WEBVTT - Ep 50: Novelist

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Evening listeners don't say we don't come at you with

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of voices. On our podcast series Last time Out.

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<v Speaker 2>On Midnight Chats, Stewart was talking to the legendary Johnny Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>a man who's released over a dozen albums in the

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years that he's been making music. My guest tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Kojo Cancum, otherwise known as Novelist, has made just one

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're comparing their two experiences, they're not just

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<v Speaker 2>generations but really worlds apart. Novelists might only just be

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<v Speaker 2>starting out, but for me, what he's got to say

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<v Speaker 2>is just as interesting if you don't know his story.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a twenty one year old rapper and producer from Lewisham,

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<v Speaker 2>South London, started making music in his mid teens and

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<v Speaker 2>in the past has collaborated with the likes of Mum Dance,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie xx Bauer, Major Laser. He was on a track

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<v Speaker 2>on the most recent Skeptic album as well, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a few years in the making. But back in

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<v Speaker 2>April he put out his debut album, Novelist Guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't what I was expecting. At all the UK

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<v Speaker 2>rap or grime record that has an almost universally positive

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<v Speaker 2>message in it. It's refreshing, so check it out if

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't already. Back at the start of main Novelist

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<v Speaker 2>came into our office in East London to record this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation and as you're about to hear, he's both really

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<v Speaker 2>polite and self assured, not in a cocky way, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the fact that he has conviction in what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing and saying. And we talked about a load of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>including the rise in violent crime in London in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been well documented, but as someone who spent

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<v Speaker 2>time as Lewisham's young mayor and also been a victim

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<v Speaker 2>of violent crime in the past, we spoke a bit

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<v Speaker 2>about that His track Stopped Killing the Mandem has become

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of unofficial protest anthem for that ongoing issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Novelist Guy was made by himself, released on his own label,

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<v Speaker 2>and his mum is his manager, so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>know a bit more about mixing family and business and

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<v Speaker 2>whether that works out for him, and also just a

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<v Speaker 2>bit about his aspirations. His faith plays a huge role

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<v Speaker 2>in his life. As you're hearing this, but he's also

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<v Speaker 2>got an eye on some big future prizes that he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to go for, so I hope he makes it there.

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<v Speaker 2>Just finally, some news about us. This is episode fifty

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<v Speaker 2>of Midnight Chats. I can't quite believe that, But after

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<v Speaker 2>this one, we're going to take a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>break to record a bunch of new episodes over the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll then be back with a new episode, not every fortnight,

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<v Speaker 2>but every single week for what will be series six

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<v Speaker 2>of Midnight Chats. You'll hear from us then, But in

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<v Speaker 2>the meantime, it's my pleasure to welcome novelist onto Midnight Chats. Novelists,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to our podcast, Midnight Chat. It's good to have

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<v Speaker 2>you on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's nice to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here after an uncharacteristically warm Bank holiday in London. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you get up to? Were busy this weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? This weekend?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I was in Mortar, Oh nice on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>More on a Friday, come back on the Saturday. No,

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<v Speaker 4>actually no, I was a more on a Saturday, come

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<v Speaker 4>back on the Sunday, And on Sunday I went to

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<v Speaker 4>church yesterday kind of just children, my boy and Shortitch

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<v Speaker 4>the easy one.

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<v Speaker 2>With that part of the Animac festival year he went

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<v Speaker 2>out for that. How was that experience?

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<v Speaker 4>It was lovely, man like. It was the first time

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<v Speaker 4>me Pa and some of those songs from the album

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<v Speaker 4>in a festival environment kind of call to test around

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<v Speaker 4>them and see how people reacted, and it was smashing.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get any times to get an impression of

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<v Speaker 2>Malta as a place.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't really have long there, but when I was

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<v Speaker 4>traveling to the festival and to the hotel et cetera,

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<v Speaker 4>was looking around and this place looks quite different to

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of everywhere else, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I've not been that far.

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<v Speaker 2>So sometimes on this podcast we don't get around to

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<v Speaker 2>chatting about the artists that we're speaking to their new music.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually, for this one, I want to start right there.

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<v Speaker 2>We start with a novelist, Guy, which is your debut album,

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<v Speaker 2>which you brought out just a few weeks ago. How

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<v Speaker 2>have you felt about the reception to that album.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been perfect, Yeah, it's been absolutely perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone kind of exactly as you had it in

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<v Speaker 2>your in your imagination.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, because my fans they're very about me.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I'm saying. I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really feel like I have a pop fan base.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a fan base that really know about my music.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've also found that a lot of different groups

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<v Speaker 4>of people who are never would expect to like, pay

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<v Speaker 4>interest to my music. They're saying, yeah, novelist, this is great,

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<v Speaker 4>getting me through the day, getting me through my unicorse,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the kind of stuff that I like, the

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<v Speaker 4>small things, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's been really good.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've had people sharing their first time listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the album, their personal experience is telling you their favorite track.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all been great, man, Okay, yeah, all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the best one? As anybody said, I work in

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<v Speaker 2>Tesco and I've heard it like you know, or it's

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<v Speaker 2>my soundtrack to my drive to college or things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of personal stories of people.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite one?

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously I'm youth myself, so I mean, I'm twenty one now,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm kind of edging. But someone said it got

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<v Speaker 4>them through their dissertation, and I thought, yeah, that's cool, man,

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<v Speaker 4>because if my music's actually helping you get through something,

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to take you to the next stage in

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<v Speaker 4>your life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's quite impactful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I've had a few wild ones, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but that's the simpler ones are my favorite ones, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The album starts as the track called Start. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds the same, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When I listened to the record for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really the whole thing feels very motivational, very positive,

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<v Speaker 2>very honest. Yeah, and that track almost encapsulates that, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>tell us a little bit about why you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>start the album with that song and how that almost

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<v Speaker 2>acts as a theme for the album.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was Actually it's funny because when I was

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<v Speaker 4>making that song, yeah, I just I wasn't in the

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<v Speaker 4>best place of my life. But it's like that, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like God downloaded it to me. That's a literal downloading.

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<v Speaker 2>It appeared this message.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's like it just came through me, man.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I was just making it, it just felt

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<v Speaker 4>really good to make a beat that sounded like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the lyrics are just coming incrementally, just coming

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<v Speaker 4>out boom boom, thinking to myself, Yeah, I really like this,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I just listen to it a few times,

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<v Speaker 4>A few times. I wrote the lyrics before I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>the chorus. I think, I think that's how it went there.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I just remember writing to myself, when you

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<v Speaker 4>get the chance, start putting your money in the future.

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<v Speaker 4>Start at the songs about investing in yourself and being positive,

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<v Speaker 4>actually being aware of the good things. And I put

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<v Speaker 4>birds song that you might hear some chirping in the song,

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<v Speaker 4>and I put that in the song just to like

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<v Speaker 4>give it that morning Phiel. And you know when you

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<v Speaker 4>wake up, if you play start when you wake up,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like a good start to your day, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you start with almost manifesto for the album?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's kind of packed with the messages along the

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<v Speaker 2>lines of your self love, their motivational there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know you act as a kind of inspiring force

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<v Speaker 2>on it. Was that? Is that just how the collection

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<v Speaker 2>of songs that you wrote came together? Or did you

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<v Speaker 2>sit down and go I want this album to be

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of positive experience for people.

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<v Speaker 4>Listening a mixture of both, because some of the songs

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<v Speaker 4>I've had from before and I re recorded them and

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<v Speaker 4>tailored them to a more positive message just through me

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<v Speaker 4>becoming more mature in life. So my opinions on certain

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<v Speaker 4>things kind of got a bit more understanding. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I am the manifesto in itself, do

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. And I'm a man of

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<v Speaker 4>faith as well, So my whole life, I've always believed

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<v Speaker 4>in God and love and positivity. But obviously circumstance, he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't always keep your attention on the things that you

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<v Speaker 4>care about, you know what I'm saying. So I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to like really implement as my foundation and debut album,

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<v Speaker 4>Who I Really Am, more so than any other thing,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's a reference point to yourself. Also, I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>like when I listen to my music on this album,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't cringe at it at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoy it. I'm really happy.

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<v Speaker 4>And I hope that all the children that grow up

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<v Speaker 4>on this music, all the all the people who listen

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<v Speaker 4>to it can relate to it because love, peace and

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<v Speaker 4>power and having a collected mind, that's something that everybody

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<v Speaker 4>in life wants, so what I'm saying, So it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of universal in that sense, and I believe that God

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<v Speaker 4>himself is universal. So that's why I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 4>the album in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Because your faith is like a reoccurring theme on the record. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was important that that played the fundamental And

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<v Speaker 2>then that feels like the foundation of it almost. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that fair to.

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<v Speaker 4>Say, yeah, because that's that's actually who I am. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not like obviously your life we go through what we

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<v Speaker 4>go through. You can't help where you're born or you

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<v Speaker 4>know how people treat you. But you can always decide

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<v Speaker 4>to want to be a better personal or like show

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<v Speaker 4>the best of yourself. So that's what I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>do with my album.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's released on your own label. Yeah, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much all you, right, I mean, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>your complete word them. Do you have like a producers

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<v Speaker 2>it worked with you? Because there's not. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>you brought in any There's no big guest spots or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like this. It feels like this is a statement

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<v Speaker 2>about who novelist is, who you are, that you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of starting out intention Why was it important that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a record made by you, released by you, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of controlled by you? You know, like, why is it

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<v Speaker 2>important to do all of those things?

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to be the purest version of myself and

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<v Speaker 4>creative control. I don't even like that saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it comes with that whole like stigma to someone being

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<v Speaker 4>like bossy, but nah, like I'm able, And I've always

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<v Speaker 4>known that I was able from I was a young child.

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<v Speaker 4>Before I even made an album, I always wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>produce my own album just to show, like I believe

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<v Speaker 4>sound can show you where someone's heart is. Like regardless

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<v Speaker 4>of what lyrics are put on, someone can make an

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<v Speaker 4>instrumental and you really know where they was in their

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<v Speaker 4>life at that time. So I wanted I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>have that aspect of it. Then my personalities, who like,

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<v Speaker 4>the music itself is the soul of me and my

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<v Speaker 4>lyrics are the spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>And and God is everything else, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean people that are familiar with your journey. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been making music since you you know, early teenager yea,

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<v Speaker 2>releasing music since you were mid teens twenty one now,

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that people might have heard your name

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<v Speaker 2>or heard you appear on records, you know, for the

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<v Speaker 2>past few years and now you know it's twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>year debut albums come out. Yeah, as you already explained,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason why you took your time because you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be the purest thing it could be,

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<v Speaker 2>and it to represent you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to represent me like the truest meat that I

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<v Speaker 3>have known my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you feel did you do you have any pressure

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<v Speaker 2>from your subconscious to just try and because the music

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<v Speaker 2>industry is the pace of it's relentless, right. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>hear a new name, they want to hear they want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear music right then, they want new music all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. They want they want to be reading interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to be There's this kind of like rush culture,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. I want everything now?

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<v Speaker 3>So did you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Any hesitation about just taking your time and delivering it

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<v Speaker 2>when it was right or did you.

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<v Speaker 4>Just I've never had that hesitation. I more had irritation

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<v Speaker 4>at people not understanding that they told me how I

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<v Speaker 4>should do anything. Because you know that my faith is

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<v Speaker 4>not in the wisdom of people, like my faith in

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<v Speaker 4>myself and my faith in God is not. Someone might

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<v Speaker 4>not ever be able to comprehend that. So you just

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<v Speaker 4>have to look and observe what I'm doing. But they

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<v Speaker 4>told me to put an album now because everyone's talking

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<v Speaker 4>about me. Everyone's going to talk about me when I

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<v Speaker 4>put out that album.

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<v Speaker 2>Just looking at it from the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really happy that I took my time and that

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<v Speaker 4>my mom is my manager as well, which has really

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<v Speaker 4>been great working with my mum, especially in this season

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<v Speaker 4>and of my life. My brother he produces for me

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<v Speaker 4>with me. He's shown me a lot. I've showed him

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<v Speaker 4>a lot. A lot of the stuff that I'm doing

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<v Speaker 4>is within my household. So for me, this is the

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<v Speaker 4>best time that I could have put out my album. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and even within my soul, I'm just at

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<v Speaker 4>peace in my life, in every aspect of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows that being part of a family unit, there

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<v Speaker 2>are always ups and downs. I remember very well during

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<v Speaker 2>my older brother and there were good times and they

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<v Speaker 2>were not so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just.

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<v Speaker 2>The way family life works. But when you when you

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<v Speaker 2>work so intensely with close family on a project that's

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<v Speaker 2>very close to your heart, there the frictions that come

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<v Speaker 2>from that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah argument, I mean, I mean, the times are done

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<v Speaker 4>for me because it's all about a decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, true love.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah is like even when you're at sometimes you just

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<v Speaker 4>back down because you may realize that you know this person,

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<v Speaker 4>they're not. They can't see it from the angle that

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<v Speaker 4>I can see it. So even if you're at your

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<v Speaker 4>love surpasses that, you know what I'm saying. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>like we don't really have points to prove anymore. It's

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<v Speaker 4>more about just getting everything done.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you separate those things? A lot of people would

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<v Speaker 2>think of it as business and personal. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>merging those two things together. So do you find yourself

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<v Speaker 2>sat at the dinner table, sat watching TV, and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>your brother says hey, I oh, your mum says hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to reply to this email did somebody

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<v Speaker 2>send or do you mind that those two worlds are

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<v Speaker 2>basically so tightly laced?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it's fun. Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not you know, like it's easy to think of

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<v Speaker 4>the worst because we know that that's the circumstance that

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<v Speaker 4>a lot people were going through on a day to

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<v Speaker 4>day basis. But me, myself and me and my people, like,

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<v Speaker 4>we know what the mission is, so there's no confusion,

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<v Speaker 4>Like confusion is not allowed to enter.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Is one of the benefits of having your mother as

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<v Speaker 2>your manager, knowing that your mom's always going to have

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<v Speaker 2>your best interests at heart.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the sole benefit. That is the biggest benefit man.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the greatest things is just seeing my

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<v Speaker 4>mom just travel go to different places.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you mind me asking what did she do before

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<v Speaker 2>she was managing you?

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<v Speaker 4>She's always worked with young women. Yeah, she used to

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<v Speaker 4>work in a women's hostel in Lewisham, and so she's

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<v Speaker 4>always mentored young women. Love young people. I remember even

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<v Speaker 4>when I was in primary school, my mom would come

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<v Speaker 4>and do assemblies and you know, like like teach the

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<v Speaker 4>history of different cultures and you know, just like she

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<v Speaker 4>just loves young people. So her being in this field,

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<v Speaker 4>she knows most of the MC's.

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<v Speaker 3>That are my age. Yeah, they've been in and out

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<v Speaker 3>of my house and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do they is your mom? Like, will presume

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<v Speaker 2>that she's a very kind of respected figure in.

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<v Speaker 4>That Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never really had

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<v Speaker 4>anyone other than people who completely don't know me, and

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<v Speaker 4>never no one's ever really that dissed my mom or

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<v Speaker 4>anything like that. People people in my whole borough, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been a community person from the jump, So my

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<v Speaker 4>borough knows my mom virtually, you know, I'm saying they

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<v Speaker 4>were yes, mommy, how you doing, Mommy right, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 4>my mom's character.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Feel like even in the field of music, when she

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<v Speaker 4>meets the artists, it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Really, she's a real mum.

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<v Speaker 2>What about your friends, your family, your your friends from

0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:53.360
<v Speaker 2>church for example, that is everybody. You must take great

0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.760
<v Speaker 2>pride and I imagine the support there is huge, Like

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<v Speaker 2>people really proud the fact that you're off to play

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<v Speaker 2>festivals in Malta or you know, go and play you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these notable gigs.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a very covert person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they don't even know that you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, some some people do, some people don't. But I

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<v Speaker 4>believe in them. That discretion will preserve any person, you

0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.800
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. So it's not it's not a

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<v Speaker 4>thing of like hiding. But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>let's let people find out things naturally for themselves and

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<v Speaker 4>because that's when you truly see who people are, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't shout from the top of the hills. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>My album just came up. Like, that's not my angle, man,

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<v Speaker 4>Just keep it natural, keep it smooth. Maybe I know

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<v Speaker 4>there's people in my borrow who've known me my whole life,

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<v Speaker 4>and they don't know that I do music.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, because they'll judge you for just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being cojo that they see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And I love it when people call me by my

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<v Speaker 4>name because it reminds me that I'm a normal guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It just has extraordinary experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And also I'm in a generation of people who like

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<v Speaker 4>the generation that I'm in. Everyone wants to have one

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<v Speaker 4>one up on someone else. Like I say everyone, not everyone,

0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.879
<v Speaker 4>but a big range of people. They want to have

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<v Speaker 4>one up on each other. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>be a part of that. I want people to see

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<v Speaker 4>me and feel comfortable to talk to me, knowing that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to like kind of steize on them,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. I want people to feel

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<v Speaker 4>like they can approach me. I don't want them to

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<v Speaker 4>feel like, oh, yeah, novelist is up there and I'm here,

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<v Speaker 4>so I can't even talk to him how normally would

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<v Speaker 4>because that's confusion.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's important to be humble and approachable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, why not. I mean, it's the best thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to hear you talk about it because I

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<v Speaker 2>get the sense that music is your passion, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>also you have enough self confidence and like a support

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<v Speaker 2>around you from family and friends that you get the

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<v Speaker 2>sense that if you weren't doing music and say twenty

0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.720
<v Speaker 2>years time, everything will be all right. Yeah, some people

0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:09.400
<v Speaker 2>live through the fear of failing. It feels like you're

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<v Speaker 2>not You're not at all. You don't you're not worried

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>An option I don't like it says, Yeah, there's a

0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 4>Bible verse that says God has not giving us the

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<v Speaker 4>spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that I don't connect with fear. Actually, if

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<v Speaker 4>I start to feel any fear, I literally reject it

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<v Speaker 4>on a spot like I'm not connected with this. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't a really like, I'm not coming into agreement with

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<v Speaker 4>that feeling because that's not what I want for myself.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, when I look into the future, I see exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what I want, and that's how it's going to go,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's how I want it to go, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. You gotta look at it. Let's look

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 4>at from a physical sense. Here, say there's a green

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 4>bush to your left and a fire to your right,

0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.720
<v Speaker 4>I say a green bush. Let's say there's a farm

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<v Speaker 4>to your left and a family to al right. Whatever

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.840
<v Speaker 4>side you face and stare at is the direction you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to go in, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not onlooking at I don't focus on the things

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<v Speaker 4>that I don't want to focus on what I do want.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are the simple things that get you to where

0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.720
<v Speaker 4>you want to be very simple, but you have to

0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.399
<v Speaker 4>sit down and actually consider them.

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<v Speaker 2>We've spoken about how people have received the album from

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<v Speaker 2>like a fans perspective, perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Press is kind of cast you as like a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a spokesperson for people of your generation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing I do feel about that.

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<v Speaker 4>People are gonna put me in whatever box they they

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<v Speaker 4>put me in. I'll just leave that in God's hand.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel cool, like I know what I'm trying to

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.400
<v Speaker 4>do and I can speak confidently about what I'm trying

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.480
<v Speaker 4>to do. So as long as as long as I'm

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<v Speaker 4>never afraid of my own voice, which I'll never be,

0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 4>does it Like it's not that it doesn't matter what

0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:02.400
<v Speaker 4>people say, but like I'm sure that people ever get

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.520
<v Speaker 4>the right idea or the wrong idea. People's only going

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 4>to get the wrong idea if I give it to them,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you see a trap like stop killing the man,

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<v Speaker 2>then being like embraced is almost this sort of positive

0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>like a protest anthem. Yeah, are you just you embrace

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:18.560
<v Speaker 2>it as a good thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You know this is this is useful.

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<v Speaker 4>This is useful, Like it has a purpose. Every song

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<v Speaker 4>on my album has a purpose. There's nothing that I

0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.360
<v Speaker 4>say that's not intentional. You know, you see the whole

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<v Speaker 4>let's talk about stocking the mandum for a second. That

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<v Speaker 4>how that song came about was natural. That naturally occurred

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.639
<v Speaker 4>because in twenty sixteen, I remember there was a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of mass shootings on black men in the US, and

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.720
<v Speaker 4>people over here decided to do a protest. Now I

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.360
<v Speaker 4>didn't even know that protest was going down when it happened,

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<v Speaker 4>but I saw on the day, like I was on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 4>I see people saying that the march is.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to happen. Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>I was at rinse Fem at the time. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>in the building and there's like a spray paint shop

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.119
<v Speaker 4>right next to where their office is. So I just

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.679
<v Speaker 4>got like some paper spray painted stop killing a man them,

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<v Speaker 4>because like everyone in London understands the slang, you know

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.760
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, So I just sprayed it on there

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<v Speaker 4>went there. I went there as a civilian, didn't go

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<v Speaker 4>there as novelist, when there just as a black bay

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<v Speaker 4>who just not really feeling all this murder stuff. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's not even just the police brutality. That's I'm talking

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<v Speaker 4>about on the road level as well, Like where I

0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.159
<v Speaker 4>grew up, I've been stabbed myself and been through a

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<v Speaker 4>whole lot of stuff, so it's like I understand the

0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.600
<v Speaker 4>dynamics of how something can turn not to one hundred

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.600
<v Speaker 4>where some people don't. So anyway, I wrote stop killing

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<v Speaker 4>a mandum on the thing. That picture just went viral

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.119
<v Speaker 4>man like naturally, which is like I said, in the

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<v Speaker 4>hands of God. I couldn't have done that myself. So

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.639
<v Speaker 4>that went viral. And then one day I was just

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<v Speaker 4>in my room thinking, you know what, I've got a

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<v Speaker 4>voice like.

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<v Speaker 3>I make music. This is the gift I was given

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<v Speaker 3>so I might say something.

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<v Speaker 4>And the promotion of the messages promoted itself like it's

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 4>done it itself already. Anyway, so if I had, if

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 4>I had an audio to what's already been out there,

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 4>people's going to connect the dots and be like, Okay, cool,

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 4>this is really a real thing that's going on in

0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 4>the world that we need to stop killing a manum

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh it's the same guy at the protest. Oh, he

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.200
<v Speaker 4>produced it himself, Like, you know what I'm saying. It's

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 4>not about me, but don't understand that this is a

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<v Speaker 4>real concern coming from a real guy from a real place.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. So that's why I made

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 4>the song. And hopefully whoever it may concern, one day

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 4>someone hears the song, they're going out with their knife,

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 4>they put they put the knife down because they think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, really and truly, because you can't stop

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 4>anyone from doing anything, but you can influence. So so

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm using my influence for possible good because if I

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 4>don't give the option in the first place, then it

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 4>hasn't been given. So you have to put it out there,

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:01.160
<v Speaker 4>leaving people's hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, there's been plenty of headlines this year about the

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 2>serious crime that's been in London. Yeah you've been you know,

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 2>you already mentioned you know you've experienced the violence. You've

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>experienced the violence, yeah, very much, the negative side of that.

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So there aren't any simple answers are there.

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.679
<v Speaker 3>That's what people don't get, Like there's those simple answers.

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

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<v Speaker 4>The only thing you can do is shroud it with positivity,

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 4>kill it, kill it with positivity, because you know, if

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 4>you don't do that, then what are you doing. You're

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 4>ever adding fuel to the fire or you're throwing water

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 4>on it. And that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 4>So I'm just trying to do my bit. I don't

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.119
<v Speaker 4>think I'm those superhero or nothing. I leave that in

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 4>the hands of Jesus.

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 3>That's me. But I still got my voice.

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.360
<v Speaker 2>And it is frustrating when you see some of those

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>negative things being attributed to certain communities or certain genres

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 2>of music, then that just feels like you're making a

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>connection that you're just looking for this blame culture, isn't it.

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.719
<v Speaker 2>It's looking for something that for example, like you know,

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 2>London drill rap for example, has been singled out by

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 2>certain publications as being an influence on some of the

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 2>serious crime.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you think, you think it probably is an influence,

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>but it's not the only reason, is it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's not because it's been it's been happening. It

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 4>is an influence same way, Like the same way if

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 4>if if the only things they showed on TV was

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.439
<v Speaker 4>horror movies, that's what would be in the minds of people.

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 4>So you know, like we can't we can't completely say

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 4>that it has no part to play. It is influencing

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 4>some of the young GE's. Like some of the young youths,

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.160
<v Speaker 4>they're dumb, they're not they're not intelligent yet, Like they

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 4>need to grow up a bit, Like people go through

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.880
<v Speaker 4>things that make them more intelligent. But if what you're

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 4>feeding them, or if what they they're in love with

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 4>is violence and that's what's what they're hearing all the time,

0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 4>that's what's going to be on their mind, you know

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. And then they capture the spirit of

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 4>fair because they don't want to die. But they they're

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 4>addicted to like that whole lifestyle, not understanding the dynamics

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 4>of that lifestyle because most of them mate really from it.

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 4>Like some of them have got really good backgrounds, but

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.479
<v Speaker 4>it's their boy who has got a crazy background who

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 4>they're rolling with all the time, but somehow they getting them.

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 4>That's theother one who gets killed. And this is how

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 4>it goes. But it's better that people focus on things

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 4>that's going to elevate their life and than not regardless

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 4>of whether it's music, whether it's the media, whether it's

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 4>who they're hanging with.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 4>There's there's all types of influence, but for people to

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:40.639
<v Speaker 4>single out a genre and say it's only this, I

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 4>think that's stupid about talk about some of the policies

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 4>that are out that make the community a certain way. Like,

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 4>there's all kind of we could all put our fingers

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 4>at a million different things, but what's the point in

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 4>doing that when we could put our finger at the solution?

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean to take it back to the music. The

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>as I already said, the album focuses on a positive message. Yeah,

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 2>so to connect those two things. Have you spoken to

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>people that have listened to your music that have said

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 2>it's had a posit positive influence on my life And

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to choose this path rather than this path,

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully this one's like less destructive than this one.

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, for you is that vindication of doing like

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 2>the right thing and also a powerful thing to hear

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>back from your listenership.

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's nice to hear, man, it's nice to hear.

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 4>It's really nice to hear. It's fulfilling if one person,

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 4>even if it's one person out of the whole scape

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 4>of the whole world, decides that, you know what, I'm

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 4>going to live my life different in a better way

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 4>because I've taken on this message that that I'll feel

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 4>happy because one soul is priceless. You know what I'm saying.

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 4>I don't want no one to die. I don't want

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 4>no one to to not understand how to govern their money.

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't want people to live the lesser life. I

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 4>want everyone to live the better life. And that's what

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 4>my album is about. It's also about how and self respect,

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 4>self confidence, having respect for others, knowing what to expect,

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 4>like from putting in your own work.

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 3>I've got a song on there.

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 4>Called Wait Wait Wait, which is talking about like people

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 4>kind of just like standing next to you to lead

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 4>off of you. So I put that mentality out there

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 4>of like look after your own stuff and knowing it

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 4>getting what they don't deserve, which is not selfish.

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 3>That is actually right.

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 4>We're supposed to protect our own, but we're also supposed

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 4>to be very given as well and charitable and love people.

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 4>So it's a balance of having a steadfast mind and

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 4>be in control of yourself as a person, and anyone

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 4>who takes on those messages hopefully it's a catalyst to

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 4>them becoming a better version of themselves.

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>It's been often said that you are a young man

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>with a wise sort of head on your shoulders. It's

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>the thing that I kept reading before we met up today.

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>And how do you take that as a compliment, because

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, it does feel like in your you know,

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>relatively short twenty one years, that you've experienced a lot

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>that it makes it's a really mature record, really mature

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>album to have made it twenty one, I think, because

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty one I was still really just not figuring out

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 2>things that are on the level that you are. And

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that's a compliment, by the way.

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you, thank you.

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you how I take it, and I talk

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 4>about God a lot, but I have to credit it

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 4>back to God because when I was young, I read

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 4>a story in the Bible about King Solomon, and he

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 4>was the king of Israel at the time. I remember

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.959
<v Speaker 4>this story he asked, He actually asked God for wisdom

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 4>and understanding, and that never that never ever left me.

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 4>So I always used to pray to God, to God,

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 4>I need wisdom. I wanted to dwell on having wisdom.

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm not.

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 3>The wise this guy. I've made some mistakes that I

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>was saying.

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 4>But when people told me that wires and et cetera,

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 4>it's like a confirmation that God is doing a work

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 4>in me, that all the things that I really desired

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 4>from my heart I'm receiving. Because I've always wanted to

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 4>be wise, not for not for my own self glorification,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 4>but why not be wise in this earth? It's better

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 4>that you be wise than unwise. That's that's wisdom in itself,

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 4>and and and you know that that's the truth. So

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 4>I just pray. I've always prayed for wisdom the beginning.

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 4>The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 4>That's what I believe.

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 3>So these are the things that I focus on on

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 3>a daily basis.

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 2>This album obviously was rooted at home, but did take

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you to other places like Abbey Roade Studios, the famous

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Abbi Rode studios. But am I right in thinking that

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>when you were working there, the whole sort of the

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the musical history of the place was not what you

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>were most impressed with. You actually just found the people there,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere was okay. Tell us a bit more about

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>what that experience was like.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 4>How how I came into contact with Abby Road. Here

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 4>was I made a song with a friend of mine,

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 4>uncle j d Reid, and this song was called Ready,

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 4>and he he made me revocal the song at the

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 4>Abbey Road studios. They opened a studio called the Gatehouse.

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like a.

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 4>Separate part, but I met I met a man called

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 4>Mark Robertson at Abbey Road, lovely person. He stuck with

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 4>me the whole way. I've met my engineer Gordon, lovely

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 4>guy as well, and I just remembered thinking to myself,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 4>I need to come back and do some stuff with

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 4>these dudes. So once I got working on my album,

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 4>I mixed it down to the best of my ability.

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 4>I just called up Abby Road and said, yeah, I want,

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 4>I want to book a few sessions and we only

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 4>ended up using I booked four days in the studio.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 4>We only ended up using three of the days because Gordon,

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 4>basically he said to Gordon, who's the engineer. He said

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 4>to me, I've basically done all the work, like there's

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 4>not much left to say.

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to give you another day. I'll be

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>ripping you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're done.

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 4>And a man, a man called Alex Alex mastered the

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 4>album as well. Lovely guy man. They're just sweet people

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 4>in there. Their relationship with my mum is like unbreakable

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 4>because it's really personal. Everything's just like so much love.

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 4>So you know, when I go there, I'm going for

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 4>the people and the staff that they're like, even even

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 4>the bartender in the in the canteen, Dave, lovely guy.

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. I'll give you so much

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 4>shout outs right there. I just got love for for

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 4>for all the people when I go in there. They're

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 4>really receptive. And it wasn't a freebie or anything like that.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 4>It was a business transaction. But the business relationship is

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 4>amazing because the people are amazing and we're cool.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>It's refreshing to hear that because there are definitely artists

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>that I've spoken to before who feel the weight and

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>the pressure of the space the building. The cliche goes

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>that musical history is oozing out of the walls. You know,

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 2>all the people that have recorded over there, obviously famous,

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>made famous by the Beatles and everything else. But it's

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 2>nice just to hear that your experience was kind of

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>removed from that almost It wasn't. That wasn't the important thing.

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 3>I went there to put their studio, bro that was it.

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 4>Like like, like, I respect the history, but I'm not

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 4>a madman, so I'm not going in there being overwhelmed.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 3>But it's not that like I'm saying.

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 4>I've was even having a little joke, like I've heard

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 4>these guys that's gone there, that kissed the.

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Floor and all of that stuff. That's not going to do.

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Anything for me, you know, pictures of the wall and

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the toilets and stuff away with this, yeah, piece of history.

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like that's not that doesn't do anything for me.

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm a very simple man, you know what I mean.

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 4>Let me pay for my session, un let's have fun

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 4>doing it and then end results, you know what I mean.

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 4>But it's been really special because of the history and

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 4>because of how important this album is to people. It

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 4>kind of goes hand in hand with the whole Abbey Road.

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 4>So hopefully in the future I might be one of

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 4>them dudes that people are like, yeah, novelists recorded there.

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I hope. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's a special moment for any artist to release

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<v Speaker 2>the debut album because you only ever get to do

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<v Speaker 2>that once. Yeah, and so do you feel like you've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like fully taken on that experience and fully

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it for what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just let it be as simple as it

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<v Speaker 4>should be. I haven't thrown like crazy parties, and just

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<v Speaker 4>like because it was all about the music getting out,

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<v Speaker 4>That's what it was. And you know, sometimes when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to this stuff, everyone can make such a big

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<v Speaker 4>deal out of everything except for the actual music, Whereas

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<v Speaker 4>this time, I've tried to approach it the opposite way.

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<v Speaker 4>Let the music speak for who I am and what

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<v Speaker 4>the message is. And I'm so shocked at all the

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<v Speaker 4>different crowds, different people, different blogs, different media magazines, personalities,

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<v Speaker 4>and people that are actually just paying attention and saying

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<v Speaker 4>this is great, this is what we needed, breath of

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<v Speaker 4>fresh air. We haven't had a project like this for

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<v Speaker 4>a while. You know what I'm saying. I really love that.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's that's that's like my edification, you know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your dreams like aspirations, Like what opportunities do

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<v Speaker 2>you hope it opens up for you? Like I mean

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<v Speaker 2>in platform wise, you know, like I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 2>somebody ever dreams of like getting a BRIT Award nomination

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<v Speaker 2>or gets the opportunity to perform at the BRIT Awards

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<v Speaker 2>to make.

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<v Speaker 3>I expect that stuff. Yeah, I know, thespire for that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I expected what's on You're like, what do you expect?

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<v Speaker 3>Then?

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<v Speaker 4>I expect to with a mercury one day. I expect

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<v Speaker 4>to like you see, like the Stort Awards and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I expect to be in those places because I know

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<v Speaker 4>that my music is great and if you're, if they're,

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<v Speaker 4>if those people are saying that they handle great music,

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<v Speaker 4>then I expect to be there because that's that's what

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<v Speaker 4>my lifestyle with my music is in agreement with It's

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<v Speaker 4>in agreement with greatness and et cetera. So I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't necessarily want to list out, oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>want to do this, this and that.

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<v Speaker 3>But more more on a personal.

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<v Speaker 4>Aspiration would be to see to be in different communities

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<v Speaker 4>and have talks with people about the messages that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>trying to put out because my music is purposeful. My

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<v Speaker 4>music isn't about me or just for me. My music

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<v Speaker 4>is for everyone, for everyone to actually come together and

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<v Speaker 4>make sense. I added simple things in life. Those are

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<v Speaker 4>the things that will really, like get my blood jumping

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<v Speaker 4>that I'd love to, like, really chop it up with

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<v Speaker 4>just some different people about different stuff. That's conversation. Conversation

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<v Speaker 4>sets people free, man, you know what I mean, especially

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<v Speaker 4>when everyone's listening as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Just finally, so the album you made, it's very much

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<v Speaker 2>about you, but you have worked with other people in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. Jamie x X skeptic people like that. What's

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<v Speaker 2>next in your thought process? Debut album's done in a

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<v Speaker 2>practical sense, like now, do you want to go and

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<v Speaker 2>work on a few other projects as you're doing new things?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it like album two. I'm already focused. I've

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<v Speaker 2>already got an idea of where I want that to be.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got so many ideas. And also I've got a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of music done that's not out. I've got so

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<v Speaker 4>much songs that have not released it, So revamp some

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<v Speaker 4>of those songs, put out some songs that are ready

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<v Speaker 4>took over. As for projects, I've got many ideas. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just it just doesn't stop. It doesn't stop to the

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<v Speaker 4>casket drops and even in it don't stop.

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<v Speaker 4>as well who have the right head on their shoulders.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever I can do to be an asset to the

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<v Speaker 4>better for people while I'm on earth, That's what I'm want.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we've got any Mercury Prize judges listening needs

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