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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Back in twenty nineteen, there was a really interesting study

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Speaker 1: from the Institute for Family Studies.

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Speaker 2: You'll recall I had Brad Wilcox from the Institute on

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Speaker 2: the show a few weeks back. They do really interesting

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Speaker 2: work and they joined up with the Wheatley Institution for

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Speaker 2: a study called The Ties that Bind is Faith a

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Speaker 2: global force for good or ill in the Family. And

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Speaker 2: this study found that conservative religious couples are by far

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Speaker 2: the happiest. And you might say, oh, well, of course,

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Speaker 2: you know a study an Institute for Family Studies, they're

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Speaker 2: going to support, you know, conservative religious couples, and they're

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Speaker 2: going to bend the facts to say that they are

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Speaker 2: the happiest. But actually the second place happiest were secular

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Speaker 2: progressive couples. I didn't find that new particularly surprising, but

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Speaker 2: certain quarters, like the New York Times, were pretty shocked

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Speaker 2: that those terrible religious people could also have happy marriages.

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people on the right

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Speaker 2: were surprised to find that the progressives were in second

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Speaker 2: place to the happy marriage grouping tons of online comments

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Speaker 2: alleged at the time that religious women have no agency

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Speaker 2: and so must have been forced to amplify their happiness

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Speaker 2: for the researchers. And then other people said, oh, the

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Speaker 2: progressives are just lying about their happiness, et cetera. But

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Speaker 2: taking those numbers at face value, I thought it made

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Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And then there was the issue

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Speaker 2: of sex. The report found that those same religious conservatives

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Speaker 2: have far higher satisfaction in their sex lives and either

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Speaker 2: secular or less religious couples. Commonly held wisdom is that

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Speaker 2: the freewheeling secular people are having the best sex, but actually,

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Speaker 2: religious conservative women reported the huh highest level of sexual satisfaction,

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't even close. The researchers highlighted data that

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Speaker 2: quote two thirds of married mothers would prefer not to

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Speaker 2: work full time, a fact often overlooked in our public

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Speaker 2: conversation about work and family, which is heavily influenced by

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Speaker 2: progressive assumptions.

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Speaker 3: End quote.

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Speaker 2: What women are supposed to want and what they actually

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Speaker 2: want seem to be at odds with each other. In

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Speaker 2: the religious world, there is much less of this feminist

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Speaker 2: supposed to want. The traditional setup of the relationship with

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Speaker 2: the man as the breadwinner allows for women to be

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Speaker 2: honest when they would prefer to stay home with the children.

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Speaker 2: No one is there to tell them that they are

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Speaker 2: betraying feminism or not behaving the way women are supposed

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Speaker 2: to behave. But secular guilt over making these traditional choices

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Speaker 2: just isn't at play for them, And it makes sense

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Speaker 2: that being allowed to make these choices for yourself and

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Speaker 2: not having pushback on those choices would lead to happier marriages,

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Speaker 2: their sex lives better because they're getting what they want

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Speaker 2: from relationships. The rest of the time. There was a

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Speaker 2: you know, the several of these kinds of studies that

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Speaker 2: showed that couples had more sex when the men and

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Speaker 2: the relationship helped out with the dishes, And I think

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Speaker 2: it's less about the specific task of washing dirty dishes

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Speaker 2: and more about general relationship satisfaction, whether that means the

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Speaker 2: husband helps clean up or the wife is free to

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Speaker 2: not have a full time job. So for the same reasons,

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Speaker 2: it made sense to me that the second happiest group

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Speaker 2: in the study were the secular progressive women. A progressive

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Speaker 2: woman gets into her marriage with a certain expectation for

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Speaker 2: her role and also for that of her husband. The

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Speaker 2: conservative couple might divide their household chores along traditional gender lines.

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Speaker 2: The man takes out the garbage, the woman clears the table.

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Speaker 2: But the progressive couple will also preemptively have decided who

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Speaker 2: does what in their household. I think that this leads

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Speaker 2: to higher satisfactions despite the many outward differences between the

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Speaker 2: two groups. So there's a new Gallup study out just

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Speaker 2: very recently, I think you know a week or so ago,

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Speaker 2: that has very similar results. But when it comes to parenting,

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Speaker 2: very conservative parents have the best relationships with their children

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Speaker 2: according to this study, and very liberal parents are in

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Speaker 2: second place. The worst relationship quality is among self identified liberals,

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Speaker 2: just liberals, not very liberal, then moderates, then conservatives. I

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Speaker 2: think this follows the same reasons as the marriage studies.

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Speaker 2: Very conservative or very liberal parents lay out their expectations

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Speaker 2: for their children. We live in this there are no mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Everything is as good as everything else world, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's true. I think telling your kids what

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Speaker 2: your values are is really important, and setting expectations for

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Speaker 2: your children about their role, about your role, about how

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Speaker 2: they move through the world goes a long way toward

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Speaker 2: helping them, but also a long way toward having a

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Speaker 2: great relationship with them yourself. So tell your kids what

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Speaker 2: you really think. Don't muddle through it and give them

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Speaker 2: the middle ground. Tell them what you really believe, and

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Speaker 2: that will lead to a better relationship between you. Coming

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Speaker 2: up next an interview with Goad Sad. Join us after

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Speaker 2: the break.

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Speaker 3: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: My guest today is doctor God.

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Speaker 3: Sad God is a professor, evolutionary behavioral scientist, best selling author,

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Speaker 3: and host of the popular podcast The Sad Truth with

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Speaker 3: Doctor Sad. His latest book is The Sad Truth about Happiness,

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Speaker 3: Eight Secrets.

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Speaker 4: For Leading the Good Life. I have it right here.

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Speaker 4: So nice to have you on, Gad.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so glad to be with you, and congratulations

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Speaker 5: on the launch of your new show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: So the show is largely about how to have a

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Speaker 3: happy life, and you have a new book that's about

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Speaker 3: the eight Secrets to Happiness.

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Speaker 4: What made you write this book? Did you just want

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Speaker 4: to get on my show?

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. But in addition to that, so I

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Speaker 5: would receive two types of feedback from people in my

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Speaker 5: public engagement. So one was, hey, what's your secret to

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Speaker 5: being always so playful and fun, and you always use

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Speaker 5: humor even when you're dealing with difficult topics. What's your

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Speaker 5: secret to happiness? And so I would receive thousands of

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Speaker 5: such emails from people. And secondly, I noticed that whenever

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Speaker 5: I would post something, let's say, on Twitter, that was prescriptive,

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Speaker 5: meaning that I'm offering some advice, which oftentimes to me

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Speaker 5: seemed like rather obvious, banal stuff. You know, you know,

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Speaker 5: assume personal agency, assume personal responsibility, get off the proverbial couch.

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Speaker 5: People would write to me saying, my God, that was

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Speaker 5: so helpful to me. It really moved me, and so on.

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Speaker 5: And so that kind of made me think, well, if

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Speaker 5: people seem to trust my words, they want to know

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Speaker 5: about what leads me to be happy, maybe I could

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Speaker 5: have the audacity to write such a book, which of

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Speaker 5: course was a bit daunting at first because probably of

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Speaker 5: all topics that philosophers have covered through the millennia, none

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Speaker 5: has been as frequent as to study, you know, what

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Speaker 5: is the good life? How do you live a happy life?

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Speaker 5: And so what I try to do in the book

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Speaker 5: is take my personal experiences backed up by ancient wisdoms

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Speaker 6: Hopefully you've got a good book.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a happy person. You're a happy person.

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Speaker 3: But times are clearly tough right now, especially for US Jews.

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Speaker 3: How do you maintain cheerfulness when everything is pretty terrible?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good one. You know, it's not easy because,

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Speaker 5: as you may have noticed when some people who follow

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Speaker 5: me on social media, I've put up a few tweets

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Speaker 5: that were atypical of my usual optimistic self. In one

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Speaker 5: looking to see some optimistic angle, you know, some hopeful angle,

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Speaker 5: and yet I feel as though I'm drowning in the

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Speaker 5: feel that the West is really not open to implementing

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Speaker 5: some of the strategies that need to be implemented in

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Speaker 5: order for us to come out of this darkness. But

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Speaker 5: I still believe that truth and freedom will prevail, and so,

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Speaker 5: in an existential sense, even when it looks very dark,

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Speaker 5: and we know we have a long history of persecution,

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Speaker 5: we've always ultimately prevailed. So I still can find ways

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Speaker 4: What are some things that you're doing to kind of

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Speaker 4: spark that happiness. I'm sure you have some tips.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 5: One is that I keep engaged in the issue, even

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Speaker 5: the amount of you know, jew hatred that I've received

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Speaker 5: from Islamic sources had been an utter tsunami.

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Speaker 6: And yet you.

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Speaker 5: Know, being engaged provides you purpose and meaning. Right, I

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Speaker 5: could easily say I'm turning off Twitter. I'm not getting engaged.

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Speaker 5: I receive way too much hate. I've already done more

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Speaker 5: would make me feel, in a sense inauthentic, because we're

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Speaker 5: civilizational battle. But of course I always contextualize whatever we're

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Speaker 5: going through in a greater hole. You know, I did

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Speaker 3: I think about leaving Twitter a lot, I mean, just

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Speaker 3: negative place. But I get the living authentically by staying

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Speaker 3: A question that I ask all of my guests is

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Speaker 4: And is it solvable?

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Speaker 3: But since you're Canadian, let's do the Western world. What

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Speaker 5: It's really a combination of factors that almost I don't

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Speaker 5: want to be pessimistic, render it intractable. So of course

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Speaker 5: there's all of the parasitic ideas, which you know I

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Speaker 5: discussed not my Happiness book, but the book before that.

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Speaker 5: On the parasitic mind that have really affected our ability

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Speaker 5: parasitic thinking, right. I give the example recently of another

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Speaker 5: one of those parasitized animals. So, the wood cricket usually

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Speaker 5: the wood cricket to jump in water in order to

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Speaker 6: So the wood.

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Speaker 5: Cricket happily and merrily commits suicide to serve the interest

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Speaker 5: of the hairworm. Well, that's called Anna Epstein, the woman

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Speaker 5: who at Boston University, a Jewish woman was pulling down

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Speaker 5: thinking has infested the West. So that's one problem. Coupled

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Speaker 5: with that is the fact that the open immigration policy

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Speaker 5: That's not good. And then you don't have the willpower

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Speaker 5: It really is in my DNA. But the further I

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Speaker 4: Doctor Sad, I love talking to you.

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Speaker 3: I could keep this going forever, but let's end with

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Speaker 5: Don't get mired in my opic things. Whether you love

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Speaker 5: Every moment is precious. Enjoy life. It's truly magical.

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Speaker 6: He is Get said.

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Speaker 3: His book is The Sad Truth about Happiness Aid Secrets

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Speaker 3: for leading the Good Life. Check it out, buy it

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Speaker 3: wherever you buy your books, and listen to his amazing podcast.

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Speaker 4: I love having you on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: to you soon.

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