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Speaker 2: I know it's incredibly disappointing now, and look candidly, it's

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Speaker 3: And tonight we're getting some new details about that Trump

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Speaker 3: We are told that when Trudeau told President elect Trump

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Speaker 3: to him that if Canada can't survive without ripping off

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Speaker 1: We went the carrying and the sense of joy.

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Speaker 2: I know it's incredibly disappointing now and look candidly, I

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Speaker 4: President Trump looked at that at the Taliban leader and

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Speaker 4: said this, I want to leave Afghanistan, but it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a conditions based withdrawal and translator translated, and

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Speaker 4: he said, if you harm a hair on a single American,

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Speaker 1: And translator goes, and Trump goes, tell me that.

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Speaker 4: What I said, reached in his pocket, pulled out a

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Speaker 5: I hate to interrupt the wall to wall coverage of

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Speaker 5: Guy with law background, what do you think, Uh, Harvey

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Speaker 5: with TMZ, You're such a reputable person. What do you think?

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Speaker 5: And then we all do the handwringing because we need,

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Speaker 5: We just want you to know we just this is

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Speaker 5: tell you that. And we would like to welcome to

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Speaker 1: But uh, but.

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Speaker 5: But I know you know absolutely nothing about this case

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Speaker 5: other than all the other guests we've had on in

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Speaker 5: the pure conjecture and speculation, but based on your experience,

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Speaker 5: what do you think about this case, Bob? But what

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Speaker 5: Uh uh Samantha, Samantha, and you are there on the ground.

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Speaker 1: To get his ass beat because we've mounted a grasp

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Speaker 1: bear's campaign. But what about another states? Please clap, please,

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Speaker 5: Consistently in every single poll, the Attorney General of Texas

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Speaker 5: Ken Paxton is leading the field by varying degrees. The

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Speaker 6: Morning, Thanks for having me on. And I think that's true.

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Speaker 5: I think it was Politico that referred to burning money,

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Speaker 5: But it turns out that if you're selling crap to

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Speaker 6: What happened, So you hit it right. We've been investigating

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Speaker 6: They're going to pay sixty eight million dollars. At least

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Speaker 6: twenty million of that can be allocated to law enforcement efforts.

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Speaker 6: They're going to have to build a law enforcement center

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Speaker 6: plot They're going to have to freeze plotting for several years.

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Speaker 6: There's going to be a requirement that these people identify

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Speaker 6: You know, I was surprised. I was surprised by a

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Speaker 1: And as long as I can remember, it was dirty.

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Speaker 5: It really stunk, and I know that at the activist level,

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Speaker 5: In the George P. Bush campaign, this is about knocking

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Speaker 1: This was about I've seen this game.

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Speaker 1: And yet here we are. Here we are.

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Speaker 5: They smeared you, and here we are and the base

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Speaker 6: Now, by the grace of God, I'm here and the

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Speaker 6: I'm just grateful that I was able to survive that

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Speaker 5: It's interesting how many people support Cornyan who try to

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Speaker 1: The voter of the state of Texas.

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Speaker 5: And in this case, you've been able with your record

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Speaker 5: Bell.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, thank you for holding. How are you, dear?

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yes, I you talk about Will Hawkins and

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Speaker 5: Vals Yeah, that's the way it ought to be, you

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Speaker 5: I've sent him, I've sent people who needed he's been

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Speaker 5: For those of you who don't know, Will Hawkins grew

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Speaker 7: I taught in Alvin i SD at Harvey Junior Heights,

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Speaker 7: No, I am retired. I retired after forty years in education,

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Speaker 7: At Alan in Alvin? It was in nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 7: I think we came to Alvin.

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Speaker 5: You're not, Belle Naphagar Sanchez, are you. Yes, they named

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Belle.

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Speaker 6: Is there. But but did you.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, people were so good to you for

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Speaker 5: absolute adoration and admiration. I'd name a school for Junior

439
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 5: Hardy and Alice Martin Belle Napalgar.

440
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: Sanchez Elementary School, Roman. How about that? How cool is that?

441
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 7: That's a really it is, It's special. I was out

442
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 7: there yesterday. I always check with the teachers to see

443
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 7: what kind of supplies they're needing, and I just go

444
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 7: out and get them and deliver. And so yesterday I

445
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 7: delivered pencils and plato for Ms Martinez and Miss Boyer.

446
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: Y'all got a bunch of Hispanic names down there, Yes,

447
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: we do.

448
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 7: We do. We're like forty percent Hispanic in this area.

449
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 7: At the college and the school district made a little

450
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 7: higher than that.

451
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: What kind of name is Naphagar?

452
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 7: Well, what it is is my dad was born in Blanco,

453
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 7: Texas and our name was really not very hot in

454
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 7: a V E J A R, which means to navigate.

455
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 7: But in Blanco they changed it to Nafagar and Daddy

456
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 7: never changed it back.

457
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Do they say Blanco or Blanco?

458
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 7: I say blank, I say blanco, me too. I go

459
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 7: back and forth, but.

460
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I think there they say blanco.

461
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 5: It's kind of one of those kind of one of

462
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 5: those old white, you know, farmer kind of It's it's

463
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 5: funny because because the English are the same way the

464
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 5: English would say Indian words like sab, which means sir,

465
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 5: they would say sahib because they see it written and

466
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 5: they're going to say it the way they would to say.

467
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 5: Hold on just a moment, hold on this moment, just

468
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 5: to say the word, and I'll throw a plug out.

469
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: We got a call.

470
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 5: Wait, the phone lines were lit up, and we got

471
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 5: a call from a woman that ramone who takes the calls.

472
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: Even though the calls are coming in fast and furious.

473
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: There are people that he would just spot and go, oh,

474
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 5: Michael's going to love him or oh, Michael's going to

475
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 5: love her, and he just put up He put a

476
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 5: note at the bottom that said she was a teacher.

477
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 5: Some people you know you're going to love her. And

478
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 5: I had these calls on the line and I didn't

479
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 5: get to her. And then the show was over and

480
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 5: he said, way to go. You didn't get to Belle,

481
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 5: and I said, total hold on, and so I wanted

482
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 5: to talk to her, and I wanted to air that

483
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 5: now so that people could hear it, because it's just

484
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 5: one of those neat stories. So she calls up and

485
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 5: she's just Belle. She didn't tell her name, but I

486
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 5: asked her a name, and then Belle Sanchez not a

487
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 5: real common name, and I thought, well, let me look

488
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 5: her up. And it turns out they named an elementary

489
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 5: school for her. How cool is that? I got to

490
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 5: tell you, Belle, that's really whoever made that happen? Who

491
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 5: was the person that made that happen? Somebody had to

492
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 5: spearhead that effort.

493
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 7: Curley Brothers and Ashley Gomez started working and Mike was down.

494
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can you say it again? Who it was?

495
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 7: Yes, Shirley Brothers, who at the time was our marketing

496
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 7: person for the school district and a dear friend, and

497
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 7: then Ashley Gomez, a friend of my sons and a

498
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 7: elementary teacher at the time.

499
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 5: And how long was it for when they notified you, hey, Bell,

500
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 5: we're going to do this, to when they unveiled it

501
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 5: and there was your name on the side of a building.

502
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, I guess like two years, three years. It

503
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 7: all runs together. I'll never forget when they came and

504
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 7: asked me about it. Poojo on Channel thirteen story about it,

505
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 7: And every time I tell the story, I said, it's

506
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 7: very you know, you don't know how to feel because

507
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 7: you feel like if you say yes, they're going to think, oh,

508
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 7: she thinks she's all that. Or if you say I know,

509
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 7: you think, oh she really thinks she's all that. Yeah,

510
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 7: because what do you say? You know?

511
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: You know what I say?

512
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 5: I say, yes, you better believe it absolutely. Oh that'll

513
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 5: that that withstands the test of time. When we're all gone,

514
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: there'll still be Belle not Fagar Sanchez Elementary School.

515
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Poojelodia is her name's she's a

516
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: good overport. Yeah, she's very nice. She doesn't know what

517
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: to make of me, she's interviewed me over the years

518
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: or been at social events where I am. I don't

519
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: think she knows what to make of me.

520
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 7: I can't imagine, Michael.

521
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 5: Well, you know a lot of people don't know what

522
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 5: to make of me because they like to put you

523
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 5: in a box. So I'm this kind of racist, redneck

524
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 5: white guy, and then they go, well, he has a

525
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 5: law degrees, so maybe he's not a redneck, but he's

526
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 5: just a racist. And then they see me around people

527
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: that are not white, and those people appear to like me,

528
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 5: or at least accept meent they go, well, maybe he's

529
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 5: infiltrated the non whites. Maybe he's not so evil, And

530
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 5: they don't know what to make of all that. You know,

531
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 5: everybody needs to be good or bad, racist or not,

532
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 5: and so they don't know whether to put the ribbon

533
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 5: on you or not. Because that's what we do, right,

534
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: We put a star of David on people, we put

535
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: a scarlet letter.

536
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: That's what they like to do. They like to mark

537
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: people as bad and then that person has to be

538
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: ostracized from society. They can never be listened to again

539
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: because they're evil, and.

540
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 5: So so you know, they keep going, I thought, this

541
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 5: guy's been marked evil for a long how does he

542
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 5: keep getting back in you know, why does he get

543
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 5: back in a ring? He's a terrible person, right, And

544
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 5: so they don't know what to make They don't know

545
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 5: what to make of all that. Let me ask you

546
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: a question, Belle, twenty years of teaching, what grade was it?

547
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: Do you say? Fourth grade?

548
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 7: I started out at elementary school, but then I headed

549
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 7: to Junior High. That was my love. I love Junior

550
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 7: High and that's where the last place I taught.

551
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 5: I could listen to you talk forever because I hear

552
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 5: my own teachers when I was growing up. I hear

553
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 5: ms Droddy, and I hear Miss Perry, and I hears

554
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 5: Miss Clytie Lee.

555
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: I can hear their voices.

556
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 5: You have that very clear annunciation with a soft Betty

557
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: Crocker undertone. It's very firm and definitive, but it's also

558
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 5: very loving and compassionate. And I can tell that you

559
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 5: have had to scold a kid who's been in trouble,

560
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 5: but you've also had to forgive kids when when they

561
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 5: do wrong, especially little boys who are rambunctious like I

562
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 5: can Ramona. Would it be inappropriate if we asked her

563
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 5: to just tell us that to get out. Did you

564
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 5: have a matt ramon when you were in kindergarten? If

565
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 5: she were to tell us to get out of our

566
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 5: matt and take a take our nap, and then, like

567
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 5: my elementary school teacher, who you kind of remind me of, after,

568
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: we'll take a nap for a minute on our little

569
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 5: our little palette.

570
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: What'd you call a little rug thing you'd bring? What'd

571
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: you call it? A little matt? You bring a little

572
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: matt to sleep on? An at the end, it's funny.

573
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I told my wife this. Yeah. I literally told my

574
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: wife this morning when we woke up, I said, it's

575
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: wake up time, wake up time, happy, happy, wake up time.

576
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: And she said, where'd that come from?

577
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: I said, Miss Riger nineteen seventy five, Loreena Oates Elementary

578
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 5: Western Start School District.

579
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: And she said, how do you remember stuff like that?

580
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's there. It meant something to me.

581
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's special.

582
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 6: Special.

583
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 7: I have so many stories.

584
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: Oh well, I bet there's so many people out there

585
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 5: listening right now, and they're going to take this interview,

586
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 5: the interview.

587
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna take this discussion and send it around and go, Hey,

588
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Miss Sanchez was on Michael Berry's show. Can you believe it?

589
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: She's still out there. Well, let me ask you a question.

590
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: I feel like I should call her miss Sanchez now,

591
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: like it's like called my teachers by first.

592
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: I can't do that.

593
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 5: You know, my childhood doctor became my dad's doctor, and

594
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: I spoke to him. Oh, I don't know many a

595
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 5: year and a half so ago, my dad was in

596
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: the hospital and he texted me a message and he said, hey, Michael,

597
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 5: it's Marty called me about your dad. And I called

598
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: him and he picked up and I said, doctor Rutlache

599
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 5: and he said yes. I said, please never say the

600
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: word Marty in my prayer. You can never be on

601
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 5: a first name basis. You are doctor Rutlish to me

602
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 5: and always will be. But I want to ask you

603
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 5: if you would give some advice to parents, and maybe

604
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 5: it's tough, advice on how to be good parents of

605
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: kids going to school, the things that you wished parents

606
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: had known, the things that are not obvious to help

607
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: your kids teacher succeed to give your kids a leg

608
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 5: whatever that is.

609
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I just let you go.

610
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 7: Well, I think, first and foremost, I think as parents

611
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 7: we need to show our children, no matter the age,

612
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 7: that we always start our day with prayer. My grandson

613
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 7: and I drive to school every morning and we pray

614
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 7: on the way to school. I think you always let

615
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 7: them know that there are someone greater than themselves who

616
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 7: they go to when mom and dad aren't around, they

617
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 7: can always go to our father. And secondly, I think

618
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 7: it's so important as busy, busy, busy as we are,

619
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 7: to take the time to spend time together and talk

620
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 7: about each each other's days. You know, dad's day at work,

621
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 7: Mom's day at work, your day at school. Talk about it,

622
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 7: and then stay connected with whatever is going on at

623
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 7: school that you, as a parent can be involved in.

624
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 7: You can't be at everything, but make it a point

625
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 7: to let those people at that school know who the

626
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 7: parent of that child is. It's very, very important. And

627
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 7: then always set the example of finding something to read.

628
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 7: It doesn't have to be a novel, it doesn't have

629
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 7: to be anything lengthy and historical, whatever, but just let

630
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 7: your child see that you're reading and that reading is

631
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 7: something you do for the rest of your life. My

632
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 7: husband taught that he wanted his students to be involved

633
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 7: with athletic activities but he said, I want you to

634
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 7: like baseball and football and all those sports that you

635
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 7: can play, but I want you to find things that

636
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 7: you can do on your own. Go golf, Go do

637
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 7: some archery, go do something. Just run or walk or

638
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 7: be athletic, be physical. And so I think all of

639
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 7: those things that we do to keep ourselves healthy is

640
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: what we need to model for our children. And I

641
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 7: think that you hit on something in part of your

642
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 7: conversation today about we don't have to agree with folks

643
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 7: that we love, that we folks that we pick at. Friends.

644
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 7: We can agree to disagree, agree and love each other

645
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 7: no matter where whether we're on the right or the left.

646
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: In the system.

647
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 6: To