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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Welcome to another episode of the award winning
Speaker 1: Blackfeft Film podcast, where all the intersections of identity are celebrated.
Speaker 1: I am one of your hosts, John also known as
Speaker 1: Doctor John Paul, and I just want to say that
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, there should be no reason why I,
Speaker 1: the Good Doctor, can't find a quiz Nos or toe
Speaker 1: gos near me. It's giving anti fat, anti black, anti trans.
Speaker 1: I am making this a part of my agenda in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Bring back quiz nos and togs. Don't
Speaker 1: nobody want no subway. I just don't want it. Jersey
Speaker 1: Mike is not even that good. I'm sorry, it's not
Speaker 1: It's not the same. Did I lie? Did I lie?
Speaker 2: Lie?
Speaker 1: Lie? You know I'm a walking knee. You know that,
Speaker 1: you know I'm a walking But how are you? Bitch?
Speaker 2: Bitch? I missed quiznos Lo jesus, Oh my god. I
Speaker 2: missed the quiz nos literally last month. As I drove
Speaker 2: back to the Bay with moment, we drove back, my
Speaker 2: mama drove back from the bay. We saw a quiz
Speaker 2: no sign off the five and we were like, my
Speaker 2: mom was like Jordan's quizts. We gotta stop. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh girl, quiz nos, let's fucking go. We pulled over
Speaker 2: and stop there just be being boozled. The sign was
Speaker 2: still there, but the quizts was not. It was it was,
Speaker 2: which is fine. I look, I love bell, but the
Speaker 2: way I was like, Hi, y'all keep a christ No
Speaker 2: sign because yeah, what heavy with a quiz no? Amen? Amen?
Speaker 2: That's why you my people, that is why you were
Speaker 2: my girl. Also tell me why so is it so Togos?
Speaker 2: I was never like a basically on Togo was by
Speaker 2: God like like like we we would go, which is
Speaker 2: so because now today I like love sandwiches.
Speaker 1: But I was like, is it to gos or to goes?
Speaker 1: Because it's to goes?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I know that is because
Speaker 1: there used to be a Togs next to the Starbucks
Speaker 1: I used to work at back in my heyday, okay,
Speaker 1: and we would always go in for lunch to that
Speaker 1: Togs because one of my friends from college worked there
Speaker 1: and he would always hit me with the.
Speaker 2: Discount per Yeah, because judging Mike's Firehouse subs. So we
Speaker 2: just don't hit the same as they do, Like they
Speaker 2: don't and they keep trying to be those girls. But
Speaker 2: they just canna be those girls. To me, they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't have the range. You are not that kind
Speaker 2: of girl. That's just how it is anyways, not even Panera,
Speaker 2: not even Panera, I mean, but Panera brings as a
Speaker 2: different girl like she's she's in the class of her own.
Speaker 1: Actually, we should do a whole episode just don't sandwiches
Speaker 1: and we should break Yeah, that's gonna be so so
Speaker 1: for the dolls that are listening, we probably, if not,
Speaker 1: if not next week the week after no where, are
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead.
Speaker 2: And do for John This's house to be in person thing.
Speaker 2: We have to film ourselves eating these sandwiches.
Speaker 1: So what have you do? What a muckbom I'm not man, yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying okay, okay, okay, we'll get through a
Speaker 1: Subway five house and we'll try everything, bitch, and we'll
Speaker 1: give we'll get y'all. So we're gonna plan that that
Speaker 1: will be. It'll probably be special behind the scenes content
Speaker 1: for some for those who put that behind a paywall
Speaker 1: because I don't like people watching me eat, but yes,
Speaker 1: but for the for the listeners and for the watchers,
Speaker 1: we will probably give y'all some exclusive content, but that
Speaker 1: is a great idea.
Speaker 2: So all to say, fam isshuring your girl jojo and
Speaker 2: soon you will. I won't do a pay well he
Speaker 2: watched me eat till you want, girl. If he wants
Speaker 2: me money, go ahead, girl, I want to stop you
Speaker 2: about doing free I'm here to tell you. I'm here.
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell y'all is uh. I would say
Speaker 2: the shout out to the girls who do nails, because
Speaker 2: they really be doing the damn thing. But also nothing
Speaker 2: is more sad then when you get a fresh set
Speaker 2: and then one bitch breaks off, like it becomes incomplete,
Speaker 2: like I have these, but then I have this little
Speaker 2: like half nub now and it's sad because these my
Speaker 2: real nails, like right right, these my real if y'all
Speaker 2: can see me, these my real nails. A bitch got length.
Speaker 2: And so when a nail breaks, it hurts first of
Speaker 2: all physically but also emotionally because you realize you have
Speaker 2: to part with the beauty that you just have to
Speaker 2: sort upon you. So I just want to know that
Speaker 2: for this month, I have been changed in the worst
Speaker 2: way because my nail broke, and it makes me so sad.
Speaker 2: And this is this is how I cope with what
Speaker 2: around me. The world's on fire. The tree of my
Speaker 2: nail broke and I'm crying about it. So that's how
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to go get an acrylic put on.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just gonna do with it. I was just
Speaker 2: like because I was, I don't go back inside because
Speaker 2: also like if I go in the hot to like
Speaker 2: take that under, have to like take off the gel,
Speaker 2: take off the take take off the theo on top,
Speaker 2: put a tip on it all again. It is it
Speaker 2: won't I'll just do what. I'll just say it's a
Speaker 2: soulage because it's not so bad from Afar. But it's
Speaker 2: not so bad like what you're talking about, girl, that
Speaker 2: one broke.
Speaker 1: Oh I see it. Okay, okay, but but but you
Speaker 1: can can't you just file it to make it more shy.
Speaker 2: I was thinking I could file it. It would just
Speaker 2: look like it would just look a small and a
Speaker 2: smaller file and the oberk won't be the same. But
Speaker 2: yes I could, and I think I will. I think
Speaker 2: I'll just do that. I'll just I'll make it work.
Speaker 2: I make a work like I'm not having a new
Speaker 2: set anyways in a few weeks, so I'll just wait
Speaker 2: to the new set.
Speaker 1: But like, I just got my done for creating change,
Speaker 1: by the way, stand down here in this huh and
Speaker 1: then the the cosmic looks cute, girl. Yes, it's giving
Speaker 1: I did I wanted.
Speaker 2: The file was.
Speaker 1: Alphaba alphaba ala alpha alpha. I'm giving you the alphaba
Speaker 1: if you can't hell, yeah, yes, bitch, we've got to
Speaker 1: be seen. It's so for those of you watching, you'll
Speaker 1: probably see me put my hand to the to the thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't get them long this time. Last time they
Speaker 1: were super long, and I found myself struggling to type.
Speaker 1: So I so I was like, you got to cut
Speaker 1: them down, girl. But yes, this Green is definitely giving
Speaker 1: me everything. I'm really into Green right now. And I
Speaker 1: don't know why that's a cue Colors. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely my like I feel like I'm in
Speaker 1: my Green era, like I love Green so much. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and kick this show off, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick it off like we always do. We're
Speaker 1: putting the ask out. We have said to the universe.
Speaker 1: Tisha Campbell is going to join us. One of these days,
Speaker 1: but she's not here right now. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna celebrate her and are still here section? Are
Speaker 1: still here segment? I should say and are still here segment?
Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask this week the question for
Speaker 1: the dolls is what is something that you are still
Speaker 1: holding onto that you need to let go of?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I was gonna go and give you a whole, but
Speaker 1: I feel like I want to hear yours first and
Speaker 1: then I'll share mine. So what like, if you have
Speaker 1: yours up front and in front of your man, what
Speaker 1: is something you're holding on to you that you feel
Speaker 1: like you need to Like John, who do you work for? Like?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you in my favorite sessions? Talk about that? Because
Speaker 2: I swear you ask some questions that have that are
Speaker 2: personate to my life at that moment.
Speaker 1: Why are you watching me? Where are the gar male?
Speaker 1: The other part of this is this is, I mean,
Speaker 1: we've been doing this together for almost three years, we've
Speaker 1: been friends for almost ten, Like I mean at this
Speaker 1: like I know you, bitch. It's kind of like one
Speaker 1: of those things is like, I mean, as much as
Speaker 1: we don't see each other on the day to day,
Speaker 1: we see each other once. We talk almost all with
Speaker 1: each other. It's like we see each other. So I mean,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: Now, thank you. At your point, it's gonna come right right,
Speaker 2: So I think from me and I'm holding on too,
Speaker 2: then you can let go of I think. So today
Speaker 2: I actually was unpacking, like I commit to myself to
Speaker 2: tell the story that that's a so vulnerable on the
Speaker 2: show that I just don't typically say. So. Know, y'all
Speaker 2: see me as as confident as bitch, and I am,
Speaker 2: like I am that bitch. I'm confident as hell, Like
Speaker 2: I love my fashion, I love my friends, all that
Speaker 2: person's personality. But I struggle with confident when it comes
Speaker 2: to meeting guys because it's just it's not easy, and
Speaker 2: guys be sucking sometimes in the worst way.
Speaker 1: And so I want to I want to preface that
Speaker 1: and say people suck. I don't even think it's just guys.
Speaker 1: And I know what you mean, but I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: I think in general, I think we as a just people.
Speaker 2: Say people do.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to kiss guys, and so you're trying
Speaker 1: to it's not just people, you're trying to. I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I hate I mean, I've actually thought I actually could
Speaker 2: be more expansive these days. I could. There are some
Speaker 2: folks I'm like, know what, maybe I don't need to
Speaker 2: be with someone who is this man And that's actually fine.
Speaker 1: And I tell you right now, you know, try I
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, being gender gender affirming means you
Speaker 1: you are open to all in everyone.
Speaker 2: And I will probably affirm some genders. I know that's right.
Speaker 2: Come on, come on now, y'all. But anyway, so, so
Speaker 2: my so, my well and go of is just the
Speaker 2: idea like it is, that is my own commitment to
Speaker 2: believing that I'm not like desirable enough to be seen
Speaker 2: or flooded with or like blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 2: like made out with whatever. Like I'm committing to the
Speaker 2: idea of people like people are fat phobic and then
Speaker 2: they don't they don't like my body, and I know that,
Speaker 2: and I know that there are I know that there
Speaker 2: are people who like who do who do like my body,
Speaker 2: But majority of people push you where I live are
Speaker 2: more fat phobic and I.
Speaker 1: And like, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I want to release the whole of the house
Speaker 2: on me, like and people don't don't don't let my
Speaker 2: body that really is on them and not me, and
Speaker 2: like I can still outwardly be by confident self and
Speaker 2: like that will pull somebody in regardless. I don't need
Speaker 2: I don't need to like I don't just search for that.
Speaker 2: I can just be myself and like be comfor myself.
Speaker 2: And so I'm trying to be in my like Dululu
Speaker 2: era of like like I'm walk around like everyone's fucking
Speaker 2: called that the damn day, but like I need to
Speaker 2: like go the idea that no one does because everyone
Speaker 2: does right without myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're speaking to something I think is really important
Speaker 1: for folks to hear, not only just on the mic,
Speaker 1: but for folks to kind of just carry with them
Speaker 1: that even the people that we think are like quote
Speaker 1: unquote attractive, or people who are conventionally attractive, most of them.
Speaker 1: This is something that has really helped me kind of
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about my own body in
Speaker 1: these last couple of years, you know, learning and seeing
Speaker 1: that statistics have shown that a lot of people who
Speaker 1: present as skinny and jim you know, Jim rats and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to look at a lot of them
Speaker 1: don't even like the way they look a lot of
Speaker 1: them have a lot of body dysmorphia. And then even
Speaker 1: on top of that, you know, there are statistics. I
Speaker 1: don't know the statistics verbatim, but I know that there
Speaker 1: are stats out there that show that a lot of
Speaker 1: the people who we believe that have quote unquote beautiful
Speaker 1: exteriors are doing really dark and really harmful things to
Speaker 1: keep those exteriors. And so that's something that I hope,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that I'm I wouldn't say I'm
Speaker 1: preaching to the choir, but I know someone could easily say, John,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, you have a husband, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? But I also want folks to realize
Speaker 1: and understand too.
Speaker 2: That could even for me.
Speaker 1: You know, though I've been married for almost fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I still struggle with my body. I still struggle with
Speaker 1: like so for instance, like not trying to tire of
Speaker 1: the situation, but like today, when I was working out
Speaker 1: on my peloton, I ordered a new Peloton like they
Speaker 1: were having a cell and so I ordered a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of new Peloton shirts and Peloton shorts. And the
Speaker 1: Peloton shirt stops like halfway. It's it's basically a crop top.
Speaker 1: And I could feel myself getting ready and looking at
Speaker 1: in the mirror and being like, oh, look at the
Speaker 1: way my belly hangs out around my Like I could
Speaker 1: I could hear myself beating myself up about how I
Speaker 1: looked in that in particular crop top. And then something
Speaker 1: just kind of grabbed me and said, well, people just
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with the fact that you got
Speaker 1: a belly and they just gonna have to deal with
Speaker 1: it like that. That's where my head is now, like
Speaker 1: people just don't have to deal with this big body.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I really hope that you take
Speaker 1: with you, Joho, is that the person who loves you,
Speaker 1: the person who will come to love you or will
Speaker 1: will learn to love you, is going to love you.
Speaker 1: It won't be if if the only thing they see
Speaker 1: is your body first. I wouldn't want that person in
Speaker 1: my life for sure for sure.
Speaker 2: And it can't just say like I'm tired of people
Speaker 2: being like, oh, I'm tired of someone be like oh John,
Speaker 2: you're married, like blah blah blah. Like okay, it's because
Speaker 2: you're married, you can't like you can't feel sexy in
Speaker 2: your relationship like girl, like remember will not also like
Speaker 2: shouldn't they also feel sexy in the relationship. Should they
Speaker 2: also be allowed to like find themselves and their partners
Speaker 2: sexy and like actually like like like just because you're married,
Speaker 2: don't mean you want to stop like like like you
Speaker 2: want to stop feeling desired, And.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you're you feel sexy all the time.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that I don't think people get.
Speaker 1: I think, especially when you're loving someone for such a
Speaker 1: long time, one of the and that's maybe something that
Speaker 1: we can we can delve into longer, you know, and
Speaker 1: later on down the line. But that's something that I
Speaker 1: don't think we talk enough about, is about how hard
Speaker 1: it is to still love the way you look after
Speaker 1: years of being with somebody. Do you feel attractive? Do
Speaker 1: you feel sexy? Like you know, the struggle of feeling sexy,
Speaker 1: But like I mean, to my point, joho, like, I
Speaker 1: think it is imperative that you really and again, I know,
Speaker 1: I know you know this. Again, I don't think that
Speaker 1: you'd be on the mic if you didn't. I know
Speaker 1: you know this, But I think it is really important
Speaker 1: to also understand that like this is like as much
Speaker 1: as we tell ourselves and we and again This is
Speaker 1: more for the for for the audience, and it is
Speaker 1: for you. The same people that we're looking at and
Speaker 1: that we're idolizing about how they look and how they feel,
Speaker 1: they're probably looking at us and being like, damn, I
Speaker 1: wish I could feel that good in that body. I
Speaker 1: wish I could eat a sandwich and not because no again,
Speaker 1: people are fucking start. Like I saw someone today, like
Speaker 1: I was on threads and somebody was literally on threads
Speaker 1: talking about, oh, I cut out this, I cut out this,
Speaker 1: I cut out this, I cut out this, and look
Speaker 1: how much I look, how much I weigh. And I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him like, nigga, you look hungry, like because
Speaker 1: you literally are telling us you're not eating. You're literally
Speaker 1: telling us the only thing you eat is like brown
Speaker 1: rice and chicken, and your start like you are literally
Speaker 1: so it's like I just really like in the shared piece,
Speaker 1: like I really understand what you're going through, and I
Speaker 1: think from like sister to sister, it's real, it's real
Speaker 1: out there. But I also want you to like I
Speaker 1: want the audience to hear this episode and go, you
Speaker 1: know what, Doctor John and Joe Hornan Wright like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people out there who, even if
Speaker 1: they look conventionally attractive, are still hating the way that
Speaker 1: they look, you know, and we don't talk enough about that. Hm.
Speaker 1: Well for me, you know, so I personally, you know,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm about to say as old as hell.
Speaker 1: And I also feel real about being super vulnerable on
Speaker 1: the show. I'm laughing, by the way, not that Johoan.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at our producer. So our producer had to jet.
Speaker 1: But they are on the They're literally texting us talking
Speaker 1: about quiz Knows for the Wind. So I'm just happy
Speaker 1: that I picked my team like I picked as the
Speaker 1: right team because they me and they know me. But
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the old things that randomly still creeps up in my
Speaker 1: mind and bugs me, and I know I need to
Speaker 1: let it go. All Keisha Cole. Now, Keisha, I.
Speaker 2: Know I need to let it go.
Speaker 1: You need get.
Speaker 2: Where you want to be. I will not let me
Speaker 2: let that go.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, like I know, for me,
Speaker 1: it is and I'm really trying to be more comfortable
Speaker 1: with being more vulnerable on the pod. But it is
Speaker 1: something I struggle a lot with, is seeing other influencers
Speaker 1: get asked to do something and knowing I could do it,
Speaker 1: and often knowing I could do it better. Girl, you're
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, well, why in the fuck did nobody
Speaker 1: hit me and asks me like that is something that
Speaker 1: I have to like literally fight with myself with when
Speaker 1: I see certain things that I just have to tell myself, like, girl,
Speaker 1: it's okay for you not to be included, like you're
Speaker 1: already doing a lot you already have. You know, you
Speaker 1: already have eyes on you the way that they need
Speaker 1: to be on you. Don't worry about the people who
Speaker 1: didn't ask you. Just know that next time when they
Speaker 1: come around to ask you, you might be bigger and
Speaker 1: the check might be bigger. And that's what I keep
Speaker 1: telling myself these days. I keep telling myself they may
Speaker 1: not ask you now, but one day they are going
Speaker 1: to and when they do ask you, you'll be able
Speaker 1: to charge them more. How you're doing, how you doing,
Speaker 1: how you're doing, and so that that is literally what
Speaker 1: I've been like reveling with. But I know for me,
Speaker 1: I have to constantly tell myself, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is it's funny because I actually went to lunch with
Speaker 1: with doctor James. Uh today and you know today as
Speaker 1: a a week ago y'all here, But when I went
Speaker 1: to lunch with doctor James. For many of you know,
Speaker 1: doctor James is a friend of the show and lives
Speaker 1: pretty close to me now, and so we try to
Speaker 1: have lunch at least once a month. And in our
Speaker 1: talk today when we were like talking and going back
Speaker 1: and forth with each other, it really was a conversation
Speaker 1: about recognizing, especially now, that are good enough is good enough,
Speaker 1: and that there is no need to constantly be vying
Speaker 1: for like attention, like you don't you Like, yes, we
Speaker 1: want to be seen and we want our work to
Speaker 1: be celebrated, but this need to constantly feel like everyone
Speaker 1: has to always be in your inbox celebrating you, and
Speaker 1: you have to constantly pushing to be celebrated. That shit
Speaker 1: is all. So I'm just very much this point today
Speaker 1: where I'm like, my good enough is good enough?
Speaker 2: Girl. Well, now that you guys talk about the shit
Speaker 2: that we should be talking about with our therapist, we
Speaker 2: gotta call them real quick and take a quick little break.
Speaker 2: We'll be back into husicategory in just a sec. All right, fam,
Speaker 2: We are back in this week. Me and my best.
Speaker 2: You wanted to dive into our roots a little bit,
Speaker 2: not Kunta, but a little kay okay, I talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 2: I really do live the history of black towns or
Speaker 2: towns high population. So as you were gonna get relevant today,
Speaker 2: as Jean may Or may not know, last week we
Speaker 2: have mentioned the fires in Altadena, and while fires are
Speaker 2: sad all around, you want to name, we nearly want
Speaker 2: to mention the impact that the Eaton fire has had
Speaker 2: on Altadina, an area where over eighty percent of black
Speaker 2: residents own their home, which is more which is I
Speaker 2: think more than or just about double the national average.
Speaker 2: In the national average, I think it's forty percent. The
Speaker 2: city is also majority minority, meaning that majority people color
Speaker 2: live in the city. One fifth of them are So
Speaker 2: since you won in twenty people are black for contacts.
Speaker 2: According to twenty census in San Diego, only thirty one
Speaker 2: percent of black residence own their home. Myself in one
Speaker 2: of them. So that really is a huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so this limit asked an important question that we'll
Speaker 2: look out this week, and that's why we should be
Speaker 2: engaging the topics of US black areas or areas with
Speaker 2: high Black ownership and residency more and why should not
Speaker 2: be inticipating tragic happens for us to lift them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, Joho. I love that you mentioned
Speaker 1: this in our our kind of our prep meeting you
Speaker 1: were talking about like last week we mentioned it and
Speaker 1: then we kind of just like skirt it past it.
Speaker 1: But I also think last week we didn't really both
Speaker 1: of us really didn't have the capacity to really like
Speaker 1: dig into it this way because it was also and
Speaker 1: it still is fresh, And I think that's the hard
Speaker 1: part about this is like even when you drive over
Speaker 1: the ten or when you're looking around you know, Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: or when you're on social media, we're still seeing homes
Speaker 1: that are still burning and sore. Again, it was a
Speaker 1: little little fresh for me last week. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: we're diving into it now because, as you all know,
Speaker 1: we talk about intersectionality on the show, and one of
Speaker 1: the intersections that we have to talk about is this
Speaker 1: idea of how oppression impacts the buying power, moneies, home buying,
Speaker 1: all of the things that you think about and in
Speaker 1: regards to being a black individual living in southern California.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, this is not in the script,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, and then I'll go on to making
Speaker 1: my point. You know, I know a lot of folks
Speaker 1: who listen to the show. Specifically, when we look at
Speaker 1: the stats of the show, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are on the East Coast and in the
Speaker 1: South who listen to this show who don't understand the
Speaker 1: racism that lives here in southern California. And so I
Speaker 1: thought this, you know, when we were talking about doing
Speaker 1: this episode, I said, this is the perfect time for
Speaker 1: us to engage not only the stats, but also to
Speaker 1: engage the history of southern California, so folks have a
Speaker 1: better understanding of what's really what has happened here, but
Speaker 1: then also too what is happening here. And so one
Speaker 1: of the things that I see on social is that
Speaker 1: it often feels like the only time we engage our
Speaker 1: history in Southern California is when pain is on the horizon.
Speaker 1: And what I say about that is it's like, so,
Speaker 1: for instance, like the only time we ever really talk
Speaker 1: about racism is like with Rodney King, or when something
Speaker 1: like this happens, right someone black or black people are
Speaker 1: impacted by something. And with that being said, I wanted
Speaker 1: to note that before we talk about the importance of
Speaker 1: talking about this on a grander scale, did you know
Speaker 1: one of the things that I found in doing the
Speaker 1: research for this, did you know that historically black towns
Speaker 1: also known as Friedman towns, emerged primarily after the Civil
Speaker 1: War to newly freed black people who were establishing their
Speaker 1: own communities as a way to seek political autonomy, economic independence,
Speaker 1: and escaping the racial South. So it wasn't even like
Speaker 1: people were just saying, oh, we want to live around
Speaker 1: black people. It was basically them saying, we don't like
Speaker 1: the racism that we're facing after coming back from the
Speaker 1: Civil War, so we're out of here, like we're out
Speaker 1: of and and that, And in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: that actually makes a lot of sense because, again Tyra
Speaker 1: me being Tyra Banks bringing it back to me, my
Speaker 1: grandfather lived in Alabama and was also in the Civil
Speaker 1: War and ended up in Los Angeles, so did my
Speaker 1: mom's father. My mom's father also saying thing, well, so no,
Speaker 1: I take that back. My grandfather, my grandfather on my
Speaker 1: dad's side, is from Mississippi and was in the Civil
Speaker 1: War and migrated after he came back. And then my
Speaker 1: mom's father, I don't think he was any in any
Speaker 1: type of war. But what I do know is that
Speaker 1: he lived in Alabama and he hit the brick when
Speaker 1: he realized that his parents realized the racism was too bad.
Speaker 1: They also moved to Compton, California. And so, yeah, like
Speaker 1: we I feel, I don't know how much you know
Speaker 1: about your background, but I know for me, I know
Speaker 1: that like seeing this this, this proves this rings true
Speaker 1: for me because that's exactly how my family landed in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Okay, teacher, teach us some divege, you know. I I
Speaker 2: so I know that that they're they're called free freedmen's town,
Speaker 2: but there's anything a lot about like like. Tulsa, Oklahoma
Speaker 2: probably is one of the yeah, the best examples of
Speaker 2: what like of what like like like a freedman town
Speaker 2: was before it was destroyed heavily in the next twenty
Speaker 2: one Tulsa race massacure, but right used to be known
Speaker 2: as the Black Wall Street where so many black folks
Speaker 2: began to build wealth and then people. Then the white folks,
Speaker 2: the white the white Toulsons had uprising and attacked and
Speaker 2: destroyed I think two million dollars worth of infrastructure, which
Speaker 2: today would be like millions, millions more and really ruined
Speaker 2: the opportunities for a lot of black folks to to
Speaker 2: to be to to to create wealth in their own lives.
Speaker 2: It's important to note that you know, this happens in
Speaker 2: a lot of black a lot of black areas, alter included,
Speaker 2: and it happened a lot more in the nineteen thirties
Speaker 2: because of red lighting. Now, this is something folks to
Speaker 2: add to the lexicon in case you're not familiar with
Speaker 2: red lighting. It's a discriminatory practice that prevents certain races
Speaker 2: mini black folks. But but but I'll name like like.
Speaker 2: These often created were formed the sense of like covenants
Speaker 2: and restriction covement restrictions for buying property or or like
Speaker 2: or the guidelines of like real estate people but like
Speaker 2: oftentimes we Blacks, Asians and Jews, preventing them from accessing
Speaker 2: homes and financial services. This problem, this process was established
Speaker 2: through maps that banks are insurance created that shaded areas
Speaker 2: of more racial density, So people living in those areas
Speaker 2: that we're seeking services like mortgage loans will be denied
Speaker 2: for racially motivated reasons. Interesting enough, and I did not
Speaker 2: know this, actually that the the f h A, which
Speaker 2: is I think the federal Househusing administration sponsored red lighting
Speaker 2: from nineteen thirty said that spot bons bons like they
Speaker 2: like that means the government, the government, not even seven
Speaker 2: years of the government itself was saying, yes, bitches, you
Speaker 2: bear redline and you and negroes in getting shipped from
Speaker 2: us like that is well on a federal level, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we love that stuff because I thought I thought it
Speaker 2: was just I thought it was a covert practice by
Speaker 2: banks and stuff, and I was like, oh, the government
Speaker 2: was out here being like you girlha red by not shit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, So they were in cahoots with each other.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I really want people to under
Speaker 1: Like you'll probably you're probably sitting here and you're probably wondering, like,
Speaker 1: why are we here for a history lesson? I think
Speaker 1: it is imperative for us, especially knowing what we're getting
Speaker 1: ready to walk into. Right So, you know, at the
Speaker 1: top of the show, we heard what Joho shared about
Speaker 1: kind of where we are and where we're going in
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. You know, as much as
Speaker 1: we think that we've made a lot of progress, I
Speaker 1: really felt it was important for us because again, this
Speaker 1: is what we're seeing in the news. We're seeing people
Speaker 1: on out in Altadena, specifically black people now being approached
Speaker 1: by these developers already, like they haven't Folk hasn't even stopped,
Speaker 1: and developers are approaching them and are saying, we would
Speaker 1: love to buy your home. And it's intentional. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily just because the plot of land is available. It's
Speaker 1: this idea that in a lot of these developers' minds,
Speaker 1: they want to make these areas, specifically areas that have
Speaker 1: a high population. And that's why you see, like if
Speaker 1: you're from and so I'm again gonna go off script,
Speaker 1: if you're truly from LA and I'll tell I say this,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of in the same way. So when
Speaker 1: me and Jojo were trying to put this together, I
Speaker 1: had asked them, I said, are you from Oakland? And
Speaker 1: they said, no, I don't claim Oakland because I'm not
Speaker 1: from Oakland. I want to make it clear that I'm
Speaker 1: technically even though I was born in LA, I only
Speaker 1: really lived in LA probably I would say about thirty
Speaker 1: percent of my life, and a lot of that was
Speaker 1: visiting my parents, visiting my parents' parents, visiting cousins, visiting
Speaker 1: friends that my mom had and different people. Right, So
Speaker 1: I got glimpses of LA. But even with the glimpses
Speaker 1: of LA that I got, what I do know for
Speaker 1: a fact is that if you go down to Pico
Speaker 1: and you go to Slawson, and you go to all
Speaker 1: these different areas of like the quote unquote black areas
Speaker 1: of LA, if you would have gone there around the
Speaker 1: nineties or the two thousands, you would have seen that
Speaker 1: there was a very high population of black people. Since then,
Speaker 1: they have all been pushed out. So that is the
Speaker 1: reason why Lamart Park is now white, right, same thing
Speaker 1: they've been pushed out. That is the reason why Compton
Speaker 1: does not look like the Compton I grew up with
Speaker 1: because a lot of black people what have been pushed out.
Speaker 1: And so that is exactly what this conversation is about.
Speaker 1: It's about even though no one is inherently redlining the
Speaker 1: way that you know, the Federal Housing Administration did in
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and nineteen sixties, they are still using
Speaker 1: those mechanisms to make sure that black people, black and
Speaker 1: brown people only live in specific areas. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's imperative that we mentioned that. And so I
Speaker 1: guess you know kind of I want to sale of
Speaker 1: that to say, for folks who are thinking about Altadena
Speaker 1: and other areas like Baldwin Hills, where again there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of black people who have some coin, it's
Speaker 1: important to keep in mind that these black areas didn't
Speaker 1: just happen right Altadena just didn't pop up one day.
Speaker 1: Many of them, because of systemic racism, have been pushed
Speaker 1: out into these areas because they could not buy a
Speaker 1: home in Pasadena, they could not buy a home in Monrovia,
Speaker 1: they could not buy a home in Azusa, they could
Speaker 1: not you know what I mean, like all of these
Speaker 1: neighboring cities. They were pushed into Alta, Dina because somebody
Speaker 1: was saying from the Federal Housing Administration in the early seventies,
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, even though they weren't inherently redlining,
Speaker 1: they were still doing it, and they're still doing it
Speaker 1: if you really think about it. So okay, So now
Speaker 1: that we have done this history lesson which as you
Speaker 1: can till I'm super passionate about. I love talking about history,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes down to looking at how systemic
Speaker 1: racism plays an important part in how we move throughout
Speaker 1: not only just the state but throughout the world. But
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you, you know, I know
Speaker 1: I had mentioned earlier that I know that you're not
Speaker 1: from Oakland specific, right, so I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we don't have people jumping into our dms and
Speaker 1: being like, y'all wrap in LA and y'all rep in
Speaker 1: Oakland and y'all Nigga's not really no, that's not what
Speaker 1: we're saying. We are familiar, Okay. I want to make
Speaker 1: it very clear on this mic that we are familiar.
Speaker 1: And even though you know, for me, Oakland was always
Speaker 1: kind of an anomaly to me, because when I would
Speaker 1: say anomaly, it was always something kind of like I
Speaker 1: looked to Oakland with stars in the eyes because I
Speaker 1: loved and I still do, I love people from the Bay,
Speaker 1: people from the Bay, and that's probably what made me
Speaker 1: gravitate towards you. I just love the culture of the
Speaker 1: Bay and so I would love to know, like, considering
Speaker 1: you grew up so close to Oakland and information another
Speaker 1: bit of history. Do you do you know why Oakland
Speaker 1: does have a large population of black people?
Speaker 2: I actually would not know it.
Speaker 1: So for those who are listening, you again, more information
Speaker 1: and the more you know, the more you know that
Speaker 1: big ass star just flew over your head. Basically what
Speaker 1: it was was it was. And Oakland became a town
Speaker 1: that was impacted by the railroads, so they had black
Speaker 1: people working on the railroads sold in Oakland as a
Speaker 1: way for them to be closer to one another.
Speaker 2: Okay, I had a thought. I had a thought, and
Speaker 2: I was curious that it was and not just affirmed it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so just a lot. Again, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it all comes back down to the
Speaker 1: ways that were pushed into certain areas. But I did
Speaker 1: want to ask you, you know, growing up in the Bay,
Speaker 1: growing up very close to Oakland, I would love to know,
Speaker 1: you know, for folks who don't really know us and
Speaker 1: really understand Southern well and not even say Southern, who
Speaker 1: understand the dynamics of California, I would love to know,
Speaker 1: how did that shape the way you viewed yourself? And
Speaker 1: the only reason why I asked that is because I'll
Speaker 1: talk more after you about my time in Compton. But
Speaker 1: I know that some of the things that I saw
Speaker 1: in Compton growing up as a child is what impacted
Speaker 1: a lot of the way I see my life now,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would love to know your your take
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I love this question. And let me let
Speaker 2: me just say, I have never said from Oakland, but
Speaker 2: I always say I'm from the Bed, and I always
Speaker 2: read East Bay and Oakland's the seat of East Bay,
Speaker 2: which also makes sense about the river roads because the
Speaker 2: whole point of the cutting around from Alameda County, it
Speaker 2: was a seat also of all of like the transportation
Speaker 2: for the railroads in the first place, So perect sense
Speaker 2: why Oakland was made in that way and why it's
Speaker 2: since errokely black. But like I will always up East Bay.
Speaker 2: East Bay to me is home of the culture in
Speaker 2: many ways. And I always said this question was great
Speaker 2: because it pushed me to do some research into the
Speaker 2: region that I grew up myself. The data is actually
Speaker 2: really wild. So East Bay, right is a subregional the
Speaker 2: Bay Area, anchored by Oakland. And according to published data
Speaker 2: in my county, Alameda, when I was growing up, roughly
Speaker 2: within seven people residents and census were black, right, So like,
Speaker 2: so roughly if I left my house, every seven person,
Speaker 2: every every single person I was going to see was
Speaker 2: was gonna be a black person. So yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a majority minority of county, and my city was also
Speaker 2: a majority my minority. Like, growing up, white feltsially made
Speaker 2: up I think thirty eight percent of the population. The
Speaker 2: main polation was Black, Asian and Latine. Black folks at
Speaker 2: that point made up roughly fifteen percent of the population, right,
Speaker 2: So that that's the one and seven. And so it's
Speaker 2: interesting because I always tell people like, growing up, I
Speaker 2: feel like I definitely grew up in a multi racial bubble.
Speaker 2: So when people so like, if someone would tell me, like,
Speaker 2: as a kid, if I quote unquote like didn't see
Speaker 2: race right like quote unquote, I would have understood that
Speaker 2: because I truly felt people like we all looked different,
Speaker 2: we all look different, and that never meant anything bad.
Speaker 2: And so I grew with the privilege in that way.
Speaker 2: To know that we I had to see a lot
Speaker 2: of bipop faces around me and a lot of bipop
Speaker 2: successes in terms of jobs, education, homeownership, and essentially. Right,
Speaker 2: kind of a flip on the head of a suburb
Speaker 2: where you know, where I grew up was a suburb
Speaker 2: of vocal with essentially and football has headed because we
Speaker 2: don't know suburbs were made for white flight in the
Speaker 2: first place, right, and so to be in a suburb
Speaker 2: where everyone was really multiracial as well. It's different now
Speaker 2: because when I was looking into the data, right, so
Speaker 2: now we're in the county, less than ten percent of
Speaker 2: people are black. So when I went from one in
Speaker 2: seven to one in ten or one in eleven, people
Speaker 2: are gonna be black. Additionally, right in Oakland, this is fasting.
Speaker 2: Some sixty thousand people have left since I think since
Speaker 2: since the twenty ten census, right, yeah, a sixty thousand
Speaker 2: black folks, I mean since black actual place that had
Speaker 2: a certainly hute relation of black cloths like twenty seven
Speaker 2: percent now is a like thirteen something percent, I believe.
Speaker 2: So it's so fascinating to understand that, like the migration
Speaker 2: patterns of people. I will also say, white folks also
Speaker 2: are lesser population now. So now where I grew up,
Speaker 2: white folks were growing up were forty percent and now
Speaker 2: they're like twenty six percent I think, like they're in
Speaker 2: the twenties. So interesting, So like in some cases it
Speaker 2: became more minority majority, but maybe one only one one
Speaker 2: ethnic racial group. My minority became more of the majority there,
Speaker 2: So interesting to see how how that happened. But also like, oh,
Speaker 2: of course it did. Because now when I go back,
Speaker 2: right when I go back to businessespecially when I go
Speaker 2: back to the city city, which is San Francisco, folks,
Speaker 2: you know what that means, like in slaying terms of
Speaker 2: the city. There's much less black of people that I see,
Speaker 2: you know, I and I think, I say a lot
Speaker 2: with people worth with you. Like my my brother where
Speaker 2: he lives. Now, this is a this is a street
Speaker 2: where he grew up on. And I think his family,
Speaker 2: his you know, his loave of buss memory, her, her, her,
Speaker 2: her husbands still alive. She lives on the other side,
Speaker 2: the other end of the street, and he lives with
Speaker 2: his his aunt and uncle and but but the house.
Speaker 2: They've owned the house the past, like those houses in
Speaker 2: the past eighty seven years. And they're the only people
Speaker 2: I think, on those streets who like who originally own
Speaker 2: who owned those homes versus everyone else's love there have
Speaker 2: kind of been pushed out. Now it's like now we
Speaker 2: go there, it's hello, white folks. No, one's not many
Speaker 2: folks of color and stuff. So I'll just say, yeah,
Speaker 2: super interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many pieces that you hit that I'm
Speaker 1: like we could go on and talk about for days.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the things that is most
Speaker 1: silent and most important in this conversation that I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that people will take from this kind of you know,
Speaker 1: reading rainbow way of how we've talked about the impact
Speaker 1: of what's happening in Alsadina and you know, thinking about
Speaker 1: you know, black spaces and black places. Is really thinking
Speaker 1: about this idea of this, like I really want people
Speaker 1: if there's nothing else you take from this talk is
Speaker 1: or from this episode, is really hearing this notion that
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who probably struggle. I
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that has hit me so hard
Speaker 1: emotionally and it has made it so hard for me
Speaker 1: to talk about is thinking about like I think about
Speaker 1: what my so for instance, like I said, like my
Speaker 1: grandfather on my dad's side, he goes through everything he
Speaker 1: goes through in the Civil War. He gets a little
Speaker 1: bit of pocket change, he buys a home in la
Speaker 1: and he says, I want this home to be in
Speaker 1: my family, and it still is. Like one of my
Speaker 1: uncles still owns the house where we grew up and
Speaker 1: where we were well, actually he just sold it, but
Speaker 1: it's still in the lineage like my uncle still is
Speaker 1: like and I wouldn't say sold it. I think that
Speaker 1: he basically rents it out and he basically allows people
Speaker 1: to live in it. But the reality of the matters
Speaker 1: he still owns it. But I fail of that to say.
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's like to be in that
Speaker 1: mental state of knowing what you've gone through to build
Speaker 1: a life and a home in an area that you
Speaker 1: probably were pushed into that tbh, you probably didn't really
Speaker 1: want to be in. You probably want it to be
Speaker 1: and like I said, a Pasadena, or you probably wanted
Speaker 1: to be somewhere along that line of Glendale, or you
Speaker 1: want it to be somewhere in the more prettier and
Speaker 1: the more burbank even maybe and probably we're told you
Speaker 1: can't live here, right, like we're not. We won't sell
Speaker 1: a home to you. You need to go to Altadena
Speaker 1: right to buy a home. That that that is something
Speaker 1: I have been thinking a lot about this week. And
Speaker 1: so you know, not to get away from me talking
Speaker 1: about my own experience. I think for me, that's where
Speaker 1: my heart is. I was gonna post about it and
Speaker 1: talk about it online, I said, I'll just save it
Speaker 1: for the pod. It has been really, really, really hard
Speaker 1: for me to watch so many black people that I
Speaker 1: either know or black people that I know of. It's
Speaker 1: like I said, I when I talked with James today,
Speaker 1: James said, we are all like one point five people
Speaker 1: removed from someone who has either been impacted by the
Speaker 1: Pacific Palisades Fire or the al the Eating Fire. And
Speaker 1: it's true, like I have a thing at this point
Speaker 1: now it's four people. I have two people from the
Speaker 1: Pacific Palisades Fire, and then I have two people from
Speaker 1: the Eating Fire that I know who have lost their home.
Speaker 1: And it is just very much in the mind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're and they're all black. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that's hard for me is to
Speaker 1: process that. But I tell that to say, I love
Speaker 1: hearing you talk about growing up in the Bay. For
Speaker 1: many of you who know me, I've probably talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I actually talk a little bit about this in
Speaker 1: my book too, Plug Plug, But I talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about this idea of engaging in my like not really,
Speaker 1: I grew up being engaged in my blackness, but it
Speaker 1: was always it wasn't something that was always kind of
Speaker 1: in my face until I got to Compton. And it's
Speaker 1: because you know, my mom. So a lot of people
Speaker 1: may or may not know this about me, but the
Speaker 1: only reason why I actually grew up in San Bernardino
Speaker 1: was because of everything that was happening in LA at
Speaker 1: the time. When we were growing up, we used to
Speaker 1: live in Paramount. For many who don't know what Paramount is.
Speaker 1: Paramount excuse me, kind of borders al Monte and East
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and we were living there. We were going
Speaker 1: back and forth. We were going back and forth, and
Speaker 1: then everything broke out with you know, basically the riots.
Speaker 1: And there was two different riots. There was a riot
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety I think it was, and there was
Speaker 1: another riot in nineteen ninety one. And the first riot
Speaker 1: was the little I forget the young black woman who
Speaker 1: it was, a young black girl who was killed. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that was the first riot that kind of made my
Speaker 1: mom go, I don't know how I feel about living here.
Speaker 1: And then we had the Ronnie King riots and I
Speaker 1: actually remember now I will say this, I remember to
Speaker 1: the day being probably I think I was around six,
Speaker 1: and I remember being at my grandma's house and I
Speaker 1: remember like walking outside towards the car and seeing the
Speaker 1: corner store go up in flames and asking my mom
Speaker 1: why are they doing that, and my mom saying, don't
Speaker 1: ask no questions, get in a car, we gotta go,
Speaker 1: and we high tailed it out of there, And that
Speaker 1: was kind of the first moment of my mom saying
Speaker 1: we need to get out of here. So I always
Speaker 1: have to say my mom is a part of what
Speaker 1: they call that Black flight that fled to the Inland
Speaker 1: Empire because they were trying to get away from a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that was going on with the
Speaker 1: LAPD and blah blah blah blah blah. And so that's
Speaker 1: also partly why I tell people that's why San Bernadino
Speaker 1: has such a high population of black people. One it
Speaker 1: was affordable, but also two, a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of black people came from Los Angeles because they were
Speaker 1: trying to get away from the riots and a lot
Speaker 1: of the issues that they had with the LAPD. And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom would talk to us about that. Even though
Speaker 1: we grew up around a lot of Latinae and Asian
Speaker 1: folks here in San Bernardino, I still got a lot
Speaker 1: of moments and love from being in Coompton and going
Speaker 1: to the corner shop and going to churches and going
Speaker 1: to Kmar and seeing you know, living Montillanda lived across
Speaker 1: the street from the you know, the railroad tracks, and
Speaker 1: so they're having the donut truck man come around like that.
Speaker 1: That for me, those are the two there are two
Speaker 1: things that really signified my youth in terms of blackness.
Speaker 1: Is the fucking donut truck that would come around. Did
Speaker 1: you have a donut truck growing up?
Speaker 2: No, just asking truck.
Speaker 1: My god, the donut truck would come around and it
Speaker 1: was I from what I remember as a kid, and
Speaker 1: maybe I might be exaggerating, those donuts were probably the
Speaker 1: best donuts I ever had in my life. But yes,
Speaker 1: there was a donut truck. And then there was a
Speaker 1: fucking candy lady. And when I say the fucking candy lady,
Speaker 1: it's because she had candy that I don't even I
Speaker 1: don't know how that woman got her hands on some
Speaker 1: of the candies that we had, but Mama stayed stacked
Speaker 1: with all the best candy. And I don't remember her name,
Speaker 1: but I do remember her living across the street from
Speaker 1: my grandmother, and my grandmother, from what I know, still lives,
Speaker 1: will live somewhere around I think it was one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty eighth, but man, my god, it was. It
Speaker 1: was just absolutely fantastic. The days, you know, on the
Speaker 1: weekends when we would go stay with my grandparents, my
Speaker 1: cousins would come over, shout out to Steven and Renea
Speaker 1: and my cousin Alicia and Aisha, and we would all
Speaker 1: sing and dance and have a good time. We'd go
Speaker 1: to the candy lady's house. We'd play tag in the
Speaker 1: front yard. My grandfather would come out with his bb
Speaker 1: gun and be yelling at us for being on his grass.
Speaker 1: But those like that was Compton to me, like it
Speaker 1: was just and it was and it wasn't just us.
Speaker 1: It was a whole bunch of other black kids that
Speaker 1: we knew and that we hung out with, and it
Speaker 1: just it really made me adore the moments that I
Speaker 1: could escape Sam Bernadino. Not because I hate it living
Speaker 1: in San Bernadino. I mean, obviously I still live near
Speaker 1: it now, but I think for me, there was just
Speaker 1: a sense of blackness that really lived with me when
Speaker 1: I was or what carried me when I was in
Speaker 1: Compton or when I was in downtown LA. You know,
Speaker 1: when I was in certain elements of paramount growing up
Speaker 1: as a kid, and even now sometimes when I go
Speaker 1: visit my my grandmother and my grandmother lives in Torrance,
Speaker 1: and just seeing all the black people in Torrance and
Speaker 1: and how how much they support and love one another,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: And it really is.
Speaker 1: So I say that to say, I'm going to shut
Speaker 1: up now and and really say, like my heart goes
Speaker 1: out to the folks out in Alta Dina more than
Speaker 1: they know.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm curiously that's your thoughts on this, just
Speaker 2: because you mentioned the DA Black flight and we know
Speaker 2: the impact of the fires can very well and me
Speaker 2: will very well impact the future. But Generussia wealth in LA.
Speaker 2: And we know that LA is about to be the
Speaker 2: spot for three global sports event in the coming years,
Speaker 2: right the super Bowl is coming, the Olympics and then
Speaker 2: another and then and then and then I think the
Speaker 2: World Cup or like a big soccer tormance coming as
Speaker 2: well too. So like the next three years are gonna
Speaker 2: be very the next ray is gonna be very very
Speaker 2: big years for LA. So I'm curious to ask you,
Speaker 2: and I mean, right, like this is like totally like
Speaker 2: just like just thoughts to win, But like, what do
Speaker 2: you think we'll see happen for black communities in the region.
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll be pushed more put to the
Speaker 2: ie do you think they'll be pushed more south? Like
Speaker 2: I think we're already seeing, I'm agression pattern of people
Speaker 2: from the Bay or even LA coming down to San Diego.
Speaker 2: Like look like like like on threads, I see a
Speaker 2: lot there are a lot of black like young black
Speaker 2: folks from moving to LA, and we're moving to San
Speaker 2: Diego from LA. And so yeah, I'm curious of what
Speaker 2: do you think might happen because I know that you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of work of like how now they
Speaker 2: have to rebuild LA, but they also gonna be with
Speaker 2: people the government right of Vala will be we're building
Speaker 2: LA in a different image because they want to have
Speaker 2: an image that the people who come for these porting
Speaker 2: of can also come and quote unquote enjoy. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I'm just curious your thoughts and all that.
Speaker 1: But to your point, I will say, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's just at this point, I think people are
Speaker 1: gonna go where they feel safest. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: go where they feel most like they can celebrate themselves.
Speaker 1: I worry, you know, just I wonder, and this is
Speaker 1: something that I just I don't I don't really have
Speaker 1: the words to kind of like indulge, but I will say,
Speaker 1: I just wonder when any of when, when any and
Speaker 1: all of how much? Because because I will give it this,
Speaker 1: it is expensive af to live anywhere in California now period.
Speaker 1: People will say, oh, it's a cheaper. Nope, there's there's
Speaker 1: nowhere cheap. They're cheapish places to live, but there are
Speaker 1: there is nowhere cheap. And so I worry. I wonder
Speaker 1: about that, how how all of this is going to
Speaker 1: impact the costs of living in terms of where people
Speaker 1: live and how they afford to live there. But I
Speaker 1: also will say, like I just I wonder if we're
Speaker 1: we're going to see you know, growing areas like Alsodina
Speaker 1: that will eventually are you know, inviting you know, hey,
Speaker 1: black people, if you you know, you you lived in Altadena,
Speaker 1: you may not want to live there anymore, or you
Speaker 1: may want to move or you're coming from the Bear
Speaker 1: or whatever, come to this black part of you know, Escondido.
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what I'm saying, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think that I think that's gonna be the wave. And
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting that we mentioned that because
Speaker 1: in our next segment we're going to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about community. But I think that that's the biggest,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me in my mind, you asking
Speaker 1: that question is I genuinely believe that a lot of
Speaker 1: black people are migrating and moving and leaving because they
Speaker 1: are recognizing how important it is to be in black
Speaker 1: spaces and around black people. Because again I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time, you can feel just just because you're
Speaker 1: behind a gate and you live in a quote unquote
Speaker 1: nice area doesn't mean you're safe. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing a lot of people remiss. And I could
Speaker 1: go on for days talking about, you know, the fabrication
Speaker 1: of that in my own mind, of how you know
Speaker 1: how much racism and how much you know anti blackness
Speaker 1: you experience in a quote unquote nice area, you know,
Speaker 1: because you decide in your mind you think that living
Speaker 1: behind the gate is going to say, I mean, there
Speaker 1: is no quote unquote safe space when you're black, queer,
Speaker 1: that you're when you're marginalized. So yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess that's my long way of saying
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I definitely, I definitely want to
Speaker 1: just send my love out to anybody who's thinking about
Speaker 1: migrating anywhere here in California, but also the people who
Speaker 1: are migrating because not because they want to, but because
Speaker 1: they have to. So yeah, all right, y'all. Well, with
Speaker 1: that being said, we have given you a ride on
Speaker 1: the Magic school Bus for the last forty what I
Speaker 1: feel like, forty five fifty minutes. But we're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break to refuel, and when we get back,
Speaker 1: we are going to get into our next segment where
Speaker 1: we talk a little bit about community. More in a second.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So for this week's UH set, we
Speaker 1: decided our next segment. We decided that we're going to
Speaker 1: go ahead and bring back Go Love Yourself because we
Speaker 1: haven't really been in this bag for a minute. And
Speaker 1: I with Go Love Yourself. The thing that I was
Speaker 1: thinking most about is really wanting to kind of like
Speaker 1: touch on something that I think we kind of hinted
Speaker 1: at in our conversation, but we really didn't like get at.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about this notion of community and
Speaker 1: So with that being said, I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: especially with us being who we are at our big age,
Speaker 1: and this was something that I had also brought up
Speaker 1: on social media. I had said, you know, I'm thirty
Speaker 1: nine and I don't feel like I have a I
Speaker 1: feel like I have I want to like this clear,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have good people around me, but
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have a quote unquote strong
Speaker 1: community because so much of my true community was from
Speaker 1: college and a lot of them have like left, Like
Speaker 1: my community is in Atlanta, my community is in San Diego,
Speaker 1: my community is in San France, so like my community
Speaker 1: is like virtual at this point. But for those of
Speaker 1: you who are in a sense of like I'm a
Speaker 1: social butterfly or I want to make you know, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to find the people. I want
Speaker 1: to find the dolls, you know. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been thinking a lot about,
Speaker 1: is this notion of how black people are black where
Speaker 1: people can find communities. So, because I think of you
Speaker 1: as a social butterfly, this week, I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that you're a little bit younger
Speaker 1: than me, and so I don't say that with how
Speaker 1: do I say that.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't say that to make it seem like it's
Speaker 1: any easier to find good community. But I did want
Speaker 1: to ask you, girl.
Speaker 2: She's just verge girl, she said, bitch, look at me,
Speaker 2: look at me, look at me. How much did you
Speaker 2: put out to get in? Girl?
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and read say and ask the question. So,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to ask, considering that I believe that
Speaker 1: you are a social butterfly, I want to And again
Speaker 1: I know that you're younger than so I don't want
Speaker 1: to make the assumption that it's easier to find community
Speaker 1: because you are younger. But I did want to ask
Speaker 1: you what has been a good thought process, something maybe
Speaker 1: that you've learned that has helped you find true community
Speaker 1: out where you are at your big age.
Speaker 2: Girl, I'm like a social bat. Like butterflies are beautiful
Speaker 2: creatures floating when the wind takes some looking elegant, as
Speaker 2: I am a fucking bat, flapping uncontrollably trying to survive
Speaker 2: the most chaoical way possible. Like I'm like, like, I
Speaker 2: am not a little bit of fla but thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: Off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that said, finding good community is not easy.
Speaker 2: I've made a lot of community in the past few years,
Speaker 2: and now I'm kind of paring it down, like I've
Speaker 2: been to this over you know, I'm making community ever
Speaker 2: ago over the past few years, especially being a pandemic,
Speaker 2: and again like thinking about what community means to me.
Speaker 2: How do I like discover who actually feels a community,
Speaker 2: and how do I manage time with them and prioritize
Speaker 2: them over people that don't like community. I think good
Speaker 2: community looks like people I can enjoy both unstructured time
Speaker 2: with and structured time with. Right Like there there was
Speaker 2: there's an artfull that came out I think like last
Speaker 2: month or a few weeks or a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: where like or was that last month or in November?
Speaker 2: It was about how like having unstructured time with friends
Speaker 2: actually builds deeper relationships, right because now in the age
Speaker 2: of digital media, right, but before your we never just
Speaker 2: roll up to your house say hey, or I was
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. I want to say hi, right like
Speaker 2: people just knocking on the door and say hey, or
Speaker 2: what were you doing? And so if I come up
Speaker 2: to your house and hang with you without us trying
Speaker 2: to do something in particular or ghost in particular, then
Speaker 2: that to me feels like a community. And anversely, if
Speaker 2: we go out, are we having fun?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What like what we're doing? Are we enjoying ourselves? Also?
Speaker 2: Can we travel? Can we travel together?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Can we be in different places at Cyberg City together
Speaker 2: really enjoy having fun in new places? Like? That's the
Speaker 2: thing that makes a good community for me emotionally, it's
Speaker 2: do we tell each other what we want to hear?
Speaker 2: Or do we have different conversations with each other as
Speaker 2: much as we have the easy ones, right, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't want friends I don't to me to me is
Speaker 2: not people who just like say tell me, tell me
Speaker 2: what I want to hear In that say, like, I
Speaker 2: want people who will like hold me accountable and challenge
Speaker 2: me on shit. I think finding community has a different
Speaker 2: because I'm someone to write like I join I joined
Speaker 2: this quite queer queer kickball league, and so I've had,
Speaker 2: like I've made quite a few friends that I believe
Speaker 2: will be like lifelong friends from that experience. You know,
Speaker 2: I think this podcast gives us a chance to meet
Speaker 2: new people. My job is to new people, So like
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm also the person that like I
Speaker 2: think I can be friends with anybody. I've had to
Speaker 2: learn to stop doing that because I have learned that
Speaker 2: actually you can't make everyone's friend. Unfortunately, you know, I
Speaker 2: think you can, but I think I've also realized that
Speaker 2: when I try to be everyone's friend, I then lose
Speaker 2: focus on the people that like have like like make
Speaker 2: me who I am and push me to be the
Speaker 2: best person myself. And so now I'm in this space
Speaker 2: of I'm the negotiating when it looks like to build small,
Speaker 2: build smaller, build more community in small ways while recommitting
Speaker 2: myself to my kid they already have in bigger ways
Speaker 2: that way, right that way, Like you know, I don't
Speaker 2: feel stiding it in just like in not having new
Speaker 2: things or new people, but I'm really nurturing and growing
Speaker 2: with people that have currently because that really, that really
Speaker 2: is what makes it good for me, and that's what
Speaker 2: that's what that's And then I think the ways I'm
Speaker 2: finding it is like just also doing new things, Like
Speaker 2: now I'm also trying to There's this app called it's
Speaker 2: called Time Meat or something or something Time something, and
Speaker 2: it's about basically you put in your like your like
Speaker 2: interests and then it can make. It basically creates a
Speaker 2: dinner for you with five strangers. It sounds wild, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try it for when it's like eighteen bucks.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, okay, run up by me again. Say that again,
Speaker 1: because I think I want to do with too.
Speaker 2: So I think he listen trying to find it because
Speaker 2: I think I think I'm an email. I think it's
Speaker 2: called time meat.
Speaker 1: Where is it?
Speaker 2: Where is it? Where is it? Where is it is from?
Speaker 3: Yesually she got somebody fucking emails? God nay, yeah, day Okay.
Speaker 3: I think it's time meet or keep time or time
Speaker 3: keep one of those things. But basically it's an app
Speaker 3: where you and you will put in. You'll put in
Speaker 3: like ask you questions like what your interests, you know,
Speaker 3: how you identified you you? And it usually if you're
Speaker 3: in an area where they have it okay, like a
Speaker 3: range of a region, right, And so for me, they
Speaker 3: have it in like in like within fifteen minutes in
Speaker 3: my house, and so I put this information and then
Speaker 3: it matches me with five different people. And then it
Speaker 3: basically like we'll book a dinner for us somewhere and
Speaker 3: we will meet there and as all strangers and like connect.
Speaker 3: So it sounds wild, but like like I'm gonna try.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like fifteen bucks for one ticket and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, girl, I'll do it, like I'll see
Speaker 2: what happens. You choose a day, us the day and
Speaker 2: see and we're like no, girl, like I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 2: Makes shake. I can find some good friends and like
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. And I love that cause it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, and I heard about this. Do you watch
Speaker 2: Random Tangent? Do you watch Subway Takes? Yes, genius show.
Speaker 1: Can I just say that I'm actually gonna be in
Speaker 1: New York and about two or three.
Speaker 2: Weeks if you're on that show, bitch, I would scream please.
Speaker 1: Yes, if somebody is in New York, if y'all can.
Speaker 2: Get on the show, please it will be a wrap please,
Speaker 2: cause that would be you have the hot take. I live,
Speaker 2: I Live. It's such a show. So there was one
Speaker 2: person who said, there it was. It was it was
Speaker 2: an interesting hot take. Like they began by saying like
Speaker 2: basically their thing was like we like we have to stop.
Speaker 2: It was like cancel. It was like cancel, canceled reservations.
Speaker 2: Basically like we have become two used to reservations, Right,
Speaker 2: so we become too used to requesting what table we want,
Speaker 2: and we're at that we have we now like essentially
Speaker 2: created more social anxiety for ourselves.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We don't allow ourselves to be surprised. We don't allow
Speaker 2: ourselves to like go into a place and like, okay,
Speaker 2: the wait waits an hour. Well then let's go and
Speaker 2: like explore the area for an hour, then come back
Speaker 2: and see if our table is ready. Right, we all
Speaker 2: come in at six pm saying we're here in badman
Speaker 2: mam exactly, you know, and so and and and and
Speaker 2: koreem the host. At first it was like have person disagree,
Speaker 2: and then by the end of it he was like,
Speaker 2: actually agree with you. It was really interesting. So I
Speaker 2: feel like, right, there's this there's this call. It's like,
Speaker 2: we build the technology to make lives easier and more convenient.
Speaker 2: But there is a point in like, has a convenience
Speaker 2: come at the cost of, like, our inability to be social,
Speaker 2: our on ability to like, you know, has been too convenient,
Speaker 2: been has been being too convenient? Damage our ability to
Speaker 2: like hold empathy and hope perfective, it said, damage our
Speaker 2: ability to like see people where they're at and be
Speaker 2: and being being community with others, and so this app
Speaker 2: sounds very fasting, So I'm gonna try that as well
Speaker 2: to report back. He went for me, there's a lot,
Speaker 2: I said, John, how about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know what tbh, I actually didn't really
Speaker 1: want to say a lot this segment. So I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I think he's awful.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they didn't really have a lot because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I I struggle with them a lot,
Speaker 1: and you know this, like and I think I think
Speaker 1: a big part of it is I want to make
Speaker 1: this very clearly because I think that there are probably
Speaker 1: people who listen to the show that know me and
Speaker 1: they're like, what the fuck is John talking about? They
Speaker 1: don't have community when they when I know you and
Speaker 1: I live in your area, you know, I live around you,
Speaker 1: and I see you are work with your blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And what I'm what I'm what I
Speaker 1: think I'm reveling with is and this is something that
Speaker 1: I've had to have conversations with some of my coworkers about.
Speaker 1: There's a certain feeling like the only way to really
Speaker 1: explain it is you have to be from the inline Empire.
Speaker 1: You have to be a black queer from the Illin
Speaker 1: Empire to understand the feeling that I have because San Diego,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, San Francisco, like a lot of these areas
Speaker 1: where there's like a certain kind of gay there's community there, right,
Speaker 1: But when you get into the ie, if you don't
Speaker 1: if you don't show up a certain type of way,
Speaker 1: or you don't look a certain type of way or
Speaker 1: do what other people do, then you're kind of cast
Speaker 1: to the side. And so I think for me, it's
Speaker 1: been really hard because and I also say this too,
Speaker 1: like I think there's also something and again I don't
Speaker 1: know if I need to go back to therapy over this,
Speaker 1: this is something I need to work through. But I
Speaker 1: also think too, like growing up in my mind, there
Speaker 1: was this picture that was painted that by the time
Speaker 1: I was thirty nine and forty, i'd have friends knocking
Speaker 1: on my door, like Martin or like living single, where
Speaker 1: I would always be with these four or five people.
Speaker 1: We'd be having dinner, we'd be laughing, we'd be going
Speaker 1: on trips, we'd be doing and I don't have that,
Speaker 1: and so and it's not and it's not to you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a poor it's not a you know, boohoo
Speaker 1: cry for John situation. I'll be transparent and saying no,
Speaker 1: I know that A part of that is I'm too
Speaker 1: fucking busy. I know, I know. A lot off it
Speaker 1: is this girl has a lot on her play and
Speaker 1: she's doing a lot, and I don't really have a
Speaker 1: lot of time to just sit around my apartment with
Speaker 1: people and chit chat and have fun. But there's also
Speaker 1: a part of me that still feels like I'll look
Speaker 1: around sometimes and I'll be like, I don't have anything
Speaker 1: planned with any of my friends, and it feels kind
Speaker 1: of like lonely. So I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: is again you have there's a certain type of growing
Speaker 1: up feeling you get being from the land Empire. And
Speaker 1: I also say this for people who live in small towns.
Speaker 1: You probably know exactly what I'm talking about. But there's
Speaker 1: also this element of being a black queer in a
Speaker 1: small town that very much is like leaving to go
Speaker 1: to other big towns and other big areas. And oftentimes,
Speaker 1: if you're not that girl that's gonna get up and
Speaker 1: drive to San Diego or Los Angeles every Saturday or
Speaker 1: every Sunday or for brunch. You're pretty much as sol,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's kind of where my mind was.
Speaker 1: So that was that was my way of me saying
Speaker 1: a lot, even though I said I wanted to say, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, this is a lot. I mean, we got
Speaker 2: all to say what can need do?
Speaker 1: So hey, you let me have you all think about
Speaker 1: the big sea word. We got to get a quick
Speaker 1: break to pay some bills so we can afford to
Speaker 1: see community how long?
Speaker 2: And when we get back, we're gonna we're gonna get
Speaker 2: into contuny of the things that we're gonna get into
Speaker 2: communion with the things that we love and we hate
Speaker 2: back in just a second.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this week I'm gonna go ahead and put
Speaker 1: my girl on the spot. You can go ahead and
Speaker 1: go first, because I am trying to get my yes,
Speaker 1: ma'am's my no man.
Speaker 2: I hate you so much together, sut up. You see
Speaker 2: the blank? You see the blank on my side? How
Speaker 2: dare you.
Speaker 1: Do this to me?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: How did you do this to me? You? So?
Speaker 2: Okay? So my man, Pam first and foremost a surprise gollagers,
Speaker 2: because y'all bitches are doing the worst, doing the devil's work,
Speaker 2: and I will tell the truth of him right now.
Speaker 2: Y'all are nasty ass hose, jewishous, stink, broken ass things.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to get your comeuppance. Y'all just
Speaker 2: so evil, And I just I'm know, yes.
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Did you see that TikTok? And
Speaker 1: that man who called that man? There was a man
Speaker 1: who I guess had put an apartment up for for
Speaker 1: rent and was charging nine thousand dollars a month for
Speaker 1: rent all all of a sudden, and they asked him
Speaker 1: because I guess he said when he had checked it
Speaker 1: the day before it was he hit And he was
Speaker 1: like why and and.
Speaker 2: The person was like because because because we know disasters
Speaker 2: will make women make good money. Yeah, put his ass
Speaker 2: on the last give us, give us the government name,
Speaker 2: give us the name, let me know who I wash
Speaker 2: up the door. But I'll be ready to go, girl,
Speaker 2: let's go. Let's sorry to cut you off, but that's
Speaker 2: what that period of period also say, no man, Pam
Speaker 2: to carry underwood.
Speaker 1: I'm so sad.
Speaker 2: I will never I can't sing before he seats ever again.
Speaker 2: Now I'm so sad she had Bob.
Speaker 1: I don't even like that fucking song. You know what
Speaker 1: song I love by her. She has a song called
Speaker 1: Anywhere with You. People love us, love that goddamn song.
Speaker 2: I'm loved because she Also she was supposed to drop
Speaker 2: like this special that's be like over hit songs that
Speaker 2: she was gonna sing. And I was like, I may
Speaker 2: watch this and but and people have people have rumored
Speaker 2: for years that she may not be, that she may
Speaker 2: be a little you know, Trump, a little trum pet.
Speaker 2: But but it was confirm and I said, oh no,
Speaker 2: and she she was like, she's like, we have we
Speaker 2: have to be unified. And I said, girl, fuck you,
Speaker 2: you're not you were not quean with deep a girl
Speaker 2: you and not ta No, that's not for you. Booth
Speaker 2: that her.
Speaker 1: Also fucked the with the y m c A people too,
Speaker 1: because they perform it on Monday.
Speaker 2: Oh they do? Huh they again? Is it them or
Speaker 2: just the dude from the y m c A. It's
Speaker 2: just all of them all singing that terrible as Also,
Speaker 2: no man Pam to this band on TikTok. They're closing
Speaker 2: on Sunday. I'm bad because I have friends who work
Speaker 2: on TikTok. But I'm just saying I know they'nna be
Speaker 2: pissed off they when they can't go into the jobs.
Speaker 1: Word on the curb is I don't think we may
Speaker 1: have to worry.
Speaker 2: We may, we may not. There will depends. There's a
Speaker 2: guy who said he buy it, but I know if
Speaker 2: he's being serious.
Speaker 1: And they're also saying that we're going to get a
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy day stay.
Speaker 2: Well, so people are saying that the new president will
Speaker 2: do this as his first thing to like make him
Speaker 2: seem like it's for the people, and I just I
Speaker 2: hate that very much.
Speaker 1: Also that he'll undo all this to me what I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like girl, but so just trash to that. Yes, ma'am, Pam,
Speaker 2: I will say. I was searching on the news channels
Speaker 2: if i'd something to say yes about really got nothing.
Speaker 2: I guess it's not like yes, ma'am to us for
Speaker 2: being here, girl, because we could have said no, and
Speaker 2: we said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we really could have this week and it was
Speaker 1: I'm not going to even hold you. There was a moment,
Speaker 1: there was a moment today where I almost text you
Speaker 1: and said, bitch, can we record tomorrow because of the
Speaker 1: way I was feeling, And then I said no, get
Speaker 1: your black ass up. And go record, so that way,
Speaker 1: it's one less thing you have to worry about while
Speaker 1: you're traveling this week. So I hear you when I
Speaker 1: tell you, Like as much as it may seem like
Speaker 1: we're laughing and KEI king, it's just and like I said,
Speaker 1: this is what I've been saying a lot of the
Speaker 1: people in my circle. It's so hard to see like
Speaker 1: it just it feels like since January first, like not
Speaker 1: even January first, since December seventh, it has literally felt
Speaker 1: like one thing after another every every day, back to back,
Speaker 1: there's something else and I'm just going, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much energy I can have. So I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: very grateful for I guess I'll say that as my guest.
Speaker 1: Part of my guest, ma'am is I definitely want to say,
Speaker 1: so I'll start this way and then i'll end it
Speaker 1: with what I'm what I was about to say, So
Speaker 1: I'll say for me for this this week, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna it's a very simple guest, ma'am. I want to
Speaker 1: shout out white people who are actually using their platforms
Speaker 1: to do what's right. And what I mean by that
Speaker 1: is is and it can show up in any way,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about one specific thing, but I definitely
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out I have so. I was on
Speaker 1: her podcast last week. Meredith Flinch has a podcast called
Speaker 1: Ali Specific, And if you follow me on social you
Speaker 1: know I've mentioned why that why me being on that
Speaker 1: podcast was important. Go find my tweet or go find
Speaker 1: my my post. You'll see what I'm talking about. But
Speaker 1: what I what I do want to say is I've
Speaker 1: learned that Meredith is not just using her platform to
Speaker 1: further her platform, but she's helped several of black creators,
Speaker 1: some of the bigger black creators that you know of,
Speaker 1: she has had one that has helped them get to
Speaker 1: the level that they are at, including Francesca Ramsey. And
Speaker 1: so I definitely just want to say, like, I appreciate
Speaker 1: when when white like, like I said, I've I've said
Speaker 1: this over and over and again. I'm a huge fan
Speaker 1: of the the podcast.
Speaker 2: Uh, what is it?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of it. I can see I
Speaker 1: can see their faces, but I cannot say the name
Speaker 1: of the podcast. I'm blanking because I'm tired, y'all. But
Speaker 1: I listen to it every Tuesday, every Thursday. I've had it.
Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to shout out them, the women on
Speaker 1: I've had it. They are constantly talking about black liberation.
Speaker 1: They're constantly talking about, you know, the things that need
Speaker 1: to be talked about, and I'm just I'm at a
Speaker 1: place now where it's like you, I don't care about
Speaker 1: you being a good white person. I need you to
Speaker 1: do something. That's it. And when I say, do something,
Speaker 1: that means anything to eradicate this and to make this
Speaker 1: world better for people who look and live like me.
Speaker 1: So again, Jesus, like, I know that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of white people right now that I want to
Speaker 1: give the side eye because I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that they voted for that man. They have family who
Speaker 1: voted for that man, and they could have done more
Speaker 1: to get us to a place. But I'm also but
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend my time like mulling over
Speaker 1: that over and over and over again. I want to
Speaker 1: celebrate the people who are actually doing good work, the
Speaker 1: women and the men and the queers and the trans
Speaker 1: people who are making space for people who look and
Speaker 1: live like me and are saying I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do what I can to uplift you. So I definitely
Speaker 1: wanted to make that my yes man for this week,
Speaker 1: my no ma'am. So I was reveling with a few
Speaker 1: other things. But today as I was driving home for
Speaker 1: running errands, this thought came to mind. Actually, while I
Speaker 1: was listening to the I've Hatted podcast, I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: my no man, Pam this week, are maga people who
Speaker 1: make maga their personality. And what I mean by that
Speaker 1: is like the way I was thinking about it in
Speaker 1: the car, Like the only way I can say it
Speaker 1: is this, if you have if you if if being
Speaker 1: a part of a group of of a sect of
Speaker 1: people is the only thing, because I know someone would say, oh,
Speaker 1: well you make lgb being lgbt Q your identity, you
Speaker 1: make being black your identity. Well, nigga, that's who I am. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it, and I'm gonna create around
Speaker 1: that and I'm going to move throughout this world because
Speaker 1: I can't get away from those things. Maga is a choice.
Speaker 1: So you are making a belief system, a sect of people,
Speaker 1: a sect of a group of things, you're a person
Speaker 1: that that to me is what's scary. I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: say it this way. I think the only way I
Speaker 1: can say it so it makes sense to people who
Speaker 1: are who might be listening, is that if you have
Speaker 1: to being a part of a certain group of people
Speaker 1: or a part of some type of organization your personality, Baby,
Speaker 1: you're in a cult. I just I That's the only
Speaker 1: way I can say it. If the if everything you
Speaker 1: do comes back to that thing. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: just talking about I'm talking about anything. You're You're a
Speaker 1: part of a cult, right. I don't make Beyonce my personality.
Speaker 1: I love that woman to death. She can't do no
Speaker 1: wrong in my eyes. But the reality for me is
Speaker 1: is that that's not my whole personality. I'm so much
Speaker 1: bored beyond.
Speaker 2: Maga bumma stickers. There's this dude who drives in relevant Hillcrest.
Speaker 2: This dude drives at least once a week in his
Speaker 2: big ass pickup truck with four Trump flocks on his backwagon.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what, just why, Like why.
Speaker 1: You are a part of a cult. You've been you
Speaker 1: have been brainwashed, because you're now letting this thing, these people,
Speaker 1: this organization, whatever you want to call it, control the
Speaker 1: way you think, control the way you move, the way
Speaker 1: you treat people, the way that you respond to people like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's it's exhausting to watch. And
Speaker 1: so I'm just in this place of like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really trying not to let what's gonna happen in the
Speaker 1: next four years bug me that much, because I know
Speaker 1: that's what they want. They want us to be bugged.
Speaker 1: They want us to stop talking, they want us to
Speaker 1: shut down shop, they want us to go away.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not going away. We're not going away as long
Speaker 1: as we can, as long as we get a chance
Speaker 1: to plug this mic in every week to talk our
Speaker 1: ship and to be strong and to be strong black
Speaker 1: queer people. Honey, We're not going anywhere. But I just
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, like, I'm just sick of
Speaker 1: people making that their personality. It's just it's what's the point, trash.
Speaker 2: It's trash.
Speaker 1: So I'm over it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's that's all I got this week. Okay, Well, with
Speaker 1: that being said, we're gonna have wrap up shop. Please
Speaker 1: send us your thoughts, your feedback, and email to blackfetfepod
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. You can send us your thoughts
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Speaker 1: and disguise of Blue, the Skies of Blue. We are
Speaker 1: over there using they hand no black fatfmpod. We are
Speaker 1: no longer on ex exed. Lord, I'm already we are
Speaker 1: no longer on X. That place in Elon Musk is
Speaker 1: dead to us. So with that being said, Queen Jojo,
Speaker 1: where can the dogs find you?
Speaker 2: Of course, loves as alway as you can find me
Speaker 2: at Joehodanel's across All Socials or my website, girl, what's
Speaker 2: my name? Nana said that real quick, I am screaming.
Speaker 2: Of course you can find me at Joe Hoo Dane's
Speaker 2: across all the Socials or my website Jordan Daniels dot com.
Speaker 2: If not there, you will find me. Know what you
Speaker 2: will find me? Where will you find me? Girl? I
Speaker 2: have no idea because I have no where to be seen? Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Tonight a new episode of Traders is coming on, so
Speaker 1: what know tonight? Tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Tomorrow? Wait? I thought they came on a Wednesday on Thursday's. Baby,
Speaker 2: I'm watching it tomorrow. Some shit, don't you worry? I
Speaker 2: watched you. I should do bitch, you give me an idea?
Speaker 2: I should be doing that girl, you'll find me take
Speaker 2: my big mic everywhere on these streets.
Speaker 1: Okay, girl, Yeah, being out there with your with your microphone.
Speaker 1: You should be interviewing people. Yeah, interview people down in
Speaker 1: San Diego about things.
Speaker 2: No, so, I mean so so I just did this.
Speaker 2: There is this queer Queer Professionals group and I just
Speaker 2: did like a little thing with them where I ask people, no,
Speaker 2: I want tell them my show because I want I
Speaker 2: want no one stealing our ideas.
Speaker 1: No, don't say it on the air. Don't sit it
Speaker 1: on the air, because I'm telling you right now, somebody
Speaker 1: will come out with your ship and then you'll be
Speaker 1: mad as hell that you said it on the air,
Speaker 1: and somebody will try to act like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know. I'm just like, just ain't came out with it. No,
Speaker 1: you didn't. You stole it. People like to steal other
Speaker 1: people's ideas. So don't say it on the air. But
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you are getting into your content,
Speaker 1: girly bag. I really'll it's more than I'll ever be
Speaker 1: able to do because I am not a con like
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not gonna be that girl that is
Speaker 1: going to run out with the video camera and then
Speaker 1: come back and edit it and put it up online.
Speaker 1: Y'all not gonna. I won't. I probably will never be
Speaker 1: that girl, and I'm sorry. I'm kind of sorry about it,
Speaker 1: kind of. But as for me, I'm what I will
Speaker 1: do is I will write and there's a book that
Speaker 1: you should buy, So head on down to the ww
Speaker 1: dot doctor Johnpaul dot com. You can find me on socials,
Speaker 1: but you can also find me on the corner telling
Speaker 1: people and passing out fliers letting the girls know that
Speaker 1: this book is coming out and you need to pre
Speaker 1: order it because we are, what about around sixty something
Speaker 1: days away from the release, and if you don't have
Speaker 1: your pre your pre release, you're already doing a disservice
Speaker 1: to black fat fems. Yes, I'm gonna, I'm gonna shame
Speaker 1: you into buying my book. Buy my book. Otherwise, I'm
Speaker 1: exclusively on Blue Scott and Instagram and threads. If you
Speaker 1: try to find me on Facebook, good luck with that
Speaker 1: because I rarely use it anyway. With that being said,
Speaker 1: we want to thank our producer By Wang for handling
Speaker 1: all the logistics and everyone down to the I Halt
Speaker 1: Media so keeping this show up and running honey, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you so much room to keep the show moving
Speaker 1: and going. We also like to shout out our wonderful editor,
Speaker 1: Chris Rogers, because without him, we wouldn't have no click
Speaker 1: click click click. If that be no visuals, that'd be
Speaker 1: no show. There'd be nothing in your ear for us
Speaker 1: for you to listen to. It'd be a really sad day,
Speaker 1: be a really sad day without Chris around these parts.
Speaker 1: So Chris, we love you and thank you so for
Speaker 1: all that you do for the Blackfefin Podcast. This has
Speaker 1: been another show. Stay black Fat, feeling fabulous and what
Speaker 1: show hot.
Speaker 2: Remember we may not be your cup of tea, but
Speaker 2: baby probably anyway it.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I know that's right. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1: Love us for real fight