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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December twenty eight, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety seven. Welcome to another edition. Happy Birthday, Derek,
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday, Derek, going, Yeah, keep goingep going. I want
Speaker 1: to hear the whole Daniels fanlies. Yeah, yeah, that's all
Speaker 1: I got. Alright, there we go. Oh, now you got
Speaker 1: the real one. Beautiful, beautiful Shanley san Ley fifty. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not far though, I am not far. I'm rounding that.
Speaker 1: I'm rounding the corner Smith now, Yes, I'm forty five
Speaker 1: years old man, rounding the corner to fifty. Huh. I
Speaker 1: didn't know if it was out for Morris or I
Speaker 1: can't even believe that. Like when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: when I thought about forty five or fifty, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so a grandpa. Yeah, I do not. You don't
Speaker 1: feel old like so you're telling us like that, shut
Speaker 1: up about twenty five and twenty nine. Yeah, exactly, you don't.
Speaker 1: You have it, but you but I understand it, like
Speaker 1: when you're eighteen or nineteen, you think twenty five is
Speaker 1: yeah old, thirty is you know, and forty five geez wow,
Speaker 1: yeah you're heading toward death, you know. So, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that. I still feel just as young
Speaker 1: and surprised I did when I was twenty well no, yeah,
Speaker 1: like when I was like thirty two. Man, I got
Speaker 1: out of bed this morning. I I slept in and
Speaker 1: I looked at it the phone, and it was like
Speaker 1: derk Eagleton just completed a run. So hey, I got
Speaker 1: to sleep in though before I got that run. That's
Speaker 1: always a good thing, good for you. Family isn't in
Speaker 1: town right now, so I actually got to sit and
Speaker 1: watch in front of a fire, watched the Texas game
Speaker 1: last night. They get a win, eat some good popados,
Speaker 1: and man, it was a good evening. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a great evening. It was like good evening. Family back today,
Speaker 1: So then I get to celebrate with them tonight. All right,
Speaker 1: So let's talk to what was that I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know what, it was a bad timing for
Speaker 1: the really bad timing for that. I need to be
Speaker 1: in my personal business, like I'll say it for myself.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some let's get some Cowboys football. UM.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Dez Bryant. We talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about this yesterday, but then the media got
Speaker 1: to the locker room and so they had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to Dez and it's pretty interesting. UM, I'll
Speaker 1: just let's listen to what he had to say first
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of dissect some of that. I
Speaker 1: think Ken has some of that audio pulled up. KI,
Speaker 1: what do you have? Yeah, so I have. This is
Speaker 1: the first cut when he was initially asked about why
Speaker 1: he's frustrated and why he wanted the media to be
Speaker 1: around his locker for the next ten minutes or so.
Speaker 1: All right, season, I feel like for the most part, um,
Speaker 1: I can only I can only do what you know
Speaker 1: I can control. Yeah, and a bitter times, hell, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, frustrating, you know, you know, certain situations you
Speaker 1: know that I couldn't control. But other than that, UM,
Speaker 1: I believe who I am. I'm I'm a head of
Speaker 1: a football player. I know that. I believe that. You know,
Speaker 1: I let a lot of things get in a way
Speaker 1: that bothered me mentally, and you know, um, I felt like, um,
Speaker 1: if anything, UM, I need to deal with an offseason,
Speaker 1: you know, it is that. You know, just like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, UM, only certain things I can control. That's it,
Speaker 1: all right? That was des brian locker room yesterday. That
Speaker 1: was the theme. That was the theme of the day.
Speaker 1: What control, control, what I can control? Know? He actually
Speaker 1: tweeted that two two or three days ago. Now how
Speaker 1: did that go? But then said the same thing. He
Speaker 1: he said that same quote control which you can control?
Speaker 1: So let me ask, almost like somebody around him and
Speaker 1: repeats it all time, but it did. It did to me,
Speaker 1: and Des even talked about this a little later. It
Speaker 1: did seem like they were pointing to the fact that
Speaker 1: there were things that are beyond their control that are
Speaker 1: causing a certain amount of frustration. And it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's more with regard to scheme and and kind of
Speaker 1: some of the things that are that maybe the offense
Speaker 1: that's happening within the offense that they can't control, which
Speaker 1: then points immediately to the offensive coordinator. Did you guys
Speaker 1: get that impression? And if so, do you think that
Speaker 1: that maybe creates a little bit more of a tough
Speaker 1: situation for the offensive coordinator, because obviously Jerry would at
Speaker 1: some point I would assume and Dees said he's gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Jerry that at some point this gets back
Speaker 1: to Jerry, and Jerry maybe thinks, hey, I need to
Speaker 1: keep my players happy. Yeah, I mean I didn't take
Speaker 1: much of it. I mean, it's like, are you going
Speaker 1: to say something or you're not. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's no one likes the implier, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: so say it. I mean, like, what is it? What?
Speaker 1: What can you control? Because really you're talking to a
Speaker 1: group of people who are going to report it to
Speaker 1: a larger group of people that just see dropped passes,
Speaker 1: They see the ball hitting your hands, they see you know,
Speaker 1: plays over the middle where you know, and and a
Speaker 1: deep ball in the Giants game hits you right in
Speaker 1: the face. I mean, they just that's what we see.
Speaker 1: So what else is there? You know? And is there
Speaker 1: something else? And you're not really saying it. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of vague, like, well, there's there's more to it.
Speaker 1: You don't know, and well, no, we don't know, but
Speaker 1: so and they get mad at the media for speculating,
Speaker 1: but that's really all that they're left to do. And
Speaker 1: then I know later he said some other things, but
Speaker 1: there's a you know that about injury. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're going to get to that, but that's that's
Speaker 1: not a good thing either. Well yeah, and to your point, like, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't come away with the impression that you did
Speaker 1: at all, because the stuff about the scheme and Scott
Speaker 1: Lenahan came about eight to twelve minutes into a sixteen
Speaker 1: minute press conference, and it's almost to a point where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what's bothering you dead? Is it the scheme? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's part of it, is it? Like is it
Speaker 1: the outside noise? Yeah, that's part of it. Like it's
Speaker 1: just there are a lot of things that were bothering him.
Speaker 1: Not just I thought it was so close to being
Speaker 1: a really good and productive media session, but like like
Speaker 1: Dez had to wherewithal to know that he was getting
Speaker 1: roasted in the media and by the fans, and he
Speaker 1: wanted to address it and he wanted to speak, but
Speaker 1: just smart, he really hasn't been visible in the media
Speaker 1: this year. I even went back and look, he's tweeted
Speaker 1: like six times since the season started. He hasn't done
Speaker 1: very many press sessions, like he's been real under the radar.
Speaker 1: And he comes out and, like I said, it was
Speaker 1: so close to being good, but he just kind of
Speaker 1: tailed off. He was like, well, I let some stuff
Speaker 1: bother me? Well, what bothered you? Did the scheme bother you?
Speaker 1: Did it bother you that you weren't getting enough touches?
Speaker 1: Did it bother you that people were talking mess about
Speaker 1: how you're not good anymore? Like? What? What was it?
Speaker 1: And he never really elaborated on that. He kind of
Speaker 1: and it kind of said all of it. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: basically was like, stuff's been bothering me this year, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. But that's pretty
Speaker 1: much where I'm at. And so then again that leaves
Speaker 1: a situation where it's like, well is it this is
Speaker 1: it that? Have you been healthy? No? I haven't been healthy.
Speaker 1: Are you pissed about the scheme? Yeah, I'm pissed about
Speaker 1: the scheme. I'm gonna talk to Jason and Jerry about
Speaker 1: that way. And then it just becomes a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything because he didn't really finish his thought in
Speaker 1: my opinion, but in saying, yeah, it's the scheme and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to Jerry and Jason about it, that's
Speaker 1: the part that to me kind of signaled that he
Speaker 1: at least feels like this is more about what's being
Speaker 1: done to him than what he's doing. And in that case,
Speaker 1: if that's what he's communicating to Jason and Jerry, does
Speaker 1: that affect Jason and Jerry's opinion on what they need
Speaker 1: to do as far as who's coordinating or how their
Speaker 1: coordinate because they may decide, hey, we're gonna keep Lenninghand
Speaker 1: the same role he's in, but maybe that means we
Speaker 1: gotta get des more involved because we feel like we're
Speaker 1: not using an asset and it's at its fullest potential.
Speaker 1: I just I if that was like this big deal
Speaker 1: and this central theme, I feel like it would have
Speaker 1: been higher up the list, and we went down the
Speaker 1: check mark and it came way down at the bottom,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't think Jason Garrett and Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones need Dez to talk to him to know that
Speaker 1: the way the passing game looks isn't gonna cut it.
Speaker 1: If you want to win games in the NFL, so
Speaker 1: I didn't. That didn't resonate that much with me among
Speaker 1: the two dozen other things that we talked about. That's
Speaker 1: just me though. All right, let's let's hear another clip.
Speaker 1: There was a clip where Dez talked about the contract,
Speaker 1: and we talked about that a little bit yesterday. What
Speaker 1: did you have to say about the contract? Kit He
Speaker 1: was asked if he would consider a pay cut, and
Speaker 1: this was his response, um, whenever. Um, I haven't had
Speaker 1: I haven't heard no talks about that. But if it comes,
Speaker 1: if it comes, well I don't know, probably not. Hell no, man,
Speaker 1: I believe me. I love that was so funny to me.
Speaker 1: I love the way he kind of came to that
Speaker 1: out loud, like he thought out loud in front of
Speaker 1: the world, basically like, well, you know, maybe we'll talk
Speaker 1: about I don't know about hell you know what it was.
Speaker 1: And somebody tweeted this to me. They were like, as
Speaker 1: he was talking, he literally thought about the amount of
Speaker 1: money that he would be giving back, and it got
Speaker 1: to wait, wait, well, hell no, I'm not giving my
Speaker 1: money back. What I'd take that money for me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: willingly signing it over to you, But I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting, especially coming out of the conversation we had
Speaker 1: yesterday on the air, Nick, when you were like, there's
Speaker 1: there's what I don't just said, well, your word, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way he's gonna play for
Speaker 1: that that cap hit. And you're thinking from standpoint of
Speaker 1: the organization, there's no way that they're going to go
Speaker 1: into next year what the contract as it currently is.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think you have to you
Speaker 1: have to cut him, or you have to ask for
Speaker 1: a pay cut. I don't really think you should restructure.
Speaker 1: That's one way to do it, just restructure it lower,
Speaker 1: but that you don't want to do that. You want
Speaker 1: you don't want to add years to this situation with
Speaker 1: he's getting up there in age, and you know, there
Speaker 1: was a time where we thought he was kind of
Speaker 1: injury prone from a backstandpoint, but that really hasn't flared
Speaker 1: up on him. But I just think that, you know,
Speaker 1: going back to what we said before getting open the
Speaker 1: scheme and all that, like that, that all sounds good
Speaker 1: because that used to be the issue, but now the
Speaker 1: biggest issue is just making plays like like catching the
Speaker 1: ball like he's been so sure handed over the course
Speaker 1: of his career, but now you almost feel like there's
Speaker 1: a confidence issue there. And the fact that he called
Speaker 1: reporters over there. He's never done that before. And I
Speaker 1: think what Dave said was right. I think he threw
Speaker 1: out this, this simple tweet that said, hey, I only
Speaker 1: can control what I can control it. I bet ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the responses, why don't you just control the
Speaker 1: football when it comes your way? No doubt, don't you
Speaker 1: control the pass? I read of the response and they
Speaker 1: and that's different for him, Yeah, to be on the
Speaker 1: other side of things, and I think he attempted the
Speaker 1: best he could to kind of reel this back into
Speaker 1: his favor. But it's hard to do that. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not it's hard to put it. And it also
Speaker 1: tells you, And this I think is really true. Everything
Speaker 1: that we see from the standpoint of how players played,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more complexity to just they played well
Speaker 1: or they didn't play well. And I think in this instance,
Speaker 1: what he was trying to express is some of those
Speaker 1: other things that may have affected his ability to play well. Now,
Speaker 1: whether whether they like what there are varying degrees to
Speaker 1: how much it affected it right, like there can be
Speaker 1: a little thing over here where yeah, I may have
Speaker 1: a little injury that could have affected a little bit,
Speaker 1: or it could have been the scheme affected it a lot.
Speaker 1: You don't know what the varying degrees are. But it's
Speaker 1: more complex than just saying a guy played well or
Speaker 1: a guy didn't play well. There are lots of reasons
Speaker 1: as to why that can take place or not. And
Speaker 1: I think he and I think a lot of players
Speaker 1: at times feel like when they're getting really roasted by
Speaker 1: fans and media, they felt gott to have to explain,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it can work against him because then it
Speaker 1: feels like they're just making excuses. Well and that I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it said yesterday felt like excuse making.
Speaker 1: There was some there was some good stuff in there,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it felt that way to me. Um.
Speaker 1: But then you know, at the same time, I think
Speaker 1: des he's way too good of a team player, Like
Speaker 1: he's not gonna go out there and just throw people
Speaker 1: under the bus, like but I felt like he wanted to.
Speaker 1: He kind of wanted to. He was like he was
Speaker 1: at the brink. If I really speak my mind and
Speaker 1: really try to exonerate myself. It's gonna not look good
Speaker 1: for a lot of other people, probably not for him,
Speaker 1: and and to his credit, he didn't do that. But then,
Speaker 1: like I said, you wind up just trying to It's like, guess,
Speaker 1: what's bothering Dez? Like you're just kind of well, is it?
Speaker 1: This is it? That is it? That's I mean, in
Speaker 1: the long run, it's a it's a good thing, Like
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing for him that he
Speaker 1: didn't do that, But it leads to frustration on our
Speaker 1: part because I don't really have much clearer of an
Speaker 1: answer than we did so at this point, based upon
Speaker 1: what he said yesterday, do you believe? I guess, Nick,
Speaker 1: do you still believe? Would you believe? And also beyond that,
Speaker 1: do you guys believe it ultimately ends up in a
Speaker 1: standoff with the team and maybe not on the team. Um,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, can we do a first you
Speaker 1: already said what you think? Can we do like a
Speaker 1: first take thing? Here? I think Dez is gonna play
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen at his current value, I do add here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a lot like the Brandon
Speaker 1: car thing, where we talk about it until we're blue
Speaker 1: in the face and then nothing ultimately happens. Like that's
Speaker 1: what I think is going to happen. So if that happens,
Speaker 1: what changes? What would change? Because I'm I'm open to
Speaker 1: that happening. If you bring in a different coordinator that
Speaker 1: can come in specifically and have to do things to
Speaker 1: try to get Dez the ball, you know or I
Speaker 1: don't know, you gotta do it. I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: He's got to get his confidence back up, you get
Speaker 1: you gotta fix it somehow, someway and I don't. Here's
Speaker 1: my problem. You can't. I mean you talked about trying
Speaker 1: or him himself talked about trying to get the ball more.
Speaker 1: There was a question in there too where someone asked
Speaker 1: him or told him, like, you know, you went into
Speaker 1: training camp knowing that this was a running game offense.
Speaker 1: You've seen the offense or dad trying to get him
Speaker 1: the ball plenty of times, and you hear about that
Speaker 1: on Twitter over and over, like why do they keep
Speaker 1: trying to force it on desk? And yes, there are
Speaker 1: many other factors and a lot more into the whole
Speaker 1: scheme and all that, but the reality is the times
Speaker 1: that he does get the ball where he should catch that,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't, he drops it, that goes. That has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with scheme or anything. That's just basic
Speaker 1: wide receiver abilities. Except he may make the claim when
Speaker 1: I'm like pining to get the ball when I haven't
Speaker 1: gotten the ball too for the first time until the
Speaker 1: second quarter, I'm not as into the floor of the game,
Speaker 1: and that's when middle mistakes happened. Now, again that's all
Speaker 1: excuse making to some degree, but I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: think that. Again, I don't. It doesn't strike me as
Speaker 1: and to be honest with I'm not even gonna single
Speaker 1: out dads. There are a lot of players on this
Speaker 1: team that aren't the first ones to step up and
Speaker 1: say my bad, no excuses my bad. Like, that's not
Speaker 1: what we hear from this locker room very often. Typically,
Speaker 1: if we hear anything, it's more in the line with well,
Speaker 1: this was why, or this was going on, or this
Speaker 1: was going on. So yeah, he's probably not gonna say that,
Speaker 1: but there's probably some some of that's probably what he's
Speaker 1: thinking that, Hey, if I was in the involved in
Speaker 1: the game from the very beginning, maybe I don't have
Speaker 1: all these mental mistakes because I'm more in the flow
Speaker 1: of what's going on compared to last year? Was he
Speaker 1: used more than this year? Probably? I think he probably
Speaker 1: got more targets. I don't know that for fact. Do
Speaker 1: you guys know that. I don't know his targets off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. But he had fewer receptions
Speaker 1: he did. I mean he missed three games actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I looked it up. Though he averaged he averaged
Speaker 1: three point eight receptions per game last year and he's
Speaker 1: averaging four and a half. I mean, it's not I
Speaker 1: want to say he's got more targets this Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I saw it's some kind of graphic that said
Speaker 1: he had a lot more targets this year. Probably in
Speaker 1: last year. Um, it felt like that's certainly at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, because there were games when he
Speaker 1: was getting what he had a game where he got
Speaker 1: targeted twenty times or something like that. Denver. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean so, so, yeah, he's he was getting targets. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm going at. It's like, it's not that they're
Speaker 1: not giving him the chance to it just hasn't worked out.
Speaker 1: Whatever the reason is. I wonder if like Gate more
Speaker 1: twenty eight more targets ninety six last year, one twenty
Speaker 1: four this year, that's a lot. Keep in mind he's
Speaker 1: played three more games too, So still if you just
Speaker 1: take those, if you if you take like the average
Speaker 1: and take three out, like, that's still more right. It
Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifty nine targets in twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: one nine, yeah, and one thirty six and fourteen, And
Speaker 1: where's he this year when twenty four So after this
Speaker 1: game he'll probably have right there in line with the
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Yeah, he'll probably be at like I know,
Speaker 1: Philly ten. Maybe, yeah, probably, I'm guessing too. I wonder
Speaker 1: if I wonder if like they bought into their own
Speaker 1: hype too much in the sense that like it was like, well,
Speaker 1: last year, you know, rookie quarterback, we're just gonna get
Speaker 1: take what we can get, you know, Dez, you're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to play ball. And Dez played ball because
Speaker 1: he was still getting catches and touchdowns and they were
Speaker 1: winning winnings in a row. Then you turn that around
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, year two, we're gonna make the leap.
Speaker 1: Deck's no sophomore slump here, and that's gotta be mean
Speaker 1: Dez and Deck and I mean at least through the
Speaker 1: first like six weeks of the season, it sure looked
Speaker 1: like that where it was like, we gotta gets the
Speaker 1: ball des and deck. You mean, you know how many
Speaker 1: how many of those first few games the Giants game,
Speaker 1: right off the bat going to Dez like three times
Speaker 1: in a row in the red zone the Denver game,
Speaker 1: It's like every throw he threw was in Dez's direction.
Speaker 1: And it seems like they kind of corrected that as
Speaker 1: the season went on, But I think there was a
Speaker 1: little bit to that where you're just like, well, we
Speaker 1: gotta make this happen, even if defenses, even if we
Speaker 1: know defenses are gonna try to take it away, we
Speaker 1: got to this happened. You think Dez is a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl alternate? No, yeah, you can say that, like, no,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I don't. Yeah, I don't have
Speaker 1: the stats pulled up. Well, I mean I wouldn't think
Speaker 1: so either. But he made it last year. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like last year's no where he's He's not
Speaker 1: even top ten? Is he? All? I'm saying touchdowns? Hold on,
Speaker 1: he made the Pro Bowl last year. He had fifty catches,
Speaker 1: seven ninety six eight touchdowns. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you're a Pro Bowl alternate for that, but he did,
Speaker 1: and he made it this year. He's got sixty six catches,
Speaker 1: eight fifteen and six touchdowns. That's that's my point though, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I wouldn't think so either, But that
Speaker 1: is maybe ye if. But he played well last year,
Speaker 1: like he really did. I think it's what you saw
Speaker 1: that it didn't look like this year. No, you know
Speaker 1: that that's if he were to make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's just the epitome of like stat watching, Like I
Speaker 1: don't care what his stats say. He was bad this
Speaker 1: year by top receiver standards. He he was not a
Speaker 1: focal point of the offense last year, but he was
Speaker 1: good and he came up big often. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I've said it like three days in a row now Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Minnesota. He was like the only thing that
Speaker 1: was working for the offense in Minnesota that they scored
Speaker 1: seventeen points. Did he have a single like what games
Speaker 1: this year? Was there a game where it was the
Speaker 1: Dez game at all oh um And that's the that's
Speaker 1: the difference that he had six he had he had
Speaker 1: sixty yards and I mean he broke he broke that
Speaker 1: game in New York where he got him on the board.
Speaker 1: I mean that was probably the closest you could say,
Speaker 1: and that was his best play of the year by far.
Speaker 1: But it also we talked about the touchdown, the fifty
Speaker 1: seven yard yeah, but it also followed a play where
Speaker 1: he got hit in the face. The ball hit him
Speaker 1: in the face. Yeah, and he's on the sideline. I'm
Speaker 1: struggling right now. He's got six touchdowns. His his touchdown
Speaker 1: against Washington was better than that touchdown, right. He had
Speaker 1: a ninety eight yard game against the Rams, seventy three
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs. Yeah, he played. I mean he's had some,
Speaker 1: but there hasn't been a Dez game like Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that I think the touchdown against the Giants that was
Speaker 1: vintage Diaz. Make the catch, get a guy off you,
Speaker 1: and then run for a touchdown Like that's Dez. Have
Speaker 1: we seen that at all beyond other than that game?
Speaker 1: Have we seen that this season? You know? And I
Speaker 1: think that's the part where Nick, to answer your question,
Speaker 1: the reason why I think you'd become an alternate for
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is because people that watched him play
Speaker 1: last year saw Dez doing Dez things. This year, if
Speaker 1: you watch the game, no matter what the stats might say,
Speaker 1: you didn't see Dez doing Dez things very often. Right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I do want to change the subject. We want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about who's playing this weekend. I
Speaker 1: know Jason Garrett yesterday made mention of the fact that
Speaker 1: if you're able bodied and you're out there, I mean,
Speaker 1: and you can be out there, you will be out
Speaker 1: there to play. We're gonna ask you, guys, whether that's
Speaker 1: the right approach. We'll talk about that when we come
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Speaker 1: of the breaklaf from the SWBC Mortgag Studios at the Star,
Speaker 1: We're talking Cowboys were talking and Dez Bryant. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the Eagles game yesterday.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett says that the able body players will play
Speaker 1: and there won't be a situation. This won't be a
Speaker 1: situation where in the final game of the season he
Speaker 1: sits starters in order to get young guys playing time
Speaker 1: or to avoid potential injuries. What do you guys to
Speaker 1: think about that? Just as a philosophy, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? Dave? I know you're pretty pretty strong
Speaker 1: the other way, What are your thoughts. I think it's
Speaker 1: a bad idea. I think it's a potentially ruinous idea.
Speaker 1: Really and all ooh, that's pretty strong. Go take a
Speaker 1: look at And this was in a game that mattered,
Speaker 1: This was in a game that had a lot of implications.
Speaker 1: That's not my point. But Carson wentz towards ACL two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and now, I mean, you're in December, you're
Speaker 1: talking about when's he gonna be ready? Robert Griffin another again,
Speaker 1: a very meaningful game, a playoff game, but jeopardized his
Speaker 1: whole offseason. You know that he was all in on
Speaker 1: opening day. He never really got back to form. And
Speaker 1: I mean, Tyron Smith's probably not going to play in
Speaker 1: this game because he can't. So I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: send your quarterback out there, You're gonna send your running
Speaker 1: back out there without all pro left tackle protection in
Speaker 1: a game that you stand to gain nothing from. There's
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't buy the momentum argument, because as
Speaker 1: soon as this game's over, you're you're off for seven months.
Speaker 1: I get I get that there's pride on the line.
Speaker 1: I get that there's fans that paid money to see this,
Speaker 1: but I just think there's too much to lose and
Speaker 1: nowhere near enough to gain to just be willy nilly
Speaker 1: throwing everybody out here, risking injury in a game that
Speaker 1: ultimately doesn't add up too much. And I'm obviously mathematically
Speaker 1: you can't sit every player on the team, but I
Speaker 1: would go to great lengths to protect my good players
Speaker 1: in this game. But does Jason run the risk? We
Speaker 1: know because we're around here all the T shirts and
Speaker 1: all the signs and everything that talks about maximum effort
Speaker 1: every day, no matter what the circumstance, whether you're playing
Speaker 1: on the Moon or you're playing at at and T
Speaker 1: Stadium or wherever else. I mean, the point is that
Speaker 1: what he preaches to them is every day, we're gonna
Speaker 1: show up, and we're gonna because we're professionals, we're gonna
Speaker 1: show up, we're gonna do our jobs. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: it extremely well every single day. And does that chip
Speaker 1: away at the message if he goes into a game
Speaker 1: where he says, well, this game, by virtue of sitting
Speaker 1: guys is not as important, so let's not worry about
Speaker 1: as much, because that's really what the message is. If
Speaker 1: you start saying, well, we're gonna decide who's gonna play
Speaker 1: and who's not gonna play. I have my own thoughts,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna let I mean, if Nick has an
Speaker 1: opinion on the wall, let him go. I definitely think
Speaker 1: that that they should they should play. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's probably a way to do it like they did
Speaker 1: last year's game, where you know, you're playing some guys
Speaker 1: and kind of see how the flow of the game goes.
Speaker 1: But you know, I still kind of feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: Jason says it all the time. You know, you got
Speaker 1: sixteen of these games, and and I think you are
Speaker 1: trying to build towards next year, and especially with you
Speaker 1: guy like Zeke that's been out six weeks, and if
Speaker 1: you got a quarterback in a wide receiver that earned
Speaker 1: on the same page, I mean, you know what what
Speaker 1: better way to try to do that than then, you know,
Speaker 1: play some football games. Would would an injury be be bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be it. But I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going out there, I'm trying to win
Speaker 1: this game. I think that Jason needs it. I think
Speaker 1: this team needs it, you know, And I just I
Speaker 1: keep harping back on you don't get many of these opportunities.
Speaker 1: This is and you said it, some of those arguments
Speaker 1: that you said, I believe in. I mean, unless they're
Speaker 1: gonna cut the prices of the game. You know, somebody's
Speaker 1: Christmas present was to go to this football game, and
Speaker 1: you know you're not giving them full effort if you
Speaker 1: if you're not doing that, So I would play them
Speaker 1: this game now if it got if somebody was banged
Speaker 1: up and limping around, then no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: I understand that part. But Zeke's healthy. I think Zeke
Speaker 1: should play. It's my opinion. Are you going to say
Speaker 1: I thought about what really what you were saying it
Speaker 1: is like, well the message is maximum effort and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. These guys are professionals in the other sense too,
Speaker 1: Like if you can't separate, you should be able to
Speaker 1: separate these two things, like you should you look at
Speaker 1: this and say, well, this is this is a different situation,
Speaker 1: like this is this this game has no implications. In
Speaker 1: three hours, the season will be over on Monday morning.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in the locker room and clean out
Speaker 1: our lockers. Like I would like to think that you
Speaker 1: can draw a line. You should be able to draw
Speaker 1: a line between big difference between should and do right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're dealing with humans, you're dealing with people,
Speaker 1: you're dealing you're dealing with professionals though, and I think
Speaker 1: there you should be able to tell the difference between
Speaker 1: like you're a professional football player and in some instances,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of an analogy for our careers.
Speaker 1: But like, in some instances this makes sense. And like
Speaker 1: I said, it's these guys are assets and it's asset management.
Speaker 1: And I think you, you know, Dak Prescott might want
Speaker 1: to play in this game as a competitor, but I
Speaker 1: think he would understand fourth preseason Game of the Year absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think I think he would understand if they were
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe Dak. But I will tell you this,
Speaker 1: and you say you want to draw parallels to just
Speaker 1: our our careers, I mean the fact is you'd be surprised.
Speaker 1: When you've got a group of people. There are always
Speaker 1: people that you say they should know better or they
Speaker 1: should understand this, and they don't because people are people,
Speaker 1: and people are gonna draw whatever conclusion fits whatever narrative
Speaker 1: they want it to be in their minds. They're gonna
Speaker 1: draw that comcasion. I can't speak for a room full
Speaker 1: of football players. But again, to draw an analogy to
Speaker 1: our careers. Christmas Eve, they play like crap. They lose
Speaker 1: by two possessions to the Seahawks to virtually end the season,
Speaker 1: and the move, I mean, the line from our group
Speaker 1: in the press box is like, all right, let's handle
Speaker 1: our business, let's do what we gotta do, but like,
Speaker 1: let's get out of here, let's go see our families.
Speaker 1: Let's not kill ourselves the night before a holiday over
Speaker 1: a game that has no I got I got my
Speaker 1: work done, but it was not as it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be what it was if we had won. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be what it was after a week one when
Speaker 1: we beat the Giants. It's not the same amount of
Speaker 1: We didn't do shows on Monday morning. It was a Monday,
Speaker 1: but it's a holiday. But that doesn't mean we don't
Speaker 1: work just as hard. You know that if they would
Speaker 1: have won that game, we're not doing shows on Monday.
Speaker 1: You know that. And you know we would have left
Speaker 1: the press box at the same time out Definitely not
Speaker 1: if we had won, definitely not. I left like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half earlier than I would. The stories
Speaker 1: were the same. Yeah, but there's more that we could
Speaker 1: have done. Like I could have stayed. I could have
Speaker 1: stayed to edit Brian's stuff in the press box instead
Speaker 1: of going home like I usually do. Or I could
Speaker 1: have you know, there's I could have written more blog posts.
Speaker 1: But I do what I had to do. And here's
Speaker 1: how I feel about this situation. You do play sixteen games,
Speaker 1: that's your job. That you say about being a professional,
Speaker 1: they're professional. You get paid to do so. Now being
Speaker 1: sitting out of a game, to me, that's like a
Speaker 1: privilege if you get to that point, not injury wise
Speaker 1: or not that you're being inactive. You know, if we
Speaker 1: get to this point to a game that doesn't actually matter,
Speaker 1: but they don't. They shouldn't be getting rewarded or not rewarded.
Speaker 1: You don't get that privilege. How do you have a
Speaker 1: good season even though you're out of the playoffs, then yeah,
Speaker 1: would be feeling good, like yeah, go ahead and sit down,
Speaker 1: but they haven't, Like you can be okay, we're good.
Speaker 1: Let's just prevent injury. First of all, that's your job.
Speaker 1: You finish the season and that's it. They don't deserve
Speaker 1: to sit out that is, haven't done what they needed
Speaker 1: to do this season to get that is? That is
Speaker 1: an admirable sentiment for like a high school team. This
Speaker 1: is a billion dollar business and what's worth Like, is
Speaker 1: it worse if you kind of admit this game doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything and you sit this guy down and it's
Speaker 1: not like the fiercest spirit of the competition, Or is
Speaker 1: it worse if Ezekiel Elliot tears his ACL in the
Speaker 1: second quarter of a BS game eight months before the
Speaker 1: season starts, and now we're sitting here speculating about if
Speaker 1: he's going to be ready? Like, what way those two
Speaker 1: things in your mind? And tell me which is really worse? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I think that that's the nature of football. The
Speaker 1: nature of football is that guess what, when you got
Speaker 1: to practice today, someone can share their ACL. So so
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is if you're playing those games of
Speaker 1: well this could happen, then in football you have to
Speaker 1: get nothing done. We're having If you're gonna play football,
Speaker 1: you gotta play for We're having the same argument we
Speaker 1: had in the summer, right, which about training camp. Right,
Speaker 1: It's obviously football comes with some inherent risk, right, but
Speaker 1: you can mitigate those risks by not taking them. Oh,
Speaker 1: you cannot mitigate those, Yes you can. They have to practice. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have to play in the games when they matter. Yes,
Speaker 1: they don't have to play in games that don't matter.
Speaker 1: So that you only got forty six guys at whole
Speaker 1: minutes of risk, that you're subjecting yourself too, that you
Speaker 1: don't have to Yeah, again, I kind of agree with
Speaker 1: Amber from the standpoint that you get. You're paid to
Speaker 1: play sixteen weeks, and it's one thing if you've earned
Speaker 1: the right to be hold on it's one thing if
Speaker 1: you've earned the right to be able to sit because
Speaker 1: you've gotten to the point where you've wrapped up everything
Speaker 1: you can wrap up. You are the first seed in
Speaker 1: your division. You're going to the playoffs. You've deserved, you've
Speaker 1: earned a rest. They aren't going to the playoffs. So
Speaker 1: play your sixteen games that you you haven't earned the
Speaker 1: right to be able to sit and not play that
Speaker 1: final game. And because of that, you got to go
Speaker 1: out and you all gonna play, and you should want
Speaker 1: to play, because again, you get sixteen of these every year.
Speaker 1: And I get your point, Dave, I totally understand it.
Speaker 1: And if we come back on Monday morning and knock
Speaker 1: on Wood, one of the major players for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: got an injury. It's gonna be like there will be
Speaker 1: questions about whether he should have played. And I get
Speaker 1: all that, but I still believe that Again, when you're
Speaker 1: playing football, you have to understand that injuries are part
Speaker 1: of the game and if you sustain one at whatever point,
Speaker 1: I don't think you stopped playing the game because of
Speaker 1: the risk of injury. You have to keep playing. You
Speaker 1: gotta go through it. And if you get hurt, you
Speaker 1: get hurt. You deal with that. And I'm sure they
Speaker 1: all want to play too. Oh, I'm not questioning that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they. I mean, Dak said, I'll be damned
Speaker 1: if I let the season end on the note that
Speaker 1: ended on Sunday. That's that's fine, and I expect that
Speaker 1: from them. There are people above them. Again, Yes, these
Speaker 1: guys are professional football players and they're paid to play football.
Speaker 1: They're also they're paid to be assets for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They are paid to make this organization money and win
Speaker 1: football games. And in the big picture, I don't know
Speaker 1: that them playing in this game is in anybody's best interest,
Speaker 1: but I bet most of them will anyway, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not like I'm gonna be wrong on this, Like Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna play, Jason Witten is definitely gonna be out, like
Speaker 1: and maybe they'll come out at some point during the game,
Speaker 1: Like maybe they will play it like last week. That's
Speaker 1: what I expect. I like, I expect Cooper Rush to
Speaker 1: be in there in the second at some point. I'll
Speaker 1: be surprised if he's not. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's
Speaker 1: what I would expect. But either way, like I said,
Speaker 1: I know that I'm on the losing side of this argument,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't think it's worth well. I
Speaker 1: don't remember last year when they've sent what seven eight
Speaker 1: guys to the Pro Bowl, Like I don't remember that
Speaker 1: conversation that we had. Maybe we did. I mean in
Speaker 1: this game, do you hate the Pro Bowl as well?
Speaker 1: Because the Pro Bowl? I mean, think about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean that's another month that they're that they're playing
Speaker 1: closer to the season. Now, are they going one hundred percent?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not, but sometimes that could be even more dangerous.
Speaker 1: I give them, I give the Pro Bowl a bit
Speaker 1: of a pass because I've watched it and I know
Speaker 1: that it's a joke compared to real football. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if they wanted to scrap the Pro Bowl and just
Speaker 1: take those guys to a dinner, I wouldn't give a
Speaker 1: craplay right, the Pro Bowl dinner? No serious, Nobody likes
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl and like to play in it. I
Speaker 1: give it a little bit of a pass because, like
Speaker 1: I said, like I could say that, but they still
Speaker 1: get decent ratings for that. Of course they do as
Speaker 1: football I'm saying, so, so somebody likes it. I people
Speaker 1: love to turn it on and talk about how much
Speaker 1: they hate It's like that's it's It's like, okay, that's
Speaker 1: what it's like. I can't believe people watch the old matters.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, I I would be I
Speaker 1: would not mind scrapping the Pro Bowl. I I don't
Speaker 1: worry about it as much as other things because it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's too hand touch basically for the most part.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but as we saw in the Pro Bowl volume,
Speaker 1: I mean the Bowl, the Beach Rookie Pro Bowl Game?
Speaker 1: What was that? What was the guy's name? The runner
Speaker 1: Bert Robert Edward tears up his knee like it doesn't
Speaker 1: take much as far as like touch or hit or whatever.
Speaker 1: The fact is, if they're playing football, they're playing football.
Speaker 1: Injury that's happen. That's why fights happening. It's a lot
Speaker 1: just your training camp or whatever. Because one guy's going
Speaker 1: one guy's going seventy five, and you know, in the game,
Speaker 1: seventy five gets mad because you're going night. H Are
Speaker 1: you going nine? Yeah? Because I'm trying to make the team.
Speaker 1: And sometimes that happens in the Pro Bowl because you
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what level you get. This guy that's
Speaker 1: there for the first time. Everybody about to show out
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite memory of the Pro Bowls when Sean Taylor
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed that guy, Which it's a great it's a
Speaker 1: great clip. But at the same time, you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: you did that in an All Star game, Like really,
Speaker 1: well the punter was it was a fake punt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just fake punt right, Hey wait, I mean
Speaker 1: ball's football. John Taylor was one of my favorites ever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, he could hit all right. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: also take questions on Twitter. Really good points, really good
Speaker 1: point that I saw on Twitter just now, which, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Eagles played all their guys for four quarters last
Speaker 1: year in this and one and they won. Good for them,
Speaker 1: and it propelled them. Is that? Is that what happened? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: it propelled them to a great offseason and a great
Speaker 1: following season. I'm just saying it did they flipped with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Cowboys didn't play their guys and what happened
Speaker 1: this year at those damn Cowboys. I knew there was
Speaker 1: some reason. Look at all this now we figured it
Speaker 1: out what it was, We got to the bottom of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what Mark Sanchez was still the quarterback in that game, right,
Speaker 1: I mean at the end kind of yeah, did you see?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, where's Mark Sanchez now Chicago? Did you see?
Speaker 1: Did you see that video? I didn't see the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I just saw it was really what do you say?
Speaker 1: It's He actually did a hell of a John Gruden impression.
Speaker 1: But he came up to he came up to Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like before kickoff or
Speaker 1: when it was before right before the offense took the field,
Speaker 1: and he basically, in a very good John Gruden impression,
Speaker 1: was like, remember game days, not the day to try
Speaker 1: new stuff. He said a different word where he's like
Speaker 1: same same footwork, same throws you've been working on all week,
Speaker 1: Like just trust what you've been doing. And it was
Speaker 1: it was funny because he did an impression. But I
Speaker 1: was like, no, yeah, like Mark Sanchez was probably a
Speaker 1: pretty good influence on old Dak when he was here.
Speaker 1: If yeah, it was watching it, you should go watch it.
Speaker 1: It was cool. Yeah. I saw it kind of in
Speaker 1: passing and I saw him at the end he just
Speaker 1: hit his helmets and let's go, you know, And it
Speaker 1: was kind of cool. I mean, people people want to
Speaker 1: give Tony Romo a lot of credit for being Dack's mentor.
Speaker 1: Mark Mark Sanchez he was. I never heard that what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Fans want to give him credit for that,
Speaker 1: you know, just because Mark Sanches couldn't play very well.
Speaker 1: I think he got a bad rap. And I've heard
Speaker 1: people that know him say how good of a person
Speaker 1: he is. I don't know him personally, but I've heard
Speaker 1: people say that. People that know him say he's a
Speaker 1: really good person. Here's a little goofy, but I mean,
Speaker 1: like just no talking about the quality of person. He's
Speaker 1: a really good person. We're not buddies or anything, but
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Speaker 1: for Jerry Jones? Yes? Wow? Wow. I was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, so I was only ten eleven years
Speaker 1: old when I fell in love with this team, you know,
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Speaker 1: team like I would have as an adult. But that
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Speaker 1: great job of really illuminating what Jerry Jones is and
Speaker 1: what he's all about. Made me respect him ten times more,
Speaker 1: and wow, it was. It was just awesome. Many Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans out there that have not seen that documentary, please
Speaker 1: go see that. It's got me a whole new respect
Speaker 1: for Jerry Jones. But he's got to get a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff in here, guys. I'm sorry, I knew it was.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys. I feel like Jerry and Stephen can
Speaker 1: go get this coaching staff twenty two pro bowlers, eleven
Speaker 1: on each side of the ball, and they'll fall away
Speaker 1: half their careers. I'm sorry. You guys talk about it
Speaker 1: every week or every year. You go on and on
Speaker 1: about at the end of the year, how this coaching
Speaker 1: staff did this and this and this. There's a ceiling
Speaker 1: on these guys. I'm sorry. If we haven't seen it
Speaker 1: in almost eight years now, we've seen it. It's it's over.
Speaker 1: This coaching staff has a ceiling on this team. The
Speaker 1: talent is above the ceiling of this coaching staff. This
Speaker 1: coaching staff has a low ceiling. And that's just the
Speaker 1: way I feel. We see it in the little things.
Speaker 1: We see it in the time management, we see it
Speaker 1: in the play calls, we see it in all kinds
Speaker 1: of things. And it's hard to believe that there's this
Speaker 1: much money in this league for those kind of positions
Speaker 1: in this league, and there's not some young stud that's
Speaker 1: up every night trying to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: get dead Terrence, all these kids the ball. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: there's got to be somebody out there, there's got to
Speaker 1: be some young hungry I mean, there's too much money
Speaker 1: in this in these positions, guys. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: eight seasons and this is the kind of production we've
Speaker 1: had in eight sets. I think getting kind of screwed.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call, and I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I purposefully save this. Yesterday I thought, let's get into
Speaker 1: the talk on coaches, but I say not. Some of
Speaker 1: the fans on Twitter gave me a hard time for
Speaker 1: not talking about it. But I really think this is
Speaker 1: a full show. I think this is a full show
Speaker 1: to talk about the coaches, particularly starting at the head
Speaker 1: coach and then moving on down And I actually want
Speaker 1: to have that conversation next week when the season's done.
Speaker 1: And I saved it. I purposely saved it. That's actually
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean like we're talking like the seasons over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I honestly, but but I do think all those
Speaker 1: conversations are going to be had next week, starting next week,
Speaker 1: if they're not already. And I think there are some
Speaker 1: some legitimate things that need to be talked about, not
Speaker 1: just from the head coach, but getting down to the
Speaker 1: coordinators and then get into some of these position coaches
Speaker 1: as well. And I'm I'm personally not one that takes
Speaker 1: slightly saying fire a guy. Like people think that this
Speaker 1: is this is like a board game and you just
Speaker 1: fire people and it's there are no repercussions when you
Speaker 1: fire someone, even coaches, that means it them, their family,
Speaker 1: their kids, you know, the whole nine. They got to
Speaker 1: pick up and move somewhere else. And that's a big
Speaker 1: adjustment for coaches. And I know they accept that as
Speaker 1: a part of the coaching coaching lifestyle. But the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is, I think people take it so
Speaker 1: lightly sometimes and I don't think it's a light thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a light decision. And I also
Speaker 1: like to give benefit of the doubt, for I don't
Speaker 1: want to just just make this conversation about what's going wrong,
Speaker 1: because if you're gonna talk about what's going wrong, you
Speaker 1: also have to go back and talk about what when
Speaker 1: wright a year ago, and that was virtually the same,
Speaker 1: if not exactly the same coaching staff. So again, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to throw that out there. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to that conversation and we're gonna go in depth with it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to save it till next week. I
Speaker 1: don't know, if you guys have something you want to
Speaker 1: kind of throw out, we're not ignoring you, we're not waiting.
Speaker 1: I just want to wait because I think it's a
Speaker 1: bigger I think it's a really big discussion. I really do.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that because I'm not dying to talk
Speaker 1: about it. So is that also because you look at it,
Speaker 1: like you see these these coaches as people, and so
Speaker 1: saying it's a little bit fire them is a much
Speaker 1: more that's a much more serious thing than just saying
Speaker 1: than I think fans sometimes think when they say fire
Speaker 1: this guy, that's definitely about it. No, you can't see
Speaker 1: it with that kind of mentality. I don't which kind
Speaker 1: of mentality the whole like thinking about their families and
Speaker 1: you know they are No, I'm sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: because okay, I'm sorry. That's just the reality of things
Speaker 1: that I mean, you don't hire a person just because
Speaker 1: of what But no, absolutely we do. But we do
Speaker 1: like those fans, those fans, and yeah, I understand they
Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care. They don't go through the
Speaker 1: front of the plane, they don't exit on the front
Speaker 1: of the plane. They don't see what we see. And
Speaker 1: so we can sit here all day and say fire
Speaker 1: this guy far like, it's a little different from our
Speaker 1: stamp because we're walking right past the coaches all the time.
Speaker 1: These coaches walk past our offices, and so we see
Speaker 1: him as people and know how much they work, and
Speaker 1: I get it. And they shouldn't really care about that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff because they're making more money than they'll
Speaker 1: ever make and they don't feel sorry for anybody like that,
Speaker 1: even though they called. Last caller was sorry about a
Speaker 1: lot of things, because he just kept saying, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but but you're right about about the Dak and Lynn
Speaker 1: Lenahan thing. I mean, I know I've said I think
Speaker 1: they need a new play caller. I do. I have
Speaker 1: said that they need new coordinators on both sides in
Speaker 1: my opinion, But you can't ignore what they did last
Speaker 1: year with Dak in that offense and getting him ready
Speaker 1: because we thought at the time, we thought Dak was
Speaker 1: one of the next superstars of the league. As it
Speaker 1: stands right now, I don't know. I don't know where
Speaker 1: he is. I think he's an average quarterback right now.
Speaker 1: And I say that because if you look at if
Speaker 1: you rank thirty two quarterbacks in the league, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting right around sixteen or seventeen. There's about fifteen
Speaker 1: or sixteen that are better than him, and you know
Speaker 1: which way is he going? Is he gonna go Russell Wilson?
Speaker 1: Who've said this for two years? Is he gonna be
Speaker 1: kapit Neck or RG three? Is he going to be
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson? Don't You don't know and right now we
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, that falls into this Twitter question that
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you guys, because I've been
Speaker 1: seeing it all over again and again since the game,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole question about Dak Prescott and where
Speaker 1: he's at and the future of this team and at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position and comments in regards to you, should
Speaker 1: the Cowboys be looking for another quarterback? I've seen plenty
Speaker 1: of talk about mister Kellen Moore. I don't know why
Speaker 1: that's even coming up. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have been receiving those kinds of tweets, you know, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's ridiculous, but yeah, it's but anyways, comparing him,
Speaker 1: you know, to him as anyways, should the Cowboys be
Speaker 1: looking for another quarterback or thinking about this and giving
Speaker 1: someone else another try, or keep obviously focusing on Dak
Speaker 1: and his improvement and growth. I mean, I think everybody's
Speaker 1: it's out to lay out. I think that's a big
Speaker 1: no no no no, no, no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: I paused because I hate that we're talking about this.
Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, I agree with Nick, Like he's he
Speaker 1: has had a bad season by the standard of a
Speaker 1: team that's coming off a thirteen and three campaign. He
Speaker 1: has shown flaws. His accuracy is not amazing. His his
Speaker 1: mechanics can go to hell when he's worried about pressure
Speaker 1: and things like that. Like there's all kinds of of
Speaker 1: stuff that he needs to work on. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to say he was great, um, but like to just
Speaker 1: to just act like this, like this is worth abandoning,
Speaker 1: like this is just some project that went awry, I
Speaker 1: just don't buy that at all. Um. I see how
Speaker 1: hard he works, I see how much he cares about this.
Speaker 1: I see his demeanor and his presence. And in spite
Speaker 1: of all of this, like I have all the confidence
Speaker 1: in the world that he's still a guy that can
Speaker 1: handle that type of scrutiny, that type of pressure. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. And on top of that, at
Speaker 1: times this year ie, when his running back and his
Speaker 1: left tackle were healthy, he looked pretty damn good. He
Speaker 1: was putting up numbers on par with what Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: was doing through the first eight weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry it is an excuse, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to apologize for him being better. When he's got
Speaker 1: an all pro running back and an all pro left tackle.
Speaker 1: He is still a fourth round pick. That is what
Speaker 1: he is. If he was more talented, he would have
Speaker 1: gone in the first round. Like he's not Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: That was never the argument, like people who try to
Speaker 1: turn it into this pissing match, Sorry for the language,
Speaker 1: like between those two. That was always a misguided It was, well,
Speaker 1: Dallas got a guy who's capable of doing this at
Speaker 1: a much lower cost. But Carson Wentz was easily the
Speaker 1: better prospect, Like everybody knew that. So for me to
Speaker 1: sit here, a guy that's in his second year, how
Speaker 1: many games as he started twenty eight, twenty nine, less
Speaker 1: than thirty or maybe that whatever, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say, thirty one, it's okay that he needs
Speaker 1: a good supporting cast to be good at this stage
Speaker 1: in his career. It really is, and it's so to
Speaker 1: be honest, it's okay if he's still fifteenth sixteenth when
Speaker 1: you start ranking him across the league. Absolutely at this
Speaker 1: stage of his career, and Russell Wilson was needed a
Speaker 1: lot of help his first two years. Literally some some
Speaker 1: wow I almost said something bad. Some but some jerk
Speaker 1: on Twitter the other day was like, Brady Rogers, Breeze,
Speaker 1: Ryan and Cam are all way better than him. I
Speaker 1: was like, of course they are. If they weren't, now
Speaker 1: we got a real storm, right what yeh. That's so stupid.
Speaker 1: It's so even again. I mean, it's like the Garrett
Speaker 1: argument when they they when people you know, get mad
Speaker 1: at Garrett for doing stuff and then it's like, look
Speaker 1: what what Belichick's doing. I'm like, okay, stop. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't compare some guy for the you know, even even
Speaker 1: Lebron every time. If you want to keep it more realistic,
Speaker 1: I would hope that Carson Wentz is better than he
Speaker 1: is based on what Philly gave up to get him
Speaker 1: where they did. This was never like if you thought
Speaker 1: Dak was the you know, most talented quarterback in the
Speaker 1: history of the world, and the whole NFL let him
Speaker 1: slip to one thirty five, that's on you. That's never
Speaker 1: it was about. It was about Dallas found a guy
Speaker 1: who can do the job at a really good Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but they got to develop. They have to develop. But
Speaker 1: but hold on about that real quick though, that we
Speaker 1: need to at some point, we've got to bury that
Speaker 1: because I know this Tony Romo was not an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent from Eastern Illinois. After about a year, that
Speaker 1: that's out the window. Now you're better about a year
Speaker 1: in playing, or about a year, and that's from playing.
Speaker 1: That didn't happen until that would be about year three
Speaker 1: or four. Understand, I understand. So I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: when you get to that point and you make great points,
Speaker 1: you're right. He's not Carson Wentz. Not there, not there yet.
Speaker 1: He's still learned, learning, he's still developing. But but we's
Speaker 1: getting to that point where we can't really make that
Speaker 1: excuse for him anymore. And I'm not saying you're making excuses.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we need to bury that a little bit.
Speaker 1: He started, he's gonna start thirty two games this year,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think he's I think he's tough
Speaker 1: as nails. I mean, I do I think he and
Speaker 1: I think he's the leader that you want on this team.
Speaker 1: Give him some more help, give him some more guidance.
Speaker 1: He to me, you can cue the teo, you know,
Speaker 1: clip all you want. He's the quarterback for this team.
Speaker 1: I mean exactly, I mean he would be the quarterback.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. Do you draft a third or fourth
Speaker 1: rounder maybe, but you can do that just just to
Speaker 1: develop a guy as a backup so you don't have
Speaker 1: Cooper rushback there. And if you don't think he's the guy,
Speaker 1: but I think Dak should quarterback one hundred percent. Having
Speaker 1: said everything I said, I'll allow this. I mean, the
Speaker 1: honeymoon's over. Like you wondered how long it would last,
Speaker 1: it's over now with the fan base, if not the organization.
Speaker 1: I think I think anybody inside this building still has
Speaker 1: all the confidence in the world in Dak Prescott. But
Speaker 1: you had a year that was up here and a
Speaker 1: year that was kind of down here. And I mean
Speaker 1: year three is going to be huge because I think
Speaker 1: if you don't see significant signs that he's trending upward
Speaker 1: at the end of year three, then I think this
Speaker 1: is a more legitimate conversation. I guess my point is
Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough in year two that scares me
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be trending up. I just
Speaker 1: I have all the confidence I would like to give him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever said this. I'd like
Speaker 1: to give him like a speed receiver or something to
Speaker 1: help him a little bit. Maybe, Yeah, just somebody that
Speaker 1: can go. That's a new idea. Hey, they signed him
Speaker 1: that a little bit. So they signed a guy on
Speaker 1: the practice squad Katie Cannon. Oh, that's a guy from Baylor. Hunh.
Speaker 1: He can go. Now, some issues now, he's had some missues.
Speaker 1: You can't cuss out. He can run. The sound coaches
Speaker 1: is not good. It's not good in this league. But
Speaker 1: he can definitely run. Let's take a call from Robin Vegas.
Speaker 1: Rob what up? Hey? Guys? All right, all right? Now
Speaker 1: you stick with Dak So you know, he kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of Alex Smith. He's athletic. Maybe not the
Speaker 1: greatest on them, but I think you could win with him.
Speaker 1: Do you need more pieces around him than obviously and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers of course, but you got him in the
Speaker 1: fourth round and think about Yeah, the Eagles got Wentz,
Speaker 1: but we got we got Dak and Zeke for the
Speaker 1: same price pretty much, so I think we made out. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, I was listening to that call of talking
Speaker 1: about Jerry Jones, and you know I watched that show too,
Speaker 1: but I had a little different take. When Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: brought the team, he was a young man, he was,
Speaker 1: you know, like he said, he put all his money
Speaker 1: in and what did they do. He went out and
Speaker 1: got the best coach available and Jimmy Johnson who won
Speaker 1: a national championship, and he used Jimmy. Jimmy built the
Speaker 1: team for him and then he said, okay, you're out.
Speaker 1: I don't need you anymore, and then kind of muddled
Speaker 1: around with head coaches and then didn't hire another real
Speaker 1: coach until Bill Parcels when he needed a new stadium,
Speaker 1: because he figured, I can't I can't have this coach
Speaker 1: and this record with this new stadium gets Bill Parcels
Speaker 1: gets his new stadium and then goes back to these
Speaker 1: average coaches. I think Jerry Jones got used to be
Speaker 1: an average I mean think about it. And ninety five
Speaker 1: the team was worth two hundred and thirty million, and
Speaker 1: now it's worth over four million dollars average. Let's let's
Speaker 1: let me back up for it with you for just
Speaker 1: a second and hold on the line. I think you're
Speaker 1: rewriting history a little bit there. I don't think at
Speaker 1: the time when he hired Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson was
Speaker 1: the best, as most people would put it, the best
Speaker 1: coach available. Now, hold on, hold on, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me finish. At the time, remember, this was in
Speaker 1: a world where buy and large college coaches did not
Speaker 1: have success in the NFL. So him going to get
Speaker 1: a guy that was a college coach, no matter how
Speaker 1: accomplished he was. On top of the fact that, let's
Speaker 1: remember that it probably there were probably people at that
Speaker 1: time and I was saying, this is all about the
Speaker 1: fact that this was his college roommate and his college teammate.
Speaker 1: That's why he's hiring. This has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the best coach available. So I think that's rewriting history
Speaker 1: to fight a narrative. Hold on, hold on, hold of that, Jesus,
Speaker 1: hold on. I think that's rewriting history a little bit
Speaker 1: to fit a narrative that now we think because Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson was it was a really good coach for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Now you're kind of rewriting that. I don't think that
Speaker 1: was a narrative at the time. I think at the
Speaker 1: time it was probably considered to be a sophomore move
Speaker 1: by a freshman owner. Well, I think you're partially right.
Speaker 1: I also think, let's face that, Jimmy Johnson wasn't some bum.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did win a national championship. I think.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to say is I think
Speaker 1: the Jerry Jones of thirty years ago would not have
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett as as his head coach. I think the
Speaker 1: seventy seven year old Jerry Jones being worth so much money,
Speaker 1: and let's face it, his team is the most popular.
Speaker 1: They're always on TV. His memory, he's never suffered from
Speaker 1: being average, and think about it, since ninety five, I
Speaker 1: think they're like thirteen games over five hundred. So that's
Speaker 1: all I'm trying to say. So we talk about firing
Speaker 1: Jason Gett. You guys know, I'm not a Jason Garrett fan,
Speaker 1: but I think he surrounds himself now he looks at
Speaker 1: it like, you know what, I like coming to the
Speaker 1: office and being around people I like, And I think
Speaker 1: that's I'm not saying he doesn't want to win. I
Speaker 1: just don't think he has the hunger time like it
Speaker 1: used to. All Right, thanks for the call, I think again,
Speaker 1: I think that is a very I think that's the
Speaker 1: kind of comment that you would get from a fan
Speaker 1: who's and it's no fault of his own, that's looking
Speaker 1: from the outside in. I don't think and I've never
Speaker 1: been around another owner because I've only worked for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I don't think there are a lot of owners out
Speaker 1: there that put as much into trying to win as
Speaker 1: Jerry does. I know in listening to what other teams
Speaker 1: say about their ownership and how much they are involved,
Speaker 1: and I have colleagues around the league. I know for
Speaker 1: a fact Jerry puts more time into his team than
Speaker 1: probably any owner in the league. I don't buy the
Speaker 1: idea that Jerry is okay with being average. And I
Speaker 1: know from the meetings that I'm in that winning is
Speaker 1: everything to this man, and just because he hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: there doesn't mean it's not important to him. It means
Speaker 1: that it just hasn't worked out for him. I know,
Speaker 1: we gotta go and a man, and I wasn't even
Speaker 1: here for this, but like didn't. Jerry just used to
Speaker 1: have the worst reputation for being like impulsive and just
Speaker 1: doing anything he could, no matter how desperate or illogized
Speaker 1: it was, to get ahead because he just wanted to
Speaker 1: get a win out. I'll you just try to get
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. He got murdered for that. So now
Speaker 1: hear it like flip around and hear him getting murdered
Speaker 1: for being too complacent and comfortable with being average. Like
Speaker 1: it just sounds like one of those classic you can't
Speaker 1: win well. He's learned over the years that you can't
Speaker 1: just just turn coaches around and coaching staffs around. I mean,
Speaker 1: you need that consistency. And some of the best teams
Speaker 1: out there are consistent with their coaches. They they've kept
Speaker 1: them there. They know it helps the scout, it helps
Speaker 1: you draft when you know what everybody's on the same
Speaker 1: page and you can't just flip the script every every
Speaker 1: couple of years. Now, I get it. And we've been
Speaker 1: at seven years or so with with Garrett, and he's
Speaker 1: got to prove here at some point, like I agree
Speaker 1: with that idea good Garrett, Yeah, yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: got he's getting to that point where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now you gotta kind of do it right. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I mean he definitely does. I mean you could make
Speaker 1: the argument. We could sit here and make the argument
Speaker 1: one way or another, but I don't. I think that
Speaker 1: Jerry has learned that that just turning coaches just be
Speaker 1: because you want to and you wanted to get something better.
Speaker 1: You look around the league that doesn't that's not really
Speaker 1: a recipe for success. So I'll see, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. I remember we are going to
Speaker 1: get back to that conversation on coaches. I will definitely
Speaker 1: bring that up. That'll be as part of our show
Speaker 1: next week. Until then, for Nick even Dave Hellman Amberg.
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