WEBVTT - Draft Show_2_18.mp3 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.480 He's the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.239 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.560 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star Infrasco. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.360 And now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.240 Today is February eighteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.440 sixty five days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.960 Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte, the 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.159 only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It's Miller time. We 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.320 got Zach Wolchuck Bryant brought us Fotch Lombardy. Bobby Belt 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.680 in the back right here with Chris Beaman the back, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:43.839 but Bobby Belt's also in the back. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:44.680 Yeah, what am I gonna be at? 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.400 You're just identifying me as like second classes? Now you're 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:48.520 just se he's back there. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.080 You're now I do We're about to leave. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.640 I like heavn I'm to leave. I got to cover 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.960 these coaches, man. I gotta figure out who Clayton Adams 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:56.120 likes in the draft coming up. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:57.600 Man, that's an important job. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:58.600 That's important. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:00.960 While Bobby's here, though, Bobby a question. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.680 The whole time I've worked with Bobby, like once but 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.560 Bobby's my what the league knows? 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:07.520 Guy? Whatever? 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.200 And I just I got questions about walsteron Nolan and 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.520 Jalen Walker. What does the league say about them? 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:18.119 Sorry, we're doing right Walker again, this is your podcast, ser. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.200 Well, we got into the volo, we got into a guest, 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.520 we got into a fight last show, and I just 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.520 simply want to know because what I think doesn't matter 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.080 what Brian zagan, It doesn't Tommy, what does the league 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:31.880 think about. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:32.399 Those two guys? 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.440 Who do you want first? 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.680 Walker? Please? Because that's the most recent fight. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:36.040 Please? 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:41.080 What was the fight over? I think I think so. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.720 I mean that's split. That's definitely when it comes to 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.880 Travis Hunter, like a Travis Hunter guy is like I 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.680 think there are pretty much everybody settles on he's more cornerback. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.240 I feel like the league has has decided. Some people 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.160 think he's a receiver. Brian thinks he'd be a really 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.680 good receiver. I think he could be really great there. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.640 But most league I think it's set on. We think 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.240 he's more of a corner with Walker, I think there 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.040 is more of a kind of a split where different 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.960 teams view him differently. I've heard more people I've talked 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.920 to think of him as kind of just a blitzing linebacker, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.160 like a hybrid, like the way that Micah was used 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.040 more of the first couple of years, rather than the 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.400 way he was used last year, where last year he 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.480 was used pretty much as a realistic edge were the 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.760 previous couple of years he was more linebacker that was 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.400 hybrid rusher. I think that's how people view Walker Nolan. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.200 I just think the league thinks so much more highly 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:35.360 of Nolan than has been represented here. Probably I like 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.480 Walter Nolan. Walter Nolan, though is people talk about him 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.200 as when we get done with the combine and we 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.639 get done with a lot of the stuff, you start 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.760 hearing from teams about how athletic he is and freak 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.120 issue is. I mean, you're gonna you're gonna start hearing 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:50.840 the buzz pick up. But people just think he's an 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.919 absolute freak a defensive tackle, and there's just it's the 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.400 stuff you can't you know, teach, It's the stuff you 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.040 can't bring out of somebody just by coaching and whatever else. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.440 It's that stuff where it's all right, give me that 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.040 piece of clay because I feel like I can mold 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.600 it into anything. Whereas other guys. Maybe it's like, Wow, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:05.919 they're missing this or missing that. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.400 More good than bad there, or more bad than good? 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.120 Youre talking about Walker or Nolan Nolan. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.160 I think I think people think that we hate Nolan, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.160 and we don't necessarily hate Nolan. We just love Harmon 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.040 and Williams and we love Granting all those guys more 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.120 than him, and we just kind of look at him 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.639 more of you, like a late second type of guy, 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.520 like an early third type of guy. But there are 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.160 some people that like Nolan in the first, and I'm 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:31.920 not on board with all. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.160 Tommy has him in the first, a lot of teams. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.520 Will I think this is going to be a very 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.360 light first round picker. I think a lot of teams 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:38.960 are gonna have him. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.840 I have him as early second, so I think I'm 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.760 kind of in between. If he's there at forty four, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.160 I'm doing cartwheels. But at twelve, I think. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.880 It would be I think I think Nolan would be 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.760 like I think twelve is around where the league would 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.160 start thinking Nolan's gonna Yeah, I think. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.480 He's definitely in play at twelve. It's just an inconsistency, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.360 Like he flashes brilliance and I know you don't like 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:58.840 the word flash, but that's what it. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.720 Is, which is scares the hell out of me. Jack. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:01.160 That's it. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.200 You flash and all of a sudden like, oh I 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.360 saw it, But then I'm also taught if you see 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.160 it one time, you'll see it again. But I don't 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.120 see it consistently enough with this guy. I think that bothers. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.119 Me laziness at times tape which you're really that, Yeah, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.040 that's like and I'm not the only distraction here. You're 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.920 going to have to answer that now you know, Well, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.200 that's just what I saw on tape. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.640 Okay, so if you can, let's say, motor doesn't always 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.159 run hot. You got to find your your substitute. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:33.360 There's time where you know, there's times where it is, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.720 but then there's other times it's like, what's going on 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.839 with this play where it doesn't seem like you're as 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.279 engaged as you were Say a serious. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.760 No, you're not wrong, bro, you're doing good. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.640 But but TJ. Sanders like, it's weird to me. There's 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.120 like a hive that loves t J. Sanders. To me, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.840 if you love TJ. Sanders, I don't get why you 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.160 wouldn't love Walter Nolan because I see the same thing, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.159 and T J. Sanders will wear down over the course 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:53.480 of a game. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:54.640 I'm not as how Sanders need. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.240 Yeah, I mean if you talk about like Brian you 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.320 mentioned you, you don't see it consistently enough with Nolan 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.400 the guy that I think of when you're talking about 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.039 freakish athlete and and you didn't see it consistently, but 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.920 it did come together when he got to the NFL level. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.760 Uh is a guy like Milton Williams who who just 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.719 stood out in Super Bowl big time. Now, Milton Williams 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:14.919 is not a first round pick. He was like a 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.320 third But Milton Williams was an absolute freak at the 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.719 defensive tackles. I think Nolan similar. He's just a little bigger. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.160 Well, and Nolan did it against better competition throughout as well. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.440 I mean Milton Williams was playing in Conference USA. Yeah, Okay, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.159 let me ask you this about Nolan. Is this a problem? 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:32.960 And is this a problem? Because I know Kyle is 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.000 gonna He's did a great job of setting this show up. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.400 Today we're gonna talk about defensive lineman, so I know 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.080 he's gonna get there. Are we running into a problem 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.080 with these effort defensive tackles or edges because they play 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:50.680 in rotating systems and we don't see them every play 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.400 like they I watched Tennessee, I watched Mississippi, I watched 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:56.440 South Carolina. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.120 It's a rotating system. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.080 And do you get a feel for the play in 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.640 a rotating system like some of these teams that might 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.000 have guys that play the majority of the series. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:08.960 I feel you, But I never want to give a 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.760 guy a reason a loaf, you know what I'm saying. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.040 So we were just talking about what a lot to him? 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.039 He's saying that loaf loaf. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.000 We were just we were just making say how you 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.880 feel on this show. Dion Walker, I'll stand by it. 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.880 Dion Walker has some aggressive loafs, Like I'm standing up 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.839 in my feet aren't even moving and it's like I'm 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.159 just keeping you walk. I'm like, damn, deon walk, are you? 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.200 Are you that tired? I don't want nobody to be 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.719 that tired. And in my mind, sixty plays in college 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.560 might be thirty plays in the league, you know what 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.200 I'm saying. So I never want to see like, you know, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.679 whether you're rotating or not. Our guy Norman lat Right, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.400 I don't really see him slowing down that much. Derek Harmon. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.080 I don't see Derek Harmon slowing. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.160 Down in a rotating system. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.360 So I never want to see a guy slow down, 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.800 no matter you know, if they get sixty thirty or twelves. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.400 Now, one of the things that I always look at whenever, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.839 it's whenever you've got a guy like Nolan, if you're wondering, okay, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.600 the motor always there, anything else, I tend to go 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.520 back and I go, all right, who did I who 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.120 did I describe this way in the past, Like let 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.000 me go back like the notes, see who did I 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.240 describe similarly? And how consistently did that look like it 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.520 got fixed at the next level, or how consistently was 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.840 like well that was a problem. So like I think, 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.400 whenever I think of motor or taking plays off, like 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.040 there are a couple of there are times you see 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:22.760 that you saw that with Jaylen Carter when he was 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.520 at Georgia that has worked out. There are other times 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.120 where I remember thinking of that a lot about Jerry 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.360 Tillery when he was at Notre Dame, and Jerry Tillery 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.440 did not work out, and so yeah, there you go 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.800 there there. I think it's whenever those kind of things 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.680 crop up. It's important to look back and go, Okay, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.080 who did I describe like this in the past, and 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.240 how did that actually flesh out at the NFL. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.320 But when you're looking at Walter Nolan and you're seeing 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.640 the physical traits, I don't know if I'm looking at 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.360 him and saying Jalen Carter, I'm looking at him and 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.800 I'm saying Tillery more than that. So if if you're 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.160 leaning one way or the other, Jalen Carter was not 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.440 a three or four down lineman in the or in college, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.320 but he played a rotating, rotating system. When you have 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.640 walker no one playing in that same rotating system, I 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.640 don't necessarily look at him. He's a freak, don't get 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.400 me wrong, But I don't look at him as like 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:07.800 an elite level. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.600 Player like a Jalen Carter was. You know, if you're 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:11.880 that same level. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.880 If you're truly like great, it lends you some room 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.520 to loaf a little bit somewhat. But if you when 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.080 you're not loafing, you're solid good, but you're not super elite, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.720 then that kind of drops you down the board. Little 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.080 bit of what you're saying, yeah, kind of Jalen Carter. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.240 I don't know, if I hate you'll. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:27.240 See what you could be great? 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:28.680 Is that what we're saying here? 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:29.640 I don't know if I like that. 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.440 I didn't. I don't agree. But but but Jalen Carter 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.520 was the best player that whole draft. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.240 Yeah, right, and it was far and away. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.040 Man, I can at least look at Nolan be like, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.400 all right, at least there's at least four guys. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.920 That's just like would play for two snaps, But those 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.800 two snaps he would absolutely Demolock. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.560 We're talking about a game record that's on a totally 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:49.360 different level. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.040 Yeah, for sure. Yeah. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.439 And even if he did, it was one play here 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.360 or one play there, It wasn't every single time he 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.880 was on the field. You would see him take plays 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:01.720 off off, whereas Carter was just standing on the side 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:02.040 of the shore. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.959 What consistently, like, I mean, does taking plays off or 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.240 looking like the motor doesn't run as hot? Does that 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.440 matter more at certain positions than it does others? 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:10.760 Yeah? 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.000 I know, we do air quotes around here. Does that 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.280 look like that look like it matters more than it 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.400 does in the building? Does that matter more? 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:18.880 Like? 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:19.199 Friends? 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.320 I will occasionally go all right, if a defensive lineman's 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.120 getting beat up a little, obviously I want the motor 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:25.960 or hot But I feel like I see that with 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.400 a lot of guys, you know, over the years, where 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.440 it's like maybe they're getting beat up and it's just like, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.560 all right, I shouldn't, but I'm worn down. I'm not 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.400 in an NFL strength program or a conditioning program, and 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.120 and I kind of wonder, are they just getting worn 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:38.920 down by the battle And is that something that can 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.319 be fixed at the next level if you get to 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.400 a better conditioning program or a strength program. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.360 You're not wrong, but it's just I'm comparing Nolan to 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.600 three other people. Yeah, that don't take places. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.600 And I'm not saying that's the case. I'm saying, is 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.439 that that question, like how do you answer that question 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.599 of is it more important at some positions? So like 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.160 do you need to see that effort all the time 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.600 at this position more than this one? 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.520 Or well, when you're playing corner in safety, you get exposed. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.240 If you take a playoff coreer as defensive tackle, you 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.719 can kind of hide in the moneyness, sure, if he's 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:08.320 not going your way. 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.199 I do wonder because, like you said, ball of Clay, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.760 that you can bold. That to me is that's scary. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.280 And I think you scout saw that with Dallas Turner 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.839 a year ago, like, oh my gosh, that's got all 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.480 the traits. He's twitchy as hell. You don't see the production. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.800 Artner Turner got accused of the taking plays off a lot. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.920 Yeah, yeah, And I don't know like him. I think 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.240 Shamar Stewart from Texas A and M like, physically these 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.640 are this is what you want in that guy at 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.480 that position. But do I see the production down and 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.880 down out? No, And I think you can get in 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.920 a lot of trouble as a scout thinking like, oh 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.760 my gosh, I love the intangibles, I love the athleticism. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.320 Same thing as a position coach. Bring him into my system. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.840 I can bowl them. Carrie Collins, Oh he's got a hitch. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.320 Oh I could fix that. Fifteen years. I've got a 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.320 production and I see it consistently. I think that's going 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.160 to translate better than the mold of clay that I'm 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:57.440 hoping that I can develop. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.479 But we are talking about pick twelve in a thinner class, 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.480 like we're not talking about picking number two and saying 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.920 give me the mole. Like the Clay. You're talking about 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.960 a draft where some people may have eleven first round 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.240 picks on their and so you're sitting there right on 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.120 the edge, and you go, well, this is the guy 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:13.480 that if I can put them together, he can be 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.160 just as good potentially as some of these guys at 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:15.880 the top of the draft. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.760 That scares the hell out of me, Bobby, it does. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.720 That scares the hell out of me that I'm hoping 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.160 that this guy is cause Kyler. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.160 Smith scared the hell out of a lot of People's. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.480 True, that's another guy. You saw it like physically, we. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.120 Saw all the traits and I don't know it scared. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.120 It was the tech. It was your technique right right, 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:34.080 right right. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.160 It wasn't it was, but it was skill set his 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.920 hands right, but skill set was there. And you said, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.160 what kind of a student is he? The same sort 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.240 of thing I think still exists with Nolan. I think Nolan, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.480 you go skill sets there. If the Cowboys were to 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.160 pick Nolan at twelve, given their history of finding guys 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.600 that they know were good students, like Tyler Smith or something, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.240 I'm gonna trust they've got a pretty good read on 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.439 He takes to coaching pretty well and they feel good 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:58.840 about that. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.880 So did they hit that with Mazzie Smith? 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.560 You know what, I think he might not like football, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.959 and that's that's part of the question you got to 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:06.199 hit with. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.240 That's what you got to and that's a hard thing 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.959 to scout. I think you agree with you. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.680 Usually they've gotten the right type of person and the 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.160 right type of background, but they have missed on it 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:16.640 before right recently. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.840 And I think it also matters, like I think Jeff Skinnea, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.320 who's who's no longer here obviously, I think Jeff Scineya 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.640 did a great job helping right right, And that's so 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.280 I think it also matters of like who's reaching them. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.280 And I think that this coaching staff, we've heard it 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.800 from Brian Schottenheimer, were about to go here it in 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.720 this hallway, it's going to be very much about culture 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.320 and effort and things like that. If they were to 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.640 pick him. I can't imagine that that room back there 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.480 wouldn't be comfortable with we can get it out of him. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.840 So do you think right. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:47.080 Me? 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.559 I don't think you can miss the first round. I 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.440 mean we got effort questions with. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.960 Me, is right this coaching staff or this this team whatever, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.440 right they took a linebacker that wasn't really a pass 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.720 Russian name, made him a pass rusher. And they took 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.840 a Tyler Smith that we didn't think would be a 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.160 great left tackle and they developed him and he was 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.839 able to play some left tackle. Right, So maybe you 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.960 you know, they had some confidence that they could take 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.319 raw players and like kind of fix them. Sure, so 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.400 you miss on a Mazi and uh, we just we're 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.000 not clear about Tyler Guyton just yet. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.120 Yeah, do you think that they switched. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.280 Back to all right, let me look for day one 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.680 guys that could possibly play now because the last two 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:27.800 project type dudes didn't work for me? 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:28.440 That makes sense? 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.480 Yes, Yes, that's what I'm trying to do. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.559 Yeah, Bobby, you know these scouts better than anybody. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:34.560 What they thinking about it? 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:35.040 Are the no? 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:35.199 No? 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.320 Are they they what they think? 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.679 Are they under pressure? Are they under pressure after what's 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:42.720 happened with the last two. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.360 That's a much better way to say what I just said. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.760 Look, I mean I think this whole organization was under pressure. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.200 Everybody was on expiring deals basically that included a lot 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:55.520 of the scouting staff. So look, I think that there 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.319 there is a unique pressure from the sense that this 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.240 team doesn't generally play free agent water, so you feel 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.640 like there's no margin for error. You feel like we 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.559 got to hit every pick in the top four, can't 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.439 have any like and I mean the numbers just say, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.240 the math says that's not gonna always happen. You're gonna 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.320 miss guys. And there's a lot of pressure in that sense. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.920 But I think it's something that it's a pressure they welcome, Like, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.720 I think that's something they like performing under that. All right, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.920 let's go find the guy, let's go knock this out. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.760 But yeah, it's definitely a big ask for those guys, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.360 and I think, like I said, a lot of this 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.960 with these new coaches and the way that Will McLay 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.800 obviously sets it up to, Hey, let's interact personnel staff 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.240 with the assistant coaches, talk about what you guys like, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.720 and let's go let our guys get to work. I 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.280 think this is right. Here is a critical window for that. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.280 I will tell you this though, from what I learned 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:47.120 about the Certain Horn draft was that the scouts were 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.800 really on Certain and the coaches were going with Horn. 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.520 And it's because the scouts felt better about the player, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.040 they felt better about the consistency of the player they 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.800 felt about what he could develop as. Not that they 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.200 didn't like Horn, but they they were in a mode 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.840 where they're like, this guy's a gambler, a risk take 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.200 or that kind of yeap, give us the solid, give 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.840 us the guy if that at that spot, And to me, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.320 it looks like they they they were their attitude was 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.160 the right way, and I wonder if that's going to 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.880 stay true to this draft with so much like murkiness 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.560 and muddiness on the top of this board. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.000 I will say this just before I go down and 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.320 see the assistant coaches. I know that in the past, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.000 I don't know about it, but just talking to scouts 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.520 around the league, yeah, not just hearing Dallas in general, scouts, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.880 I think feel like the safe player is typically the 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.320 one because I've asked this question of people for the 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.080 safe players, typically a player coaches want because they feel 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.200 like their job is more on the line immediately every 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.160 year than personnel department does. Like personnel department feels like 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.280 they're process oriented and they're they're grabbing a talent and 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:49.880 they're they're looking three ars out, where as a coach 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.480 who's you know, Mike McCarthy last year, in a in 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.760 a contract year, maybe felt like, give me someone who 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.200 can help me now, Like I mean, now I don't 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.720 need a project guy, whereas a scout may say or 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.920 personal department say, yeah, this guy's going to be better in 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.880 three years, and I can be patient with that. And 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.120 so typically I think it's been reversed in that situation 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.720 you're talking about there with Horn and Sertana obviously, but 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.640 typically I think in my experience across the league, not 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.240 just here in Dallas, I think a lot more scouts 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.160 are willing to say, let's get the talent and let's 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.240 trust our coaches to bring it out of them. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.360 Oh, that's super interesting, the whole puzzle piece all put 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:25.960 together like that, Bobby. 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.800