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Speaker 1: He's the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room

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Speaker 1: for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the

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Speaker 2: And now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 3: Today is February eighteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are

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Speaker 3: sixty five days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It's Miller time. We

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Speaker 3: got Zach Wolchuck Bryant brought us Fotch Lombardy. Bobby Belt

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Speaker 3: in the back right here with Chris Beaman the back,

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Speaker 3: but Bobby Belt's also in the back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what am I gonna be at?

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Speaker 4: You're just identifying me as like second classes? Now you're

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Speaker 4: just se he's back there.

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Speaker 2: You're now I do We're about to leave.

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Speaker 4: I like heavn I'm to leave. I got to cover

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Speaker 4: these coaches, man. I gotta figure out who Clayton Adams

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Speaker 4: likes in the draft coming up.

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Speaker 5: Man, that's an important job.

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Speaker 6: That's important.

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Speaker 2: While Bobby's here, though, Bobby a question.

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Speaker 7: The whole time I've worked with Bobby, like once but

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Speaker 7: Bobby's my what the league knows?

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Speaker 8: Guy? Whatever?

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Speaker 7: And I just I got questions about walsteron Nolan and

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Speaker 7: Jalen Walker. What does the league say about them?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, we're doing right Walker again, this is your podcast, ser.

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Speaker 7: Well, we got into the volo, we got into a guest,

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Speaker 7: we got into a fight last show, and I just

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Speaker 7: simply want to know because what I think doesn't matter

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Speaker 7: what Brian zagan, It doesn't Tommy, what does the league

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Speaker 7: think about.

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Speaker 8: Those two guys?

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Speaker 4: Who do you want first?

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Speaker 8: Walker? Please? Because that's the most recent fight.

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Speaker 5: Please?

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Speaker 4: What was the fight over? I think I think so.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's split. That's definitely when it comes to

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter, like a Travis Hunter guy is like I

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Speaker 4: think there are pretty much everybody settles on he's more cornerback.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the league has has decided. Some people

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Speaker 4: think he's a receiver. Brian thinks he'd be a really

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Speaker 4: good receiver. I think he could be really great there.

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Speaker 4: But most league I think it's set on. We think

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Speaker 4: he's more of a corner with Walker, I think there

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Speaker 4: is more of a kind of a split where different

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Speaker 4: teams view him differently. I've heard more people I've talked

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Speaker 4: to think of him as kind of just a blitzing linebacker,

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Speaker 4: like a hybrid, like the way that Micah was used

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Speaker 4: more of the first couple of years, rather than the

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Speaker 4: way he was used last year, where last year he

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Speaker 4: was used pretty much as a realistic edge were the

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Speaker 4: previous couple of years he was more linebacker that was

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Speaker 4: hybrid rusher. I think that's how people view Walker Nolan.

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Speaker 4: I just think the league thinks so much more highly

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Speaker 4: of Nolan than has been represented here. Probably I like

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Speaker 4: Walter Nolan. Walter Nolan, though is people talk about him

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Speaker 4: as when we get done with the combine and we

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Speaker 4: hearing from teams about how athletic he is and freak

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Speaker 4: issue is. I mean, you're gonna you're gonna start hearing

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Speaker 4: the buzz pick up. But people just think he's an

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Speaker 4: absolute freak a defensive tackle, and there's just it's the

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Speaker 4: stuff you can't you know, teach, It's the stuff you

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Speaker 4: It's that stuff where it's all right, give me that

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Speaker 4: it into anything. Whereas other guys. Maybe it's like, Wow,

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Speaker 5: More good than bad there, or more bad than good?

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Speaker 8: Youre talking about Walker or Nolan Nolan.

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Speaker 7: I think I think people think that we hate Nolan,

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Speaker 7: and we don't necessarily hate Nolan. We just love Harmon

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Speaker 7: more of you, like a late second type of guy,

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Speaker 2: Tommy has him in the first, a lot of teams.

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Speaker 4: Will I think this is going to be a very

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Speaker 3: I have him as early second, so I think I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm doing cartwheels. But at twelve, I think.

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Speaker 4: It would be I think I think Nolan would be

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Speaker 6: He's definitely in play at twelve. It's just an inconsistency,

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Speaker 6: Like he flashes brilliance and I know you don't like

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Speaker 6: the word flash, but that's what it.

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Speaker 2: Is, which is scares the hell out of me. Jack.

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Speaker 9: You flash and all of a sudden like, oh I

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Speaker 6: Me laziness at times tape which you're really that, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's like and I'm not the only distraction here. You're

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Speaker 6: going to have to answer that now you know, Well,

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Speaker 6: that's just what I saw on tape.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so if you can, let's say, motor doesn't always

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Speaker 6: There's time where you know, there's times where it is,

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Speaker 5: No, you're not wrong, bro, you're doing good.

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Speaker 6: But but TJ. Sanders like, it's weird to me. There's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you talk about like Brian you

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Speaker 3: Well, and Nolan did it against better competition throughout as well.

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Speaker 3: let me ask you this about Nolan. Is this a problem?

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Speaker 3: gonna He's did a great job of setting this show up.

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Speaker 3: Today we're gonna talk about defensive lineman, so I know

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Speaker 3: he's gonna get there. Are we running into a problem

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Speaker 3: with these effort defensive tackles or edges because they play

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Speaker 5: It's a rotating system.

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Speaker 9: And do you get a feel for the play in

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Speaker 7: I feel you, But I never want to give a

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Speaker 8: So we were just talking about what a lot to him?

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Speaker 5: He's saying that loaf loaf.

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Speaker 6: We were just we were just making say how you

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Speaker 7: Dion Walker has some aggressive loafs, Like I'm standing up

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Speaker 7: just keeping you walk. I'm like, damn, deon walk, are you?

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Speaker 7: Are you that tired? I don't want nobody to be

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Speaker 7: I don't really see him slowing down that much. Derek Harmon.

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Speaker 7: So I never want to see a guy slow down,

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Speaker 4: Now, one of the things that I always look at whenever,

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Speaker 4: there there. I think it's whenever those kind of things

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Speaker 3: But when you're looking at Walter Nolan and you're seeing

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Speaker 3: I'm saying Tillery more than that. So if if you're

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Speaker 3: don't necessarily look at him. He's a freak, don't get

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Speaker 3: me wrong, But I don't look at him as like

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Speaker 3: an elite level.

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Speaker 2: Player like a Jalen Carter was. You know, if you're

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Speaker 7: If you're truly like great, it lends you some room

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Speaker 7: to loaf a little bit somewhat. But if you when

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Speaker 7: you're not loafing, you're solid good, but you're not super elite,

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Speaker 7: then that kind of drops you down the board. Little

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Speaker 7: bit of what you're saying, yeah, kind of Jalen Carter.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, if I hate you'll.

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Speaker 2: See what you could be great?

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Speaker 6: Is that what we're saying here?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I like that.

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Speaker 7: I didn't. I don't agree. But but but Jalen Carter

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Speaker 7: was the best player that whole draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and it was far and away.

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Speaker 7: Man, I can at least look at Nolan be like,

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Speaker 7: all right, at least there's at least four guys.

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Speaker 3: That's just like would play for two snaps, But those

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Speaker 3: two snaps he would absolutely Demolock.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about a game record that's on a totally

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Speaker 6: different level.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And even if he did, it was one play here

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Speaker 4: What consistently, like, I mean, does taking plays off or

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Speaker 4: I know, we do air quotes around here. Does that

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Speaker 4: I will occasionally go all right, if a defensive lineman's

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Speaker 7: You're not wrong, but it's just I'm comparing Nolan to

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Speaker 3: Or well, when you're playing corner in safety, you get exposed.

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Speaker 6: I do wonder because, like you said, ball of Clay,

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Speaker 4: Artner Turner got accused of the taking plays off a lot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And I don't know like him. I think

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Speaker 6: Same thing as a position coach. Bring him into my system.

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Speaker 6: I can bowl them. Carrie Collins, Oh he's got a hitch.

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Speaker 4: But we are talking about pick twelve in a thinner class,

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Speaker 4: give me the mole. Like the Clay. You're talking about

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Speaker 9: That scares the hell out of me, Bobby, it does.

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Speaker 9: That scares the hell out of me that I'm hoping

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Speaker 4: Smith scared the hell out of a lot of People's.

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Speaker 6: True, that's another guy. You saw it like physically, we.

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Speaker 2: Saw all the traits and I don't know it scared.

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Speaker 2: It was the tech. It was your technique right right,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't it was, but it was skill set his

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Speaker 4: what kind of a student is he? The same sort

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Speaker 4: of thing I think still exists with Nolan. I think Nolan,

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Speaker 4: you go skill sets there. If the Cowboys were to

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Speaker 4: He takes to coaching pretty well and they feel good

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Speaker 2: So did they hit that with Mazzie Smith?

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Speaker 6: You know what, I think he might not like football,

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Speaker 6: and that's that's part of the question you got to

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Speaker 2: That's what you got to and that's a hard thing

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Speaker 3: Usually they've gotten the right type of person and the

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Speaker 4: And I think it also matters, like I think Jeff Skinnea,

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Speaker 4: I think it also matters of like who's reaching them.

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Speaker 4: And I think that this coaching staff, we've heard it

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Speaker 4: this hallway, it's going to be very much about culture

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Speaker 4: and effort and things like that. If they were to

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Speaker 8: So do you think right.

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Speaker 10: Me?

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Speaker 6: I don't think you can miss the first round. I

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Speaker 6: mean we got effort questions with.

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Speaker 7: Me, is right this coaching staff or this this team whatever,

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Speaker 7: right they took a linebacker that wasn't really a pass

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Speaker 7: Russian name, made him a pass rusher. And they took

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Speaker 7: a Tyler Smith that we didn't think would be a

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Speaker 7: great left tackle and they developed him and he was

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Speaker 7: able to play some left tackle. Right, So maybe you

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Speaker 7: you know, they had some confidence that they could take

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Speaker 7: raw players and like kind of fix them. Sure, so

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Speaker 7: you miss on a Mazi and uh, we just we're

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Speaker 7: not clear about Tyler Guyton just yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think that they switched.

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Speaker 7: Back to all right, let me look for day one

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Speaker 7: guys that could possibly play now because the last two

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Speaker 8: That makes sense?

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Speaker 6: Yes, Yes, that's what I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Bobby, you know these scouts better than anybody.

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Speaker 8: What they thinking about it?

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Speaker 2: Are the no?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Are they they what they think?

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Speaker 9: Are they under pressure? Are they under pressure after what's

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Speaker 9: happened with the last two.

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Speaker 8: That's a much better way to say what I just said.

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Speaker 4: Look, I mean I think this whole organization was under pressure.

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Speaker 4: Everybody was on expiring deals basically that included a lot

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Speaker 4: of the scouting staff. So look, I think that there

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Speaker 4: there is a unique pressure from the sense that this

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Speaker 4: like there's no margin for error. You feel like we

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Speaker 4: got to hit every pick in the top four, can't

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Speaker 4: have any like and I mean the numbers just say,

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Speaker 4: the math says that's not gonna always happen. You're gonna

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Speaker 4: miss guys. And there's a lot of pressure in that sense.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's something that it's a pressure they welcome, Like,

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Speaker 4: I think that's something they like performing under that. All right,

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Speaker 4: let's go find the guy, let's go knock this out.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's definitely a big ask for those guys,

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Speaker 4: and I think, like I said, a lot of this

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Speaker 4: obviously sets it up to, Hey, let's interact personnel staff

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Speaker 4: and let's go let our guys get to work. I

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Speaker 9: I will tell you this though, from what I learned

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Speaker 9: about the Certain Horn draft was that the scouts were

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Speaker 9: really on Certain and the coaches were going with Horn.

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Speaker 9: And it's because the scouts felt better about the player,

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Speaker 9: they felt better about the consistency of the player they

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Speaker 9: felt about what he could develop as. Not that they

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Speaker 9: didn't like Horn, but they they were in a mode

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Speaker 9: where they're like, this guy's a gambler, a risk take

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Speaker 9: or that kind of yeap, give us the solid, give

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Speaker 9: us the guy if that at that spot, And to me,

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Speaker 9: it looks like they they they were their attitude was

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Speaker 9: stay true to this draft with so much like murkiness

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Speaker 4: I will say this just before I go down and

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Speaker 4: I don't know about it, but just talking to scouts

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Speaker 4: I think feel like the safe player is typically the

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Speaker 4: safe players, typically a player coaches want because they feel

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Speaker 4: year than personnel department does. Like personnel department feels like

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Speaker 4: they're process oriented and they're they're grabbing a talent and

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Speaker 4: they're they're looking three ars out, where as a coach

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Speaker 4: need a project guy, whereas a scout may say or

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Speaker 4: personal department say, yeah, this guy's going to be better in

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Speaker 4: so typically I think it's been reversed in that situation

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Speaker 4: you're talking about there with Horn and Sertana obviously, but

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Speaker 4: typically I think in my experience across the league, not

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Speaker 4: just here in Dallas, I think a lot more scouts

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Speaker 4: are willing to say, let's get the talent and let's

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's super interesting, the whole puzzle piece all put

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Speaker 3: together like that, Bobby.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it as as always.

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Speaker 8: This year.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those things where we when we've heard

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Speaker 6: when they trust the scouting department their success. Yeah, when

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Speaker 9: Maybe you start to get This is where Schottenheimer needs

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Speaker 9: to be smart. This is where he needs to step

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Speaker 9: these guys are going to pick players for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: and go from there. Bill Parcells did the exact same

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Speaker 9: pick these pick this team. There was fight about Terrence Newman,

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Speaker 9: you know, and Larry Lace will say, listen, Bill, we

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Speaker 9: I think Brian Schottenheim will be very smart to take

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Speaker 3: It seems like he would trin that direction just knowing,

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Speaker 3: let's take our first break when we come back. We've

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Speaker 3: Earlier, I want to hit maybe the forty four mid

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Speaker 3: Maybe as early as twelve. We'll answer some of your

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Speaker 3: I don't like that read. I don't know why. I

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Speaker 3: That's the second time I flubbed it. But it's Dallas

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Speaker 6: We're going to rewrite.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Bobby Belt for stopping by and opening the show.

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Speaker 2: He's now doing some.

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Speaker 3: Work with the assistant coaches are talking right now on

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Speaker 3: the other side of the building, so when we get done,

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Speaker 3: we'll head over there as well. But before that, we've

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Speaker 2: Time for some.

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Speaker 3: Twitter shops we've ever had. That's the best one possible,

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Speaker 3: all right, Jimmy or Jeffrey hendrim say, Jimmy Hendricks, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I almost said it. Jeffrey Hendricks. Joe says, you have

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Speaker 3: to finish the first three rounds without one of these positions.

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Speaker 3: Which one are you most okay leaving without? Here are

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Speaker 3: your options running back, wide receiver, defensive line, offensive line,

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Speaker 3: Which one you leaving out out of the first three rounds?

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Speaker 3: You're going all the way to round five without one

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Speaker 3: of those spots where you feel like you.

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Speaker 5: Can offensive line.

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Speaker 6: For me, I agree, I'm gonna go offensive line as well,

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Speaker 6: because I do think you've got enough depth right now

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Speaker 6: with awesome Richards guys like hopefully brought k Hoffman still in

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Speaker 6: the fold.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the first name I thought would come out of.

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Speaker 6: I'm an ausesome Richards. I think you're playing allowed to

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Speaker 6: compete at left tackle. You put them in left absolutely,

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Speaker 6: maybe right tackle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, where's your right tackle going?

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Speaker 6: Who knows? I think we're competing in the losers your

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Speaker 6: backup because I think all three are gonna end up

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Speaker 6: playing throughout the course of the season. You know, injuries

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Speaker 6: are a thing in the National Football League. It's hard

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Speaker 6: to make sure seventeen games. So I think having three

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Speaker 6: guys that was some confidence extremely important.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going awesome Richards.

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Speaker 6: I like, I love bra Kauffin and the depth that

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Speaker 6: he's able to provide you. I think you've got to

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Speaker 6: have a running back. You've got to have a wide

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Speaker 6: receiver to compliment ce d Lamb and I defensive line.

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Speaker 6: Can we line up and play today? I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 2: No, Fox, what do you think?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 7: Running back is probably gonna be very plentiful in the

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Speaker 7: fifth round. I know people don't want to hear that.

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Speaker 7: I know people would rather get that steadily running back first.

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Speaker 7: I just don't want to write off because I might

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Speaker 7: like an offensive lineman early, like like the board may

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Speaker 7: force me to take an offensive lineman early, or take

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Speaker 7: a take a d lineman early. I think you have

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Speaker 7: to go a wide receiver because there's really an emergency there.

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Speaker 7: I think if you forced me to decide between a

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Speaker 7: fifth round running back or a fifth round tackle. I

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Speaker 7: think the running backs there would be better than the tackle.

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Speaker 3: I'm gon a name off some four fives here that

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Speaker 3: I've got for you. Okay, let's play this game a

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Speaker 3: little bit. Running back. Let's go with TOAJ Brooks, Texas Tech,

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Speaker 3: Dark West Hunter from Auburn.

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Speaker 5: A big fan of Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him a lot.

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Speaker 3: DJ Giddons Kansas State, Damian Martinez, Miami, Jayden Blue Texas. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's go to Let's go to wider seat. Okay, Kyle,

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Speaker 3: Let's have a conversation.

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Speaker 6: Brooks, I know this.

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Speaker 8: Let's I knew this was about to happen. Let's have

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Speaker 8: a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 7: Let's say you miss out on running backs, right, Let's

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Speaker 7: just stay together round one, two and three? You miss out? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Can a combination of scatterable in blue work for you?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely?

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Speaker 8: Can back combination work for you?

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Speaker 2: Like, let's you're able dipping in the fifth at running back.

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Speaker 7: If you don't take one, one, two and three, you

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Speaker 7: might have to I'd be okay with right.

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Speaker 3: So I like some of those names that are there.

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Speaker 3: Dark West Hunter from Auburn. I know you are both very.

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Speaker 9: We're talking about, but you're talking about like fifth round guys.

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Speaker 9: I have some of those guys higher than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 7: So I'm just assuming like it's gonna look like Royce Freeman,

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Speaker 7: do Von Hunter, Lucky DJ Giddings, and Chris Jayden Blue.

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Speaker 7: I think that's a cool setup of guys. It's not

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Speaker 7: Ashton Genty, is not you know, Hampton and Johnson or

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Speaker 7: anything like that. But I think you can live with

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Speaker 7: those running backs. I don't want to live in this

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Speaker 7: world where I gotta take a wide receiver in the

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Speaker 7: fifth or I got to take a d tackle in

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Speaker 7: the fifth. I'm looking at tackle in the like third

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Speaker 7: round or something like that. I think that's the last

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Speaker 7: I love what I'm getting at tackle. When you get

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Speaker 7: to like fifth round tackles, you may be a cool

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Speaker 7: rotational tackle guy by the time you get to that point.

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Speaker 7: And I really want to upgrade tackle. So I'm going

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Speaker 7: to run.

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Speaker 9: Miss by taking say these two were available, if it

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Speaker 9: was Blue and Smith from SMU, with the way they

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Speaker 9: catch the ball, is that better than taking a fifth

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Speaker 9: round wide receiver.

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Speaker 6: Yes, they would be better than my fifth round wide

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Speaker 6: receiver options.

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Speaker 9: Just because the way they catch the ball, Yes, the

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Speaker 9: way that they play in the passing game I mean,

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Speaker 9: is that you're taking a fifth round wide receive your

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Speaker 9: This guy could very well be what you're playing.

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Speaker 2: Here are some names that I've got there.

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Speaker 3: I've got Nick nash Um, San Jose Steak, DeAndre Lambert

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Speaker 3: Smith from Auburn, Ricky White from un l V, Theowese

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Speaker 3: from Missouri, just the name a few names.

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Speaker 8: I think none of those guys play for you.

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Speaker 7: I think. I don't think they line up day one

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Speaker 7: and like playfully. But I think either of those running

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Speaker 7: backs you name, I think probably.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point. It's a good point.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because but you would still if at twelve,

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Speaker 3: Ashton Genty's there at twelve, you would still entertain.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I'm taking Gentcy at twelve.

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Speaker 6: So even then.

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Speaker 3: There's a chance that you still don't go with that

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Speaker 3: because of how special of a prospect he becomes.

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Speaker 8: You just can't pass on that guy.

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Speaker 7: And and I see a lot of people on the internet,

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Speaker 7: you know, co workers, you know what I'm saying, that

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Speaker 7: are just hating the idea of Genty at twelve, Like,

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Speaker 7: don't overthink the best guys me, don't don't overthink the

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Speaker 7: best guy there.

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So your answer is running back, I would question that

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Speaker 2: was at hand.

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Speaker 7: I would I would take the running back. I wouldn't

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Speaker 7: take the running back over McMillan if he's there or

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Speaker 7: something like that, like but most likely he's gonna be

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Speaker 7: the best dude on the board. He's going to be

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Speaker 7: the last elite guy on the board. I'm taking James.

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Speaker 2: But if he's not there, you're okay with waiting on

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Speaker 2: running back until the.

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Speaker 8: Fifth I would have then, like a running back with

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Speaker 8: the names.

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Speaker 9: You said, yeah, but the names. But if those names

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Speaker 9: are not there, then you know I'm not okay with that.

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Speaker 8: Where's the run?

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Speaker 7: Where's the where's the the big wipeout running back run?

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Speaker 2: It's gonna go from thirty six to forty three?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's going to be happening now anywhere.

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Speaker 9: Fron I think you're onto something I I do, and

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Speaker 9: and maybe I know Jeff Cavanin had this discussion. He

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Speaker 9: doesn't think the run that it's gonna happen. There's gonna

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Speaker 9: be somebody there like a Henderson or or one of

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Speaker 9: these guys. Blue Smith, You're gonna be there in the

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Speaker 9: third round to get But I tell you what, I

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Speaker 9: feel a lot better about the third round now after watching.

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Speaker 5: Blue and Smith both play.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd feel a lot better that those guys better

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Speaker 9: than what Neil at Kansas. If you look at me

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Speaker 9: from Alburn, you know, I know, I know Gettings, I

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Speaker 9: know Vatch loves Gettings and he's saying, probably you loved

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Speaker 9: him as well.

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Speaker 6: I like both those Kansas Kansas Neil and then getting

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Speaker 6: from getting State as well.

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Speaker 5: This thing is going just thing's going to stretch for you.

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Speaker 7: Then, Brand, don't leg it is because he's slow, right, Brand,

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Speaker 7: tell him till the people.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Gettings is fast. No, I don't like

661
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Speaker 3: him for that reason. Yes, I like Neil because he's

662
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: got some versatility. You talk about guys that can catch

663
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: out of the backfield. He reminds me of Tony Pollard.

664
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Speaker 3: But they just didn't split him out wide at Kansas.

665
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard, like half of his snaps at Memphis were

666
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: out wide. I see a similar type of build there,

667
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: all right. Zach on Twitter says, is there a player

668
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Speaker 3: that over the last two drafts if they step up

669
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: big this year, you could ensure that they step up big.

670
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: That would give you peace to lower the priority on

671
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: some of these other spots. Is there one guy over

672
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: the last two drafts that you could place that on?

673
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Just one guy, just one.

674
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Speaker 7: I would love for Tyler guy to be what everybody

675
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 7: thought he was. Okay, I would love because now I

676
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 7: don't have to do Now I'm not worrying about tackle

677
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 7: at all. If if he shows up and is a

678
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 7: dude and y'all get the points, y'all finger laugh at me, Like,

679
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 7: if I just look at Tyler game, I would love it.

680
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 7: I would love it the pieces. I just don't know

681
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 7: if that's gonna be a thing.

682
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 5: Mozzie Smith for me? Man, still there.

683
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, if Mozzie Smith were to play big time ball,

684
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 9: and that made me feel so much better about this

685
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 9: defit defensive tackle room because right now I'm looking at

686
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Speaker 9: ones and threes big time.

687
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 8: Yeah.

688
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 6: Man, you could go Jaalen Tolbert, but he's in the

689
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 6: last year for y'all, go Ryan Flinoy, Like you need

690
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 6: somebody that can step up in that receiver room because

691
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 6: because right now, I mean, who is your compliment to

692
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Speaker 6: ceedee Lamb? I mean Tolbert. You're going into year four

693
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Speaker 6: now and he hasn't proven to be consistent, So I mean,

694
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Speaker 6: is it?

695
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 14: Is it?

696
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 6: Flinoy? Is it a guy that I think we all

697
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 6: like and can see the potential on the upside there.

698
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Speaker 6: I'd love that. It makes me feel better about it.

699
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Speaker 6: If if we were going to skip on a position group,

700
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Speaker 6: we don't go wide receiver, I feel much better about that.

701
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 8: Panell, what do y'all think the plan is with Mingo?

702
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 13: Like?

703
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 8: What's the plan with him?

704
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 10: Like?

705
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Speaker 7: Do y'all think that was just a dice roll? Or

706
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Speaker 7: do you or do you think that they really have

707
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Speaker 7: an idea that he's going to be a part this

708
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Speaker 7: thing moving forward.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they spend a fourth round pick if

710
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Speaker 3: they didn't expect him to be in the thought process

711
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Speaker 3: moving forward.

712
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Speaker 6: I hope they have a plan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's mine.

714
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Speaker 3: I know hope is not a strategy, but it apparently

715
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Speaker 3: is here whenever it comes to Giant.

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Speaker 6: I think their planning he's going to be one of

717
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Speaker 6: your top three receivers this year. Why else are you

718
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Speaker 6: giving up a fourth round pick for That's what? I'm right?

719
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Speaker 6: So I agree.

720
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you why they gave a fourth for Rampick.

721
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Speaker 7: But I mean they building on one. It's all bad

722
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 7: about these people and they building on a microphone did

723
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 7: they pay for? But I just don't see where he

724
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 7: fits in where he plays well.

725
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Speaker 9: The thing about him is he's with from a really

726
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 9: a previous regime except for the head coach was on

727
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 9: the staff. So the head coach had better have the

728
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 9: plan because everybody else and coming in here receivers coach

729
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 9: is asking me, okay, tell me why we have this

730
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 9: guy here? Why is this guy on our football team?

731
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Speaker 9: So head coach is going to have to be the

732
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Speaker 9: guy to sell that one.

733
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: Uh with the This is from Harry on Twitter with

734
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs injury and Jay Lou's uncertainty entering und unrestricted

735
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: free agency. Why isn't corner a talking point.

736
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Speaker 2: At twelve or forty?

737
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Speaker 5: I know I've talked about.

738
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Speaker 3: It is We have talked about it a little bit.

739
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: I know we've hit that name at the top a bunch.

740
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Speaker 6: You know.

741
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Speaker 9: The thought about it is, let me ask you guys this,

742
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Speaker 9: And I don't and I not that I would be

743
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 9: happy about it, but I'd understand it if Will Johnson

744
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 9: from Michigan got there to twelve. Would you take him?

745
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 9: It depends on who else is on the board. But

746
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 9: let's say he's your best corner.

747
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: Best corner, Yeah that is Matt, I just picked Somens.

748
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: I would love to trade back in that scenario. But

749
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm you know what, I'm not gonna went bad. I'll

750
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: say yes, I'll about you will Chuck, No, I wouldn't

751
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: see this what scares me. That's another spot that scares me.

752
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know if we're right or wrong about

753
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: this guy. I don't know that about Johnson specifically.

754
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, because it felt like and Vach and I have

755
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 9: we've been tracking this with our show for really you know,

756
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 9: better part of us several months here, and he started

757
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 9: off as a top three guy, and now you're start

758
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 9: to see him go down and down and down. And

759
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 9: I wonder if that I wonder if the league thinks

760
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 9: about him the same way that we've all kind of

761
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 9: thought about that, that one would scare me a little bit,

762
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Speaker 9: even even I might even consider like another guy, like

763
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 9: you know, I wonder if Baron would be there, john

764
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 9: I would take Baron over him above Johnson.

765
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Speaker 3: So if Baron's there, I would take Johnson. But you

766
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: were saying highest rated corner.

767
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 9: If he was if But yeah, I mean I wonder

768
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 9: if they would like Baron, they would like Johnson more

769
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 9: than Baron.

770
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Speaker 7: Do you think that they would like Johnson more than

771
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 7: the wide receivers on the board.

772
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: No, like Golden in that wide receivers, like Golden in.

773
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 7: Abuke, Burdon, Golden Abuka. Of course, you know McMillan, but

774
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 7: like those those those four wire receivers. I had them

775
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 7: over Johnson. But do you think that Dallas thinks that way?

776
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 6: I think it's it's possible that they do like Will

777
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 6: Johnson a lot.

778
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very possible. The conversations I've had, I think

779
00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: they do.

780
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 8: Yeah.

781
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 6: I mean, he's got the frame for it. But they

782
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: like the receivers too. Don't get me wrong. Now, if

783
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: the right receiver is there.

784
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: And Ashton Genty is not, then I think you're you're

785
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: gonna pick a receiver over Will Johnson. I just I

786
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: could see a very realistic conversation you would take. We're

787
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: talking Will Johnson after the twelfth pick.

788
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 9: What's the last receiver you would take over him? Uh,

789
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 9: burden of Buca, Golden.

790
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 7: No, we haven't ranked a little different, but I have

791
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 7: all those guys over Johnson.

792
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: See, I don't have a BUKA in Golden over Johnson.

793
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: I do, but I like Johnson a little bit more

794
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: than I think most people do.

795
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 5: That's fine.

796
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: I got McMillan, hunterg Buca, Burden, Golden Yep. Those are

797
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 6: the guys that i'd consider all over Will Johnson. I

798
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 6: would hope, And I could be losing my mind, you know,

799
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 6: I would hope you ain't losing enoughing is that you're right?

800
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Speaker 9: God, I would hope that they would take that wide

801
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 9: receiver over him if that was the case. But to

802
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 9: be honest with you, the question is very good there

803
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 9: because we don't know what's gonna happen with Diggs. I mean,

804
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 9: his his rehab carried all the way in through training camp.

805
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 5: Yep. You don't know how that's going to play out,

806
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 5: and stuff like.

807
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: He may not be ready for week one, and if

808
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: you're playing without him week one, what injury is?

809
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 9: You needed Carson? You needed Carson to play really well.

810
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 9: It's what you needed last You needed to show he

811
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 9: could be And hopefully if you talk about a guy

812
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 9: that needs to jump, Carson car needs to jump.

813
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 6: I think Revel's the sleeper for me, like if he's

814
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 6: a guy that clears medically, I think Revel's better than

815
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 6: Johnson and they're the same size.

816
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: That's that's another medical.

817
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: Ravel is really I love him now.

818
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: He was a top three corner prior to the injury.

819
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 8: Sure if he was up there.

820
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Speaker 3: In the same conversation with will Johnson, Brent out of

821
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Speaker 3: Think's Carolina.

822
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 7: By the way, Brian, please let me ask you this,

823
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 7: So where do you think the better value at corner is?

824
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 8: Right?

825
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 7: Like Johnson at twelve. We can have a conversations about,

826
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Speaker 7: you know, whether we're making just value as right or

827
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 7: are you looking at day two right like you know

828
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 7: we looking at Morrison that we're looking at Amos or

829
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Speaker 7: Thompson orter Noel Williams. You know we had that conversation

830
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 7: by him Nolan like Noel Williams in the third Just

831
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 7: in my personal opinion, I think I have much better value.

832
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 9: If you haven't watched no Williams play from California, from California,

833
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 9: please do please do you'll, you'll, you'll you'll.

834
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Speaker 5: Thank us later for this one.

835
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Speaker 9: I kind of feel like though to me that those

836
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Speaker 9: I have a feeling all those corners are going to

837
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 9: be gone maybe those second round corners that you and

838
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 9: I were talking about Thomas from Florida State has I mean,

839
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Speaker 9: I mean, I think that all those long rangey corners

840
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 9: that can run a little bit are all going to

841
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 9: be gone. Here people struggling to find corners in this league.

842
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 6: Kind of like a couple of defishent guys like the

843
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 6: skinny Kobe Bryant from Case from Kansas. I love him

844
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 6: mellow also they do, and then I'll fight for Parish

845
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 6: from k State. I know he's shorter at five to ten,

846
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 6: but I love his demeanor.

847
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: Man, how much K State film? Do you watch? Cooper bb.

848
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 6: K State's bumping out some studs and you're saying.

849
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: How many big twelve titles?

850
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 8: If they won?

851
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 6: They should have won one this year?

852
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 8: Hey, don't you dare let him talk?

853
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 6: Hey, how many big twelve titles of Patrick Mahomes win

854
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 6: in college? He the best quarterback in the NFL. He is,

855
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 6: So I don't think that matters, right if the play

856
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 6: how many other Texas the players have been out of

857
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 6: have been having great careers in the Mahomes should be

858
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 6: the one and Todge Brooks is about to be another one.

859
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 6: Let's go, baby, I do like I love Todge Brooks.

860
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 6: All right, we gotta takes Chris Carson of this draft.

861
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

862
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's a good conference.

863
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 5: Chris.

864
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: Okay, Oklahoma State. I'm here for it, all right. When

865
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: we come back here on the Draft Show, I got

866
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Speaker 3: a game. I want to play, guys, I want to

867
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Speaker 3: try and tab. Let's let's make some predictions here. Who's

868
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: going to be an all pro, who's going to be

869
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: a multi pro bowler, Who's going to be a ten

870
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Speaker 3: year starter. I'll explain it a little bit more when

871
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 3: we get back with more of the Draft Show right

872
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Speaker 3: after this.

873
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Speaker 14: I'm Darren Woods, the former Dallas Cowboy player and Super

874
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 14: Bowl champion. When I played in the NFL at a

875
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 14: high level, I relied on my vision to see the field.

876
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 14: As I started getting older, I noticed my vision wasn't

877
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 14: that's good and I was getting frustrated from wearing my

878
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Speaker 14: glasses all day.

879
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 8: I went to.

880
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Right, yeah, I get a lot done.

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Speaker 8: Already fall. I like the weekend much That was much better.

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Speaker 2: That was like the twenty old weekend.

935
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Speaker 6: Twelve week was that Chiefs Box? Yeah?

936
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: Wow, man, that wild time is flying. Tom Brady won

937
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Speaker 2: that super Bow.

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Speaker 3: with Chris Beaman back.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeomans. I got a game that we want.

942
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Speaker 3: To play a little bit here, all right, So listen

943
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: closely for those at home so you can keep up.

944
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: I've got three tiers of players. We're talking ceiling here.

945
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: This could be any.

946
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: Position across the board in the NFL draft. I want

947
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: these guys to pick up their crystal ball and look

948
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: into the future. I want you to tell me one

949
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: player in each of these levels all pro so good

950
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: enough to make the All Pro list at least once

951
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: throughout their career. He's going to be an All Pro,

952
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: no doubt about it in your mind. An example of

953
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: this would be Ashton Gent. He might be the best

954
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: running back in the league one day. Who cares Cooper

955
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: BB last year?

956
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: There you go?

957
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, multi state, multi time pro bowler, somebody that's

958
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: going to lead the way at their position, but maybe

959
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: not the best at their position enough to go to

960
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: multiple Pro Bowls throughout their career.

961
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: Mike Green could be an example.

962
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: He may not be the best ad dresser in football,

963
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: but he's going to be damn good. He's going to

964
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: make a lot of noise. Tyler Booker would be a

965
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: ten year starter opportunity, right, like somebody that's not going

966
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: to be a Pro bowler or anything like that, but

967
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: he's going to be a great player across the board.

968
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: So taking those examples out of the occasion there, I

969
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: just wanted to kind of outline it for those that

970
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: might be listening.

971
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: You're all pro, multi pro bowlers.

972
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: And ten year starters. Look like we'll start with all prosvotch.

973
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 7: Tyler book is gonna be fantastic, by the way, Okay,

974
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 7: I just wanted to use an example. What all pros man.

975
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 7: I'll go Andrew Macouba, the safety from Texas.

976
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: He's my that's a good one.

977
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 7: He's my safety one. And a lot of people ain't

978
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 7: gonna fool with that, but they'll be all right. I

979
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 7: love that there's not a lot of free safeties. You

980
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 7: can just point at in the league and be like, oh,

981
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 7: he's the best free safeties, like one, two or three

982
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 7: of them, and he's the dude that gets picks. And

983
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 7: if you're a free safety that can be a ballhawk

984
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 7: and get picks. I got a ton of faith in you.

985
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 7: So I have a crystal ball. I'm saying that he's

986
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 7: gonna be one of the best free safeties in the

987
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 7: whole game ever.

988
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: All Right, what about you, Brian Mason Graham?

989
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 9: I think is gonna be one of these guys when

990
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 9: you start to talk about with this these defensive tackles,

991
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 9: how active, he's going to find ways to make plays

992
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 9: along the line of scrimmage. He's gonna make plays behind

993
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 9: the line of scrimmage. He's gonna make place outside the

994
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 9: tackle box. He's also gonna get your sacks and pro too.

995
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 9: Mason Graham is going to be a multiple All Pro

996
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 9: player for you in the NFL.

997
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 6: Nice m you know what I'll go, uh Man, is

998
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 6: this I don't want to go low hanging fruit here.

999
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: Give me Tyler Warren Penn State, Yeah, tight end. I'm

1000
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 6: an advocate for Tyler Warren. I am, I mean, he

1001
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 6: holds Penn State tight end records for receptions only big

1002
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 6: ten tight end with four plus rushing touchdowns. This a

1003
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: guy can just do everything for you. And I think

1004
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 6: you saw the impact of brock Bauers was able to have.

1005
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 6: Now he's different, Like it doesn't look the same, the

1006
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 6: production can be the same. Brock Bower is a little

1007
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 6: bit more smooth, quicker route runnings, a little bit more clean.

1008
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 6: I totally get the clunkiness factor, right, That's why you

1009
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 6: get comms for Gronk when it comes to Tyler Warren.

1010
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 6: But the dude's just productive. He gets the game, he

1011
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 6: understands finding holes in his own coverage being able to

1012
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 6: get open. I think the blocking is good enough. I

1013
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 6: think he can improve there. But he's a very willing blocker.

1014
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 6: You see him wind up at full back sometimes and

1015
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 6: lead the way there. So to me, I mean anybody

1016
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 6: not named Travis Hunter ashenty in this draft, I'm betting

1017
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 6: on Tyler Warren to be an absolute stud.

1018
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: That's a really good one.

1019
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: I'll put Tetoa mcmill and that might be low hanging out.

1020
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: There's a chance he's a top five pick. I certainly

1021
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: have him as a top five player in this draft.

1022
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: I have said it before on the show. I think

1023
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: he's Mike Evans two point zero. I really do love

1024
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: to think the fight game. I agree with size, the versatility,

1025
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 3: the route running, I mean all of it, the deep

1026
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: threat ability. He's super consistent at all three levels. Give

1027
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: this guy the football, let him make some plays. Teteroa

1028
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: McMillan would be.

1029
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: My foresure bet at all pro moving forward.

1030
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 9: If he's there at twelve, I would take that player.

1031
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the other direction here, let's

1032
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: go with pro bowler, multi pro bowler. Who's on the

1033
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: list for that one?

1034
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 6: I think a mecheg Buca. You know, this is a dude.

1035
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 6: I just love his bill, his size. Played primarily in

1036
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 6: the slot this past year, but he's a tremendous blocker.

1037
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 6: You know, he's a guy that I think. You see

1038
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 6: what Jordan Addison's done with the Minnesota Vikings. He can

1039
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 6: come and he's always had to play second fiddle to

1040
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: whoever it was was a JSN last year, two years

1041
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 6: Joe's Martin Harrison Junior, last year's Jeremiah Smith. Like, this

1042
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 6: guy doesn't care, right, He's a selfless type of player,

1043
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 6: strong body control. Loved the dude, overall, he runs terrific routes.

1044
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 6: There's not a whole lot to knock when it comes

1045
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 6: to dig Bookie. He's one of the most clean players

1046
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 6: in this draft. Is he ever going to be an

1047
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 6: all Pro? I don't know, but I do think he's

1048
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 6: going to be one of the better wide receivers to

1049
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 6: come out of this draft. It's a good.

1050
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: Good spot for him.

1051
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1052
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 9: Ceiling wise, Benjamin Morris, the corner from Notre Dame, I

1053
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 9: think is going to be a guy when he's if

1054
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 9: if the injury things check out about him. I mean,

1055
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 9: he's had a couple of things where he's dealt with hips,

1056
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 9: but it's six foot one and ninety pounds. This kid

1057
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 9: is super competitive. The lateral quickness, everything about him is outstanding.

1058
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 9: He plays with a fluid element to his game. You know,

1059
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 9: his back pedal is controlled and all that. He's able

1060
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 9: to kind of adjust in routes and stuff like that.

1061
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 9: I could see somebody taking him and just plugging him

1062
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 9: right in. He is so competitive in the way he plays.

1063
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 9: The only thing maybe holding back might be the injury stuff.

1064
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 9: But this guy's a hell of a football player.

1065
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 6: It's hips man.

1066
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 7: Oh, we'll go with Donovan Jackson. Yeah, I love that

1067
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 7: Ohio State right lines up. Whoops, folk move folk, and

1068
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 7: that's my favorite kind of guard.

1069
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 8: Just be cause y'all know, you.

1070
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 6: Know, he's the best offensive lineman in the draft.

1071
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 7: Hey man, you know, don't just be saying stuff like

1072
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 7: that is well, well, why didn't you have amia in

1073
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 7: your pro.

1074
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 6: I've talked about him in a couple of other platforms.

1075
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 6: I wanted to change it up.

1076
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 7: I think I think him having him having the ability

1077
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 7: to play a guard and tackle will bode well for

1078
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 7: those you know voters that like, you know, oh well

1079
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 7: he played guard and then he went to go play tackle.

1080
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 7: They love stories and storylines and things like that. Donovan

1081
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 7: Jacksons a guy this great for it, so he'll be

1082
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 7: a pro bowler at some point.

1083
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 6: I love that pick.

1084
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

1085
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: I'll go with Jahadd Campbell, Alabama linebacker to be a

1086
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: Pro bowler again. He's he's a guy that's going to

1087
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: control your defense. He'll probably wear a green dot pretty

1088
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: early in his career. You're going to see him come

1089
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: in and immediately make an impact. But I think he

1090
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: still has room to grow into that spot and he

1091
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: may make an All Pro list at some point, but

1092
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: I think his ceiling is more so like a you

1093
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: think about what Zach Bond did the Eagles this past year.

1094
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: I'm not comparing the two players, but just think about

1095
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: the impact in the middle of a defense. He could

1096
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: be one hundred tackle guy a year. I think that

1097
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: would get him to a pro bowler two down the line.

1098
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: All right, ten year starter, but not good enough to

1099
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: be a perennial Pro bowler or an All Pro. Some

1100
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: guy that somebody that you can draft and is going

1101
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: to be for sure in your starting lineup.

1102
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: Brian, I'll let you.

1103
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 5: Start TJ Toomlow from Ohio j A.

1104
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: T T taking my guy.

1105
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 6: I thought I said that last one you got it

1106
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 6: to Milola, right.

1107
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 7: So I don't know if you imagine what you'lo.

1108
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: We got. We'll figure it out when.

1109
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: Well, this guy is gonna play.

1110
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 9: He's gonna play a long time in this league because

1111
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 9: he's a guy that when you look at him at

1112
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 9: Ohio State, he played a lot in college. He's a

1113
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 9: very steady player. There's nothing really expectactlar about his game.

1114
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 9: He plays the run, he could get you occasional pass.

1115
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 9: You can line him up in all different spots right there.

1116
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 9: This kid has not ever missed, has never missed a

1117
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 9: game in his college career. He is going to come

1118
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 9: into the league. He's gonna have the same kind of

1119
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 9: work ethic. He's gonna be productive. You're gonna love him.

1120
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 9: He's never gonna be probably good enough to be a

1121
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 9: Pro Bowl guy, but you're gonna love him on your

1122
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 9: defensive line.

1123
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 5: J T T.

1124
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 7: Do you think Roer Gray Zabel from North Dakota States

1125
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 7: as a center as everything? And that's why he's gonna

1126
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 7: be in the league. And one time, you know, we

1127
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 7: just we just wake up one day and we see

1128
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 7: these offensive line like, oh, Cody Fort playing guard for

1129
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 7: the Bengals. Now, like when that happened, right, I think

1130
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 7: Grays was gonna be one of those guys like he's

1131
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 7: he's probably gonna be a guard for somebody. He's gonna

1132
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 7: go to another school, another team and be like, oh,

1133
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 7: well can you play center for us?

1134
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 8: Fine?

1135
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 7: And I think in one pench he'll probably play tackle

1136
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 7: for somebody. You know, because he's on film playing everything.

1137
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 7: And I have a ton of confidence that he has

1138
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 7: great film everywhere. Some dudes just play everywhere, but they

1139
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 7: play it just to be playing everywhere. I think great

1140
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 7: Zabel has fantastic film. I'll say pretty good film. I

1141
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 7: don't want to say fantastic. He has pretty good film everywhere.

1142
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 7: And he went to the Senior Bowl and had some

1143
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 7: pretty good Senior Bowl practice lining up everywhere. I think

1144
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 7: that's worth being a ten year due for somebody.

1145
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go with Caleb Johnson, running back from Iowa.

1146
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 8: Oh Okay, he's gonna be a Pro Bowl.

1147
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: He might be a Pro bowler, but I just don't

1148
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 3: know if I can see. And it's tough with running

1149
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: back because if you are going to be in the

1150
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: league for ten years as a running back, you're probably

1151
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: going to make.

1152
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: A Pro bowler too.

1153
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: But one of the more decorated running backs in Iowa

1154
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: program history. He had fifteen hundred rushing yards and twenty

1155
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: one touchdowns in his final season, led to big ten

1156
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: in both of those categories, but it was the six

1157
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: and a half yards per carry you talk about, explosive

1158
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 3: first step, smart, durable runner. The durable is where I'm

1159
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: putting ten years of his career together. He's got a

1160
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: wide base, allows for the good balance and ability to

1161
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: break tackles at the second level gets to the second

1162
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: level first, and the vision and timing as he waits

1163
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 3: for those blocks to develop is all very fantastic. Good

1164
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: red zone runner, which means even if he does lose

1165
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: a step eight nine years down the line, I still

1166
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: think he's a guy that could be in the mix.

1167
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: So I know it's kind of risky to take a

1168
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: running back and put place a ten year tag on him,

1169
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: but I think he if there was a guy that

1170
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: could do it, and he's going to outlast the rest

1171
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: of the running backs in this class.

1172
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: I think Caleb Johnson is the guy to do that.

1173
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 6: Well, Brian poached my guy, JTT, who is better than

1174
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 6: Captain Jack Sawyer's teammate by the way, I'll fighting, I

1175
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 6: know you're watching. Wow, JTT is a better roll around

1176
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 6: Player's gonna better NFL player than his teammate. There, why

1177
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 6: do you hate? I don't hate Sawyer. I don't hate Sawyer.

1178
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 6: I just JGTS is one of the guys that's being

1179
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 6: slept on in this year's draft, Like he Bury Marshaw

1180
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 6: Neelan like to me, like, is he ever gonna be

1181
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 6: a double digit sack guy? I don't know, but I

1182
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 6: feel that He's going to be good for a long

1183
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 6: long time in the year.

1184
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: You feel good about marshaon Neelan, that's good?

1185
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: I do now, yeah, I do?

1186
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: Uh?

1187
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 6: Whyatt milem Let's go while Milea out of West Virginia

1188
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 6: started thirty two to thirty six games, including thirty one

1189
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 6: in a row. Iron Mountaineer Award did not allow a

1190
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 6: sacker quarterback hitting his junior season in twenty twenty three.

1191
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 6: He's played right tackle as a freshman that moved to

1192
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 6: left tackle. He played defensive tackle in high school. She's

1193
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 6: got a little bit of that, that defensive mentality as well.

1194
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 6: I like this guy. I think he can pull around

1195
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 6: the edge. She's impressive. I thought against Abdol Carter and

1196
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 6: the opener. I think you can play tackle if you

1197
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 6: need him to. But he's ideally a guard. I like

1198
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 6: him in a phone booth working combo blocks with the

1199
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 6: tackler of the center. I think he's a clean player,

1200
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 6: and he showed a tremendous amount of consistency on tape.

1201
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 6: Strong upper body, smooth lateral movement. I think he can

1202
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 6: sink his hips, play with good pad level. He does

1203
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 6: play with braces right, two big old braces on those knees.

1204
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 6: But who the hell's not these days? I feel like

1205
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 6: every one of these offensive line and you're watching.

1206
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: They're looking at CINEC right now, and there's not a

1207
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: single person on the ope.

1208
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're all wearing these big old braces.

1209
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: No, they none of them had a brace.

1210
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 6: Oh Cincinnati, Well that's why their offense line that. Yeah,

1211
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 6: probably spend a minute of the damn Breakay, go ahead,

1212
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 6: get those braces. But he's a finisher and I like

1213
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 6: that when it comes to dude like Wyatt Milen, He's

1214
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 6: that's some meanness to his game.

1215
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good one.

1216
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: Any honorable mentions of this group that we've kind of

1217
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: been thinking out somebody that you might have wanted to

1218
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: talk about but didn't get a chance to just before

1219
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: we close out.

1220
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got one four year two if I could.

1221
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 9: I want to talk about this young man because we

1222
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 9: get to him though, but because I think I think

1223
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 9: Exavier watch the safety Notre Dame. Yeah, you know Notre Dame.

1224
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 9: All of a sudden, you know their defense and what

1225
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 9: they've been able to do. You know, the playoff run

1226
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 9: they had. Xavier wats a big part of that. He

1227
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 9: is a right time. He's at the right time kind

1228
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 9: of a player. You know, he's always in position, he

1229
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 9: gets turnovers. This guy was a converted wide receiver. That's

1230
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 9: just I think his best football is ahead of him

1231
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 9: playing safety. I wouldn't call him an elite athlete, but

1232
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 9: he moves and he runs well, and he really trusts

1233
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 9: his eyes and the way he plays, and you could

1234
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 9: tell that's the way he does. I think he's going

1235
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 9: to play in the league for a long long time.

1236
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 9: Xavier Watts Notre Dame.

1237
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

1238
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 6: Hi, I playery. I put in my notes like, I'm

1239
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 6: not sure how you can dislike this guy when you

1240
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 6: Watchets He's tough, he's awesome.

1241
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 8: Real.

1242
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Zach just likes guys that play in

1243
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: cornfields because I know Notre Dame's not in a cornfield,

1244
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 3: but he's from Omaha.

1245
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, hey, he's from Omaha.

1246
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 6: I do you like me some Nebraska as well? Go

1247
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 6: big Red? How about Alfred Collins, defensive tackle from Texas.

1248
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 6: All right, we're talking a lot about these defensive tackles

1249
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 6: in Alfred Collins's name is not getting mentioned enough. Fifth

1250
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 6: year senior let all Texas d Lineman with seven pass breakups.

1251
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: He had a rep in that Georgian da.

1252
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 6: And I've said it before and I know it's crazy.

1253
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 6: I don't want to compare him to this guy because

1254
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 6: this is elite level play, but he has flashes of

1255
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 6: Chris Jones to me when I watch him play. I

1256
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 6: love Alfred Collins where he technically sound second round forty four,

1257
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 6: I'd take him there, and I think he's better than

1258
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 6: t J.

1259
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 2: Sanders.

1260
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 6: I think he's better than day On Walker.

1261
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 7: Uh.

1262
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 6: To me, I like him more than Walter Nolan, I

1263
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 6: do personally. But he's disruptive. He can push the pocket,

1264
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 6: it works, stunts well, shot and shed gets off blocks.

1265
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 6: But he's great in the run game. I mean to me,

1266
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 6: this is a one tag that is also going to

1267
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: give you really good pass rush ability. So he is

1268
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 6: going to shut down the run, can take on double teams,

1269
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 6: he can improve his finish like. He's easy guy that

1270
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 6: does have some warts to his game. He's not perfect

1271
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 6: by any means or else. I'd advocate him for twelve,

1272
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 6: but I love Alfred Collins and in a really stacked

1273
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 6: defensive tackle draft, he's a guy that I'll stand on

1274
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 6: the table for and I'll fight for Alfred Collins.

1275
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 2: And you might be on that island alone there, fine

1276
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: with me, Yeah.

1277
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 5: Go for it.

1278
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 9: Jordan Phillips, I think is a better player for Maryland.

1279
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 9: And I also feel like that CJ. West from Indiana

1280
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 9: is a better player.

1281
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 6: Oh. I saw both of them live and Shrine Bowl

1282
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 6: with you vatch, but I would disagree on both of those.

1283
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 8: Tyler Williams Ohio State.

1284
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 6: I like tylerk Lot.

1285
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 8: Tyler Wiives is a bad boy.

1286
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good.

1287
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 6: I've got Tyler and he moves like a g They're

1288
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 6: both right there in the second round.

1289
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 7: For me, Well, Tyler Williams is a guy that I'm

1290
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 7: gonna go with. And you know, he's not a guy

1291
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 7: that just does one thing, but he's bad at another thing.

1292
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 7: He's powerful, strong, and he moves like great effort, great

1293
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 7: movement for his size. I think he has a really

1294
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 7: good first steps. Is bad at Alfric Collins. Yeah, I

1295
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 7: don't think Collins is a complete player just yet. I

1296
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 7: think he's really athletic. I think he can be a

1297
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 7: consistent run player sometimes, but I think sometimes he gets

1298
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 7: lost in the fight, Like like.

1299
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 5: Question, you see him losing the ball.

1300
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 7: Like he'll get engaged with the offensive lineman and it

1301
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 7: becomes be fighting this offensive lineman. But he gets but

1302
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 7: he forgets the fundamental things that I think he has

1303
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 7: the upside to be a really good pass rusher from

1304
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 7: the inside, but he doesn't really have the hands in

1305
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 7: the tool belt just yet. But he's a he's a

1306
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 7: ball of clay ish, really good athlete, one tech guy.

1307
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: So like, would you have trouble with forty four?

1308
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 8: Yeah? I have problem?

1309
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Speaker 5: Would yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because because and this goes back to our Nolan

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Speaker 7: Uh he's around there. So I got Collins in the

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00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 7: fourth round, and that's all right.

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Speaker 14: Wow.

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Speaker 7: So these are the guys I got. These are the

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 7: guys I got better than Collins, Graham, Grant Williams, Harmon

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00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 7: no Lynd TJ. Sanders Chang's not better Darius Alexander like Toledo, Norman, C. J.

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00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 7: West uh uh, Jordan Phillips. And I got Deon Walker.

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00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 7: I might switch Dean Walker thre because he looking a

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00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 7: little laser right now.

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Speaker 2: But I'm halfway with with Tyler Williams.

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00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 6: I just got lacks consistency.

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00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 8: Tyler.

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00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 7: This is my problem with with you saying that he

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00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 7: least consists This is my problem with you saying that

1325
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 7: because you love Dereck Harmon, Right, And I went back

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00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 7: and did a deep dive on on on On Harmon,

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00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 7: and I think his best game was like Boise or

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00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 7: something like that. He was going to have to beating

1329
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 7: the hell out the boys State kids.

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Speaker 6: But I didn't stay it was pret damn good too.

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00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 7: Sure, I thought he fell off a little bit versus

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00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 7: some of the better guys, Right, I didn't think Tylee

1333
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 7: fell off at all. And this is versus Texas, Penn State, Michigan,

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00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 7: this is versus Tennessee, Notre Dame. I don't think Tyler

1335
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 7: with the playoff he stood out. I don't think he has.

1336
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 7: But if you're watching for the.

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00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 6: Playoffs, if you if you watch him before the playoff,

1338
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 6: which is what I did because I've seen him before

1339
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 6: the playoffs started, he definitely is. He got that. I

1340
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 6: thought had some consistency issues with his game. I want

1341
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 6: to see him put together more consistency. I think he's

1342
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 6: a flash player, is what I played.

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00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 8: He was a flash player.

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00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 6: Hey, Jack sawyer as send it in the playoff, which

1345
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 6: is hey, there's something to be said about that, right,

1346
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 6: big time games. But I think some of the stuff.

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00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 6: You're knocking Outfred Collins for I could go ahead and

1348
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 6: pick apart Tyler Williams too, if that's what we want

1349
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 6: to do here.

1350
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 8: I think I think it shows about hold on me

1351
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 8: and me and Wilson.

1352
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 7: I think Tyler Wiggs beat the hell out of all

1353
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 7: the misky kids, out of all the Penn State kids

1354
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 7: that he ran even the Oregon guys right like you know,

1355
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 7: like he had a he he ran into them.

1356
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 6: And Alfred Collins was being the hell out of Georgia

1357
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 6: both times they played. Did it against Ohio statt A Well.

1358
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 5: He got knocked around against Georgia and that.

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00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 9: Oh no, the first the second first one got knocked around.

1360
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: The whole Texas team had played.

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00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 6: He played against against.

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Speaker 7: I'll just say this, I think I think Williams is

1363
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 7: the face of like playing in playout, game in game

1364
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 7: game in came out, consistency. And he's the three hundred

1365
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 7: and I think he's three. He looks three forty. And

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00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 7: he does look big and and and and and he's

1367
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 7: not just doing the eight gap stuff like if they're

1368
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 7: running sweeps and outside zon he's hot tailing his over

1369
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 7: there to the outside.

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00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: He's that one tech that can also give you all

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00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 6: that wiggle that you want. I like Tyler Williams.

1372
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh, he's my third guy after Grant.

1373
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 6: But I don't think there's a big drop off between

1374
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 6: him and now for Collins at all.

1375
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: Well, I actually have them touching tags. I have Williams

1376
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: ahead of Collins, but they're right there for me.

1377
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 8: Bryan, you go because shaking.

1378
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 9: No, No, we're running out of time. I'm with you

1379
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 9: on this one, though. Watch I'm you have him further down,

1380
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 9: much further. Where do you have him?

1381
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1382
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 9: I have him in the fourth round? Oh coins, where

1383
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 9: do you have just I have in the in the

1384
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 9: let's see where I have Tyler Williams. I think I

1385
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 9: had him in the second round, should have in a

1386
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 9: second in the second. Grant Williams Harmon won my three

1387
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 9: second round. Where do you have Sanders in the third?

1388
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 8: Third round?

1389
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 9: I got Sanders Norman Lott hyphenated name there, and then

1390
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 9: Alexander in the third Alexander?

1391
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 8: What round you got?

1392
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 6: Third?

1393
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, I got me in three.

1394
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 3: I haven't watched Alexander yet as a bad boy, A

1395
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: really good from Toledo. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna go a

1396
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: lot higher than he was a senior Bowl guy, but

1397
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: I didn't his tape from true.

1398
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 6: Okay, Alexander Norman Lott. Who do you like more? There?

1399
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: Norman Lott? Right now, I've got Norman Lot over Alexander.

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00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 7: I have, I have Norman Lott. Pardon me, I gotta okay?

1401
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 7: So okay, I got normally see this is my thing, right,

1402
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 7: Norman Lott is the bona fide pass rush guy.

1403
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, Alexander does everything right like Alexander.

1404
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 7: Little Alexander over Norman lat But Norman Latt does what

1405
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 7: the league wants. Was the past rushy thing. So I'm

1406
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 7: a probably just flip flopping. But I got Alexander over Norman.

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00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 6: Okay, let's go.

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00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 7: Yes, this is this is a fluid board. I will

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00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 7: I will change it whenever I feel and we see

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 7: Alexander though, Alexander, that's a great point though.

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00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: Remember when you're building the boards at home and you're

1412
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: taking notes and you're watching this show and you're thinking

1413
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: about everything, things will change. There's still sixty five days

1414
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: to the NFL Draft. It's all gonna be fluid, it's

1415
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: all gonna change. We may come back in a month

1416
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: and a half and Zach's gonna have Tyler Williams over.

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00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 6: Alfie might have to be my number one defensive back.

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 6: Figure it out along the way.

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00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: But that's what's fun.

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00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 5: Time became.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 2: That does it for us here on the Draft Show

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Speaker 2: sixty five days.

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Speaker 3: As I said, from the NFL Draft, We'll be back

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Speaker 3: on Thursday to continue breaking it down for you. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna talk to some assistant coaches, maybe get a better

1427
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: idea of how this board's starting to come together. Momentarily,

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Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody's asking draft questions. I hope Bobby's

1429
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: over there asking all the chu we'll see for Brian

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Speaker 3: brought us for Voch Lombardi, Zach Wilchuck, Chris Beam in

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Speaker 3: the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the

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Speaker 3: Draft Show.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you on Thursday.

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