WEBVTT - Episode 7: Lazarus

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Leon Napok. I'm the host of Fiasco,

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<v Speaker 1>but you may also know me from the podcasts Slowburn,

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<v Speaker 1>Think Twice, Michael Jackson, and Backfired the Vaping Wars. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Backfired is a podcast about the business of unintended consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first season, my co host ri L Pardess

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<v Speaker 1>and I dove deep into the world of vaping and

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<v Speaker 1>how the well intentioned quest for a safer cigarette went awry.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're tackling ADHD and how the push to destigmatize

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<v Speaker 1>this hard to define childhood diagnosis has led to an

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<v Speaker 1>It's a story about the promise of psychiatry to fix

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<v Speaker 2>My main job was to try and develop drugs that

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<v Speaker 2>could treat this devastating disease.

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<v Speaker 3>The FDA announced today it would formerly streamline it's drug

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<v Speaker 3>approval process.

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<v Speaker 4>This thing of hoping for like a magic bullet, that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we would all be activists for two or

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<v Speaker 4>three years, and then the cure would come, the vaccine

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<v Speaker 4>would come, and we would all go back to our

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<v Speaker 4>lives wasn't going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>People need medication now, ten years from now, they'll be dead.

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<v Speaker 1>When the virus that causes AIDS was isolated in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three, it looked kind of like a time bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>HIV could eat away at someone's immune system for months

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<v Speaker 1>or years before they experienced any serious symptoms. Then one day,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much any infection could become fatal. In nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a young chemist at the pharmaceutical company Murk came up

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<v Speaker 1>with an idea for how to disable the bomb. His

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<v Speaker 1>name was Irving Siegel.

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<v Speaker 6>What Siegel took on was really an impossible task. No

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<v Speaker 6>pharmaceutical scientist had ever really taken on such a challenge

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<v Speaker 6>as this.

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<v Speaker 1>David France is the author of the book How to

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<v Speaker 1>Survive a Plague and the director of the documentary film

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<v Speaker 1>by the same name. During the height of the epidemic

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<v Speaker 1>France was an activist and a journalist who covered the

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<v Speaker 1>search for AIDS treatments. He says that after the release

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<v Speaker 1>of the first AIDS drug, AZT, many drug companies scrambled

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<v Speaker 1>to produce knockoffs.

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<v Speaker 6>When AZT had come out in eighty seven, it immediately

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<v Speaker 6>proved that there was a massive and very of financially

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<v Speaker 6>rewarding market for drug companies to exploit.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you've heard, AZT was not a miracle drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when AZT seemed to make someone better at first,

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<v Speaker 1>the virus rapidly mutated inside their body, which meant that

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<v Speaker 1>eventually almost everyone who took it still developed AIDS. Irving Seagull,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientist at MERK, was convinced he could build something

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<v Speaker 1>better than AZT, a new class of drug that would

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<v Speaker 1>attack HIV in a totally different way.

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<v Speaker 6>Irving Siegel, he was young, he was charismatic. He pulled

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<v Speaker 6>together a team of very excited researchers, and the very

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<v Speaker 6>first thing that he focused on was a very novel approach.

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<v Speaker 6>No one else was taking it, and that was an

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<v Speaker 6>approach to look at protease inhibitors.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you've heard that phrase before protease inhibitors. I definitely had,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also did not know what a protease was

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<v Speaker 1>or what it meant to inhibit it. So as I've learned,

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<v Speaker 1>the HIV one protease is an enzyme that plays a

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<v Speaker 1>critical role in allowing the virus to replicate in the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Siegel believed that the key to treating HIV was stopping

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<v Speaker 1>the protease from doing its job. After getting some initial

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<v Speaker 1>buy in from the higher ups at MERK, Siegel and

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<v Speaker 1>his colleague Nancy Cole started working on it, and just

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<v Speaker 1>a few months later they completed a paper reporting a

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<v Speaker 1>promising result. By inhibiting the HIV protease, it was possible

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<v Speaker 1>to stop the virus from replicating, at least in the

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<v Speaker 1>confines of a lab experiment. The quick turnaround was typical

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<v Speaker 1>of Siegel. His wife Catherine told me he was someone

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<v Speaker 1>who took the stairs two steps at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>he came into work, and was often moving so fast

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<v Speaker 1>that he would forget to button his shirts all the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Can remember very clearly saying to myself, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with this guy, because he's just he did.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how rapidly he moved, That's how rapidly his brain

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<v Speaker 2>worked too.

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<v Speaker 1>Emilio Emini is a virologist who worked with Siegel as

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<v Speaker 1>the head of Murk's efforts on HIV. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>co author on that first paper about the HIV protease.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can imagine, you know, a very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thin individual who is constantly moving and whose brain is

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<v Speaker 2>constantly functioning, absolutely extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>By December of nineteen eighty eight, Siegel and his team

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<v Speaker 1>were on the cusp of a major advance, producing the

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<v Speaker 1>first three D image of the protease. After more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year of intensive work, they finally had a clear

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of its unique cellular structure. Emilio Emini sometimes compares

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<v Speaker 1>the HIV protease to a pac man, introducing it has

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<v Speaker 1>a wedge like mouth which it uses to chomp down

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<v Speaker 1>on HIV proteins and slice them into smaller pieces. These

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<v Speaker 1>smaller pieces then spawn new HIV proteins throughout the body. Siegel, Emini,

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<v Speaker 1>and their colleagues at MURK wanted to jam the pac

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<v Speaker 1>man's mouth and render it incapable of doing any chomping

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<v Speaker 1>or slicing. They believed that once this happened, the virus

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<v Speaker 1>would stop replicating.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the protease is not functional, or if it's

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<v Speaker 2>rendered non functional and cannot perform this cutting activity, then

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<v Speaker 2>the viral proteins that are produced won't be assembled into

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<v Speaker 2>new viral particles right, and therefore the viral infection cycle

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<v Speaker 2>is terminated.

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<v Speaker 1>The three D image of the protease gave Segel and

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<v Speaker 1>his colleagues a precise map of the enzyme, showing them

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<v Speaker 1>where exactly they had to jam it. Now they could

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<v Speaker 1>move on to the next step developing a drug, a

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<v Speaker 1>protease inhibitor that could be digested by human beings. Siegel

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<v Speaker 1>was confident that it could be done, but then shortly

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<v Speaker 1>before Christmas, Siegel had to travel to London to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>a long scheduled lecture. After three days away from his lab,

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<v Speaker 1>he was eager to get back, so at the last

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<v Speaker 1>minute he decided to change his flight to a red eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Pan Am flight one oh three left London on the

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<v Speaker 1>night of December twenty first, nineteen eighty eight. Less than

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<v Speaker 1>an hour after takeoff, the plane exploded over Lockerby, Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>killing everyone on board.

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<v Speaker 7>Just after seven this evening, a jumbo jet crashed onto

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<v Speaker 7>the town of locker Bit in the Scottish borders. It

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<v Speaker 7>was a Pan American Boeing seven four seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember very clearly where I was when I got

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<v Speaker 2>the news. I was at home. Actually it was right

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<v Speaker 2>before Christmas. It was right before Christmas in nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 7>We now know there were two hundred and forty four

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<v Speaker 7>people on board, including three children.

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<v Speaker 1>Irving Seagull was just thirty five years old when he

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<v Speaker 1>died in the locker be bombing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely devastating, as you can imagine. It was

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<v Speaker 2>devastating for what we were doing collectively, was devastating for

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<v Speaker 2>the science. It was devastating for the whole field. But

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<v Speaker 2>more importantly, it was devastating personally for Irving and for

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<v Speaker 2>his family.

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<v Speaker 1>Seagull's vision of a protease inhibitor would eventually lead to

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<v Speaker 1>a massive paradigm shift in AIDS treatment as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the so called triple cocktail. It would unlock the first

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<v Speaker 1>effective therapy for HIV and AIDS, and it would finally

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<v Speaker 1>make it possible for people who had the disease to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>But none of that would happen until nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>nine years after Segel first saw promise in the HIV protease,

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen years after the first cases of AIDS were

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<v Speaker 1>observed in America. It's impossible to say whether an effective

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<v Speaker 1>treatment might have come sooner if Irving Siegel hadn't changed

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<v Speaker 1>his flight from London. What's clear enough is that his

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<v Speaker 1>death was a major setback, one of many in science's

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<v Speaker 1>long and grueling campaign against AIDS. I'm Leon Napak from

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<v Speaker 1>Audible Originals and Prologue projects. This is fiasco.

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<v Speaker 3>Typically, the stronger the drug, the faster HIV adapts to

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<v Speaker 3>resist it.

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<v Speaker 4>It seemed that everything we had done up to that

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<v Speaker 4>point hadn't been enough.

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<v Speaker 8>Researchers say a new class of drugs are working.

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<v Speaker 9>Where once there was only desperation, there is now genuine hope.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm looking falling through a future, the Lazarus effect that

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<v Speaker 10>people described it felt like a miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, the darkest days of the AIDS crisis

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<v Speaker 1>in America followed at long last by a glimpse of light.

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<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen nineties, HIV had spread all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 11>Fourteen million people in the world are now HIV positive.

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<v Speaker 11>The number grows dramatically every year.

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<v Speaker 1>And affected just about every demographic.

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<v Speaker 11>Still, no cure still no vaccine to prevent it.

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<v Speaker 1>In the US, cases among women and people of color

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<v Speaker 1>were climbing at a particularly alarming rate, and as the

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<v Speaker 1>time bomb went off and more and more people, the

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<v Speaker 1>death totals were rising.

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<v Speaker 3>Every year in this country, four hundred thousand have gotten AIDS,

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and forty thousand have died.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever we've been doing has not been enough.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't until we hit nineteen ninety three and nineteen

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<v Speaker 6>ninety four and nineteen ninety five that the body counts

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<v Speaker 6>became extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>David France again, these were.

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<v Speaker 6>Mass dying events each year. Forty three thousand Americans died

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<v Speaker 6>in nineteen ninety three, fifty thousand Americans in nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 6>So we entered a period of real despair.

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<v Speaker 1>For many AIDS activists, the tragedy wasn't just about how

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<v Speaker 1>many people were dying during this period. It was also

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<v Speaker 1>that many of the dead had been leaders in the movement.

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<v Speaker 6>Nineteen ninety three opened with the death of Bob Ravski,

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<v Speaker 6>who was a key member of Act UP, one of

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<v Speaker 6>its kind of poet warriors.

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<v Speaker 12>Questions, what does a decent society do with people who

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<v Speaker 12>hurt themselves because they're human? Who smoke too much, we

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<v Speaker 12>too much, you drive carelessly, who don't have safe sex?

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<v Speaker 12>And the answer, I think the answer is at a

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<v Speaker 12>decent society does not put people out to pastor and

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<v Speaker 12>let them die because they've done a human thing.

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<v Speaker 6>His death was a trauma for the movement and the community,

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<v Speaker 6>and then by the end of the year, Michael Callen died.

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<v Speaker 1>You met Michael Callen in our second episode. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the singer, an early AIDS activist who spearheaded a safe

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<v Speaker 1>sex campaign in New York and helped create a Bill

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<v Speaker 1>of Rights for people with AIDS.

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<v Speaker 13>It's hard to believe Michael Callen is no longer with us.

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<v Speaker 13>For more than a decade, he made beautiful music and

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<v Speaker 13>worked tirelessly to improve the quality of life for people

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<v Speaker 13>with AIDS, all the while fighting the disease himself.

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<v Speaker 10>We won.

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<v Speaker 6>Michael Callen was the author of a book on surviving

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<v Speaker 6>HIV and if the guy who was a self proclaimed

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<v Speaker 6>long term survivor couldn't survive, then it seemed we were

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<v Speaker 6>all lost.

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<v Speaker 14>I realized that some people could look at my life

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<v Speaker 14>and say, oh, it was so sad when he died

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<v Speaker 14>of AIDS, And isn't that tragic? But what I want

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<v Speaker 14>to come through is that even after all the pain

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<v Speaker 14>and all the torture, and even having AIDS, I can

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<v Speaker 14>honestly say being gay is the greatest gift I was

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<v Speaker 14>ever given. I wouldn't change it.

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<v Speaker 2>For the worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>Amid all of this death, more and more activists started

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<v Speaker 1>to burn out Garantz. Frankie Ruda, who had joined Act

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<v Speaker 1>Up as a teenager in the late eighties, was one

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 10>I think people have just had a lot of unprocessed

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<v Speaker 10>grief and we're just really like unraveling.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Like many in the movement, Frankie Ruda was exhausted

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<v Speaker 1>by the lack of progress on medical treatment and by

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<v Speaker 1>infighting among her fellow activists.

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<v Speaker 10>All activist organizations have kind of a half life. They

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<v Speaker 10>burst onto the scene, they're incredibly viral, and then they

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<v Speaker 10>start to sort of change.

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<v Speaker 1>The changes Act UP was going through might have been

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<v Speaker 1>easier to take if Frankie Ruda wasn't also losing friends

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<v Speaker 1>to AIDS on a routine basis.

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<v Speaker 10>A lot of people had been infected around the same

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<v Speaker 10>period of time, and there was a sense amongst a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of people that they were not getting out of

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<v Speaker 10>this alive. Some people were very pessimistic about whether or

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<v Speaker 10>not they were going to see the end of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>The sense of despair deepened in June of nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>three when scientists made a crushing announcement about AZT at

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<v Speaker 1>the International AIDS Conference in Berlin.

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<v Speaker 11>Discouraging news Today about the effectiveness in some cases of AZT.

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<v Speaker 1>French and British researchers had conducted the largest study ever

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<v Speaker 1>on AZT. Their conclusion was that in the long term

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<v Speaker 1>the drug simply did not work well.

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<v Speaker 4>The T yes it was, there no significant benefit in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of survival or profession to AIDS.

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<v Speaker 3>Reading from slides on a big overhead screen, the head

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<v Speaker 3>of the European study told the delegates patients inspected with

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<v Speaker 3>HIV who take AZT before they develop symptoms of AIDS

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<v Speaker 3>are no better off than patients who take it after

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<v Speaker 3>they come down with the disease.

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<v Speaker 1>The limits of AZT were already well known, but according

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<v Speaker 1>to the new study, the drug didn't extend life for

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<v Speaker 1>people with AIDS by a single day. In fact, patients

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<v Speaker 1>in the placebo group actually lived a little longer. After

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<v Speaker 1>the conference, the Washington Post described it as the most

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<v Speaker 1>depressing moment in aid's treatment history. Mark Harrington, the act

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<v Speaker 1>UP member you first met in our previous episode, was

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<v Speaker 1>in Berlin at the time of the AZT announcement.

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<v Speaker 4>I think at that point it was pretty universally felt

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<v Speaker 4>that we were all doomed and anybody that had HIV

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<v Speaker 4>was going to die. We're not going to be changing

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<v Speaker 4>the field fast enough to to save our lives or

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<v Speaker 4>the lives of most of our friends that had HIV

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<v Speaker 4>and most of the other millions and millions of people

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<v Speaker 4>that had HIV. So it seemed that everything we had

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<v Speaker 4>done up to that point hadn't been enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Three weeks after the conference in Berlin, a group of

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<v Speaker 1>AIDS activists channeled their sorrow into a protest in Washington, Free.

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<v Speaker 3>The deaths of years we are taking any harm.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a new kind of protest known as a

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<v Speaker 1>political funeral.

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<v Speaker 6>It got to the point where the community started this

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<v Speaker 6>campaign to show our deaths, to show what AIDS looked like,

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<v Speaker 6>and the most dramatic way that that happened was through

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<v Speaker 6>political funerals, in which the corpses of the fallen comrades

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<v Speaker 6>were taken out into the streets and displayed in these

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<v Speaker 6>these really heartbreaking expressions of anger and rage.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of political funerals was to force an awareness

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<v Speaker 1>of the death toll from AIDS onto those who might

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise find it easy to look away. Mark Harrington says

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<v Speaker 1>that activists didn't want AIDS to be a private epidemic.

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<v Speaker 4>We wanted the American people to see the cost, to

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<v Speaker 4>see the lives that were being lost, and to be

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<v Speaker 4>made aware by us putting it into their faces that

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<v Speaker 4>the people that were dying were loved and were valued

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<v Speaker 4>members of our society. And so this was a sign

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<v Speaker 4>of desperation, of despair, but also a beautiful sign of solidarity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the summer of nineteen ninety three when an

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<v Speaker 1>act UP member with AIDS named Tim Bailey took a

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<v Speaker 1>turn for the worse. As he lay dying, Bailey told

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<v Speaker 1>his friends that he wanted his body thrown over the

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<v Speaker 1>White House gate. It would be a nod to an

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<v Speaker 1>act UP protest held the previous year when more than

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen activists poured out the ashes of their loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones onto the White House lawn.

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<v Speaker 5>And we're here today to bring home to George Brush

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<v Speaker 5>the results of this murders in action.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Bailey's idea to have people throw his actual body

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<v Speaker 1>onto the lawn was a little more extreme, and his

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<v Speaker 1>friends demurred, but they promised him they would do something

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the White House.

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<v Speaker 5>True Love.

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<v Speaker 1>On July first, nineteen ninety three, a few days after

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey died, his friends drove his body from a funeral

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<v Speaker 1>home in New Jersey to Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 6>This was carried out like a military operation. They rented

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<v Speaker 6>a van and they called upon Act Up members around

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<v Speaker 6>the country to meet them in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan was to meet up at the Capital reflecting pool,

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<v Speaker 1>then marched down Pennsylvania Avenue in a procession, But by

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<v Speaker 1>the time the activist van pulled into a parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>near the Capitol, the authorities were already there. Some were

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<v Speaker 1>wearing riot gear.

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<v Speaker 10>This is this is the last whistles, It's in the will.

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<v Speaker 2>There are legal permits, there are family members here.

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to You're going to interfere with a funeral

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<v Speaker 5>procession in front of.

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<v Speaker 15>All this press.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a showdown of remarkable tension and anger. There

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<v Speaker 6>was rage and tears coming from the protesters, who felt

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<v Speaker 6>that they owed it to Tim Bailey to be able

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<v Speaker 6>to accomplish what he had asked for and yet they

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<v Speaker 6>were being blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>According to one witness, a federal agent at one point

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<v Speaker 1>reached into the van holding Bailey's casket and snatched the

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<v Speaker 1>keys from the driver. Activists surrounded van and sat down

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<v Speaker 1>so it couldn't be driven away. After a tense standoff

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<v Speaker 1>that lasted several hours, they flung open the back doors

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<v Speaker 1>and forced the casket.

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<v Speaker 6>Out, But the pushback from this phalanx of police officers

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<v Speaker 6>was such that the whole casket nearly fell over and

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<v Speaker 6>nearly emptied itself in the parking lot. Everything you wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to do, and now you're fucking hell.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to god damn more. Eventually, the activists regained

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<v Speaker 1>control of Bailey's casket and managed to get it back

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<v Speaker 1>into the van. The police then surrounded the van and

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<v Speaker 1>escorted it onto the highway back towards New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 6>The escort lasted into Maryland to Baltimore, and Tim's body

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<v Speaker 6>was returned ultimately to the funeral home and he was

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<v Speaker 6>given a regular burial after that.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen ninety three, activists weren't the only ones losing hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists were also beginning to doubt whether an effective treatment

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<v Speaker 1>for HIV was possible AZT like drugs had proven ineffective,

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<v Speaker 1>and while MIRK was putting its energy behind protease inhibitors,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no guarantee that those would work either. Here

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<v Speaker 1>again is Emilio Emini, the virologist who ran Merk's HIV efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>What was in everyone's back of everyone's mind was, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe every single drug we develop against this virus, or

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<v Speaker 2>even an inhibit of the protease, maybe the virus can

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly defeat it by simply becoming resistant quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Irving Siegel and his colleagues, MIRK had been

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<v Speaker 1>early on protease research, but in the years after Siegel's death,

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<v Speaker 1>progress had been slow. It wasn't just because Siegel wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>there to help. Everyone I spoke to said his team

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<v Speaker 1>continued working on protease inhibitors with the same urgency as before.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just that making a functional drug out of

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<v Speaker 1>Siegel's idea was extremely hard. Here's David Franz again.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the most complex pharmaceutical production ever undertaken. To

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<v Speaker 6>create this molecule took fourteen painstaking steps, each one very

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<v Speaker 6>time consuming. Each one depended on the one before it.

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<v Speaker 6>The idea that this would work was certainly far from

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<v Speaker 6>but reliable.

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<v Speaker 1>The drug that Merk was working on would eventually be

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<v Speaker 1>called krick Savan. The scientist in charge of producing it

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<v Speaker 1>happened to also be a chef, and in an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with the Philadelphia Inquirer, he explained that making krick savan

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<v Speaker 1>was like cooking an intricate, multi course meal for a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people. If you wrote the recipe for krick savan,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, each of the fourteen steps would cover sixty pages.

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<v Speaker 1>The effort seemed to be paying off. Kricks Evan worked

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<v Speaker 1>extremely well in lab trials, so well that, according to

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<v Speaker 1>David France, the team at Merk did something pretty unusual.

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<v Speaker 6>As Merk and the HIV team were getting more and

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<v Speaker 6>more excited about kricks evan from what they saw in laboratories,

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<v Speaker 6>they wanted to push the thing into human trials very quickly,

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<v Speaker 6>and they had such faith that it would work that

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<v Speaker 6>they did something that is not done in pharmaceutical research.

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<v Speaker 1>Typically, after successful lab trials, pharma companies test their drugs

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<v Speaker 1>on healthy animals to make sure the drugs aren't toxic

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<v Speaker 1>and can be absorbed into the bloodstream. According to France's reporting,

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<v Speaker 1>Merk skipped the animal trial.

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<v Speaker 6>Sort of What they did instead was they tested it

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<v Speaker 6>among the scientists. They took it themselves, and so they

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<v Speaker 6>knew that it was safe because they all survived the

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<v Speaker 6>exposure to it. And it's something that has often joked

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<v Speaker 6>about in the pharmaceutical world as a big chimp study,

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<v Speaker 6>in which the big chimp is the scientist himself.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked Emilio Amini about the big chimp trial. He

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<v Speaker 1>declined to comment. I told you a bit ago about

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<v Speaker 1>the devastating AZT announcement in Berlin. It was about six

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<v Speaker 1>months later that Merk ran a trial of krick Savan

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<v Speaker 1>and a group of people who were all HIV positive.

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<v Speaker 1>A week into the study, each patient's viral load fell dramatically.

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<v Speaker 1>Krick Savan appeared to work, at least in the short run.

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<v Speaker 2>What we initially saw was that there was in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>very clear and rapid decline a virus load in those individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was the first time that was seen with

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<v Speaker 2>any drug, you know, for HIV. So it gave us

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of a glimmer of hope that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have, you know, something potentially useful here, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we felt, well, maybe there's something special about the proteuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's something special that the virus cannot rapidly become

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<v Speaker 2>resistant to this class of drugs, and so we were encouraged.

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<v Speaker 1>The question was would the virus find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>mutate around the drug like it had with AZT. The

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<v Speaker 1>researchers at MERK were optimistic enough that they had shared

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<v Speaker 1>their preliminary results with other AIDS researchers, but soon their

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<v Speaker 1>hopes were dashed. Once again, HIV had mutated and effectively

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<v Speaker 1>become resistant to the new drug.

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<v Speaker 2>So if if we go back to the pac man analogy,

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<v Speaker 2>and you consider the protease inhibitor has been a something

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<v Speaker 2>a ball of rock, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 2>that gets in the mouth of the pac mand so

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<v Speaker 2>that the pac man can no longer, you know, close

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<v Speaker 2>its mouth and chump up the viral proteins. What the

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<v Speaker 2>mutation does is that the mutation alters the structure of

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<v Speaker 2>the pac man mouth just ever so slightly, but ald

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<v Speaker 2>is it enough so that the inhibitor can't bind into

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<v Speaker 2>that mouth anymore.

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<v Speaker 12>The one.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to make sure you got that, the mutation occurred

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<v Speaker 1>right in the pac man's mouth. Now, the protease inhibitor

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<v Speaker 1>that Murk had spent years developing and fine tuning didn't

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<v Speaker 1>fit properly, and so the pac man the protease went

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<v Speaker 1>right back to chomping and slicing HIV proteins and enabling

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 1>them to replicate in patient's bodies. HIV was rebounding in

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<v Speaker 1>Murk's study participants, and it was happening extremely fast. By

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<v Speaker 1>that time, we had a good feel for this.

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<v Speaker 2>We already knew that what we were looking at here

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<v Speaker 2>was resistant selection.

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<v Speaker 1>It was harder.

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<v Speaker 2>It was harder for the virus to become resistant against

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<v Speaker 2>the protease inhibitor, but it wasn't that hard.

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<v Speaker 1>HIV was the ultimate Darwinian nightmare. It seemed to evolve

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<v Speaker 1>around every obstacle put in its path. After years of

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<v Speaker 1>effort and hundreds of millions of dollars spent, Merk's new

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 1>drug appeared to be meeting the fate of every other

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<v Speaker 1>HIV treatment. The disappointment of krick Savan didn't mean that

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>protease inhibitors in general would never work, or that a

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<v Speaker 1>different drug based on the same idea wouldn't produce different results.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, in the early nineties, several pharmaceutical companies other

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<v Speaker 1>than Merk were attempting to develop their own protease inhibitors.

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<v Speaker 1>In May of nineteen ninety four, a company called Hoffman

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<v Speaker 1>Laroche became the first of Mrk's rivals to put a

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<v Speaker 1>protease inhibitor in front of the FDA.

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<v Speaker 11>But new drug called the most important advance since AZT.

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<v Speaker 1>The drug was called sequineverr.

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<v Speaker 11>Sha quivnaire, the first of a new generation of AIDS

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<v Speaker 11>fighting drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffman Laroche was asking the FDA for accelerated approval, which

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<v Speaker 1>was exciting news for AIDS activists patients across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Merk's protease inhibitor hadn't panned out, but maybe Hoffman the

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<v Speaker 1>Rosch's version would turn out to be the real deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Researchers caution against too much optimism, but it is the

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<v Speaker 3>most powerful weapon yet developed against the AIDS virus.

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<v Speaker 1>There was, however, a surprising hitch in the company's plan

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>to get sequinevere to market quickly. A small but influential

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 1>group of former act UP members was standing in the way.

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<v Speaker 1>They called themselves the Treatment Action Group or TAG for short.

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<v Speaker 1>TAG included many of the science oriented activists from act UP,

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<v Speaker 1>including Mark Harrington. As you heard in our previous episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Harrington and some of his colleagues had split off from

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<v Speaker 1>act UP, in part because they wanted to work with

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>government officials, not just antagonize them. By nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>TAG was in regular contact with the FDA, and one

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of its members served on the Agencies of FI Advisory Board.

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<v Speaker 1>As the FDA considered the possibility of early approval for sequinivere,

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<v Speaker 1>the activists in TAG made it known that they were

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>against it. I asked Harrington to explain their thinking. So

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>TAG opposed fast tracking the drug, and I think as

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>we tell our listeners about that, that their first instinct

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 1>will be to say, wait a second. I thought these

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>guys wanted to fast trike the drugs.

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 4>What happened Berlin happened.

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<v Speaker 1>After the conference in Berlin, where it was revealed just

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>how much of a failure AZT was. Harrington had come

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to view the drug as a cautionary tale. Years earlier,

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>AZT had been fast tracked and given the benefit of

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the doubt. Now the pitfalls of moving too fast were

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>all too clear.

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<v Speaker 4>We recognized that some of the things that we'd done

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 4>to change clinical trials had led to false answers that

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 4>weren't accurate. We found out that the fast tracking for

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 4>drugs resulted in some drugs that didn't work being released

0:28:58.840 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 4>onto the market.

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<v Speaker 1>Harrington felt that he and his fellow activists had been

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>naive for years. They had agitated for drugs to be

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>released as quickly as possible to people with AIDS on

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>the theory that anything was better than nothing, and.

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 4>We had gotten a scientist in the regulators to also

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.719
<v Speaker 4>be naive. But everyone was tired of all the deaths

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 4>and all the sick people and the lack of hope.

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 4>Everyone wanted these drugs to work, but just wishing.

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't make it so sequinevere. The protease inhibitor developed by

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Merk's rival Hoff and Laroche struck the members of TAG

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>as yet another source of false hope. Among other things,

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Harrington was alarmed by the way Hoff and Laroche had

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>conducted its trials.

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 4>They did a little study in fewer than three hundred people,

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 4>and in summer of ninety four they wanted to FDA

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 4>to give it accelerated approval, and we said, no, this

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 4>is three hundred people. You want to do the first

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 4>of a new generation of AIDS drugs with a shitty

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 4>inadequate sample size. That's far too load to tell us

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 4>even if there's a side effects, let alone whether the

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 4>drug works, and you need to redraw your whole clinical

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 4>development plan from scratch.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>From tag's perspective, if sequinavere were approved hastily, it had

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a good chance of dominating the market for protease inhibitors.

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>That was what had happened with AZT after the FDA

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>fast tracked approval of that drug back in nineteen eighty seven.

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>David Franz explains.

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<v Speaker 6>They did not want an AZT like scenario to take place.

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 6>If sequinavere was probably the least promising of the protease inhibitors,

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 6>and yet if it had gotten to market before anybody else,

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 6>they worried that it would you take all the oxygen

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 6>out of the air for the other developed compounds.

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>TAG demanded that Hoffman Laroche go back to the drawing

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>board and dramatically expand the trial size for sequinavier. They

0:30:54.840 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>proposed eighteen thousand participants, a sixtyfold increase from the original study.

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Hoffman Laroche executives weren't exactly pleased to hear this, and

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to gin up support for their fast track application, they

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>faxed tag's proposal to a bunch of other AIDS activist

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>groups across the country. When those activists learned about tag's opposition,

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>many of them were outraged.

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 6>When TAG went their own way, they stepped on a

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 6>lot of feet. In fact, they stepped on just about

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 6>every foot in the movement. AIDS activists had never before

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 6>this point tried to slow down a drug to market,

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 6>and it created an amazing shit storm in the activist community.

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Dozens of AIDS groups signed a statement registering their disagreement

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>with TAG over sequinivir, but TAG by this point had

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>built up a lot of sway with the FDA, and

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Hoffman Laroche's application was rejected.

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 4>The controversy was fast and furious between libertarian activists who

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 4>really thought people should just take anything they want, and

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 4>then kind of more rigorous activists who thought we needed

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 4>better data before approving drugs that were going to be

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 4>taken by hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions of

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 4>people around the world. People from the community were yelling

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 4>at each other and calling each other killers and murderers

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 4>and so on.

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>TAG made it clear that they were not just singling

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>out Hoffman Laroche. They wanted every drug company working on

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>protease inhibitors to take their time to run large, rigorous

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>trials that would yield rich, clean data. Other activists stuck

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>with what they had been saying for years, and people

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>with AIDS didn't have time to wait. Back at Murk,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Emilio Emini and his colleagues were continuing to track the

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>participants of their protease inhibitor trial. Remember, they had seen

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>their virus levels plummet in the first week of using

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>crick savan, and then like clockwork, the numbers had shot

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>back up in all of them, all of them except

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>one patient, number one hundred and forty two. For some reason,

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>that patient's viral load remained nearly undetectable, not just at

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>first but for months afterwards.

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>And that one patient, for reasons that to this day

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>are never never been really understood, that one patient, the

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>virus level came down but never came back up again.

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 3>And this was.

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>The first time any patient, as far as we knew,

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that had been treated with an HIV inhibitor, had actually

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>demonstrated the ability for prolonged virus suppression. And we kept

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>following that patient and never came back up, and just

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 2>stayed down.

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Amini and his colleagues didn't just write this off as

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>an anomaly. The data was real, and patient one hundred

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and forty two wasn't some kind of superhuman And.

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>What we said to ourselves was, well, the fact that

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 2>it happened in one patient doesn't tell us that, you know,

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 2>we have a high probability that we're going to be

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>able to do this, you know and everybody. But you

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>know what it does tell us. It tells us for

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the first time that it's actually possible to do it.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Patient one hundred and forty two became Mrk's north star.

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 2>In fact, various members of the team had mouse pads

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 2>actually made up that actually showed the virus load in

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>this one individual. It was a way of saying to ourselves, look,

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>we actually did it. Now what we now need to

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 2>figure out is how do we do it in everybody.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Emini and his colleagues followed their small phase one study

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.919
<v Speaker 1>with a much bigger Phase two trial that would track

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>thousands of subjects over many months. Even just producing enough

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>drugs for a study that big was a challenge.

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>The process of making the drug was not trivial. It

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>would require the establishment of literally a brand new chemical

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 2>manufacturing facility. One of the steps was an extreme exotherm,

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 2>which is a way of saying that it was an

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>explosive step that if you didn't do it carefully, it

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 2>would blow up your factory literally.

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>While the trial got underway, Amini and his colleagues began

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>testing out different doses of cricksivan on patients. They also

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>tested the drug in combination with other kinds of drugs,

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>including AZT. That was a relatively new idea meant to

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>address HIV's ability to rapidly mutate around pretty much every

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>drug researchers had thrown at it.

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 6>A thought occurred to scientists, and it was simultaneously in

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 6>multiple labs that it's simply a matter of math that

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 6>two drugs is better at preventing the virus from mutating

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 6>in ways that will escape the drug treatment.

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Emilio Emini was one of the scientists who'd helped make

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>this discovery. It's so called combination therapy was more effective

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>than using a single drug. Before protease inhibitors were developed,

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>there had only been in two classes of drugs to

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 1>try in combination with each other, AZT and one other.

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Now there were three each one would attack HIV in

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>its own way and essentially back the virus into a

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>corner until it could no longer mutate its way out.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 6>People wanted to try a third drug and to see

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.360
<v Speaker 6>if attacking the HIV virus in three different ways would

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 6>indeed flummix the HIV to the point of being able

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 6>to actually produce lasting results.

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>A group of patients were given cricksavan along with AZT

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>and the other drug. The early results were remarkable, and

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>by the end of nineteen ninety five, Amini and his

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.760
<v Speaker 1>colleagues at MURK were ready to tell the world about

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>what they were seeing.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 8>There's a major new reason for hope in the fight

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 8>against age. Tonight, researchers at an age conference in Washington

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 8>say a new class of drugs were working.

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>On January thirtieth, nineteen ninety six, Amini was in Washington,

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>d c. To address the annual Conference on Retroviruses and

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Opportunistic Infections. There, he delivered some major news.

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 9>Studies presented at the conference show that over a six

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 9>month period, the drug sharply reduced the level of virus

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 9>in the body. Also, over a six month period, people

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 9>taking the drugs died at half the rate of people

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 9>not taking the drugs.

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Crick Savan, combined with the two other drugs, had made

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>HIV undetectable in most patients, and the effect didn't appear

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>to be temporary. At the time of the conference, it

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>had persisted for six whole months. Audience members gasped at

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the data. For the first time since the AIDS epidemic began,

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a treatment was having a lasting impact. The three drug

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 1>combination was working. After all those years of disappointment. AZT

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 1>did end up being part of an effective therapy, but

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the development of proteus inhibitors had made the crucial difference.

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>By March, crick Savan and two other protease inhibitors have

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>been approved by the FDA. They were the fastest approved

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>drugs in the agency's history.

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd be lying if I didn't say it wasn't emotionally

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and personally very satisfying. And what was most gratifying was

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>not just looking at the virus load. But it was

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>clear that as soon as the drugs became available and

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>started to be used appropriately as a combination from the

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>very beginning, that the impact it was having on progression

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 2>to as was us extraordinary.

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 1>The three drug combination became known as the Triple Cocktail.

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>It came with difficult side effects at a huge price

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>tag upwards of fifteen thousand dollars a year. Still, many

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>people were able to obtain it through their health insurance

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:54.240
<v Speaker 1>or through the federally funded AIDS Drug Assistance program. That summer,

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Mark Harrington began taking the Triple Cocktail and experienced an

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.120
<v Speaker 1>almost immediate change.

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 4>My fire load went from over two hundred thousand to

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:09.479
<v Speaker 4>nothing over the next three months, and it's been either

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 4>very low or undetectable in the twenty five years since.

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:14.760
<v Speaker 4>And none of us could really believe it at first.

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 4>It was too good to be true, But the truth

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 4>was that these drugs really did stop the progression of HIV.

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 9>Nobody is proclaiming a cure for AIDS yet, but based

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.720
<v Speaker 9>on the results with a new drug combination, many people

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 9>are starting to believe it may soon be a possibility.

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Harrington's friend and fellow activist Garantz. Frankie Ruda had joined

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the movement at the tail end of the Reagan administration.

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>By nineteen ninety six, she had scaled back her involvement

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and had enrolled in college hoping to become a doctor.

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>She still remembers where she was when she heard the

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>triple cocktail was working.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 10>I was in New York that summer, and I remember

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 10>talking to folks and sort of getting the news and

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 10>just like being in this elevator to this crappy little

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 10>apartment I was sharing with some friends in college.

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Like.

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 10>Feeling like, even though I knew it was the work

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 10>of men and science, it felt like some grand act

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 10>of mercy made manifest. And I think the Lazarus effect

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 10>that people described for these medications on people sort of

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 10>coming off their deathbeds and coming back to life gives

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 10>you a sense also that even the scientists and the

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 10>doctors had to take a recourse in biblical and religious

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 10>language to describe what happened, because it felt like a miracle.

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 9>Where once there was only desperation, there is now genuine hope.

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 13>Started getting weight, and little lakers and pains and problems

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.879
<v Speaker 13>that I had in my body started resolving, and sort

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 13>of like everything went back to normal.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 15>And now I feel that I have a great potential

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 15>to live a much longer lifespan than was originally fought

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 15>when I was diagnosed in nineteen eighty seven, and I

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 15>look forward.

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 3>To being here for my daughter's graduation next year from college.

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I have a fourteen month old grand.

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Baby that I you know, so I'm looking forward to

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a future.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 1>The opportunistic infections disappeared, a ma seated people began gaining

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>weight again. The so called AIDS wards in America's hospitals

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>emptied out and closed down.

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 9>In New York City, which has the most AIDS cases

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 9>in the country, the death rate from AIDS dropped almost

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<v Speaker 9>half from nineteen to day last January to eleven a

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<v Speaker 9>day in July. Across the country, hospitals are seeing fewer

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<v Speaker 9>AIDS patients and fewer deaths.

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<v Speaker 4>When I found out that they were working for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were also working for other people that had

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<v Speaker 4>started them, I could exhale, you know, I could say, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we can move on now. We have got to this point.

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<v Speaker 9>Nineteen ninety six was a watershed year in AIDS.

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<v Speaker 13>It was the first year, the first time that treatment

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<v Speaker 13>actually outpaced the virus.

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<v Speaker 4>And the first time in fifteen years of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 4>we had something that we could offer to anybody with

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<v Speaker 4>HIV or AIDS that could keep them healthy if they

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<v Speaker 4>had HIV OR, that could reverse their AIDS and save

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<v Speaker 4>their life if they had AIDS, and that was truly unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 4>and yet it was true.

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<v Speaker 1>With that, a new era in the history of AIDS began.

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<v Speaker 1>But the nightmare wasn't over yet, not even close. On

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<v Speaker 1>next week's season finale, why the HIV AIDS epidemic persists

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<v Speaker 1>after the development of the Triple Cocktail, and why it

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<v Speaker 1>continues to this day.

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<v Speaker 13>Anytime you're talking about sex and drugs, it's a moral

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<v Speaker 13>issue rather than a public health issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Fiasco is presented by Audible Originals and Prologue Projects. The

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<v Speaker 1>Come back next week for the final episode of our season.