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Speaker 3: Happy Yeah, Welcome back to Indianapolis side of the NFL

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Speaker 2: take you up until two o'clock and then Dale, Matt

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Speaker 2: and Max. Right is the next rotation, Yes, from two

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Speaker 2: to whatever time, two to three with Max, and then

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Speaker 2: Matt and I finish it up at the final hour ourselves.

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Speaker 2: There you go, and then you'll go wander off to

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Speaker 2: some other responsibility you have. I'm sure I'll go forage

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Speaker 2: or talk or you know who knows.

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Speaker 4: I might even I might even pop in one of

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Speaker 4: those little alcoves and taking nap out.

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Speaker 2: There you go. It's not a bad idea. Yeah, nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong with that, spacious. Let me know what night you

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Speaker 2: plan to go to Giordano's, because I want to go

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Speaker 2: the other night to make sure they still have pizza

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Speaker 2: night go, I share.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's the reason why there's a forty

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Speaker 4: minute window from when you order the pizza.

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Speaker 5: You know. Okay, I'm just get up with other stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna just tell you right now. I'm going there Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you're going Wednesday. I'll go.

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Speaker 2: You're going Wednesday. Tell me what time? All going an

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Speaker 2: hour before you okay?

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Speaker 5: Or I can go an hour later. Whatever.

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Speaker 4: Maybe makes it happier for everybody. But the beer doesn't

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Speaker 4: stop though. That's the beer does not taps never go dry.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. We haven't had a chance to talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit about the players with after our last

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Speaker 2: two guests we went to Tennessee. The last two uh,

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Speaker 2: last two seconds, we're going to talk about Jeff Hobson

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Speaker 2: from a Bengals dot com uh in this hour as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about possibilities inside linebacker all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden maybe maybe in free agency maybe uh.

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Speaker 2: And the draft is the center position Mason Cole was released.

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Speaker 2: Not a shocker. I know that they wanted to upgrade

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Speaker 2: the position. They would have been happier with Mason. Mason

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Speaker 2: was like the perfect backup, backup center, back up guard.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to upgrade the position. You typically don't see

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Speaker 2: centers go in the first round typically, I think we've

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Speaker 2: seen just two in the last four years. Steelers did

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Speaker 2: it with Marquise Pouncey. I don't know that there's a

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Speaker 2: Marquise Pouncey in the draft, but the kid from Morgan

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Speaker 2: is very intriguing. What have you seen, what do you

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Speaker 2: like and do you think that's a possibility in round one?

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Speaker 4: I think that's a very real possibility. I love Jackson

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Speaker 4: power Johnson first of all, he fits the size he's on.

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Speaker 4: He's on the all but get off easy team, big

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Speaker 4: enough ride. Yes he is. You don't question it. And

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Speaker 4: you say the all butt team, the all bust team,

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Speaker 4: oh bus, because I can get off the bus. I

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Speaker 4: got those are the guys you want walking off the

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought when you said he was all buddy, I

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Speaker 6: I was shocked at the Senior Bowl because you know,

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Speaker 6: you're like, yeah, he's not six three, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Jackson power Johnson a six three.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he may not be all the way to six three,

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Speaker 6: you know, he was. They weighed him in down. There

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Speaker 5: Well. Yeah, he's very lean and he has a good

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Speaker 4: You know, you worry about some guys maybe they maxed

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Speaker 4: I mean he fits his shoulders, hips, knee, ankle. Everything's

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Speaker 4: the film. You see the explosiveness at the center position,

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Speaker 4: especially when you look at Oregon's offense, right, I mean

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Speaker 4: I mean a lot of what Arthur Smith likes to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then he has the size, he could reach the

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Speaker 4: He's a guy who could secure a double team block

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Speaker 4: snappand quickness is is very good for him. So he's

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Speaker 4: one of the few outliers I think, and if you're

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Speaker 4: you set it and forget it. This guy could be

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Speaker 2: And the thing that I loved a couple of things.

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Speaker 6: I loved the bottom He turned twenty one while we

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Speaker 6: I was watching him at the practices, every run when

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's what we call a last scene guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the last frame of the picture, you want

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Speaker 4: whatever it is. And so that's something that you know

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Speaker 4: and that shows want to because most guys block their

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Speaker 2: No, he's a guy, go and look for somebody else.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking for extra work.

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Speaker 4: And I'm also looking to finish a guy when I can,

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Speaker 4: because that was one of the things. I might not

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Speaker 4: stopping his legs and they're not blowing the whistles. It's

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Speaker 4: just a wave coming forward. Progerick Jones has that touch

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Speaker 4: to him. So adding another guy, especially your center, right,

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Speaker 5: If you're seeing the leader do it, why am I

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Speaker 4: And it brings And you saw throughout the year he

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Speaker 4: I think that's another thing that's indispensable at the center position.

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Speaker 6: The other thing that he did at the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin's down on the field as he always is,

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Speaker 6: you know, for that first day down there, Jackson powers,

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Speaker 6: Johnson goes over runs, over shakes. Mike Tomlin had I

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Speaker 6: and I asked him about it after practice. I just

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Speaker 6: wanted to meet him. I I had, you know, obviously

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Speaker 6: I know who he is. I've heard a lot about him.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to go over and shake his hand

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Speaker 6: and meet him, like, yeh, yeah, can't beat that.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot there to like. There's a lot there

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Speaker 2: to like. Yeah, and it picked number twenty. Chances are

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Speaker 2: he's not going to go above that, so he should

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Speaker 2: be available. If anything, he's obviously twenty and below. The

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Speaker 2: last center picked in the first round was Tyler Lindebaum,

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Speaker 2: who's twenty five. Yeah, and then I think it was

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Speaker 2: Caesar Ruiz of all people, yeah, two years prior to that.

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Speaker 2: So in the last four years is only two centers

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Speaker 2: amounted anything. But yeah, they're not a high commodity. And

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Speaker 2: we also see guards who were picked whore transitioned to center.

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Speaker 2: This guy's a center. He is a big, thick guy

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Speaker 2: who can move and he looks he looks like an

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say an obvious but yeah, a

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Speaker 2: Steeler pick you want, no, but he should be surprised.

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Speaker 5: No, you shouldn't be surprised by that.

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Speaker 4: And I think you know, when we're talking about the

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Speaker 4: new offense, new coordinator, you're trying to get your quarterback

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Speaker 4: Go upgrade the security force for that guy. And that

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Speaker 4: guy's an instant upgrade. You put him at the front

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Speaker 4: of the VIP, in front of the velvet ropes, and

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Speaker 4: he doesn't let anybody in this now in the list, right, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, that's the type of guy he is.

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Speaker 4: And I think you know Mason Cole being released is

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Speaker 4: a tailtale sign that this is a priority for us

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Speaker 4: within the first two days, Like you've got to You've

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Speaker 4: got to hammer that out because I don't think in

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Speaker 4: free agency there's a lot of great options. So I

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Speaker 4: think draft is probably where you want to look at that.

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Speaker 4: And we have Nate herbig be My next question to you, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: as the backup. Yeah, Nate Herbert's a backup and he's

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Speaker 4: the interior three swing and we've seen Nate do all

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Speaker 4: three of those positions and everybody feels comfortab pat Meyer

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Speaker 4: loves him, you know, I love him.

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Speaker 5: I love watching Nate.

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Speaker 4: I love his demeanor and he's always ready to go

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Speaker 4: like I mean, he's one of those guys like, hey, Nate,

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Speaker 4: you're about to go in.

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Speaker 5: He gives you like good he just goes out their place.

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Speaker 4: He's kind of built like a refrigerator. I think he

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Speaker 4: is kind of square. Yeah, the old school with the

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Speaker 4: silver pool handley. You know, tackle is what you guys

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Speaker 4: mentioned before. A lot of prospects also very intriguing last

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Speaker 4: year on Dan Moore's contract. Would that surprise you if

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Speaker 4: they went there. Let me preface everything by saying, Andy

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Speaker 4: Whitel's philosophy is the lines of scrimmage, and so when

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Speaker 4: he's going to compile a draft board what he likes,

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Speaker 4: that's one of the areas. And we saw that last

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Speaker 5: That's a good value for him. But I don't think

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Speaker 4: Be after those high dollar guys at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: Pos really really good.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's some dudes later like the kid

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Speaker 2: Delmar Glaize from Maryland.

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Speaker 6: There's another one that's uh, you know, there's there's some

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Speaker 6: And the beauty of it is, you know how many

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Speaker 2: Now they got to go fill other needs.

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Speaker 4: You got all those new teams that also say we're

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Speaker 4: we don't have Bill Belichicks and we don't give the

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Speaker 5: So but I think this year, Yeah, that's something you have.

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Speaker 2: To think out. Sorry, that's okay, that's right. You know

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Speaker 2: to that point though, too, Max, I love this idea

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Speaker 2: use that we got four of them, but we'll take

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, And that's where people kind of get

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Speaker 4: this guided in this process because it's it's the hot

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Speaker 4: well he ran a four one ninety. You know, No, No,

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Speaker 4: you needed a wide receiver. That's why you drafted this kid.

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Speaker 4: Don't act like you had seventeen wide receiver. He just

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Speaker 4: you're taking You're taking him from your rival in the division.

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Speaker 4: But but you're right. I mean, I think Corners is

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Speaker 4: not going to get him. And then, like you said,

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Speaker 4: you had a little bit of wonkiness in the twenties, right,

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Speaker 4: Tyler Linderbaum goes that was a position. I'm sure they

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Speaker 4: I'm sure the teams have been like, dang it, why

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Speaker 4: don't we take him? You know, even at twenty seven

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Speaker 2: It was one of the things that Steelers have to

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Speaker 2: they're gonna do with Alan Robinson? Do ten million dollars

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Speaker 2: in real money this year? You know, he's kind of

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Speaker 2: Dale you mentioned earlier, it's a it's a strong class

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Speaker 2: for wide receivers, seems to be every year. Anymore. Where

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Speaker 2: does wide receiver do you think fit into their plans? Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm looking at into day two, day three.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think that's also that sweet spot for

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Speaker 2: If you get something else that, I don't think they will. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Don't have them getting what the compickah Okay, So but

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Speaker 6: I mean even at that, you know, you look at

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Speaker 4: And so you could see there there's an attention to

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Speaker 4: So he made these splash plays, but he didn't have

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 6: Same thing with like Roman Wilson from Michigan. I mean

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Speaker 5: So so you did.

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Speaker 4: You don't really know what they have. You just know

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Speaker 4: and that's all I care about. I was like, hey,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you know you're not going to look at

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Speaker 5: You know, I do like it.

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Speaker 4: And and because of Western Kentucky's offense, kid gets a

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Speaker 4: We're not asking him to run Deontay or George's routes.

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Speaker 4: We need him to be in that sweet spot on

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Speaker 5: Tackles and he's gone, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not quite Tyreek Hill, but I mean he

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be valuable in Arthur Smiths offense. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So there's some of those guys in that in that

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Speaker 4: Jermaine Burton from Alabama's another one. Yeah, yep, I'll throw

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Speaker 4: And that's why I think the wide receivers so deep, because,

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Speaker 4: And these kids come out now and they're ready. They're

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Speaker 4: It's like no.

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Speaker 5: If you got eighty, it's like, ah, what were you doing?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: You know, let's check the offense.

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Speaker 2: And he's been going to passing camp since he was

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Speaker 4: He's been a demanding passing academy. He's been a seven

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Speaker 2: And you know, not that you want to look too

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Speaker 2: especially a wide receiver. Yeah, they're going to do it.

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Speaker 2: If you move on, I know that's that's another year

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you you have to And this is this

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Speaker 4: And that was what the Steelers did for a very

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Speaker 4: day day three where you know you got a little

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Speaker 4: bit more flexibility and if I need to jump one

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Speaker 4: to two picks at that point and day three, you're

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Speaker 4: not giving up a lot of resources at that point.

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Speaker 4: But I think, you know, you have to couple wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: inside linebacker, tackle, and detail kind of all in the

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Speaker 4: same tier of priority.

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Speaker 5: And so however it falls in there, like we.

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Speaker 4: Can predict, Hey, this is what I'd love to have,

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Speaker 4: but it's going to be some hits in there where

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Speaker 4: it's like I wasn't anticipating that, But glad you got

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Speaker 4: him right, almost like like like a Nick Herbig, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, we do need it, but we brought

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Speaker 4: in all these veterans, but he's there. Yeah, he's a

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Speaker 4: Wisconsin guy. I got to bring him in, So I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna jump and take that. Or Darnell Washington that fell like, hey,

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Speaker 4: ninety six value.

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Speaker 2: It's just too great.

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Speaker 5: It's too great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not building his size and frame every day,

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Speaker 4: and you let him slip to us, your fault.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna come back with more coverage from the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 2: It's day one. It's our five for us on Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio. When we return, Jeff

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Speaker 2: Hoobson of Bengals dot Com joins us here at the

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Speaker 2: Indiana Convention Center. We'll be back with more of our

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Speaker 2: coverage right after this.

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Speaker 1: Live from about twenty twenty four NFL Combine these Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome back to the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: It's the site of twenty twenty four NFL Combine. Jerry

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Speaker 3: Dulac along with Dale Lawley and Max Starks, but joined

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Speaker 3: now by Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot Com, who joins

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Speaker 3: us annually here at combine.

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Speaker 2: How many combines for you? Uh? Several? Uh? We're going

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Speaker 2: at more than ten, probably past twenty five, yeah, no kidding,

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Speaker 2: pass Yeah, maybe my twenty fifth with the club. So

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Speaker 2: you've been with the club that long. Yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a long time.

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Speaker 7: Great to be here with the upper crust of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 7: sports writing as well as with some Bengels loyalty royalty, Yes,

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Speaker 7: Bengles royalty.

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Speaker 2: Max, Right, his dad was a longtime Bengal. Wasn't a

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Speaker 2: great one too, Yes, he was Ross Brown. So I

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Speaker 2: had the Bengals ear marked for three straight division titles.

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Speaker 2: But he's ever done it, that's I know, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know. And all fell apart. Of course, when you

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Speaker 2: lose a marquee quarterback, that's a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and it was times too. And remember he just

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Speaker 7: didn't have the risk. Remember the whole thing started the

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Speaker 7: second day of camp. But the calf and uh, you

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Speaker 7: know they look at it. Uh, it took him about

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Speaker 7: a month to get back and uh and he had

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Speaker 7: a month and it was quite a month. Beat Buffalo,

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Speaker 7: it was a four and oh month until the rist

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Speaker 7: and you know, beat Seattle on a tough one at home,

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Speaker 7: and then it sifted San Francisco, you know, out played

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Speaker 7: party and uh then the next thing, you know, it's

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Speaker 7: uh and really you know they go four and three

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Speaker 7: with Browning, which tell me the bust is in pretty

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Speaker 7: good shape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh it was a different Browning. Can't be

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Speaker 2: this could be the Steelers.

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Speaker 7: You know, I could have found a way to beat

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Speaker 7: the Steelers once, but not even close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelers sweep the Ravens and the Bengals five and

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Speaker 2: one in the division.

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Speaker 7: I mean that's I know, your guy gets a lot

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Speaker 7: of heat up there, but yes, he does a pretty

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Speaker 7: good coach.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, five and one and the and that in eight

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Speaker 6: and four of the last two years in that division.

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Speaker 6: And I think everybody forgets like two years ago the

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Speaker 6: entire division was three and three against each other.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they'll beat up on each other. I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: it's and that's a tough thing is you know the

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Speaker 7: Bengal a one and five in the division and that's

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Speaker 7: the that's why they didn't make the playoffs, you know,

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Speaker 7: And uh, I know that's gonna be just it's gonna

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Speaker 7: be a talking point today, you know when the Duke

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Speaker 7: Tolbyn and Zach Taylor take take to the podiums. But uh,

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Speaker 7: you know, you also gotta you can't panic, you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean with Joe Burrow, you're you're not going to

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Speaker 7: be one in five.

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Speaker 2: It's like when when Steelers had been You're as Maxwell's

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Speaker 2: no knows, well, you're never out of any game. You're

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Speaker 2: never out of any season when you have that quarterback.

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Speaker 7: And hopefully you know, we got to but uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: we gotta find a way to beat the to beat

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Speaker 7: the Steelers because uh what Mason rulis Mason Rudolph got

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Speaker 7: us twice, right, yeah, so I mean that's.

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Speaker 2: Uh actually the first time was Kenny, So that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sorry about that at all. It's it's all you know,

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Speaker 2: your point was well taken. But the thing with you know,

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Speaker 2: the thing.

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Speaker 7: With the division is there is a clear recipe you

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Speaker 7: know that you need to win it, and it's the

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Speaker 7: whole thing's turnover. It's because the games is so tightly

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's what decides it is that you know,

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Speaker 7: you can talk about rushing yards and sacks and all that,

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Speaker 7: but if you don't turn it over, you know, because

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Speaker 7: the games are just going to be you know, going

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Speaker 7: in they're gonna be decided by seven or less.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think That's something that people overlook to

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Speaker 6: a certain degree with Pickett in particular, is that he

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Speaker 6: doesn't turn the football over. Yeah, the touchdowns, you'd love

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Speaker 6: to have more touchdown passes out of them. But the turnover.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I gave four turnovers all last year, uh,

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Speaker 6: in twelve games. Which if you do that to your point,

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Speaker 6: you're not gonna you're not gonna lose many games. It's

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Speaker 6: the way Burrough plays. He doesn't turn the ball over. No, no,

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Speaker 6: And when he does.

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Speaker 7: We you know, I mean at Baltimore and the ropes

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Speaker 7: and the home opener and uh, you know, going in

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Speaker 7: for a big score and he threw an end zone

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Speaker 7: you know, he threw a red zone pick, which he

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Speaker 7: really really does. But they got by beat, they got

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Speaker 7: beat by four. That decided the game. You know, another

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Speaker 7: another four point division. I think every time we play Baltimore,

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Speaker 7: I think it's twenty seven twenty four, right, you just do.

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Speaker 2: This was always sixteen thirteen, yeah, thirteen ten, exactly.

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Speaker 7: You just don't know, Okay, who's gonna who's gonna who's

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Speaker 7: gonna throw the pick in the fourth quarter because that's

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Speaker 7: what it comes down.

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Speaker 2: And ye and injuries at wide receiver didn't help by

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Speaker 2: their team missed a few games, right, that's correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 7: He lost the big man in the middle. We will

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Speaker 7: have the big man in the middle for that second

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Speaker 7: Pittsburgh game. And anytime you go into a Pittsburgh game,

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Speaker 7: I don't care how they are.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have your.

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Speaker 7: Big nose tackle, it's going to be a long day

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Speaker 7: at Yeah, she expected to be. DJ's a free agents, right,

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Speaker 7: d J reed. We're talking about a terrific player. He's

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Speaker 7: meant so much to them. Uh, and he's a free

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Speaker 7: agent place. He's coming off quad surgery. They'd love to

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Speaker 7: have him back. But you know how it is, man,

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Speaker 7: you borrow's got the two seventy five, you get the

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Speaker 7: twenty two million on tea, you know, so money runs

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Speaker 7: out quick, you know, and so they feel like, maybe

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Speaker 7: go ahead, that's another year for him, That's another year

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Speaker 7: probably for your mind. You know, they let's get that

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Speaker 7: done as soon as possible. But you know that might

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Speaker 7: because he's he's coming he's going into his fourth year.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Boy's gonna have to walk. He's going to be

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Speaker 2: had to pay him. Yeah, you know, I keep hearing

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Speaker 2: he's coming to your place. That's because he went to

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Speaker 2: Claireton I going pit Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I think if they go wide receiver, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be in a draft. I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: going to go outside. I'm not going to say a

587
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Speaker 2: great career.

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Speaker 7: What a great career he had Cincinnati, one of the

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Speaker 7: you know, he passed uh t J.

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Speaker 2: Houshman's out of fourth on the all time receptions in

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Speaker 2: that club. So that's a you know, more than five

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Speaker 2: hundred kitchen or is the Shay Townsend you'd like to

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Speaker 2: call him t J. Pushman's.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So if you if you lose reader, Yeah, how

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Speaker 6: do you replace that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Probably, you know, you gotta draft somebody. I think that's

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Speaker 7: probably the first thing you're looking at. Uh and uh,

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Speaker 7: maybe drafting two.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get some corner issues too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well I think you know Ouzi probably you know,

603
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Speaker 7: they're trying to resign a Woozier that's going to be had,

604
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Speaker 7: but uh, you know, they do have a DJ Turner,

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Speaker 7: the second round pick last year from Michigan. He kind

606
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Speaker 7: of tail a little bit at the end of last year,

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Speaker 7: but he really had a really good He can.

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Speaker 2: Play in the league. He proved that.

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Speaker 7: So I think with camp Taylor Britain, DJ Turney, you're

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Speaker 7: pretty good there. Now you need, like everybody else in

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Speaker 7: the league, you need a little bit of depth after that.

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Speaker 7: But you know there's some I you know, I think

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Speaker 7: there's some uh, you know, you're probably gonna draft another

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Speaker 7: guy there too, I would think, can I think you

615
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Speaker 7: know too, Okay, everybody gets so excited about match, you know,

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Speaker 7: in that match sixteenth, match seventeenth, and you get all

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Speaker 7: these unbelievable deals. I kind of like match twenty eighth,

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Speaker 7: twenty nine thirty. If you're down at the league meetings,

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Speaker 7: is the big wave? Maybe the first couple weeks in

620
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Speaker 7: April get some good players.

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Speaker 2: It's typically it's typically the stealer way, even though they've

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Speaker 2: kind of quote violated that the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: but typically that's the way they've always you know.

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Speaker 7: So now what will be there now with the kessel

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Speaker 7: High Will you have that class of that very good

626
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Speaker 7: class of free agents that cost half as much?

627
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Speaker 2: I don't know. So the does the inflated cap help

628
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Speaker 2: any of your veterans who they might not ever been otherwise.

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Speaker 7: I would imagine say, I would think it would help some,

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Speaker 7: But I don't think it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it. I don't think it.

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Speaker 7: When you got two receivers and a quarterback like that,

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Speaker 7: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, helps all that much. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The scary thing I think for the if you're if

636
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Speaker 6: you're as a Bengals fan, is watching what happens in Dallas,

637
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Speaker 6: and if if the receiver there gets thirty million, what's

638
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Speaker 6: your guy gonna want?

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Speaker 2: Which guy too? Guy there's two? Number one is there? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: But that's why you know, uh, and that's the other

641
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Speaker 7: Well with Burrow, do you need to draft you need

642
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Speaker 7: to keep signing you know, receivers at the top of

643
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Speaker 7: the market. You know, you get a quarterback that can

644
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Speaker 7: deliver the ball. But you know, let's face it, that's

645
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Speaker 7: why they're so great. It's because the receivers are so great,

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Speaker 7: you know, and you get the great quarterback. So you know,

647
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Speaker 7: if you can keep both, you try. But I mean,

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Speaker 7: you gotta stop them too, and you know they've had

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Speaker 7: some issues stopping people.

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Speaker 2: You know, they kind of have to. C J.

651
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Speaker 7: Stroud came in and that was probably the toughest loss

652
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 7: of the year Burrow was playing, and that stopped Houston

653
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 7: beat them by a field goal at the gun and

654
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 7: that was the one game Burrow lost when he was

655
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 7: healthy in that month stretch. And you know they didn't

656
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 7: they couldn't. They couldn't stop the long bow. And you

657
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 7: know they get steal has beat him on a couple

658
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 7: of long plays in Pittsburgh. So you know they've got

659
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 7: to you know, they get they've got to they've got

660
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 7: to beef up. You know, some spots on defense too.

661
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And one of the things that's interesting because Jonah

662
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: Williams agent as well, and both your key backup sharping and.

663
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 5: I'm drawing blank on the third guy, Cody Ford.

664
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: Yep, Cody.

665
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: So you got so you got some depth issues that

666
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: you kind of have to fill out as well, because

667
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 4: we know that that's been a big issue, right, is

668
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: the Bengals have really gone after going good in Orlando

669
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: Brown and then shifting Jonah Williams going and getting Alex

670
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 4: Kappa and you're really trying to you know, bols and

671
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: you've gone at trying to really keep him protected. But

672
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: now you kind of have a void there at the

673
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: right tackle position. So is that a priority you think

674
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: here or you think that's a free agent.

675
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 7: No, I think that's probably Max. That's a good question.

676
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 7: I'm guessing that that's kind of you're looking at eighteen

677
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 7: at that spot plus and you would probably know better

678
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 7: than I. But that position looks to be pretty deep

679
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 7: this year. So even if you don't get the guy

680
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 7: at eighteen, you might be able to get him maybe

681
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 7: maybe in the second round. I mean if because I

682
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 7: think there's a there's a there's a crop of maybe

683
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 7: three or four really you know, tackles, and then it

684
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 7: kind of drops a little bit, so you know, so

685
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 7: you know they're going right, the first three are going

686
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 7: and then so it comes down to how do they

687
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 7: think about that second theyer a guy and then you know,

688
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 7: uh do they think, you know, do they go? I

689
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 7: just think it's gonna be a big man probably who

690
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 7: comes off the board, be an offense or defense.

691
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: It could be the entire first round could be big

692
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: big men in cornerbacks.

693
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, very well.

694
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Speaker 7: And I mean it always like you get the quarterbacks

695
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 7: out of the way in the first three, right, first

696
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 7: three or four, and then.

697
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: Big men in corner baile because you're never gonna have

698
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: enough off in the line.

699
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: You can never have enough corners right.

700
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 7: I mean, and that's if you look at how this

701
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 7: club has kind of attacked it. It's, uh, you know,

702
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 7: they in a twenty twenty He's and they've had a

703
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 7: great run with free agency, you know, and they kind

704
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 7: of attack their corner, uh, their corners. You know, they've

705
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 7: got second round corners DJ Turner, Cam Taylor, Britain. No,

706
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 7: they spent a lot of money in freiously on a

707
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 7: woozy a in Hilton, so you know they've treated that

708
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 7: as you know, they've treated.

709
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: That as a premium. Still high on Mike Kilton, Oh

710
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: they are? Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, I

711
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: great nickel.

712
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 7: Guy, you know, you know, and he's very versatile and

713
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 7: uh they got an interesting dynamic with Dax Hill, who

714
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 7: might not be a real natural safety but you know

715
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 7: maybe maybe you know, could they flop him and Hilton

716
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 7: could have could could could.

717
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Dax feel a little bit of what I loved him?

718
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: You know? And that's what he is.

719
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's what he that's what he played

720
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 7: in Michigan. But he's a tremendous player. I mean, he's

721
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 7: a tremendous athlete and he's really he's you know, he

722
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 7: can do he can do it all. I think they're

723
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 7: thinking and Duke Tobin said this at the Senior Bowl

724
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 7: last month, he can do everything, but we want to

725
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 7: do one thing.

726
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: Well, we want to find out what that is.

727
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 7: So I don't know, do they move through You know,

728
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 7: Hilton played a little bit of safety this year, you know,

729
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 7: so he's just he can. He can really, you know,

730
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 7: Mike's meant so much. He was a captain this year.

731
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 7: He's meant so much to the team as a football player. Yeah,

732
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 7: I mean, he's just he's exactly you know, he's exactly

733
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 7: what they need. And uh you know, I like that

734
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 7: the position he plays, he hangs, he's gonna be you know,

735
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 7: he's not going anywhere. You know, he's maybe getting a

736
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 7: little bit. You know, he's twenty seventeen, he's twenty sixteen.

737
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 7: I think he came out of twenty sixteen undrafted.

738
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: I think so.

739
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 7: But you know, he's you know, you don't have to

740
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 7: be you know, you don't have to be at the

741
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 7: cathlete to do what he does.

742
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: He's doing. He's doing it on brains and positioning. Uh So,

743
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: do you think the active in free agency? You think

744
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: in terms of bringing people in, I mean I think

745
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: it's tough.

746
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 7: I think usually I mean, if you just go look

747
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 7: at history when they have the veteran quarterback, you know,

748
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 7: they keep their own right, you know. I think that's

749
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 7: and that's I think that's where we are now. You know,

750
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 7: you're not if you get a free agent splash. It's

751
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 7: because they kept one there, guys, which.

752
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: Is the way typically the Steelers operated.

753
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 7: It's they operate very much, very much like you know,

754
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 7: Duke tolbenhen Kevin. You know, we're you know, they were

755
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 7: good friends, they were they known each other along the

756
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 7: way in the scouting trail. They probably saw things probably

757
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 7: a little bit, uh you know, a little bit the

758
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 7: same way. And you know, the the Browns and Rules

759
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 7: known each other all the time, you know, and I

760
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 7: think they I think they probably took, they probably bought

761
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 7: a little bit from each other. You know, a lot

762
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 7: of respect there, a lot of mutual respect there. So

763
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 7: it's really no surprise that there's.

764
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, you keep that thinking up. They might have

765
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 2: a couple of division titles in their possession. No wait

766
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: a minute, they you know, I'm shocked that there's no

767
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: Boston background in you with You can't you just can't

768
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: tell when when we talked.

769
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 7: I'm a Cincinnati guy though, you know that's amazing Cincinnati since.

770
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: And you were to inquire, correct, I was at the

771
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: Post first. Yeah, I killed that paper and then I

772
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: went then it's like it's like me, I went from.

773
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 7: The yeah that yeah, and then I went to the inquiry.

774
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Wasn't the Post It wasn't it a Scripts Howard? Was

775
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: it scripts? Because like me? Yeah, right it was? It

776
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: was a Pittsburgh Press, yes, right, yeah.

777
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 7: It was some really good uh Steelers writers there too.

778
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely a lot of good writers. Unfortunately, uh you know

779
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: a lot of them lost their jobs because the press

780
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: was the bigger paper. Steve, they eventually sold he yeah,

781
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: he yeah, he right, he left because he didn't get

782
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: taken on. That's right, y, Yeah, Steve Howard was good. Yeah, yeah,

783
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: always good scene in my.

784
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 7: Great sending you guys.

785
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: Max. Always gonna see.

786
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: Always gonna see YouTube.

787
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see you, man, I'll talk to you. Sounds good.

788
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: Thank you. Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot Com. Twenty five

789
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: years with the club.

790
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 7: Huh twenty four but twenty fifth season and combine you know.

791
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: How that was?

792
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, twenty Peter Warre would be twenty four years.

793
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 8: Peter Warwick Day, April fifteenth to kid, Peter Warwick. That

794
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 8: was my first and a john, but that I date

795
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 8: you a little bit. Yeah, and I think they took

796
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 8: Wark fourth in the Steelers took Black School Burst from State.

797
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right in two high. But I can't

798
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: find my khakis. I know that, but I don't know

799
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: oh where, oh where.

800
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: I packed it.

801
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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break.

802
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: We will come back with more from the NFL combine

803
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: in Indianapolis.

804
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: Right after this. You're listening to Fox Sports Pittsburgh and

805
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: Steeler Nation Radio's.

806
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: Continuing NFL combine from on Steelers Nation Rags.

807
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: All right, we're back, all right. Thanks to Jeff Hopson,

808
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: a Bengals dot Com uh, I asked him if he

809
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: expected the Bengals to be active in free agency. Max

810
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: steel has been very active the last two years in

811
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: free agency. Surprisingly, do you expect them to be that

812
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: active given that every starter on offense is back, although

813
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Mason Cole now is not, and most of your starter

814
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: is on defense are back. But there are some some

815
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: and you know how it works. They use free agency

816
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: to offset the UH the emergency needs in the draft. Yeah,

817
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: how busy or lack of busy do you think they'll be.

818
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 5: I think they'll be value hunters this time around.

819
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: I think you kind of made big splashes the last

820
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: couple of years, and so I think now, you know,

821
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 4: like Jeff was talking about, right that end of March

822
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: beginning at April second wave, and that's where the guys

823
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: didn't get what they thought they were worth, which we

824
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: talked about.

825
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 5: Ramon, Right, Hey, I think I'm worth this.

826
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 4: Well, you might want to think here, just to be

827
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 4: in reality, all the players.

828
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 6: That are that are going to be free agents just

829
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 6: saw the cap go up by thirty million. Yeah, so

830
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 6: now they're thinking, you know, the dollar signs start clicking

831
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 6: in your head a little bit.

832
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do until you start realizing that, Okay, well

833
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: who's the quarterback on this team?

834
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 5: Yeah right, it's like that money's chewed up so they

835
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 5: don't have to.

836
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: Burrow.

837
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, like you like, you know, there's a little

838
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: less rest restructuring going on, or it's not as great

839
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: of a restructure.

840
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: So I mean it is a value.

841
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 4: But I think for the Steelers where we're looking especially

842
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: inside linebacker, because you're gonna take you're gonna you're gonna

843
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: dabble in both. And then for defensive linemen, you know,

844
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: if somebody comes up of value, they can add depth

845
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: to that defensive line and then of course surprised if

846
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: there's a safety that falls.

847
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 6: I really really like the safety group, and that's available

848
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 6: in free agency this year, and they're not all going

849
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 6: to get paid. It's just there's like twenty guys there

850
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 6: who are starters. Yeah, that and that just seems to

851
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 6: be that position that.

852
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 4: Like running back, right, you know, it's just that there's

853
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 4: not a high value placed on them. And like you said,

854
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: when you have a lot to choose from, we're not

855
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: We're not gonna go break the bank for you. And

856
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: I think those guys will be more amenable as as

857
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: free agency wears.

858
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: On before we can get value.

859
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: Once you start to see the musical chairs happen and

860
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 6: seats start being taken, you know, yeah.

861
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: Just like gotta get what I can because I need

862
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: to be on a roster, right, you know, a.

863
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 5: As a true unrestricted free agent. So I think they

864
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 5: will be. I just don't think they'll be as active

865
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 5: as they have in the last two years.

866
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: I think Omar Sheldon and and Andy and them have

867
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: done a lot to really bolster and turn on I mean,

868
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 4: you think about last year, right on ninety five guys.

869
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 4: We have fifty four new faces. So they did a

870
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: big turnover last year. I don't think they're going to

871
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: try and do an overhaul again this year.

872
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: And you look at the they don't have any really

873
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 2: significant free agent losses. Mason Rudolph and and Miles Killer

874
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Brewer are probably the two biggest on the list, and

875
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: you know they're going to resign Miles Killer I would imagine,

876
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: you know, special teams captain pro Bowler right absolutely, And

877
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: Mason is amenable to coming back. He's amenable to checking

878
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: what's out there. And with all due respect to Mason,

879
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: it's not I don't think teams are going to be

880
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: lining up to sign him. That's what people in Pittsburgh think.

881
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: But I still think all that aside, his best opportunity

882
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: is still here in Pittsburgh.

883
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he proven track record. You're a drafted guy

884
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: at Hell. I called your name in the draft the

885
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 4: year you were drafted him and Chukes in the third round.

886
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: I think I think he likes Pittsburgh. I think he

887
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: likes the comfortability of it. And like you said, the

888
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: ceiling for him, as far as expectations is still relatively low.

889
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: Like they're not expecting him to be day one starter.

890
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: You've got to come in and be five years committed

891
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: to this. You'll be able to get a two year

892
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: deal done with him. That's that's gonna be similar to

893
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: Mitch Trubisky, a little bit above that, and I think,

894
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 4: actually I think it might end up below it, but nonetheless, Yeah,

895
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 4: but somewhere in that region, right, I mean, because they're

896
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: gonna look at the resume and say, hey, what have

897
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: you done for the le that got us to the playoffs?

898
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: And he can say that that's that's worth a little

899
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: bit of a bump and and and the old scratch game.

900
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: And there's probably know, there's probably not too many places,

901
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 2: if any where, he's going to go where he would

902
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: have a better opportunity to maybe morph into the starting

903
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: role than what he has here, because he has a

904
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: lot of the teammates on his side, the coaches who

905
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: were there on his side, even people in the front

906
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: office on his side who know that if can he

907
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Pickett would struggle early in the year, you know, right,

908
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna be quick.

909
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you've got a new offensive coordinator in Arthur Smith,

910
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 6: who was there when they made to move in Tennessee

911
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 6: from Marcus Mariota to Tannehills. Right, that was after six games.

912
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 6: You know, they pulled the plug on that. And you

913
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 6: know the Titans weren't struggling as a team at that point. No,

914
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 6: they just just said, you know what, this guy was

915
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 6: better in the preseason. We're gonna make the switch. And

916
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: the other thing too, Max. You know, the one thing

917
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 6: of people now, it's funny all the people who with

918
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 6: all the hype over Kenny Pickett has now turned to

919
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 6: pessimism about it, and all the people who had him

920
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame are now calling him a bust.

921
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 6: He is not that the guy's fourteen and ten as

922
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 6: a started to go back to the end of his

923
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 6: rookie season to the beginning of last year.

924
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: He's twelve and five in that seventeen game window. That's

925
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: possibly a number one seed if you will. So it's

926
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: it's not like they can't win with them. It's just

927
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: that some of the some of the product in terms

928
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: of point production. As I say, the numbers aren't aren't beautiful.

929
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 6: That's right, And he's not a fantasy football friendly quarterback

930
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 6: and in many ways out the hard way, and in many.

931
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Ways he could be like Neil O'Donnell and that you

932
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: can win with him, but how far are you gonna

933
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: go with him? And and that's why year three is

934
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: really big for him and really big for the Steelers

935
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: evaluating him.

936
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why you don't you don't jump at

937
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: every shiny new toy right now, because you know, it

938
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 4: takes three years to really know what you have at

939
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 4: a quarterback, and especially now that you're switching the system,

940
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 4: and regardless of where we're at right now, it can't

941
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: be any worse than what he was in and he

942
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: still succeeded within the confines of that system. So give

943
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: him an earnest shot at being the guy with a

944
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 4: brand new system, fresh start, right, you know, and and

945
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: see what you can have with him, I think, and

946
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 4: Mason gives a security blanket for the Steelers.

947
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 5: They also he also gives.

948
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: A competitive push, that nudge that he's gonna need by

949
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: having him there. And you're still gonna go get somebody

950
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: else because you you still got to have three or four,

951
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: You have to have four quarterbacks on the roster going

952
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 4: in the training camp, right, that's what you have to

953
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: have regardless, So whether you bring one in a free agency,

954
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: you draft a couple here, like, you're gonna have to

955
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: fill out that spot to get to ninety five by

956
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: the time OTA start. So why not have somebody in

957
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 4: the house that's familiar face, right, cheers, walk in this norm?

958
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: Right, that's what.

959
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: Basically, that's what hey norm all right, and then bring

960
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: in some new faces and and see how it works,

961
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 4: you know, depending on the draft. But fill your holes

962
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 4: and those necessary things. I think Mason and Miles will

963
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: be both targets of them. You're talking about free agency,

964
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: you know, activity, it'll be keeping in house and then finding.

965
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: The value later later in the in the signing period.

966
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 6: In terms of learning a new offense, how difficult is

967
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 6: that it can under today's constraints with the how many

968
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 6: times you can practice and how much of that's gonna

969
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 6: fall on the players themselves to study outside of the norm.

970
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 5: It's it's gonna fall a lot on them.

971
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why you know, the advent of what

972
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: quarterbacks bring guys to wherever they are and hey, we're gonna,

973
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna, We're gonna stay at my crib and San

974
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 4: Diego and we're gonna we're gonna throw you know, two

975
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: times a day for two weeks. You know, Tom Brady

976
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: kind of popularized this type of deal. But guys, we're

977
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 4: doing this beforehand. But I think that's where it comes in.

978
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 4: You know, get getting your quarterback of your wide receiver

979
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: in this playbook, giving them a copy of it, you know,

980
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: digital or however, and we need to work through the

981
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: system so that when we come back for training camp

982
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: from OTAs, we're better suited to hit the ground running

983
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: and for offensive and defensi alignment. Like talking with your boys,

984
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: like you know, if you need to do a zoom

985
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: or FaceTime and kind of go through this you know

986
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 4: whoever the sinner is going to be and getting into

987
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: a rhythm. So that the terminology, because that's the biggest thing.

988
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 4: It's always terminology, even though you even though you know

989
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: a new OC coming in tries to keep the old terminology.

990
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: And you have a lot of the coaching staff intact

991
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: from the previous so there's gonna be more of an

992
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 4: ownus for Arthur Smith to really get into their system

993
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 4: versus bringing in his brand new system.

994
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 5: But still gonna be some new things.

995
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: We have a new white receiver, coach, we got some

996
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: new guys that new faces on the offense, so it's

997
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: gonna be melding those and I think that's the time

998
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: now that they're getting that out the way so that

999
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 4: when they present to the players, it's cohesive and it's

1000
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 4: one ban, one sound from the coaching staff and you

1001
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 4: don't have any outlier.

1002
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: I don't like this or this sounds this sounds messed up.

1003
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: I mean because I remember that when uh, when we

1004
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: had went from Russ to coach Zerlin.

1005
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 5: You know, this makes no sense.

1006
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is how we've done it for three years,

1007
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: and by the way, we won a Super Bowl doing

1008
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: this exact thing. So let's let let let's be a

1009
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 4: little more amenable coach uh with understanding this, uh that

1010
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 4: you know the way that we at least call things,

1011
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: because I mean even then for my unit, especially for

1012
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: offensive line, we make up our own terminology anyways, so

1013
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: there's going to be a terminology that the offensive coordinator knows, Oh,

1014
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 4: this is a deuce, this is an ace, this is

1015
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: a backside slip. We're gonna be like, hey, it's a toy.

1016
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: It's a toy because you, like the Dan lineman already

1017
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: know what it is. Hey, sugar, Sugar, sugar. That being

1018
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: set off the ball. We're gonna create our own because

1019
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: that's just offensive lineman play. Because if we're communicating, the

1020
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: defenses hearing that, they know, they know what a deuce

1021
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: block is, they know what a trade block is.

1022
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: So it's like we have to kind of change it up.

1023
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 5: You know, I'll never.

1024
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: Forget we switched for the hard count for three because

1025
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: Chris Kimiyatu could never member three and we couldn't say hey,

1026
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: Chris on three, or we couldn't say hard count. So

1027
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 4: we were like twah tah, and he was like, what

1028
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: does that mean? I said, we just told you it's

1029
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: fringe for three. Stop it they We're like, well, how

1030
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 4: about this tray? He's like, no, that sounds like a

1031
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: block on the front side. And it's also Trey Essex's name.

1032
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: I can't do that, so wed.

1033
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 4: So so you know, we have the and it's like, okay,

1034
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: we got to settle on something that throws up that

1035
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: doesn't tip the other squad. So that's that's usually the

1036
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: toughest transition for a lot of guys. Especially with the

1037
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: new OC.

1038
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: And and you know, and we only have a minute left.

1039
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: But that's why I thought it was important really to

1040
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: bring back Mike Sullivan because one the players at the

1041
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: quarterbacks just loved the guy. He obviously was to play

1042
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: caller and ran that offense. But to have him for

1043
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 2: that transition period, I think for the exact reasons you said,

1044
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: it's very big.

1045
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he and he knows the personnel, That's what

1046
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: I mean. Art doesn't know that personnel, so he knows. Hey,

1047
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 4: Roger Jones can run a tackle counter I probably wouldn't

1048
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: running with Dan Moore. So let's think about it in

1049
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: this How do we get some formations to flip it

1050
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: that even though we're showing window dressing, because that's what

1051
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 4: he likes. So yes, very important to have that continuity

1052
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 4: and carryover between coordinators.

1053
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: Well, you've got one more hour before your nap? Is

1054
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: that what you said?

1055
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 5: Right?

1056
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Now has two more hours? Is that correct? You

1057
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: get two more Matt Williamson comes back in here right back. Yeah,

1058
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: and I leave. I'll see you guys tomorrow exactly. Well,

1059
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: enjoy your day, Jerry, I will I still got work

1060
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: to do. I have to go do the other kind

1061
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: of work though. Okay, yeah, they're not leaving, don't get it,

1062
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So and then we will turn

1063
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: it over to our six of our coverage today, Day

1064
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: one at the NFL Combine for Maya co host Dale

1065
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: Lawley and Max Starks. I'm Jerry do Lex Day Right

1066
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: where you are, There's more NFL Combine coverage coming your

1067
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: way on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio