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Speaker 1: One two one two sturdy.

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Speaker 2: Elms on everybody, Almzon, everybody, Hi, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast. You guys should see what we

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Speaker 2: go through trying to get this thing going.

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Speaker 3: But it sounds so good.

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Speaker 2: It does sound good, and uh we're happy to be

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Speaker 2: here with you. Of course, the WTA finals are going

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Speaker 2: on and we have lots to comment on before we

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Speaker 2: get to the WDA finals. Sorry, we want to talk about,

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Speaker 2: Oh Canada, Victoria Momboco.

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Speaker 4: What I delighted it is to have a Canadian young

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Speaker 4: woman of upstanding baseline skills, a dazzling smile and an

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Speaker 4: so exciting to watch her. When Hong Kong I was thrilled.

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Speaker 4: Victoria Booko. Of course we were talking about love it.

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Speaker 2: We need these younger players to come through, We need

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Speaker 2: them to keep winning. Obviously winning in Canada. What was

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Speaker 2: that like? Three months ago? Feels like forever.

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Speaker 3: However, ago before.

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Speaker 2: The US Open and then she had this issue with

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Speaker 2: her wrist. You know how I feel about it. I

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Speaker 2: didn't think she should have played the US Open. She

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Speaker 2: was not ready to play that tournament and she wasn't

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Speaker 2: of time and away from you know, she's been playing

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Speaker 2: in Asia, but clearly she's one hundred percent now and

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Speaker 2: wins the tournament in Hong Kong. So a couple of

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Speaker 3: What a great path she had.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes these smaller tournaments, you know, don't always attract the

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Speaker 4: top field. But Victoria and Boger went through a pretty

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Speaker 4: much a gauntlet getting to the finals, which she won

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Speaker 4: in three sets against Busca from Spain. Before that, she

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Speaker 4: played Leela Fernandez. They went three sets. That was a

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Speaker 4: very good match, and she had priorly gone through Colinskaya.

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Speaker 4: But the alex Yaala match for me was one of

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Speaker 4: the more exciting ones, even though that happened only in

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Speaker 4: the round of sixteen. Alex Yala is the first Filipino

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Speaker 4: player to crack the top what is it fifty, Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on top fifty for the very first time a Filipino.

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Speaker 2: That's so awesome.

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Speaker 4: It's so awesome, and the fans doing that in Asia, obviously,

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Speaker 4: she had a good run on the hard courts earlier

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Speaker 4: like tennis is the best port in the world. And

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Speaker 4: one of the reasons is the best part in the

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Speaker 4: get highlighted. Alex Yala is a star. She came to

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Speaker 4: our bobb a lot event at the Seaport Racket Club

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Speaker 4: this summer. Yeah, and the amount of press who wanted

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Speaker 4: who wanted to follow her around. You know, it was

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Speaker 4: really interesting to watch. She's a star, as is Vicki

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Speaker 4: and Boco. So I'm really feeling very optimistic about the

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Speaker 4: young women who are about to inherit, you know, sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about those two, and then of course

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Speaker 2: Mira andrev who, as we talked about last week, missed

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Speaker 2: for Taikyo.

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Speaker 4: I just want to point out what an ass eater

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Speaker 4: it must be, because she's in't Reo out.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, an ass eater.

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Speaker 3: Just it bites you in the aps because she's there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for clarifay, because I.

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Speaker 4: Was playing doubles. She qualified in doubles Ersten, so she's

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Speaker 4: there anyway, she might as well be playing singles. It's

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Speaker 2: Word on the street is that she might be playing

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Speaker 3: I preventive medical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Amanda Anisimova was like, got your kid.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get barth time, stay away from me.

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Speaker 2: And also Jasmine Paulini was also talked about today by

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Speaker 4: I'm not totally surprised these guys are dead and blooded

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Speaker 2: And I think what happens is when you get into

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Speaker 2: If I was a player, I would be preventatively trying

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Speaker 2: clearly Maddie Keys that was that was a classy thing

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Speaker 4: While we're on the subject of handshakes, there was a

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Speaker 4: Igish Fiantek not shaking the hand of the umpire immediately.

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Speaker 4: I do want to say she went back and leader

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Speaker 4: You greet your opponent the net, you both walk together

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Speaker 3: She didn't do that, and.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was because she was a little salty about

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Speaker 4: who appears to be from all I can tell on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a little bit unusual. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to loose myself. Yeah, she definitely a breath shook

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Speaker 2: the umpire's hand. Ship So calm the farm, everybody out there.

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Speaker 2: She did the right thing in the end, and we've

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Speaker 3: Doesn't seem very fun, especially.

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Speaker 2: Getting smoked six and the third. But before we fully

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Speaker 2: will now play MUSSETI so we know that Mussetti joined

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Speaker 2: the I need to play one more tournament to try

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Speaker 2: interestingly enough, you're a guy Felix Asier Ali Siem said,

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Speaker 2: you deserve to be in. I don't want to play

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Speaker 2: because he could have played. He could have played Mets

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Speaker 2: But I think he's smart here because he's like, look,

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Speaker 2: if Massetti wins the tournament, good for you. If not,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be exhausted going into the ATB

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Speaker 3: And then Alane and turned to compete in the last.

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Speaker 2: I will see he's betting on himself and he's not

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Speaker 4: I think that that's actually really wise. And I was

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Speaker 4: going to make that same point. He's betting on himself

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Speaker 4: and he's not betting on MUSSETI now keen listeners of

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Speaker 4: the show will remember that a week ago I was

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Speaker 4: real team Felix.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you, you were always team four, but I.

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Speaker 4: Was optimistic that he would be in content engine and look,

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Speaker 4: we don't know. Mis said, he's got to win this tournament,

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Speaker 3: Earlier that said, I.

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Speaker 4: Think Felix, the way he has comported himself making the

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Speaker 4: semis of the US Open, I think was a major

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Speaker 4: breakthrough moment, not only because obviously it was the furthest

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Speaker 4: but also he's playing with like, uh positive composure in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, you and I have spoken about

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Speaker 2: this so much in the last few years about Felix.

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Speaker 2: I've always said I just if I was coaching him,

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Speaker 2: I would shake him, like literally like shake him and

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that sound relaxing? The na stubs his relaxation.

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Speaker 2: You know when you just like, you know, when singers

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Speaker 4: This is a really compelling case for Yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: I just want him to relax. I just want him

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Speaker 2: be like, listen, here's the deal. Doesn't matter if you win.

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Speaker 2: I want to see literally how much fun you can have.

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Speaker 2: I want you to be a little bit like a

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Speaker 2: Roger Federer type who he's sort of modeled a lot

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Speaker 2: of his game on. And you know he's born the

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Speaker 2: same day as Roger, just about twelve years later. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they have the same birthday, and just like, just relax,

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Speaker 2: just almost tank. I just want to see you tanker match,

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Speaker 4: Fuck I want him to do. I want him to

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Speaker 4: have like ten percent quarantine mute.

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Speaker 2: Ten percent that's stampt back some most just.

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Speaker 4: A little dog and that little dog is named quarantine.

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Speaker 2: Mate who lost today?

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Speaker 3: I know, I think a really good hit, a good

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Speaker 3: fall run.

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Speaker 4: He made the finals out in one of those step countries,

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Speaker 4: which I was really in al Madi, I was really

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Speaker 4: pleased to see. Yeah, I mean quarantine mate. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: don't want more than ten percent of him at a

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Speaker 4: gain of a time, but Felix could certainly use it

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Speaker 4: and just shake those shoulders up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: Any other men you want to talk about before we

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Speaker 4: get to the results from Riad, No.

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Speaker 2: Not really, but I do want to say this could

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Speaker 2: be sound baron Rica's last match.

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Speaker 4: Tim for Rinka's really given us a lot. He's given

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Speaker 4: us two of the most beautifully horrific outfits Evernis Court.

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Speaker 2: With the greatest, most beautiful one handed back and we've

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Speaker 3: The line he Justine Hannah, but yes a male, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: Richard Gascay, Hello fans out there, I want you.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, everyone out there, you can all write

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Speaker 3: Tell us where Rene is wrong and Justine and.

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Speaker 4: Standy Rinka is going to be missed because he wore

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Speaker 2: So talk about that waffling. I will say you dick

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Speaker 3: He's not trying to win.

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Speaker 2: He's not trying to win Grand Slams anymore. The guy's

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Speaker 4: Novak Djokovic, you know, could solve this Lorenzo Mussetti Felix

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Speaker 2: Guess what, Caitlin, there's no chance that Novak's not playing.

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Speaker 2: If he's playing this week. He's not playing this week

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying he could happen. Anything could happen.

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Speaker 4: Right now, talk about one thing and one thing only,

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Speaker 4: about ok So, shall we proceed.

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Speaker 2: We shall proceed. Let's uh, do you want to go

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Speaker 4: Let's finish the tennis and then we can, okay, of

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Speaker 2: Which is see it's going to say complaining about the media. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So here we go, ladies and gentlemen and tennis fans

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Speaker 3: That's certainly the Stefanie Graff group.

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Speaker 3: She's in the Stepigraph group. Okay, so Stephanie.

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Speaker 2: I better knuckle down here and try and win this

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Speaker 3: Totally, It's kind of it.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. Yeah, fourhand haymaker, boom winner,

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Speaker 4: If only we all had the arena Sablanca arsenal at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think for me, it's hard to imagine

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Speaker 2: whole bunch over the last few years. And then against

436
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 2: Mattie Keys again the same She looked very anxious. She

437
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 2: was not playing well. Maddie was playing pretty well, up

438
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 2: a set and three one, then all of a sudden,

439
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: Amanda just sort of found her way. It was a

440
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 2: little bit like how she played against Osakan the Semis

441
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 2: of the US Open, where she was down a set

442
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 2: in six five and all a sudden something just clicked.

443
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 2: She played so much better after that. But I just

444
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,199
Speaker 2: feel like once she got back in that match, and

445
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 2: she sort of found her normality, if that makes sense

446
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 2: to me. She's like, oh, this is a tennis match.

447
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 2: That's a tennis court. I'm playing against somebody had never

448
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 2: played to get it against, which is crazy. She never

449
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,640
Speaker 2: played Madison Keys either, and sort of like finally sort

450
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,360
Speaker 2: of found her rhythm a little bit, and you could

451
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 2: tell that her shoulders just relaxed and she calmed down,

452
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,200
Speaker 2: and once it got to three sets, you just had

453
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 2: a feeling it was going to be over. And then

454
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,199
Speaker 2: we didn't really know about Madison Keys not being one

455
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: hundred percent, but certainly that didn't help her, but Amanda

456
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 2: and usim over winning that match in three is a

457
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 2: huge thing for her going into the next match because

458
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 2: she now has an opportunity to get through to the

459
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 2: Semis if she wins her next match in straight sets.

460
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 3: And I give her a good chance.

461
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the thing that I like watching

462
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 4: about an Asimova too much is you can look you

463
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 4: can learn her. You can see her learning curve right

464
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 4: exactly what we were just talking about, where she kind

465
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 4: of gets her sea legs a little bit and then

466
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 4: she settles in. I mean, even just watching the two

467
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 4: matches she played against Serena Sbalanka under the lights this year.

468
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,360
Speaker 4: You know, the first match petrified, the second match took

469
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 4: it to her and almost got away with a set,

470
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,719
Speaker 4: and you know that third set in a final, who

471
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 4: knows anything happens, right, So for me, watching Anisimova dial

472
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 4: in in real time is really exciting. It's also like

473
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 4: pretty much the only thing that's relatable about her because

474
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 4: she hits the living shit out of the ball and

475
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 4: she's such a tremendous, tremendous player. But for me, it's

476
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 4: the fact that you can kind of see her the

477
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 4: wheels turning in her head a little bit that makes

478
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 4: it really dramatic and exciting because you're like, oh, is

479
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: she gonna settle? And if she does, then what kind

480
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 4: of trouble is she gonna throw across the net at

481
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 4: her opponent?

482
00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: And she it's so important for Anasimova to like stay calm,

483
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 2: to just not not be demonstrative, because when she's demonstrative

484
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: on the court, she's sort of like a little bit

485
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: not a little bit petulant. She sort of looks a

486
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: little petulant rather than just like refocusing sort of and

487
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: I know she's learning. That's it's so hard for her

488
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: not to be like that. Some players just they just emote,

489
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 2: and she's that a negative emotor when things are going badly,

490
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: but when she sort of settles in good luck. What's

491
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: interesting now is that she goes up against eager.

492
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Speaker 5: She on tech is the total question mark to me,

493
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 5: how good is this though that's going to be a match,

494
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 5: How good is this? Like Amandamova in that match, I

495
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 5: have to say. And that's not just because you go

496
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 5: last hear my first, her last match, most recent match

497
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 5: against Rebeccaa. I think for me, the.

498
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 4: Ego that shows up at these finals is one of

499
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: two flavors, and I think we have the flavor of

500
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 4: ego that's not here to win. And that's not to

501
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 4: criticize her prep. It's not right, mind. I just think

502
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 4: she's not she she has She plays well with the

503
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 4: error of invincibility behind her.

504
00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 3: Well.

505
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: She played griding and looked mad Keys was you know,

506
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: coming in here not playing? Since the US Open has

507
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: this random abbreviation to her serve motion, now, I don't

508
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: know what's going on there. She changed the serf at

509
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: this strain open and going into this train open, which

510
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: was fantastic, bringing the leg up. I love it. It helps

511
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: her hip, it helps her her her adductors and where

512
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 2: she has a lot of tend to have a lot

513
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: of injuries. And now you just think, what's going on

514
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: with this abbreviation with the serve like just taking a

515
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: racket head up quickly? Is that because she has a

516
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: shoulder issue? Is that something that she's mentally trying to

517
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: get I don't know, but I don't you know, there's

518
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: been so much iterations to this serve now and changes,

519
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 2: so you just wonder what's going on. Is it mental

520
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: or is it now physical? What's going on? Not having

521
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 2: played since the US Open, you just knew that there

522
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: was very little chance she was going to beat Eager

523
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: in the first round because Eager is like a nightmata

524
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: play in the first round because she's like one hundred

525
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: miles an hour, like from the get go, and if

526
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: you're not feeling good, it's going to be real quick.

527
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: And it was fairly comfortable two set match, and then

528
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: you know she obviously ran out of steam against Amanda

529
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: and a Simova in the third set and wasn't feeling

530
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: well because we know that from the handshake or lack thereof.

531
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: But now Eager. You know, she won a pretty comfortable

532
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 2: first set, looking really good against Rebeccin, and then Rebekkin

533
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: had just turned everything around. She started not missing. She

534
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: made so many errors in the first set of rebecu

535
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: in it she looked horrible and Eager was serving really well.

536
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 2: And then Eager served went a little bit off, and

537
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: then Rebeckan it just stopped missing, just purely, and when

538
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: she just hitting winners all over the place. And I

539
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: think the biggest issue for Eager when that starts happening,

540
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: when she starts getting hit off the court by the

541
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: likes of sabal Ankas and Rebeckin, is the ones that

542
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: hit the ball real big and amandable. He's got to

543
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: use a little bit more variety, like just even a

544
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: just a shitty slice or a or a shitty forehands,

545
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: a little junker, just a little junk every now and again.

546
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: Talking about once a point, I'm talking about once every

547
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: two games or something. Throw these players like a rebek

548
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: In and like Amanda Nsimova, like a sable Anka. You

549
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: have to throw them different spades of ball.

550
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: For sure, and to break it up.

551
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 4: And you're at the court and Ega has that, and

552
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 4: she's got one of the more sort of thoughtful and

553
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: varied toolkits, however, and the reason I don't like her

554
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: odds against Anisimova is for two reasons. Number One, Anisimova

555
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 4: has the kind of game that she doesn't like, as

556
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: we've established the big hitter paceball that she can just

557
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 4: get out of the point even before she's you know,

558
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 4: can really establish herself. And the second reason is I

559
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: think Ega plays she's one of the best front runners.

560
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 4: But I think when she gets anxious, and I think

561
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: because she's lost a match, not necessarily because she played

562
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: badly or she's not prepared or anything other than just yes,

563
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: she got out hit, especially that third set, and she

564
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: just couldn't, you know, she couldn't deal with her Rabakkina,

565
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 4: who wasn't donating errors to her. To me, this idea

566
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 4: that she's not fallible helps her. And when she's playing

567
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: it the French clay, Yes, of course it's the surface

568
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: and it's so of course the speed, but it's also

569
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 4: just the aura. She's a big aura player to me,

570
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 4: and that means that I think Nisimova, hopefully we'll go

571
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: in confident and I think for eager to win that

572
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: she's really got to figure out how to get a

573
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: little bit of that mojo back, because she plays well

574
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: when she's confident. But I don't think she has the

575
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: tools to solve Anisimova, at least if Anisimova is making

576
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: it tough fun her. So anyway, that's my very very

577
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 4: mild prediction is that Anisimova is going to come through

578
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: and get to the semis.

579
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: I think if Eager wants to win that match, she

580
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: has to vary her serve speeds. You cannot hit the

581
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: same serve speed sometimes, like I think yesterday Matti Keys

582
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: was winning more second serves that were hit than first serves. Well,

583
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: and that's because it's getting out of the hitting zone

584
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: area of Amanda and Asimova. If you give it to

585
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: her shoulder high ish, she's going to crush it every

586
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: time if you get it a little bit varied and

587
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: she's not quite short because she is such a rhythm

588
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: groundstroker right the way she hits her groundstrokes, it's so rhythmic,

589
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: so beautiful. You know, some players are a little different.

590
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: She is a very rhythmic type of player. So when

591
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: it's on, good luck, it's on. But eger is I

592
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: feel with eger when she gets pushed really hard with

593
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: a big deep ball, she tries to hit it back

594
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: as hard and with her grip, it's very difficult to

595
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: do that, particularly on the forehand side. So I would

596
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: like to see her implement in the off season some

597
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: kind of slice forehand, some kind of variation, whether it

598
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: be just to jung it back.

599
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: Just to get it in the court, just something else.

600
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Just the longer the point goes. Most of the time,

601
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: she's going to win it, right, because she's physically so

602
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: much more gift, but not just so gifted, so strong

603
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: and so fit. It's like, but if you're not in

604
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: the point, you're not going to win. And Coco Gough

605
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: is a perfect example of that. Clearly. Coco's forehand is,

606
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: you know, her weaker side, but rather than miss.

607
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: She will get it in the court and she throws

608
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: up the high loopy, a loopy which is really really effective.

609
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, when you throw up the high loopy,

610
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: you've got to be willing to play a longer point, right,

611
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: And so obviously Coco is one of the most unbelievable

612
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: athletes I've ever seen play. So she will run down

613
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: the next ball if you smack it. So Eca can

614
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: do that too. So it's like, just stay in the point,

615
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: throwing a bit of junk every now and again, throwing

616
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: a high ball, throw in a sliced forehand, throwing a

617
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 2: chip forehand, get it as long as you get it

618
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: below the net. You are making things real uncomfortable for

619
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: players like Amanda and a slover barking at Sabalanca, who

620
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: are tall, big strikers.

621
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: A bend don't want it to do.

622
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: You necessarily come into the net. So when you throw

623
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: a junk ball in there and say okay, come in

624
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: and then you pass them, you can sometimes win so

625
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: many points by just getting the ball into it a

626
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: difficult part of the court that most women don't like,

627
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: which is service line area below the net. So I

628
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: would imply that, well, it's not about me. I mean,

629
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm just giving my free wisdom out

630
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: to everybody.

631
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: There you go, wisdom for free shaking massages and free wisdom.

632
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: So it's got to come down really to Amanda, Anisimova

633
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: and Eager Shound text match in that group. And of

634
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: course now Pagoula is going to have to play against Paulini,

635
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: which we imagine she's going to win because Paolini's own

636
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: two and Sablenca golf, so Sabalanca is going to have

637
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: to It'll be interesting to see how that goes.

638
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: That much.

639
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: Onder your hats, Hold on to your hats because we

640
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: know it's always an entertaining, fun match when those two play. Yeah, okay,

641
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: so one thing we wanted. Do we have any predictions

642
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: where you've said that, do you think Sabalanc is going

643
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: to win the tournament?

644
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: I have a hard time. I think it's I think

645
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: it's going to be sabole Anco Rebeccina.

646
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: I think it might be that too, but it also

647
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: depends on who finishes first and second and who plays who.

648
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they may plan even if they play, they might

649
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Speaker 4: not play in the finance the semis.

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Speaker 2: That's right anyway. So it's all it's a lot of

651
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Speaker 2: fun what's happening over in riannd. It's hard for me

652
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Speaker 2: to watch it, though, Caitline I will say the crowds

653
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Speaker 2: have been pretty they're certainly a little better than they

654
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Speaker 2: were last year. But it does bother me in so

655
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Speaker 2: many ways when I see the crowds that are not

656
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Speaker 2: that big and it's we're not it's not going to

657
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Speaker 2: happen where. I mean, you look at Paris indoors, the

658
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Speaker 2: men playing that Paris Indoors and it was just the

659
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Speaker 2: most amazing stadium. Absolutely chock is full, as we say

660
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Speaker 2: in Australia, and to see our best players in the

661
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Speaker 2: world battling it out with not a big crowd, it

662
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Speaker 2: really bothers me because I know that they're there that.

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Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I mean the WTA has struggled with

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Speaker 4: this full stop for a decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we keep putting in places that are offering

666
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Speaker 2: a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: I just want to push back, and we've argued about

668
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Speaker 4: this before. I truly don't think the main thing is

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Speaker 4: where it is. I really don't think that's true unless

670
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Speaker 4: you want to talk about Guadalajara or someplace where, like

671
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: they are starved for more tennis than they need it.

672
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Speaker 2: So how do we get bigger crowds here?

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Speaker 4: I think the WTA, and I think it sort of

674
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Speaker 4: ties into the thing that I want to talk about,

675
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Speaker 4: which is I think the WTA has to productize tennis

676
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Speaker 4: in a much much more, much more sophisticated way than

677
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Speaker 4: they do. And I think knowing the check sizes that

678
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Speaker 4: Saudi in particular is going to write the sport of tennis.

679
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Speaker 4: There's going to be more tournaments, more exos, more events.

680
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Speaker 4: There we already saw this year obviously the six King

681
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Speaker 4: Slam repeat. It's its presence there, as did the WTA finals.

682
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Speaker 4: The next gen is there, and now they're getting an

683
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Speaker 4: ATP one thousand tournament.

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Speaker 2: They're getting a one an AIGHTTP one thousand tournament with

685
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Speaker 2: no that no one has to play right, So every

686
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Speaker 2: other masta's and WTA one thousand has mandatory that everyone

687
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Speaker 2: plays right. It's on the mandatory list, meaning that if

688
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Speaker 2: you don't play it, you get a one point and

689
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Speaker 2: that counts to your ranking for your twelve month rotation

690
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Speaker 2: of points. They don't have any guarantee like this now.

691
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Speaker 4: I mean they have three years before the first ball

692
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Speaker 4: is going to be start, but they I would be

693
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Speaker 4: surprised if they changed the rules profoundly between now and then.

694
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if the entirety of tennis has

695
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Speaker 4: a new leader by then and it's a joint effort,

696
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Speaker 4: or they you know, completely scrap the sort of failing tours.

697
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Speaker 4: Like I think, there's so many different things that could happen,

698
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Speaker 4: So I don't want to get hung up on the

699
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Speaker 4: particularities of this deal, not to say that it's not

700
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Speaker 4: stupid or we don't like it, but rather like.

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Speaker 2: But how, in my opinion, how does the ATP allow

702
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Speaker 2: the Saudis to have a ATP one thousand without mandatory

703
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Speaker 2: mandatorily making every play a play? I don't mean every

704
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Speaker 2: player will play because again.

705
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Speaker 4: You're asking, you're acting like they otherwise are totally logical.

706
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Speaker 4: How does how does anybody in tenors uperate logically? Oh

707
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Speaker 4: they don't remember when we talked about like how the

708
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: the slams could never be moved, no one could do anything,

709
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, there's a COVID, we're going to

710
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Speaker 4: cancel one, but the French is going to be in October.

711
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Speaker 4: It's like nothing matters, there's no rules, And for me,

712
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Speaker 4: that's not necessarily a good or bad thing. I think

713
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Speaker 4: you could probably make the argument that it's not great,

714
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Speaker 4: but the truth of it is, like, I think the

715
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Speaker 4: only thing that's useful to talk about is how can

716
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Speaker 4: you align to make it create a better sport?

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Speaker 3: You know?

718
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Speaker 4: And the thing that we're not going to do probably

719
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Speaker 4: on this and this show is solved for the fact

720
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Speaker 4: that the Saudis, who you know, regardless what you're feeling

721
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Speaker 4: about it is, aren't going to not be at the

722
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Speaker 4: table for buying up assets. So how do you make

723
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: those assets really valuable? And how do you make sure

724
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Speaker 4: that they get the shine that they need or maybe

725
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Speaker 4: that you know, distribute some of the play, the prize

726
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: and sort of the fan chip across entities because I

727
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: can tell you what they don't need to be doing,

728
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: which is like dumb meme content where we quiz our

729
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Speaker 4: athletes about their favorite emojis.

730
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Speaker 2: And yeah, so let's get into that a little bit.

731
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Speaker 2: You wanted to talk about the atp WTA and the

732
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Speaker 2: Grand Slams and the majors yea, all the government and

733
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Speaker 2: all the tournaments. How they don't allow influencers quote unquote

734
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Speaker 2: or tennis you know, riders or fans put up their

735
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Speaker 2: own stuff on the internet and because it's protected by

736
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Speaker 2: the networks that buy it. Let's say ESPN it you

737
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Speaker 2: were so Open or the Friends Federation at the friend

738
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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember I posted something I don't know

739
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Speaker 2: somebody maybe it was Nadal winning his one hundred French

740
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Speaker 2: Open title or whatever, and I put it on my Twitter.

741
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Speaker 2: It was a video of him winning, and then within

742
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: an hour I was like, you got to take this down.

743
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: I was like, what what do you mean? I got

744
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: to take it down. I couldn't believe it. And it's

745
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: happening all the time, where you know, they want to

746
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: protect their own piece of the pie. But it's like,

747
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: but you're not helping grow, especially when you have people

748
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Speaker 2: that have not me. I don't have millions of followers,

749
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: but like, there are players that have almost a million followers,

750
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Speaker 2: or their girlfriends have seven hundred followers, seven hundred thousand

751
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Speaker 2: followers or whatever. They can't win anything out because it's

752
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Speaker 2: like protected quote unquote, and I'm like, I thought the

753
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: whole idea was to promote the sport. The more fans

754
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: you can bring in, the more money you're gonna make.

755
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Speaker 2: Isn't that right.

756
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Speaker 4: It's sort of baffling. And I think there are two

757
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Speaker 4: pieces that I want to urge people to read. One

758
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Speaker 4: of them is late this summer, Jessica Testa, who's a

759
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Speaker 4: New York Times reporter who covers media, wrote a really

760
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Speaker 4: interesting piece and we talked about a little bit about

761
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Speaker 4: how like the USTA brought served the podcast into the

762
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: US Open, they couldn't agree on which ads and advertisements

763
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Speaker 4: were going to work with it because the WTA or

764
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: the USTA and the podcast had conflicting advertisements, and nobody

765
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: could agree on it, and it was a mess, and

766
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: nobody anticipated it because the folks at the USTA who

767
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: run all this stuff aren't necessarily up, I would argue

768
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Speaker 4: on the latest and greatest of what is happening in

769
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: the world of media, now, there's this really phenomenal substack

770
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 4: that I urge all of you to subscribe to. It's

771
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: called hardcoret and Jessica Schiffler, who's a former Vogue and

772
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Speaker 4: New York Times and Business of Fashion correspondent, has been

773
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: doing wonderful, wonderful reporting on sort of the culture aspect

774
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: of tennis. It's not terribly dissimilar from something you'd read

775
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: and racket. It's just a little bit more substacky in

776
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: the sense that it's kind of like a fired off blog.

777
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 4: But the reporting in the thought there is really excellent.

778
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Speaker 4: Along with a woman named Melissa Kenny who writes hard

779
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 4: hitting and who fun fact, is also our advice columnist.

780
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Speaker 4: So anyway, plug for smart women writing on.

781
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Speaker 2: Substack and including Andrea Pekovic of course, who's brilliant. Brilliant

782
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Speaker 2: on substack.

783
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Speaker 4: I would say what makes Jessica's piece today about the

784
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: media really interesting is we're able to see it in

785
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: real time. So not only is it the wags or

786
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 4: the content creators as athletes themselves who aren't allowed to post,

787
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Speaker 4: or somebody like Renee Stubbs who is there who's just

788
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Speaker 4: trying to share and bring behind the scenes, it is

789
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Speaker 4: also the fact that media credentials have been disappearing. The

790
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: tours themselves want to moderate all access to all of

791
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 4: the athletes, not to mention behind the scenes, but then

792
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: what they do, instead of taking something away and then

793
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Speaker 4: giving it in a bigger and better way, they give

794
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Speaker 4: us hot garbage.

795
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Speaker 3: So they'll while hire TikTok creators.

796
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Speaker 4: They'll hire folks who maybe have a lot of audience

797
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: but don't necessarily know anything about tennis to kind of

798
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: create a lot of it is through the creative agency

799
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: network and overtime, and it's a lot of it's a

800
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: lot of like your favorite athletes being interviewed about what

801
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: their favorite courses.

802
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just made that up, but it's dumb

803
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Speaker 3: and it insults our intelligence.

804
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Speaker 4: And I would say that as much as you want

805
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: to make a play for gen Z, what you're leaving

806
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: the door open to is a whole lot of armchair

807
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 4: media content that you have no creation or say in,

808
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: which is honestly like what to me has flourished you

809
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 4: around the part of tennis in spite of tennis itself. Obviously,

810
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: that's what we've been trying to do a racket for

811
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 4: a really long time. This podcast is about that, as

812
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: are a number of really great substacks as we're talking

813
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: about and other people's blog. So this is all a

814
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: way of saying, the tennis machine has noticed that it's

815
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: not doing a very good job of telling its own story,

816
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: and now they're hiring well intentioned but strategically insulting content

817
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: creators at the expense of having more journalists, media and

818
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: people who are great and primed to tell the story.

819
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: A lot of times they're athletes and those people in

820
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: their countery and they don't know. Should Morgan Riddle get

821
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: a media credential, Well, no, she's not media. Should she

822
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: get a player credential, Well she better be in a

823
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: player's box. However, is she allowed to create content? Well

824
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 4: not unless she has a media credential. And it's just

825
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 4: sort of like, okay, well, yeah, either way, you're missing

826
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Speaker 4: out on having somebody bring in fans and do it

827
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Speaker 4: in a really sophisticated way.

828
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Speaker 2: And how many followers does she have on Instagram?

829
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Speaker 3: Or a couple hundred k? Yeah?

830
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Speaker 4: I mean so again, did these tournaments themselves have in

831
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 4: some cases ten to twenty thirty thousand?

832
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Speaker 2: And then I read in that artist called it down.

833
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: If you have over a million, you're allowed to do it,

834
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: but if you have under a million, that's like what

835
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: so Taylor Fritz has like seven hundred and fifty thousand

836
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: or whatever on Instagram but not enough.

837
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: What I would sort of illustrate the point again is.

838
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Speaker 2: That it's only like seven tennis players I think that

839
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: have over.

840
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Speaker 4: And also the seven or ten, by the way, they're

841
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: going to retire and leave, and they're not going to

842
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 4: tell the same stories about the tennis world that they

843
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: do now, and so you're going to have to regrow

844
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: this same garden over and over and over again.

845
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see. Look at a perfect example, our

846
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: friend Sophie Goldschmid, who we mentioned quite often on this pod.

847
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: It runs usk and snowpo but Mikaela Schiffren is doing

848
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: her own pod, is doing her own vlog, is doing

849
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 2: all sorts of things, doing some amazing things behind the scenes,

850
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: like who doesn't want to see that from the greatest

851
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: skier of all time? And no one's shutting it down

852
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: or not, you can't show that. They're like, yeah, we

853
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 2: need to grow the sport. So my whole thing isn't

854
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: on this. I would like to see the A T

855
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: P WTA majors or all of them, every single one

856
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: of them, for one year, just say, you know what,

857
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: fuck it. Everyone can post whatever they want, right.

858
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Speaker 3: Just free for all three Let's see, let's do one year.

859
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm throwing this out to all the tennis establishment.

860
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: Let's do one year where anyone can post anything about

861
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: any tennis tournament whatever they want, as long as it's positive. Clearly,

862
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: we don't want to have you know, No, no, no, I

863
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 2: actually don't.

864
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily disagree with that. I think I think

865
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: any other sport would have embraced.

866
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: The I'm saying is I don't want someone out there

867
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: you can sit on death wembledons, right, That's what I'm saying.

868
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, No, no, disgusting stuff.

869
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: I want us have the dialogue around the sport really

870
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: improve and increase.

871
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just see, let's see what Let's see what happens,

872
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: because I guarantee you there'll be some ship that will

873
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: go viral and then all of a sudden, I'll give

874
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: you an example Wimbledon, and please invite me back to

875
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: play the legends because I but I just want to

876
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: say this, because they weren't happy. Number of years ago

877
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: we had someone from the crowd come on to the

878
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: court and play a point. It was a very famous

879
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: point with Kim Cleister's and we ended up serving to

880
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: a gentleman and we put a white skirt on him

881
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: because he was in color and it was funny, and

882
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: we put a long sleeve on him and he was

883
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: all in white and it's done out. It was so funny.

884
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: And he played one point and we put him back

885
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: in the crowd, and the club weren't super happy because

886
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: they don't want the public on the courts. Totally understandable,

887
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: like you can't just have people come and round on

888
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: the court. Da da dada. It has I'd say at

889
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: this point now in time, probably ten million views it

890
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: is I think one of the most viewed videos from

891
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: Wimbledon's history, and now they plug it. They plug it

892
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: now because they realized, holy shit, it got so many

893
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: people looking at it, and so many people probably thought, Oh,

894
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: maybe that'll happen to me one day, someone will put

895
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: me down in the crowd and I'll get on the

896
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: court at Wimbledon. I don't know. But now I promote

897
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: that video. But at the time they weren't happy about it.

898
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, like the establishment, like, open

899
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: up a little bit, be a little bit of fun,

900
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: let the let stuff be seen, and then let's see

901
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: how it goes. Now if it's a disaster, we shot

902
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: it down again because it's real easy.

903
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I shot it.

904
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: I would love for people who are smart to be

905
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 4: in charge of this, and people who understood media and

906
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: people who understood how to market. And this is why

907
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: I started talking about this because at the end of

908
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: the day, yes, you could point out the fact that

909
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: it's in Saudi Arabia, you can point about that we

910
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: have a major time difference. You could point out the

911
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 4: fact that maybe this is in a culture that embraces tennis.

912
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: And this is even before you get into the some

913
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: of the political situation there, which, by the way, yeah,

914
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 4: there's a couple pretty severe hotspots that are difficult for

915
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: the tour for a global sport to reckon with. I

916
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: will say, for me, if this were a short or

917
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: more optimized season, if the WTA did a great job

918
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: of selling the event itself, the tourism destination possibilities that

919
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 4: this has, yeah, and a lot more of the goings

920
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: on around it. I liked the photoshoot they did before it.

921
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: They used regional talent, they created some narratives around the dresses.

922
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: It was certainly better than last year when Jasmine and

923
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: Paulini didn't even get a chair to sit on. Are

924
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: tough fits. They had to pull in a like a

925
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: random thing at the last minute. But you know, I'm

926
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: not trying to criticize.

927
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: It's just more bring over that stool.

928
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: You're like, uh, we couldn't get it to match, but

929
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: she has to sit So again, I see that they're

930
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: making some effort. It's just not enough and it's not

931
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: fast enough, and it's not optimized enough. And the voices

932
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 4: that are on the outside trying to get in a

933
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 4: lot of cases applying for these media credentials trying to

934
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 4: help you guys, and then the agencies and the creators

935
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: are all going to men also instead of a lot

936
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: of really good storytellers. Is again not a new thing,

937
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 4: but it's again a massive opportunity for I was at

938
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: an investor.

939
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: I just want to come men.

940
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: It's always the men somehow benefits and these content creators

941
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: are They're like, oh, well they're women's so we won't anyway.

942
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: That's it's hard not to see this all is extremely gendered.

943
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 4: I was at an investment event last night. A friend

944
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 4: is starting Chrystalis Collective, which is about funding women in

945
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: sports startup tech, and I met with a couple of

946
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: women Sapna shout out to shop Sapnam Melissa, both investors

947
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: who put their money where their mouth is with investments.

948
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: And they were telling us that they listened to the

949
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: podcast and they like, we disagree, and I said, well,

950
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 4: it's real.

951
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: We did just disagree. You should see the facial expressions.

952
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: We're going to start filming this and putting on YouTube.

953
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: How does everyone feel about that? Let us know about

954
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: that on the socials as well, because then you get

955
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: to see Caitlin's facial expressions or mine when we do disagree,

956
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: and it is often.

957
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: It's often, but that's I mean, listen to this part

958
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: of me.

959
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm an air, she's a cancer.

960
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: It's just no chance that we're not going to disagree

961
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: on things inevitable. I just want to say to wrap

962
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: this up, you know there we got one more thing

963
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: to talk. All these women on the outside and all

964
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: these people and all these creators who are brilliant, like

965
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: Anastasia for so we did a podcast with Live before

966
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 4: the French shopmen, and I would just love for them

967
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 4: to be have there have there be their work work

968
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: embraced by the men mainstream of the sport. And until

969
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: they let people in the door, will keep knocking it

970
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: down because we're not going away.

971
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: There is nothing better than having behind the scenes look

972
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: at stuff from the players and from the people that

973
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: are there on that you know all the time. Anyway,

974
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: So yes shouted out to all of the parties, all

975
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: of them a T P W T A major's a

976
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: T P I I I T F strain open. Let's

977
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: say strain open should do it first. Because Craig tile

978
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: is usually so strong.

979
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: Open is usually the the Craig head.

980
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: Of you're listening Craig Craig.

981
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, Craig's not the problem. Craig's like innovating out the ad.

982
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: Craig problem should be.

983
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is he is the usually the start

984
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: of everything. Okay, when it comes to the led screens,

985
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: Strain Open gets it, USDA gets it. We built the built,

986
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: we built the roof before people even thought that there

987
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: was rain, and we did it really for heat. But

988
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: but yeah, anyway, so listen, we're going to throw it

989
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: out there, Strain open. Let creators put out anything they want,

990
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: Let the fans put out anything they want. Let's give

991
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: it a go. See how how many more tickets you sell.

992
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: Last thing we want to talk about before we end this,

993
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: because I know Caitlin, you've got to go because you

994
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: apparently are busy all the time where you're going to

995
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: play paddle? By the way, do we talk about my paddle?

996
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: We did a couple weeks ago.

997
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: How much I love it?

998
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: You traded a pegman most of the time I did,

999
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 4: and it worked. Didn't that work? Incorrect?

1000
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: I did make a comment today on socials. You know

1001
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: how much I love that. I'm the about Arena Sablanca

1002
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: playing Nick kiro and someone said, I'm sure.

1003
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I could sigh any louder than that.

1004
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: I want to a loud to sigh I have.

1005
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: I want to read the actual quote, and it says

1006
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: from James Hansen, the Battle of the Sexes has a

1007
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: significant place in tennis history. In Arena Sabalanca Nick Currious's version,

1008
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: it's unclear what is at stake beyond the comment modification.

1009
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, no comment, I can't read modatization. Yeah, yep, okay,

1010
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: thanks yep.

1011
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: Here we got it, keep it going.

1012
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: We got it of the name and an invitation to

1013
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: criticize women's tennis after either result. Thank you James for

1014
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: writing that. And he posts The New York Times dot

1015
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: com has the entire little at the Atlantic written by

1016
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: I like to give them credit the athletic tennis stuff.

1017
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: It just says the athletic tenni stuff.

1018
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought that piece was good and fair.

1019
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wrote, oh boy, because I had to

1020
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: make a comment on it, shouldn't And I said, yeah,

1021
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: the one fifty years ago, not this. Yes, you know,

1022
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: they're saying it's a significant place in tennis history, and

1023
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: he's kind of making fun of that, and I said, yeah,

1024
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: the one fifty years ago was important when it was

1025
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: women trying to fight for equality and women's rights in

1026
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: the United States. That's when it was important. When we

1027
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: had fifty thousand or eighty thousand plus people in the

1028
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: Metrodiamond Houston watching it, the whole country watching it. No

1029
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: one gives a fuck about what's happening with Arena Sabalanca

1030
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: and Nick Curios. I mean, the only reason they're putting

1031
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: this on is because it is literally their company Evolve,

1032
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: Who's a sponsor, Who's who's their management company? Is going

1033
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a bit of money here. Does it

1034
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: would be good? Get it on TV, sell a few tickets?

1035
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: But what is in this for women's tennis? And Nick

1036
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: curios at? I mean, unless he's hurt, like really hurt

1037
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: and can't run at all, he is going to win

1038
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: this match so easily. It's just a fact male tennis players,

1039
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: especially someone as good as Nick Curios, if he's playing

1040
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: at fifty percent, he's going to win that match. And

1041
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: it just it just doesn't make sense to me. Is

1042
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: it going to be a like? Is is Sabalanca going

1043
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: to be serious? Is it going to be like a joke?

1044
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: Is it like?

1045
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: I just it's I'm going to say a few things

1046
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 4: that are informed by an afternoon. I spent last year

1047
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: with Billy Jean King. Billy and Alana asked me to

1048
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: go up to a retirement community where Billy's mother in law,

1049
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: Alana Claus's mother had spent the last years of her life,

1050
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 4: and to speak and to interview her in front of

1051
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 4: a group of assembled seniors in their families. So cute,

1052
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 4: it was amazing, So obviously I said, yes, what time

1053
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: should I be there?

1054
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 3: I mean, what should I wear so that we could

1055
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: be matching if.

1056
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: People know Caitlin's love for Billy Jeane as all of us.

1057
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: As all of us.

1058
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: I've spoken about that before, and I won't bore you

1059
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: guys with what that means to me to be asked.

1060
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 4: But I said, yes, of course, I'll gladly be there.

1061
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: I got up on stage with her, and before I

1062
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 4: could even ask her a question, the amount of women

1063
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: who stood up and said, you changed my life because

1064
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: I felt like I could leave an abusive husband. You

1065
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: changed my life because I could get a credit card.

1066
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: You changed my life because my daughter could go to college.

1067
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: You changed my life because X, Y and Z right,

1068
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 4: And I'm one of those people, as are you, And

1069
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: you know the past is not past, it is living

1070
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: with us every day. And if anybody wants to look

1071
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: at rights that have been clawed out of selfish hands

1072
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 4: and their ability to be rolled back, look no further

1073
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 4: than the predicament that women in this country face as

1074
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: second class citizens, literally not in control of our own bodies.

1075
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: So I am tempted to make fun of this event

1076
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 4: to such an extreme degree. I am tempted to ex

1077
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 4: curate the organizers for irresponsibility, for callousness, for cynicism, for

1078
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: cash grabs. I'm tempted to do all those things because

1079
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 4: I know that this, in no way, shape or form

1080
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: will be helpful to anyone except maybe the bank accounts

1081
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 4: of a few cynical people involved. And I'm saddened by

1082
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: the irresponsibility and callousness in which this is being organized,

1083
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 4: and I can only hope it is dismissed as the stupid,

1084
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 4: trait and insignificant and meaningless event that it is destined

1085
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 4: to be, because giving it any credence whatsoever as saying

1086
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: anything about politics, gender, the people involved, or what our

1087
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 4: society should take away from it, is giving it far

1088
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: too much credit and I would go on, except I

1089
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 4: truly don't believe that anybody involved in it has the

1090
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: intellectual capacity to understand what it is that they're doing.

1091
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 3: And so all I'll say is this is a fucking shame.

1092
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: Wow. That is the most aggressive I've ever heard you,

1093
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Caitlin Thompson, that's all I have has

1094
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 2: been put on notice. You've all been put on notice.

1095
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: This is Caitlin. When her crab the shell comes up,

1096
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: we've got a long fuse and the crab claws come

1097
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: out here they are.

1098
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: Fuck all y'all. Wow, that's what I'm saying. Let's not

1099
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: in a positive note because I want to give it

1100
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: a shout out.

1101
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: So basically, you're telling me you're not a fan of it.

1102
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: I don't love it, Okay, I'm just wanted to play.

1103
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how does everyone else feel about it

1104
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: out there? Yeah?

1105
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: Anyway, I don't love it. I do want to You

1106
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: drew my attention to.

1107
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 4: A wonderful little moment of cross cultural harmony that I

1108
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: did not know I missed it. Russian player on a Blankova.

1109
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Yes, what a positive note to end on.

1110
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: Thank you for remembering we've been really are the best.

1111
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Usually I write things down so I don't forget them

1112
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: because you know, memory and all getting a little less.

1113
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I just love her so much. Blinkova is like,

1114
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: literally one of my favorite what a delete. Everyone out

1115
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: there who watches tennis would have seen her play one

1116
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: of the greatest, if not well for sure one of

1117
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: the greatest. Let's say, Borg McEnroe is probably the greatest

1118
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: tie break of all time, but the tiebreak of all

1119
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: tie breaks, which is the tie break that's broken every record.

1120
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 2: It was, of course Blinkova playing against Rebarking a couple

1121
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: of years ago at this Strain Open. I had the

1122
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: pleasure of coiling that for ESPN with Chris Fowler, and

1123
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: Chris and I are not shy in the words that

1124
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: we can use. We like to talk. We were speechless

1125
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: watching that. It was just like none stopped looking at

1126
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: each other, like what the fuck are we watching? It

1127
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: was the most umbelious. So you remember blink over from

1128
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: that mats for the people that forget who she is.

1129
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: And then she goes and wins a tournament in China,

1130
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: and god lover gets up there and starts thanking the

1131
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: fans and speaking to them in Chinese and.

1132
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: She killed it.

1133
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: She killed it.

1134
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: She's the cutest thing ever. She is Caitlin. When I

1135
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: tell you, there's not a day that goes by, no

1136
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: matter what happens. I've told this story on the pod

1137
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: where she played against Sam Stows and doubles in Cincinnati.

1138
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: Her and her partner were up like five to one

1139
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: and the third or whatever it was a five to

1140
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: one in the second set, a set in five to

1141
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: one something. They end up losing to Sam and Shwey

1142
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: and Shwae and Sam then went on to win the

1143
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: Tournament of Cincinnati and then the US Open. And after

1144
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: this match, she's on the bike next to Sam cooling down,

1145
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, I would kill myself

1146
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: if I was this team if I lost that match, Right.

1147
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: That's spositive and that's true.

1148
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: I'd like, I'm walking back to the hotel. It's going

1149
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: to take me four hours, but I'm going to get

1150
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: there anyway. She's on the bike. I walk over, Oh,

1151
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, and she looks at me. She says, oh, no,

1152
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: it's okay. They played so good.

1153
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: They played so good.

1154
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: Good luck in the finals, big smile on a face.

1155
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I would kill myself. And here's this girl,

1156
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: the smile on a face, you know, saying well done

1157
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: to everyone, good luck, I hope you win the tournament now,

1158
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: and sweet as pie, that is Anna Blinkova. She is

1159
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: never not in a good mood. She is never not

1160
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: nice to everyone around her. She's never not smiling, she's

1161
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: never not pleasant. And so when you see her do

1162
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: something like that, Anna Blinkova, I loved it. Definitely one

1163
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: of my favorite people.

1164
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 4: Don't want to teach chenellently, but uh tin Chi Lager,

1165
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 4: John Grender Neuron, Wow, Gender.

1166
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: Would you like to interpret that for everybody else?

1167
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 3: Understand it and explain anyone else?

1168
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: What about our listeners, they'll understand it too, No, they won't.

1169
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for listening. For the highs

1170
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: to lows, the woes. We told you to put on

1171
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: your helmets. I hope you did.

1172
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: We hope you did. We hope you enjoyed it. We've

1173
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: got a lot of tennis still to cover, obviously, with

1174
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: the WTO Finals, the ATP Finals coming up and next

1175
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: starting next week. Oh, we needn't even mention the fact

1176
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: that Sinner one Paris over faa kay Hill there as

1177
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: the coach again, keep asking the question, what is Darren

1178
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: k Hill going to do next year? Is he going

1179
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: to I.

1180
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 4: Know all the audience is on the edge of their

1181
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: seats about this, so I'm I'm really glad we're bringing

1182
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 4: it up yet.

1183
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: All Right, everyone, thanks for joining us this week. We

1184
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: look forward to hearing and we're hearing from us next week.

1185
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy today and we'll see you next week. Everybody,

1186
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: Bye bye,