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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, folks,
Speaker 1: it's the day we've all been waiting for. It's a
Speaker 1: two thousand, nineteen NFL draft from Nashville, Tennessee. We're going
Speaker 1: to convene this evening in Nashville and get this thing started.
Speaker 1: But until we're convening here, we're convening here, not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere because we've been with you all
Speaker 1: year and we're really excited about this. Excited to be
Speaker 1: working with my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellman. A
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Speaker 1: You've seen your fine work on all the platforms on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com, on Dallas Cowboys Television, Lindsay Draper
Speaker 1: and Lindsay will be the host this evening for our
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Southwest pre draft show. So this will be
Speaker 1: interesting for us, is that we will have we will
Speaker 1: have TV work. Yeah, we're taking over because it started
Speaker 1: out as an internet now yeah, then it was then
Speaker 1: they put us on one oh five three the fan Yes,
Speaker 1: and now we're doing TV. That's how good the draft.
Speaker 1: Next stop is the NFL network. Let's go better. What
Speaker 1: are we rails? Guys? Why I say we today? If
Speaker 1: we what are we rated on iTunes? Are we like
Speaker 1: way up there? Five sports podcasts? It's because a Brugler.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely what like I'm I'm guessing you don't know the
Speaker 1: exact date, but if you had to ballpark it like
Speaker 1: when did you watch your first twenty nineteen prospects? Uh?
Speaker 1: Right around May? Late May? Memorial Day problem? I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's um, it's almost May now, yeah, Sunday, Sunday,
Speaker 1: I'll be working on my twenty twenty month draft that'll
Speaker 1: be out Monday, Monday. No you're not, No, you're not.
Speaker 1: And that'll be it'll be more of like a watch list.
Speaker 1: And then and the Cowboys will have one. Yes, well
Speaker 1: let's go ye we think we think though, Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, just wait till having draft exactly two or
Speaker 1: someone that's it. Uh. A lot of things going on
Speaker 1: here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: have top one hundred lists, we have the Cowboys seven
Speaker 1: round mock draft that's going off today with all the writers.
Speaker 1: I hope you took the opportunity to watch the videos
Speaker 1: that we did a two round mock draft which Lindsey hosted, Dave, myself,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillis. It's very entertaining. We we had a good
Speaker 1: time doing that. And the thing about it as we
Speaker 1: get into this draft though, and Dan, I think you've
Speaker 1: said this best is that you know, as you look
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys with what we think right now, no
Speaker 1: first round pick as we speak, but there's fifty seven
Speaker 1: names that are going to have to come off that
Speaker 1: board before you pick. And we did our we did
Speaker 1: our draft show mock draft on Tuesday, and I think
Speaker 1: we all got a little bit a little bit. It
Speaker 1: was eye opening for me. There were some buyers remorse.
Speaker 1: There there was some buyers remorse, and it is to
Speaker 1: the point where it made me think about do we
Speaker 1: do we need to go up in this draft? Do
Speaker 1: you need if you're the Dallas Cowboys Stephen Jones, when
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a lot throughout the draft. Shows
Speaker 1: is that there seems like certain depth at certain positions,
Speaker 1: but the positions that we might want the quality if
Speaker 1: you pass that the first time, maybe the quality in
Speaker 1: the third and fourth round is not where you want
Speaker 1: to go. And if you could, if you could take
Speaker 1: that pick at three, a third round pick at three
Speaker 1: ninety and move up to get a player now getting
Speaker 1: it eliminate you. And I'll make this argument though that
Speaker 1: if you're a team like the Cowboys and Lindsay Dave,
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys work with the team every day.
Speaker 1: This is a team that is so cap heavy. Can
Speaker 1: they afford to trade up a pick? Can they afford
Speaker 1: to give up a pick when they need really a
Speaker 1: middle class tonight? I'm talking about Friday Friday Friday. Yeah, yeah, Oh.
Speaker 1: I was about to say yeah, but no, they would
Speaker 1: have to give a lot of picks. But there's this
Speaker 1: team is so cap heavy with offensive line potentially, with
Speaker 1: wide receiver, potentially, with quarterback, potentially, with running back, and
Speaker 1: defensive end. Everybody wants to hit on their draft, but
Speaker 1: can this team afford to go four? Can't give up
Speaker 1: a pick when they need a middle class? They need bodies.
Speaker 1: They need bodies cheap labor. Yeah, they need they need
Speaker 1: they need those guys. They need the Jalen Smith's and
Speaker 1: the Seawan Lees and the guys like that they were
Speaker 1: second round. They need the Xavier Woods. You know, they
Speaker 1: need those guys. So can this team As much as
Speaker 1: I'd like to say, go be aggressive, go make this happen,
Speaker 1: do I need to think about my team and how
Speaker 1: it structured cap wise? I get what you're saying, I do,
Speaker 1: But what does Stephen Jones keep saying about taking the
Speaker 1: next step? And is extra bodies going to help this
Speaker 1: team take the next step or is it impact player?
Speaker 1: You get it? Pick forty going to help you take
Speaker 1: the next step? And that's where I want to win.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm I'm thinking about three years
Speaker 1: from now, sure, sure, but I'm thinking about next year
Speaker 1: and I want to win. And I don't think by
Speaker 1: giving up pick ninety, I'm sacrificing my ability to win
Speaker 1: in three years. I'd love to pick up ninety, but
Speaker 1: it's ninety now. This is I have not been sitting
Speaker 1: on this show all year. So what do you guys
Speaker 1: think about? You know, the window terminology like with Tony
Speaker 1: Romo's window they built that offensive line. Is this a
Speaker 1: window right now where Dane, you're saying we want, we
Speaker 1: need to win now? Because this is the window I
Speaker 1: absolutely think they're in, like a three year window where
Speaker 1: this roster can maximize its talents. Like you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay some of these guys you already have,
Speaker 1: You've paid Tank, You're you're more than likely going to
Speaker 1: pay Dak and Amari Cooper. We'll see what happens with Byron.
Speaker 1: But what about you know you mentioned Jalen Smith, What
Speaker 1: about Jalen Smith? What about Layton vander esh Right? What
Speaker 1: about you know you're not going to have You're more
Speaker 1: than likely not going to have Lyle Collins? What do
Speaker 1: you do about Ezekiel Elliott? All that type of stuff. Wow,
Speaker 1: And but the core group of these the core group
Speaker 1: of what you need, I think will be here for
Speaker 1: the next two years, maybe three. Um, So I do
Speaker 1: look at that as a window where if this specific
Speaker 1: core of players is going to accomplish something, it probably
Speaker 1: needs to be twenty nineteen, twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we at those strike looming in twenty twenty one. Perfect
Speaker 1: that's to be the last Super Bowl champs before that
Speaker 1: league goes on strike. That's fine, you know, And and
Speaker 1: but I just again, I liked what we did the
Speaker 1: other day because I think realistically we painted a picture
Speaker 1: for what how this draft could go down for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, at two, at fifty, at fifty eight, you know,
Speaker 1: I just think all those names have to come off.
Speaker 1: And but are we comfortable allowing that to happen? Well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have patience, will Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: Wilma Clay, Well, they have enough patience to sit there
Speaker 1: for fifty seven picks. That's tough because, like or we
Speaker 1: said on Tuesday night, like it's not like it's not
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be quiet on Thursday night. And then
Speaker 1: you know, they they've got pick thirty five and they're
Speaker 1: they're right there ready to get into it. On Friday night,
Speaker 1: they're still waiting. I don't know. And you know, let's say,
Speaker 1: you know, if if Jonathan Abram and Taylor Rapp are
Speaker 1: like two of the first six names off the board,
Speaker 1: maybe Jerry's like, no, screw this, guys, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Or maybe even Steven says that. I mean, I couldn't
Speaker 1: write that off as a possibility. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be ready for both situations. You know, they'll be ready
Speaker 1: to sit there and say, Okay, we feel good that
Speaker 1: player X, Y and Z will be there at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: whether that's Joe Wan Williams, a corner from Vanderbilt, Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill defensive tackle UCF. They're gonna have a group of players.
Speaker 1: I think they feel comfortable with it they stay at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, but they're also going to have a group
Speaker 1: of players that date ideally like the trade off for
Speaker 1: two if it works out, and I think both those
Speaker 1: names makes sense. I mean, Jonathan Abram if he falls
Speaker 1: out of the first round, okay, name to watch if
Speaker 1: he's still there at forty. See that's where that's where
Speaker 1: I just kind of hearing whispers here the last couple
Speaker 1: of days. It seems like to me, when they're talking
Speaker 1: about these safeties, the names of Abram and Thornhill or
Speaker 1: predominantly the ones YEA with rap, there's some legitimate concerns
Speaker 1: with this club about raps speed. Now, if you talk
Speaker 1: to people around the league, they will also tell you
Speaker 1: that RAP around the forty time has forty time with
Speaker 1: a hip flex or problem, you know, and that was
Speaker 1: that factors into the four seven eight exactly. They are saying, No,
Speaker 1: this guy plays much faster on film. We've seen that,
Speaker 1: We've talked about this. This player seems to be it's
Speaker 1: it's one of he's one of my favorite players in
Speaker 1: this draft. But Lindsey, do they have enough patience to
Speaker 1: sit there? Do they do? Is Jerry Jones going to
Speaker 1: be willing to watch this draft go away? He's already
Speaker 1: committed his first round pick for or if if if
Speaker 1: I think if Amari Cooper was in this draft, we'd
Speaker 1: be talking that we would have a first round receiver.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper would be that guy. And he might be
Speaker 1: a guy that you could sit in the top ten,
Speaker 1: maybe eight on your board, I mean overall, four on
Speaker 1: his own board, four in his own board at that time. So, Linds,
Speaker 1: are they going to be patient enough to do this
Speaker 1: or or is it going to be one of those
Speaker 1: things where you know they're they're going to make a
Speaker 1: move because they see things happening Dane. Dane laid it
Speaker 1: out up for you there, But are they what do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Well, my question. And here with
Speaker 1: the club, we get a really good look inside the
Speaker 1: war room. We get to show you guys what goes on.
Speaker 1: But who is driving this conversation? Is it Steven Jones
Speaker 1: or is it Jerry? Because Jerry has come out and
Speaker 1: said I don't have many years left. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not even being funny, that's what he said, that's his
Speaker 1: own How much of that will drive the conversation. You
Speaker 1: have a head coach too, that's in the last year
Speaker 1: of his contract. If I if I'm here, I am
Speaker 1: banging on the table every opportunity to get players. I
Speaker 1: am not. I am not coming out of this draft.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett probably doesn't care about having a pick at
Speaker 1: nineties just because you need middle tier players. He thinks
Speaker 1: if he thinks that John exactly that that's yeah. If
Speaker 1: you and that's why I brought up the point. But
Speaker 1: you look at Jason Garrett and he and if he
Speaker 1: honestly thinks that Jonathan Abram, that's safety from Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: is his kind of guy he is, And yeah, and
Speaker 1: you talk, you talk to people in this team about
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram. He will bring a different attitude, in a
Speaker 1: different demeanor to this team. He's got the old school attitude.
Speaker 1: He's he's married, he has a child, and he performed
Speaker 1: well when he was here first visit, right, lindsay you
Speaker 1: had a chance interview. Kind of your oppression of him
Speaker 1: no frills, I mean, and I don't mean this badly,
Speaker 1: but over the six years now that I've done these
Speaker 1: interviews with these guys, less and less of them come
Speaker 1: in with a suit jacket or looking ready for the interview.
Speaker 1: This guy had on a tight turtleneck blazer, no frills,
Speaker 1: no funny business. I mean, like you said that that
Speaker 1: got points with you, did you know what? It gets
Speaker 1: points with me, Dave, because people I'll never forget t
Speaker 1: j Yelden. I saw half his boxers just sagging off,
Speaker 1: Like I don't need that on this interview day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, Dave, hears me
Speaker 1: complain about this stuff. Does it really matter you know
Speaker 1: that much? Probably not, but to me it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you it matters. Is Jason Garrett, It definitely
Speaker 1: matters to Jason. And I don't compare me to Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: David saying, I know it doesn't matter to a lot
Speaker 1: of people on the other side, you know, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: these guys have eighteen interviews in nineteen days. You're living
Speaker 1: out doubts. Agreed with me. I will say that it's
Speaker 1: it's a personal preference. It's you know, some people think
Speaker 1: it's trashy when you wear pajamas to the airport. Personally,
Speaker 1: I'm a flip flops and oh I'm to be shocked.
Speaker 1: I'm a flip flops and Jim shorts kind of guy
Speaker 1: at the airport, and that bothers some people job interview
Speaker 1: your example together. But it was a great addition, right that,
Speaker 1: you know what that it's a it's a good thing
Speaker 1: to do. It's not as important to some people as others,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not a bad chop. It's going to
Speaker 1: hurt you. Who knows. Maybe it's just his agent telling
Speaker 1: him dress in a suit based on everything their agents
Speaker 1: tell them, Like some of them, I'm like, I wish
Speaker 1: you would tell them, But no. With the case with
Speaker 1: Jonathan abral he is the type of guy that is
Speaker 1: going to take that extra step because he just has
Speaker 1: an old school altitude. He's just the old older guy
Speaker 1: in uh coming from the college ranks, and so think
Speaker 1: you'd fit perfectly in the locker room. It's just a
Speaker 1: matter of like in my final mock draft, and I'm
Speaker 1: going twenty sixty Indianapolis. Yeah, so now we're dreaming here, right,
Speaker 1: that's a dream. But if you were to fall out
Speaker 1: of the first round, then that's where things get interesting.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that though, because and and
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not naive, and your your your grades
Speaker 1: are spot on like every single year. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: this draft seem unique in this like there's so much
Speaker 1: variation what people think about these guys. Well at three positions,
Speaker 1: specifically wide receiver, corner. Somebody, not you, but somebody mocked
Speaker 1: Kim Butler to the Colts at twenty six this morning.
Speaker 1: He's not in your top one hundred. No, he's in
Speaker 1: the fourth round in my book, where do you have
Speaker 1: him sixty two overall? Which the middle. That's still a
Speaker 1: huge variation. Oh yeah, that's unbelievable. You know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson,
Speaker 1: somebody's got him at thirty three, somebody's got him at
Speaker 1: seventy five, right, Like, and it's like that locks like
Speaker 1: that for me. Sure Drew Locke is a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like you know, there's there's about twelve to
Speaker 1: thirteen guys that everybody agrees is going to go in
Speaker 1: the top twenty, and then it's just a free for
Speaker 1: all because you guys place different I guess pedigree on
Speaker 1: like a combine performance rather than like college tape. But
Speaker 1: why it's so different, I think the style is a
Speaker 1: play too, like wide receivers, Like obviously there's a huge
Speaker 1: difference between Hollywood Brown and DK Metcalf, Yes, you're talking
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like a sixty pound difference, right,
Speaker 1: so you know you factor in the different styles corners.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a Byron Murphy, who to
Speaker 1: me is my top corner, but he's small and slow
Speaker 1: compared to NFL standards, right, so not every team probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't work here exactly. Some teams will immediately disregard him.
Speaker 1: Where a guy like Greedy Williams six three has length
Speaker 1: and his fourth three speed, but and that'll work for
Speaker 1: some people, but he's one eighty five. Playstrinks an issue.
Speaker 1: Competitiveness is an issue, so it's not going to work
Speaker 1: for everybody. So I think corner safety, wide receivers, those
Speaker 1: three positions especially, it would not shock me at all
Speaker 1: the order these guys come off the board, who's still
Speaker 1: a when we reset the board after tonight. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what receivers are gonna be DK Metcalf could easily
Speaker 1: be available. I gets seem falling out of the first
Speaker 1: We're gonna be excited about the names that are there
Speaker 1: heading into Friday. I think which shuts. I don't want
Speaker 1: to convince people. I'm not trying to be naive and
Speaker 1: be like, you know, try to convince you that guy,
Speaker 1: guys with first round grades are gonna fall to fifty eight.
Speaker 1: But I think we're gonna be surprised by the way
Speaker 1: this happens. Like there every year there will be a
Speaker 1: there will be a guy Carrel Edmonds last year, Boom
Speaker 1: going first round, absolutely like no one saw that coming.
Speaker 1: When we get to fifty, we're gonna look and I
Speaker 1: just I feel like there's gonna be at least three
Speaker 1: guys where we're like, oh, okay, all right, okay, So
Speaker 1: the I and I definitely the second half of the show,
Speaker 1: the last half of the show, I want to get
Speaker 1: into some of the things you're here and Dane, I
Speaker 1: know we're kind of a one stop shop for everybody
Speaker 1: around the league. We got fans that listen to us
Speaker 1: from other teams. I want to get into a little
Speaker 1: bit of those rumors and stuff that you hear, and
Speaker 1: there's I'm fascinated by what the Raiders potentially can do.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by what, you know, what we would do,
Speaker 1: what we would do if you know, an Arizona situation,
Speaker 1: because it seems like that Arizona as we are, you know,
Speaker 1: hours away from this draft starting, they're still locked into Okay,
Speaker 1: should we take this quarterback or should we not? You know?
Speaker 1: And then? And I think that's a or are they
Speaker 1: just trying to drum up trade off? I don't think
Speaker 1: they're trying to drum up. I think there's some serious
Speaker 1: concern there. I think that this is going to be
Speaker 1: one where Michael Bidwell, the owner, is going to have
Speaker 1: to make a call on this one. Does he want
Speaker 1: to back his coach or does he want to back
Speaker 1: his general manager? Please give me a reason to believe
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray's going to Oakland. Just give me a reason.
Speaker 1: I tell you what I want it. There are enough
Speaker 1: smart people around the league that I trust who think
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray's not going on. And it's because of scouts. Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: they want Nick Bosa. And so it comes down to,
Speaker 1: like Brian was saying, Michael Bidwell, who swings up pretty
Speaker 1: heavy stick in that war room and the decision they make,
Speaker 1: do do they want to go? Do they trust Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen enough, do they believe in what he did? Or
Speaker 1: do they want to go with the young, exciting quarterback?
Speaker 1: What is going on with this schizophrenic franchise where they
Speaker 1: fired their coach after one year? Sure, they retained the
Speaker 1: GM that hired him. Then they made like the most
Speaker 1: outside the box hire ever, like purely based on like
Speaker 1: the changing philosophies and offensive football? Who is in love
Speaker 1: with this quarterback that they're talking about at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft, and then they're not going to give
Speaker 1: him what he wants, like they're not going to give
Speaker 1: him the player that gives him the best chance to succeed. Well,
Speaker 1: and you just that you just that's Cliff Kingsbury's kind
Speaker 1: of my speech to Michael Bidwell. Why like you hired me?
Speaker 1: Why did you give me my quarterback? Why did you
Speaker 1: hire him? Right, I'll tell you what and why do
Speaker 1: you I care? With this GM thought? If he if
Speaker 1: we're so convinced that the quarterback's not the guy, and
Speaker 1: we already fired the coach that he picked. Let's let's
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's take our first break, take our
Speaker 1: first break, and when we come back, let's get into
Speaker 1: that again. I'm interested in what everybody thinks about the
Speaker 1: whole Kyler Murray's situation. I think he answered a great
Speaker 1: I asked a great question day. I want to also
Speaker 1: talk about what potentially the Raiders can do there as well,
Speaker 1: and the Redskins, the Giants. There's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: that are trying to parlay some picks and go up.
Speaker 1: Who are they trying to get. We'll kind of go
Speaker 1: through Dame Burgler. He's got his mock draft out. We'll
Speaker 1: kind of go through that a little bit. So you
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Speaker 1: five three the fan. Okay, David helm and you were
Speaker 1: kind of talking about Kyler Murray. Why would you not
Speaker 1: if you're a new coach, why would you not want
Speaker 1: to try and help him all? And in that regard, Dane,
Speaker 1: you have a thought about that. Why they would The
Speaker 1: scouts are talking about we like, we like Bosa, we
Speaker 1: want to draft Bosa. I don't care what you think, coach,
Speaker 1: we want Bosa. Is that a healthy situation for Arizona
Speaker 1: going forward? The Scouts drifted Josh Rosen last year, so
Speaker 1: you think they're protecting their player? Well, part partly that
Speaker 1: and part. You know, they believe in Nick Bosa as
Speaker 1: a guy that's going to help advance them as a
Speaker 1: football team. Um, you know, and it's there's no consensus
Speaker 1: over there, and so it really is going to come
Speaker 1: down to the owner and does he feel okay punting
Speaker 1: on their first round quarterback from last year. And the
Speaker 1: other aspect of it is he's an owner, so he
Speaker 1: has his eye on the bottom line. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of twofold. They're gonna take a loss with Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get accurate value from the first round
Speaker 1: pick plus what it took to get up into the
Speaker 1: top ten last year to get him. But Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: means New Jersey sales. You know, everyone's in excitement. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: people are gonna be paying attention buttson seeds, eyeballs on
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, which Josh Rosen will not bring to the
Speaker 1: same level as a Kyler Murray. So from the ownership standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting how that's going to play out. Seventy
Speaker 1: thirty is kind of what the feedback I got, you know,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray to Nick Bosa, But I want to find
Speaker 1: out tonight, Lindsay, do you think it's healthy for this
Speaker 1: team to have to keep Rosen and also draft Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was while Dan was talking, I
Speaker 1: was just thinking, I wonder how Josh Rosen feels or
Speaker 1: would feel when that happens. I would be I don't
Speaker 1: even know happen here with Dallas and eighty nine with
Speaker 1: Steve Walsh and Trey Aigman. That was an awful situation
Speaker 1: for this organisas Yeah, I don't remember who it was,
Speaker 1: but some you know, one of the national guys who
Speaker 1: might have been Rappaport reported yesterday that, you know, the
Speaker 1: people in the building out there are like really impressed
Speaker 1: with the grace and a plum that he's handled this with.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of doing his job and not raising
Speaker 1: the stink and blah blah blah, which that's commendable. But
Speaker 1: if they actually draft Murray, I mean he might not
Speaker 1: he might not make a stink publicly, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: be like, get me out of here, Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: sitting around to sit behind this this kid. Yeah old
Speaker 1: is he ty three? Yeah? Yeah? If you if you're
Speaker 1: a situation now and you're the Oakland Raiders sitting there
Speaker 1: at four let me ask you this, though, the Jets
Speaker 1: at three, are they gonna be able to drum up business?
Speaker 1: You think they went out of there? Everybody knows, but
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, will they get the trade offer that's
Speaker 1: going to get them to move out of there? Because
Speaker 1: there's a good chance the Jets will have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to draft who a lot of people thinks the best
Speaker 1: player in the draft, and that's Quinn and William defensive
Speaker 1: line from Alabama. So is there a trade offer? And
Speaker 1: the most logical trade partner would be the Redskins because
Speaker 1: they want to go up and get Haskins and they
Speaker 1: want to get in front of the Raiders at four,
Speaker 1: who could possibly take Haskins. But the Redskins have to
Speaker 1: go from fifteen to three, So that has to include
Speaker 1: next year's one, this year's two at six. That's two
Speaker 1: forty six that they currently own their second round. And
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're trading up for Dwayne Haskins rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback next year, case Keenum, you might be picking top
Speaker 1: ten next year. So think about trading a top ten
Speaker 1: pick next year, your second rounder this year, plus the
Speaker 1: fifteenth overall pick to go up and get Haskins. It's risky.
Speaker 1: The last time they did this, RG three chosen twelve
Speaker 1: didn't quite work out. I know, there's I know the smoke.
Speaker 1: The smoke around both of the NFC East teams is
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins. Were like, no possibility
Speaker 1: that one of them goes after Murray at one. I
Speaker 1: know that's a steep price. Yeah, I'd be surprised. Could
Speaker 1: Haskins go at four? Raiders? Yeah? God, God bless that man,
Speaker 1: John Gruden, because I think anything's possible with those crazy Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like I think I actually heard
Speaker 1: that the Raiders were looking to take twenty four and
Speaker 1: twenty seven and try and go somewhere up. They've got,
Speaker 1: they got thirty five, they got I mean, they got
Speaker 1: Ammo and think about it. I'm sorry, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: it'd just be shocking if they picked at four, twenty
Speaker 1: four and twenty seven. Yeah, they're gonna be active. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Raiders, what is crazy talent? What's the snapchat? What's
Speaker 1: the snapshot on the Raiders? They're broke. Yeah, they're leaving
Speaker 1: Oakland for a new market. They're trying to market themselves
Speaker 1: in a new market in a new stadium. Sure, they
Speaker 1: got a new coach who has absolutely no faith in
Speaker 1: any of the guys on his roster. As evidence the
Speaker 1: front office or the front office, he's proven that threw
Speaker 1: all of his scouts out of the building. He traded
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher in the league and one of
Speaker 1: the top ten or so receivers in the league. There's
Speaker 1: next to no evidence that he has faith in the
Speaker 1: current quarterback. This is a great thirty for thirty. Should
Speaker 1: it shock anyone if John Gruden goes after Kyler Murray?
Speaker 1: Like what's going That shouldn't But what's gonna sell PSLs
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas more than Kyler Freakin Murray? Only or
Speaker 1: argument to that is they don't they just set at four?
Speaker 1: You don't need a trade. Set a four? Are you
Speaker 1: sure about that? Because well, if you're if you give
Speaker 1: a trade, if you can trade up to one, then
Speaker 1: Arizona really doesn't want them. Yeah, if they're willing to
Speaker 1: do a deal, then they don't want them. So set
Speaker 1: a four. That movie I hate, I would have made that,
Speaker 1: I would have SAME's. Isn't it the same logic that
Speaker 1: gets the Bears to do something crazy like trade from
Speaker 1: three to two? I mean if, okay, the Cardinals might stupid,
Speaker 1: then Cardinal it was, but Cardinals might not want him.
Speaker 1: But maybe somebody's willing to do a deal at two
Speaker 1: or three. And that's something that you gotta forget yourself. Definitely,
Speaker 1: that is a factor. It's just who the Giants, maybe
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins. If the report is true that Daniel Snyder
Speaker 1: has taken control, who knows what they I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I don't care that the Cowboys don't have a pick
Speaker 1: with want maximum chaos, the first round chaos. It's exciting regardless,
Speaker 1: but especially this year because it's some unpredictable I was
Speaker 1: told Jay Gruden wants Daniel Jones, makes sense, Bruce Allen,
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder want Dwayne Haskins, And of course in that
Speaker 1: type of battle, ownership is gonna win. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: know which one does Snyder want Haskins? Haskets Bruce Allen
Speaker 1: And that upsets me because Haskins is the better player
Speaker 1: I was hoping, Yeah, exactly. Okay, the division teams for
Speaker 1: the Cowboy fans, are you worried more about the Redskins
Speaker 1: getting the players or the Giants getting the players or
Speaker 1: getting the quarterbacks? The Redskins if you worry about them
Speaker 1: fixing their quarterback situation with Wayne Haskins, the Redskins have
Speaker 1: better talent around their potential quarterback right now than the
Speaker 1: Giants do. Yeah, even with sa Quon on the team,
Speaker 1: I think hask You think Doug Williams reminds Haskins of himself?
Speaker 1: I think Doug Williams is enough of us say to matter.
Speaker 1: But they put Doug Williams out there is the kind
Speaker 1: of the mouthpiece exactly, that's what he is. But do
Speaker 1: you think do you think they kind of see a
Speaker 1: little Doug Williams in him? Maybe? I think that he
Speaker 1: went to see Jason Campbell and Doug Williams. He went
Speaker 1: to high school with Daniel Snyder's son, and that's the
Speaker 1: thinking that they have. You know, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything that you can really point to except the fact
Speaker 1: that he upgrades a quarterback position. Lindsay you worried about
Speaker 1: this team, You worry about the Redskins and the Giants
Speaker 1: have proven enough. Giants with the two first round picks,
Speaker 1: do you worry about them? They're gonna do something stupid
Speaker 1: with them? Do you think so? Yes, they traded Odell like,
Speaker 1: what are they doing. I'm kind of back to the
Speaker 1: beginning of our conversation, like are the Cowboys going to
Speaker 1: do something big too? Because if the Cowboys came about patients, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna have the patients to stand
Speaker 1: in there? There's a difference between patients and being or
Speaker 1: maybe the better word being conservative and being aggressive. You
Speaker 1: can't let everyone else get better and you not. You.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but everyone else is picking at
Speaker 1: the top of the draft because they've been back. I
Speaker 1: mean the Giants have. The Giants have pick six and
Speaker 1: pick seventeen, one because they're terrible, and two because cot
Speaker 1: Rid of a generational player on purpose. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't have much faith, David. They have done nothing
Speaker 1: since Gettleman got there to give me, which you know
Speaker 1: I've said this a million times, like the Cowboys took
Speaker 1: Zeke at for I understand that I'm kind of talking
Speaker 1: out of both sides of my mouth, but that was
Speaker 1: really stupid. The Cowboys were trying to maximize a championship
Speaker 1: window for an aging quarterback. The Giants went out to
Speaker 1: the same thing. Now the Giants window with Elis is done.
Speaker 1: They didn't have the offensive line, right, they didn't they
Speaker 1: needed help on defense. They had a quarterback staring them
Speaker 1: right in the face. Also, the Cowboys picked fourth that year. Uh,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a shot at Winz Orgoff without doing
Speaker 1: a trade. The Giants went away from much better players.
Speaker 1: I'm who am I drawing up? Mean? It was a yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a quarterback bananza. Last year. They could have
Speaker 1: had Darnald. Yeah, they should have taken Darnold. They should
Speaker 1: have I understand how good say quan Is is a
Speaker 1: great player. They made the wrong choice. I'm oh, okay,
Speaker 1: they couldn't have had Baker, which no, that's the only
Speaker 1: player that one. In a minute, can I ask you,
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about the Raiders, can you can
Speaker 1: you shed some light on something you and I had
Speaker 1: a discussion with last night about agents. Yeah, listen to
Speaker 1: this if you're a fan of If you're a Raiders fan,
Speaker 1: maybe out there listening, or you're just a fan of
Speaker 1: of intrigue. Dan came up with an interesting theory last
Speaker 1: night when he was putting together his mock draft about
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and it happens to be with players involved
Speaker 1: and like with a fourth pick, stuff like this shouldn't matter,
Speaker 1: shouldn't but it does. It does. Especially we're talking about
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Davis family, John Gruden, but they
Speaker 1: hold grudge. It's this group exactly. It's bad blood and
Speaker 1: that bad blood will boil when it comes to Joel Siegel,
Speaker 1: who is the agent for Khalil Mack Anamory Cooper both
Speaker 1: left the Raiders on you know, bad terms terms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the agent for at all Oliver and Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: Joel Siegel. M How does that play a part? And
Speaker 1: like I said, the fourth overall pick, it should not matter.
Speaker 1: You should draft the best player and you figure that
Speaker 1: out along the way. But yeah, five years to you
Speaker 1: really have to worry about that anyway exactly. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, NFL teams, especially this team with the Raiders,
Speaker 1: with the Davis family, with John Gruden, that will matter
Speaker 1: to them. Dallas Cowboys might not be that far off.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what David Canner's future relationships with
Speaker 1: this team look like. After the DeMarcus Lawrence go. I
Speaker 1: think that's fascinating that it is that you would you
Speaker 1: would you would just totally walk away from two because
Speaker 1: of an agent, and the Raiders will hold a grudge.
Speaker 1: They will hold a grudge. That goes even further into
Speaker 1: my thought process. I was gonna, Okay, they could go
Speaker 1: after Kyler. They could do like they could make the
Speaker 1: most boring which I hate to say this about my guy,
Speaker 1: Like they could make a boring pick and just take
Speaker 1: like a Devin White. So I had him in my
Speaker 1: final Monk. I still can't believe that an off ball
Speaker 1: linebacker might go top five in this draft. But like,
Speaker 1: they could do that too. They could take t J. Hawkinson.
Speaker 1: Devin White is so far up Gruden and mayox Alley.
Speaker 1: It's not exactly he's like Taylor made for what they want.
Speaker 1: The attitude, Yeah, absolutely, And I mean he doesn't help
Speaker 1: the pass rush as a pass rusher would, but he's
Speaker 1: the best blitzing linebacker in this class. So I mean
Speaker 1: he gives you a little bit of juice. Fantastic player.
Speaker 1: I think you should be able to find better value
Speaker 1: at fourth overall, agree anyway, But yeah, the agent angle,
Speaker 1: there is certainly another fascinating wrinkled single. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: two the ones that they let go. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: trust me, that group remembers what happened. The North remembers
Speaker 1: you don't watch Game of Thrones. I don't watch I know,
Speaker 1: yeah I picked the Wow, I couldn't have picked three
Speaker 1: worst people to make that. We all have kids, believe
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ken, appreciate you, Dane. Is some of the
Speaker 1: other room that you might be hearing about some of
Speaker 1: these teams? We talked a little bit about Washington, We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the Giants. Is there anybody
Speaker 1: else that you're kind of hearing some whispers? Uh? We
Speaker 1: still talk about rumors on our own team in the
Speaker 1: last segment. Yeah, you've got one lens. You sent it
Speaker 1: to me during the show. Oh, that's a different one.
Speaker 1: I was talking about the one we talked about before
Speaker 1: the show about Taco. Who's gonna let you guys talk
Speaker 1: about that? Well, we can talk about that a little
Speaker 1: bit later later. Let's do it. Let's do I want
Speaker 1: to talk about a couple other things with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We can do that in the third set. Yeah, absolutely, Well,
Speaker 1: but tell me there was some there's some some I'm
Speaker 1: hearing some whispers about stuff going on and it's almost
Speaker 1: said San Diego in Los Angeles with the Chargers, is
Speaker 1: there some things going on there with their quarterback situations?
Speaker 1: There's been some rumors about possibly the Chargers working on
Speaker 1: a deal for Rosen if Kyler Murray is the first pick, Um,
Speaker 1: and that's where you know they're again they're not getting
Speaker 1: the value. And so could the Chargers the Cardinals on
Speaker 1: the first pick in the second round swap picks with
Speaker 1: the late first round pick for the Chargers with at
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Yeah, the the Los Angeles Charger at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty eight, So swap twenty eight and thirty three and
Speaker 1: then swap quarterbacks Josh Rosen, Tyrod Taylor. That's something that's
Speaker 1: been out there. UM hurt that multiple places. Um. Speaking
Speaker 1: with the NFC East teams, I was told Hollywood Brown,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Oklahoma, is not getting past twenty
Speaker 1: five and the Eagles so that reminds them of Jackson Sean. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So you know, we just we talked about the Redskins,
Speaker 1: the Giants, what they're gonna do with, you know, the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation in the top half of the first round,
Speaker 1: bottom half of the first round, where the Eagles were
Speaker 1: picking two guys to watch for Hollywood Brown, yes, and
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons and Jeffrey Simmons is one of the both
Speaker 1: those players. If I'm if I'm a fan of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: those are two players I do not want to see
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Take the tiny, take the tiny, fast receiver
Speaker 1: or whatever. You just don't want Jeffrey Simmons, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle to show up in Philadelphia. I don't want Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Simmons playing next to Fletcher Cox. No, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want that. See. I kind of thought, I kind
Speaker 1: of thought that that that's where Jeffrey people are all saying.
Speaker 1: You know, they kept asking, oh, does he get the
Speaker 1: fifty eighths and no, stop, no, no, just stop. Another
Speaker 1: team to look forward Jeffer Simmons. The Miami Dolphins. We
Speaker 1: all assume that they're kind of in tank mode for
Speaker 1: next year. It's the better first round tank pick than
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons. Great point, who's gonna red shirt this year,
Speaker 1: is gonna give you, hopefully to be a top five
Speaker 1: player in this draft, and he's ready to go next year.
Speaker 1: He's the perfect tank pick and if the Dolphins are able,
Speaker 1: in my mind tract, I have him traded him back
Speaker 1: twice with the Giants and the Texans taking Jeffrey Simmons
Speaker 1: at twenty three. That's an ideal scenario for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: aside from the fact that I love they're gonna be great,
Speaker 1: They're gonna be brutal to watch for sixteen weeks next
Speaker 1: year and the Cowboys playing what week three Dolphins? Yeah,
Speaker 1: bring that tank mode in. Yeah, I said it. But
Speaker 1: the cow Boys should win their first three games. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't at me, Okay, um, but they're in a fantastic position,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be in the top five in a
Speaker 1: year where there will be three really badass quarterbacks on
Speaker 1: the board, so or at least two too, definitely too.
Speaker 1: I don't he's talk about it. From is a third
Speaker 1: from there's in there another one too? Favorite college player
Speaker 1: man that Ta and Herbert are the two. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: but I think froms as good as people think. But
Speaker 1: we'll save that save that first. Sorry sorry, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: that's next year. Yeah, how about this though, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got that rumors, we got rumors, you know, Lindsay prop
Speaker 1: and interesting point, some information came out yesterday in our
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Speaker 1: with that, We're back here in the sw conversation here
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Speaker 1: and get through some cowboy rumors. Uh, maybe some league rumors.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about. I got some medical information
Speaker 1: too on some of these cats that you might if
Speaker 1: some guys start slide, and maybe you'll kind of go oh, now,
Speaker 1: I know kind of a thing. So, Lenz, you brought
Speaker 1: up earlier than the Taco. It was tweeted out yesterday
Speaker 1: by Mike Fisher of one oh five three The Fan
Speaker 1: about a potential the Cowboys trying to shop Taco around.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts about that or what direction you'd like to go. Well,
Speaker 1: the reason I brought it up is because last night,
Speaker 1: after we streamed our mock draft, I went on to
Speaker 1: check it out, see how it went, how it looked,
Speaker 1: and every comment was about Taco from a fan. So
Speaker 1: clearly this is something they want to talk about and
Speaker 1: hear about. Brian. I know your stance is he's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I don't think he is going anywhere. I
Speaker 1: don't just talk that. That's I think this is agent
Speaker 1: drumming up business, trying to be poor Taco. You know,
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. Yeah, well shouldn't they Okay, Taco
Speaker 1: needs Taco needs to concentrate. Like I said earlier in
Speaker 1: pre show about he needs to become Byron Jones. He
Speaker 1: needs to go out there, play down every down, be reliable,
Speaker 1: be dependable, you know, play hard and try and get
Speaker 1: that fifth year option. That's what he needs to do.
Speaker 1: You know, these guys have proven it if you play
Speaker 1: well enough, they'll pay you to play. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where I think that needs to be Taco's focus
Speaker 1: instead of trying to drum up false business. If you
Speaker 1: want to trade somebody, We've said this a bunt. You
Speaker 1: want to trade somebody, get a value, trade little Collins, Yeah,
Speaker 1: trade somebody like that. Did you get a second third
Speaker 1: round pick for maybe even I mean if we're even even,
Speaker 1: if you entertain it assibility, Yeah, you're not getting value.
Speaker 1: You getting valued on from Taco. And people are saying,
Speaker 1: can we move up? Oh, ship Taco to Miami and
Speaker 1: you'll move up ten spots. Well, but Miami just gave
Speaker 1: you Robert Quinn. Do you think they're gonna take Taco?
Speaker 1: And that's trying to tank. It's what we were talking
Speaker 1: about earlier. It's the conversation that we have every year.
Speaker 1: And you know, there was a guy in our mentions
Speaker 1: this morning who wanted a third round pick for Taco,
Speaker 1: And it's like, why are you trying to deal with
Speaker 1: this guy? If he's worth a third round pick? Why
Speaker 1: was he a healthy scratch multiple times? If he's working
Speaker 1: round pick? Like other teams pay attention to this team,
Speaker 1: Like every team in the league has a cheat sheet
Speaker 1: on what's going on with this team and where they are.
Speaker 1: What's the best offer think you'd get for Taco late
Speaker 1: day three? As s Yeah, that's fifth, fifth would be amazing.
Speaker 1: He swapped players for our guy last year with the Raiders, right,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle you got hot Ward and you got
Speaker 1: you got a sixth for Tavon. Yeah, here's a question.
Speaker 1: Who was available that we could have taken instead of Taco?
Speaker 1: Maybe should have taken instead of Taco. Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 1: This is where Will McClay and this is where I
Speaker 1: was wrong by the way I thought that Will was
Speaker 1: pushing the coaches in a way to take to take
Speaker 1: what and I was I was told I am absolutely
Speaker 1: dead wrong about that. Will was Will guy right? Will
Speaker 1: Will admitted it. Will said no, no, he goes. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you trying to be nice but I didn't think
Speaker 1: that Watt could be an every down player like he
Speaker 1: is hand down guy. And so excuse me, Linz, but
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify that I thought it was
Speaker 1: Will was saying, hey, I want what and no, that's
Speaker 1: not the case. He was. He was on board with
Speaker 1: pushing Taco to the staff. So that's that's where we're.
Speaker 1: Taco a highly talented individual who has been marred by
Speaker 1: this drama and Twitter or is he not the player
Speaker 1: that they thought he was? I think he's just not
Speaker 1: the some of his parts. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: individual traits you like about him, but he's not able
Speaker 1: to put it together into one cohesive football player that
Speaker 1: equals production, you know. And so and that's what you
Speaker 1: do as a scout. You you evaluate traits because you
Speaker 1: know that's that's the job of a scout, but you
Speaker 1: also have evaluate good football players. And Taco just wasn't
Speaker 1: a great football player in college. That's why I think
Speaker 1: most of us but we had a second round and
Speaker 1: you know, he's just it's he's the same guy that
Speaker 1: they drafted and he hasn't shown that development and that's
Speaker 1: he needs to improve. Yeah, he does in part and
Speaker 1: that's not it's not It shouldn't be all on you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys front office for making the pits. Some of
Speaker 1: it you to put on the player for not realizing
Speaker 1: his opportunity and taking advantage of it. Absolutely, and the
Speaker 1: stuff I mean, simply put the stuff you see on
Speaker 1: social media doesn't make you feel a ton of confidence,
Speaker 1: you know. And it seems I don't want to put
Speaker 1: words in his mouth. It certainly seems like he's more
Speaker 1: worried about what people are saying about him than anything else.
Speaker 1: There's like he is very, very sensitive about what is
Speaker 1: said about him. And you know, he needs to he
Speaker 1: needs to buck up. And like I said with Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: you know which go get you that fifth year option?
Speaker 1: You know? And and look, I mean yeah t J.
Speaker 1: Watt went two picks after That's that hurts. But you
Speaker 1: can say that about a billion picks you can point being.
Speaker 1: But I want to admit I was wrong. I was wrong,
Speaker 1: and I was wrong about my assessment of the situation
Speaker 1: and what I believed was the situation. Even if Will
Speaker 1: Smith or Will Smith, even if Will McClay stood on
Speaker 1: the table and was like, Taco is the guy. You
Speaker 1: know what You're not going to bat a thousand in
Speaker 1: this industry, just not. And going back to twenty ten,
Speaker 1: what's that nine picks, Yeah, seven of them have been
Speaker 1: all prost. I mean, I think that's why Will McClay
Speaker 1: stepped up and said, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're not
Speaker 1: going to bat a thousand, And you can kill him
Speaker 1: for draft and Tacco if you want to. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: might have been a missed pick. It's it is what
Speaker 1: it is. It's fascinating looking back at the pass rushers,
Speaker 1: the defensive ends in that draft, aside from Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: who would number one, Yeah, win number one. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be the highest pay defensive player here in a few years.
Speaker 1: I'm betting after Miles Garrett, Solomon Thomas with looking great.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We're gonna hear his name floated
Speaker 1: out of trade rumors. Uh, Derek Burnette's been hurt. Jonathan Allen,
Speaker 1: he's been okay in Washington, but hasn't been a game changer.
Speaker 1: Kicked the Cowboys, but a couple of times those two
Speaker 1: Alabama guys inside have been But Charles Harris with the
Speaker 1: Dolphins as it was a buss tack McKinley from UCLA
Speaker 1: hasn't lived up in Atlanta, so yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I mean just that defensive end class was really not
Speaker 1: what we expected at this point, and we know it
Speaker 1: takes a while for that position, but still he's not
Speaker 1: helping him well that is, and that I think that's
Speaker 1: the debate, which I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I tend to believe they won't do anything. But if
Speaker 1: you're trading Taco, it's just because you're sick of his
Speaker 1: attitude and you don't want him here, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: we'll call it a loss, we'll get a you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get our late fifth round pick or sixth
Speaker 1: round pick, and we'll just get him out of our hair. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the other side of that is he's in he's
Speaker 1: heading into year three. You know, Byron didn't make a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl till his fourth year, right, and you know
Speaker 1: you bank on him figuring it out at some point.
Speaker 1: So those are your two options. Well, you would think though,
Speaker 1: with Rod Marinelli and Leon Letting, those guys how excited
Speaker 1: they are, and you know, on heck on, on Friday night,
Speaker 1: we might hear another defensive ends name called you know,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where this is at right now. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bit because we're talking about safety.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about safety because okay, whats what
Speaker 1: what's cab On Frasier done? You know, I mean there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a and I mean Cavon was
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick. But I'm just saying, though, if
Speaker 1: if in fact that you had seen some growth, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that Cavon Frazier steps and it plays that down safety. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm No. Fine, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to say, if you'm just if you were a little
Speaker 1: bit better, I hesitate. I just hesitate to compare pick
Speaker 1: twenty eight to pick to whatever, pick fifty eight. No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Taco. Sorry Taco. Okay, I'll see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Uh, Okay. The next thing I want to
Speaker 1: get Dave, you were talking about you brought up Solomon Thomas.
Speaker 1: Well Lindsay brought him up, and yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a similar it's the same story we just said with Tacco,
Speaker 1: which I don't know anything about Solomon Thomas's attitude and
Speaker 1: he I remember he had a high, you know, reputation
Speaker 1: grade coming out that draft, but he has not lit
Speaker 1: the world on fire in San Francisco. They if Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray goes number one, Nick Bosa is gonna be on
Speaker 1: that line with Armstead and partner for board now right.
Speaker 1: So it's totally makes sense why there are rumors about
Speaker 1: them shopping him, which I want to know. Cowboys could
Speaker 1: use the defensive lineman we're talking about maybe drafting Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill or Jalen Ferguson. Would you do that deal? And
Speaker 1: what would you pay for him? The former number three
Speaker 1: overall pick in the draft? You got the two, you
Speaker 1: got the two fours. It's hard because I honestly have
Speaker 1: not watched enough of Salomon Thomas the last two years
Speaker 1: to give a great answer. But we really liked the
Speaker 1: player coming out. I sure did as a base end,
Speaker 1: a guy that can reduce inside. Has it been because
Speaker 1: of coaching change there? Or I mean, yeah, that's I
Speaker 1: mean more than anything. Is it is it something that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is it worth it to you there at at three ninety?
Speaker 1: Is it worth it to you at four? Was it
Speaker 1: one twenty seven? That's I want? I mean, we we
Speaker 1: just sat here and said, excuse me, a four one
Speaker 1: twenty eight I have a hard time believing you're getting
Speaker 1: a better player in the late fourth round than Solomon Thomas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing. Yeah, but it just
Speaker 1: makes me wonder, Sorry, if you're gonna take a three
Speaker 1: technique already, right, or maybe a end? But do we
Speaker 1: remember what they viewed him as a three technique or
Speaker 1: an end? I think they looked him as a tackle.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't bump into Rod Marinelli this morning. That
Speaker 1: makes me mad because I used to ask him questions
Speaker 1: about it. He'll be around for the rest of the day, probably,
Speaker 1: But I mean I wanted I wanted to. I wanted
Speaker 1: to know, if you know, well, what makes me I mean,
Speaker 1: on their stack, I'm sure he was probably a top
Speaker 1: ten player probably, Oh yeah, I'm sure that. But where,
Speaker 1: you know where, how did they view him and how
Speaker 1: do they view okay, anywhere? How about anywhere? How about anywhere?
Speaker 1: If they you know, well, I mean, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: but you know, we could say the same thing about TJ. Way.
Speaker 1: I mean they view I think they viewed him as
Speaker 1: a specific role, either a base end who could reduce
Speaker 1: inside or as a straight three technique. And so it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of what they thought of him pre draft,
Speaker 1: and then, like they've said, the last two years where
Speaker 1: he was probably at a position in that scheme. You know,
Speaker 1: do they still believe in him the way they did
Speaker 1: two years ago and makes him Francisco would take that
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. That's what I wonder because we're sitting
Speaker 1: here saying, you know, Taco's pick one twenty eight, Solomon
Speaker 1: Thomas's pick one three, Right, so we're sitting here saying,
Speaker 1: maybe you can get a sixth for Taco. What does
Speaker 1: San Francisco think about him? What do they want for him?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why it's trying to be realistic and
Speaker 1: offer ninety or ninety sounds fair, but maybe you could
Speaker 1: get him for even cheaper. Like it's staggering how little
Speaker 1: you can get players for it. It It just depends on
Speaker 1: who else you're bidding with, you know what other offers,
Speaker 1: unless unless you're dealing with Arizona, who really doesn't want
Speaker 1: to give up their quarterback yet, fifty eight sounds really rich.
Speaker 1: I mean, no way, I can't do it. I would
Speaker 1: take Solomon Thomas over what might be there for you
Speaker 1: at nineties, especially if we're trying talking about the line
Speaker 1: we're talking about taking Hill at fifty eight. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't feel good about it the other night, right, I
Speaker 1: think that in order for it to happen, I would
Speaker 1: think they'd have to do it for ninety. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're late for Yeah, it would be in
Speaker 1: huff but I don't know. I just think about it.
Speaker 1: In Philadelphia we traded for Hugh Douglas second round pick
Speaker 1: for Hugh Douglas fourteenth. Overall, I believe with the Jets
Speaker 1: with parcels. I just I've been around long enough that
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't know if Triston Hill will
Speaker 1: be the pick, but they're great on Tristan Hill is outstanding,
Speaker 1: and they're just like we feel great and like, you know,
Speaker 1: if they were to draft him at fifty eight, then
Speaker 1: they wouldn't even want Salomon Thomas. I bet you if
Speaker 1: they put Salmon Thomas evaluation tape, don't you think Lenz
Speaker 1: Salomon Thomas and Tristan Hill, if it has to be,
Speaker 1: they'd have to say they'd have a better grade on
Speaker 1: Tristan on Salomon Thomas, you would think, But then you know, maybe,
Speaker 1: but you're now three years removed, right, two years removed?
Speaker 1: Maybe you throw on his forty nine Yer tape and
Speaker 1: you're just not wowed. Yeah, I don't know. That does
Speaker 1: raise one more thing I wanted to bring up. We're
Speaker 1: running out of time, but something you know, I want
Speaker 1: to get in some medical information. Well just real quick.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we talked about trading up when we
Speaker 1: did that mock draft. Did we not pay enough credence
Speaker 1: to the idea of trading away from pick fifty eight?
Speaker 1: And the reason I don't really think so because like,
Speaker 1: and I'm I think they'll have a hard time sitting
Speaker 1: there for fifty seven picks and think about going backwards
Speaker 1: if they're out, yeah, wiped out or like they're okay,
Speaker 1: if they're there. If they're wiped out, then who's coming up?
Speaker 1: Who's there? I'm not trying to be a jerk, No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if if if you're wiped out, who
Speaker 1: is somebody interested in? That's what gives me pause is
Speaker 1: and you like this is that like is this gonna
Speaker 1: sound crazy? Is that Will Greer? Sure? Is that Finley
Speaker 1: could be? Is it one of those guys could be?
Speaker 1: You know? And is it worth it? Is it worth
Speaker 1: moving back? I mean? What are you getting? Yeah? Because
Speaker 1: someone's likely moving up from the third yeah, second, Yeah,
Speaker 1: gonna give you what a fourth and a sixth? You
Speaker 1: know you got colts behind you. Maybe that's where the
Speaker 1: Chargers are looking for that quarterback. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you're almost better unless someone blows you away with you know,
Speaker 1: a future three. I don't know. I'm staying there fifty
Speaker 1: eight and picking and not risking trading back and then
Speaker 1: another getting wiped out again from this the next tier
Speaker 1: of players whoever that, Yeah, I wouldn't want to trade
Speaker 1: down more than six or seven spots, and that's not
Speaker 1: going to fetch you this crazy well, and this might
Speaker 1: be your this might be your avenue because think about this.
Speaker 1: If you look at the picks behind the Cowboys, Kansas
Speaker 1: City's at I believe Kansas Cy' is at two sixty one.
Speaker 1: This would be their first pick of the draft because
Speaker 1: they don't have a one. New Orleans is at two
Speaker 1: sixty two. This would be their first pick of the draft.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, They're gonna come up and get
Speaker 1: debot from us, So give us. That's the same. You've
Speaker 1: got some teams that might be willing to come up
Speaker 1: and give you something, and it's only going down three spots,
Speaker 1: four spots. Okay, is it worth a fifth round pick? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'd move three spots for a fifth. It
Speaker 1: just depends who's there, I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: if a guy I love is there. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't think this team will draft Deebo Samuel correct
Speaker 1: if the Saints are hell bent that Debo is going
Speaker 1: to be their slot guy to pair with Mike Thomas
Speaker 1: for the next five years, come up, give me a fifth.
Speaker 1: We don't have a fifth. I'll do that, and then
Speaker 1: you know one of the guys you like will stay
Speaker 1: there six. I'm sorry you don't on the sick well
Speaker 1: even better, so you have two fits, two fours, two five.
Speaker 1: If there's somebody at fifty eight that you just don't
Speaker 1: want to lose, I'm not trading right, it just I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a scenario where you're not in love with
Speaker 1: any and you're like, well, sure, Tristan Hill will still
Speaker 1: be there at sixty one, and we can add an
Speaker 1: extra pick. Yeah, gave the teams behind you at fifty
Speaker 1: nine is the Colts sixty the Chargers. Chargers are always
Speaker 1: a team that kind of takes a guy away from me.
Speaker 1: Don't they You just make that up. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no teams no no. I the charges older, the criminal
Speaker 1: teams they took, they took. It took my safety that
Speaker 1: I wanted from Florida State. Remember Derwin. Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would, They would have drafted Layton anyway. That's I
Speaker 1: made my piece with the Darwin James thing when I
Speaker 1: realized that Layton was going to be the pick no
Speaker 1: matter who was there, which hard to blame him. Dude
Speaker 1: went through the Pro Bowl real quick. If I could
Speaker 1: go through some medical information real quick. Uh, you talked
Speaker 1: about Hollywood Brown that Liz Frank surgery. Doctor Anderson did
Speaker 1: the surgery there and he's one of the top three
Speaker 1: in the country. I've been told. So that's all doing well.
Speaker 1: These are all from the rechecks. Jalen heard had a
Speaker 1: meniscus scope. There's not a concern there, so it just
Speaker 1: needs a little bit more time to work out to
Speaker 1: kind of help that need. Montes sweat, Okay, we heard
Speaker 1: a lot about that. It's a condition called the acronym
Speaker 1: is ho c M. Look it up. It's something to
Speaker 1: do with a measurement of a heart. And so again,
Speaker 1: if you want to know a little bit more about
Speaker 1: Smart Montes sweat the condition again is h O c M.
Speaker 1: Check it out. You'll learn a lot about that. Christian
Speaker 1: Miller had some problems with his hip, more hip than hamstring.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that the Cowboys brought in. Your guy
Speaker 1: to vay the the safety Jolanni TVI from Hawaii had
Speaker 1: a shoulder to grade three sprain. They fixed it. There's
Speaker 1: no concern. They're very similar what Troy Aitman had in
Speaker 1: two and nineteen ninety, so keep an eye on that.
Speaker 1: We talked about the hip flexer condition with Taylor Rapp Thompson,
Speaker 1: the safety from from UH Alabama. There's there's there's a
Speaker 1: little concerns. There's starting to be some whispers about maybe
Speaker 1: a knee problem. There more a knee problem than the risk.
Speaker 1: The right risk is what we talked about the process,
Speaker 1: because that's that's what's been hinting that there was something
Speaker 1: else to hold the teams. The teams. I talked to
Speaker 1: a bunch of teams. It said, hey, maybe a knee
Speaker 1: problem there, so Thompson, So if you see some guys
Speaker 1: start sliding. We've talked about about Gary with the laborum
Speaker 1: that needs to be fixed. This is a labor um
Speaker 1: they'll likely wear out. That's gonna be interesting tonight. Where
Speaker 1: does Rashaan gary fall absolutely bless you over there, lens
Speaker 1: uh Madcalf. I didn't know this about dk Madcalf. He
Speaker 1: had a fused neck. Yeah, that's why, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a it's a lower it's a lower fusion,
Speaker 1: which is a better fusion. So he should be okay there. Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked about Dexter Lawrence had something I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: He had a Jones fracture in his foot and then
Speaker 1: he's got ankle issues. He got drop foot. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of similar role he got. Similar So Dexter Lawrence,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from Clemson. It sounds like that would
Speaker 1: push you down the board. But he's okay. But you say,
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's come back. It's a nerve. They were
Speaker 1: fixing his ankle and they pinched off his nerve and
Speaker 1: it gave him drop foot. It was a sophomore year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he came back his junior year and played at
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent, but yeah, he's worked his way back.
Speaker 1: So that's another one. Dexter Lawrence is gonna be fascinating
Speaker 1: and see where he falls. And then also Emmanuel Hall
Speaker 1: played all season with the growing injury another Cowboys. You
Speaker 1: have to manage him though. But you were talking about
Speaker 1: a track mentality. I talked to some teams. I kind
Speaker 1: of brought that up. The team said, no, they didn't
Speaker 1: get the feeling that he had that track mentality that
Speaker 1: he was willing to do. So we'll see. There's some
Speaker 1: player people at Missouri they say that. Okay, Well, there's
Speaker 1: the trainers I talked to are the same maybe, but
Speaker 1: Missouri knows the kid. They lived with him. And then
Speaker 1: the last one I want to talk about before we
Speaker 1: get out of here is Polite, the defensive end from Florida.
Speaker 1: There's some shoulder concerns there as else. Yeah, it might
Speaker 1: need some it might be some potential problems there. So
Speaker 1: those are some names of guys that you need to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. If you see them start to slide,
Speaker 1: you kind of have an idea why that is good info. Okay,
Speaker 1: appreciate everybody out there. We're gonna do this tonight at
Speaker 1: six forty five on all our platforms. Next time you
Speaker 1: hear that music, it'll be time that's when we'll have
Speaker 1: the draft, but at six o'clock Lindsay Draper will host.
Speaker 1: If you're here locally at Fox Sports Southwest, she will
Speaker 1: host it, but we'll have it on Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 1: We'll do a little bit of a preview. I'll be
Speaker 1: dressed up ready to go. So again from my Scotty
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Speaker 1: Brian Bross. We'll see you this evening from the Star
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