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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody, I'm Dan Horden.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth podcast. The Just the

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<v Speaker 2>two of Us addition featuring a very special conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>rookie wide receiver Jermaine Burton and his mentor, former Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>pro bowler TJ. Hushman Zada. The Bengals Booth Podcast is

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<v Speaker 2>For several years now, the NFL has had former players

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<v Speaker 2>announce picks during the NFL Draft in an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>connect the game's legends with the next generation of stars.

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<v Speaker 2>This year, Barry Sanders, Warren Moon, and Jim Plunkett were

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<v Speaker 2>among the all time greats on the stage, and when

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals were on the clock in the third round,

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<v Speaker 2>former Pro Bowl wide receiver TJ. Hushman Zada stepped to

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<v Speaker 2>the mic.

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<v Speaker 3>So this pick means This pick means something to me

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<v Speaker 3>as I've been training this kid for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's going to be drafted by the Bingles.

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<v Speaker 1>So with the eightieth pig in a twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>NFL draft, the Cincinnati Bingles select Jermaine Burton, wide receiver Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>That night, it struck me as a remarkable coincidence that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals selected a player that Hushman Zada had been

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<v Speaker 2>working with for four years, but it wasn't really a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the draft, TJ was among several people that the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals reached out to to learn more about Burton. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>questions Jermaine's talent, but there were some questions about his

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<v Speaker 2>Adamude and Hushman's out to help convince the Bengals that

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<v Speaker 2>Burton will thrive in Cincinnati. I think you'll feel the

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<v Speaker 2>same way after listening to the conversation that I had

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<v Speaker 2>with the two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>DJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go back to draft night. You're waiting in the

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<v Speaker 2>wings to announce the Bengals third round pick. Somebody hands

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<v Speaker 2>you a card and you see the name Jermaine Burton,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy you've worked with for the last four years.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>I was shot, man, I was shot because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>expect any of that to happen. And so when I

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<v Speaker 3>saw the name, I look at the car and I'm like, wait, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>ain't no way. And so I was backstage and I

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<v Speaker 3>actually got video of it, me and Me and May

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<v Speaker 3>got on FaceTime when I was backstage, and literally as

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting ready to walk out, I'm like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>call you after I gotta go announce it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it literally went that way.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's good though, because I I've known Maine. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually met him when he he was at Calabasas Hogh,

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<v Speaker 3>but we didn't really know each other.

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<v Speaker 1>We met, but I didn't really know him. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know me.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he came out when he was with Georgia worked

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<v Speaker 3>with me a day or so, didn't really know him

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<v Speaker 3>either then. And then it was a couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>ago where we really like honed in and spent a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of time together and like I got to know Maine.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, not not from a just as a person

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<v Speaker 1>and as a man. You know, it's a time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we didn't have conversations of things outside of football.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I saw that, I was happy for him

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<v Speaker 3>because we had to talk prior to the draft. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter where you go, it's what you do

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<v Speaker 3>when you get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And Maine has a Maine is the first round talent,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody know that.

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<v Speaker 3>He know that he's the first round talent, and so

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<v Speaker 3>if he plays up to his ability and his talent,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bengals got a steal for sure. But yeah, when

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<v Speaker 3>I saw his name, was shocked. Man, I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jermaine, let me go back to the timeline. Before

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of us saw TJ on TV announce the pick,

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<v Speaker 2>you had received the phone call from the Bengals and

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<v Speaker 2>face timed him right.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm, that's where life went down. Yeah. No, so

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<v Speaker 4>I got the call and then TJ called me.

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<v Speaker 1>I got video.

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<v Speaker 3>I got video, like somebody from the NFL actually recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>Me talking to him and he sent me that video.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty like it's a pretty neat behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 3>type of thing because he recorded it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, they had they gave me the call and

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<v Speaker 5>to be to be like, to be completely honest, of

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't even in the room with the rest of

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<v Speaker 5>my family and friends. I was actually sitting Uh. I

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<v Speaker 5>was actually sitting in the other room on the bed

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<v Speaker 5>alone and I was just thinking to myself because I

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<v Speaker 5>was just saying I was slipping, and it was just

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<v Speaker 5>me like so much reality was hitting me at once,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, this draft process is real, deal

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<v Speaker 5>like and so all.

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<v Speaker 4>I could just think is just that, like, bro, like

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<v Speaker 4>what Like?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know what was going on because I know

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<v Speaker 5>my telling, I know myself, and I know who I

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<v Speaker 5>am as a person. So when I was just when

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<v Speaker 5>I was just slipping and you know, I'm seeing a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of other guys go before me, it was just

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<v Speaker 5>it was sparking a lot of hunger in me, honestly.

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<v Speaker 5>So at that point, after past that second, past all

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<v Speaker 5>that stuff, I didn't care if I went four, fifth, sixth,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't care anymore. I just wanted a team to

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<v Speaker 5>call me. And so yeah, when I was just sitting down,

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<v Speaker 5>I looked at the I remember, before I got off

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<v Speaker 5>and went into the room, I looked at the next

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<v Speaker 5>few picks. It said something like Denver this this it

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<v Speaker 5>was like three. I didn't I didn't see the Bengals

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<v Speaker 5>coming up. So I'm sitting in the room and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just sitting I'm like, man, like, bro, what I'm like, Bro,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like I thought this always all about talent, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, bro, what they what they got going on?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I'm just sitting there this just mad at myself,

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<v Speaker 5>like and out of nowhere. I just a I see

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<v Speaker 5>the Cincinnati, Ohio number called me and I'm like what.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, bro, Bingles got a pick coming up? Like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, hold on, bro.

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<v Speaker 5>Like so I sat up straight and I answered the

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<v Speaker 5>phone and it was Zach Taylor and I was just

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<v Speaker 5>sitting there and I'm just like, oh my God, like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like bet so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this is where I'm at. You feel me.

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<v Speaker 5>I honestly feel like I couldn't have went into a

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<v Speaker 5>better position. I just think it's crazy how God really

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<v Speaker 5>works out things. And I don't care what pick I

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<v Speaker 5>could have been anywhere first second or anything. I feel

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<v Speaker 5>like if I would have known I was going to

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<v Speaker 5>this team right here at that pick, I would have

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<v Speaker 5>picked that from the jump, and especially after, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>knowing what I know now and being here and knowing

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<v Speaker 5>how this you know, team really operates an organization as

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<v Speaker 5>a whole. So yeah, this I can't even explain what

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<v Speaker 5>like how this situation is for me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm blessed and you know, I wouldn't rather be nowhere

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<v Speaker 4>else PJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Hearing him describe that weight, did that sound familiar? Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you had to wait even longer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's frustrating. But at the end of it doesn't matter, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it don't.

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<v Speaker 3>There's gonna be some guys that were drafted in the

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<v Speaker 3>first round that can't play.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know that second round the same.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's gonna be some guys drafted after Maine that

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's gonna say, why didn't he get drafted higher? It's

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<v Speaker 3>an inexact science. Jermaine's in the perfect spot. You would

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<v Speaker 3>a quarterback that's one of the best in the league.

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<v Speaker 3>You would you would a group of offensive coaches and

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<v Speaker 3>Zach Taylor and picture that they understand how to put

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<v Speaker 3>guys in positions to be successful. And so it's on

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<v Speaker 3>you now, and so it's on Maine to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>he's in a type of shape he understands the offense.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was crazy because after he got drafted, we

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<v Speaker 3>get on the field and uh, I was shocked, Like

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<v Speaker 3>we going through fourmations. I'm yelling at the fourmations and

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<v Speaker 3>he just lining up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like bow bow bow. I'm like, damn, you know this.

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<v Speaker 3>Already like, and so he was locked in as soon

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<v Speaker 3>as they drafted and they sent him the playbook and

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<v Speaker 3>no lock. We got on the field and he was

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<v Speaker 3>able to line himself up and he had just got

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<v Speaker 3>the playbook. So I said, okay, it means something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That right there showed me he was investing in himself.

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<v Speaker 3>And so all he gotta do is make the plays.

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<v Speaker 3>You got the quarterback, you got other receivers and Jamar

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<v Speaker 3>and t that's gonna take a ton of attention. And like,

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<v Speaker 3>when y'all see this boy on this boy is born

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<v Speaker 3>to play.

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<v Speaker 1>He's way faster than the forty times that he ran.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what he was thinking and what he

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<v Speaker 3>was doing, but he's so explosive, he's big and so

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<v Speaker 3>like he's one of the top receivers in the country

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of high school. He was one of the

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<v Speaker 3>top receivers in the country in college. When you look

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<v Speaker 3>at his yards per catch, to me, it's where you go.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you can go play with Joe Burrow, I

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<v Speaker 3>would walk from Cincinnati to California if I could do that,

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<v Speaker 3>or vice versas California. If I can't, Joe Burrow gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be my quarterback. Well, let me get this backpack and

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<v Speaker 3>some water. I'm gonna go ahead and hit this freeway walking.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's how much I would want to play with Joe.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and let alone and let alone, you know, despite

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that you've been playing with Joe in a

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<v Speaker 5>side guys like t and Jamar Like like when I

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<v Speaker 5>tell you, this entire team is like, Bro, that's so it.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro, this whole team is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Like every person I met, every VET I met, was

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<v Speaker 5>completely just welcoming and you know, just was just instantly

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<v Speaker 5>just took me in and was like you know what's good,

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<v Speaker 5>like we know, we happy.

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<v Speaker 4>To have you this worklet's this, this that, And you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, honestly, I didn't expect that, like cause you know,

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<v Speaker 5>going into the league, you go, you know, you expect

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<v Speaker 5>some bets to like try to like on some freshman

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<v Speaker 5>freshman you're a college type deal like, and it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Bro, it was the complete opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>Like so I've got nothing but complete different vibes from everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm actually I'm cool with some vets. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we've to change numbers. We've talked about some certain things,

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<v Speaker 5>and Bro, I didn't expect that not one bit at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm expecting some Vest to even just walk by like yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, man, but I ain't get none of that.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm walking by Vest, I'm like he not, he not,

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<v Speaker 5>He's not finna say nothing. It was good little bro

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<v Speaker 5>like this and that this, and that you need anything,

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<v Speaker 5>holler at me. I'm like what, I'm like that, like okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 5>so bro, everything and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the more comfortable I am with.

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<v Speaker 5>My team bro, the more comfortable I am playing so

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<v Speaker 5>and especially after knowing everybody's ways, so I feel like

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<v Speaker 5>it's different from when you want to feel with these guys.

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<v Speaker 5>When you get to know their why too, and why

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<v Speaker 5>they're playing and what their motive is, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>a it's a different feeling because.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you know why they're playing.

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<v Speaker 5>Now you know that you got to stay on them too,

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<v Speaker 5>because now you know their situation. So now you know

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<v Speaker 5>that whatever this going on, this going on, they came

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<v Speaker 5>from this, they came from that. So now you know

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<v Speaker 5>that you can push them from a certain limit now

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<v Speaker 5>instead of just being like okay, that's just my teammate,

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<v Speaker 5>like cool, Like now I know your why, So even

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<v Speaker 5>if I see you slipping up or even if I

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<v Speaker 5>see you not this this and that, I can get

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<v Speaker 5>on you because I know your motive now and it's

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<v Speaker 5>like I know how bad you want this and I

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<v Speaker 5>know how bad.

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<v Speaker 4>You need it.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's it's a complete difference in that and that

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<v Speaker 5>makes a big difference for me as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So I just I've connected with this team on in ways.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't think I was going to at a at

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<v Speaker 5>so early, and you know, even though it's still so early,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, this is exactly the path I visioned

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to take, but I just didn't expect it.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Uh, everything's great, PJ.

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<v Speaker 2>When you announced the pick, you said, this pick means

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<v Speaker 2>something to me. Are you invested in his success in Cincinnati?

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<v Speaker 1>He knows that.

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<v Speaker 3>Like listen, me and Maine have had conversations, like prior

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<v Speaker 3>to the dread, Like I had a couple people call

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<v Speaker 3>me and say, listen, I know you training your Maine. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what we've heard and I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>go into the team and I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 3>into what was what was said to me. And we

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<v Speaker 3>had a conversation with this team. I did, and I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of told him who I believe Jermaine and is

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<v Speaker 3>a person and what they were saying, whether it was

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<v Speaker 3>right or wrong, And so I told Mayine this, like, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you write your own story. People can say

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<v Speaker 3>this Orda, You write your own story. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>at times the conversation wasn't a smooth conversation because Jermaine's

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<v Speaker 3>a man and I'm a man, and you know we

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<v Speaker 3>may disagree at times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Remain respectful, but you know, the tone made raise here

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<v Speaker 3>or there, and we had a conversation. And so when

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<v Speaker 3>I said that, it meant something because we had just

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<v Speaker 3>had this conversation about what people perceive you to be,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you agree with him or not. Perception is reality,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can change that perception and I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 3>to help you change that perception.

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<v Speaker 1>And for now to for it to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be with the Bengals, it was like, well, this is

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<v Speaker 3>even better, and so that probably was it. Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>what like I grew up a Cowboys fan, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a Cowboys fan, Like the Bengals are my favorite team

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<v Speaker 3>and that that's who I root for, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>can root for the team that I root for it

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<v Speaker 3>now and.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, really really genuinely.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to see Maine succeed because he's with a team

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<v Speaker 3>that I root for and I'm personally knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's no secret some of the things that were

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<v Speaker 2>out there before the draft temperamental, maybe some maturity issues,

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<v Speaker 2>things along those lines. Have you specifically tried to help

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine with that stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about like, aren't we all temperamental? Really, let's

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<v Speaker 3>just be honest. Everybody's temperamental. Who was just even killed

0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.360
<v Speaker 3>at all times? And so I don't I want an

0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:06.520
<v Speaker 3>athlete that doesn't care. Can we harness you know that?

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<v Speaker 3>Can we control that? If you can play sports at

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<v Speaker 3>a high level, at some point in time, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to control yourself. So he can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I want somebody that cares. I want somebody

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<v Speaker 3>when things aren't going the way they anticipate them to go,

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<v Speaker 3>I want them to I wanted to bother you. Now

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<v Speaker 3>you can't let it control you, but it should bother you.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I didn't see that with him. And when

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<v Speaker 3>I train guys, I talked to him crazy. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>disrespect him, but I kind of talked to him kind

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<v Speaker 3>of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, He's never never approached me that way, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 3>When teams do that, it's kind of disheartening because you

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<v Speaker 3>you you are affecting somebody's future.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't want to draft a kid, just don't

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<v Speaker 1>draft them. But it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I met with a team not too long ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, man, it sounds really crazy and it's really.

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<v Speaker 1>Cocky, but it's not. And Maine knows. It's from the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not one guy, not one guy that I trained

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<v Speaker 1>that hasn't gone to the league and done very very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just okay, everybody that I've trained has done very

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<v Speaker 1>very well.

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<v Speaker 3>Eventually I'm gonna get that one. But as of now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm bad in a thousand and it's really about me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the kids that I'm training are just so good

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<v Speaker 3>they make me look good.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Jermaine, if my math is correct, you were six

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<v Speaker 2>years old when TJ set the Bengals record for most

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<v Speaker 2>catches in a season and went to the Pro Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twelve catches in one season. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>know anything about his career when you two guys started

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<v Speaker 2>working together.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I knew. I knew.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew quite a lot because you know him and

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<v Speaker 5>Oho two really great receivers, and you know, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was so much online about everything.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to see so many kind of videos and

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<v Speaker 5>all kinds of stuff from practice to gain film and

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<v Speaker 5>to interviews and even after I got training with him

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<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that, Like I go home sometimes and

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<v Speaker 5>I even look up some stuff like I want us,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to know more and see more. And it

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<v Speaker 5>was just funny because after everything I'm like looking up

0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.959
<v Speaker 5>and after seeing the kind of player that he was,

0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.040
<v Speaker 5>it just matched up with him so perfectly. I was like, Bro,

0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.879
<v Speaker 5>everything I'm seeing right now just matches him. And it

0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.200
<v Speaker 5>was just funny to see because when you're working out

0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.800
<v Speaker 5>with TJ, you know, he you know, when we're just training,

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<v Speaker 5>we're not just everything.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not always just football.

0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.520
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's not always just just oh, we're not

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<v Speaker 5>just doing straight drills, just straight drills, just straight drills.

0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:42.480
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>In between that, you know, we tend to take about

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<v Speaker 5>five to ten minutes and we'll we'll talk real life sometimes,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, it's always good. You know, hear coming

0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.520
<v Speaker 5>from TJ. Because TJ's been through a lot and he

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<v Speaker 5>knows a lot. He knows a lot of people, so

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<v Speaker 5>it's always some knowledge that TJ drops on you uh,

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<v Speaker 5>other than football when training with him. So and it's

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of stuff that we have shared and told

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<v Speaker 5>tweet and like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, spoke on.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'll lead that to the exclusiveness of just knowing TJ,

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<v Speaker 5>because that's just you know, that's just how he is.

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<v Speaker 5>And so it's a lot of stuff that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's put me on Game two and told me and

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<v Speaker 5>this and this and that that I never shared because,

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<v Speaker 5>like I said, I just leave that up to this

0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.520
<v Speaker 5>exclusiveness of knowing him and training with him. So you know,

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<v Speaker 5>everything is just appreciated from him, and you know, we

0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.520
<v Speaker 5>still have a lot of work to put in, tons

0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.760
<v Speaker 5>of work to put in. And you know, it was

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<v Speaker 5>really just a connection from the jump because I really

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<v Speaker 5>noticed that TJ really cared about you know, what was

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<v Speaker 5>even being said and all the like, like how he said,

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<v Speaker 5>how we had those conversations and how he did come

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<v Speaker 5>to me.

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<v Speaker 4>And I still.

0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.520
<v Speaker 5>Remember that day, you know, when I came there and

0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.400
<v Speaker 5>he was, you know, telling me what was being told

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<v Speaker 5>about me and you know, everything and what was being

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<v Speaker 5>shared and he and the next thing.

0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.480
<v Speaker 4>He said after that was I'm going to help you

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<v Speaker 4>fix that and like literally just like that.

0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.679
<v Speaker 5>And you know, we had another conversation after that, and

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 5>that conversation really went far with me because it hit

0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 5>me differently because you you know how connected well connected

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.800
<v Speaker 5>TJ is. So when he's telling you something like this,

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<v Speaker 5>regardless you like it or not, it's true. So regardless

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.600
<v Speaker 5>of how I felt about it, and regardless of what

0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.240
<v Speaker 5>what what was being said, it was one hundred true.

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 5>So I sat there and I was like, you know what,

0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm finna just bro, I'm taking everything in. I'm finna

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<v Speaker 5>listen to exactly what he's saying, and I'm gonna see

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.920
<v Speaker 5>where it takes me. And it changed me a lot.

0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.480
<v Speaker 5>And you know, like I said, every like that's that's appreciated.

0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 5>And you know, I'm blessed to even work with TJ

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:51.760
<v Speaker 5>and to know him and have a relationship with him.

0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:53.320
<v Speaker 4>And you know, this is a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Work that day, man, because it was what was you

0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 3>it was it was wrong. Yeah, we had it was

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.040
<v Speaker 3>a good work out that day, by the way.

0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:02.920
<v Speaker 4>It was a good work out.

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<v Speaker 5>So we put it out yoh yeah, but it's always

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:06.960
<v Speaker 5>good work man.

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.120
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, dude, that that that that that that.

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 5>Day specifically meant a lot to me because that was

0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.760
<v Speaker 5>the day that, you know, because after he told me

0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 5>all of that, his next words was, I'm gonna help

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<v Speaker 5>you fix that.

0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Like we don't fix that like, and you know, that's

0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.960
<v Speaker 4>exactly what happened. So it's all good.

0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I can hear in your voice that you appreciate somebody

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.159
<v Speaker 2>who shoots you straight mm hm. You don't want somebody

0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.080
<v Speaker 2>to shutarcoat things, right, Yeah.

0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.399
<v Speaker 4>No, especially especially in the manner of this is what

0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 4>it is. Boom boom boom boom boom.

0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 5>Now we're fixing it, not this, you know, uh nah famn,

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.440
<v Speaker 5>this is what's being said. This is what we're doing

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 5>to fix it, like and that was just that. And

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 5>that's how TJ is with everything he talks about, Like,

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.960
<v Speaker 5>he shoots it straight to you, and you know, it

0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.840
<v Speaker 5>makes it easy regardless if you like it or not.

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 4>And I feel like the part that really helps you

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.439
<v Speaker 4>more is how he shoots it to you.

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.159
<v Speaker 5>Because a lot of people could bring something to you

0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.960
<v Speaker 5>and they could say it and go around this curve

0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.920
<v Speaker 5>and about how they do it. With TJ, it hits

0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.399
<v Speaker 5>you differently because of how straight up, how straight up

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 5>it is, so that it strikes you more and it's

0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.720
<v Speaker 5>like it makes you think about it more. It doesn't

0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.960
<v Speaker 5>make you think about like I still okay, it's all good,

0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.480
<v Speaker 5>Like it's not that bad. Like nah, it's like, bro,

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.399
<v Speaker 5>this is what's being said, like this is your future,

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.000
<v Speaker 5>this is your career, Like do.

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 4>You want to be looked at as this? Do you

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:29.639
<v Speaker 4>want this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so now we got to change this, like and

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 5>you know that that was the moment where I really

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.919
<v Speaker 5>accepted at the fact that what was being told and

0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:39.679
<v Speaker 5>what was being said about me, it might not have

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.119
<v Speaker 5>been true to like to myself, but at the end

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:44.720
<v Speaker 5>of the day, if this is how people view you,

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.400
<v Speaker 5>this is what you're gonna be viewed as.

0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.439
<v Speaker 4>So regardless of if I was like, man, it's not you.

0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't care, that's not me. That's not me. Bro,

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.960
<v Speaker 4>it's like, fam, Like what are you just gonna do

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 4>to fix it?

0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 5>So you know something, it is a bullet you gotta

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 5>bite and you know, change it regardless if it's not,

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 5>if it's true or not. And that was that's that

0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 5>was a maturean step I took, uh because you know,

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 5>like I said, no matter what you just perception is

0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 5>the reality.

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<v Speaker 2>More With TJ and Germaine in a moment. But first,

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<v Speaker 2>healthcare provider of the Bengals. TJ I told Jermaine recently

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<v Speaker 2>that when I watched his college film, he reminded me

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<v Speaker 2>of former Panthers and Ravens wide receiver Steve Smith. The

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<v Speaker 2>physicality when the balls in the air, it belongs to him.

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<v Speaker 2>The toughness. Do you like it or is there a

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<v Speaker 2>better comp that's you know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean Steve is a little more compact. Mains is a

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<v Speaker 3>lot taller than than Steve, a lot taller. But the toughness, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because Steve ain't no punking Steve at all,

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 3>and then you ain't punking Maine either, And so the

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<v Speaker 3>the personality aspect of it, yes, the explosiveness, yes, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Really hard to like.

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<v Speaker 3>Receivers are better man like when when you try to

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<v Speaker 3>start comparing receivers to of today to receivers back back

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<v Speaker 3>in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>The receivers are just better.

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<v Speaker 3>They're they're they're bigger, they're faster, they're better route runners

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<v Speaker 3>or quicker, they know more, and so it's hard to

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<v Speaker 3>really compare. Now you can the physical traits, yeah, the explosiveness, yes,

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 3>I can see that. The the the personality of when

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<v Speaker 3>the game starts, I'm gonna talk my and it don't

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<v Speaker 3>matter if you want to talk back.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it is what it is. But I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not backing down for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that perspective of it with him and Steve

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<v Speaker 3>and explosive it is. Yeah, we're out running a little

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<v Speaker 3>different just because of the body types.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But as I'm saying this, I'm actually trying to think

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<v Speaker 3>of who I could compare Jermaine. To give me some time,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna take some time for me to kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of figure that one out.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll come to you at some point. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>circle back to what you were saying earlier, TJ about

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine having the opportunity to begin his career with Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Burrow as his quarterback. Jamar Chas and T. Higgins also

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<v Speaker 2>part of the wide receiver crew. Your breakout season in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL was your fourth year when Carson Palmer got

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<v Speaker 2>his chance to be the starting quarterback. Suddenly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your stats jumped through the roof. Do we underestimate the

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<v Speaker 2>impact of you know, having to have a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>that for a wide receiver to take off.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think is mutually beneficial both When I

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<v Speaker 1>go back to.

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<v Speaker 3>My career, I was hurt a lot my first three

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<v Speaker 3>years in the league. Hamstring and groins my first three years.

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 3>And then Marvin was like, you get hurt again. He

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't say it in these words, but basically, you get

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 3>hurt again, your ass is gone. And so I had

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<v Speaker 3>to figure something out and it just so happened to

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 3>coincide that I got Peter Ward broke he broke his leg,

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 3>and when Doug broke his leg, I got an opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to play and the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 1>But a quarterback, it helps. But to me, football is

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<v Speaker 1>a ultimate team game. When you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Eleven guys and then everybody's relying on each other, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to have everybody doing their job at a high level.

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<v Speaker 3>If it doesn't if the old line don't block, doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>matter who the quarterback in the receiver r No, if

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<v Speaker 3>I dropped the ball, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter that the old line block.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, if I'm open, the quarterback makes a

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<v Speaker 3>bad throw or he makes a great throw on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean everything that has to work perfectly in a

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<v Speaker 3>game of football just to have a successful play.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want to do that snap after snap after snap.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>Between Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and Josh Allen you can mix

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<v Speaker 3>and match. Ever, those are the top three quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 3>the league. If you can go into the league with

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<v Speaker 3>one of those three is your quarterback, you're winning. You're

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<v Speaker 3>a winning And so for Jamaine, he has a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to change his family's fortune through the game of football,

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<v Speaker 3>and he has a head start, a bigger head start

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<v Speaker 3>than a lot of others, because you got Joe as

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<v Speaker 3>your quarterback. And so my job to help him is

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<v Speaker 3>to maximize that because the game of football is going

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<v Speaker 3>to enable him to put his family in a position

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<v Speaker 3>they've never been in. And I'm gonna be on his

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<v Speaker 3>ass to make sure he don't pick that up.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Jermaine, I've noticed in the first few practices that

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<v Speaker 2>we've been allowed to watch, when the quarter come out

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<v Speaker 2>to warm up, the four quarterbacks are off to the

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<v Speaker 2>side before the team stretches. Even you always catch Joe

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Burrow's passes, his idea, your idea. How did that come about?

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<v Speaker 2>And is there something to it?

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, it's kind of funny because usually we'll go out there,

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<v Speaker 5>the rookies will go out there, and we'll put through

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<v Speaker 5>like a few drills before the rest of the guys

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<v Speaker 5>come out. So I noticed that on a certain time.

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<v Speaker 5>So we get out there at ten point fifty. I

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<v Speaker 5>still don't know the exact time Joe and the other

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<v Speaker 5>quarterbacks come out, but I know it's around the time

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<v Speaker 5>that when we finish these drills, about like three to

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<v Speaker 5>five minutes later, the quarterbacks are walking out and they

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<v Speaker 5>start warming up.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, Bro, every time I see none

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<v Speaker 4>walk on the field, I'm warming up with.

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<v Speaker 5>I was I'm the one that's catching this back and bro,

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<v Speaker 5>because the ones that was catching the passes.

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<v Speaker 4>With the equipment guys. So I'm like, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the equipment guys will put on glosondo stand right and now.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, I'm I'm like, bro, hold on, let me,

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.719
<v Speaker 5>I got let me get I got that.

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<v Speaker 4>I got you gay like I got it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I made it. I made it, you know, as standard

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 4>to myself.

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<v Speaker 5>As soon as I see nine steps on the field,

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<v Speaker 5>the warm up, I warm up with him.

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<v Speaker 2>When you hear that, TJ, what do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Smart, Hey, you want that quarterback to feel comfortable throwing

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<v Speaker 3>you the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's very simple.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the sooner you can get that that feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of comfort and that that trust, it's more of a trusting.

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<v Speaker 1>And the crazy thing is with with Jamar and t

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<v Speaker 1>not being there you.

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<v Speaker 3>Used to, You're gonna build up trust a lot, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot faster than you normally would. And so for his talent,

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna his talent is gonna carry it. You see that,

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 3>you see the exposion as you see the size. Now

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<v Speaker 3>it's building the trust of the quarterback, of the coaches,

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 3>and your and everybody else, your teammates. Once you start

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 3>to do that, now we're starting to run downhill instead

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<v Speaker 3>of working up here.

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine, I'm glad you mentioned coming out early because I've

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>noticed that as well. It's you and Cale Burgess, undrafted

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver from Sunny Cortland where Dan Pitcher went to college.

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>You two guys are out early every single time with

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the wide receivers coach Troy Walters, it looks like working

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>on your releases. Is that what you're getting extra work on?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? Yeah. Also I look at it, it's more more

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<v Speaker 4>of a warm up. You know, I'm a rookie.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, I want to go into every practice already ready.

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 5>I want to go into every practice like as soon

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 5>as something happens, I'm just.

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Ready to go. I'm just ready to go. So, yeah,

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 4>we work on releases.

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we work on this, We work on that, We

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 5>work on some catching, but more so the fact I

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 5>just really to me, it's just more of the move around,

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 5>move around before we actually start practice, because whenever practice

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 5>do start, I don't want to make it look like

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm starting like. I don't want to make it look

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 5>like I'm just now starting like. I want to make

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 5>it seem like I'm already, like I'm I've been moving

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 5>like so when.

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 4>We're doing whatever and whatever, like you know, I just

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 4>want to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Ready to go at all times, and I just want

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 5>to show them that, you know, I'm just a guy

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 5>that's ready to go, you know, from a from a

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 5>energy standpoint, from a from a just mindset, standpoint.

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm just I'm ready for whatever.

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 5>So you know that's why I'm able to just hurry

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 5>up and just go over there as soon as Joe

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 5>comes out and just catch passes from him, even though

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 5>it's like twenty passes or fifteen passes, like, bro, whatever,

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 5>how many, how many ever passes he needs the warm

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<v Speaker 5>up because sometimes he needs fifteen, sometimes he will get twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>like so whatever, I don't care, I need it all.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 5>It don't matter if this soft love five yard pass

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<v Speaker 5>is like, Bro, you see me right here, we're good like,

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 5>and I'll just throw it back and that's just how

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 5>it goes. So uh and that has kind of actually

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 5>built a better connection between me and him because you know,

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 5>it's we've exchanged words in between those moments, but uh,

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 5>you know yeah, and I feel like day by day,

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, I feel like he's gotten more comfortable with

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 5>explaining stuff to me. You know, the first few days

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 5>it was just you know, us getting a feel of

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 5>through me running routes and through how he how he throws.

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.719
<v Speaker 5>Now is okay on this route if you get a

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 5>man right here, if you get man on this play,

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 5>try to wrap him before you break out, Like now,

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 5>it's becoming that. And rather than let me see how

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 5>this dude runs routes and let me see how I

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 5>can throw to him, or let me see how he

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 5>throws the ball, is we.

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 4>Got that, I know how, I know how he likes

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 4>to throw the ball.

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 5>Now I know how what kind of quarterback he is

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 5>now is so now that we got that feel out

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 5>the way now is all right? Now we're into the

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 5>playbook standpoint of how he likes stuff and how he

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 5>does things. And he's a real detailed quarterback and a

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 5>timing quarterback. Joe doesn't need to throw bullet passes because

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 5>he's so detailed on timing that from split to depth

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 5>to coverages that he's so detailed on timing that the

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 5>ball is going to just be there based off time.

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 5>And so he could throw it just how he could

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 5>throw a perfect ground like just pluckable ball rather than

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 5>having it just hurry up and squeeze something and like

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 5>some like a bullet if the time it works out, great,

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't have.

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 4>To be a bullet pass.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 5>It's just boom goes to his progressive step, step drop

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 5>back whatever, boom And yeah, he's amazing, bro, I'm not

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.959
<v Speaker 5>gonna lie. He's a he's he's wired different, and it's

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 5>it's it's so, it's crazy, it's crazy.

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 4>I can't. I can't a lie to you.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>A couple more questions before we wrap this up. You've

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>had this relationship with TJ now for four years, but

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>in recent weeks you've started a formal relationship with Chad

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Johnson as well. Has that added to your feeling of

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>connectivity to the Bengals franchise.

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was kind of funny because before he came

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 5>out to practice the day before, I was on a scooter.

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 4>I went to Kroger because Kroger.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 5>Sat I got like this little chicken in this little

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 5>already heated up for you. You can just grab it and

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 5>like feel me and go. So I went up there

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 5>before bed.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 4>Like it was like seven or something like that.

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 5>So I'm like, I'm like, I hopped on a little

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 5>bird scooter, went up to the Kroger, and then I'm

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.719
<v Speaker 5>on my way back and like, as I'm pulling him

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 5>to the hotel, I see him standing by this car.

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Who is this?

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 5>Like, who did you sitting next to this? Rose Rory

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 5>is like, I'm like did He turned around and he.

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Was like what's up baby. It was like, you're like

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 4>a pleasure man, It's a pleasure to meet you this that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, man, it's a.

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<v Speaker 5>Pleasure to beat you. Man Like it's good brod he like,

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<v Speaker 5>And then we chopped it up. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 5>telling me about his soccer tournament. He down here competing

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<v Speaker 5>in for a soccer tournament for a million dollars and uh,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he.

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<v Speaker 4>Takes soccer real serious. Bro He's He's hilarious. You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it was crazy to meet him in person.

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<v Speaker 5>He told me he was gonna be at practice the

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<v Speaker 5>next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>So I came home.

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<v Speaker 5>I made sure I put my jersey in my bag,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, yeah, they signed him off, so.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, yeah it was great. You know. O Jo

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<v Speaker 4>hopped in there and did a couple of drills with us,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and yeah, it was great. That practice was amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that was a I didn't take that for granted.

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<v Speaker 5>I was enjoying the moment because I thought that was

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<v Speaker 5>that was a moment for me.

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<v Speaker 2>TJ. Did his voice just sound like Chad to you?

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<v Speaker 1>It did to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Little bit when when Man got drafted, Chad literally he

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<v Speaker 3>called me he was like, so you're training, tell me

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 3>about him like he wanted, Like he don't ps. He

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<v Speaker 3>called me and was like, tell me about him. So

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<v Speaker 3>we actually got on the phone and I was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of telling Chad about Maine, and so I mean, Chad alive.

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<v Speaker 1>This is me.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, when you think of the Bengals, you think of

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<v Speaker 3>a few people.

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<v Speaker 1>The first person you think of is Chad.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say the Cincinnati Bengals, everybody is gonna think

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<v Speaker 3>Chad first.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>When I think Cincinnati or anybody says the Bengals, they

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<v Speaker 3>always think Chad.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't call Chad Ocho because I just I can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I call other people will refer to him

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<v Speaker 1>as Ocho. But you think Chad, and then you probably

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<v Speaker 1>think me. And so.

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<v Speaker 3>That to me when when man got caught, he called

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<v Speaker 3>me tell me about it. And so then for Main

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<v Speaker 3>and a meeting, we both gonna try to give him

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<v Speaker 3>all we can give him. I'll spend a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>time with Maine and Chad will, but I'm gonna try.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this summer, this is probably gonna be one of

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<v Speaker 3>our best summers of training because of what I got planned,

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<v Speaker 3>the things that we're gonna do a lot of one

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<v Speaker 3>on ones, a lot of seven on seven with a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of NFL guys to just make sure we ready

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<v Speaker 3>to go and we locked in for when training camp

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<v Speaker 3>comes around.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your biggest piece of advice for Jermaine for

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<v Speaker 2>his rookie year in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that that's very simple. Man. Effort. We can always

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<v Speaker 1>control that. Always control the effort we give.

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<v Speaker 3>We may not like the results or what comes from it,

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 3>but we always give it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are off, we give it, are off, We walk out

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<v Speaker 1>with our heads. Oha. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been awesome. I really appreciate you guys taking

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<v Speaker 2>time to do this with me. I know Bengals fans

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<v Speaker 2>are really going to enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jermaine.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so excited to have you in Cincinnati being part

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<v Speaker 2>of this franchise. And if you have TJ. Hushman Zadat

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<v Speaker 2>stamp of approval, which you obviously do, then we know

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<v Speaker 2>the Cincinnati Bengals got a great wide receiver in this

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<v Speaker 2>year's draft. Yes, sir, take care, guys, Thanks again.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna make it happen. We gonna make it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as Mini camp over with, we gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>back to work. So y'all, no worries, Yes, Erski, no care.

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