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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks. It is Wednesday, February the eleventh, and

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Speaker 1: three years ago this month, Robach and I got a

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Speaker 1: phone call from our friend Howard and the first thing

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Speaker 1: he said upon calling was, how did I look to

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Speaker 1: you the last time you saw me. We didn't really

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Speaker 1: understand what he meant at the time, but he died

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Speaker 1: seven days after that phone call, and today, February the

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Speaker 1: eleventh is the three year anniversary of his death. And

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Speaker 1: before he passed, he gave me and Robach an incredible

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Speaker 1: gift that we will carry cheris, celebrate, and visit for

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Speaker 1: the rest of our lives. And as we speak to

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Speaker 1: you right now, we are in Puerto by Arta, Mexico,

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Speaker 1: saying thank you and honoring our lady friend, and with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. We

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Speaker 1: didn't say it outright that we were planning this trip

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Speaker 1: to honor Howard Bragman, but I think subconsciously, in some way,

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Speaker 1: we have planned this trip and we are here at

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Speaker 1: the exact time that he placed us here, which also

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Speaker 1: coincides with the anniversary of his death. Actually, this trip

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Speaker 1: is a little heavier than I thought it was going.

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Speaker 2: To be, you know, it's so interesting how life works.

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Speaker 2: And I am someone who believes that there are no coincidences,

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Speaker 2: that you're exactly where you're supposed to be. And we

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Speaker 2: had been talking about ever since we made this trip,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get into what that trip was like and

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Speaker 2: how we ended up here in the first place because

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Speaker 2: of Howard, and why we're here now three years later.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't some deliberate plan anniversary trip, and yet we

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this, but it just worked out that

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Speaker 2: we ended up back here on the three year anniversary

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Speaker 2: of Howard's death. And it's so fitting and it's so appropriate,

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Speaker 2: and no, I don't think it was a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a look it sounds like vacation, part

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Speaker 1: of our art to Mexico. But when we first came

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Speaker 1: that moment. If some people might not remember road, but

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Speaker 1: it was exactly three years ago this month that we

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Speaker 1: were under some of the greatest scrutiny, and it was

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Speaker 1: probably in our professional and personal lives, one of the

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Speaker 1: most difficult, maybe even months or stretches of our life.

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Speaker 1: It was as we were negotiating an exit out of ABC.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's not a maybe, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: dealing with breast cancer, divorce, divorces. February of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: January February of twenty twenty three with that was the

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Speaker 2: hardest stretch of my life period. And look, we could

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Speaker 1: And the toughest time of our life is when Howard

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Speaker 1: Bragman entered our life in a different way. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people you might recognize that name, you might not.

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Speaker 1: You might recognize the face even more so than you

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Speaker 1: And this is a guy And to that point, Robes, yes,

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Speaker 1: You might know the dates in particular, but we went

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Speaker 1: and this is where we got to reconnect.

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Speaker 3: You and I were actually together at that point.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew it, but yes.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knew it.

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Speaker 2: But we attended that wedding together and we weren't. Like

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Speaker 2: we have said this plenty of times, we weren't hiding

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing because obviously, two people who go to a

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Speaker 1: It was just he was almost tapping us on the show.

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Speaker 1: We were almost rude guests. The wedding.

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Speaker 2: Well, we got out of there quickly because we had

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Speaker 3: So it was brief the time we have with Howard in.

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Speaker 1: That moment, so we just reconnected. Good to see you,

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Speaker 1: nice to say hi. So three weeks after that, shit

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Speaker 2: Fan, And his point was to us when he reached out,

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything from you.

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Speaker 3: I don't want any money.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to sign up with me or

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Speaker 2: Don't even think about sending me any amount of money.

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Speaker 2: I love both of you. I saw the two of

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Speaker 1: We didn't have to make a mention of money or

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Speaker 2: Every day, every day, and he said to us, I

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Speaker 2: And he actually had really phenomenal advice that we weren't

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Speaker 1: So we continue with the story here as it goes November,

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Speaker 1: when I think it was fully reported on, but people

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Speaker 1: This was all done via zoom. But we went to

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Speaker 3: It was as dramatic as a guess.

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Speaker 2: So if there were cameras on us with our respective teams.

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Speaker 1: So we were staying there and we were staying night

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Speaker 1: The last day we finally finished the mediation, word had

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Speaker 1: gotten out. Somebody figured out where we are. We were exposed,

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Speaker 1: and robes. It sounded like a great idea at the time.

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Speaker 2: It was an escape, it was a respite, and I

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Speaker 3: And we were.

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Speaker 1: And you say it that way, we're all like the

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Speaker 1: we'll explain the visit and the gift. We continue here

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Speaker 2: We don't even eat, yes, but we ate it with him,

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Speaker 4: He was that person to so many people who felt

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Speaker 1: We said plenty of times after his passing, Man, I

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no. The robe. That is one

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Speaker 3: A lot of us have, and it's comes from such

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Speaker 2: And you're right, he so wanted us to stay because

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Speaker 2: The last picture we have put one that's a gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: I could take this picture. We should post that one too,

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Speaker 1: This is the phone call we were talking about. At

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Speaker 1: He doesn't say hello. I just say hello. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: He led with this, how did I look the last

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Speaker 3: Been a matter of days, yeah, five six days.

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Speaker 1: That's something else, Rolls was leukemia.

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Speaker 2: Acute leukemia. And he had told us when we were

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Speaker 1: a dental issue, like a too of his dental gums

436
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: or something. It was his gums and goes to the

437
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: doctor and he called. I think he was in the

438
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: hospital in that phone call. He was so we're obviously

439
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: devastated at this point and didn't think at all it

440
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: was that serious. I don't think he did it either

441
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 1: at the moment. But prior to that, when we were

442
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: at his house, he had invited us to Porto Varta, Mexico,

443
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: where he rents a house every year, has several bedrooms

444
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: and just invites people to come in and out. Hey

445
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: if you can make it, and he coordinates it, Hey,

446
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: this couple can come at this time, you can come

447
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: for this week, you can go. And it's something he did.

448
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: We didn't know that. But he invites us, and you

449
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: know what, we say, what the hell?

450
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: And you're not one to take up, take anyone up

451
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: on an invitation like that where we don't know who's

452
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 2: going to be at the house, how many people are

453
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: going to be there.

454
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: And you were just like you were.

455
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: So give me out of this, give me out of

456
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: the us.

457
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: Yes, but I appreciated how much you connected with Howard.

458
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: No, unless someone knows you, TJ. I'm somebody who'll be like, sure,

459
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: I'll do it. I would probably say yes.

460
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: You are very discerning, and for you to be like,

461
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: we'll go, I was like, wow, TJ's saying yes to this.

462
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: You were like, okay, I'm listening.

463
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: So we had committed prior to this phone call in

464
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: which he was telling us they had found this leukemia.

465
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: But he was letting us know that he probably wasn't

466
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: going to be able to make the trip. So he's

467
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: the one that invited us.

468
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: We're going to cancel.

469
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: We immediately were going to cancel.

470
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes, Howard.

471
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh like on the phone, Howard, it's no big deal, dude,

472
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. All good. Take care of your health.

473
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: It's fine. And this is where the gift comes in ropes.

474
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: In that phone call, he begged us to go.

475
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: He said to you, I remember exactly where you were standing,

476
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: and I saw your face and I saw you you

477
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: realized that this was actually very serious. He said, if

478
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: you can do me this favor, all I ask of you,

479
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 2: no matter what happens. Because he knew more than and

480
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: he was letting on. At that point, he said, give

481
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: me this gift. I need you to tell me right

482
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: now that you are going to go to Mexico.

483
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 3: No matter what. Promise me right now.

484
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: He on the phone asked you to promise him that,

485
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: no matter what, that we would go to Mexico.

486
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: That that was the biggest gift that we could give him.

487
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: As he was sitting in that hospital bed, Promise me

488
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: you will go anyway.

489
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: He said it that way, he said, I'm sitting up here.

490
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: I can't do anything for anybody right now, but I

491
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: can do this for you. Please allow me this, Please

492
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: allow me. He begged and pleaded to the point, Robes,

493
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: that we felt ruled, rude and like assholes. If we didn't,

494
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: it felt so wrong to go be having a good

495
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: time while a friend of ours was in the hospital.

496
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: That's where we were at the moment. But he insisted

497
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: and he begged. And here was the thing, folks, He

498
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: followed up from the hospital bed, and you, Robes, we

499
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: were sitting here looking at a short time ago. We

500
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: still have emails from this guy. He was planning limos

501
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: for us on what eventually ended up being his deathbed.

502
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: He was planning cars and pickups from the airport. While

503
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: he was on his deathbed, I had the emails, and

504
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him like, are you kidding me? And

505
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: so I don't think I've looked at him in three years,

506
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Robes. But he insisted, and this

507
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: was on February fourth, I think it was. Yeah, he

508
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: died on February the eleventh, and we promised him already,

509
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: we promised we go after that, Robes. We were hesitating

510
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: after he told us he was sick. After he passed,

511
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: there was almost no way we couldn't go.

512
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, we decided, like we started like putting ourselves in

513
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: his position, because the whole reason why he offered us

514
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 5: this place was he saw how much we were being hunted, right,

515
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 5: and so many people have been in opposition, and that

516
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 5: was his lane.

517
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: He knew how to take care of people who were

518
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: in our position, and he said, let me give this

519
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: to you. Let me give you a space and a

520
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: place where you actually can just be safe to be you,

521
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 2: and you'll be able to actually just let your guard

522
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: down for a second.

523
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: Let me bring you to Port of Iarda. So it's

524
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: so surreal.

525
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: To know that in a matter of days, he tells

526
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: us this, and on what would become his deathbed, asks

527
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: us to promise him that will go no matter what,

528
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: and then he dies and we get on a plane

529
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: three days later, on February fourteenth, on Valentine's Day, to

530
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: head to Porta Iarda, to a trip that we thought

531
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: we would be taking with him to get to know

532
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: him better, to get to celebrate life with him, and

533
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: suddenly now we're going there and he's gone. It was

534
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: it was because we had known him for years, but

535
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: we had only reconnected with him in the last few months.

536
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: And to think that all of this was going on

537
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: in our lives.

538
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: What he knew how to do best to take care

539
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: of people who were in our positions, For us to

540
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: reconnect in that way, and then for him to suddenly

541
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: be taken from us, it was I had to think

542
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: that there was some larger lesson and it was to learn,

543
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: like what did he do? How did he live his life?

544
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: He was a giver, He was not a taker. He

545
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: was a giver, and we needed we needed someone like

546
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: that in our lives. And now it's like our turn

547
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: to return that. Like you see how he lived his life,

548
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: and you think that's how I want to live in

549
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: my life. So to be back here now, I think

550
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: about all of those lessons and what a gift he

551
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: was to the world and what our responsibility is now

552
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: to pay it forward.

553
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: Isn't crazy how he was so supportive of us and

554
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: we needed really his skill set, right, He never implemented it.

555
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: He never gave us a strategy that was implemented in public.

556
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: He never worked for us behind the scenes, talking to

557
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: reporters or anything like that. And yet he still provided

558
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: us now something that's going to be more valuable for

559
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: the rest of our lives. Our daughters have been here,

560
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: our daughters love it down here. We are back here

561
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: again in this area port of our Arta Salulita. Absolutely

562
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: we are looking at property we would not I don't

563
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: know if we ever would have planned a trip here.

564
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: But this place is special to us because it's wonderful. Yes, sure,

565
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: but he put this on our radar, on our map

566
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: and at a time robes when it was our we

567
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: were here, and we ended up on that trip being

568
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: hounded and harassed, and it hurt and it sucked, and

569
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: we were followed.

570
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: In the whole. We had a drone following us on

571
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: the beach and port of iarta saying horrible things about.

572
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Despite all that. It's meaningful and nobody understands fully necessarily.

573
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: But he is someone that folks, we have mentioned before

574
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: and talked about before. But we are here in this

575
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: place that he introduced us to on the anniversary of

576
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: his death, we should mention Ropes his late husband, Michael.

577
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: They what they married.

578
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: He married on his death.

579
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: It was Oh, that's right, Jesus Christ. I remember they

580
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: had been dating. Oh yeah, that's another thing we went

581
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: to was his funeral. His husband's musician. We went to

582
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: his house. He was blasting his husband's music and he

583
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: was so proud. Oh, he was so proud.

584
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: They were engaged.

585
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: They weren't married yet when we actually spoke with him,

586
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: and I like to hear him, and I think that's

587
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: part of what drew him to us.

588
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: He saw our love, he saw our connection.

589
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: And you know, when you're with somebody and you just

590
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: see something that's real and you can read about it

591
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: and you can hear all the shit that people say

592
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: about it, but when you meet someone and I think

593
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: I think that was our big connection. He saw our

594
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: love and he connected it to his love, and he

595
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: he was Yes, he was blasting his fiance's music. He's

596
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: so proud they married on his death bed.

597
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't.

598
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 6: Like I think we move on with our lives and

599
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 6: that the world is crazy and there's so many stories,

600
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 6: but like to be reconnected with him on this day,

601
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 6: in this place, it's very special, and I think these

602
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 6: are the moments like life.

603
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: Life is hard and it's messy, but.

604
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 7: Like when you meet real, genuine people who are here

605
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 7: to serve, and like it's just an honor to have

606
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 7: known them, and the way you honor their memory is

607
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 7: to live better and to be kinder and to remember

608
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 7: what matters.

609
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: It's not any of the things sometimes we focus on.

610
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: It's our relationships and it's how we treat each other.

611
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: And he lived that and we experienced his love and

612
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: it met and mattered.

613
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: We didn't. As we wrap up here at the last

614
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: point of this was Robes. I think a lot of

615
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: people didn't know, didn't understand, but it was once again

616
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: became some kind of a tabloid fodder that we attended

617
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: his funeral, and folks don't know at that time it

618
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: was in early March. I think it was we were

619
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: still under a microscope to the point we couldn't fly

620
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: into Los Angeles International Airport la IS, where his funeral

621
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: was happening, flew into San Diego, drove up the two

622
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: hours to la to his funeral in a white Chevy

623
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: Camaro that we had rented. He looked ridiculous, But we

624
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: go to this funeral, and of course Tabloid's right, and

625
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: we attended and you couldn't be leave by. But folks

626
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: don't realize that even then, it was worth it to

627
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: us to get on the plane, fly across the country

628
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: and do whatever we had to do to be there

629
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: to honor him on that day. That is why we

630
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: were there. This story that folks don't know is the

631
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: backstory of why we would have done anything to be

632
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: anywhere we needed to be to honor him on that day.

633
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: Agreed.

634
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: And the cool thing is, I do think there is

635
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Like I've made this very clear, I'm a big believer

636
00:32:54,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: in kismet, and we planned this vacation around a lot

637
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: of different things. But neither one of us realized before

638
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: we made this trip that we were going to be

639
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: here on the anniversary of his death. Until we got

640
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: here and we looked back and we thought, oh my god,

641
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: we are actually here on the anniversary of his death.

642
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: How fucking cool is that.

643
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: We didn't plan it, but it happened, and it's worth

644
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: noting and it's worth remembering.

645
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: And my God, Howard Bragman, God bless you. We love you.

646
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: We think of you often, but we're really thinking of

647
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: you right now here today. And I know so many

648
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: of you listening have that person in your life, whether

649
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: it's your father or your brother, someone you met along

650
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: the way, a teacher, whoever the mentor was. But these

651
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: are the moments when you honor those who left something

652
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: so significant that you lived differently because of them. I

653
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: am in awe that we got that time with him.

654
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: I wish there was more time, but we'll take what

655
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: we got and we'll remember him in the place he

656
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: loved the most.

657
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: And we will always smile robes. And I will leave

658
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: this on a happy, a funny, a hilarious note, because

659
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: we got thrown off guard. He invited us here, yes

660
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: to port of our art and the house he rents,

661
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: and apparently he rents it the same one every year.

662
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: I blue believed he did yes for years and years

663
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: and years.

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00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: And it sits on the end of this long stretch

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00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: of the main beach there in Port of our Arta,

666
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: and it sits there and it has this house a

667
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: private entrance and exit to the beach. So we walked

668
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: out of the house and we're right there on the beach.

669
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: This is our first dunning. We just unpacked. This is unbelievable.

670
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: We walk one hundred feet. Oh wow, that's a really

671
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: tight bathing suit for a man to be wearing. We

672
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: walk a little further. Wow, another tight bathing suit. And

673
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: is that baby oil he's wearing? And we keep going

674
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: and going, and it continues and continues, and it seems

675
00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: like it doesn't stop. Seeing very glistening men in the

676
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: same speedout because robes. Unbeknownst to us, we had just

677
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: set foot onto gay Beach.

678
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: So this is true. Howard Bragman. Obviously we mentioned his husband, Michael,

679
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Obviously he's gay. All in fact, all the other couples

680
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 2: who he had invited to this.

681
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: House were gay. We were the only heterosexual couple. And

682
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: by the way, that was awesome too.

683
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: His friends, his best friends who would come year after

684
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: year after year to the same place, showed up. Because

685
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: we felt really conflicted, We're like, is this wrong of

686
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: us to be going anyway. We know we promised him,

687
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: but is this wrong? And all his friends were there,

688
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: and we got to meet Howard's friends, and we got

689
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: to meet some of the coolest people ever.

690
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: And yes we were the only heterosexuals.

691
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: But when we walked out and we see that we

692
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: are surrounded by gay men. I actually pulled up the

693
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: Google Maps and it said gay Beach. I'm like, babe,

694
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: we're actually on a beach called gay beach.

695
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Just call that. That was a big resort there that

696
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: caters to gay couples all do dudes? You all, I'm

697
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: talking about as far as the I could see. Think

698
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: about whatever resort you've ever been to. You see the

699
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: lines and the lines and the lines of the beach

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00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: chairs with the umbrellas.

701
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: There wasn't a woman in sight, all men a woman in.

702
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: Sight, and you know it was there were no board

703
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: shorts inside either.

704
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: There were no boxer shorts, there were no no baby pidos.

705
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: And you know what you looked at.

706
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: We looked at each other and we're like, this is perfect, amazing,

707
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: this is amazing. He didn't mention all word. By the way,

708
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: where I'm taking you, guys, it's called gay beach. You

709
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: cool with that the cool thing is he knew we

710
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: would be And I love that good point even more

711
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: good point he didn't even need to tell us.

712
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Good point. But I'm not sure how much of this

713
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: we have not said publicly. I think we've mentioned how

714
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: wearred before. But this is to be in this place

715
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: and to be here on this day begged for us

716
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: to hop on the microphone and lets you all know

717
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: about somebody that's very special to us on this day

718
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: and to say, rest in peace, Howard. We love you.

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00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: We're still thinking about you and we will for the

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Speaker 1: rest of our lives. And with this gift that you

721
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: have given to us, and with that, folks, we always

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you spending some time with us. I am T. J.

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Speaker 1: Holmes On behalf of my dear Amyl robach In Porta

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Speaker 1: Yodka Mehicol