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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 3: the Steerer's Audio Network, alongside Matt Williams. And I'm Rob

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Speaker 3: King filling in for f Dale Lolly. Yeah, off today

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Speaker 3: and so we are talking all things combine and we're

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Speaker 1: In a little programming note too, it's official we're not

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Speaker 1: we'll be back on schedule Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Dale

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Speaker 1: and I be rolling along from there. Good deal, don't

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Speaker 1: look for one tomorrow, folks.

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Speaker 3: Good deal, that's outstanding. So what are your over arching

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Speaker 3: Are there any overarching thoughts you got from your time

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Speaker 3: these acts spurts. And we had the guy good guess Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Harmon Harmon Wide Receiver dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Yeahah, got a lot of good comments from our guests,

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Speaker 1: Greg cos every year we always did well. Yeah, Now

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Speaker 1: I got to say, pullback curtain. Our job is a

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Speaker 1: all the people that walk around the outside never see us.

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Speaker 3: And Ruts did the dismay of you and West in particular.

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Speaker 3: We we found ourselves in a shrimp free zone as well.

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Speaker 1: You're too far from the door, but get the dimy.

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Speaker 4: We didn't get the shrimp handouts right.

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Speaker 1: The Colts mascot was walking around with Saint Elmo's single shrimp,

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Speaker 1: So Anthony Richardson comes to mind, Like, I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 1: And it was nice to see one of the mutant

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Speaker 3: But it makes me wonder as we go into this

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Speaker 1: saying things like I listened to your podcast. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and now he's done really really well and the first

437
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Speaker 1: time I ever met him in person. So that kind

438
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Speaker 1: of stuff is cool. I don't know why, but this

439
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 1: year the bar scene and restaurant scene was a little

440
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Speaker 1: lighter just wherever we ended up in terms of NFL

441
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 1: people than usual because a lot of times people in

442
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Speaker 1: the biz, you know that these guys are you know,

443
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Speaker 1: reporters and whatnot, don't sleep much in Indie. They get

444
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Speaker 1: up early, they have meetings with agents, They roam around

445
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Speaker 1: Starbucks and bump into whoever, and they hang late in

446
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Speaker 1: the bars. You know, like we kind of were our

447
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Speaker 1: own little crew and just did our own thing and

448
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be at the busiest bar with all

449
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Speaker 1: the head coaches and all that. But you can find

450
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Speaker 1: that stuff there if you want. It's very plentiful, and

451
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Speaker 1: I know where to go that it's gonna be loaded

452
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Speaker 1: with NFL people, But the Beers are more expensive and

453
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Speaker 1: it's louder, and I'm old, and I don't care that much,

454
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I'm not there. I'm

455
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Speaker 1: not you know, scooping things either?

456
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Speaker 4: Did you? Is this?

457
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Speaker 1: Uh?

458
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Speaker 3: So you go into a combine every year You've done

459
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Speaker 3: this for how many years? Where you're evaluating drafts. I

460
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Speaker 3: mean you used to do it as a as a

461
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Speaker 3: you know, you used to get.

462
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Speaker 4: Right to do it right.

463
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Speaker 1: Since the brown days. I mean that was Ben's rookie year.

464
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Speaker 1: I was with the Browns. And I've been in some

465
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Speaker 1: form of media every year since ten years at ESPN

466
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Speaker 1: and then everyone since I don't I don't think I

467
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Speaker 1: haven't been to every combine in that time, but everyone

468
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Speaker 1: during the ESPN time, and the Steelers have sent me,

469
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Speaker 1: I want to say, twelve or fifteen years in a row.

470
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing.

471
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Speaker 3: Do you find that your opinion on a player two

472
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Speaker 3: changes between when you go into the combine and when

473
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Speaker 3: the team when the draft actually occurs.

474
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Speaker 1: Yes, But my problem is I don't scout these draft

475
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Speaker 1: players all year round like Saturday, if I'm home alone,

476
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Speaker 1: I'll watch college football, but there's a good chance i'm

477
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: at bed, bath and beyond or whatever, you know what

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm not to lead to college football,

479
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: and I hope Pitt wins, but I don't really care,

480
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not a pit fan like Wes

481
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Speaker 1: is a WU fan or whatever. If I put on

482
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Speaker 1: a college football game, I do my research of who

483
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Speaker 1: are the guys people are looking at in the draft.

484
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Speaker 1: Oh that's my first look at that left tackle. But

485
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Speaker 1: I'm not like taking notes, you know, like, oh, he's

486
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Speaker 1: pretty impressive, and I know the names. So I'm always

487
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Speaker 1: really late to the draft party because really after the

488
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, I mean, I'm much more pro than college

489
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Speaker 1: year round, especially Steeler related, of course, but I'm on

490
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Speaker 1: top of all those free agents, so I would say

491
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Speaker 1: right now I'm probably it's step six or seven out

492
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Speaker 1: of ten in my draft prep. But there's a long

493
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Speaker 1: time I'm at one or two or three, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: just because i feel like I'm catching up, and even

495
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: like when the Senior Bowl happens, I only know about

496
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Speaker 1: half those names when the ross are announced. When the

497
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Speaker 1: sceneable's over, I know all one hundred or whatever.

498
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Speaker 4: You know.

499
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Speaker 1: So that's a great jump there, and they're all going

500
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Speaker 1: to get drafted, and then after the combine, I know

501
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Speaker 1: the majority of them, and now I learned two or

502
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Speaker 1: three new names a day or man, my opinion did

503
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Speaker 1: change on him because I had very little knowledge of him,

504
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Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, to me, I went the draft

505
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Speaker 1: to be as late as possible because I'm always, always,

506
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Speaker 1: always learned, right, you know what I mean.

507
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Speaker 3: Sure, fresh off the combine, I'm with it fresh in

508
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Speaker 3: your mind. Is it too early to say whether a

509
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Speaker 3: player two has leapt up or diminished in your opinion?

510
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Speaker 1: No, I think they change. I mean, in my opinion

511
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Speaker 1: they changed drastically because I'm not firm on my stance

512
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Speaker 1: early in my process. But they're definitely. I mean, the

513
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Speaker 1: teams could tell you otherwise. But they're moving their boards

514
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Speaker 1: around a lot. I mean, there's a big reason all

515
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Speaker 1: teams had all their scouts in before the combine and

516
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Speaker 1: they actually build a board. Now it's not set in stone.

517
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Speaker 1: They're not drafting off that board, but it won't be

518
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Speaker 1: long until they have them back in and be like,

519
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: we were too high on this running back. Move that

520
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: magnet down, you know, and then they have the final

521
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: ones where they set their board, and that's when the

522
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Speaker 1: fights happen. That's when you stand on the table for

523
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Speaker 1: your guy or man, I couldn't stand this dude to

524
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Speaker 1: combine or there's no way he fits our system. And

525
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Speaker 1: coaches are a lot more involved too, So it's ever

526
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Speaker 1: changing for sure.

527
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Speaker 3: When we see something like more running backs maybe creeping

528
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Speaker 3: into the first round of.

529
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Speaker 5: The draft, yeah, is that because it tells me a

530
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Speaker 5: couple things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think they're safe. Rookie high picks. Running backs

532
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Speaker 1: are usually pretty useful in round one or in year one.

533
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Speaker 1: I mean, nause us, a rookie was a good football player.

534
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Speaker 1: I don't think this first round is very strong. So

535
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Speaker 1: if I take Hampton from North Carolina or Henderson from

536
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, he's gonna help me save my job or

537
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the ball a lot. I also think

538
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Speaker 1: the running backs don't matter a conversation. It's starting to

539
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: fall apart. But I also believe that Saquon Barkley never

540
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: left the Giants. The Eagles still could have won the

541
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and the Giants couldn't. I mean, they weren't

542
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Speaker 1: going to be a contender with I mean, he's still

543
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: the cherry on top. You got to build the Sunday

544
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Speaker 1: with Lane Johnson and Jordan Malatta and a defense and

545
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Speaker 1: aj Brown and Hertz, and then you put the running

546
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Speaker 1: back in the mix. But I do think people are

547
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Speaker 1: more prone to investing in running backs. Like I said

548
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Speaker 1: this on the air, it's mind boggling if people didn't

549
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: happen to know this. Saquon Barkley's contract with the Eagles

550
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: is almost identical to Gabe Davis's. Right, You know who

551
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: was a free agent receiver that the jag signed from

552
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: the Bills who was kind of a name. He's a three,

553
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: he's a four. Steeler fans remember him. Well, But who

554
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Speaker 1: would you rather have? I mean, Dave Davis is pretty replaceable.

555
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Speaker 3: Well, if you put let's just say, for argument's sake,

556
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Speaker 3: you're going to put Chase and Jefferson to the top

557
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Speaker 3: of the scale receiver, and you're gonna put Derrick Henry

558
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Speaker 3: and Barkley top of the scale running back.

559
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Speaker 4: Just let's just use that as a premise. Yeah, it is.

560
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Speaker 4: And I guess the drop.

561
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Speaker 3: Off between there and say the twelfth best guy must

562
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Speaker 3: be so great because I understand the impact they have

563
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Speaker 3: on a team.

564
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Speaker 4: There's a trickle down effect.

565
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Speaker 3: Teams have to play looser, teams have to put their

566
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Speaker 3: best players on Jamar Chase.

567
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Speaker 4: But somebody up the running.

568
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe it opens up the lane for the

569
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Speaker 3: running backs and that sort of thing. Although you make

570
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Speaker 3: the argument the other way around. It's just interesting to me,

571
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Speaker 3: and I brought this up to you. I think at

572
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Speaker 3: the combine, a guy who's going to touch the ball

573
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Speaker 3: when you count receptions too three and a half times

574
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Speaker 3: more than Jamar Chase is going to be paid one

575
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Speaker 3: third less than Jamar Chase. And people just say, well,

576
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Speaker 3: that's the price of doing business. That's the way it

577
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Speaker 3: is in the NFL.

578
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not apples to oranges, but it's a really goodization.

579
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Speaker 4: It is an apples to orange.

580
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Speaker 1: Because I would much rather invest in a receiver in

581
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Speaker 1: terms of their longevity and ability to stay on the field.

582
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Speaker 1: Running backs have a tough life and they have a

583
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: short life. You know, Henry's anomaly, I mean McCaffrey's an anomaly,

584
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: Barkley's becoming and most of these guys don't last. But

585
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: I wonder, I'm curious what your opinion is because I

586
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: don't have that answer. But I was thinking about this

587
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: as you were phrasing the question. If I phrase one

588
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: right back at you the Steelers last year, would they

589
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: run the ball better if I replaced Van Jefferson with

590
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase? Or would they run the ball better if

591
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: I replaced Nausey Harris with Saquon Barkley. I'm not sure

592
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: I'd be a lot harder to stack the box, right, Chase?

593
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm going here?

594
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Speaker 3: I do think it's a trickle down. In fact that

595
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: I think it's a false equivalence because.

596
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Speaker 1: Someone might be screaming it's Barkley or Chase. I don't

597
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Speaker 1: know the answer.

598
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: You could make the same argument and say, well, you know,

599
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: Patrick Queen makes twice as many tackles as t J.

600
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Speaker 4: Watt, Why is he being paid?

601
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Speaker 1: Because tackling is easier than sacking, exactly, And I can

602
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: more dudes that do that. But I so, and there's

603
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: more people walking around the planet that look like running

604
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: backs than left tackle.

605
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: Yes, and I know there's that part too, and I

606
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: understand it's a false equivalence, but I do wonder if

607
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: maybe teams will begin to reevaluate that running back position.

608
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: I wonder is that it went through the reason one

609
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 4: direction is that.

610
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: Part of the reason running backs have crept up in

611
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: these mock drafts is it because the scuttle butt.

612
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Speaker 4: With team officials.

613
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, there's more really good impact type running backs,

614
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: or there's.

615
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: Also a lot of landing spots. I could come up

616
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: with five or six teams. There are pretty light on running.

617
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: Backs right now, which is conversely, these guys tested and

618
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: you know what we we don't love the top end

619
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Speaker 3: of this, say, defensive tackle classes, right, So do those

620
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: things to those two things combined? Because I think, give,

621
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Speaker 3: you're the Steelers and you're twenty one. You know, uh,

622
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: three weeks ago you're thinking, okay, we could get uh Walter.

623
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Speaker 4: Nolan in round one at defensive tackle.

624
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Speaker 3: We get Trayvon Henderson in round two from Ohio State.

625
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: You know, we were looking for defensive tackles and we're

626
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: looking for game breakers in our skill position. Boom, we

627
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: got them both done. Well, now, I'm not sure you're

628
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: getting either one of those guys No. One in the

629
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Speaker 3: first round or Trayvon Henderson in the second round.

630
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: You know, right, I bet you don't do on the

631
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: both of them.

632
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: So how do you then reevaluate what you're doing, what

633
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: you're going to do, and how you're going to do it.

634
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: So let's look at it this way. I think Genty

635
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: is a top three player in this draft. Does I

636
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: mean I'd take him third, but just a grade regardless

637
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: of position. Maybe he's even one, you know, Hunter Carter

638
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: or whoever. But it's a much better year to be

639
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: Rashad Genty this year than last year. So think about

640
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: last year's first round. There were six quarterbacks taken in

641
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: the first round. There was a handful of receivers a

642
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: doonsay neighbors Marvin Harrison Junior that are all supreme prospects

643
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: at their position, and all the tackles, I mean, Steelers

644
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: benefited from that too. There's tons of tackles. So if

645
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: I'm gentie and I came out last year, you might

646
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: get him at twenty one because people are taking tackles

647
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks and receivers, right, you know this year, you know,

648
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: is he better than Mason Graham or you know, I mean,

649
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: like the guys at the top aren't no brainers at

650
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: premium pick a premium positions, right, So he has a

651
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: much better chance in this draft to get drafted a

652
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: lot higher than if he had come out a year ago.

653
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Speaker 1: Might be close in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I think, and I know you podcasted about this, but

655
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Speaker 3: I think one of your one of the interesting positions

656
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Speaker 3: in this year's draft is corner. And I go back

657
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Speaker 3: to something that you know, Mike Tomlin was talking to

658
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Speaker 3: the media last year at the general manager's meetings, and

659
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Speaker 3: it always used to be, or seemed to used to

660
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Speaker 3: be that you know, you needed you draft a corner,

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Speaker 3: even if you draft him high, he's gonna take some

662
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Speaker 3: time to develop.

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Speaker 1: You know, think you know he's gonna get picked on

664
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Speaker 1: as a rookie, he's Champ Bailey or Woodson. You know,

665
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Speaker 1: they're at least going to test them.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so Mike, Mike Tomlins said, you know, it's

667
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: it's more corners are coming in NFL ready than they

668
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Speaker 3: used to be, which takes the question why, and the

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Speaker 3: answer I think is a lot of those seven on

670
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Speaker 3: seven passing drills that are going on around the country.

671
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Speaker 3: So you could probably get more polished from both positions receiver,

672
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Speaker 3: but certainly corners as a position that was much.

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Speaker 4: More difficult to develop at the NFL level.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, again it seems to me, like,

675
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Speaker 3: you know, I called Travis Cunner, let's forget him and

676
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Speaker 3: get him out of the equation.

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Speaker 4: How many first round corners are there?

678
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Speaker 3: And can is that another position you could maybe get

679
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Speaker 3: some value in the second round? Will those guys be done?

680
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Speaker 3: Are you going to wind up? You know when I

681
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Speaker 3: look at these.

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Speaker 1: So I don't last, but you don't give any starting

683
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Speaker 1: corners in the third day, right or even like third

684
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Speaker 1: round or beyond.

685
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Speaker 3: When I was looking at mock drafts early in the process,

686
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Speaker 3: and I just spilled the beans that the guys that

687
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Speaker 3: I thought the Steelers might take weren't going to be

688
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Speaker 3: there at twenty one. In my own little model draft, right,

689
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Speaker 3: which which will be out tomorrow, Well, it'll be on

690
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Speaker 3: this Steelers. It's telling I'm going to put it out,

691
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: tweeting it out, Rob Kings mock draft one point zero,

692
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Speaker 3: that's not going to happen. But you know, I remember

693
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Speaker 3: reading earlier drafts and thinking mock drafts and thinking, no way,

694
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Speaker 3: they're no way they're taking this player when Matthew Grant's there,

695
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Speaker 3: No way they're taking this player when uh, you know,

696
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Speaker 3: I had one. I saw one mock draft they had

697
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Speaker 3: Will Johnson fall into this Steelers. And now as we

698
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Speaker 3: get a little further in the process, I'm a little

699
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Speaker 3: less certain that those people that appear. And again I'm

700
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Speaker 3: not scout, but I'm just reading you're watching tape, I'm

701
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Speaker 3: reading evaluations that, uh that it's.

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Speaker 4: It might get kind of interesting at that twenty one position.

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Speaker 1: Now, as mentioned, I've done this a long time, and

704
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: at no point do we have to digest so much

705
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Speaker 1: information in such a short amount of time as as

706
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Speaker 1: soon as the seeniblels or as soon as the combine's over,

707
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Speaker 1: because you know, we got hit with a title wave

708
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: of numbers and rumors and blah blah blah. So you'll

709
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Speaker 1: start to feel more comfortable with the class a week

710
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Speaker 1: from now, et cetera. So you don't want to get crazy.

711
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Speaker 1: But as I sit right here in early February, Monday

712
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Speaker 1: after the combine, I don't know who I feel confident

713
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Speaker 1: has a real good chance to be there, and I'd

714
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Speaker 1: be real excited about you know, like last year, I'm like,

715
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Speaker 1: there'll be a tackle there, maybe it's you know, maybe

716
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Speaker 1: it's for Waga, you know, but I'd be fine with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, right now, there's like three defensive tackles that

718
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Speaker 1: i'd like in round one quite a bit. I don't

719
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Speaker 1: know if any of them are going to be there.

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Speaker 1: Am I excited about using receiver pick there? You might

721
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: already have Cooper cup and pickings or whatever and be like, eh,

722
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Speaker 1: I like the corners a lot. But we've also talked

723
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Speaker 1: about there's a good chance they probably spend money on

724
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Speaker 1: a corner. I don't know. I mean, I don't feel

725
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Speaker 1: great right now where they're picking for their needs, but

726
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Speaker 1: that's subject to change.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, especially uh, just quickly, when you when

728
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Speaker 3: I think about last year's draft, and I made this

729
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Speaker 3: point with you when we're talking to the combine, I

730
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Speaker 3: think you could reasonably say, certainly through the first several rounds,

731
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Speaker 3: that everybody the Steelers drafted was projected to go or

732
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Speaker 3: reasonably could have been expected to go higher at Zach Frazier.

733
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Speaker 3: You're waiting now after that, after Powers Johnson has taken,

734
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Speaker 3: are you going to be able to get that center

735
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Speaker 3: that you might have already had ranked higher?

736
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Speaker 4: Anyway?

737
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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden you get them late in

738
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Speaker 3: the second round, and then look who you ping In

739
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Speaker 3: the third round. You get Mason McCormick, who's starting for

740
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Speaker 3: your right guard in the fourth round.

741
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Speaker 1: But they didn't need they had to have a high grade.

742
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Speaker 3: Right right, and so and there you go. And you know,

743
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Speaker 3: I suspect that's the way it's going to happen because

744
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: this dude the other way.

745
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the students seem to do great.

746
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Speaker 1: We're getting change every.

747
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Speaker 3: Right, interesting stuff, fun stuff, more stuff, more interesting stuff,

748
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Speaker 3: we hope, and fun stuff coming up. We continue on

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Speaker 3: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: List is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

751
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

752
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Speaker 2: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. Filling in for Dale Lollie. I'm

755
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: Rob King along with Matt Williamson. Is always uh Matt

756
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: wrapping things up here? Is there a so so defensive tackle?

757
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

758
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: And running back? Right?

759
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: So?

760
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Speaker 4: Well, I think.

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Speaker 1: They'll draft one of those two, Like I would like

762
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Speaker 1: bet my mortgage on that right now.

763
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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna draft both.

764
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Speaker 1: Yes, what I mean, yeah, both? I think both those

765
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Speaker 1: will be picked And I'm a when where who? But

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Speaker 1: I think they will be drafted.

767
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Speaker 3: So and I think, like I said before, I would

768
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Speaker 3: not be surprised if they completely reworked their defensive tackle

769
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: rumor or had did it. And and also, you know,

770
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Speaker 3: you and I talked about this. It brings up the

771
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Speaker 3: question of the nose tackle and the nose tackle type.

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Speaker 4: You know, and I'm gonna to catch twenty two big

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Speaker 4: proponent of that.

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Speaker 3: I love it, but how much are you gonna play

775
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: it unless it's a guy who's gonna actually change what

776
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: you do.

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Speaker 1: It's sure been nice to have Casey Hampton against the Ravens.

778
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: Sure, but that's but that's once a year, twice a year.

779
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: That's three to four games a year where a guy's

780
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: gonna play more than what twenty five percent of the snaps. Yeah,

781
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Speaker 3: it's hard for me to think that that's the way

782
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: to allocate money.

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Speaker 1: On a first round or a first round pick.

784
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, have the first round draft pick, and

785
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Speaker 3: especially since that seems like a position that that might

786
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Speaker 3: be the guy you could get in the third or

787
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Speaker 3: fourth round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what I like about this draft too,

789
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: or many things, but there is there are nose tackle

790
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: types that I'd be very happy with in the third

791
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Speaker 1: and fourth and maybe fifth round more than usual, you know, right.

792
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: And I don't know that every team wants one, you know,

793
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: but they are coming back into vogue a little because

794
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: so many defenses schematically are no big plays. Cover four

795
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: to cover two, keep guys off the ball, defend the

796
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: run with lighter boxes. So I do think the will

797
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Forks and Hampton's of the world are starting to come

798
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: back in vogue. They were dinosaurs for a while. You

799
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Speaker 1: can't rush past I don't care about it, you know,

800
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Speaker 1: But now it's like, at least give me one dude

801
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: that eats up two blocks because I'm trying to defend

802
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: the run with a lighter box. Right. There are the

803
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Henrys and Barclays out there that are gladly going to

804
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: make it second and four and then first down, and

805
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: then second and four and then first down, you know, right,

806
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: So I do think there's a little more of that,

807
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: but they fall. I mean, you're a pretty much a

808
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: run stuffing nose, and there's a lot of them this year,

809
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: which I love. So do you take Kenneth Grant in

810
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: our first round? You know, I mean, right, he might

811
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Speaker 1: be more than that.

812
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Speaker 3: I think that guy's almost almost has to play tackle

813
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: for you. That tackle, and that Cam Hayward type of

814
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: thing opposite him almost has to play a lot of

815
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: that's at five techniques.

816
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: At least on third downs or nickel and dime. He

817
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: at least has to be in the equation, right. I mean,

818
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: when there's only so many snaps, there's only two three

819
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: hundred pounders on the field, that's right. And is Grant

820
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: better than Benton or Hayward or Orogan Jobi or all

821
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: of them? Maybe not, but he might be a year

822
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Speaker 1: from now. I mean, Cam's not gonna be there forever,

823
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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of upside there. There's almost no

824
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Speaker 1: right answer. And I used to say this all the time.

825
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Speaker 1: And the Steelers with Hampton is when they played Brady,

826
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Speaker 1: he would just get in the shotgun and throw it

827
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Speaker 1: every snap out of make you go nickel right, and

828
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: big hamp would be on the sideline right. But if

829
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Speaker 1: you didn't have that guy, they would come in with

830
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Speaker 1: two tight ends and hand the ball to running back

831
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Speaker 1: of the fullback and force you to play without that guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, as we sit here now and again there's

833
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: a couple months away, there's free agency, there's so much

834
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Speaker 3: to go on. But I'm always intrigued by the notion

835
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Speaker 3: of going completely opposite to what we're talking about, Like, yeah,

836
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Speaker 3: defensive tackle, running back, corner, receiver. Nobody's gonna be shocked

837
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Speaker 3: if one of those positions is who the Steelers taking

838
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Speaker 3: the first round. And of course there's the rest of

839
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: the draft just still go on. But that em and

840
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Speaker 3: worry the safety.

841
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Speaker 1: Because I've been taking it around.

842
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: Is there a guy in which you'd say, well, we

843
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: might have to tweak what we do a little bit,

844
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: but he's so athletic, he's so good, we can find

845
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: a place for a football player like that. He can

846
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: play some nickel although you I don't know as you

847
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: want a guy that big chasing around a one hundred

848
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: and seventy pounds slot receiver.

849
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: Big nickel corners of the way this leaves go. And

850
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Speaker 1: though because you don't have to defend them long, I

851
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: mean they probably you don't have to defend him two

852
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: seconds or so. And then he got safety sport over

853
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Speaker 1: the top, and.

854
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Speaker 4: He helps you in the running game too because he's.

855
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Speaker 1: Massively Yes, and so many of these slot corners, the

856
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: branches of the world have really brought their team to

857
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: a new level. And I never considered there's two safeties

858
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Speaker 1: Anna Warre who you mentioned, and Starks from Georgia that

859
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: are really intriguing prospects that any defense would have loved

860
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Speaker 1: to have. The Ravens didn't the col Hamilton when they

861
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Speaker 1: drafted him, Boy, he elevated him because he could do

862
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: so much. And you could play a lot of big

863
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Speaker 1: nickel with three safeties on the field. But that means Peyton,

864
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Wilson or Queen is probably off the field. You can't

865
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Speaker 1: take corners off the field necessarily. He could take a

866
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Speaker 1: slot corner off. One of those guys could be your

867
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Speaker 1: big beanie Bishop and you're a lot harder to run

868
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Speaker 1: against a nickel, which was a problem for the Steelers.

869
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Speaker 1: That would be I'd have to know how free agency goes, right.

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Speaker 4: But there's a different solution to the same problem, yeah,

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Speaker 4: which is you're trying to bulk up against the run.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and as opposed to a three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: pound guy, it's a two hundred and twenty pounds safety

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Speaker 1: that does everything well right and gives you a lot

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Speaker 1: of versatility. You play calls, or he could play man

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Speaker 1: against a back or Kelsey or Andrews or whatever. So

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Speaker 1: I'm open to that where I wasn't before. Just give

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Speaker 1: me good football players and I'll get my best eleven

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Speaker 1: out there, you know what I mean, and figured it

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Speaker 1: out from there. I think Maka can play in the box,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I think it's intriguing. That's at the very least intriguing

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Speaker 3: with what you could do, especially.

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Speaker 1: The guys that you're targeting you get shut out on.

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Speaker 4: That's That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You're sitting there at twenty one. He's the best football player.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I think the series have

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Speaker 3: done such a great job with and going back to

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Speaker 3: Kevin Colbert and continuing on with Dan Colbert again, we

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Speaker 3: identify this as as part of the reason that sets

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Speaker 3: you up for that is having that that that good

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Speaker 3: solid team around you before you make the selection, but

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Speaker 3: also understanding that great players, great players have a trickle

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Speaker 3: down effect and they don't have to be you know

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Speaker 3: you want do you want to tackle? Sure, you're drafting

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Speaker 3: in the twenties every year, You're not going.

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Speaker 1: To get Joel You're not gonna get Jamar Chase, You're

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Speaker 1: not getting You're not getting right right right unless you

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Speaker 1: average draft position is like twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four unless you get a blue chipper at a different

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Speaker 3: position than everybody else's coveting, right, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Right, exactly.

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Speaker 4: All right, Okay, so that's it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me filling in, Rob King filling in

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Speaker 3: for Dale Lollie, and of course that's Matt Williamson.

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