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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: And we had Julian Edelman here watching practice today. I

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Speaker 2: wonder if they're asking his opinion.

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Speaker 1: While you're here.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 2: Julian said to the rookies, you're too young.

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Speaker 5: You're too young.

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Speaker 1: You know, last few practices, me and Evan watched up top,

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Speaker 1: Paul's been down below with the note alls.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: Look, I was critical of Mac on Tuesday because, unlike

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Speaker 6: some of my colleagues, I have a pretty high standard.

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Speaker 5: It was about ten twenty that he left and he

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Speaker 5: came back ten five.

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Speaker 2: Well, he has to go through security, so it takes

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Speaker 2: him longer.

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Speaker 5: Thirteen eighty you know whatever, that's a drive. Well, no,

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Speaker 5: it's a scripted situation. They put the ball.

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Speaker 1: At a yard line, right, it's a drive ahead.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not a drive because if the play is incomplete,

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Speaker 5: it goes to the four yard line. The next well,

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Speaker 5: a drive would be we have to complete a pass

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Speaker 5: to get it to the fourth. So I just want

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Speaker 5: to make sure that the listeners understand what actually happened,

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Speaker 5: all right, not what you call.

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Speaker 1: Who's the third receiver on this team?

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Speaker 6: Tomaro Douglas.

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Speaker 2: We made a little news here though. Paul Perillo says

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Speaker 2: that the Mario Douglas is the third best receiver on

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Speaker 2: this team.

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Speaker 5: I think he's the best guy for the role, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and again Evan Lazarre said that, just just to repeat,

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Speaker 5: take my name out of your mind.

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Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday. Here,

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Speaker 2: it's Let's Stadium, and we're doing a little early Patriots

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Speaker 2: Unfiltered because practices this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Feel like we should be watching din or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, uh and all that stuff literally series. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but we'll be here from ten to twelve it's Deuce,

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Speaker 2: it's Evan, it's Paul, it's myself, it's Matt and the

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Speaker 2: booth talking Patriots. This is our last regular Patriots unfiltered

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Speaker 2: this week because on Thursday, we have our first preseason

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Speaker 2: game and we'll also have our first pre and postgame show.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And that's gonna be from what four thirty to thirty

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Speaker 2: to six thirty on Thursday, And I'm assuming hard he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be here.

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Speaker 1: Hardy will be okay, great, he's excited. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Good to have him back for another season. This is

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Speaker 2: what is twentieth season with us, I believe.

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Speaker 5: I believe so, And we'll have so four thirty to

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Speaker 5: six thirty. We're gonna pencil in at about four forty

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Speaker 5: six the Jaws talk. See if we can get back

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Speaker 5: to that always yeah, okay, we always working.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's a big segment on John. It's a big

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Speaker 2: week here at j Lette Stadium. You know, you're always

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Speaker 2: the intrigue is who gets who plays and for how

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Speaker 2: besides Pop Douglas who's been popping. Keishan Bhute has been

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Speaker 1: He has been getting a lot of love. But I

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Speaker 2: So but that's my sticking on, just sticking on Booty,

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Speaker 1: I just I think it's I think it's a problem

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Speaker 1: He could fight for the ball.

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Speaker 1: He made that catch.

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Speaker 5: Like, just because the guy made an incredible individual play

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Speaker 5: That was a great catch yesterday, as Mike said, in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even from the get go, I mean early in camp,

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Speaker 5: Parker's another one who's made like a play every practice,

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Speaker 5: High point deep faths that's what they.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be so, Like I said, I think I think

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Speaker 2: the receivers have been okay, I don't see yet is okay.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots are going to be tough to defend. And

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Speaker 2: But you just hope with his size he can hold

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also hard to extrapolate him as you

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Speaker 5: know what, just pencil him in for seventy eighty catches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe you know. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He's been impressive. I think he's been certainly something to

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Speaker 5: is something to open everything up and I'm not talking

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Speaker 5: and I don't think right now unless Thornton emerges as that.

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Speaker 5: you know exactly right about Parker. They're gonna throw him

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Speaker 5: A chance you're missing four offensive linemen. You know, if

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Cunningham might get actually, do you think

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Speaker 5: That's my time, boys, twos and girls, everybody. Malik Cunningham.

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Speaker 5: We can too, screen it, right, Freddy.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots announced on Sunday that they're going to have

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Speaker 1: Stuff across the stream.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. I I'm I'm I guess I'm happy

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Speaker 2: They turn the preseason game into like variety shows, you know,

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Speaker 2: Those do you remember, you know whatever that's June that

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Speaker 1: I did not know the reference A variety show, be fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh why did you break that news?

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: you know it's something like that. They'll play with it

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but generally speaking, you know it's gonna

441
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Speaker 1: be why is this going to be the hand down

442
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,879
Speaker 1: defensive end on the one edge and you're gonna have

443
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Speaker 1: this guy standing on the other usually when they're coming.

444
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Speaker 5: When I saw the Flowers visit yesterday, I was thinking, well,

445
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Speaker 5: this is this is like prototypical bill, you know, get

446
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Speaker 5: them in. He's been hurt a lot. We'll see, you know,

447
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,919
Speaker 5: where he is physically, and then down the road if

448
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Speaker 5: I need to call on them, i'll know what I have.

449
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Speaker 6: Then the next day, I think he's twenty seven or

450
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Speaker 6: twenty eight. I wrote it in the article that is

451
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 6: he's young. Yeah he's not right.

452
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Speaker 1: August sixteenth, ninety three. But still that's like he's been

453
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Speaker 1: around forever.

454
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think. You know, last year they carried

455
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Speaker 6: Jamie Collins on the practice squad for most of the year,

456
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Speaker 6: and he was around and some of the players talked

457
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Speaker 6: about believe it or not, I didn't think of Jamie

458
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Speaker 6: Collins in this light, but as a mentor, as somebody

459
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Speaker 6: that was.

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Speaker 5: I think Troy Flowers could could be in that role, right,

461
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Speaker 5: I did not think Jamie Jamie Collins was.

462
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but people talked a lot of positive things about

463
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Speaker 6: Jamie Collins just as a locker room guy last year.

464
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Speaker 6: And I wonder if Trey Flowers comes in shows key

465
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Speaker 6: On White a few things, takes him under his wing.

466
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Speaker 5: All right, now, he did one sentence. I think the list.

467
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Speaker 6: I think that is. I'm more hoping that it's that

468
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Speaker 6: than him actually playing instead of ke On White. But

469
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Speaker 6: if you think about how they would ideally use ke

470
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Speaker 6: On White, it's exactly how they used to use Trey Flowers.

471
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Speaker 6: So I think that that's where my head is at.

472
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Speaker 6: Is it Hopefully it's it's more of a mentorship.

473
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Speaker 5: But that makes great union didn't even think of it.

474
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 5: That makes great sense because you can't get Keyon White.

475
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Speaker 5: I mean, he's got to be on your roster. He's

476
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 5: a luck as a second round pick. But you can

477
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Speaker 5: get Trey Flowers on your practice squad.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, another guy who is kind of, you know, flashing

479
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more and more is Jack Jones. A

480
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Speaker 2: lot of people I've heard I saw one one of

481
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Speaker 2: Paul's people on Twitter say that they thought he was

482
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Speaker 2: the best cornerback on the team.

483
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't agree with that. I think he makes plays

484
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Speaker 1: on the ball. I think he's a good player.

485
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Speaker 5: I mean every practice is going to knock down or

486
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Speaker 5: pick off a ten yard out every practice.

487
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Speaker 1: But I think he's also going to get up a

488
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Speaker 1: lot of balls down the field. On the field, I

489
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: think he's a little volatile too. I just like, you know,

490
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Speaker 1: there's an element of I feel like we'll have ups

491
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: and downs with him, like he'll make a great play

492
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: on the ball and then you know he'll and then

493
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: I get beat.

494
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 5: So I thought he really strug.

495
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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for his situation, I'd be starting to

496
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: get excited for him. But I'm not gonna go there

497
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: because I don't want to be disappointed.

498
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he's played as well as evidently

499
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 5: people are writing because I don't really read a lot

500
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 5: of that stuff.

501
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Speaker 1: He hasn't played a lot of high level snaps until

502
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones has been out a little bit, and now

503
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Speaker 1: he's kind of sniffing.

504
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Speaker 5: It but I think he's been uneven. I think he's

505
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 5: made a lot of really good plays. I've seen a

506
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Speaker 5: lot of standout pass break up. Yes, I've also seen

507
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 5: a lot of completions.

508
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's kind of.

509
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Speaker 6: Only we only charted the past break up, correct.

510
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Speaker 5: I think it's been feast or famine a little bit

511
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Speaker 5: with Jack Jones.

512
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Speaker 2: I just I just think he's active, he's fast, he's

513
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: got decent instincts. Yeah, it just needs to be harnessed

514
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: a little bit. And that comes from obviously playing and coaching.

515
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Speaker 2: But you know, like I said, if it wasn't for

516
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 2: the situation, I'd be like, Okay, you know, we've got

517
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Speaker 2: some depth there.

518
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Speaker 1: He's a good third I mean he's like I think

519
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: he's a great third corner. You know, it's the rotational piece,

520
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: like it gives you some flexibility to put Jay Jones inside.

521
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: But we'll see what's up with Jonathan Jones.

522
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: Gonzales continues, you know, to prove that he's a worthy

523
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: he's the corner.

524
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

525
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Speaker 2: I mean then I think for the first time, I

526
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Speaker 2: would say this is the best step they've had a

527
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: corner in a while.

528
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least since nineteen nineteen. Yeah, with JC and

529
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones and Stefan Gilmore. Yeayeah.

530
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Speaker 6: I think with Jack Jones off field stuff aside, you

531
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Speaker 6: have two guys in Gonzales and John Jones who are

532
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Speaker 6: really really steady man coverage guys that don't get burned

533
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Speaker 6: too often. And then you have your ballhawk on the

534
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Speaker 6: other side, and maybe he can take some more chances

535
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Speaker 6: to make some plays and play a little bit more

536
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 6: of his style of football because you have you know,

537
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Speaker 6: Gonzo's gonna take the number one and John Jones is

538
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Speaker 6: going to take the top slot guy, and you already

539
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Speaker 6: have those bases covered and he's sort of the third

540
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Speaker 6: guy that's allowed to ball. But to me, he's he's

541
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Speaker 6: their best ballhawk. Yes he's he's there J C. Jackson

542
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 6: right now, but in terms of down to down consistency,

543
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 6: that's that's not his game. So if he's the third

544
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 6: corner and he's just free to just kind of do

545
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 6: his thing, then I I don't necessarily mind it. But

546
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Speaker 6: if you're counting on Jack Jones to be your guy

547
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 6: against AJ Brown in Week one, then I'm not so

548
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 6: sure how excited about that I would be.

549
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to make that plan now with

550
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Speaker 1: the uncertainty. I mean, he seems very confident on Twitter

551
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: that you know, the truth shall set him free, like

552
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of cryptic stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

553
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: he's xing a lot, he's exing it out.

554
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 5: I think with that lawyer that he wouldn't be doing

555
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 5: any of that.

556
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Uh, just it's it's a it's

557
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: a big question mark right now. And I mean, just

558
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Speaker 1: you know, again, Jonathan Jones has now missed three practices,

559
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: so I don't know what that is. But I don't

560
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: think they got great depth. And if you don't know,

561
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: you know what up with Jack? I mean, all of

562
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: a sudden you're looking at Gonzales and Marcus Jones and

563
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Miles Brian as your starting three.

564
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Speaker 5: Like it is funny because I did like they have

565
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 5: depth at safety and I think if you sort of

566
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Speaker 5: move some pieces around to haending on you know, Jalen

567
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 5: Mills as an example. But I agree with you. I

568
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 5: think that it's a little bit of a house of

569
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 5: cards at a few positions.

570
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: In corner is one of them.

571
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Speaker 5: And if Jack Jones is not part of the equation,

572
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 5: I don't think they have any depth there at all.

573
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Speaker 1: I mean Jonathan Jones is just so important, just because

574
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Speaker 1: it's so much he can do. I mean in the

575
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Speaker 1: leadership and the on field experience that he has replacing mccordy.

576
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's one to watch.

577
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 5: He'll be fine, Okay, Jonathan Jones will Yeah, No, I agree.

578
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 6: I agree with that minor.

579
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: I thought Cole Strange would be fine, and I haven't.

580
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Speaker 1: Seen him since.

581
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 5: I think he is. I think he is fine, Yeah,

582
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 5: I do. I mean, this is not based on anybody

583
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 5: telling me anything. I'm just watching. He's like he was

584
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 5: out a couple of days ago, he had the big

585
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 5: sleeve on his left leg. Yesterday when he was out,

586
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 5: he didn't have that on at all. I just think

587
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 5: they're being very, very very cautious, and I think that's

588
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 5: the way to go. He's not playing Thursday night. Just

589
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 5: let him get his his conditioning, you know, in check.

590
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 5: Hopefully that's the situation with Trent Brown. It's not a

591
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: major thing, you know, with a calf problem that he

592
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 5: had last year that caused him to miss some time.

593
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: That was one thing I was going to bring up,

594
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: like it kind of was weird to me that Trump

595
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: Brown got up to the podium and said he was injured.

596
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Like that's not usually the Patriot way of you know,

597
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: hurt guys coming up and admitting it on the in

598
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: front of the podium.

599
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: Like it's just weird.

600
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: I mean, he came out, he's got his helmet and

601
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: he just stands there and watches like I like, I

602
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't I don't get it. It just seems

603
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: weird to me, this whole situation.

604
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: But more importantly, will anybody be watching Hard Knocks?

605
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 8: No?

606
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 5: Oh that's tonight, right, yeah, yeah, someone will tell me

607
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 5: what was on.

608
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

609
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 5: I usually that's like the for whatever reason, the talk

610
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 5: shows love that stuff and they played the clips and

611
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: I know and I feel like I saw it, like

612
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 5: I don't have to watch.

613
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, all the good stuff will be on Twitter. Yeah,

614
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 6: so there's no reason to watch the.

615
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: Whole Not like that. Not a huge Hard Knocks fan

616
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: me neither. It's it's it's less about football now, it's

617
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: just more about the.

618
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 6: Well now it's even less about football because they're not

619
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 6: showing anybody get cut because the Jets think it's inhumane

620
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 6: to show people losing their jobs, so they're they're not

621
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 6: even doing the whole that whole dance anymore either.

622
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: If you're gonna get cut though, when you'd be like

623
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: put it on TV, I need a job, like get

624
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: it out there. Look, look how sad I look. Give

625
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: me some work.

626
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 5: It'd be funny if a dude just like looked into

627
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 5: the camera and go, yo, I'm available. Thirty one other

628
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 5: teams out there hit me up.

629
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: I I it'd be even better if they're like, you're

630
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: gonna cut me, you know, and I'll cut your chair

631
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: and throws it and you know, play at the cameras

632
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: the yeah, the drop that.

633
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 9: Team passed on me.

634
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 5: I think there there's a way if the show was

636
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 5: done like sort of you know, twenty four to seven access,

637
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 5: that it could be interesting.

638
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not. And you know what, you know,

639
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: it can't be done like that. So I think some

640
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: of the most interesting stuff to me, And it goes

641
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: back to the football life with Bill and O nine.

642
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: It's just when all the coaches are sitting around the

643
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: table and each position coach kind of runs through his

644
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: guys and talks about what's good, what's bad, what's going on,

645
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, and then the head coach kind of takes

646
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: it all and I just I think that stuff is

647
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: so interesting when you're getting you know, just kind of

648
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: not the hierarchy, but just kind of how the sausage

649
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: is made between the position coaches and analyzing their players,

650
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: feeding it to the coordinator and the head coach and

651
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: then you know those guys having to make the big

652
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: picture decisions. That that's the stuff I love, and you don't.

653
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: You don't really get that anymore. Like it's it's all

654
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: just dramatic music and they're like throwing pads around and

655
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: then you see, like, you know, somebody's girlfriend on the

656
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: sideline and they go give him a kiss, you know,

657
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: and then then practice is over all of a sudden,

658
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: like what do we get?

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Speaker 6: There's nothing, well because so a few years ago JJ

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Speaker 6: Watt mentioned that he picked up a snap count from

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Speaker 6: Hard Knocks, and ever since then, they've stripped it of

662
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Speaker 6: all of the good football stuff.

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Speaker 1: When he was like flipping the tire over, like he

664
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Speaker 1: would just like gratuitously out just do stupid stuff.

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Speaker 5: I don't like about it, and I know everybody hates

666
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 5: JJ Watt. I don't, but that's completely performative and they

667
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: and that happens every year. Somebody does that every year now,

668
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: JJ Watt's a huge personality, so he's the one that

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Speaker 5: he's the poster child for performing for the camera, right

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Speaker 5: hard O, Hardle on Hard.

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Speaker 6: Knocks, Hall of Fame, Harder Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There was one of him when they were on Hard

674
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Speaker 2: Knocks where it's like you know, dusk, you know, like

675
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: everybody's gone and he's out like still hitting the pat.

676
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Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm talking about, to where he's

677
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: like flipping a giant like wagon wheel over and stuff

678
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: like you know, like, oh god, the work never ends.

679
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: And the way that that stuff is edited, the injuries,

680
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 5: the way that stuff is edited and put together is

681
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: intentionally deceiving all the time. And some of the stories

682
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Speaker 5: that you know behind the scenes just like like I said,

683
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Speaker 5: I'll let other people will watch it, you know, when

684
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: when Rex Ryan is saying let's go get a goddamn snack,

685
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: I'm here for that that, you know, just to make

686
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 5: fun of it, you know, but you're not getting it.

687
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Speaker 1: There was that one.

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Speaker 6: It was like probably ten, Yeah, that was the year

689
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Speaker 6: Reeves held out, So I want to I want to

690
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Speaker 6: say it was nine or twenty twenty ten around there.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was when they were beating the Patriots,

692
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Speaker 1: that it was still good.

693
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Speaker 6: That was the last time Hard Knocks was good. That

694
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 6: was the best all time Hard Knocks and the last

695
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 6: time that it was actually good.

696
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 2: Any other NFL news out there that we want to

697
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: report on.

698
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: A couple of days old, just as it relates to

699
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Speaker 5: the Patriots, Alvin Kamara was suspended for three games for

700
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 5: the Saints.

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00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Patriots play him in a week five.

702
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 5: So yet another sign that Tom Brady is no longer

703
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 5: on the quarterback of the Patriots, because clearly that would

704
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 5: have been a five game suspension if Brady were still here.

705
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, the Patriots don't catch a break in all

706
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 5: seriousness with that. And he's probably one of the only

707
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 5: offensive threats the Saints have.

708
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, now starting to preseason focus a little bit of

709
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, Texans talk and you know c. J. Stroud, Yeah,

710
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: Will Anderson, you know some interesting pieces.

711
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Speaker 5: Are you going to have John McClain on the show, Matt,

712
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: Are we efforting John McClain, Oh, look at him scrambling around.

713
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you woke him up, this diehard. He's got a

714
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: folder in there.

715
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 5: You gotta talk it to the mic.

716
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Speaker 1: John is retired.

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Speaker 5: No, I know that, but we we can't get him

718
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Speaker 5: to talk.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not covering the team, and he's not who

720
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Speaker 1: I was going to book. He does. Actually, he's very

721
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: active on Twitter. Still.

722
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the guy. He's retired and I'll get him. No,

723
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: that's fine, that's fine. You like John mcclan he's the

724
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 5: best number one, he's such a nice guy.

725
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: Now, did he cover the Oilers back in the day? So,

726
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: and then he just kind of hung around till the

727
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Speaker 1: Texans came back. Yeah, he did.

728
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Speaker 5: He's been around for a long time and he is

729
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: I just don't know anybody in that league that has

730
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 5: a bad word to say about him. Yeah, he's a

731
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Speaker 5: straight sh yeah, and he's not he's no pomp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like the Texans like gave him pretty

733
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: good access, but he was still honest about you know

734
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Speaker 2: what he was seeing?

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Speaker 1: By the way, real quick, did you guys see the

736
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Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles reporter?

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Speaker 5: Do you guys know anything more about this? There has

738
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: to be something, has to be like something, right. I

739
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: played the clip three different times because it cuts off

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Speaker 5: really quickly.

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Speaker 1: The truth is never mean, he's just stay.

742
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Speaker 5: In facts, right, but but it actually states it and

743
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: it's such a like a really well done like it's right,

744
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: it's professional broadcaster one oh one.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't go rogue because it was a whole

746
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Speaker 2: graphics package to a company.

747
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Speaker 5: The producer get fired too for putting all those graphics.

748
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Speaker 2: Up right, So it'd be like, you know, if the

749
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Patriots have had a hard time with you know, the

750
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Speaker 2: Giants in super Bowls and now we're playing them for

751
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Speaker 2: the third super Bowl. I mean you have to say

752
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: that now you know when I lost two super Bowls

753
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Speaker 2: to the Giants.

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Speaker 5: Now you know what I worry about.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you have to state the facts like.

756
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Speaker 1: Looking at that, like if you could get suspended for that.

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: Like like this show just yeah, so I So that's

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Paul. There's gotta be something that There's

759
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: got to.

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Speaker 1: Be something that we don't know about that guy.

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Speaker 6: I wonder if it was like a pattern and this

762
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Speaker 6: like maybe he's been negative on the air before and

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Speaker 6: this was sort of just the final And I'm not

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that he should have been suspended for

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Speaker 6: what he said.

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Speaker 5: I'm definitely not. But what if they went to him

767
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: beforehand and they said, hey, listen, we know we never

768
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Speaker 5: went in tampa'ss. What's you know let's get past that.

769
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Speaker 5: Let's ignore that. And then he said, well, no, I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to ignore it. I gonna put a whole

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Speaker 5: package together about it, you know, to lead into the

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Speaker 5: broadcast graphics.

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Speaker 1: And he directly defied in order. Then you know, then.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think the order itself is foolish. Correct, but

775
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: he's still defied.

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Speaker 1: The team would still be looking foolish. But they should

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Speaker 1: come out with a statement if that, if there's something

778
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: more to it, because they look ridiculous right now.

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00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 5: Right anytime something looks so blatantly obvious one sided, I

780
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: always think of what don't we know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because like one of your shows this morning, Paul here,

782
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Speaker 2: we're like, you know, we're gonna find out he's got

783
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: like dead bodies on you know.

784
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Speaker 5: Fred Fred Tivins guy, Because what if it was like that,

785
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 5: he's like up on murder?

786
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Can that one be Evans show from now on the touch?

787
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: And that's right, you are, I guess.

788
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounds like they just have sensitive to guess

789
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 7: a guy before the home opener in twenty twenty one two.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's really ridiculous, Like just they they couldn't

791
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 5: win in Tampa and all of a sudden they've won

792
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 5: Tampa this year.

793
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Speaker 1: Now it is that guy like so C is that

794
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: what he would be the equivalent of like the t.

795
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: For the Red Sox, but he's the he's employed podcaster.

796
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Speaker 6: I don't think it's I think it's a nesting situation

797
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 6: where it's owned by the team, but it's not. It's not.

798
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Speaker 2: I see, yeah, D'Angelo owns.

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Speaker 1: Angelo subs dropped the d just Angelo, correct, Peter, I

800
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Speaker 1: thought there was a Turkey subcoming on drop slam on

801
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Speaker 1: the drop the the ATM machine.

802
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a weird situation.

803
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, just that occurred to me, and it was I.

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Speaker 5: Mean everybody again like Thursday night, if I say, Bailey's

805
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: appy's really struggled the last few days of camp, but

806
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Speaker 5: my my key card going to work.

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Speaker 1: The next day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's supporting him and killing the team. So

809
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: at some point you would think that if there is

810
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: something else that the team might say, you know, this

811
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Speaker 2: isn't why.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it was here, they would get Bob hold

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Speaker 1: right a scathing So in.

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Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the a sticket houtline.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how many people are gonna be calling because

816
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: we're doing this early show.

817
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: And tried to get word out this morning on the X.

818
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, on the X, that's the new signal.

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00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: Right, what about threads, mayn't I haven't open threads since

820
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: I signed up for an account. Yeah, I haven't even

821
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: threaded once. Yeah. I don't know.

822
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: How many social platforms do you want to be?

823
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I can't even keep track of one. And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

824
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Speaker 2: I don't like it.

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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 6: I'm out on threads.

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Speaker 5: This is the matter of context.

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00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think not to rehash threads, but

828
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: like I use Twitter for work to try to access

829
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: information and what people are saying about a specific topic

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00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: and a timely manner. That's my number one use for Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And what does threads do. Threads is just you know,

832
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Speaker 1: a random mishmash of right people being thrown at you, like, hey,

833
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: you might be interested in this.

834
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Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, I'm not interested now.

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Speaker 1: I'm here for the info, need the info. Yeah, it's

836
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Speaker 1: not the all twenty two. So all right, he's.

837
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: Web radio at patriots dot com. People emailing, so continue

838
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: to do so we'll get to your emails.

839
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: Talk to us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was raining yesterday today it's supposed to stop

841
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: around practice time.

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00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, we're hopeful here a family

843
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: day that.

844
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: When we walked in the studio, but the family days indoors.

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00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it's in the optim lounge. But yeah, yeah, so,

846
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: but you.

847
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: Want to be on the field, you want to practice.

848
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: You know, Mike's kids, they want to be.

849
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Kids. They got a Brady jersey on. I'm waiting for

850
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Paul to be like, you know, your dad hates.

851
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 6: Brady Campbell's soup.

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00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: Just put that in my head.

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00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, his kids are also a cornerback, Tyson Campbell.

854
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 6: Oh there you go. Good cornerback too.

855
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: I know. Unfortunately only Campbell's on the back though, so

856
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: doesn't do Tyson any good, you know.

857
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's get to some of these

858
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: emails again. You can also call eight five to five

859
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: paths five hundred on the ACE ticket hot line. We'll

860
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: go to who who is this Josh writing in? Uh,

861
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: He's from Columbus, Ohio. Understanding there might be a number

862
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: of factors which make this a silly idea.

863
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: But what do you think.

864
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: About Taekwon moving to the X to be the full

865
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: time backup for Devonte Parker? Evan talking about Devonte Parker

866
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: being someone who has to be thrown to a spot

867
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: so he can climb a ladder to beat the defender

868
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: is what got me thinking Taekwon is someone who could

869
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: be led on a pass and in theory being six

870
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: Tuish could also go up and get the ball. Wondering

871
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: if this removes a couple of his issues with route

872
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: running as well. Speaking out of my butt here, but

873
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: it feels like Davante only runs a vertical or a slant.

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00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of true. I mean, I don't. I

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00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: just think generally they want everybody to kind of do

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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. Even if Parker is going

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Speaker 1: to be at the ax and that's going to be

878
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: his main kind of role, It's also just be disappointing

879
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: to have to kind of subjugate Taekwon Thorntonto just backing

880
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: up Devonte Parker at.

881
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: The ex He wants you, guys said, he's good as fifty,

882
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: wants them to replace part I'll replace the X can't

883
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 5: he said, back them up up? Oh, I thought he

884
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 5: said to replace them.

885
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: He said back them up. Oh, I'm not interested in

886
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: him being a backup.

887
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: I mean, that's kind of what he is, right, that's

888
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 5: what's that's where we are right now.

889
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 6: I'm not a fan of Taekwon at the X, yeah,

890
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 6: because as an X receiver, you play on the line

891
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 6: of scrimmage, so you can see a ton of press

892
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 6: coverage and you're just gonna bump and run, bump and run,

893
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 6: bump and run, and that's the opposite of what I

894
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 6: want Taekwon to do. When you play him at the Z,

895
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 6: you can move him around the formation, you can motion him,

896
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 6: you can play him in the slot a little bit,

897
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 6: and that gets him away from some of that contact

898
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 6: and lets him just run.

899
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: Question. Ye, have we seen a lot of Taekwon because

900
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of motion in camp. I don't

901
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: recall a lot of Taekwon in motion, though I remember

902
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas a lot.

903
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, not not a ton, which I hope is maybe

904
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 6: just because he hasn't been out there as much as

905
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: some of the other guys, and hopefully they get to

906
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 6: that that point. But my vision for Taekwon has always

907
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 6: been to use him like O'Brien. He's Jamison Williams at

908
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 6: Alabama and that was a little bit on the outside

909
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 6: for but I think Jamison Williams is a better releaser

910
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: and finisher through contact than Taekwon is. Mostly the snaps

911
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 6: in the slot Z. Those are the spots where you

912
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 6: can get him off the line of scrimmage and basically

913
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 6: just turn it into a track meet, which is what

914
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 6: you want with a guy like that.

915
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, Yeah makes sense.

916
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Michael is in Mcallisterville, Pennsylvania. Recently read

917
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: an article by CBS Sports which listed the top candidate

918
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: from each NFL team's active roster to reach the Hall

919
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: of Fame, and he's talking about the Canton one. The

920
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: writer listed Matthew Slater for the Patriots. I cannot disagree

921
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: with the selection, but this is a poor commentary on

922
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: the current active roster. That special teams player is our

923
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: best shot to reach Canton. Is there another player you

924
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: can see reaching this level? I think I was thinking

925
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: Matt Judhon if he puts together a few more Pro

926
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: Bowl caliber seasons. Love the show, love the entire cast,

927
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: but the addition of Evan was a great move. He's

928
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: my pick for a future Patriots unfiltered Hall of Fame inductee.

929
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh are you in that?

930
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: Yeah? Andy and I they wave they waive them.

931
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bill Belichick has said that Slater. He

932
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: thinks Slater is one of the greatest special teamers ever

933
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: should be in.

934
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: The quantify that though, like it's hard to be, like,

935
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: you know what.

936
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 5: Let's move beyond. Let's let's try to answer his question,

937
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 5: because I think it's a good question, and I agree

938
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 5: with his premise.

939
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: Judon is the only one I would think of that

940
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: could maybe and I think he's too old and probably I.

941
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: Think that he also would need to do it in

942
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: some big games.

943
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, like in the playoffs. I mean,

944
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 5: if you're great, you're great. But I don't look at

945
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 5: him as a Hall of Fame type player. He's a

946
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 5: really good player. He's a good player in today's game.

947
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Pro Bowl caliber player. I think

948
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 5: he's got four Pro Bowls in a row with Baltimore

949
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 5: and too.

950
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: But I always say this, if he has like some

951
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: key sacks and some playoff games, that that helps you.

952
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, when you do it in the big stage,

953
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: it enhances your resume.

954
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they have one guy in top

955
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: one hundred NFL players was chewed on, right, They had

956
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: nobody over ninety and Madden. I mean, this is this

957
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: is where you're at. Any kind of rating it come

958
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: up with, it's it's not really pretty at this point.

959
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Until some of these guys, it.

960
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 5: Would be a projection. It would be like one of

961
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 5: the younger guys, what are you looking at?

962
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 6: Like Pop Douglas.

963
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Let's not put him in the Hall of Fame just yet,

964
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: have it? I don't know, Like I mean, I'm thinking

965
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: about Rimandre. I don't want to make that argument because

966
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how hard it's going to or how

967
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: easy it'll be for running backs to really get in

968
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame anymore. With how running backs are

969
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: used anymore, Like, there's not going to be a well

970
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: when you think about it, in your productive running back.

971
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean his his average per game rushing, you know,

972
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: doesn't it have to be a little higher than what

973
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: his is?

974
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and you have to do it for

975
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: a long time.

976
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: We he would have to sort of evolve into the

977
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 5: man as opposed to a part of the committee. Now,

978
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 5: the last half of last year he was the man, right, Yeah,

979
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 5: and his production went down as the season went on.

980
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: But if he were to have five seasons where he

981
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 5: was the guy and all of a sudden, instead of

982
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: rushing for a thousand yards, he's rushing to fifteen hundred

983
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: and averaging over five yards to carry. That's definitely now.

984
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: The guy that Gonzales I was just gonna say, you

985
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: took the words out of my mouth. You know, you

986
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: hope that that's he's kind of career he has. But

987
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, how hard is it for a corner back?

988
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get in?

989
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 5: I thought Douglas was.

990
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's practiced eleven times. Like there's no question of

991
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: the course. You guys are right, But I mean, just

992
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: as far as.

993
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: I mean house, you have to be as a corner get.

994
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: Elite athletic talent. He's making some balls.

995
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 5: Law, Derell Reeves right, Charles Woods, like, he's like guys

996
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 5: that have gone in lately.

997
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, as a patriot, you have to be all time

998
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 6: great to get into the Hall of Fame. If he

999
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 6: was like a Steeler, then maybe be a little bit

1000
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 6: easier for him. So that that's true, that's the biggest

1001
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 6: It's like I'm with Ty Law just had to you know,

1002
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 6: be amazing and have a pick six in the Super

1003
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 6: Bowl to sniff the Hall of Fames, Right, I don't

1004
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 6: like to me.

1005
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: I they made Andre tip it way for how many years?

1006
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know, you're I'm right

1007
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: with you. I mean I know it's everybody against us.

1008
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's ridiculous to say a rookie. But

1009
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: that's that's where the Patriots are. That's what Tom Brady

1010
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: and right.

1011
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 5: I think the point of that wasn't everybody against us?

1012
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 5: So was everybody for Pittsburgh. That's the beauty of that.

1013
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 6: The whole Steelers Teamittsburgh, Dallas. Joey Porter Junior can't cover

1014
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 6: anybody in camp, but he's already going into the Hall

1015
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 6: of Fame from when I heard so, I have a

1016
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 6: real issue with Hall of Fame voters if you can't

1017
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 6: tell real issue.

1018
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I've heard your rad Tom, I'm the Steelers seventies teams.

1019
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 5: But it just didn't I think there are a lot

1020
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 5: of especially lately when you you've sort of been covering

1021
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 5: the league for a while and you're more familiar with

1022
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 5: some of the players. I think there's a lot of

1023
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 5: good players that have been inducted into the Hall of

1024
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 5: Fame lately. Not great, I would hope, so no, no, no,

1025
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: but not great that's my point. I don't think you

1026
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 5: should have to be how many times we talked about it.

1027
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 5: I know Fred and I are locked up on this.

1028
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: We're for a small only the select view and you

1029
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 5: know them when you see them, they're just absolutely dominant, transcendent.

1030
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 5: Put Tom Brady, I don't have to talk about this.

1031
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 5: He's in the Hall of Fame. There's no argument to

1032
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 5: be made. I think there were a lot of guys.

1033
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 5: How do you feel there were good arguments to be made,

1034
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 5: and some of them made it, some of them didn't.

1035
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 6: How do you feel about Dion Sanders' idea of having

1036
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 6: like the the the Gentleman's club upstairs, you know, the

1037
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 6: the real Hall of Famers's club.

1038
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know he's sort of advocated for a small

1039
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 5: hall break like a strip club.

1040
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 6: No, no, it's for like the real Hall of Fame.

1041
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 5: There's no touching in the champagne room, no matter what

1042
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 5: they tell you.

1043
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, a smaller hall upstairs, like yeah, I don't remember

1044
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: what the word he was obvious, wasn't that?

1045
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 6: But they're they're gonna plus it up for Yeah. I

1046
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 6: am not for that, Dion Sanders, Tom Brady. You know,

1047
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 6: the greats and the greats are in this like upper incheloge.

1048
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: I think I think there's an opportunity for whether it's

1049
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: a PFF or some outlet or Sports Illustrated to say, Okay,

1050
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: we're redoing and we're creating our own Hall of Fame

1051
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: and these are truly just the greats, you know, And

1052
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: they come up with that list and I'm sure it

1053
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: will get a billion clicks.

1054
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 6: Well that was what like the NFL, like with Belichick

1055
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 6: and like the NFL one hundred thing they did a

1056
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 6: couple of years ago that was supposed to be the

1057
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 6: one hundred greatest players in NFL history and no period,

1058
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 6: you know, we're not going to have any of these

1059
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 6: like hall of very good guys in this one hundred list.

1060
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: I prefer the PFF.

1061
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: They went and they all the NFL has been around

1062
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 2: for a hundred years now, right, they celebrated that.

1063
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: A few years ago.

1064
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: So so you create this, you create this Hall of

1065
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: one hundred, right, and you're in there, but somebody.

1066
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: T shirts went in one out. Is that we're saying, yeah, somebody.

1067
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: Can take your place, and you could get booted out

1068
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: because it can only always be one hundred.

1069
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Thunderdome Hall of fame. I like it. I like it. Relegation.

1070
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: What have you done lately? Yeah, some of that with

1071
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: with some of the number of retirements, you know, with

1072
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: some of the teams, like let's let's get stuff back

1073
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: into circulation. Like you're never gonna stay retired until nobody

1074
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: knows who you are and then it's got to come back. Yeah.

1075
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: Uh, Tim our friend from Duncan, I'm being I'm becoming

1076
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: deeply concerned about the offensive line. I think if fully healthy,

1077
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: they'll be fine. But that's the question. When will they

1078
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: have the full starting offensive line playing together? In your opinion,

1079
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: how long will the starting lineup of Trent Brown, Cole Strange,

1080
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: David Andrews, Michael when you and Connor McDermott need to

1081
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: play together to be a cohesive unit.

1082
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: I have no idea on them when you, I don't.

1083
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: No one's reported anything. No one actually even said what

1084
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: the actual injury was. I mean, I think we know

1085
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: it was ye surgery, Like I think that is that

1086
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: a wide range of potential things that it could have been.

1087
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have no idea on him.

1088
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: There's no programma.

1089
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 5: I'm expecting him to be ready for the season. Yeah,

1090
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 5: I am haven't been told anything, and I just feel

1091
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 5: like it was kind of.

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Speaker 1: And now great moments in history. I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: But uh, but excuse do you hear that?

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Speaker 5: I also don't think you can just turn it all

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Speaker 1: Smack it down? Why was this marine?

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Speaker 5: I've ever seen you dispose of my body. That was impressive.

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Speaker 5: That's another great moment.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Patriots Unfiltered. It's Deuce, it's Evan, Paul, myself,

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Speaker 2: Matt and the booth. We're here until noon today, a

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Speaker 1: How's it going? Fellas?

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Speaker 13: So playing the textans two days from now?

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Speaker 14: What are your predictions for rookie snap?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I'm zero from Mardy Mappo.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start with the easy one red jersey. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not gonna play it.

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Speaker 5: I would say you'd see some key on white, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Day three guys will play.

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Speaker 6: My eye on Mafi on Thursday night because it's hard

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Speaker 6: Been a rough one on one training camp for City.

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Speaker 6: So like, I hate to single out somebody, but he's

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Speaker 5: But I think you will see uh, you know, like

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Speaker 14: It would be great to see Bolden get a couple snaps.

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00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: Oh, he's gonna play a lot. He'll play. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I want to see him on kickoffs, yeah, like returning kickoffs.

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00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think of everybody we talk about Jonathan Jones,

1308
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: Jack Jones kind of a little bit uncertainty. He's he's

1309
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: a guy I think that still has that opportunity next

1310
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He's got to do it against other teams.

1311
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: But he's got good size, he runs well. Thanks.

1312
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of kickoffs, is our first chance to see the

1313
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: new rule, to see how that plays out on kickoffs

1314
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: with the fair catch.

1315
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: M Yeah, they make like something we've been noticing. They

1316
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: make like some kind of signal it seems like like

1317
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: when they're gonna which when they're gonna tweet something, they

1318
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: just put the the X symbol. Check Twitter.

1319
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: Mike's in Sarasota, Florida.

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 13: What's up, Mike, gentlemen, Good morning and Mike. Good to

1321
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 13: talk to you, guys. Thanks for taking my call. Sure,

1322
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 13: first is definitely in agreement with the offensive line. I

1323
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 13: think that is to me a concerning thing. I think

1324
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 13: so much is going to hinge upon that. But the

1325
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 13: reason I'm calling is, what is your guys take on

1326
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 13: why have they Why did Bill get away from the

1327
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 13: full back because it seems like we had such a

1328
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 13: good power running game when we had the fullback position

1329
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 13: going more so with Devlin Yaka maybe not so much,

1330
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 13: but why why did he get away from that?

1331
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: I think, you know, unless you have a fullback who

1332
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: truly is versatile, it's you're only going to use them

1333
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: like a few times a game.

1334
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 5: I think that they wanted to be less predictable offense. Yeah,

1335
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 5: and I'm not telling you they're right, wrong, or indifferent,

1336
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 5: but this is the way it was explained to me

1337
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago. Is when you know, when

1338
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 5: Yakob Johnson was on the field, they were predominantly going

1339
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 5: to be running back.

1340
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: Like I said, if he could actually, you know, go

1341
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: out and catch passes and be good at that, then

1342
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: that's a different Yeah.

1343
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 5: I would take like, you know, duh, I would take

1344
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 5: a guy that has the varied skill set like us

1345
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 5: check if you wanted to incorporate a fullback. I'm not

1346
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 5: really interested in a battering Ram fullback in today's day

1347
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 5: and age.

1348
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: They don't really seem interested in trying to find that

1349
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: guy over the last couple of years. I mean, it's

1350
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: just been two years since it like yaka, well, no,

1351
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, Folkser is in that mold a

1352
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: little bit.

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00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 5: But like I would argue, it's like the middle of

1354
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: the summer sign ridiculously anecdotal. Okay, I have no research

1355
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: being done off the top of my head here, but

1356
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: like I just look around the league and what are

1357
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 5: the teams that you would say are really good that

1358
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 5: incorporate a fullback on any kind of a regular basis,

1359
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 5: And I would say there probably aren't very many. San

1360
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 5: Francisco is one of them. I just explained that he's

1361
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 5: to me, not really a battering Ram fullback, but so

1362
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 5: a lot of people say, well, look what Josh Jacobs

1363
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 5: did last year with the Raiders. He had a phenomenal year.

1364
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 5: He was probably the best back in football last year.

1365
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 5: They got Yakub Johnson to run in front of him.

1366
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 5: How'd they do? How'd that work out for him? Like

1367
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 5: I think, you can rack up a lot of yards,

1368
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 5: would be a great power running football team. Doesn't necessarily

1369
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 5: translate to being a really good football team, you know

1370
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: what I mean? And again ridiculously anecdotal. There's probably a

1371
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 5: number of teams that you guys could come up with

1372
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 5: that you know, played really well using a lot of

1373
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 5: two back sets. I think they wanted to get away

1374
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 5: from being predictable, and that's why they did it. I'm

1375
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 5: not telling you they're right for doing it, but I

1376
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 5: think that was the reason.

1377
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 6: I'm with the I missed the full back. I think

1378
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 6: that there's a lot of schematic advantages to having a

1379
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 6: full back. Full Backs can go both ways right, they

1380
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 6: can go left or right. When you have a tight

1381
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 6: end lined up in line, he's on his side of

1382
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 6: the formation and you can slide them across. But it's

1383
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 6: not the same action. And I think the biggest thing

1384
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: is is that with the full back. You can build

1385
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 6: sides right that you can build three or four man

1386
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: surfaces at any given time because he can go in

1387
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 6: both directions. And then you also have the poll that

1388
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 6: it causes on play action, which I think is really

1389
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 6: where they made their money under McDaniels. Was you know

1390
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 6: lead ISO. Oh no, it's not lead ISO, and now

1391
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 6: it's play action and those linebackers have to scream up

1392
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 6: to take on the full back, and now we're hitting

1393
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 6: the crossers and things in the seams behind the linebackers.

1394
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 6: I thought that that was one of their bread and butters,

1395
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 6: like that was an easy offense for them to run.

1396
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 6: I agree with Paul that maybe it's antiquated, you know,

1397
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 6: maybe the numbers don't back up that it's a high

1398
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 6: flying offense anymore. But I look at Kyle Shanahan, who

1399
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 6: I think is the best offensive mine in football, and

1400
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 6: he loves full backs. He said as long as he

1401
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 6: was the head coach of the forty nine ers, they

1402
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 6: would have a full back, whether it was us check

1403
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 6: or was somebody else. And McDaniels loves full backs. There's

1404
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 6: a lot of really good, smart offensive minds that love

1405
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 6: full backs. So I think it still has a role,

1406
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 6: and I don't think it's totally gone. I think that

1407
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 6: they're gonna it's definitely not totally experiment a little bit

1408
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 6: with it.

1409
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 5: I just would like to see if you're gonna do it,

1410
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 5: if you're gonna have two backs in the field, I

1411
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 5: need that guy. I need you to be able to

1412
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 5: throw as often as you do run. And San Francisco

1413
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 5: has the ability to do that because they have kind

1414
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 5: of a unicorn play in the position.

1415
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, now that you know, not to go to

1416
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 6: down the rabbit hole with Anthony Ferkser, but he played

1417
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 6: us Check's role at Harvard when when Uscheck went to

1418
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 6: the NFL, and they are similar body type, similar type

1419
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 6: of players, and first or can catch the ball a

1420
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 6: little bit.

1421
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Speaker 5: He's not a dynamic went to Harvard too, all right,

1422
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 5: I just want yeah, figured.

1423
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 6: He's not a dynamic pass sketcher by any means, but

1424
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 6: he's not Yakub Johnson either, Right, he does bring a

1425
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 6: little bit of juice in that role.

1426
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 5: You would have some of that flexibility.

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01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's kind of right now. It

1428
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: seems to me like it's a goal line package only

1429
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: in their offense.

1430
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, let's say no, Phil and Vermont just booked

1431
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: my first ever trip to Vegas to go see the game.

1432
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: You know any Patriot fan friendly spots I should check

1433
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: out while I'm there, bars, restaurants, whatever, or perhaps any

1434
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: events the organization may be hosting. Well, you should start

1435
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: with the Patriots fan Club Registry on Patriots dot com.

1436
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: Type in Las Vegas and see what fan clubs are

1437
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: there and where they meet on Sunday. That's a good

1438
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: place to start. Then there's Barry in Siong's Patriots Tailgate

1439
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: group on Facebook. They always organize a lot of road trips,

1440
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they're gonna do something for Vegas. I

1441
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: know Barry's a big Vegas guy.

1442
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: Is he big Germany guy? Are they doing Germany? I

1443
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: don't know.

1444
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: Well, Patriots will have stuff going on in Germany, so

1445
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: I'll let you know what we get closer to that.

1446
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: But I know Barry loves Vegas. He's there a lot

1447
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: with his wife, so I'm sure there'll be something going

1448
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: on in Vegas. Go to the Patriots Tailgate group on

1449
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: Facebook and check that out, or the fan club registry

1450
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: on Patriots dot com.

1451
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1452
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: Let's see who is this James writes in Where's James?

1453
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't say Eric wouldn't like that. I apologize, I've

1454
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: already covered this. I expect that everyone was excited to

1455
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: hear in Jack Jones's press conference that he apparently listens

1456
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: to the show.

1457
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 6: What didn't hear that?

1458
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that this is going to be a

1459
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: sarcastic comment.

1460
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: I was wondering how Fred felt about his comment that

1461
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 2: he wanted Fred to say it to his case. In

1462
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: regards to Fred's comments last week.

1463
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 6: What oh you, I think you made a Jack Jones joke.

1464
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 6: So I guess he's.

1465
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 5: Say it to your face, say it to his face.

1466
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 5: I guess Jack. Jack Jones was I thought excellent in

1467
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 5: his very brief, very scripted. Yeah, he did a good

1468
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 5: job of it. He didn't have anything he wasn't He

1469
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 5: did a good job. Yeah, Jack Jones.

1470
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: Congratulations to Evan on his engagement. I know it was

1471
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: mentioned last week that they have not set a date,

1472
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: but I wanted to confirm that we can expect the

1473
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: all too fifty tape breakdown after the wedding. That's a

1474
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: big that's the best wedding.

1475
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 6: Maybe like take the five and the O out of

1476
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 6: it and.

1477
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: Is he planning and posting it on patriot dot com

1478
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: or will it be on the same channel where Alex

1479
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: is breaking down the one on one film of the Dogwalks.

1480
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I know he just James put

1481
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: a lot of effort into this email. But stick to

1482
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: your day job.

1483
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 5: Wow, you're so mean.

1484
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 1: Why are you so mean?

1485
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1486
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: He's trying to put fun.

1487
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 6: It really wasn't that funny.

1488
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 5: No, I agree with Fred, but it's kind of mean.

1489
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say him from wasting his time down

1490
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: the field, down the road.

1491
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: Okay?

1492
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 6: Uh?

1493
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: And I'd like to hear Evan's thoughts on Booty after

1494
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,479
Speaker 2: a few consistently good practices. Does he think he makes

1495
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: the fifty three man roster on this trajectory as the

1496
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: fifth or sixth wide receiver? Does he play meaningful time

1497
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: this season on this trajectory?

1498
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 6: Evan thought, yeah, No, I think Deus and I are

1499
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 6: on the same page with Booty, I'm not. I don't

1500
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 6: see anything about his game like with with with Pop Douglas.

1501
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 6: His movement skills and his quickness are are apparent, like

1502
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 6: they pop off no pun intended on the field, like

1503
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 6: you can see it. It's tangible. With Booty, he's fine.

1504
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 6: I just don't see anything particularly stand out or special

1505
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 6: about his game now. I will say his hands are

1506
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 6: a lot better than I thought that they were going

1507
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 6: to be. He struggled with drops in college. Uh, he's

1508
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 6: He's had some real snags, like not just the one

1509
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 6: handed catch, but caught some passes in the back the

1510
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 6: end zone that had some sunny You.

1511
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 5: Had one coming across the back line, exactly what you're

1512
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 5: talking about. Did a nice job out in front of him. Yeah,

1513
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 5: in traffic ball had some steam on it. Yeah, caught

1514
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 5: it easy.

1515
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 6: Yeah. So's he's got better hands than I thought. And

1516
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 6: I think, you know, literally like you know, in a

1517
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 6: straight line. He's maybe a little bit more explosive than

1518
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 6: some of the other guys that they have, But I

1519
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 6: don't really see much wiggle. He's kind of stiff to me.

1520
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 6: I don't know. I still need to see a little

1521
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 6: bit more out of Booty. I think we all got

1522
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 6: infatuated with Douglas because it was different, Like it looks

1523
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 6: the way that he moves, the quickness, the burst looks

1524
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 6: different from than some of the other guys that they have,

1525
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 6: whereas Booty kind of just reminds me a little bit

1526
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 6: of some of the other people. So if you're going

1527
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 6: to carry him like Juju born, like, where where is

1528
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 6: he even? Is he like a third born string?

1529
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: Would burn go? Like?

1530
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 5: I think your boy Jerry Thornton wrote that yesterday on Twitter.

1531
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 5: You know, if if Douglas in booty, you know, continue

1532
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 5: and do you push someone off the roster?

1533
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't seen enough to especially coming off

1534
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: of Bourne's probably best practice that I've seen in a while.

1535
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: Yesterday we had like three catches. Yeah, I don't.

1536
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 6: I think there is a formula where they do keep

1537
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 6: six guys. Initially, I don't think that they'll carry six

1538
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 6: for long. But I think there is a formula where

1539
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 6: if they release maybe some of these special Teams guys

1540
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 6: and do the old hey stick around like we're just

1541
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 6: gonna do some roster tinkering and then we'll we'll get

1542
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 6: you back on the fifty three, then I think it's possible.

1543
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: Douglas returns too, right, Like, I mean, he doesn't boot

1544
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: he's not a special Teams guy. I know he's not

1545
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna play.

1546
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Douglas isn't good. I mean, Marcus Jones is

1547
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 5: going to return.

1548
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: Right, just value If you're gonna be the fifth receiver,

1549
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: can you really only be a receiver? You know? That's yeah.

1550
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 5: But like to my point is Douglas is really only

1551
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 5: a receiver. Like he might be able to return, but

1552
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 5: you're not going to not have Marcus Jones return. I

1553
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 5: wouldn't think no, Like, isn't he too valuable in that?

1554
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1555
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 6: Well, certainly on punt returns. I think there's a chance

1556
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 6: that a guy like Isaiah Bolden might push him on kickoffs,

1557
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 6: But I think punts, it's I mean, you're not He's

1558
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 6: probably the best punt returner in the league right now,

1559
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 6: so I think that that would be ridiculous.

1560
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if they took that role away

1561
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: from him.

1562
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: Eldred Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

1563
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: Hey?

1564
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 14: Tell us how y'all doing this morning? Yeah, I'm just

1565
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 14: sitting in waiting question. Oh, we signed trade Power Flowers again? Correct?

1566
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: Yes, already done?

1567
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 14: Okay, who's stamp do he take? And do you think

1568
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 14: it's odd that we're boosting him the defense and not

1569
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 14: the elefanse and not take it off air?

1570
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have a good one, Okay, thanks Eldred. Whose

1571
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: spot does he take? I don't know. I don't know.

1572
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: I think I think he's depth right now, and it's

1573
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: not immediately apparent what Spotty's gonna fill. But I mean,

1574
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: just to echo what we said earlier, it's it's it's

1575
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: a hand down defensive end that Cam White.

1576
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 5: Maybe he takes key On White's reps, or maybe Evan

1577
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 5: has it and wise he's a guy who sort of

1578
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 5: there to help Keon White a little bit and ends

1579
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 5: up on the practice squad like Jamie Collins did last year.

1580
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 5: I like Evan's theory.

1581
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: I was almost gonna make the leap of could he

1582
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: possibly threaten Lawrence guy? But they're they're different players, Yeah, different.

1583
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 5: I mean, they are different players. But that's another thing

1584
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 5: to keep in mind.

1585
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 6: You know.

1586
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: And his question about why are they beefing up the

1587
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: offense the defense rather than the offense. I think this

1588
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: is just a guy that's available, and we know him,

1589
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: we're familiar with him. You know, we'll take a shot.

1590
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 2: It's not going to cost him a lot of money.

1591
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1592
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't look at it as beefing up the defense,

1593
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: you know.

1594
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, I don't know I'm not sure he's

1595
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 5: on the team.

1596
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 6: Yeah. Our whole thing in March was like put a

1597
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 6: name to the claim, and I think we get we're

1598
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 6: getting a lot of this of what about the offense,

1599
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 6: Like why aren't they signing a tackle? Like name a tackle,

1600
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 6: Name a tackle who's available, that's going to move the needle.

1601
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 6: It's it's August eighth, right, Like there's not If there

1602
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 6: was a franchise left tackle just dangling out there, then

1603
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 6: I'm sure that a team, if it's not the Patriots,

1604
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 6: would be all over it. And same at receiver. They

1605
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 6: that ship is sailed. They had they had DeAndre Hopkins

1606
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 6: in the building, and that ship is sailed. I guess

1607
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 6: maybe you could talk about the running backs, but I

1608
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 6: don't think that Trey Flowers inhibits you from signing Zeke

1609
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 6: or Dalvin Cook if that does come to fruition. So

1610
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 6: I'm just if there was a tackle available that would

1611
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 6: make a difference then, as a different conversation, but this

1612
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 6: time of year, I don't really see who that is.

1613
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: Ama writes in saying I started listening to Catch twenty

1614
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: two and I enjoyed very much. That said, I have

1615
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: an issue with one of Evans's takes. Evan keeps stating

1616
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: that you can build a championship caliber team without a

1617
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,839
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback and gives the forty nine Ers as an example.

1618
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 6: This is Barth's take.

1619
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: Allow me to replace snarky Paul on this one. One,

1620
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: it's so much harder to sustain success this way. And two,

1621
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 2: you know who doesn't seem to believe it as well?

1622
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: The forty nine ers who traded three first round picks

1623
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 2: in order to try and find a franchise quarterback.

1624
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 6: How did that go for them?

1625
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: But they still wanted one?

1626
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 5: How was winning a championship going for them?

1627
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 6: Yeah? That's true too.

1628
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul doesn't have to chime in on this one.

1629
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 5: You could definitely win a Super Bowl without a franchise quarterback.

1630
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 5: I just think it's much much harder. And the email

1631
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 5: is right. Let's say San Francisco kicks the door down

1632
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 5: this year and Brock Purty wins it. How do you

1633
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 5: keep all of those pieces that you need to win

1634
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 5: it when you're doing it without the quarterback lifting everybody else?

1635
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: Know I you know what I mean?

1636
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily disagreute that.

1637
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: How do you keep them?

1638
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 5: How do you keep them all pay them, but then

1639
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 5: they've already won. Now they want to go somewhere else

1640
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 5: and make even more. Someone's going to pay them ridiculous money.

1641
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: Right, Well, so you're saying they can't pay they.

1642
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 5: Want no, I'm saying they want to leave. I no

1643
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 5: longer need the wing if they want to just go

1644
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 5: for every last dollar.

1645
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: But if they give, why can't the forty nine ers

1646
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: give them?

1647
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 5: Well, they could if they wanted to. That's how you

1648
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 5: could keep it together. That's how you could keep it together.

1649
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 5: No team's ever done that. So I'm saying it's hard.

1650
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 5: Why Because it's hard to keep guys hungry in.

1651
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: Stay to trying to bake.

1652
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 5: I know what you're trying to do, and I'm telling

1653
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 5: you can do it, and you absolutely can do it.

1654
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 5: But you know Brandon Au, the two linebackers, you know

1655
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 5: Warner green Law. You need all of those guys to

1656
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 5: be great. You know what I mean. When you don't

1657
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 5: have a quarterback.

1658
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 6: I think the just to push back a little bit

1659
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 6: on the email or misconstruing a little bit. They don't

1660
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 6: have the franchise quarterback currently. Maybe mac Jones turns into

1661
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 6: the franchise quarterback. But as of right now, they don't

1662
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 6: have the franchise quote unquote quarterback, and they also have

1663
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 6: a quarterback on a rookie contract. So the only point

1664
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 6: that Bart and I try to make about this is

1665
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 6: not about sustained winning or anything like that. It's here's

1666
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 6: your window to try to maximize Mac Jones on a

1667
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 6: rookie deal and also help him out as much as

1668
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 6: you possibly can while he's still cheap. And we don't

1669
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 6: feel like they have adequately done that. And you look

1670
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 6: at a lot a lot of the other quarterbacks around

1671
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 6: the league that are were on that rookie contract, and

1672
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 6: they all got their toys right like, they all got

1673
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 6: these bells and whistles around them in this supporting cast

1674
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 6: that really Joe Burrow, Josh Allen Tua, Like if you

1675
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 6: put tyreek Kill and Jalen Waddle on this team right now,

1676
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 6: at Bill O'Brien and Mac Jones, we're having a lot

1677
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 6: of different conversations about where the twenty twenty three Patriots

1678
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 6: might be going. And that's the bottom line. It has

1679
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 6: nothing to do with like is this a sustainable model

1680
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 6: or anything like that. What you hope is is you

1681
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 6: hope you get a Jalen Hurts situation where you put

1682
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 6: aj Brown and DeVante Smith in the good offensive line

1683
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, now Jalen Hurts looks like

1684
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 6: he's a franchise quarterback and is he truly on his own?

1685
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, but he's gonna get paid like one

1686
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 6: and he's going to be their quarterback for the next

1687
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 6: five years at least, so they've they've answered the question

1688
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 6: that Jalen Hurts is their guide now and was that

1689
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 6: a product of everything else around him improving or if

1690
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 6: his own skills improved. I guess we can we can

1691
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 6: argue that, but what difference does it make at that point.

1692
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: Donnie and Pittsburgh says he's tearing his hair out over

1693
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: the Mac Zappi conversation. Not sure why some folks don't

1694
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: understand that Mac is the starter but still has a

1695
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: lot to prove to keep that job long term. As

1696
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 2: a result, maybe some fans are being a bit too

1697
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: loud and keeping their eyes on Zappy as the fallout plan.

1698
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for the coverage. It really makes a difference to

1699
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 2: those of us outside the cable market blackout range.

1700
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean, after the last couple of days, I'm not

1701
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: sure how you could say, you know that Zappy has

1702
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: a legitimate chance to like really unseat Mac at this point,

1703
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: he's got to He's gotta be a lot a lot better.

1704
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 5: But I don't understand why this bothers people. And this

1705
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 5: gets back to our buddy Greg, who evidently is now

1706
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 5: being fed a lot of information that Mike and I

1707
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 5: are talking about Greg Bdard a lot on the show.

1708
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 5: I talk about a lot of people on this show

1709
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 5: all the time, and I agree with a lot of them,

1710
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 5: and I disagree with a lot of them. And that's

1711
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 5: what I told Greg when we talked about this. Why

1712
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 5: does it bother you? If some people think that Zappi

1713
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 5: deserves a shot to win the job, they haven't been

1714
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 5: blown away by Mac Jones the last two seasons. They

1715
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 5: felt when Zappi played last year, it looked different, and

1716
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 5: it looked better when he played parts of four games.

1717
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 5: I am not in that camp. But much like we

1718
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 5: had a conversation off air Mike about the greatest plays

1719
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,480
Speaker 5: in Super Bowl history when we're walking in, my opinion

1720
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 5: doesn't need to be the opinion of everybody else. I

1721
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 5: think Mac Jones is clearly the starter. I don't think

1722
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 5: there's much of a chance of Zappi winning that job

1723
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 5: unless Mac starts the season in very poor fashion and.

1724
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: Loses the job.

1725
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 5: But I don't know why Evan can't think differently and

1726
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 5: think that Bailey Zappy deserves a chance to compete.

1727
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: Why.

1728
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: I think in some people's mind, if you're a fan

1729
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,480
Speaker 2: of the team, you have to be united behind your quarterback.

1730
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: You have one quarterback. If you have two quarterbacks, you

1731
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback, and so everyone needs to back Mac.

1732
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: No. But but the opinion print the T shirt.

1733
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 5: I understand what you're you're talking about will be best

1734
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 5: for the team.

1735
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, but the fans.

1736
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 5: But fans have different views, so like.

1737
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: But that's I'm just talking for the people who get

1738
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 2: annoyed when people start.

1739
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 5: Taking somebody else is annoyed that Bailey Zappi is not

1740
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 5: that guy that you're not getting united behind.

1741
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: I I okay, that's fine, But I'm just saying that's

1742
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: where these people are coming from. You back your quarterback.

1743
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: Mac is the number one quarterback. You back him.

1744
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 6: My general observation, I agree hundred percent. Would douce that

1745
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 6: if Bailey Zappi is really going to truly push Mackie

1746
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 6: has not played well enough in the last week to

1747
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 6: be able to say that one hundred percent. And I

1748
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 6: would also say that I don't think that there's a

1749
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 6: competition for Week one. I think Mac Jones is going

1750
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 6: to start against the Philadelphia Eagles, But the way that

1751
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 6: they are running these practices is at least keeping Bailey

1752
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 6: Zappy in their back pocket for if Mac goes belly

1753
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 6: up in the first month of the season, because he's

1754
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 6: more involved in these practices than most backup quarterbacks are.

1755
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 6: When you have an entrench starter, like if you have

1756
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 6: a Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen Herbert like that type of starter,

1757
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 6: then your backup is not splitting reps with you in

1758
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 6: practice like that just isn't how these practices typically are run.

1759
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 6: And I've seen a lot of Bailey Zappy for.

1760
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 5: With eleven yesterday and I think they both threw like

1761
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 5: twenty passes, so they that's that's a lot of reps

1762
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 5: for a practice for a backup quarterback. And again I

1763
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 5: totally agree, we haven't seen. We haven't seen anything that

1764
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 5: would indicate that Bill is looking at this as a

1765
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 5: as a competition based on the way Mac is always

1766
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 5: going first, always sort of with the quote unquote frontline guys,

1767
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 5: and Zappy goes in after that. But I agree with

1768
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 5: Evan that Week one, there is no There's no question

1769
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 5: in my mind. I'd be curious even to see if

1770
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 5: what kind of eatmn Zappi gets Thursday night for Houston, right,

1771
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 5: does he get the starter treatment where he goes out

1772
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 5: and plays ten to fifteen snaps and then he's done

1773
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 5: middle of the first quarter, into the first quarter and

1774
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 5: it's Mic Soreley and Cunningham to finish it off. I

1775
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 5: kind of expect it to be something like that, and

1776
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 5: that I think speaks to Evans's point, like in other places,

1777
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 5: when you have like a like a real starter and

1778
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 5: then a backup that's really unproven, the backup plays a

1779
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 5: lot in that game. He might even play the whole game.

1780
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 5: And I don't think that Zap. I mean, maybe I'll

1781
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 5: be surprised on Thursday night, but I don't think we'll

1782
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 5: see a ton of Zappi Thursday night.

1783
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I'd like to see it.

1784
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 5: I'd like to see I wouldn't mind it, but the

1785
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 5: Bill might just look at us like, what are we

1786
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 5: getting out of this? When you know, once you get

1787
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 5: beyond the first quarter. There's nobody really out in the

1788
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 5: field that's gonna be a huge part of anybody's team

1789
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 5: that year.

1790
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 6: He's in the back pocket. That just is the way

1791
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 6: I look at it is. Mac is the starter for now.

1792
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 6: Mac is is our will be the starter to start

1793
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 6: the season. But if this goes wrong and there were

1794
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,440
Speaker 6: one in three or something.

1795
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 5: Can we play the game? Can we play you know

1796
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 5: how Paul loves the p U games. Let's do Evans

1797
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 5: thing they just sort of prefaced. Let's say he starts

1798
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 5: the season like he did last year, only he doesn't

1799
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 5: get hurt. Does Bill make a move and if so win.

1800
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: It's tough because I felt some positive Mac juju after

1801
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: that Ravens game, and like, until he got hurt, it

1802
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: felt like, all right, yeah they lost, but I felt

1803
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,520
Speaker 1: like we kind of learned something and then it got derailed.

1804
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm a little bit. Had he

1805
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: been healthy, I would have been excited going into Green

1806
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: Bay to see if Mac could maybe turn the corner.

1807
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: And you know, so I wouldn't have been as quick

1808
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: to if that makes sense, Like, you know, he made

1809
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: some of.

1810
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 6: His best high end plays in that Baltimore game of

1811
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 6: like down the field, that fourth down like scramble that

1812
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 6: he had that he you know, bought some time and

1813
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 6: made a play. I think it was to John new

1814
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 6: Smith that that they converted on fourth down. That was

1815
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 6: one of the better like playmaking Mac games that we've seen,

1816
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 6: not just Game Manager, you know, going, you know, not

1817
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 6: shooting themselves in.

1818
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 5: Some plays in that game, no doubt. But I would

1819
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 5: say over the balance of those first three games, he

1820
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 5: did not play well. So do you think if that

1821
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 5: happened again this year like last year, he wouldn't have

1822
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 5: lost his job if they just if that play that

1823
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 5: he got hurt on was just a regular last play

1824
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 5: of the game and whatever, he would have played the

1825
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 5: next game. There's no doubt in my mind. But this year,

1826
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 5: do you think if he gets off to a bad

1827
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 5: start again after a month, maybe six weeks, does Bill

1828
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 5: look at it to make them right?

1829
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 6: I think it depends on their record. If they're winning

1830
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 6: and he's just kind of fine, then I don't think

1831
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 6: that they would make a change. I think you only

1832
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:51,759
Speaker 6: make a change if they're losing.

1833
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,480
Speaker 1: There's a big propensity to throw turnovers.

1834
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 5: I agree with you, I don't think it would happen

1835
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 5: unless they're really but I'd say too though.

1836
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: This is something that I've picked up with Evan a

1837
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: lot is playmaker. The word playmaker with him when talking

1838
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: about Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy. And I mean, I

1839
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: don't want to speak for Evan. Of course, we're here

1840
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: at the Patriots, we speak for ourselves. But not like

1841
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, he said, you know, he says a lot

1842
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: of times like Bailey Zappy has a little bit of

1843
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: the playmaker gene maybe that Mac doesn't have, and not

1844
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: really something firm that you can grasp on to, like

1845
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: say this is wide but just watching practice sometimes he's

1846
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: a little bit more willing to to maybe take a

1847
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 1: chance or to you know, maybe try something a little stupid,

1848
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: but it's practice, you know, those kind of things that

1849
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: it's just something I picked up watching this new like

1850
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: side arm thing.

1851
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 5: He's got to put that away.

1852
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he's good.

1853
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 6: Happens a lot so he He's been widely inconsistent throwing

1854
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 6: the football, I think, especially to the first and second

1855
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 6: level for basically all camp, like the That surprises me

1856
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 6: because I thought that he's a pretty accurate guy, like

1857
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 6: he can control the ball for the most part. But

1858
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 6: Mac has really been headed and shoulders above him at

1859
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 6: the first two levels. And I think pre snab Max

1860
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 6: still better than he is. And maybe that's just because

1861
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 6: Max a year ahead, but I still feel like he

1862
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 6: gets the team into the best play and more often

1863
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 6: than Bailey Zappi does. But Zappi's got this just little

1864
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 6: thing about him that he's got a little like he

1865
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 6: doesn't have a big arm, but he does still have

1866
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 6: that game. Yeah, it's just like a little gun slinger

1867
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 6: thing in him, where like he'll move up in the

1868
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 6: pocket or he'll like you know, step up and slide

1869
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 6: to his left or right and then you know, kind

1870
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 6: of whip a side arm throw around a linebacker and

1871
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 6: you're just kind of like, I don't think the other

1872
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 6: guy can do that. Like I think he can do that,

1873
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 6: but I don't think that Mac can do it. But

1874
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 6: Mac consistently hits the layups way more than Bailey Zappi does,

1875
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 6: and that's probably more important.

1876
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: I think that speaks to kind of what Paul was

1877
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: saying about. You know, the people out there that kind

1878
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: of want to give Zappy a chance, I think this

1879
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: is part of what they see in him a little bit.

1880
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: And not that there's a huge sample size to draw from,

1881
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: but they feel it.

1882
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 5: He played parts of four games last year. They were

1883
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 5: two and two in the four games, like he played

1884
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 5: the vast majority of the Green Bay game, I wouldn't

1885
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 5: blame him for the Chicago game. He came in was

1886
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 5: down ten to nothing. His passer rating in those four

1887
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 5: games that he played was one hundred. I mean it

1888
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 5: was well above what and I know passer rating is

1889
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 5: not the be all end all, but it's apples to apples.

1890
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 5: I'm comparing the stats. It was well above what Mac

1891
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 5: Jones did. I personally don't think that ZAPPI. I think

1892
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 5: if he's one of those guys, like a utility player

1893
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 5: in baseball, that if you had to play them all

1894
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 5: the time, you'd eventually see the warts yea, and you

1895
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 5: realize this is why he's a good backup. He can

1896
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 5: go in and he'll do some things like Evan said,

1897
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 5: and maybe take some risks, and when they work, you

1898
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 5: look great.

1899
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: But then when you.

1900
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 5: Try to start week after week after week, you're going

1901
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 5: to see some passes getting batted down, like we've seen

1902
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 5: constantly in camp, we saw in Chicago the game against Chicago.

1903
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between the two guys. But

1904
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 5: I understand why some people look in and say he

1905
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 5: played great those four games. He was better even though

1906
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 5: it was Detroit and Cleveland that he played really well against.

1907
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 5: There's no real context there.

1908
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, back when Detroit wasn't that good.

1909
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 5: Well, the defense was never good for one second of

1910
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 5: the season, and that particular game, none of them plays.

1911
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 2: They went for every fourth down and didn't.

1912
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: Make it, right.

1913
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 5: I mean, if you look back at that game and

1914
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 5: if if that adults it just kicked field goals, it

1915
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 5: would have been a close game, right, But he just

1916
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 5: kept going for it. And not only they weren't getting it,

1917
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 5: some of them they were turning over and ended up

1918
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 5: in the other end zone.

1919
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Nicks in the car and the a stick and hotline.

1920
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: What's up? Nick?

1921
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, first time, long time on my way to

1922
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 15: the Patriots practice with my son Braden right now.

1923
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: Nice.

1924
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 15: Just want to let you know we're definitely part of

1925
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,440
Speaker 15: the silent majority that listened to all the podcasts but don't.

1926
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 14: Call enough to contribute.

1927
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 15: But you guys do a great job. I love everything

1928
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 15: you guys do.

1929
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1930
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 5: We appreciate the hundreds of thousands of you.

1931
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 15: Yeah, there's a lot of us, trust me, there is.

1932
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 15: So got a couple of questions. One, is there anything

1933
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 15: we'll learn about the concept that Bill O'Brien will be

1934
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 15: implementing this year from preseason game number one or is

1935
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 15: it kind of just more like just like what we

1936
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 15: would learned from the kind of like the players. Not much.

1937
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, not much. It's gonna be all vanilla and basic stuff.

1938
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: And you know that that's that's the thing with preseason. Yeah,

1939
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna what you'll see.

1940
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: Though our packages for players, So you'll see all of

1941
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, I don't know, name a running back,

1942
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: we'll get like four or five carries in a row,

1943
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: or they'll start, you know, targeting a certain receiver, uh,

1944
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, in a certain series. So you'll see some

1945
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: of that.

1946
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: I think too, if if if Malie Cunningham gets in

1947
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: and they start running read options stuff like, that'll be

1948
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: kind of fun to watch. I mean, that'd be I

1949
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to be part of their

1950
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: regular season package, but it might just be fun stuff

1951
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: to watch in the preseason that they experiment a little

1952
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: bit with him.

1953
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 6: I think I think they'll they'll run their base play

1954
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 6: and they have to run something, right, So they're gonna

1955
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 6: run their base plays offensively. They're not gonna run any

1956
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 6: of the of the tricks, like, they're not gonna run

1957
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 6: any of the cool stuff, but they'll run their base

1958
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: plays and in a lot of ways like and I'll

1959
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 6: try my best, I'm sure to say, Okay, well, this

1960
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 6: is gonna be their foundational stuff. Then what cool stuff

1961
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 6: can then come off of the foundational stuff that maybe

1962
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 6: is more of that like PhD level that we'll get

1963
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 6: to in the regular season, and that's gonna be the

1964
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 6: stuff that I think, you know, you'll try to spin forward.

1965
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 6: But they they'll run their their base plays. I mean,

1966
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 6: they're gonna run their offense. It's not like they're gonna,

1967
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 6: you know, run a high school offense just because it's

1968
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 6: you'll have.

1969
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: To extrapolate what were you what was your play?

1970
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: Pop leads?

1971
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: Right?

1972
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 6: But you know, if they they run some of their

1973
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 6: you know, some of the things that we've seen in practice.

1974
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 6: I don't want to give too much away, but if

1975
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,839
Speaker 6: they run some of those things, and maybe it's watered

1976
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 6: down for the preseason, but you can see, all right, well,

1977
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 6: once we get into the regular season. This is it's

1978
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 6: gonna be at this next you know kind of iteration

1979
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 6: or this next step, and then we can have some fun.

1980
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: So wit zone.

1981
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: I hope not right, Nick, Thanks for the call. Have

1982
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: fun at practice today.

1983
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 6: Let's get downhill.

1984
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: We'll see out there.

1985
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 2: Uh, Steve's in Treasure Island, Florida.

1986
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: I've been there, it says.

1987
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: Everyone seems to be sleeping on the Patriots with the

1988
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: over under at seven and a half in fourth place

1989
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 2: in the East. What am I missing? Patriots heavy top

1990
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 2: ten or five defense, good running game, likely improved passing

1991
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: attack under Bill O'Brien, and likely a much better kicking game.

1992
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: They were a couple of brain cramps from the playoffs

1993
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: last year. I think they will surprise many teams this year.

1994
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 6: The schedule, that's what you're missing.

1995
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everything he wrote was was right.

1996
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: But that's in this division. That's a lot of uncertainty

1997
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: on the offense.

1998
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 5: Why is the kicking game improved? I guess we're going also,

1999
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 5: don't We're gonna We're gonna have a rookie kicker and

2000
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 5: we're gonna assume that he's gonna make all the kicks

2001
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 5: that Nick Volch dis good.

2002
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good call.

2003
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 6: It's also irrelevant.

2004
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 5: He's also a rookie. We're just going to assume that

2005
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 5: he's going to be better.

2006
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 6: It's also all irrelevant.

2007
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: I agree with that where was the where was the

2008
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: passing offense?

2009
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 6: MATS team is not going to win two more games

2010
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 6: because the special teams is better, I can promise you now.

2011
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: But if all those things are true, they could still

2012
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 2: have a not as good record as last year because

2013
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 2: of the record. I mean, because of the schedule and

2014
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 2: the teams they're playing. They're playing the meat of the

2015
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's some of the best quarterbacks.

2016
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: In the league.

2017
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, the schedule is definitely tougher than last year. And

2018
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 5: I think that people only look all the time when

2019
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 5: you have a disappointing season. You always look at the

2020
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 5: games that you lost in crushing manners like the Raiders

2021
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 5: and you know Cincinnati Vikings.

2022
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: You know Vikings could have won that game.

2023
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 2: Why they that Hunter Henry was a touchdown? They called

2024
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: that back.

2025
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so you still lose. We should have won that game.

2026
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Pay a little better defense, No.

2027
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 5: I know that you play a little better defense. Yes,

2028
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 5: I agree, and if you play a little better offense

2029
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 5: in any of the nine games that you lost, you

2030
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 5: might have won some of those too.

2031
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: You should have won vikings.

2032
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 5: But I just like, no one ever looks at some

2033
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 5: games that you win and say, wow, you know, a

2034
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 5: couple of things fell into place for us on that

2035
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 5: game and we were we found a way to win it.

2036
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 5: Like you know, Kyler Murray tearing his ACL in the

2037
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 5: first series of the game. You know, I'm like, no

2038
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 5: one ever looks it that way, right, you know, the

2039
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 5: almost Marcus Jones returning a punt for a touchdown as

2040
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 5: time expires. Like you don't win a lot of games

2041
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 5: like that, you know, Like, I just think there's some

2042
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 5: balance to be had there. But the bigger overriding factors

2043
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 5: what you guys said, The schedule is more difficult.

2044
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 6: Depending on who you which analytics you like. The Patriots

2045
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 6: by some metrics have the hardest schedule in the NFL.

2046
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: And we think, now maybe the just collapse. We all

2047
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 2: hope that happens, but I don't. I think Aaron Rodgers

2048
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 2: is still a good quarterback, and I think they're going

2049
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 2: to be better than I'll tell you what I liked

2050
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: to beat him by a touchdown in one of the games, and.

2051
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: It was a social team's touchdown both of the games.

2052
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, both of the games. You've beat them by one score. Yeah.

2053
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 5: But what I liked about the email because I've heard

2054
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 5: a lot of that they're going to be better, They're

2055
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 5: going to be better, They're gonna be They're not gonna

2056
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 5: be you know seven, I got the over, and it's

2057
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 5: always that. It's always the Jets that's not gonna work out.

2058
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 5: There's still the Jets, Aaron Rodgers. You know, Miami two

2059
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 5: is gonna get hurt. I mean he's always hurt. And

2060
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 5: look at all the squabbles in Buffalo. That's all I

2061
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 5: ever hear. At least this email told me that we

2062
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 5: have what could be a top five defense, a great

2063
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 5: running game, which should be an improved passing game with

2064
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,879
Speaker 5: Billy Oh, and he's excited about you know, the rookie kickers.

2065
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 5: Like he gave me four factors that you think of

2066
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 5: your team is going to be good. I like that,

2067
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 5: Like that's the way you should look at it. It's

2068
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 5: not hope all the other teams fall apart.

2069
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: I could no.

2070
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that's the basis for optimism, Fred,

2071
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 5: like I would rather have my to go back to you.

2072
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 5: We have to be united behind our quarterback. I want

2073
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 5: to be united behind thinking my team is better than

2074
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 5: you think it is. I think the players on my

2075
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 5: team are better than what Vegas thinks they are.

2076
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

2077
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, not like Aaron ar is forty, he's just gonna

2078
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 5: fall off a cliff.

2079
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 2: Sweet Kid writes in do you guys have faith enough

2080
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 2: in ushe to take it to the next level? Is

2081
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: he a Batman or a Robin? There is a value

2082
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: in both, but I just wonder, well he always needed

2083
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 2: Judon around.

2084
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,759
Speaker 1: I think he's good. I think he's a real good player.

2085
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's got some you know, issues

2086
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: of not being the most well rounded player perhaps that

2087
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: we want him to be. But I think he's gonna

2088
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 1: make a big impact this year. He's fast, he's in

2089
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: his prime. I mean it's just, you know, you get

2090
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: used to watching some of the athletes on this team

2091
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: and their athleticism doesn't really pop, and there's keep using

2092
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: a little pop. But there's a few of them and

2093
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: he's one of them. So I you know, I got

2094
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: to think that he's going to be similarly productive this year,

2095
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: and I think even if Judon were to go down,

2096
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: I think would still be an effective third down guy.

2097
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Maybe not as much, of course, but I think he's

2098
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: a good player. I think he's a good player, and

2099
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him stick around.

2100
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Let's see. This is Ray from Saint Louis shout out

2101
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: to Evan. I really appreciate your tweets during practice. Since

2102
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 2: there's no live PU show there, that's really helpful. I

2103
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: have three questions for you all. One, can you name

2104
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 2: someone that started camp really slow but played a big

2105
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 2: role in our in in that year. One that comes

2106
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: to mind is Jason McCarthy.

2107
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 1: Oh, he did have a slow start too, so somebody

2108
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: thought he was going to make the team.

2109
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 6: He was in the game in the fourth quarter of

2110
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 6: the fourth he thought.

2111
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 5: He was going to get cut, right, Yeah, I know.

2112
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: You gotta tweet him that question, Evan, you some cordy questions.

2113
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: You think he was trying to get anybody else that

2114
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 2: started camp really slow but played a big role later

2115
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: in the year.

2116
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: That's a question for for the twin cast for the

2117
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: preseason when you were playing the fourth quarter of the

2118
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: last preseason game. Sorry, I know we were asking for this. Yeah,

2119
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 1: there you go. I digress.

2120
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 5: It's good probabouldn't wouldn't necessarily looking for questions. I was

2121
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 5: looking for storylines. I received a grand total of zero suggests.

2122
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 6: Well, because I was like, I'm sure you already have

2123
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 6: a lot of them, like to be the big the

2124
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 6: biggest one is like Devin on Gonzales and like what

2125
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 6: it's like to be a rookie corner in this system

2126
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 6: and in that sort of thing like which I'm sure

2127
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 6: you already have.

2128
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 5: So I got you on that one, bro. Yeah, I

2129
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 5: suggested to Matt to and we're gonna go over this

2130
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 5: tomorrow with them, with Jason and Devon. But I like

2131
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 5: to get Devn's thoughts on individual players a that he

2132
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 5: played with a little bit overlapped with, and then specifically you.

2133
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: Can ask them about Chase Winovich because he's on the Texas.

2134
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 5: Now you know, Gonzales was a guy, you know, obviously,

2135
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 5: I'd like to get Devin's thoughts as a former you know,

2136
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,560
Speaker 5: both of their thoughts as former rookie cornerbacks.

2137
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: You know, what have you seen from him? Although I

2138
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: know that they haven't seen much of practice. That was

2139
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: the only day Chase Winovich. My wife goes to me

2140
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: that she's mentioned like a friend of hers that her.

2141
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, Bobby whatever, friend of her, boyfriend of her,

2142
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: got girl she works with. She's he just got a

2143
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: job working for Chase Winovich's company. I'm like, what, like what?

2144
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: What does he have a company here? I think it's

2145
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: like some kind of video Produnce's video.

2146
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, it used to be in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

2147
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Because he loves New Hampshire. I was like, he was

2148
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: here like two years. He didn't really do much. Somehow

2149
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: he's got a production company still based in New England.

2150
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2151
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone told us how good he was.

2152
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: It's like two young guys.

2153
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 1: We had a camera in a micy you know that's

2154
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: just follow me around. Yeah.

2155
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 14: Uh.

2156
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 2: Second question of three, who do you think will be

2157
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 2: our surprise cut?

2158
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: Surprise cut?

2159
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 13: Oh?

2160
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 6: Like surprise cuts.

2161
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just I just I do

2162
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: I I for no other reason. I just wonder about

2163
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Lawrence guy if like what happened with that contract situation

2164
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: where he's at in his career. They don't really have

2165
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: a player to replace him, so I can't really say

2166
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be him, But you know, it's just he've

2167
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: been kind of running these guys, the veterans up front.

2168
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: I just is something going to change this year with that?

2169
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, no signs have told me yes,

2170
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: but I don't.

2171
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: I don't surprise if they cut Mac, that would be

2172
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 2: a surprise.

2173
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: Fred. Yeah.

2174
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 5: The one I threw out before camp started is Adrian Phillips.

2175
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 5: I do not think he's getting cut. I don't. I

2176
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 5: still don't, didn't then don't now. I just feel like

2177
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 5: that's a there's a lot of depth that that spot.

2178
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 5: He's sort of a veteran guy, some wear and tear.

2179
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: I'd almost throw Mills in that conversation. I don't think

2180
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: he's gonna get cut. He's versatile, they've got cornerback depth issues.

2181
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: But you know, is he really going to be a

2182
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: factor in that safety group. I mean, it does look

2183
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: like he is going to be. But he's another one

2184
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,560
Speaker 1: that will maybe surprise me, but not totally totally surprised me.

2185
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 6: Jalen Mills is the one I would go with, just

2186
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,839
Speaker 6: because if either of those rookie corners, Speed or Bolden

2187
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 6: is going to end up being something, and I think

2188
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 6: Joshua Bloedsoe when he gets his opportunities, you know, he

2189
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 6: doesn't look like out of place.

2190
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: A couple plays the other day, I think.

2191
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 6: But ultimately I think that the Jack Jones situation, you

2192
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 6: gotta keep, you gotta keep Jalen Mills because he might

2193
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 6: have to play outside courts.

2194
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 5: I love that question. We get it every year at camp.

2195
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 5: I love the surprise, but like I just I feel

2196
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 5: like it is always one of the most misunderstood answers

2197
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 5: that we have. The answer is probably nobody that's really

2198
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 5: gonna take you. Like even Lawrence guy, like you would

2199
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 5: look back and you'd say, well, yeah.

2200
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 2: The fact that we're thinking there could be a reason

2201
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be that he's.

2202
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 5: Many kids, you know, he know he's bitching about his contract,

2203
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 5: and they kind of got to you know, like, well,

2204
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 5: what's the difference between this guy and that guy?

2205
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like if they if they really going

2206
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 2: to be David Harris, Kevin Harris, I always call him

2207
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: that would I mean, that would be a surprise.

2208
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: But see some of these though, were like that would

2209
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: be stupid, like why would you cut?

2210
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 5: You know, like some of them it's like Taekwon Thornton,

2211
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 5: you could say, like, and that just to me doesn't

2212
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 5: make any sense. That's a second, you know, rookie contract.

2213
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 5: Second year. They're not cutting, no, no, no, But that's

2214
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 5: that's what would make it a surprise.

2215
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,919
Speaker 1: Unless Booty catches another ball today.

2216
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 5: And now if Booty can catch one with his foot

2217
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 5: today instead of it just one, you.

2218
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 2: Kind of have to say, I didn't see that coming, right, right,

2219
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 2: and so right, and.

2220
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Just by the nature of the exercise.

2221
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 5: And there's almost never like listen, we all do roster

2222
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 5: projections and none of us get all fifty three exactly right, Okay,

2223
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 5: but everybody's pretty close. And the guys that ended up

2224
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 5: getting cut, it's usually what you're thinking when you're having

2225
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 5: you know these you know his booty gonna be on

2226
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 5: the practice squad or on the roster. Well they kept

2227
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 5: him this week and then next week it changes or whatever.

2228
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 5: It's never like mac Jones got cut. Didn't see that coming.

2229
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the one only surprise was cam Like

2230
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 6: that was probably the one only the only one that

2231
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 6: I was last year, I think, didn't they it was

2232
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 6: last year of the year before they initially cut Myles

2233
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 6: Bryant at some point and like that was like the

2234
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 6: surprise cut of the whole thing, And if Miles Brian

2235
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 6: is the surprise cut of your of your cut down.

2236
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 5: And with those guys, I would say, like even that

2237
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 5: has got a story behind it, because you know he's

2238
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 5: coming back. I mean, a guy that they like, you

2239
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 5: just don't see him getting cut and he's gone. They

2240
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 5: just cut him and that's it. He didn't fit.

2241
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I screwed around a little bit

2242
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: with Pat's Picker, which is just like an app online

2243
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: that they have the roster all updated and you can

2244
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: make your own fifty three months. I don't find it

2245
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 1: all that hard this year. There's not a lot of

2246
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: like hard cuts or anything.

2247
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 5: I never find it hard, but I mean I'm also

2248
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 5: never right, you know what I mean. But I find

2249
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 5: pretty easy to get down. There's been many times, as

2250
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 5: you know, I get down to fifty one or so, yeah, yeah.

2251
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I paid him some guarantee money and I.

2252
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 5: Think he's like, yeah, it's a good one.

2253
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Of all the kind of like little special teams things

2254
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: they did this offseason, that feels like the one, you know.

2255
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 2: What, we'd rather keep that extra receiver. We got to

2256
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: make space.

2257
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: Now because he can play linebacker two.

2258
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 5: And we talked about a lot of like the breakup

2259
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 5: of the breakup of positions on offense. You're a little

2260
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 5: short on tight ends, you're a little short on wide receivers,

2261
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 5: You're a little short on running backs. So one of

2262
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 5: those is going to feature more guys staying than you thought.

2263
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 5: But there's probably gonna open up some roster spots for

2264
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 5: other guys because think about it. I mean, are you

2265
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 5: gonna kick keep Foster and Socle or Lumpkin to go

2266
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 5: with the other two, or you're gonna keep you know,

2267
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 5: is time Montgomery you're going to be part of this team?

2268
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 5: You know, I suppose he could be, even he's been hurt,

2269
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 5: yeah for a week and a half. You know, do

2270
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 5: you end up keeping all five of those running backs

2271
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 5: like J J.

2272
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 1: Taylor? Does he stay?

2273
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, yeah, someone's got to go.

2274
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Third question, do you think we won't hear anything about

2275
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 2: Zeke until we see what Dalvin Cook gets?

2276
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I'd like to make a

2277
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: move sooner and later.

2278
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think Elliott has anything to do

2279
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 5: with Dalvin Cook. I think Elliott is probably shopping around.

2280
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 5: I think he's seeing like the you know, Benjamin Kidd

2281
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 5: from the Saints, who was supposed to step in for

2282
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 5: Alvin Kamara, and now they're supposedly talking to Kareem Hunt. Right,

2283
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 5: maybe Zeke is saying.

2284
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 1: Hey, what else is gonna come? Else?

2285
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 5: Shake loose, someone else gets hurt.

2286
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that that's exactly what's happened. I think

2287
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 6: all the running backs are waiting to see if the

2288
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 6: attrition of camp in the preseason, who gets unfortunately, who

2289
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 6: gets hurt? And where does that help out my market?

2290
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 6: Because right now, Dalvin cook his offer from the Jets

2291
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 6: apparently is extremely low, like nowhere.

2292
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 5: Close half half of what he was looking for according

2293
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 5: to Fred Toucher.

2294
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, really not close to what he expected. And I'm

2295
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 6: sure Zeke's is even less than Dalvin Cooks. So it's

2296
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 6: it's tough sleather.

2297
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 2: Sobo Elliott's only twenty eight, is that true?

2298
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sounds about right?

2299
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Boy. A lot of wearing those tires though, right right?

2300
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well, he carried the ball aton at

2301
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 6: Ohio State also, so you know he's first five years

2302
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 6: from like the last two at Ohio State to the

2303
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 6: first three in Dallas. It's got to be well over

2304
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:22,839
Speaker 6: a thousand carries.

2305
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Hello Marine Claire. Hello, do you think we

2306
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 2: can get Soco and Firks or so four tight ends?

2307
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 1: No, there's no way, Yeah, just kidding.

2308
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 6: What I find interesting is, like, dude, well they well,

2309
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 6: they roll the dice of getting those guys back on

2310
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 6: the practice squad with the intention of maybe elevating them

2311
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,560
Speaker 6: on game day a couple of times before they officially

2312
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 6: have to make a move to put them on the

2313
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 6: fifty three. Because once you get into a couple weeks

2314
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 6: in the season, somebody ends up on injured reserve and

2315
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 6: now all of a sudden you have a roster spot.

2316
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 6: I think it's possible that they just roll the dice

2317
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 6: and they got three guys, and if you want to

2318
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 6: throw Scottie Washington in there too, it is not really

2319
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,759
Speaker 6: a tight end, but still four guys that all could

2320
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 6: probably make a case for the third tight end spot.

2321
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 6: So might as well just cut all four of them,

2322
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 6: and whoever getends up back on the practice squad is

2323
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 6: is your depth?

2324
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: Heartless? Seven? I think so play a ton in the

2325
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: preseason though, too, I think, I mean, I think he

2326
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: has a legit shot just to make the team. Straight up,

2327
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, with what they need and his size, and

2328
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: he's had a good camp.

2329
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 5: I would say he's been the best on a more

2330
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 5: consistently basis of that group. You know, if you wanted

2331
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 5: to throw ferks are in there, Mike, maybe you sort

2332
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 5: of sell yourself on the fact that he can play

2333
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 5: in the backfield too, you know, like in that the

2334
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 5: role that that Evan talked about earlier. Maybe you save

2335
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 5: a roster spot doing that. You know, I don't know,

2336
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 5: I think there are I think it's reasonable to expect

2337
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 5: any of those guys to get cut and you'd be

2338
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 5: able to hold on practice squad.

2339
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: I forgot about him.

2340
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 6: I do so last year they carried two tight ends,

2341
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 6: just Hunter Henry Johnny Smith. But the year before they

2342
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 6: had Yakub, so they carried two tight ends and a

2343
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 6: full back. So I kind of counted as three.

2344
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 5: And Soco was on the practice squad all year, right,

2345
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 5: diet I remember, Yeah, And then Scotty Washington was elevating late.

2346
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wonder, like, who's the little Jordan, Like

2347
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,600
Speaker 6: some one of those guys is gonna get like is

2348
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 6: gonna get like the couple game day elevations just for

2349
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 6: a blocking role, whether it's Socle or Ferbster. I think

2350
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 6: are the leaders in that clubhouse, and maybe eventually it

2351
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 6: either doesn't work and gets cut like Little Jordan, or

2352
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 6: they end up signing.

2353
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,679
Speaker 2: Him Kevin from Dublin. With each passing month, I'm more

2354
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 2: convinced that Mac Jones won't have his option picked up

2355
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 2: by the Patriots. Let's say it is a given that

2356
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 2: Mac has gone after twenty twenty four. Do you think

2357
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 2: that the Don shul record chase will make it likely

2358
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots will seek out a known quantity and free

2359
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 2: agency such as will build prioritize having a good team

2360
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 2: to beat the Shulele record rather than take the risks

2361
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 2: to win the Lombardi.

2362
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 6: So I will say right now that I would I

2363
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 6: would be absolutely floored if they don't pick up his

2364
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 6: fifth year option. Yeah, he would literally he would have

2365
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 6: to completely crater for them to not pick up the

2366
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 6: fifth year option, because it's a.

2367
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 5: Good deal and it's team control, like it's just.

2368
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 2: And if you don't pick it up, do you just

2369
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: get rid of him at that point and not play

2370
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 2: have him played that fifth year because now he's upset.

2371
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: The fourth year Daniel Jones thing well, that's the thing,

2372
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 1: is like, look at what happened to look at what

2373
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: happened to the Giants and Daniel Jones exactly where I

2374
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: was going.

2375
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 6: They didn't pick up his fifth year option because he's stunk,

2376
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Speaker 6: fair like fairly they didn't pick it up, but then

2377
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 6: they ended up having to grossly overpay him for his

2378
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 6: fifth season because he had a decent fourth year. Right,

2379
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 6: So that's the risk that you run. And if they

2380
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 6: go if Mac has like an okay third season but

2381
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 6: it's nothing special, and then next offseason they actually make

2382
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 6: a move for a receiver or something like that, then

2383
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 6: he has this this really good fourth year. Now you're

2384
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 6: looking at paying him at forty five million dollars in

2385
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 6: his fifth year instead of twenty. So it just that's

2386
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 6: not a good deal financially. It just doesn't make any

2387
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 6: sense unless he's really terrible.

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01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 5: He'd have to be really bad. I agree with Evan.

2389
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 5: I would say it's probably somewhere above ninety percent that

2390
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 5: they would pick up the fifth year option. Too good

2391
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 5: of a deal. They're about the deal that's next spring.

2392
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can trade him on the fifth year

2393
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 6: option too, Like if you end up deciding that he's

2394
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 6: not your guy, but somebody else is intrigued. And it's

2395
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 6: as we keep saying, it's it's a decent deal for

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01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 6: a starting quarterback. Then he's tradable.

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Speaker 2: Dan of Virginia and Michigan shout out to Chris psa

2398
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 2: Ferrara whenever he has to give us another show update

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01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 2: on Facebook because something is changed with the practice schedule.

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01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 2: I always think of Edelman's words to build Venovich in

2401
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen to fifteen as Divisional game about the

2402
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 2: rest earning their pay with THEMS. So I know, I

2403
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 2: guess Chris is good about informing the community.

2404
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: When there's Vinovich's drinking the water and he looks at Edelman,

2405
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: he goes, I see I see no Christ Yeah, I saw.

2406
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: I saw that update today. I tried to take to

2407
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 1: Twitter let people know.

2408
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 2: Dan says, you don't seem to be that enthusiastic about

2409
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 2: the return of Flowers to the team, which is reasonable

2410
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 2: given his lack of impact since he left the Patriots.

2411
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 2: Is it possible, though, that he's one of those players

2412
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 2: who fits best in a particular system and he'll be

2413
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 2: better with the Patriots, or maybe he'll be the defensive

2414
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 2: equivalent of a super backup, given his versatility during his

2415
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 2: last stint on the New England defensive line.

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01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 6: It's gotta be healthy.

2417
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 1: It's healthy.

2418
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 5: He was in the same system in Detroit and Miami.

2419
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,759
Speaker 5: They had Patriots defensive coaches teaching the same kinds of systems.

2420
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, he was not good in nineteen with Detroit.

2421
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 6: He had the same exact year basically in nineteen in

2422
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 6: Detroit as he had in eighteen with the Patriots. But

2423
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,160
Speaker 6: he's made I think he's played in eighteen of fifty

2424
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 6: games over the last three years. So I don't think

2425
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 6: it's about.

2426
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 2: The lower body, upper body. What's his issue.

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01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 6: The last year it was his foot. I think he

2428
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 6: broke a bone in his foot, this weird stuff.

2429
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: I think he played like four games. It was the

2430
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: same thing though. I mean because the Patriots had him

2431
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 1: in last year. I remember they were kicking the tires

2432
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: on him and I didn't feel like he was healthy. Yeah,

2433
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: So according.

2434
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:24,160
Speaker 2: To I Live, do you think they won't be in

2435
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 2: pads today?

2436
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 1: Right? I doubt it. I don't know. I don't know.

2437
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why I'm trying to speculate.

2438
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 5: They're going to have a walk through tomorrow. So Why

2439
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 5: wouldn't you be in pads today?

2440
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. They went pretty hard yesterday, you know

2441
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 2: they had tackling drills and all that.

2442
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they did that last week too, and they

2443
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 5: have pads two days.

2444
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: I would love it. I guess I'm just being a

2445
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 1: pessimist because I'd love them to be in pats today.

2446
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: But I don't.

2447
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,759
Speaker 5: I don't know the answer, but I wouldn't be stunned

2448
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 5: either way. And well more to watch love it. No,

2449
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 5: that was an off air thing, almost put on air.

2450
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 5: I don't want to get anybody.

2451
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 2: In trouble, uh, Jamel writes in a huge fan of

2452
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 2: the broadcast out of New Jersey. My question for the

2453
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 2: Patriots Nation team is the following, How optimistic are you

2454
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 2: guys that the Patriots make a late splash trade for

2455
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 2: position upgrades such as offensive line depth on a scale

2456
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:15,679
Speaker 2: from one to ten.

2457
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 6: One being optimized.

2458
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 5: If it's a splash trade, it's not for depth. If

2459
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 5: you're making a splash trade, you're getting like Jonah Williams

2460
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 5: and you're going to start them at tackle someone like that. Right, Yeah,

2461
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 5: that's a splash.

2462
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 6: I'm assuming ten is like, I'm optimistic that that will

2463
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 6: happen right then, I'm putting it out about a two. Yeah,

2464
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 6: I think Jonah Williams is pretty much the only guy

2465
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 6: that maybe could be starting caliber for you at tackle

2466
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 6: that's available or could be potentially available.

2467
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 1: What do you have to give up? What do you have?

2468
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 13: Like?

2469
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 5: And I think splashes in the eye of the beholder too,

2470
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 5: Like I think a lot of people would probably tell

2471
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 5: you that signing Trade Flowers is a splash move, name

2472
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 5: name brand, right, because everybody knows who he is and

2473
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 5: he had success here, right. But my guess is they'll

2474
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 5: add some they'll add more guys, and I wouldn't be surprised, Like,

2475
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 5: what do you have to give up for him?

2476
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:06,479
Speaker 1: Right now?

2477
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 5: He's fighting for a job in Cincinnati, like a mid rock.

2478
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 5: Maybe it's one of those you give them a fifth

2479
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 5: rounder and they give you a sixth rounder. You swap

2480
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 5: spots on the fifth and sixth, And I don't think

2481
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 5: it would cost a ton to get a guy.

2482
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 6: It'd also be like an incentive based like if he

2483
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 6: actually plays right and doesn't get hurt.

2484
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 1: How many times, too, do we have during cutdown weekend

2485
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you know it's happened a

2486
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: couple of times that they go out and they get

2487
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's a guy that wasn't even

2488
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 1: with them at Camp Thorty, Snap trade.

2489
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,560
Speaker 5: Claim, a guy off waivers somewhere.

2490
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: And that's like the kind of thing with Joona Williams,

2491
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like this is just you're gonna

2492
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 1: cut him. We just want to make sure we get him.

2493
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Speaker 1: So here's like, you know, a conditional seventh if he

2494
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: pays for us, and we'll get him before cutdown day.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a quick break and then we'll

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Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered, our last segment.

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Speaker 2: A few more minutes left to go in the show

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Speaker 2: before we head out toward practice. Practice officially starts around one.

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Speaker 1: Bill's going against Bill at twelve fifteen.

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01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 2: I believe it is Bill at twelve.

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01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 5: That'll be on Patriots dot Com.

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01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:30,480
Speaker 6: Out on the field, twelve thirty doesn't hold.

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01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 2: On, He'll show up at quarter to one anyway.

2552
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 5: I don't want to give the wrong information. Yeah, Tuesday, Yes,

2553
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 5: Evan is corrected as twelve thirty.

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01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 2: Two thirty, So that'll be live on Patriots dot Com. Yeah,

2555
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 2: and then practice will start around one and then we'll

2556
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 2: see it.

2557
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 1: Seems like every year I forget what the heck the

2558
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 1: schedule is because it's that weird period in between the

2559
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 1: game on Thursday night off Friday. It's that Saturday, Sunday

2560
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 1: Monday kind of void. Assuming they're going to go to.

2561
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,639
Speaker 2: Have we found out if the have access after today.

2562
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: I have not. Yeah, that's what That's what I was

2563
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 1: getting at. I'm not sure. Is there a weird portion

2564
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: where they close it to the public, but yes, I

2565
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:08,560
Speaker 1: have it.

2566
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 5: They have done that occasionally in the past. I'm wondering if.

2567
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 5: I don't think they did it last year. But I'm

2568
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 5: wondering if because there are still four more open to

2569
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 5: the media and the public in Green Bay and Tennessee,

2570
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 5: like there's no need to do that, right, They could

2571
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 5: just close it up and.

2572
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 6: Well, it depends on who you ask, because there there

2573
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 6: are media like guidelines or I wouldn't call them rules

2574
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 6: because they're not really It's not like we have a

2575
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:35,799
Speaker 6: CBA for the media.

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01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 2: Are you saying if they didn't do that to be

2577
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 2: local grousing.

2578
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 6: There would be there would be grousing. There would be

2579
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 6: there be grousing. Let's leave it at that.

2580
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's going to be grousing. That's what

2581
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 5: they do shirt. But I also would say, you know,

2582
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:53,679
Speaker 5: heading into training camp, you know, just looking at other teams,

2583
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:57,759
Speaker 5: you know, and they'll say, oh uh, you know, Washington

2584
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 5: announced their open dates for training camp, but eight open

2585
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 5: dates open to the public and the media or twelve

2586
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 5: open dates for this team, you know, ten open dates.

2587
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 5: So I don't think that would be sixteen open dates

2588
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 5: to the media counting the four a lot. This is

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Speaker 5: today is twelve and there's four more to come. That's

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Speaker 5: a lot. Like I don't think that they quote unquote

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01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 5: would have to do anything right, you know, despite grouse

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01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:22,799
Speaker 5: I agree with Evan. I think they'll be grouseing.

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Speaker 6: They don't have to do anything. But I think technically

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01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 6: we would still be in training camp, and that would

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01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 6: mean that those practices are supposed to be open to

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Speaker 6: the media. Whether or not they actually have to follow

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01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 6: that or those rules is a totally different desaise.

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Speaker 5: In along those lines, it is also possible that some

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01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 5: of these other ones that I just mentioned, that's when

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01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 5: they're closer to the public, and the media for all

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01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 5: I know, was still allowed to go for any of those, right,

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01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,600
Speaker 5: you know, So there's a chance I would say that

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01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 5: they're probably not going to practice Friday or Saturday, Sunday

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01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 5: and Monday, you know, before they they're scheduled.

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01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 1: To go to Green Bay on Tuesday. I don't know yet.

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01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 5: I haven't heard, I think, because isn't it Wednesday Thursday?

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01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 5: Nice practices? Yeah, so they'll go on So they'll probably

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01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 5: go on Tuesday. They could even be a practice over

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01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 5: to the media on Tuesday before they go. If they

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01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 5: went and the no one knows when they're going, right, right,

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01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 5: my guess is they would leave at some point on Tuesday.

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01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, I wouldn't be stunned if the media is invited.

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Speaker 1: To watch a couple more practices.

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01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 5: I hope they do. The the media can go, but

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01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 5: what's limited to you know, Evan good Media. Yeah, the

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01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 5: good Media, the one one per outlet and get into

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01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 5: regular season mode.

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01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 6: That's the dream.

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01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,679
Speaker 2: Reduce and Evan will be out there in Green Bay

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01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 2: for the joints. We don't know what time the practices

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01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:45,719
Speaker 2: will be, but at some point one of you will

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01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,680
Speaker 2: call in and give us an update, either before, you know,

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Speaker 2: after practice or during practice if the show go insides.

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01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 5: Like next a week from Thursday, right, you guys will

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01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:56,840
Speaker 5: be on the practice field.

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01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:00,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so they've been practicing at ten thirty in

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01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,679
Speaker 1: the morning, which will be eleven eleven thirty here, so yeah,

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01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 1: we could We could probably call in like at the

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01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:06,600
Speaker 1: end of after practice.

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01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 5: So that'd be great. We'll have live updates. Fred and

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01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,560
Speaker 5: I will anchor the coverage here from Foxborough.

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01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice, it's Wolf Blitzer anchored the coverage. Yeah, I'm excited.

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01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: It's I've never been to Green Bay, so it'll.

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01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:19,759
Speaker 5: Be Green Bay cool. Like the whole Lambeau experience is cool.

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01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's cool. The rest of Green Bay is well, yeah,

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01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 6: it's a cow town. But did Lambeau Going to Lamba

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01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 6: for the first time last year was a bucket list

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01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 6: for sure?

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01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well listen, we're going to wrap up the

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01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 2: show a little early. We've all got a lot of

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01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 2: work to do today, so thanks for listening, calling, emailing.

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01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 2: Remember Thursday, no PU, but there is our first pregame

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01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 2: show at four thirty Eastern time. Catch twenty two tomorrow

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01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 2: at two with Evan and alex.

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01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 5: So preseason open or otherwise known as the Paul Perillo Show.

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01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, forget about that.

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01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:01,400
Speaker 2: We'll talk. We'll talk on Thursday.

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