WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 11/21: 3 Up/Down vs. Rams, Dolphins Preview, Maye's Development 0:00:30.658 --> 0:00:34.697 Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you 0:00:34.698 --> 0:00:38.858 inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots, 0:00:38.857 --> 0:00:42.698 and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's 0:00:42.698 --> 0:00:46.138 Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex 0:00:46.178 --> 0:00:48.937 Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team. 0:00:49.018 --> 0:00:51.098 He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's 0:00:51.138 --> 0:00:53.978 really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're 0:00:54.018 --> 0:00:56.018 really not talking about them, really knowing. 0:00:57.458 --> 0:01:05.098 Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This 0:01:05.217 --> 0:01:08.497 is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar 0:01:08.618 --> 0:01:09.818 and Alex Barth. 0:01:11.018 --> 0:01:13.697 Blazar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as 0:01:13.738 --> 0:01:17.498 always by our bar Gack gack risk Jo. 0:01:18.978 --> 0:01:21.578 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. 0:01:21.618 --> 0:01:25.258 And it says Debreeze n Foles p Manning. I did 0:01:25.298 --> 0:01:25.858 not know. 0:01:26.378 --> 0:01:28.058 I knew there was a Jay Capp. I forget if 0:01:28.098 --> 0:01:29.978 it was Joe Capp or Jim Kapp, so I said 0:01:29.978 --> 0:01:32.978 some guy. Then I clicked on the link and it loaded, 0:01:33.258 --> 0:01:37.137 and then I saw Sid Luckman, George Blanda y A Tittle, 0:01:37.458 --> 0:01:39.378 Joe Cap and Adrian Burke. 0:01:39.498 --> 0:01:41.858 You have some respect on why Tittle's name? All right, 0:01:43.298 --> 0:01:45.698 that's so true. Why A Tittle was ahead of his time? 0:01:45.777 --> 0:01:48.618 I respect Sid Luckman also way ahead of his time, 0:01:48.698 --> 0:01:51.738 like Sid M. Luckman was actually throwing the ball down 0:01:51.738 --> 0:01:52.178 the field. 0:01:52.298 --> 0:01:54.218 See this is weird because this comes from the guy 0:01:54.258 --> 0:01:56.898 who like refuses to acknowledge errors when you talk about 0:01:56.898 --> 0:01:57.578 who the best player is. 0:01:57.658 --> 0:02:00.498 Yeah, oh no, this, I'm dead set on that tape. 0:02:00.578 --> 0:02:02.218 So then, how is Sid Luckman one of the best 0:02:02.218 --> 0:02:03.338 of all times? I did say he was one of 0:02:03.338 --> 0:02:06.498 the best of all times? No, I did not. No, 0:02:06.578 --> 0:02:10.178 I did not. I said he was ahead of his time. 0:02:10.377 --> 0:02:12.058 I did not say he was one of the best 0:02:12.098 --> 0:02:14.898 of all time. I said he was ahead. When host 0:02:14.978 --> 0:02:18.498 don't listen, I said ahead, not best. But I am 0:02:18.738 --> 0:02:21.258 very dead set on that. You cannot have a conversation 0:02:22.018 --> 0:02:25.938 about the greatest players in any respective sport of all 0:02:26.018 --> 0:02:30.097 time without like everybody says, well, it's a different era. Okay, 0:02:30.218 --> 0:02:33.578 But if I'm putting a basketball team together, am I 0:02:33.658 --> 0:02:36.178 gonna take Lebron James Or am I gonna take the 0:02:36.738 --> 0:02:40.498 great great Bill Russell. I'm taking Lebron James like I 0:02:40.978 --> 0:02:41.978 just it's not even. 0:02:41.978 --> 0:02:44.338 Russell's a bad example there because he beat played a 0:02:44.377 --> 0:02:46.377 different style, but he's probably a guy that would have 0:02:46.418 --> 0:02:46.858 been good. 0:02:46.738 --> 0:02:50.538 And he would have been like a rim running five. 0:02:50.618 --> 0:02:53.418 You're talking about your your ear, talking more about a 0:02:53.458 --> 0:02:54.097 guy like. 0:02:56.618 --> 0:02:56.778 Other. 0:02:56.938 --> 0:03:01.498 Okay, I'll give you a better example, Okay, Don Hudson, Yeah, 0:03:01.818 --> 0:03:04.418 you cannot tell me careful now you don't want Bill here. Now, 0:03:04.498 --> 0:03:08.018 you cannot tell me Don Hudson that Don Hudson and 0:03:08.138 --> 0:03:12.778 Randy Moss are the same, are the same species obviously, 0:03:12.778 --> 0:03:15.378 like they're they're not even they're not. One is a 0:03:15.418 --> 0:03:17.298 cyborg and one is very human. 0:03:17.178 --> 0:03:20.578 Because one guy played in an error where they understood that, 0:03:20.818 --> 0:03:23.018 you know, drinking a beer and smoking a pack of 0:03:23.058 --> 0:03:25.738 cigarettes at halftime probably wasn't the best idea. 0:03:25.938 --> 0:03:28.818 Okay, but I offense to people that then go ahead 0:03:28.898 --> 0:03:32.738 and say that Don Hudson and is somehow better than 0:03:33.018 --> 0:03:38.378 Randy Moss, Terrell Owens or you know, name another like 0:03:38.618 --> 0:03:42.418 Calvin Johnson. Like no, no, and I don't I don't 0:03:42.418 --> 0:03:45.898 adjust for era, like I clearly am taking Calvin Johnson 0:03:45.938 --> 0:03:48.498 over God. I u's think that that is implied. 0:03:48.778 --> 0:03:51.218 But the guy, it's like the thing when you do 0:03:51.258 --> 0:03:53.218 strength to schedule, you can only play the team on 0:03:53.258 --> 0:03:56.577 your schedule, right, How good Mike don Hudson have been 0:03:56.978 --> 0:04:01.298 if he had these diets and these weight training regimens 0:04:01.298 --> 0:04:02.298 and this and that was. 0:04:02.298 --> 0:04:04.778 Like one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet. They didn't 0:04:04.818 --> 0:04:08.098 like work out back. Oh my god. Also, there's some 0:04:08.138 --> 0:04:10.578 great receivers. Now we're gonna talk about Jalen wall How 0:04:10.658 --> 0:04:14.338 much of Jalen wall Away? You know, I don't know 0:04:14.378 --> 0:04:17.978 one hundred eighty pounds soaking wet? How much Devonte Smith Way? 0:04:18.018 --> 0:04:21.618 You love Damante? How much Devonte Smith so like I 0:04:21.898 --> 0:04:22.898 It's it's insane. 0:04:22.978 --> 0:04:28.217 Obviously, obviously we know that guys from the sixties were 0:04:28.258 --> 0:04:31.777 are different athletes, are different raw athletes than modern players 0:04:31.818 --> 0:04:34.258 because they have a complete from the time they are born. 0:04:34.577 --> 0:04:37.457 There's a completely different regimen to get them ready. Have 0:04:37.498 --> 0:04:39.698 you ever seen I think you just acknowledged that and 0:04:39.738 --> 0:04:42.338 move on. There are a handful of guys I think 0:04:42.337 --> 0:04:44.058 Transcenderra Moss is one. 0:04:44.337 --> 0:04:47.298 Have you have you ever seen like old old footage 0:04:47.298 --> 0:04:50.417 of like Babe Ruth swinging a baseball bat? Yeah? Yeah, 0:04:50.498 --> 0:04:54.337 he like that would not work. That would not work, obviously, 0:04:54.457 --> 0:04:58.458 but literally obviously everybody because it's like a running joke 0:04:58.538 --> 0:05:00.498 now for so many reasons that Bayberth wouldn't be good 0:05:00.498 --> 0:05:04.818 in the modern modern big leagues, but he still found 0:05:04.857 --> 0:05:08.578 a way and managed to be better than so much 0:05:08.618 --> 0:05:11.538 better than everybody else at the same time who had 0:05:11.538 --> 0:05:14.257 the same resources he had. That doesn't count for anything. 0:05:14.298 --> 0:05:16.098 I didn't say it doesn't count for anything. I just 0:05:16.138 --> 0:05:19.937 don't want to hear of these guys ranked ahead of 0:05:20.138 --> 0:05:22.018 modern guys category. 0:05:22.138 --> 0:05:24.658 So okay, So who's a better baseball player, Babe Ruth 0:05:24.698 --> 0:05:25.497 or Bobby Dolbeck. 0:05:25.618 --> 0:05:28.537 Oh my god, that's not what we're talking about. If 0:05:28.538 --> 0:05:31.017 we're gonna do, if we're going to do, we're talking 0:05:31.058 --> 0:05:34.778 about machine. You put him on the same the Bobby 0:05:34.857 --> 0:05:37.418 Dollbacks of the world. We're talking about like Babe Ruth 0:05:37.898 --> 0:05:42.937 versus like, so, then where's one might as well be 0:05:42.977 --> 0:05:45.938 an alien like show heyo Tani. If you told Babe 0:05:45.977 --> 0:05:49.018 Ruth that that because both of them played both ways, right, 0:05:49.058 --> 0:05:51.218 both of them pitch dan hit. If you told Babe 0:05:51.298 --> 0:05:53.778 Ruth that, showe heyo Tani would come along, like eighty 0:05:53.857 --> 0:05:56.498 years ninety years later, he'd be like, that person is 0:05:56.538 --> 0:05:59.938 not real, That is a fictional character. Okay, But then 0:06:00.018 --> 0:06:01.778 all right, if we're just going to default that this 0:06:01.857 --> 0:06:05.017 guy who has more resources to be better at the sport, 0:06:05.258 --> 0:06:07.297 we've learned a lot about the sport over the last 0:06:07.337 --> 0:06:11.057 year year. That's what it is. But that's what you're saying. No, 0:06:11.178 --> 0:06:14.337 it's an evolution, is what I'm saying. It was Ruth 0:06:14.418 --> 0:06:17.577 not Otani to his era. Yeah, and an evolution happened, 0:06:17.618 --> 0:06:20.578 and now Shoo Tani happened. Okay, but Ruth didn't have 0:06:20.618 --> 0:06:23.378 the benefit of the evolution. So who's to say, what 0:06:23.378 --> 0:06:25.258 do you mean, who's to say he's not gonna magically 0:06:25.337 --> 0:06:28.337 get evolution? Like he's Babe Ruth and this is Shoo. 0:06:28.618 --> 0:06:30.858 He's not his fault. He played what he did. I'm 0:06:30.857 --> 0:06:32.817 not blaming him for it. I was saying he's not 0:06:32.938 --> 0:06:34.777 better than the people that are playing now, that's all 0:06:34.818 --> 0:06:39.057 I'm saying, but better like on what relative to what? 0:06:39.538 --> 0:06:42.257 To them? If you said, who's a better baseball player, 0:06:42.298 --> 0:06:45.498 showy toy, baby, I'm taking to show who's a better 0:06:45.538 --> 0:06:49.257 baseball player, Babe Ruth bald the dollback. Hey, Patriots fans, 0:06:49.258 --> 0:06:51.698 if you're gonna want to see Toyota's best offers, including 0:06:51.737 --> 0:06:54.498 those not seen on TV. Go to buy Toyota dot 0:06:54.538 --> 0:06:57.178 Com is Tyota's official website for deals from the official 0:06:57.258 --> 0:07:00.778 vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's go places. 0:07:00.778 --> 0:07:03.058 And after that conversation, I'm going to need one of 0:07:03.097 --> 0:07:06.098 these easy to drink, easy to enjoy bud Light, the 0:07:06.138 --> 0:07:09.738 official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. I'm not 0:07:09.778 --> 0:07:11.858 allowing us to debate that any longer. We could have 0:07:11.857 --> 0:07:15.138 gone on for another twenty minutes. And uh, and it's 0:07:15.178 --> 0:07:17.138 just not worth it. You know, you're You're just not 0:07:18.138 --> 0:07:20.898 It's not worth arguing with you over that. H Let's 0:07:20.898 --> 0:07:24.458 talk a little bit of Patriots football and uh, I 0:07:24.977 --> 0:07:27.658 gotta calm down after you got me all riled up 0:07:28.018 --> 0:07:32.858 coming out of the gate. Yeah, very good. Here's here's 0:07:32.857 --> 0:07:35.538 where I'm at right now, or where I wanted to start. 0:07:35.698 --> 0:07:40.618 And of course I wanted to start here before this morning, 0:07:41.378 --> 0:07:44.218 and I wanted to give Alex van Pelt his flowers. 0:07:44.418 --> 0:07:46.618 I still want to give Alex van Pelt his flowers. 0:07:46.938 --> 0:07:49.298 I understand there's a lot if you missed it. This 0:07:49.378 --> 0:07:52.778 morning at his press conference, he was talking about Marcus Jones. 0:07:53.458 --> 0:07:56.538 Marcus Jones reached out to Alex van Pelt said I 0:07:56.578 --> 0:07:59.018 want to help on offense. Alex van Pelt claimed that 0:07:59.058 --> 0:08:02.618 he did not know that Marcus Jones had previously previously 0:08:02.658 --> 0:08:07.738 played on offense for the Patriots. Objectively not a great look, right, 0:08:07.818 --> 0:08:10.258 not a great look that he didn't know that, But 0:08:10.977 --> 0:08:13.538 I'm still not going to say that that supersedes the 0:08:13.578 --> 0:08:16.738 good things that Alex van Pelt has been doing. And 0:08:17.618 --> 0:08:20.858 my whole take with this is there was a lot 0:08:20.898 --> 0:08:23.778 of questions, not for myself, because you know, Alex, you 0:08:23.778 --> 0:08:26.018 can vouch I had said Drake May was going to 0:08:26.058 --> 0:08:28.858 be would you tell me last week I said he 0:08:28.898 --> 0:08:30.778 was going to be an MVP candidate as a rookie 0:08:30.898 --> 0:08:34.618 or whatever. That's what. Yeah, yeah, prob. I don't understand 0:08:34.618 --> 0:08:36.938 why you're so upset. I brought that up. Pro bowler 0:08:36.977 --> 0:08:42.018 as a rookie. Anyways, Alex Van Pelt, in my opinion, 0:08:42.018 --> 0:08:45.698 has done a really great job with this offense. We're 0:08:45.737 --> 0:08:48.538 at that point now the season where I feel pretty 0:08:48.538 --> 0:08:53.338 comfortable saying that unless the wheels completely fall off in 0:08:53.378 --> 0:08:55.658 the last six games of the season for Drake May, 0:08:56.058 --> 0:08:58.578 I want Alex van Pelt back next year as the 0:08:58.578 --> 0:09:01.698 offensive coordinator of the Patriots. The big things to me 0:09:02.298 --> 0:09:05.297 that that are in Van Pelt's favor right now. He 0:09:05.377 --> 0:09:10.138 has Drake May playing on time, in rhythm from the 0:09:10.178 --> 0:09:16.098 pocket and seeing the field extremely well prepared. His mechanics 0:09:16.137 --> 0:09:20.218 are improving, his footwork has improved. Basically, the footwork conversation 0:09:20.298 --> 0:09:23.458 that we spent six months having about this player was 0:09:23.578 --> 0:09:26.857 all waste of time. Like he's completely fixed it within 0:09:26.938 --> 0:09:29.458 the span of a couple of months of working with 0:09:29.578 --> 0:09:34.977 Alex Van Pelt. And I would be really, really weary 0:09:35.818 --> 0:09:39.818 if I were the Patriots of the year one to 0:09:39.938 --> 0:09:44.178 year two jump for Drake May and switching coordinators on 0:09:44.298 --> 0:09:47.618 him from year one to year two. They talk a 0:09:47.658 --> 0:09:50.098 lot about how they don't want to be error repeaters 0:09:50.137 --> 0:09:53.298 with the quarterback development. That would be repeating one of 0:09:53.298 --> 0:09:56.138 the most egregious errors they made of the mac Jones 0:09:56.178 --> 0:09:59.338 era was going from Josh McDaniels to Matt Patricia. Well, 0:09:59.418 --> 0:10:02.898 let me ask you this, are you at all worried 0:10:02.938 --> 0:10:05.417 that it could go? I don't want to phrases. I 0:10:05.458 --> 0:10:08.058 don't know that too well is the phrase, But like, 0:10:09.017 --> 0:10:12.137 when do we get to the tipping point of just 0:10:12.218 --> 0:10:14.497 do other teams start looking at Alex van Pelt to 0:10:14.538 --> 0:10:18.578 poach him, not yet that they end up in that 0:10:18.698 --> 0:10:22.458 sweet spot where the development's there and it's enough, but 0:10:22.538 --> 0:10:23.897 it's not to the point where he's going to get 0:10:23.977 --> 0:10:27.418 head coaching offers. Yeah, I don't think we're there yet 0:10:27.458 --> 0:10:31.418 for him. But what I'm seeing from Van Pelt first 0:10:31.497 --> 0:10:36.778 of all, is I hear what you're saying, because calling 0:10:36.857 --> 0:10:39.218 him a quarterback whisper is probably a little bit strong. 0:10:39.538 --> 0:10:43.138 Like it's six games, right, Like, let's see what it 0:10:43.178 --> 0:10:46.778 looks like over a long larger sample. But for Drake May, 0:10:47.418 --> 0:10:50.738 he has done a fantastic job developing Drake. He just 0:10:50.818 --> 0:10:54.137 has you know, like from the very beginning, he stuck 0:10:54.178 --> 0:10:56.938 to his plan, He stuck to his process. He didn't 0:10:57.017 --> 0:11:01.658 rush it, he didn't drag his feet. He did it perfectly. 0:11:02.017 --> 0:11:07.058 He did, and they have him playing fantastic football. On 0:11:07.137 --> 0:11:09.537 top of that, I feel like there are other things 0:11:10.058 --> 0:11:13.618 that are happening with this offense where we are seeing 0:11:15.017 --> 0:11:19.098 marginal improvements bols from execution and from scheme that have 0:11:19.257 --> 0:11:21.658 me excited about where this thing could head with some 0:11:21.698 --> 0:11:24.458 better players next year. You know, if you have a 0:11:25.377 --> 0:11:28.618 true number one receiver, if you have t Higgins on 0:11:28.698 --> 0:11:31.297 this team next year, if you upgrade the offensive line 0:11:31.338 --> 0:11:34.698 next year, there are bones to this offense where you're 0:11:34.737 --> 0:11:36.898 starting to see it now that Drake is playing, and 0:11:36.938 --> 0:11:40.498 you have a better quarterback play that I really have liked, 0:11:40.778 --> 0:11:44.538 and I think we're making progress there. But more importantly, 0:11:45.458 --> 0:11:48.257 the most important asset that the Patriots have right now 0:11:48.338 --> 0:11:51.977 is Drake May he you know, speaking to a player 0:11:51.977 --> 0:11:55.017 in the locker room earlier today and he said that 0:11:55.058 --> 0:11:57.338 the future is bright because of Drake, like we have 0:11:57.497 --> 0:12:01.778 hope and we want to work harder now because of him. 0:12:01.938 --> 0:12:06.338 It would just be a really big mistake and something 0:12:06.377 --> 0:12:13.257 that I believe bad organizations do is react to external 0:12:13.298 --> 0:12:18.818 criticism first of all, and react to maybe the fact 0:12:18.818 --> 0:12:22.098 that they're not ranked very highly offensively and you know, 0:12:22.218 --> 0:12:25.778 points and DVOA and all that stuff, and just the 0:12:25.857 --> 0:12:30.018 results of it, and not see the bigger picture of 0:12:30.058 --> 0:12:33.098 the progress that they have made from start to finish. 0:12:33.178 --> 0:12:37.818 And bad organizations ruin quarterbacks by moving on from coordinators 0:12:37.818 --> 0:12:39.938 too quickly, and I think moving on from Alex van 0:12:40.017 --> 0:12:42.778 pel in the off season would be doing that. And 0:12:42.818 --> 0:12:44.618 you don't want to be one of those teams Yeah, 0:12:44.658 --> 0:12:46.418 I was talking to somebody about this the other day, 0:12:47.617 --> 0:12:49.857 and it was it actually wasn't in the context of 0:12:49.938 --> 0:12:52.778 Drake may it was in what quarterback we're talking about. 0:12:52.778 --> 0:12:54.218 It might have been Bryce Young. Uh. 0:12:54.338 --> 0:12:57.578 The biggest problem in the NFL right now is teams 0:12:57.658 --> 0:13:02.777 are impatient, right right, like they just expect it to work. 0:13:02.898 --> 0:13:06.098 And and Bill Bill Belichick has actually talked about this, 0:13:06.418 --> 0:13:09.138 I think on I think it was on McAfee about 0:13:09.617 --> 0:13:13.058 you're seeing guys like Sam Darnold and you know your 0:13:13.098 --> 0:13:17.258 Baker Baker Mayfield, right, guys like you get these second 0:13:17.298 --> 0:13:22.338 opportunities and maybe they're not hitting that total ceiling that 0:13:22.458 --> 0:13:25.417 was expected in the draft, but you know they're they're competent, 0:13:25.418 --> 0:13:28.778 they're legitimate starting quarterbacks because, yeah, it turns out it 0:13:28.857 --> 0:13:31.538 takes more than a year to develop quarterback. It's a 0:13:31.658 --> 0:13:34.458 multi year process and there's gonna be ups and downs. 0:13:34.497 --> 0:13:37.698 It's not gonna look great at first. Oh, it was 0:13:37.737 --> 0:13:38.497 Anthony Richardson. 0:13:38.497 --> 0:13:40.098 That's what I was talking about. It is Anthony Richardson. 0:13:41.578 --> 0:13:44.218 A big part of the reason the NFL is struggling 0:13:44.298 --> 0:13:48.058 so much right now developed quarterbacks is in patience. And look, 0:13:48.098 --> 0:13:50.818 there's give and take there. You can't wait forever. Some 0:13:50.857 --> 0:13:53.658 guys are just bad, and you do need to recognize 0:13:53.658 --> 0:13:56.258 when to move on. I think the difference between is 0:13:56.298 --> 0:13:59.098 this guy not ready or is he a bust? So 0:13:59.218 --> 0:14:01.818 remember that thing from like ten years ago, the dress. 0:14:01.898 --> 0:14:04.218 Is it black and blue? Is it white and gold? Right, 0:14:04.977 --> 0:14:07.617 it's tough to tell. It can be really tough to tell. 0:14:07.658 --> 0:14:09.338 It's easy for me to sit here and we could 0:14:09.377 --> 0:14:12.898 go through these quarterbacks. We could play bust or not ready, 0:14:13.058 --> 0:14:14.497 and we could do with Bryce Young, we could do 0:14:14.538 --> 0:14:15.977 with Anthony Richardson, we could do with. 0:14:15.938 --> 0:14:17.098 All these guys. 0:14:17.298 --> 0:14:20.178 It's a lot easier to just spew that than actually 0:14:20.178 --> 0:14:23.458 figure it out. But yeah, to your point, if the 0:14:23.498 --> 0:14:26.018 Patriots are patient, I think Drake may have shown you 0:14:26.138 --> 0:14:28.178 enough at this point that if they're patient, they'll be rewarded. 0:14:28.338 --> 0:14:32.258 But they have to be patient. And when I say patient, 0:14:32.578 --> 0:14:35.418 because some people will hear that and roll their eyes 0:14:36.098 --> 0:14:39.498 and say, oh great, so you know another year of 0:14:39.578 --> 0:14:41.858 kind of doing nothing and waiting, I don't mean it 0:14:41.898 --> 0:14:44.338 in that sense. In that sense, they need to be aggressive. 0:14:44.738 --> 0:14:48.738 What I mean by patient is like, this is not 0:14:48.938 --> 0:14:50.698 what it's going to look. You need to understand this 0:14:50.738 --> 0:14:52.218 is not what it's gonna look like with Drake May 0:14:52.258 --> 0:14:55.378 long term, what he is a rookie. His rookie year 0:14:55.378 --> 0:14:56.618 should not be his best year. 0:14:56.898 --> 0:14:58.778 That's a bad thing. If his rookie year is his 0:14:58.778 --> 0:15:00.258 best what happened to mac Jones? 0:15:00.338 --> 0:15:00.498 Right? 0:15:00.618 --> 0:15:02.458 Yeah, Ideally you want him to keep getting better and 0:15:02.498 --> 0:15:04.778 better and better. And some of that's natural growth, and 0:15:04.818 --> 0:15:07.258 some of that is you're gonna put hopefully more peace 0:15:07.298 --> 0:15:09.178 around him. You're gonna get him a real left tackle, 0:15:09.218 --> 0:15:10.938 you're gonna go out, You're gonna get him that Tuesday 0:15:10.938 --> 0:15:15.178 morning wide receiver, and that's going to increase the level. 0:15:15.218 --> 0:15:17.938 So that's where the patience comes in. Right, don't overreact 0:15:17.978 --> 0:15:20.018 to what it was this year. Instead, you need to 0:15:20.058 --> 0:15:21.218 look at this year and say, all right, and this 0:15:21.298 --> 0:15:23.338 is the first step. How do we continue to build 0:15:23.378 --> 0:15:25.698 on this instead of a new offensive coordinator. 0:15:26.018 --> 0:15:29.178 It's not a full reset button, but it's close. There's 0:15:29.218 --> 0:15:33.657 just so many things that come with changing coordinators. And 0:15:33.858 --> 0:15:36.538 in theory, they could change coordinators and still be in 0:15:36.578 --> 0:15:39.258 the same family of offense. Right, they could go get 0:15:39.498 --> 0:15:42.938 another West Coast guy to run a similar system. But 0:15:43.458 --> 0:15:47.498 even still, you're still changing languages to an extent. The 0:15:47.618 --> 0:15:51.738 comparison I always use with that is like there's different 0:15:51.778 --> 0:15:55.218 dialects in different areas of countries, right, Like you might 0:15:55.658 --> 0:15:58.498 speak different type of Italian in southern Italy than you 0:15:58.538 --> 0:16:00.818 do in Northern Italy, right, and still Italian, and you 0:16:00.818 --> 0:16:04.178 can still understand each other, but there's little nuances that 0:16:04.218 --> 0:16:07.458 are are a little bit different. Right now, the last 0:16:07.458 --> 0:16:07.978 thing that I. 0:16:07.898 --> 0:16:10.657 Want, sorry, it just had and not just in verbiage. 0:16:10.698 --> 0:16:12.778 That could be right Van Peltz the footwork guy, right, 0:16:13.138 --> 0:16:15.378 and maybe you got to tweak the footwork again, or 0:16:15.458 --> 0:16:18.258 maybe you know there's certain players the teams invest in 0:16:18.258 --> 0:16:19.618 that we want to see less of or more of 0:16:19.738 --> 0:16:20.138 or whatever. 0:16:20.258 --> 0:16:23.418 Like you you're changing the path. You maybe aren't changing 0:16:23.418 --> 0:16:25.738 it as much as totally going to a new offensive coordinator. 0:16:25.778 --> 0:16:28.378 But they're on a good path. They should try to 0:16:28.418 --> 0:16:31.018 stay on it. Yeah, that's that's exactly what I'm saying 0:16:31.938 --> 0:16:34.378 when you talk about the footwork stuff, Like Alex Van 0:16:34.418 --> 0:16:37.338 pelt is a big believer in left foot forward. Right, 0:16:37.378 --> 0:16:40.218 when Drake may is in shotgun, his left foot is 0:16:40.258 --> 0:16:44.178 going to be forward to the timing and the rhythm 0:16:44.178 --> 0:16:46.618 of the drop. It helps them with that. Right in 0:16:46.698 --> 0:16:49.537 terms of the steps of you know, three step drop, 0:16:49.858 --> 0:16:52.738 left foot forward, that times up with the routes that 0:16:52.738 --> 0:16:55.578 they're running off of the three step drop. So those 0:16:55.578 --> 0:16:58.418 types of things, those little nuances. He could get an 0:16:58.498 --> 0:17:01.058 offensive coordinator next year that says that I'm a right 0:17:01.098 --> 0:17:03.418 foot forward guy, or I'm a square stance sky like 0:17:03.458 --> 0:17:06.098 Peyton Manning used to do right or whatever, and now 0:17:06.098 --> 0:17:09.378 all of a sudden everything's thrown out the door. Right, 0:17:09.418 --> 0:17:12.338 So I'm just looking at this from a Drake prism, 0:17:12.738 --> 0:17:14.458 and then I also want to talk about some things 0:17:14.458 --> 0:17:17.578 that I've liked or I've been impressed with from a 0:17:17.618 --> 0:17:21.457 scheme perspective. But you have Drake May. You have a 0:17:21.498 --> 0:17:25.058 coach that has Drake May playing well, and don't let 0:17:25.098 --> 0:17:28.618 all the other stuff supersede the most important thing. And 0:17:28.658 --> 0:17:31.458 the most important thing is that Drake May keeps playing well. 0:17:31.618 --> 0:17:33.538 And we talk about this every week. I feel like 0:17:33.618 --> 0:17:35.858 and I know, I feel like I'm repleating myself. But 0:17:36.538 --> 0:17:39.338 eventually down the line, if you want to tell me 0:17:39.378 --> 0:17:41.138 that three years from now, they need to move on 0:17:41.218 --> 0:17:44.778 from Van Pelt for more a shinier new toy. You know, 0:17:44.818 --> 0:17:47.058 someone that's a little bit more innovative and who has 0:17:47.258 --> 0:17:49.578 a little bit more creativity with his play design and 0:17:49.618 --> 0:17:52.018 all that kind of stuff. Then I'll be on board 0:17:52.058 --> 0:17:54.258 if we get to that point. But right now, the 0:17:54.298 --> 0:17:57.937 most important thing is that Drake May is mechanically tied together. 0:17:58.218 --> 0:18:00.658 His eyes are in the right places, his feet are 0:18:00.978 --> 0:18:04.898 in time and online, his mechanics are cleaned up. His 0:18:05.018 --> 0:18:08.578 release looks a lot better and quicker. He's decisive, he's 0:18:08.618 --> 0:18:10.978 playing confident like. Those are the things that you want 0:18:11.018 --> 0:18:14.098 to see. And I really worry about getting a new 0:18:14.138 --> 0:18:16.898 coordinator in here next year that he's going to revert 0:18:16.938 --> 0:18:19.578 back to some of the bad habits he developed at 0:18:19.578 --> 0:18:22.938 North Carolina, which is the last thing that the Patriots 0:18:22.978 --> 0:18:25.258 need or want. The other couple of things from a 0:18:25.298 --> 0:18:28.138 schematic perspective that I've been impressed with. Do you know 0:18:28.218 --> 0:18:30.218 the Patriots tight ends right now are fourth in the 0:18:30.298 --> 0:18:34.418 lead league in receiving yards tight ends there are seventy 0:18:34.498 --> 0:18:37.578 catches for seven hundred and twenty eight yards. Both those 0:18:37.658 --> 0:18:40.378 numbers are fourth in the league. The only teams that 0:18:40.378 --> 0:18:44.418 are ahead of their tight ends are Baltimore with Mark Andrews, 0:18:44.898 --> 0:18:48.218 Vegas with Brock Bauers is having an incredible year, and 0:18:48.378 --> 0:18:50.938 Travis Kelcey and the Kansas City Chiefs. So you're talking 0:18:50.978 --> 0:18:54.418 about probably the three best tight ends in football right now. 0:18:54.858 --> 0:18:57.658 I just named and then Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper 0:18:57.858 --> 0:19:00.618 are the next group. They're fourth in the league. So 0:19:00.658 --> 0:19:02.978 this offense has always done a nice job with tight ends, 0:19:03.178 --> 0:19:06.018 going back to Cleveland within Djoku and Hooper the first 0:19:06.018 --> 0:19:08.378 time when he was there in Cleveland, and those guys 0:19:08.378 --> 0:19:11.578 have always done a nice job producing, but they've really 0:19:11.858 --> 0:19:14.738 used the tight ends well. Henry's having his best year 0:19:14.778 --> 0:19:17.818 as a Patriot right now, on track for the most 0:19:17.898 --> 0:19:20.778 yards and catches in his Patriots career. So you look 0:19:20.778 --> 0:19:23.338 at that just in you know, there's a couple of 0:19:23.338 --> 0:19:25.458 other things, but just looking at the tight ends, they've 0:19:25.498 --> 0:19:27.657 done a really nice job with that position group. And 0:19:27.738 --> 0:19:30.098 I would also just say it really helps a young 0:19:30.178 --> 0:19:33.738 quarter back when you have two six foot five tight 0:19:33.818 --> 0:19:35.298 ends that would like to work in the middle of 0:19:35.298 --> 0:19:37.858 the field. It's a nice safety blanket for Drake May 0:19:37.898 --> 0:19:38.738 to have those two guys. 0:19:38.818 --> 0:19:40.778 Yeah, like you said, we knew this is probably gonna 0:19:40.778 --> 0:19:42.378 be a tight end heavy year, just based off what 0:19:42.458 --> 0:19:45.538 Van Pelton in Cleveland and that that like seven to 0:19:45.578 --> 0:19:47.978 eight yard you know, get to the sticks and turn 0:19:48.018 --> 0:19:50.098 and just sit down. That's been there for them really 0:19:50.098 --> 0:19:52.458 since Drake May came in, and I'm kind of waiting 0:19:52.498 --> 0:19:56.538 to see when teams put more emphasis on taking that away, 0:19:56.818 --> 0:19:59.058 because that's going to open up more opportunities up the 0:19:59.098 --> 0:20:01.538 scene for guys like Pop Douglas, for guys like Kendrick Born. 0:20:01.938 --> 0:20:04.697 But they've been giving that to Drake May, he's been 0:20:04.698 --> 0:20:06.978 taking it. Hunter Henry just does such a I make 0:20:07.018 --> 0:20:09.698 that sound easy, right, run of the sticks, find a spot, 0:20:09.818 --> 0:20:10.418 sit down. 0:20:11.178 --> 0:20:12.578 It's not as easy as it sounds. 0:20:12.618 --> 0:20:14.338 This was something not a tight end, but like that's 0:20:14.698 --> 0:20:17.298 Jacoby Myers was able to be as successful as he 0:20:17.378 --> 0:20:18.978 was so quickly because he had a great knack for this. 0:20:19.018 --> 0:20:21.178 Now he was a quarterback, so he's pretty good at 0:20:21.218 --> 0:20:22.698 kind of knowing what the defense was going to do 0:20:22.738 --> 0:20:25.218 and being able to react. But safety blank's a great 0:20:25.218 --> 0:20:28.058 we're a great way to put it. They've they've they've 0:20:28.058 --> 0:20:30.138 given Drake May kind of an easy answer when he 0:20:30.178 --> 0:20:33.218 needs to easy answer, and they've done with consistency. And 0:20:33.338 --> 0:20:36.658 it's been a long time since the tight end position 0:20:36.738 --> 0:20:39.058 was something you were pumping up with the New England Patriots. 0:20:39.098 --> 0:20:42.578 So it's just another sign that again, are they there? 0:20:42.818 --> 0:20:45.498 Are they done? No, not by any means, but they're 0:20:45.538 --> 0:20:46.898 making progress with the offense. 0:20:47.018 --> 0:20:49.657 So I remember Dante Scarnecia did an interview at some 0:20:49.738 --> 0:20:53.538 point and we're talking about mac Jones and he mentioned 0:20:53.578 --> 0:20:57.738 the quarterback's binky, Right, every quarterback needs one of those guys. 0:20:58.058 --> 0:21:01.018 That's just his safety blanket, his binky, whatever you want 0:21:01.018 --> 0:21:05.018 to call it. For Brady, you know, Troy Brown, Dion 0:21:05.218 --> 0:21:08.418 obviously than Edelman, Welker Edelman. I guess I should say 0:21:08.418 --> 0:21:11.058 in order, right, Like, all those guys at one in 0:21:11.098 --> 0:21:13.538 the middle of the field were often the guys at 0:21:13.578 --> 0:21:16.978 Brady third and five, Like you're going six yards to 0:21:17.058 --> 0:21:19.338 Julian Edelman, right, Like that's those were the guys that 0:21:19.378 --> 0:21:21.898 he really relied on. It feels like we're trending in 0:21:21.938 --> 0:21:24.538 a direction where Hunter Henry is in that category for 0:21:24.618 --> 0:21:27.658 Drake mank like he seems to be that person for Drake. 0:21:27.738 --> 0:21:30.418 So there's the tight end usage, which has been really good. 0:21:31.258 --> 0:21:34.178 You mentioned Pop Douglas. I think that they've figured out, 0:21:34.538 --> 0:21:38.138 for the most part, how to use Pop Douglas to 0:21:38.218 --> 0:21:42.498 the best of his abilities, whether it's throwing him design touches, 0:21:42.898 --> 0:21:46.098 scheme touches in the screen game, you know, RPO screens, 0:21:46.138 --> 0:21:49.098 those types of things, Slants over the middle of the fields. 0:21:49.178 --> 0:21:52.818 Caught another one last week, and just in general, just 0:21:52.818 --> 0:21:55.098 getting the football in his hands and letting him run 0:21:55.138 --> 0:21:57.218 with it. Crossing routes. You know, another one of those 0:21:57.298 --> 0:21:59.698 last week on the twenty eight yard or the great 0:21:59.738 --> 0:22:02.858 throw by Drake that everybody keeps pumping up rightfully, So 0:22:03.658 --> 0:22:06.138 Pop Douglas, I've really enjoyed what they've done with him. 0:22:06.378 --> 0:22:09.778 I think that they've figured out how to use that player. 0:22:09.858 --> 0:22:12.058 He's not a big player, he's not a big target 0:22:12.178 --> 0:22:15.218 down the field, but he's a useful player, especially if 0:22:15.218 --> 0:22:16.698 you can get him and hit him on the move, 0:22:16.978 --> 0:22:19.418 and they've been able to find different ways to go 0:22:19.458 --> 0:22:21.538 ahead and do that. He had, you know, the eighteen 0:22:21.618 --> 0:22:24.177 yarder on the screen, or it might have been fourteen, fourteen, 0:22:24.258 --> 0:22:27.138 eighteen whatever, a nice chunk play on the screen. The 0:22:27.218 --> 0:22:30.658 twenty eight yarder on the crossing route, had another big 0:22:30.698 --> 0:22:32.698 play on a slant like those are the types of 0:22:32.698 --> 0:22:36.138 things that they need to use a player like that with. Yeah, 0:22:36.138 --> 0:22:38.258 he might not be a high volume guy. He's probably 0:22:38.258 --> 0:22:40.218 not going to be targeted ten to fifteen times a 0:22:40.258 --> 0:22:42.338 game like a Welker or an Edelman would out of 0:22:42.378 --> 0:22:44.858 the slot. But they've done a nice job of finding 0:22:44.858 --> 0:22:49.098 ways to let his speed and let his jitterbug ability 0:22:49.178 --> 0:22:51.618 really impact the game. So I really liked what they've 0:22:51.618 --> 0:22:55.258 done with him as well. Yeah, next one, offensive line, 0:22:55.378 --> 0:22:58.778 I feel like it's improving. You know, now, how much 0:22:58.818 --> 0:23:01.138 you give that to Drake and how much you give 0:23:01.178 --> 0:23:03.458 that to the line and to Van Pelton, to Peters, like, 0:23:03.498 --> 0:23:05.538 that's up to you. A lot of it is up 0:23:05.738 --> 0:23:08.258 is on Drake, Like he's doing a great job of 0:23:08.298 --> 0:23:12.178 getting the ball out, evading pressure, avoiding sacks, using his 0:23:12.298 --> 0:23:15.258 legs when he needs to. But their pressure rate has 0:23:15.298 --> 0:23:17.978 gone from forty eight percent with Jakobe Brissett to thirty 0:23:18.018 --> 0:23:21.218 six percent with Drake may much more functional, much more, 0:23:22.138 --> 0:23:24.058 you know, functional really is the best word for it. 0:23:24.138 --> 0:23:26.738 So some of that to me is continuity as well. 0:23:27.018 --> 0:23:29.938 But I give them credit. And this is something that 0:23:29.938 --> 0:23:31.657 I was trying to ask him today, but you know, 0:23:32.538 --> 0:23:34.778 good luck getting the question in on that press conference. 0:23:35.138 --> 0:23:38.458 But one of the things I've noticed is that they've 0:23:38.778 --> 0:23:44.698 basically scrapped all of the seven steppers and long delayed 0:23:44.698 --> 0:23:47.698 play actions. And you know, the as much as I 0:23:47.778 --> 0:23:50.738 love leak, like leak, and like all these like plays 0:23:50.738 --> 0:23:53.378 that just take forever in the backfield to get going. 0:23:53.818 --> 0:23:56.858 In theory, great scheme if you can block it. The 0:23:56.898 --> 0:24:00.498 Patriots couldn't block it. So the Patriots now a lot 0:24:00.538 --> 0:24:02.898 of what Drake may is doing is five three step 0:24:03.178 --> 0:24:06.538 three and five step drop, whether he's under center or 0:24:06.538 --> 0:24:09.098 out of the gun, and it's a lot of quick 0:24:09.138 --> 0:24:11.498 hitting stuff. It's get the ball out of his hands. 0:24:11.978 --> 0:24:16.018 Their RPO game has increased, their gun play action game 0:24:16.058 --> 0:24:18.938 has increased. They are not asking him to turn his 0:24:19.018 --> 0:24:21.578 back to the defense a whole lot. They're not asking 0:24:21.658 --> 0:24:25.818 him to, you know, elongate those fakes and end around 0:24:25.898 --> 0:24:28.538 and then hand off and then now we're backed up 0:24:28.578 --> 0:24:30.618 field and we're trying to hit a delay route out 0:24:30.618 --> 0:24:32.458 of the back. No, we're not doing any of that 0:24:32.458 --> 0:24:34.538 stuff anymore that we were seeing earlier on in the 0:24:34.538 --> 0:24:37.698 season when Jacoby was getting killed, because it was taking 0:24:37.778 --> 0:24:40.258 three seconds, three and a half seconds just to get 0:24:40.298 --> 0:24:42.258 his eyes back up the field. So I think they've 0:24:42.298 --> 0:24:44.538 done a nice job of just throwing some of those 0:24:45.378 --> 0:24:48.258 bad plays for them in the trash can, and I 0:24:48.258 --> 0:24:50.178 think that has helped a lot with the line as well. 0:24:50.618 --> 0:24:52.818 I think you have to give some credit to continuity though, 0:24:52.818 --> 0:24:54.298 and the other thing you mentioned. All right, well, this 0:24:54.338 --> 0:24:56.378 is what they've done since Shrake May came in. How 0:24:56.378 --> 0:24:58.338 does that sync up with when they moved Mike when 0:24:58.338 --> 0:24:59.258 Winnu in the right guard? 0:24:59.338 --> 0:24:59.578 Yeah? 0:24:59.698 --> 0:25:02.058 Right's about the same time, wouldn't you know it? You 0:25:02.178 --> 0:25:04.578 put your best offensive lineman in his best position and 0:25:04.618 --> 0:25:06.058 suddenly things look a lot better. 0:25:06.738 --> 0:25:07.458 I like this group. 0:25:07.498 --> 0:25:10.018 We'll see where Cole strange factors in. I understand working 0:25:10.098 --> 0:25:12.458 him at center and left guard. I didn't love them 0:25:12.498 --> 0:25:14.058 saying that they were going to work him at right 0:25:14.098 --> 0:25:16.818 guard as well. I understand they want to cross train guys, 0:25:16.858 --> 0:25:18.618 they want to get guys ready, but let's not go 0:25:18.738 --> 0:25:20.218 back to Mike when win right tackle. 0:25:20.258 --> 0:25:20.618 Please. 0:25:21.458 --> 0:25:25.218 But I think finally sticking with the group helped. And 0:25:25.258 --> 0:25:26.818 who knows what would happen if they've done it soon. 0:25:26.818 --> 0:25:28.858 If they were able to do it sooner, I understand 0:25:28.898 --> 0:25:31.538 there'd be injuries. I honestly think you talk about the 0:25:31.578 --> 0:25:35.298 offensive coaching staff. If there's one guy I'm really high 0:25:35.338 --> 0:25:36.858 on at this point, it's Scott Peters. 0:25:37.018 --> 0:25:40.538 Yeah, because taking a very little and made a lot 0:25:40.578 --> 0:25:41.018 out of it. 0:25:41.138 --> 0:25:44.218 Yeah, you know it hasn't been good this year, but 0:25:44.378 --> 0:25:47.098 how many times if we come out of games and 0:25:47.218 --> 0:25:48.937 been like, well, it wasn't great, but it's better than 0:25:48.938 --> 0:25:51.538 we thought. Or just with individual players, you look at 0:25:51.538 --> 0:25:53.138 what they've gotten out of a Darian low And I'm 0:25:53.138 --> 0:25:55.298 not saying Vederien low has been like a Pro Bowl 0:25:55.378 --> 0:25:58.138 or anything, but compared to expectations, what they've got out 0:25:58.138 --> 0:26:01.378 of a Darian Lowe, what they've gotten out of Michael Jordan, 0:26:01.578 --> 0:26:04.858 what they've gotten out Demontre Jacobs, who showed up after 0:26:04.938 --> 0:26:07.338 final roster cuts and is now you're starting right tackle. 0:26:07.538 --> 0:26:08.098 Is functional. 0:26:08.258 --> 0:26:10.778 It's not great, but he's functional. So I look at 0:26:10.778 --> 0:26:14.138 that and I say, all right, if this is what 0:26:14.258 --> 0:26:16.378 he's doing with the bare minimum, if this is what 0:26:16.458 --> 0:26:19.218 he's doing with the revolving door of guys who are 0:26:19.298 --> 0:26:22.858 you know, borderline NFL caliber players, what's gonna happen when 0:26:22.898 --> 0:26:26.458 you actually get him? You know, players with the with 0:26:26.498 --> 0:26:28.978 the with the ceiling. What's gonna happen when you get him? 0:26:28.978 --> 0:26:31.418 And not just that are alright? What's gonna happen when 0:26:31.418 --> 0:26:33.378 you give him the same five guys to work with 0:26:33.418 --> 0:26:35.418 weekend and week out and they can actually build to something. 0:26:35.538 --> 0:26:37.938 So I you know, it took them longer than I 0:26:37.978 --> 0:26:40.778 think it should have taken them to get to this point. 0:26:41.618 --> 0:26:43.538 I think they should have had more continuity earlier. I 0:26:43.578 --> 0:26:45.378 think Drake may may have played earlier if they had 0:26:45.418 --> 0:26:48.138 more continuity earlier. Again, some of that's due to injuries, 0:26:48.138 --> 0:26:50.218 so I don't entirely blame them for that, like it's 0:26:50.258 --> 0:26:54.698 outside of their control. But I overall I like what 0:26:54.738 --> 0:26:57.058 I've seen because they've made enough at of so little 0:26:57.058 --> 0:26:58.698 that that I'm at the point where it's like, all right, 0:26:58.778 --> 0:27:00.858 like let's give them something real to work. And then 0:27:00.858 --> 0:27:02.498 it goes back to the point you said with the 0:27:02.498 --> 0:27:05.218 Alex VNN Pelton keeping that continuity, like if you move 0:27:05.258 --> 0:27:08.018 on from Alex band Pelt, new coach is gonna want 0:27:08.058 --> 0:27:11.298 his staff, Yeah, and that you know, now you're moving 0:27:11.298 --> 0:27:13.898 on from Scott Peters and TC. McCartney's another guy that's 0:27:14.138 --> 0:27:15.778 gotten a ton of credit, and I he was on 0:27:15.778 --> 0:27:17.698 some of those lists about up and coming coaches, Like 0:27:18.058 --> 0:27:19.858 you move on from alexand pell you're probably moving on 0:27:19.898 --> 0:27:20.658 from those guys too. 0:27:20.858 --> 0:27:25.298 Yeah. So I really do feel that they've done a 0:27:25.378 --> 0:27:29.218 much better job with their play calling in certain spots. 0:27:29.258 --> 0:27:32.378 Now I think They're time of their plays could be 0:27:32.418 --> 0:27:35.578 a little bit better at times still, you know, marrying 0:27:35.938 --> 0:27:38.818 it up to when they are expecting different coverage from 0:27:38.818 --> 0:27:41.657 the defense. Right, But even still, I feel like some 0:27:41.698 --> 0:27:43.778 of the stuff that they've done has had more answers 0:27:43.818 --> 0:27:46.818 within each probably call of you know, okay, if we 0:27:47.458 --> 0:27:50.018 have a man beater on here, but they drop into zone, 0:27:50.418 --> 0:27:52.738 it helps when they drop into his zone, your quarterback 0:27:52.738 --> 0:27:55.538 can run for twenty five yards, right Like that obviously helps. 0:27:56.058 --> 0:27:59.578 But it's something that I've noticed that as it has improved. 0:27:59.578 --> 0:28:01.818 And one of the other criticisms that I hear a 0:28:01.858 --> 0:28:04.258 lot about Alex Van Pelt is that they run the 0:28:04.258 --> 0:28:07.778 ball too much on first down, and the numbers do 0:28:07.858 --> 0:28:10.058 not back that up. They just don't support it. So 0:28:10.298 --> 0:28:12.738 since Drake May has been in the lineup and been 0:28:12.778 --> 0:28:16.098 the starter, the Patriots are fifth in the league in 0:28:16.258 --> 0:28:19.138 early down pass frequency. They're fifth in the league. They're 0:28:19.178 --> 0:28:22.218 passing the ball almost sixty percent of the time on 0:28:22.298 --> 0:28:24.898 first and second down since Drake May took over, and 0:28:24.898 --> 0:28:28.378 that's adjusted for situation. Right, So we're not talking about 0:28:28.378 --> 0:28:31.298 like blowouts and two minutes and staf for talking about 0:28:31.298 --> 0:28:34.338 actual football, like first and ten from the twenty five 0:28:35.338 --> 0:28:37.578 the very first play of the game, right like those 0:28:37.618 --> 0:28:40.618 types of situations, they're throwing the ball quite a bit, 0:28:40.658 --> 0:28:42.378 and I think some of that is a response to 0:28:42.418 --> 0:28:44.458 the fact that they haven't run the ball very well, 0:28:44.818 --> 0:28:47.458 and he's not just running into a brick wall, right Like, 0:28:47.498 --> 0:28:51.018 he's not just continuingly calling run after run after run 0:28:51.018 --> 0:28:53.938 even though it's not working. So they are a very 0:28:53.978 --> 0:28:56.898 aggressive early down passing offense. I know it might not 0:28:56.978 --> 0:28:59.978 feel like that all the time, but right now they're 0:29:00.058 --> 0:29:04.738 right up there with Kansas City Buffalo. You know, the 0:29:05.218 --> 0:29:07.418 teams that do this every year. You know that are 0:29:07.458 --> 0:29:09.138 like that every year because they put the ball in 0:29:09.178 --> 0:29:13.058 the quarterback's hands. So I've really thought that he's gotten 0:29:13.098 --> 0:29:16.138 better in that regard in terms of his play calling 0:29:16.218 --> 0:29:20.178 and the runs. In the run game, they're getting downhill 0:29:20.218 --> 0:29:22.098 a lot more. Like you don't see quite as much 0:29:22.098 --> 0:29:24.738 outside zone. It's still in there. They still will run it, 0:29:25.338 --> 0:29:28.498 but they're getting downhill a little bit more. They haven't 0:29:28.498 --> 0:29:30.258 had a ton of success with it, but I like 0:29:30.298 --> 0:29:32.938 the City so at full back element, Like, I think 0:29:32.978 --> 0:29:35.378 that that's something that they needed to just do and 0:29:35.618 --> 0:29:38.378 figure out. Do you think adding a fullback is in 0:29:38.418 --> 0:29:41.698 play this offseason. I think for this group it is 0:29:42.338 --> 0:29:46.018 because well, first of all, maybe not if they improve 0:29:46.098 --> 0:29:49.018 the offensive line. But the biggest thing for a full 0:29:49.098 --> 0:29:51.018 back is that he can be a fixer, right Like, 0:29:51.018 --> 0:29:53.018 if you lose a block on the line of scrimmage, 0:29:53.018 --> 0:29:56.258 now you have like another layer before you get to 0:29:56.298 --> 0:29:59.258 the ball carrier. So it's almost like the players on 0:29:59.298 --> 0:30:01.538 the line of scrimmage have to go through two guys 0:30:01.578 --> 0:30:03.778 to get to the football instead of just one. So 0:30:03.858 --> 0:30:05.578 that was the big reason why I thought that they 0:30:05.618 --> 0:30:08.818 needed to maybe look at a big whether it's a 0:30:09.058 --> 0:30:11.778 you know, they call it muscle tight end, full back, whatever. 0:30:12.818 --> 0:30:15.338 Getting a big full back in there in this offense 0:30:15.498 --> 0:30:18.058 was because they couldn't execute the blocks on the line 0:30:18.098 --> 0:30:21.978 of scrimmage consistently. So it gives you almost a It 0:30:21.978 --> 0:30:24.018 gives you like a safety net right in case you 0:30:24.378 --> 0:30:27.218 screw up on the line of scrimmage. So maybe, like 0:30:27.258 --> 0:30:30.698 somebody that is a little bit different than a than 0:30:30.698 --> 0:30:33.418 an offensive lineman, being eligible could be useful. But in 0:30:33.458 --> 0:30:37.018 Cleveland they use they used the center actually that as 0:30:37.018 --> 0:30:40.978 an eligible man, forget the guy's name, but they typically 0:30:41.138 --> 0:30:43.218 used it out of a jumbo package and not like 0:30:43.258 --> 0:30:46.698 a traditional fullback. So I could see them sticking with that. 0:30:47.458 --> 0:30:51.458 But the offensive line play, the tight ends, uh, the 0:30:51.498 --> 0:30:55.058 wide receivers, I would say usage has gotten a little 0:30:55.098 --> 0:30:58.178 bit better. And then obviously they have Drake May playing great. 0:30:58.258 --> 0:31:01.458 So your point about let's give van uh excuse me, 0:31:01.498 --> 0:31:04.978 Scott Peters some better linemen. Maybe if they give him 0:31:05.018 --> 0:31:07.898 some better linemen and they give a VP some better 0:31:08.058 --> 0:31:12.138 wide receiver talent, now we really could be cooking here, 0:31:12.298 --> 0:31:14.218 you know, especially if Drake May keeps playing. 0:31:14.298 --> 0:31:18.058 So in the end, we're back where we started in January, 0:31:18.138 --> 0:31:22.778 which was let's make the roster better team. We're all 0:31:22.778 --> 0:31:26.018 the way back. Took us what eleven months, ten months, 0:31:26.018 --> 0:31:28.738 eleven months, and we're paid and it's look, it's not 0:31:28.778 --> 0:31:31.378 a bad place to be because you can add talent 0:31:31.418 --> 0:31:34.258 to the roster. Like that's not when I say it's 0:31:34.258 --> 0:31:36.818 not a hard thing to do. You got to identify 0:31:36.858 --> 0:31:38.338 the talent, you gotta make sure it fits. But you 0:31:38.338 --> 0:31:41.058 have draft picks, you have cap space, you can add talent. 0:31:41.578 --> 0:31:47.618 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So this is a compliment, Sandwich. That 0:31:47.738 --> 0:31:50.098 was my goal here. So I just gave a lot 0:31:50.098 --> 0:31:53.458 of praise to the offensive staff. I wish you hadn't 0:31:53.538 --> 0:31:57.138 said that about Marcus Jones. Just you killed the momentum 0:31:57.138 --> 0:32:00.818 here a little bit a VP. That was the compliment. 0:32:01.818 --> 0:32:06.138 Here comes the the the insult of the compliment, sandwich. 0:32:06.898 --> 0:32:09.298 Everything that I just said about all the progress the 0:32:09.338 --> 0:32:12.498 offense is making and how I'm actually coming around to 0:32:12.578 --> 0:32:15.738 Alex van Pelt, the opposite is true on the defensive 0:32:15.738 --> 0:32:19.978 side of the football, and on this show, I can't 0:32:20.018 --> 0:32:23.378 I couldn't remember the exact show that we talked about this, Alex, 0:32:23.418 --> 0:32:25.538 but I know we talked about it. Maybe you can 0:32:25.618 --> 0:32:28.618 help me because my memory stinks for reasons that can 0:32:28.658 --> 0:32:33.258 stay off the air. The show that we did where 0:32:33.258 --> 0:32:35.578 we said that Girod needed to be more involved on 0:32:35.618 --> 0:32:38.898 the defensive side of the ball Ago maybe San Francisco 0:32:39.098 --> 0:32:42.898 issues that. Yeah, I've been on this for a while. 0:32:42.978 --> 0:32:45.858 I believe you've brought up a couple times. I think 0:32:45.858 --> 0:32:51.138 we did it once post Drake may starting. We're at 0:32:51.138 --> 0:32:55.218 the point now where call it for what it is. 0:32:56.578 --> 0:33:00.418 I don't think that they've been super well coached, well 0:33:00.498 --> 0:33:03.458 coordinated on the defensive side of the football, and the 0:33:03.498 --> 0:33:06.378 stats are with me. They're thirtieth in the league in DVOA. 0:33:06.818 --> 0:33:09.178 They're twenty eighth in the league and EPA per play, 0:33:09.458 --> 0:33:11.458 they're eighteenth in points per game. I know, I got 0:33:11.458 --> 0:33:13.138 to get that one in there for you, but that 0:33:13.178 --> 0:33:15.498 doesn't even do a justice to me. Like the eighteenth 0:33:15.538 --> 0:33:18.018 doesn't sound that bad, Like that's like middle of the pack, right, 0:33:18.098 --> 0:33:21.018 Like they're they're defensively. You know, if I told you 0:33:21.338 --> 0:33:23.458 that all they gave up to the Rams was twenty 0:33:23.538 --> 0:33:26.138 eight points, like on the service, it's not great, but 0:33:26.178 --> 0:33:29.178 it's not fifty, right, it doesn't sound terrible. But when 0:33:29.218 --> 0:33:31.458 you look at the numbers in the efficiency in which 0:33:31.498 --> 0:33:34.218 the Rams scored in they scored twenty eight points in 0:33:34.258 --> 0:33:37.538 twenty two minutes of game time. They averaged seven point 0:33:37.618 --> 0:33:41.258 nine yards per play, you know, like they they could 0:33:41.258 --> 0:33:43.698 not stop the Rams. They did not stop the Rams. 0:33:43.738 --> 0:33:45.738 I would say the same thing is true if I 0:33:45.818 --> 0:33:48.498 told you in Week three, on that Thursday night game 0:33:48.498 --> 0:33:51.058 that they gave up twenty four points to the Jets. 0:33:51.498 --> 0:33:54.178 On the surface, that doesn't sound that terrible. Twenty four 0:33:54.218 --> 0:33:56.458 points in the league now is like average, right for 0:33:56.538 --> 0:33:58.978 a team every week. Did they play good defense that 0:33:59.138 --> 0:34:02.498 night in the Meadowlands? Absolutely not. They could not stop 0:34:02.538 --> 0:34:06.258 Aaron Rodgers at all, So defensively. This has been going 0:34:06.258 --> 0:34:08.897 on all year that they haven't been coached very well. 0:34:08.898 --> 0:34:12.138 There's some specific things that I want to get into, 0:34:12.218 --> 0:34:15.658 but before we do, like what is your where? What's 0:34:15.698 --> 0:34:18.377 your temperature at right now? With DeMarcus Cumington and the 0:34:18.418 --> 0:34:20.417 defensive setup, we. 0:34:20.338 --> 0:34:22.778 Had talked about this. Now we gotta go back again. 0:34:23.658 --> 0:34:25.978 We had talked about this that they were just like 0:34:26.058 --> 0:34:28.578 it was too much on defense. They're getting too cute. 0:34:28.618 --> 0:34:32.618 There was too much of the rotation coverages and disguising 0:34:32.658 --> 0:34:34.977 this and disguising that. That was like two or three 0:34:35.018 --> 0:34:37.098 weeks into the season. I think we talked about that. Yeah, 0:34:37.138 --> 0:34:39.818 and then I felt like it had settled down and 0:34:39.858 --> 0:34:42.337 they had done more to get back to basics. Yeah, 0:34:42.378 --> 0:34:44.378 and maybe that's because they were down a bunch of players. 0:34:44.818 --> 0:34:47.698 It feels like that's ramped back up. Where I know 0:34:47.778 --> 0:34:49.578 you say, I asked you about the staff for the game. 0:34:49.578 --> 0:34:51.698 I know he said, like Anthony Jennings only played four 0:34:51.698 --> 0:34:53.498 coverage snaps or whatever. It was a corner of PFF. 0:34:53.578 --> 0:34:55.978 But I noticed a handful of times where like he 0:34:56.418 --> 0:35:00.777 wasn't setting the edges aggressively as he was. 0:35:00.818 --> 0:35:02.817 He did not have a good game right or. 0:35:02.858 --> 0:35:05.818 But it didn't look like he was handling his assignment different, 0:35:05.858 --> 0:35:07.098 not just that he was playing. 0:35:07.498 --> 0:35:10.258 I just thought that his run force was nowhere near 0:35:10.298 --> 0:35:12.218 as good as it usually is. So so whatever was. 0:35:12.178 --> 0:35:16.218 Behind that, yeah, but it just he looked so part 0:35:16.258 --> 0:35:18.777 of it too, was I guess what I what I 0:35:18.818 --> 0:35:21.978 noticed like he was lining up a little further out 0:35:22.578 --> 0:35:24.978 and he was lining up more upright. And they're putting 0:35:25.778 --> 0:35:28.938 Yannick and Gockway handing the dirt or Christian Barmore at 0:35:28.978 --> 0:35:29.538 defensive end. 0:35:29.578 --> 0:35:29.938 And I get it. 0:35:29.978 --> 0:35:32.458 You want to get those guys involved, but you want 0:35:32.498 --> 0:35:35.498 to get them involved, like I wouldn't change Anthony Jennings's role. 0:35:35.618 --> 0:35:37.898 Is there a way that you can get both of 0:35:37.898 --> 0:35:40.618 those things right in like that? Uh, some of the 0:35:40.658 --> 0:35:44.298 coverage stuff. I know we disagree exactly on their usage 0:35:44.298 --> 0:35:45.498 of Christian Gonzalz. 0:35:45.138 --> 0:35:47.098 But I would say, yeah, I wanted to get into that, 0:35:47.178 --> 0:35:48.418 so let's unpack it. 0:35:48.498 --> 0:35:51.258 It just it it felt like they were doing a 0:35:51.258 --> 0:35:53.938 little too much of time. They're running these zones and 0:35:54.058 --> 0:35:56.698 like Pukku is running the wide open spaces. Yeah, and 0:35:56.738 --> 0:35:58.498 it's happening into the second half of the game. So 0:35:59.618 --> 0:36:02.898 too cute, not enough adjustments. It just feels like it 0:36:02.938 --> 0:36:04.218 did back at the beginning of the season. 0:36:04.338 --> 0:36:05.618 So there are a couple of things I want to 0:36:05.858 --> 0:36:09.618 unpack here with the defense specifically. So I don't want 0:36:09.618 --> 0:36:11.698 to start with Gonzo because I'm gonna probably get fired 0:36:11.738 --> 0:36:14.298 up and we can let's let's end with Gonzo. Okay. 0:36:14.738 --> 0:36:16.658 The biggest thing that I want to start with on 0:36:16.698 --> 0:36:19.458 the defensive side of the ball is something that I 0:36:19.498 --> 0:36:22.498 have been harping on since I know this for a fact. 0:36:22.858 --> 0:36:24.698 I brought this up for the first time when they 0:36:24.698 --> 0:36:28.698 played San Francisco. So all teams are doing, especially these 0:36:28.778 --> 0:36:31.138 Shanahan Tree teams, and we're gonna face another one on 0:36:31.218 --> 0:36:34.138 Sunday in Miami, and I guarantee you Mike McDaniel is 0:36:34.138 --> 0:36:37.618 gonna do the same exact thing. Teams are putting heavy 0:36:37.618 --> 0:36:40.058 personnel on the field. The Rams played a ton of 0:36:40.058 --> 0:36:43.098 two tight ends in this game. They played heavy personnel 0:36:43.178 --> 0:36:46.178 on the field. They know the Patriots are gonna match 0:36:46.178 --> 0:36:48.578 it in base defense, and then they're just putting the 0:36:48.578 --> 0:36:51.178 Patriots linebackers at the point of attack and throwing at 0:36:51.178 --> 0:36:54.418 the Patriots linebackers. We know the Patriots linebackers are not 0:36:54.418 --> 0:36:56.658 good in space. We know they're not good in coverage. 0:36:56.938 --> 0:36:59.778 It's just not their strong suit, right there. Jelani Tavai, 0:37:00.458 --> 0:37:04.138 Anthony Jennings dropping off the line of scrimmage. Christianellis is 0:37:04.178 --> 0:37:06.378 really a special teamer that's been asked to play a 0:37:06.418 --> 0:37:10.098 whole lot more because of injuries and poor roster construction. 0:37:10.578 --> 0:37:15.538 So they're they're asking they're trying to play a lot 0:37:15.618 --> 0:37:20.018 in base defense to physically match the opponent and not 0:37:20.138 --> 0:37:23.538 give up the yards on the ground. And first of all, 0:37:23.578 --> 0:37:27.538 I just think that's that's backwards thinking. Like if I'm 0:37:27.578 --> 0:37:31.018 the Patriots, I'm thinking to myself, I'm gonna play Nickel. 0:37:31.258 --> 0:37:33.418 Maybe I'll play big Nickel with three safety, but I'm 0:37:33.418 --> 0:37:36.818 gonna play Nickel. Run it, run it because my offense, 0:37:37.178 --> 0:37:39.418 you know, we're not gonna score thirty five on offense, 0:37:39.778 --> 0:37:41.777 all right, We're not there yet. So if the other 0:37:41.858 --> 0:37:45.258 team runs the ball and they take up time and 0:37:45.298 --> 0:37:48.658 they have to march ten twelve plays to score touchdowns, 0:37:48.858 --> 0:37:51.377 you're shortening the game. So then you're keeping the game 0:37:51.498 --> 0:37:53.618 lower scoring, right, Like, you're keeping the game in the 0:37:53.658 --> 0:37:57.098 twenties by doing that. So invite the run, like, don't 0:37:57.098 --> 0:37:58.858 give up. I'm not saying to give up eight yards 0:37:58.858 --> 0:38:02.898 a carry, but like, don't panic about the yards on 0:38:02.938 --> 0:38:06.538 the ground. This coaching staff seems more concerned about stopping 0:38:06.538 --> 0:38:09.578 the run than stopping the pass. And that's backwards, like that, 0:38:09.578 --> 0:38:11.418 that's not how you should be coaching. This thing. 0:38:11.538 --> 0:38:13.417 Is some of it just because they've been so bad 0:38:13.458 --> 0:38:15.538 against the run, because because like you said, don't give 0:38:15.618 --> 0:38:17.498 up eight yards of carry, and weren't giving up eight. 0:38:17.618 --> 0:38:21.218 But you look at that that Jacksonville game, and you know, 0:38:21.258 --> 0:38:23.618 as we get to this Rams game itself, and I 0:38:23.618 --> 0:38:26.178 don't think the Rams and Jags are similar teams, but 0:38:26.778 --> 0:38:28.618 it felt like a very similar game. You had that 0:38:28.698 --> 0:38:31.738 hot start and then it just fell apart and it 0:38:31.818 --> 0:38:34.258 started attacking you. And I wonder if some of that's 0:38:34.338 --> 0:38:35.978 just an overcorrection to what had happened. 0:38:36.018 --> 0:38:38.378 So here's some stats for you about their base defense, 0:38:38.458 --> 0:38:42.018 because this is just alarming, right, So let's stick to 0:38:42.058 --> 0:38:44.138 the Rams game specifically, and then I'll give you the 0:38:44.138 --> 0:38:47.418 season stats. Here in a second, in the Rams game 0:38:47.458 --> 0:38:50.178 against Los Angeles, and I texted one of these numbers 0:38:50.218 --> 0:38:53.498 to you last night. They were in base defense the 0:38:53.538 --> 0:38:57.018 Patriots twenty five times twenty five snaps in base defense 0:38:57.058 --> 0:39:00.858 out of fifty one plays, the Rams averaged ten point 0:39:00.938 --> 0:39:04.578 three yards per play when the Patriots were in base defense. 0:39:05.338 --> 0:39:09.778 When the Rams passed in base defense, there's twelve passes. 0:39:09.818 --> 0:39:14.938 Twelve passes to thirteen runs, eighteen point one yards per 0:39:15.018 --> 0:39:19.658 pass play. It's too many eighteen in base defense. So 0:39:19.898 --> 0:39:23.897 what's happening in all these games and the Patriots are 0:39:23.978 --> 0:39:27.338 just letting it happen like they're just they're just continuing 0:39:27.498 --> 0:39:30.738 to do it over and over again, is to are 0:39:30.778 --> 0:39:34.898 getting them into their base with heavy personnel offensively, and 0:39:34.938 --> 0:39:38.138 they're throwing at their base defense and they do not 0:39:38.258 --> 0:39:40.618 have the horses at the second level the defense to 0:39:40.698 --> 0:39:43.938 play base coverage. They just don't. So eighteen point one 0:39:44.058 --> 0:39:46.898 yards per play on the season, the Patriots now have 0:39:46.978 --> 0:39:50.498 the second highest base rate in the league. On the season, 0:39:50.898 --> 0:39:53.738 they are giving up six point three yards per play 0:39:53.858 --> 0:39:57.178 in base defense. That's thirtieth in the NFL. So they 0:39:57.178 --> 0:39:59.538 are playing the second highest rate of base and they're 0:39:59.578 --> 0:40:02.658 giving up the third most yards in base So this 0:40:02.698 --> 0:40:04.498 has been going on all year. Like we've talked about 0:40:04.498 --> 0:40:07.418 this multiple times. In this game against the Rams, that 0:40:07.498 --> 0:40:12.417 happened again, Mike McDaniel. In the Miami Dolphins, they only 0:40:12.498 --> 0:40:16.858 play eleven personnel three wide receivers like twenty eight percent 0:40:16.898 --> 0:40:19.178 of the time. They are not a three wide receiver team. 0:40:19.338 --> 0:40:21.858 They're a Shanahan team. They're a twelve personnel team or 0:40:21.858 --> 0:40:24.817 a twenty one personnel team. So Mike McDaniel is gonna 0:40:24.818 --> 0:40:27.378 put two tight ends on the field, Johnny Smith and 0:40:27.418 --> 0:40:30.058 the other dude that they play like blanking on right now, 0:40:30.458 --> 0:40:33.578 Irik Killing Jalen Waddle will be on the outside, Davon 0:40:33.898 --> 0:40:36.098 hn is going to be in the backfield, and their 0:40:36.178 --> 0:40:38.978 speed is going to be against Jolanie Devai and Christian 0:40:39.018 --> 0:40:43.338 Ellis and Anthony Jennings coming across the field. And I 0:40:43.418 --> 0:40:45.897 just don't see how that could possibly be a good 0:40:45.938 --> 0:40:49.258 game plan. Like that's just not going to work. So 0:40:49.298 --> 0:40:51.698 they've been doing this all year long with the base defense. 0:40:51.698 --> 0:40:53.817 That's item number one. They got to get out of base. 0:40:54.018 --> 0:40:56.538 Do you think some of that is just and I'm 0:40:56.538 --> 0:40:58.938 not saying that looks if it's not working, you got 0:40:58.978 --> 0:41:00.378 to adjust out of it. And this goes back to 0:41:00.378 --> 0:41:03.777 what my thought on Covington in this game. Regardless of 0:41:03.818 --> 0:41:05.258 what you think of the game play and going in, 0:41:05.298 --> 0:41:07.978 it didn't work and they needed to adjust out of it. 0:41:10.178 --> 0:41:13.658 Do you think some of it is lack of availability. 0:41:13.658 --> 0:41:15.618 They've been banged up at corner, they've been banged up 0:41:15.618 --> 0:41:18.498 at safety. Does it go to roster construction and just yeah, 0:41:18.578 --> 0:41:21.777 you know, the best way to get you know, your 0:41:21.778 --> 0:41:24.138 most trusted players on the field might be in base, 0:41:24.218 --> 0:41:25.377 even if base doesn't make sense. 0:41:25.378 --> 0:41:27.858 Again, I'm not saying it's right. My read on it 0:41:27.938 --> 0:41:30.938 is what you said earlier. They don't feel like they 0:41:30.938 --> 0:41:33.897 can stop the run in nickel and the first time 0:41:33.898 --> 0:41:35.698 that they played the Dolphins, they played a lot of 0:41:35.698 --> 0:41:38.857 big three safety nickel and the Dolphins. Remember in Week 0:41:38.898 --> 0:41:40.818 five they ran all over the Patriots. I think it 0:41:40.858 --> 0:41:43.018 was like one hundred and ninety yards or something like that. 0:41:43.458 --> 0:41:47.178 But again, my rebuttal to that is that, Okay, you 0:41:47.218 --> 0:41:49.698 gave up one hundred and ninety yards. How many points 0:41:49.738 --> 0:41:53.218 did you give up? You only gave up fifteen and 0:41:53.338 --> 0:41:57.538 you were a heel away from winning the game, right, So, like, 0:41:57.938 --> 0:42:02.178 even though you are struggling to stop the run in 0:42:02.498 --> 0:42:06.658 nickel defense, it's keeping the game close. Like and now 0:42:06.898 --> 0:42:09.817 they have Drake May at quarterback, you have to think 0:42:09.858 --> 0:42:12.857 that they're gonna win a game in the teens maybe 0:42:12.898 --> 0:42:16.058 a little bit easier than they would have five weeks ago, 0:42:16.538 --> 0:42:19.818 six weeks ago. So that's item number one. Got to 0:42:19.858 --> 0:42:22.698 get out of base defense item number two, And this, 0:42:22.858 --> 0:42:26.018 to me is out of anything that they did on Sunday. 0:42:26.258 --> 0:42:28.698 I still can't wrap my head around the fact that 0:42:28.738 --> 0:42:32.578 they blitzed Matthew Stafford eighteen times like that, to me 0:42:32.818 --> 0:42:37.498 is just really just not understanding the situation. Like you're 0:42:37.538 --> 0:42:40.498 going up against his sixteen year veteran in the league, 0:42:40.898 --> 0:42:42.698 and I think Stafford's elite. I think he's one of 0:42:42.698 --> 0:42:45.298 the best quarterbacks in the league. When you play really 0:42:45.298 --> 0:42:49.018 good quarterbacks that are veteran guys in this league, anybody 0:42:49.018 --> 0:42:51.178 would tell you you don't blitz those types of guys. 0:42:51.378 --> 0:42:53.938 You never. You don't blitz Brady, right, You don't take 0:42:53.978 --> 0:42:56.138 guys out of coverage and blitz Brady. What was the 0:42:56.138 --> 0:42:59.458 plan for Brady? It was used four to get after him, 0:42:59.898 --> 0:43:03.498 drop seven into coverage and try to tighten up those windows. 0:43:03.898 --> 0:43:06.618 If you blitz Matthew Stafford eighteen times, he's gonna do 0:43:06.658 --> 0:43:08.698 exactly what he did in this game. It's like two 0:43:09.058 --> 0:43:11.738 and twenty yards and three touchdowns against the blitz. It 0:43:11.858 --> 0:43:15.498 wasn't just the sixty nine yard touchdown to Cooper Cup 0:43:15.538 --> 0:43:17.458 Like he was shredding them in five and six man 0:43:17.578 --> 0:43:20.978 coverage all the time. So you talked about the motion 0:43:21.098 --> 0:43:23.778 and then Pokin Nakua was just these like wide open voids. 0:43:24.138 --> 0:43:26.938 All they were doing is they were motioning Pokin Nakua 0:43:26.978 --> 0:43:30.138 across the field and they were opening voids right. They 0:43:30.138 --> 0:43:33.897 were just stretching out the Patriots zone coverage. And since 0:43:33.938 --> 0:43:37.298 the Patriots are rushing five guys and dropping six into coverage, 0:43:37.378 --> 0:43:40.338 they just didn't have enough bodies in the secondary to 0:43:40.378 --> 0:43:43.938 cover all the grass on the field, and with emotion 0:43:44.138 --> 0:43:46.938 in the formations, were stretching them out so much and 0:43:46.978 --> 0:43:49.458 now all of a sudden, there's these gaping holes in 0:43:49.498 --> 0:43:52.858 these zone coverages. So a lot of what happened on Sunday, 0:43:53.378 --> 0:43:55.897 especially a lot of the Nikua yards. I would say 0:43:56.258 --> 0:43:58.218 he had one play where they were in drop eight 0:43:58.338 --> 0:44:00.498 that was a big play on Marco Wilson. But a 0:44:00.538 --> 0:44:03.138 lot of the plays that Nikua had in this game 0:44:03.178 --> 0:44:05.777 that were big chunks of yardage were because they were 0:44:06.138 --> 0:44:09.938 dropping six guys into coverage and trying to cover them 0:44:10.178 --> 0:44:12.817 with six instead of seven, and it just burned them 0:44:13.058 --> 0:44:13.978 time and time again. 0:44:14.258 --> 0:44:17.098 I mean, is that a product of Again, you're in base, 0:44:17.458 --> 0:44:18.897 you know to fly. It's not a guy you're gonna 0:44:18.898 --> 0:44:20.297 put in coverage, all right, but we need him out 0:44:20.338 --> 0:44:21.218 there to stop the runs. 0:44:21.218 --> 0:44:23.498 So when they throw lish, just blitz them. Is it 0:44:23.498 --> 0:44:25.897 a product to that? And the ones probably the one 0:44:25.898 --> 0:44:27.978 that stood out to me, And obviously, I mean I'm 0:44:28.698 --> 0:44:29.458 not alone. 0:44:29.218 --> 0:44:32.658 In saying that this was a big play. The Cooper 0:44:32.698 --> 0:44:35.258 Cup touchdown on the zero blitz. Yeah, where they bring 0:44:35.338 --> 0:44:38.018 seven and don't get home. And I think a lot 0:44:38.098 --> 0:44:42.458 of people maybe misunderstand what happened there, Like that's I'm 0:44:42.458 --> 0:44:44.258 not gonna say Jonathan Jones played that perfectly. 0:44:44.298 --> 0:44:44.778 He didn't. 0:44:44.898 --> 0:44:47.418 But the idea of a cover blitz, especially when you 0:44:47.418 --> 0:44:49.978 bring seven, think about it. Seven, you're leaving four in coverage, 0:44:50.138 --> 0:44:54.658 so your default leaving somebody open. Yeah, Like not like 0:44:54.778 --> 0:44:57.018 all right, we're gonna be in zone with no open 0:44:57.218 --> 0:44:59.978 you have four to cover five. What you're trying to 0:45:00.018 --> 0:45:03.378 do in that play is when you rush seven, you're 0:45:03.378 --> 0:45:06.337 trying to get in the quarterback's lap and he may 0:45:06.378 --> 0:45:08.218 throw it. He may have somebody open, but he's gonna 0:45:08.218 --> 0:45:10.377 have to throw it off his back foot or through 0:45:10.458 --> 0:45:14.377 contact or whatever. The Patriots bring seven. Not only does 0:45:14.418 --> 0:45:17.978 Stafford able to throw that clean, he has a pocket 0:45:18.018 --> 0:45:20.898 to step up into. And I go back to the 0:45:20.898 --> 0:45:25.298 play I've used to explain it super Bowl fifty three. Yeah, 0:45:25.138 --> 0:45:29.458 the zero blitz where Brandon Cooks is in a sense 0:45:29.578 --> 0:45:32.978 open if Jared Goff can get enough on that ball, 0:45:33.138 --> 0:45:35.298 but Kylevin Nooy's right in his face, he has to 0:45:35.338 --> 0:45:36.178 throw out fading away. 0:45:36.218 --> 0:45:36.698 It's a duck. 0:45:36.778 --> 0:45:39.378 It's fifteen yard short. Steff On Gilmour's right there. So 0:45:39.418 --> 0:45:42.418 you look at where Jonathan Jones is. If they actually 0:45:42.498 --> 0:45:44.018 get to Stafford, he has to throw that off his 0:45:44.098 --> 0:45:46.698 back foot. Jonathan Jones probably, if he even gets that far, 0:45:46.778 --> 0:45:48.738 Jonathan Jones probably knocks it down like he's in a 0:45:48.738 --> 0:45:49.978 decent enough position. 0:45:49.658 --> 0:45:54.498 To play that. You to say that, well, you know 0:45:55.858 --> 0:45:58.178 Stafford had well they Stafford had times he hit a 0:45:58.178 --> 0:46:00.058 pocket on a plane, which he's not supposed to have 0:46:00.098 --> 0:46:00.538 a pocket. 0:46:00.618 --> 0:46:02.498 Yeah, based on the defensive call. So it's not just 0:46:02.538 --> 0:46:05.858 how much they're blitzing, it's how much they're blitzing and 0:46:05.938 --> 0:46:08.258 not getting any impact from the blitz. It would be 0:46:08.298 --> 0:46:11.418 one thing like you talk about, don't blitz Stafford that much? Sure, Well, 0:46:11.418 --> 0:46:13.458 if you're getting a ton of pressure and he's uncomfortable 0:46:13.498 --> 0:46:15.458 and you're knocking him around, you're moving him off his spot. 0:46:15.498 --> 0:46:17.858 That's one thing, you know, to blitz that heavy. And 0:46:17.858 --> 0:46:19.258 it's like, all right, well he beat us a couple 0:46:19.338 --> 0:46:21.297 times when we were getting to him and we were 0:46:21.298 --> 0:46:24.578 trying to wear him down. They had six pressures, three 0:46:24.618 --> 0:46:28.418 quarterback hits. So it's not so much to me just 0:46:28.458 --> 0:46:32.538 how much they blitzed. It's how much they blitzed without success. 0:46:32.778 --> 0:46:35.418 Yeah, how ineffective the blitzer are. It's a really good point. 0:46:35.578 --> 0:46:40.298 And I remember in twenty nineteen, first half of twenty nineteen, 0:46:40.338 --> 0:46:43.018 Remember how much Cover zero they were running that year. Yeah, 0:46:43.178 --> 0:46:44.898 it was like the whole thing. It was the whole thing, 0:46:44.938 --> 0:46:47.377 the Boogeyman. It was insane. And they had to find 0:46:47.418 --> 0:46:49.777 Gilmore to take number ones one on one so they 0:46:49.778 --> 0:46:52.458 didn't necessarily need to give him help and all that. 0:46:52.818 --> 0:46:55.138 And I remember talking into the in the locker room 0:46:55.178 --> 0:46:59.258 with the McCarty's actually, and I don't remember if it 0:46:59.258 --> 0:47:01.698 was Devin or Jason, but one of them said to me, 0:47:02.298 --> 0:47:05.218 if we're gonna run Cover zero, we better get home, right. 0:47:05.338 --> 0:47:07.738 It was like that's the thing with Cover zero, Like 0:47:08.138 --> 0:47:09.618 if you are going to run it like us and 0:47:09.698 --> 0:47:12.218 the like. You know, we always say to the guys 0:47:12.298 --> 0:47:14.618 up front when we're in the back, like if we're 0:47:14.618 --> 0:47:17.978 gonna run cover zero, then you guys better get pressure 0:47:18.018 --> 0:47:20.778 on the quarterback. Otherwise it's gonna be a big play. Yeah, 0:47:20.898 --> 0:47:24.058 And that play right there is a perfect example. I 0:47:24.098 --> 0:47:26.978 thought Jonathan Jones's leverage was poor, you know, like he 0:47:27.178 --> 0:47:30.178 set up outside of Cooper Cup when he really should 0:47:30.178 --> 0:47:32.857 have said up inside. Because when you play cover zero, 0:47:33.578 --> 0:47:36.857 you think that in breakers, slants things like that are 0:47:36.898 --> 0:47:38.538 gonna be the beater to that. Or you're trying to 0:47:38.578 --> 0:47:40.417 play the hot round, right, So you're trying to play 0:47:40.538 --> 0:47:42.538 exactly you're trying to play the hot and by taking 0:47:42.578 --> 0:47:45.018 away the middle of the field and try to force 0:47:45.098 --> 0:47:46.777 him to throw like a fade or something down the 0:47:46.778 --> 0:47:49.458 sideline to beat you inside, get more arm. Yeah, but 0:47:51.738 --> 0:47:53.777 say your point about them not getting home is the 0:47:53.818 --> 0:47:55.178 more important. Yeah. Again, it's not. 0:47:55.338 --> 0:47:57.858 Actually Jonathan Jones did not play well. He had that 0:47:57.858 --> 0:48:00.178 one pass break up late, So it's not excuses. 0:48:00.178 --> 0:48:01.658 But like I saw a lot. 0:48:01.498 --> 0:48:03.498 Of people be like, why is Jonathan Jones on the 0:48:03.538 --> 0:48:05.698 field in that spot? The issue on that play is 0:48:05.738 --> 0:48:09.338 not where Jonathan Jones was or his assignment whether or 0:48:09.378 --> 0:48:11.418 not you should call cover zero there. I mean, we 0:48:11.458 --> 0:48:15.058 can debate the call itself, but if you're gonna call 0:48:15.058 --> 0:48:19.018 cover zero, the quarterback should not be standing at the 0:48:19.098 --> 0:48:19.538 end of the play. 0:48:19.578 --> 0:48:22.218 Maybe he gets a throw off, but you you need 0:48:22.258 --> 0:48:23.498 to be in his face right away. 0:48:23.538 --> 0:48:25.418 You need to be knocking him down. The fact that 0:48:25.458 --> 0:48:27.058 he didn't just throw a clean but a pocket to 0:48:27.058 --> 0:48:28.978 step up into is very damning. 0:48:29.058 --> 0:48:31.658 Okay, So last point on the d because I do 0:48:31.778 --> 0:48:35.058 understand the criticism of the usage of Christian Gonzales, I 0:48:35.138 --> 0:48:38.258 might not fully. It's not that I disagree. I just 0:48:38.418 --> 0:48:41.898 I this one. I understand the logic. I don't understand 0:48:41.938 --> 0:48:44.938 the logic of butch and blitzing Matthew Stafford eighteen times 0:48:45.058 --> 0:48:48.418 like that to me is illogical, Like that doesn't There's 0:48:48.458 --> 0:48:51.178 certain things I always look at it and say, Okay, 0:48:51.218 --> 0:48:54.738 these guys are head coaches, are coordinators in the NFL. 0:48:54.778 --> 0:48:57.138 I am not okay. They know more about football than 0:48:57.178 --> 0:49:00.138 I do, full stop, right, So let's ask ourselves what 0:49:00.178 --> 0:49:04.058 are they doing and is there a football reason for 0:49:04.138 --> 0:49:08.738 them doing that. I can understand what they were trying 0:49:08.778 --> 0:49:11.578 to accomplish with Gonzales. I can understand what they were 0:49:11.578 --> 0:49:14.458 trying to accomplish with blitzing Stafford eighteen times or playing 0:49:14.498 --> 0:49:16.857 as much base defense as they did. To me, there's 0:49:16.898 --> 0:49:21.858 no football explanation for that, the Gonzales stuff. The biggest 0:49:21.858 --> 0:49:24.538 thing that I reason why I can understand what they 0:49:24.538 --> 0:49:29.098 are trying to accomplish is that the Rams use a 0:49:29.138 --> 0:49:31.658 lot of motion, and they use a lot of ugly 0:49:31.778 --> 0:49:34.458 or nasty bunches, which means that they're in tight to 0:49:34.498 --> 0:49:37.458 the formation. Right. So what they're trying to do with 0:49:37.538 --> 0:49:41.778 all of that is play is caused traffic, tru cause chaos, 0:49:43.018 --> 0:49:46.777 try to pick man coverage defenders off, like all that 0:49:46.898 --> 0:49:49.978 kind of stuff. When you play teams that do that, 0:49:51.178 --> 0:49:52.857 like the Rams, and do it at a high level, 0:49:53.458 --> 0:49:57.018 it's very very difficult to shadow and it's very very 0:49:57.058 --> 0:50:00.258 difficult to play conventional man coverage. I'll give you an 0:50:00.298 --> 0:50:03.218 example beyond just Gonzales. If you watch the film of 0:50:03.258 --> 0:50:06.018 this game, back when the Rams are in their bunches, 0:50:06.338 --> 0:50:09.018 the Patriots played box rules out of the bunch, right, 0:50:09.058 --> 0:50:12.218 there'd be four Patriots and it's just first in first out, 0:50:12.418 --> 0:50:14.618 second in second out. Right, That's how you sort of 0:50:14.938 --> 0:50:17.498 sort it out of the box. When the Patriots play 0:50:17.578 --> 0:50:21.418 other teams in box or in a bunch coverage, they 0:50:21.698 --> 0:50:23.618 a lot of the times they play lock and level, 0:50:23.818 --> 0:50:26.578 which instead is is I'm locked into my man, but 0:50:26.658 --> 0:50:29.458 I'm at different levels so that we don't get picked off. Right. 0:50:29.458 --> 0:50:31.338 So you have one guy on the line a scrimmage, 0:50:31.458 --> 0:50:33.938 another guy's like two or three yards behind him, and 0:50:33.938 --> 0:50:36.418 another guy's like two to three yards behind him. But 0:50:36.738 --> 0:50:38.458 I have this guy, you have that guy, you have 0:50:38.538 --> 0:50:41.338 that guy. Against the Rams, they made a very concerted 0:50:41.418 --> 0:50:44.458 effort to zone off bunches because they knew that that 0:50:44.578 --> 0:50:47.218 McVeigh was just gonna switch release and cause all sorts 0:50:47.258 --> 0:50:50.218 of chaos to their man coverage. So in theory, I 0:50:50.298 --> 0:50:53.778 understood what they were going for by let's just play sides. 0:50:54.138 --> 0:50:56.777 Whoever comes out your side is who you cover. The 0:50:56.858 --> 0:50:58.777 problem is, as the course of the game went on, 0:50:59.098 --> 0:51:01.538 McVeigh caught on to what they were doing, and then 0:51:01.578 --> 0:51:05.498 he was just motioning Nikua away from Christian Gonzales, and 0:51:05.538 --> 0:51:07.658 that's when they started to get themselves into trump or 0:51:07.698 --> 0:51:08.498 just even setting up. 0:51:08.498 --> 0:51:10.138 I mean, there were a couple of times, the big 0:51:10.178 --> 0:51:12.777 one in the red zone where it's two tight ends 0:51:12.778 --> 0:51:14.018 to one side, three receivers. 0:51:14.018 --> 0:51:16.018 The other tight ends are on the Gonzales side. Yeah, 0:51:16.018 --> 0:51:18.898 the red zone stuff wasn't great in between the twenties. 0:51:18.898 --> 0:51:21.578 I am okay with what they did. The red zone 0:51:21.618 --> 0:51:22.738 stuff was a little bit more. 0:51:22.858 --> 0:51:24.857 So this is and this goes back to my point, 0:51:24.858 --> 0:51:28.338 and again it's about adjustments. I understand the thought process 0:51:28.338 --> 0:51:30.418 behind it. But like you said, McVeigh caught on yeah 0:51:30.658 --> 0:51:33.898 and answered right, okay, so now what's your counter to 0:51:33.938 --> 0:51:36.538 his counter? And it didn't feel like the Patriots had one, right, 0:51:36.618 --> 0:51:38.418 It felt like they just totally stuck with us. So, 0:51:38.858 --> 0:51:41.098 you know, especially a team like this, you want to 0:51:41.098 --> 0:51:44.178 come out, try something new. Find you know, you're three 0:51:44.178 --> 0:51:47.138 and seven, right right, sure, try something new. This is 0:51:47.138 --> 0:51:47.738 how we think we. 0:51:47.738 --> 0:51:48.338 Have to play him. 0:51:48.818 --> 0:51:51.018 I'm not gonna jump on them too much for that, 0:51:51.698 --> 0:51:55.738 but when it's clearly not working, you need to change it. 0:51:55.978 --> 0:51:57.938 And that's what stood out to me. 0:51:57.978 --> 0:52:00.458 Like Dard Mayo said, I don't remember if it was 0:52:00.498 --> 0:52:02.338 after the game or Monday morning, one of his postgame 0:52:02.378 --> 0:52:04.418 press conferences, said like, you know, we have plans, and 0:52:04.458 --> 0:52:08.098 we're always open to changing plans. I didn't outside of 0:52:08.138 --> 0:52:11.338 a handful of snaps in the second half. I didn't 0:52:11.458 --> 0:52:13.298 there was no big picture adjustment. Let me put it 0:52:13.338 --> 0:52:16.458 that way. There was no big picture. This isn't working. 0:52:16.538 --> 0:52:19.218 We need to do something about it. Because you can 0:52:19.258 --> 0:52:21.897 have a guy you know you can have and again 0:52:21.938 --> 0:52:24.817 the terminology you probably know better than me. You can 0:52:24.938 --> 0:52:26.978 shadow a guy just in terms of where he's lining 0:52:27.058 --> 0:52:29.418 up and then play zone from there, like you know, 0:52:29.458 --> 0:52:31.498 all right, Well, in the Kuza this side Gonzalez is 0:52:31.538 --> 0:52:33.698 gonna go. There have adjustments, right if emotions is what 0:52:33.698 --> 0:52:36.018 we're gonna do to try to keep Gonzalez on at 0:52:36.098 --> 0:52:38.178 least the side of one of the wide receivers. Yeah, 0:52:38.298 --> 0:52:39.978 once it got to a certain point in that game 0:52:39.978 --> 0:52:43.978 where Naku and Cup, through motion or not, we're both 0:52:43.978 --> 0:52:46.258 on the same side of the formation, Gonzalez was on 0:52:46.298 --> 0:52:46.897 the other side. 0:52:46.898 --> 0:52:50.138 Defensively, that should not have happened. Yeah, they had a 0:52:50.138 --> 0:52:54.258 lot of times when Gonzalz ended up basically on DeMarcus Robinson, 0:52:54.298 --> 0:52:56.498 who like isn't a bad player by the way, I 0:52:56.538 --> 0:52:58.938 should say, he's not Cooper Cupp or Puka Nikua, but 0:52:58.978 --> 0:53:01.817 he's not. He's a decent receiver in this league. I mean, 0:53:02.658 --> 0:53:04.658 I mean it's hit a while off touchdown against them. 0:53:04.738 --> 0:53:07.258 It's the old BILLI ism. If to go ahead and 0:53:07.258 --> 0:53:10.018 beat us with DeMarcus Robinson, yeah, go ahead. If the 0:53:10.098 --> 0:53:13.178 Marcus Robinson goes for six and one hundred, you played 0:53:13.178 --> 0:53:15.138 a good game, We'll put our hands up and give 0:53:15.178 --> 0:53:17.418 you credit back. I get paid paid too. You're not 0:53:17.458 --> 0:53:19.817 beating us with Cooper Cup. You're not beating us with Pukukua. 0:53:19.978 --> 0:53:20.938 That should have been the approach. 0:53:21.098 --> 0:53:24.658 I totally hear that, And although I hear the point 0:53:24.698 --> 0:53:27.978 too that in theory, like the other thing that you 0:53:28.018 --> 0:53:29.698 hear a lot of wolve is just double one of 0:53:29.738 --> 0:53:31.938 them out and put Zalez on the other guy, that 0:53:32.298 --> 0:53:34.458 type of stuff doesn't happen as much as you would think, 0:53:34.578 --> 0:53:38.218 like true dedicated doubles. The only game plans that I 0:53:38.298 --> 0:53:41.258 remember over the last couple of years handful of years 0:53:41.578 --> 0:53:45.858 where Bill actually double the guy consistently was when they 0:53:45.938 --> 0:53:48.938 played Minnesota on Thanksgiving. They get it to Justin Jefferson 0:53:50.138 --> 0:53:53.498 half a dozen at least, maybe even more with Jonathan 0:53:53.578 --> 0:53:56.858 Jones and a safety over the top, and then Tyreek 0:53:56.898 --> 0:53:59.738 Hill in the AFC Championship game in twenty eighteen or 0:53:59.778 --> 0:54:02.618 twenty nineteen year or twenty a Seasoney eighteen season. Yep, 0:54:03.058 --> 0:54:05.458 those were the only two times in the last since 0:54:05.498 --> 0:54:10.337 I've been covering the team where I remember distinctly that 0:54:10.458 --> 0:54:13.418 game plan was, we're doubling this guy out of this game. 0:54:13.738 --> 0:54:15.978 So it doesn't happen as frequently as you think. And 0:54:16.098 --> 0:54:18.817 just to go back to the McVeigh thing. The other 0:54:18.938 --> 0:54:23.018 issue with doubling or bracketing coverage when you played teams 0:54:23.018 --> 0:54:26.378 a motion as much as the Rams do, that causes 0:54:26.418 --> 0:54:29.138 all sorts of chaos about the double teams, right, Like 0:54:29.178 --> 0:54:31.418 if they're going to motion the at the snap on 0:54:31.538 --> 0:54:34.298 like a missile motion, and he's gonna come across the formation, 0:54:34.658 --> 0:54:36.658 do both guys go with him? Do you try to 0:54:36.698 --> 0:54:38.938 switch it off? Right? You know? Does that the safety 0:54:38.978 --> 0:54:40.498 on the left side of the field pass it to 0:54:40.498 --> 0:54:42.458 the right side of the field? Like how are you 0:54:42.538 --> 0:54:45.857 handling all those different types of things? Look, it's a 0:54:45.898 --> 0:54:50.178 really good scheme that they played against. And this is why, right, 0:54:50.218 --> 0:54:52.938 Like these types of pretzels that they put you in 0:54:52.978 --> 0:54:56.297 defensively is why McVeigh is McVeigh. Where does this come from? 0:54:56.378 --> 0:54:59.418 By the way, because Bill used that defensive strategy of 0:54:59.578 --> 0:55:02.458 ason two double one, Yeah, for years and years and 0:55:02.538 --> 0:55:05.498 years and coaches figure how to figure out way to count. 0:55:05.378 --> 0:55:07.218 It and that's kind of what they saw. So last 0:55:07.258 --> 0:55:09.298 thing on the defense, then I know we want to 0:55:09.338 --> 0:55:11.738 move along here. Well it's a compliment, Sandwich, So you 0:55:11.778 --> 0:55:13.618 got to come back around, Tom. So here's sort of 0:55:13.658 --> 0:55:15.897 my compliment. All right. It's not a compliment, but it's 0:55:15.938 --> 0:55:19.498 more of like a this is an open face compliment Sandwich. Yes, 0:55:19.578 --> 0:55:22.018 speaking of sandwiches, we need you to address something a 0:55:22.058 --> 0:55:25.098 little bit. But okay, that's fair. It's not a compliment, sandwich. 0:55:25.178 --> 0:55:27.618 Person address it on people. But this is no okay, 0:55:27.658 --> 0:55:32.777 but this is my this is my patience right now 0:55:32.858 --> 0:55:37.297 trying to come in. DeMarcus Covington is a first year, 0:55:37.858 --> 0:55:43.538 first time NFL defensive coordinator in play caller. For my money, 0:55:43.578 --> 0:55:46.018 he might have just went up against the best offensive 0:55:46.018 --> 0:55:48.777 play caller in the NFL and he got taken behind 0:55:48.778 --> 0:55:53.018 the woodshed. It's a learning experience, like it happens right, 0:55:53.298 --> 0:55:56.618 Like McVeigh is McVeigh for a reason. He's tremendous, Like 0:55:56.658 --> 0:55:59.218 he does this to a lot of people. This is 0:55:59.258 --> 0:56:03.538 DeMarcus Covington's the West Coast coach. Sure, this is DeMarcus 0:56:03.578 --> 0:56:08.337 Covington's first time doing this, so I'm willing to give 0:56:08.458 --> 0:56:12.738 him some grace. But with that being said, these are 0:56:12.818 --> 0:56:15.618 trends that I've been talking about all year long, and 0:56:16.338 --> 0:56:19.538 I do really start to worry about the chops on 0:56:19.578 --> 0:56:22.498 the defensive side of the football, and I would like 0:56:22.618 --> 0:56:27.138 to think that Gerrod Mayo could take more ownership and 0:56:27.258 --> 0:56:31.858 fix some of these things. Like, for example, at halftime, 0:56:32.618 --> 0:56:35.898 how do they how don't you call off the dogs? Right? 0:56:35.938 --> 0:56:36.018 Like? 0:56:36.058 --> 0:56:39.738 How do you not say to DeMarcus Comington at halftime, Hey, DeMarcus, 0:56:39.858 --> 0:56:43.817 let's not blitz. Matthew Stafford, he's shredding us. Every time 0:56:43.858 --> 0:56:47.778 we blitz, it's backfiring the first or second player. The 0:56:47.818 --> 0:56:50.538 third quarter is a sixty nine yard touchdown on an 0:56:50.578 --> 0:56:55.378 all out blitz, right Like? How is that not a conversation? Hey, DeMarcus, 0:56:55.618 --> 0:57:00.338 Puka Nikua has six for one hundred and seventeen at halftime, Like, 0:57:00.378 --> 0:57:04.178 maybe we should put Christian Gonzalez on Puka Nikua, right, Like, 0:57:04.218 --> 0:57:07.378 these are the sort of adjustments that I don't see happening. 0:57:07.658 --> 0:57:09.618 And I put that on the head coach. It's not 0:57:09.738 --> 0:57:12.378 on the coordinator. It can be on the coordinator. Like 0:57:12.418 --> 0:57:15.258 if you have a really if Steve Spagnolo was defensive 0:57:15.298 --> 0:57:17.338 coordinator for the Patriots, I would expect him to do 0:57:17.338 --> 0:57:19.538 it on his bit. But it's you know, jerd me 0:57:19.738 --> 0:57:22.658 is a defensive mind head coach, so no, I think it's. 0:57:22.458 --> 0:57:25.818 Totally fair to put that on him and just projecting ahead. 0:57:26.498 --> 0:57:30.818 I think this game against Miami super education when it 0:57:30.818 --> 0:57:33.378 comes to where DeMarcus Comington's at, because this is you 0:57:33.498 --> 0:57:36.058 just got killed by motion. Yeah, you just got killed 0:57:36.058 --> 0:57:39.818 by motion and over blitzing. And now you are facing 0:57:39.818 --> 0:57:42.178 a team that motions, and now that the philosophy behind 0:57:42.218 --> 0:57:43.858 the motion is different, it's a different sort of motion. 0:57:43.938 --> 0:57:46.298 But yeah, you're facing a team that motions as much 0:57:46.498 --> 0:57:48.738 more with where they ranks the Dolphins. 0:57:48.818 --> 0:57:51.178 Yeah, so the Dolphins are one in la Is too, 0:57:51.698 --> 0:57:53.378 it's by a couplets. 0:57:53.418 --> 0:57:55.898 So you're facing a team that motions more than anybody else. Yeah, 0:57:55.938 --> 0:57:57.938 you're facing a quarterback into it. Do you know what 0:57:59.298 --> 0:58:02.458 his passer rating is against So his passerating outside the 0:58:02.458 --> 0:58:03.538 pocket this year is perfect? 0:58:03.658 --> 0:58:03.818 I know. 0:58:03.898 --> 0:58:06.258 Yeah, he's been really good. Extend his play. His passerating 0:58:06.258 --> 0:58:09.058 against pressure is one twenty six point two. Uh, and 0:58:09.098 --> 0:58:11.018 he's just got such a quick rule. He's been just 0:58:11.218 --> 0:58:14.498 unreal against pressure. So a guy that you you don't 0:58:14.498 --> 0:58:16.698 want to blitz because blitzing him isn't really gonna matter. 0:58:17.098 --> 0:58:20.618 Right, So here you have the two things you got 0:58:20.658 --> 0:58:23.698 wrong the most last week, handling motion and over blitzing. 0:58:23.938 --> 0:58:26.538 Ye and those two things are going to be at 0:58:26.538 --> 0:58:30.418 the forefront of game planning for Miami. Yep, great opportun 0:58:30.458 --> 0:58:36.058 tunity for DeMarcus Covington to show, all right, last week, 0:58:36.498 --> 0:58:38.818 I was a rookie, I got my You know, he's 0:58:38.818 --> 0:58:40.258 not new to the NFL, but you know what I'm saying, 0:58:40.298 --> 0:58:44.538 welcome to the NFL coordinator. Moment I learned I fixed it. 0:58:44.978 --> 0:58:46.938 Great opportunity for him to show that. Or do we 0:58:46.938 --> 0:58:49.378 come on here next week and say, wow, he learned 0:58:49.378 --> 0:58:50.378 nothing against the Rams. 0:58:50.378 --> 0:58:52.298 It may not be it. Yeah, it's a great point, 0:58:52.338 --> 0:58:54.938 and that's what I'm willing to allow for some grace. 0:58:54.978 --> 0:58:57.218 But well, I think I guess to that, like sometime 0:58:57.258 --> 0:58:59.698 we've been doing this with Drake may about the turnovers, right, 0:58:59.858 --> 0:59:03.018 or just in general the team growing the receivers. It's 0:59:03.458 --> 0:59:05.738 you're not gonna get immediate answers to some of this stuff. 0:59:05.738 --> 0:59:07.818 It's gonna take a little longer. This is a unique 0:59:07.858 --> 0:59:09.658 one where I'm not saying that this game is make 0:59:09.778 --> 0:59:12.978 or break for DeMarcus Covington, but you're gonna get a 0:59:12.978 --> 0:59:16.018 pretty i mediate answer on how well he adjusts after 0:59:16.058 --> 0:59:17.138 getting his lunch handed to him. 0:59:17.218 --> 0:59:20.018 Yeah, it's a great point. And today, earlier today, oz 0:59:20.058 --> 0:59:23.418 Vann Pelt was asked about the Patriots rookie receivers Jalen 0:59:23.458 --> 0:59:25.258 Polk and jay Von Baker and said, we're not really 0:59:25.338 --> 0:59:27.858 rookies anymore. I would say the same thing about the coaches, 0:59:27.978 --> 0:59:30.938 Like you've coached eleven games now at some point in 0:59:31.018 --> 0:59:33.058 time where you have to start to see some of 0:59:33.098 --> 0:59:36.938 these rookie mistakes on the coaching staff as well, Like 0:59:36.978 --> 0:59:39.418 those things have to get out of their system too, 0:59:39.738 --> 0:59:41.458 and you got to get these guys ready to play. 0:59:41.498 --> 0:59:43.578 Like we said it in Chicago, we gave them their 0:59:43.578 --> 0:59:46.178 flowers after the Bears game because they were ready to play. 0:59:46.218 --> 0:59:48.498 They had a good plan, they were ready to play 0:59:48.538 --> 0:59:50.858 on both sides of the football. They won a football game. 0:59:51.298 --> 0:59:54.698 It went backwards this week on the defensive side at least, 0:59:54.858 --> 0:59:57.258 where we I feel like we came out of this 0:59:57.378 --> 1:00:00.338 game and said the coaches lost them a game. You 1:00:00.418 --> 1:00:03.058 win games with the players, you lose games with the coaches, right, 1:00:03.098 --> 1:00:05.018 and this week against the Rams, it felt like the 1:00:05.058 --> 1:00:07.778 coaches lost them the game on the defensive side of 1:00:07.818 --> 1:00:10.818 the ball. One other thing I'll give DeMarcus Covington, and 1:00:10.858 --> 1:00:14.338 then we got to wrap this. One of the bigger 1:00:14.378 --> 1:00:18.218 guys that was responsible for all of the breakdowns in 1:00:18.258 --> 1:00:21.018 the first half especially is no longer on the team, 1:00:21.058 --> 1:00:24.298 and that's Marco Wilson. Marco Wilson and I wanted to 1:00:24.338 --> 1:00:27.258 segue into three up, three down. Anyways, I had Marco 1:00:27.298 --> 1:00:31.098 Wilson as my number one down. But then they the 1:00:31.138 --> 1:00:34.418 team it was it was bad, like I was as bad. 1:00:34.498 --> 1:00:35.858 Like he looked like he was out of the line 1:00:35.898 --> 1:00:36.218 I was. 1:00:37.498 --> 1:00:39.378 And you kind of saw it coming in like they 1:00:39.378 --> 1:00:41.898 were gonna need a bigger corner, right, So all right, Gonzales. 1:00:41.898 --> 1:00:44.378 We didn't think Gonzal's gonna be covering Robinson, but yeah, 1:00:44.458 --> 1:00:45.858 Gonzals take one of those guys. 1:00:46.098 --> 1:00:49.338 Jonathan Jones has looked like he's maybe lost a step. 1:00:49.818 --> 1:00:52.538 Marcus Jones I actually thought had like a sneaky, decent 1:00:52.658 --> 1:00:55.978 game for what it was, but five eight against these 1:00:56.058 --> 1:00:59.338 receivers in tough, tough ask. Yeah, and then Yeah, Marc 1:00:59.418 --> 1:01:01.898 Wilson had been great. I was surprised didn't activate Alex 1:01:01.938 --> 1:01:04.218 Austin before the game. Yeah, and I wonder if they 1:01:04.258 --> 1:01:06.698 regretted not doing so after all right. 1:01:07.058 --> 1:01:10.538 Three up, three down? Yep? Good segue is who's your 1:01:10.578 --> 1:01:12.738 number one up in this game? All right? Victory lap 1:01:12.778 --> 1:01:16.578 time Kendrick Bourne. Yeah, there you go. I can't believe 1:01:17.418 --> 1:01:19.578 we've done this. Stop. 1:01:19.818 --> 1:01:22.778 I can't believe we've done this three years in a row. 1:01:23.338 --> 1:01:27.218 Where Kendrick Bourne, yeah, shows he's a good football player. 1:01:27.378 --> 1:01:27.658 Yeah. 1:01:27.698 --> 1:01:31.778 The Patriots coaching staff, for whatever usually petty reason, disagrees 1:01:32.058 --> 1:01:34.858 Kendrick Bourne gets benched. They roll through the rest of 1:01:34.898 --> 1:01:37.418 their receivers, none of whom show anything close to what 1:01:37.498 --> 1:01:39.898 Kendrick Born can do. Eventually they're forced to go back 1:01:39.898 --> 1:01:42.178 to Kendrick Bourne. And wouldn't you know it, He's an 1:01:42.218 --> 1:01:45.378 electric playmaker and the offense as a whole looks better 1:01:45.498 --> 1:01:49.498 with Kendrick Bourne on the field. I understand the if 1:01:49.538 --> 1:01:52.058 you have the best bad story about every roommate you've 1:01:52.058 --> 1:01:53.898 ever had, you're probably the bad roommate. 1:01:53.938 --> 1:01:54.418 I get that. 1:01:54.698 --> 1:01:57.778 I think Kendrick Bourne is the exception. People point out, like, 1:01:58.098 --> 1:02:00.458 all right, you know three coaching staffs. He got benched 1:02:00.458 --> 1:02:02.938 all three times. I think Kendrick Borrn's the exception in 1:02:02.978 --> 1:02:05.658 that rule. I actually think the promise coaching staffs because 1:02:05.978 --> 1:02:07.098 is Kendrick Born perfect. 1:02:07.098 --> 1:02:07.738 No, he's not. 1:02:08.098 --> 1:02:10.218 He runs some bad routes, he takes some bad penalties. 1:02:10.458 --> 1:02:14.338 But one, how exactly has these have these last three 1:02:14.378 --> 1:02:16.738 coaching staffs, and I acknowledge their different staffs, how have they 1:02:16.818 --> 1:02:19.178 done with evaluating wide receiver talent as a whole y? 1:02:19.298 --> 1:02:19.738 That's fair? 1:02:19.778 --> 1:02:23.738 And two, they can't exactly be picky when it comes 1:02:23.778 --> 1:02:25.618 to who they're putting on the field at receiver. For 1:02:25.938 --> 1:02:28.298 the bumps in the road that exists with Kendrick Bourne, 1:02:29.338 --> 1:02:32.018 every time he's out, he looks like they're best receiver. 1:02:32.498 --> 1:02:34.658 He's on a thousand yard pace in twenty one before 1:02:34.698 --> 1:02:37.698 he got COVID. We saw remember in twenty twenty two, 1:02:37.698 --> 1:02:39.618 we got benched in the opener. We played two plays, 1:02:39.618 --> 1:02:41.738 they were both like twenty plus yard completions, and then 1:02:41.738 --> 1:02:43.818 we didn't see him again for a month. Last year, 1:02:43.938 --> 1:02:46.058 same thing. Now here we go again this year. He's 1:02:46.098 --> 1:02:49.218 their leading receiver in his return and you know what, 1:02:49.258 --> 1:02:51.618 at this point, he's closer to thirty he's coming off 1:02:51.618 --> 1:02:55.098 of torn acl so maybe they just totally burned the 1:02:55.178 --> 1:02:58.578 upside that he had and that would suck. But Kendrick Bourne, 1:02:58.618 --> 1:03:00.258 I still want them gonna go ge Dk Metcalf. But 1:03:00.338 --> 1:03:03.418 Kendrick Bourne is a damn good player. He's a good receiver. 1:03:03.618 --> 1:03:06.178 He should be on the field. He proved it on 1:03:06.338 --> 1:03:08.698 Sunday and I truly believe he'll continue to prove it 1:03:08.738 --> 1:03:09.338 the rest of the year. 1:03:09.418 --> 1:03:12.218 I got Doso's a good ram. Yeah. I just can't 1:03:12.218 --> 1:03:15.258 believe this is the third time. So Kendrick Borne is 1:03:15.258 --> 1:03:19.058 my number two UK. So I'll just jump the shark 1:03:19.098 --> 1:03:21.698 hair on that it saw it jumps sharkans. God damn, 1:03:21.778 --> 1:03:23.538 don't jump the shark jump don't do you know what 1:03:23.578 --> 1:03:25.298 Jump Felger did this last week? Do you know what 1:03:25.378 --> 1:03:26.018 jumped the shark one? 1:03:26.578 --> 1:03:28.418 Okay, no, because you used it there in like a 1:03:28.498 --> 1:03:29.778 really bad way to use it. 1:03:29.858 --> 1:03:34.138 Oh no, you didn't offend anybody. It's it's more just 1:03:34.178 --> 1:03:37.738 like a jinx Oh no, sorry KB. So no, no, 1:03:37.818 --> 1:03:39.418 you didn't chinx KB you jinxed us? 1:03:39.538 --> 1:03:43.938 Oh no, so jump the shark is Happy Days is 1:03:43.938 --> 1:03:45.938 a very popular TV show in the seventies, right, But 1:03:46.298 --> 1:03:48.298 you know as most TV shows do, even if you 1:03:48.298 --> 1:03:50.098 have a good run, you kind of run out of ideas. 1:03:50.258 --> 1:03:52.978 So at one point later in the run, they had 1:03:53.058 --> 1:03:56.218 an episode a plot point where the main character jumps 1:03:56.218 --> 1:03:59.138 the shark on skis, and it was so. 1:03:59.298 --> 1:03:59.978 Was it the fawns? 1:04:00.058 --> 1:04:03.218 Yeah, I remember, So it's so like, not in the 1:04:03.298 --> 1:04:04.218 character of the show. 1:04:04.458 --> 1:04:05.538 It's just out of nowhere. 1:04:05.778 --> 1:04:08.138 So that's when everybody was like, happy Days was over 1:04:08.538 --> 1:04:11.258 when he jumped the shark. So when you say something 1:04:11.338 --> 1:04:14.138 jumps the shark, it's mainly about TV shows, it means 1:04:14.338 --> 1:04:15.338 it's not good anymore. 1:04:15.578 --> 1:04:20.058 It's forcing it, it's over. No, right, we do not 1:04:20.298 --> 1:04:22.218 do not You should not jump the shark. We do 1:04:22.298 --> 1:04:24.938 not want to jump the shark. That is a horrible 1:04:24.978 --> 1:04:27.898 thing to say about a show, or a person or anybody. 1:04:28.018 --> 1:04:30.458 We do not want to be You meant they jumped 1:04:30.578 --> 1:04:32.938 the gun. Jump the gun, thank you. We should not 1:04:33.018 --> 1:04:35.818 be jumping the shark. If Catch twenty two jumps the shark, 1:04:36.338 --> 1:04:38.298 you listeners need to let us know because I do 1:04:38.378 --> 1:04:40.818 not want that to happen. And look, we've been at this, 1:04:40.898 --> 1:04:43.858 going back to the CLNS days for close to ten 1:04:43.938 --> 1:04:46.738 years now, so it's something we need to be aware 1:04:46.738 --> 1:04:50.458 of let's not jump the shark please. For ten years now, 1:04:50.498 --> 1:04:52.898 you've probably been correcting me on my use of idioms 1:04:52.938 --> 1:04:55.018 because I'm terrible at it. Okay, I don't know that one. 1:04:55.098 --> 1:04:57.058 That one is like you understand why I had to 1:04:57.058 --> 1:04:59.938 stop at that. I mean, jump the gun. Please, please 1:05:00.658 --> 1:05:04.378 do not jump. Okay. It's so weird because that we 1:05:04.378 --> 1:05:07.738 did a whole They were with Felder last week on 1:05:07.818 --> 1:05:10.898 idioms because of jump the shark. Anyways, you know where 1:05:11.778 --> 1:05:13.658 you know where? Give somebody the cold shoulder comes from? 1:05:13.858 --> 1:05:18.458 No back in like old timey England. Yeah, they would. 1:05:18.218 --> 1:05:19.698 If you had a guess at your house he wanted 1:05:19.698 --> 1:05:21.258 them to leave. A polite way to ask them to 1:05:21.338 --> 1:05:23.698 leave was to give them a cold cut of shoulder meat. 1:05:24.978 --> 1:05:26.458 It was how you told him to leave. So give 1:05:26.498 --> 1:05:27.418 somebody the cold shoulder. 1:05:27.498 --> 1:05:30.858 That's disgusting, it's it's fascinating, it's fascinating stuff. 1:05:31.018 --> 1:05:34.698 So anyways, Kennrick Borden was my number two up, so 1:05:34.738 --> 1:05:37.018 I'll just talk about him now since you brought him 1:05:37.058 --> 1:05:40.178 up first. I talked to KB today in the locker 1:05:40.258 --> 1:05:44.418 room actually, and he just said that you know, first 1:05:44.458 --> 1:05:47.818 of all, he got benched, and when you get bench. 1:05:47.898 --> 1:05:51.658 That definitely snaps you into focus, right like that, that'll 1:05:51.698 --> 1:05:55.138 do it. So he responded really well to that. I 1:05:55.218 --> 1:05:58.338 just thought he was so much more precise and detailed 1:05:58.338 --> 1:06:01.738 this week with his routes, with his timing, like where 1:06:01.778 --> 1:06:04.978 he was supposed to be on the field, his conversions, 1:06:05.018 --> 1:06:07.218 like all of that stuff was just so much better 1:06:07.698 --> 1:06:10.218 than it was. You know, the even on the back 1:06:10.258 --> 1:06:12.778 shoulder throw in the two minute. I know it didn't 1:06:12.858 --> 1:06:15.138 end the way they wanted it to, but like that's 1:06:15.138 --> 1:06:17.618 a play with the chemistry and the timing with Drake 1:06:17.658 --> 1:06:18.978 that I just don't know would have been there a 1:06:19.058 --> 1:06:21.418 couple of weeks ago. It wasn't. In Tennessee, they threw 1:06:21.418 --> 1:06:24.738 a really similar play and was almost intercepted. The couple 1:06:24.778 --> 1:06:27.218 of those spot routes that he ran. Out of those 1:06:27.258 --> 1:06:30.618 concepts in the bunch, like just catch the ball on 1:06:30.818 --> 1:06:34.058 him up the field. Yards after catch, like I believe 1:06:34.058 --> 1:06:36.058 he had twenty six yards after the catch in this 1:06:36.098 --> 1:06:39.138 game felt like more. But that's what PFF had to 1:06:39.178 --> 1:06:43.498 say about it. So just much more detailed, much more 1:06:43.578 --> 1:06:46.818 crisp with his routes. I thought he was awesome in 1:06:46.858 --> 1:06:49.338 this game. And if they get that version of Kendrick Bourne. 1:06:49.338 --> 1:06:51.858 Moving forward, They're in good shape. Who's number two? 1:06:52.658 --> 1:06:56.578 Number two for me was sticking with the pass catchers. 1:06:56.618 --> 1:06:57.098 Hunter Henry. 1:06:57.138 --> 1:06:59.418 Kind of talked about him already just in that safety 1:06:59.418 --> 1:07:01.378 blanket roll. All of minor pass catchers, by the way, 1:07:01.418 --> 1:07:04.058 all my ups pretty much everything I said before. 1:07:03.898 --> 1:07:06.458 About Hunter Henry. He was good in this game. Yeah. 1:07:06.498 --> 1:07:09.218 I almost had him too. I had him in Pop 1:07:09.258 --> 1:07:13.258 Douglass honorable mentions on this list. I just thought Hunter 1:07:13.338 --> 1:07:17.458 Henry he missed one key block and the third and 1:07:17.578 --> 1:07:21.018 one play that they almost went for it on fourth down, 1:07:21.018 --> 1:07:23.778 and then Polk jumps off side to play before that 1:07:24.578 --> 1:07:27.058 he missed the block, and then Douglas obviously was in 1:07:27.098 --> 1:07:29.058 on the interception that end of the game. So I 1:07:29.778 --> 1:07:32.298 couldn't completely put them on the ups, but I thought 1:07:32.378 --> 1:07:34.938 both of them were on the whole. We're really good 1:07:34.938 --> 1:07:37.538 in this game. My number one up though, to go 1:07:37.618 --> 1:07:39.938 back to that was I'm gonna do I'm gonna pull 1:07:39.978 --> 1:07:43.018 you ready for this, Yeah, I'm gonna pull you right now. 1:07:44.458 --> 1:07:47.538 Drake May for the first fifty eight minutes of the game. Okay, 1:07:47.818 --> 1:07:50.258 so fair enough, So Drake May for the first fifty 1:07:50.298 --> 1:07:53.378 eight minutes of the game, was what was the best 1:07:53.378 --> 1:07:56.458 game that I have charted for Patriots quarterback since Mac Jones' 1:07:56.578 --> 1:07:58.898 rookie season against Cleveland, which was just a hell of 1:07:58.898 --> 1:08:03.098 a game that Mac played that that day. Drake May 1:08:03.178 --> 1:08:06.818 had fifteen plus plays to three minus plays. That's a 1:08:06.858 --> 1:08:09.018 plus twelve net if you don't if you're not good 1:08:09.058 --> 1:08:11.978 at math. For me, through the first fifty eight minutes, 1:08:12.778 --> 1:08:16.697 just excellent, like on time in rhythm, instructure, playmaking from 1:08:16.778 --> 1:08:22.577 the pocket, I manipulation, hot concepts, seeing blitzes, getting the 1:08:22.577 --> 1:08:25.817 football out on time accurately to the first two levels 1:08:25.818 --> 1:08:27.697 of the field like that, I think is the one 1:08:27.738 --> 1:08:32.138 thing that has really really improved in his game. From 1:08:32.138 --> 1:08:35.418 the Houston game to now Houston game. He had some sprays, 1:08:35.577 --> 1:08:38.697 remember like you know, just throwing behind guys or throwing 1:08:38.818 --> 1:08:41.697 high over the middle of the Pop Douglas. In this game, 1:08:41.778 --> 1:08:44.858 he was His accuracy at the first two levels of 1:08:44.898 --> 1:08:48.497 the defense was excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent, really come a 1:08:48.537 --> 1:08:52.737 long way in that regard as a passer, and that 1:08:52.978 --> 1:08:55.657 to me tells me that he's really on his way. 1:08:55.697 --> 1:08:58.178 Once they get guys on the outside that can win 1:08:58.298 --> 1:09:00.817 down the field for him, the deep ball will come like, 1:09:00.857 --> 1:09:03.017 I don't think that that's Drake May forgetting how to 1:09:03.058 --> 1:09:04.897 throw the deep ball. We know we can throw it deep. 1:09:05.178 --> 1:09:07.378 What we didn't know is if he could operate on 1:09:07.577 --> 1:09:11.378 schedule in the short and intermediate passing game consistently enough 1:09:11.418 --> 1:09:13.977 to move an offense. He did that at an extremely 1:09:14.018 --> 1:09:16.777 high level. On Sunday. You still see some of the 1:09:17.018 --> 1:09:20.537 off script stuff, you know, sixteen yards scramble, the one 1:09:20.577 --> 1:09:22.977 to Henry that gets negated. Even though that got wiped 1:09:23.018 --> 1:09:25.137 out by penalty, I still count that as a plus 1:09:25.138 --> 1:09:27.977 play for Drake May. It still happened. It just didn't happen, 1:09:28.058 --> 1:09:31.178 and it didn't count some of the he made in 1:09:31.218 --> 1:09:34.097 this game to just throw the ball away or check 1:09:34.138 --> 1:09:36.897 it down. I thought he was really patient throughout the 1:09:37.058 --> 1:09:39.178 entire game as well, and didn't put the ball in 1:09:39.218 --> 1:09:43.378 harm's way often other than the strip sack, which I 1:09:43.537 --> 1:09:45.737 kind of put on him. But at the same time, 1:09:45.777 --> 1:09:48.097 I thought that was really his only turnover worthy play 1:09:48.138 --> 1:09:50.777 in this game. Just in general, I thought for the 1:09:50.777 --> 1:09:53.218 first fifty eight minutes he was electric. I thought he 1:09:53.298 --> 1:09:56.817 was excellent for that start. So Drake May for the 1:09:56.817 --> 1:09:59.017 first fifty eight minutes, and I think you can see 1:09:59.018 --> 1:10:01.177 where I'm going with this, but it was your last. 1:10:01.138 --> 1:10:03.937 I think he was pretty good similar Pop Douglas minus 1:10:03.978 --> 1:10:06.857 the last play. Yeah, I thought Pop Douglass was did 1:10:06.857 --> 1:10:09.137 a really good job in this game, creating after the catch, 1:10:09.617 --> 1:10:12.817 finding holes and coverage things like that. I just thought 1:10:12.817 --> 1:10:16.458 you got a really complete effort from the Patriots pass 1:10:16.458 --> 1:10:17.258 catchers in this game. 1:10:17.378 --> 1:10:21.017 Yeah. So, I know I did a lot of waxing 1:10:21.058 --> 1:10:23.537 poetic about AVP, but he was my last up on 1:10:23.657 --> 1:10:26.017 the list. I think the biggest thing that I didn't 1:10:26.058 --> 1:10:28.017 mention I mentioned the rest of this but the biggest 1:10:28.018 --> 1:10:29.897 thing that I didn't mention off the top or I 1:10:29.978 --> 1:10:32.777 kind of did, But uh, the game plan in this 1:10:32.817 --> 1:10:37.537 game to use the short and intermediate passing game against 1:10:37.537 --> 1:10:39.977 that Rams pass rush. That's what we've been talking about 1:10:39.978 --> 1:10:43.298 when we say you can scheme around weaknesses. That is 1:10:43.617 --> 1:10:48.177 scheming around a mismatch, so and protecting your offense against 1:10:48.218 --> 1:10:48.817 a mismatch. 1:10:48.937 --> 1:10:51.178 Drake may had his lowest a DOT in this game, 1:10:51.497 --> 1:10:52.857 but then he of us starts so far. 1:10:52.817 --> 1:10:56.897 So is five point six yards per attempt in the air? 1:10:57.058 --> 1:10:59.777 Air yards per pass attempt a dot? Right, But it's 1:10:59.777 --> 1:11:01.857 like seven to six, No, five point six, I thought 1:11:01.897 --> 1:11:05.097 PFF had like seven. No, where'd you find it? No? 1:11:05.258 --> 1:11:11.258 Five point six? Next gen? Okay, anyways, I finally get 1:11:11.258 --> 1:11:13.537 into using PFF and now you're like, no, you're wrong. No, 1:11:13.617 --> 1:11:16.418 I just that number is definitely not right. Uh five 1:11:16.458 --> 1:11:17.017 point six? 1:11:17.138 --> 1:11:19.258 So then wait, so if if it's that much lower 1:11:19.298 --> 1:11:21.258 PFF had bo Nix's a dot is four? 1:11:21.338 --> 1:11:24.338 What was bo Nix's Actually Okay, maybe you just were 1:11:24.378 --> 1:11:27.057 looking in their own place? Is that? Is that possible? 1:11:28.657 --> 1:11:30.657 I love how this is what we get bogged down by. 1:11:30.978 --> 1:11:33.017 No, because like I've been talking about this all week, 1:11:33.058 --> 1:11:34.418 and now I want to make sure I got a ring. 1:11:34.577 --> 1:11:36.137 I think he might have been looking at the wrong 1:11:36.657 --> 1:11:38.338 I'm gonna keep going while you while. 1:11:38.218 --> 1:11:41.137 You Oh, no, I I'm remembering wrong. They have five 1:11:41.138 --> 1:11:42.537 point seven? It was five point seven. 1:11:42.697 --> 1:11:44.777 Yeah, I had the seven in my mind. Yeah. So 1:11:44.857 --> 1:11:47.657 we we've talked about this a bunch though. It's knowing 1:11:47.697 --> 1:11:50.617 where your weaknesses are and covering up and scheming around 1:11:50.617 --> 1:11:54.458 your weaknesses. Coming into this game with a lot of 1:11:54.857 --> 1:11:58.777 short and intermediate passing concepts and just understanding that Drake 1:11:58.857 --> 1:12:01.737 may just couldn't hold the ball in this game. I 1:12:01.777 --> 1:12:04.258 thought was really really smart. By the uh, the OC 1:12:04.458 --> 1:12:07.217 and and really good game planning and play calling around 1:12:07.218 --> 1:12:10.138 your deficiencies. So I had Van Pelt as my third up, 1:12:10.138 --> 1:12:12.737 and then I had honorable mentions for Hunter Henry and 1:12:12.777 --> 1:12:15.857 for Pop Douglas as well. So let's move over to 1:12:15.857 --> 1:12:17.977 the other side of the Ohix's adult last week was 1:12:17.978 --> 1:12:20.458 for oh and last honorable mention, I thought the only 1:12:20.497 --> 1:12:24.137 good player on defense in this entire game, knock Onzo's fault. 1:12:24.378 --> 1:12:28.378 His usage was why he wasn't necessarily Kean White was 1:12:28.378 --> 1:12:30.177 the only good player in this game for the Patriots 1:12:30.178 --> 1:12:32.737 defense in the front seven. He was disruptive, he had 1:12:32.777 --> 1:12:34.657 a good game. Let's go to the downs. 1:12:35.178 --> 1:12:37.857 I mean, we already did an hour on this, DeMarcus 1:12:37.857 --> 1:12:39.458 coming to number one, Yeah, we sure. 1:12:39.497 --> 1:12:40.737 I don't know how much more were we have to 1:12:40.777 --> 1:12:43.937 say about that at the point, as pretty self explanatory. Yep. 1:12:44.258 --> 1:12:47.777 My number one down was Marco Wilson. He's no longer 1:12:47.817 --> 1:12:49.258 on the team. I took I had four, but I 1:12:49.258 --> 1:12:50.897 took him off. Yeah, I had four too. I mean, 1:12:50.897 --> 1:12:53.338 when you get cut it kind of yeah, but I 1:12:53.418 --> 1:12:56.418 replaced him with Jonathan Jones. It wasn't that Jonathan Jones 1:12:56.497 --> 1:12:59.418 was awful in terms of where he was on every 1:12:59.458 --> 1:13:02.257 single play. They were tough, good plays by the offense, 1:13:02.537 --> 1:13:05.537 But you give up three touchdowns, you give up three toudies, right, like, yeah, 1:13:05.617 --> 1:13:07.697 that's gonna go on the downs Like it just wasn't 1:13:07.777 --> 1:13:10.697 very good. It wasn't good enough, Like he just wasn't 1:13:10.737 --> 1:13:13.697 quite good enough in certain spots. And then I obviously 1:13:13.777 --> 1:13:17.657 explained earlier I didn't think he played the cup touchdown. 1:13:17.657 --> 1:13:19.977 I didn't think he played a great technique on that 1:13:20.018 --> 1:13:23.097 play either in that cover zero. So I had Jonathan 1:13:23.138 --> 1:13:23.897 Jones number one. 1:13:24.737 --> 1:13:27.178 I so coming to his number one, number two, I 1:13:27.537 --> 1:13:29.458 don't put him in order, I guess. But Kyle Dugger, 1:13:29.937 --> 1:13:32.057 I just thought rough game for him, first game back 1:13:32.098 --> 1:13:35.177 for that ankle injury. He missed a couple tackles early, 1:13:35.897 --> 1:13:37.777 little slow to the spot at times. I just wonder 1:13:37.817 --> 1:13:40.657 how much that ankle injury still bothering him. He didn't 1:13:40.657 --> 1:13:41.697 look like he was one hundred. 1:13:41.497 --> 1:13:47.378 Per Yeah, yeah, that's fair. My number two downs were 1:13:47.418 --> 1:13:52.218 I combined two guys, Daniel Aqualay and Krishan Ellis combined 1:13:53.258 --> 1:13:56.537 just got absolutely gashed in the run game. Like it's 1:13:56.657 --> 1:13:59.697 just a game. And I always use this reference for 1:13:59.937 --> 1:14:03.418 corners usually, but like now the Patriots have Waldo's in 1:14:03.458 --> 1:14:06.338 the front seven, where it's just like, wherever those two 1:14:06.338 --> 1:14:08.977 guys are, we're just gonna run it right at those 1:14:09.018 --> 1:14:12.298 two guys. We're gonna run away from Godshaw, We're gonna 1:14:12.338 --> 1:14:14.937 run away from Farms, We're gonna run away from Jennings, 1:14:14.937 --> 1:14:17.537 We're gonna run away from Tavai, and we're gonna put 1:14:17.537 --> 1:14:19.577 Ellis and we're gonna put a quality at the point 1:14:19.577 --> 1:14:21.817 of attack and we're gonna come right at him. And 1:14:22.098 --> 1:14:26.897 they just could not stop the run. Daniel Aqualay is 1:14:26.937 --> 1:14:31.378 a really fine rotational pass rusher, Like if you're playing 1:14:31.458 --> 1:14:34.937 him situationally, you can get by with him on the 1:14:34.978 --> 1:14:38.258 field and he can actually be disruptive on the pass rush. 1:14:38.258 --> 1:14:40.777 But they have to hope it doesn't look like Dietrich 1:14:40.817 --> 1:14:43.418 Wise is coming back. He hasn't practiced the last two days. 1:14:44.138 --> 1:14:47.097 Whether it's Jacquelin Roy, it's a bigger role for Christian 1:14:47.138 --> 1:14:49.817 Barmore on early downs now that he's getting back in 1:14:49.817 --> 1:14:52.298 the fold. Either way, they have to figure out a 1:14:52.298 --> 1:14:54.738 way to get Daniel Qualley off the field on rundowns. 1:14:55.098 --> 1:14:59.418 Yeah, next left side of the offensive line. So Darian 1:14:59.458 --> 1:15:02.697 Lowe had two very costly penalties. One of those penalties 1:15:02.737 --> 1:15:06.258 the illegal formation one. Michael He's lining up based on 1:15:06.298 --> 1:15:09.137 where Michael Jordan is, and Michael Jordan's not lined up correctly. 1:15:09.218 --> 1:15:12.338 So right, on one hand, you look at low and say, 1:15:12.378 --> 1:15:14.378 look down the line, realize he's not lined up, give 1:15:14.458 --> 1:15:15.097 me a tablet him. 1:15:15.098 --> 1:15:15.178 No. 1:15:15.258 --> 1:15:17.218 On the other hand, you know he shouldn't have to 1:15:17.218 --> 1:15:19.058 worry about where other guys are lined up. This is 1:15:19.058 --> 1:15:20.697 the NFL. You should just be able to trust that 1:15:20.777 --> 1:15:23.857 guy's lined up correctly. Not Jordan's worst game in the 1:15:23.937 --> 1:15:26.458 last few weeks, but certainly not one of his best. 1:15:27.577 --> 1:15:29.857 And Darian Low two just got beat a few times, 1:15:29.897 --> 1:15:33.418 so not a great day for either of those two. 1:15:33.777 --> 1:15:36.577 So I had Michael Jordan as my last one. I 1:15:36.617 --> 1:15:39.298 am with you on this. This has been trending, I 1:15:39.338 --> 1:15:41.418 would say, with Michael Jordan, and we're now at the 1:15:41.458 --> 1:15:46.258 point where we're talking about Cole strange Citiso has also 1:15:46.338 --> 1:15:49.298 not been good when they've given him opportunities to play 1:15:49.298 --> 1:15:53.058 guard so far, so maybe he's not the answer. But 1:15:53.617 --> 1:15:56.577 they pretty much can't run behind Michael Jordan like they 1:15:56.737 --> 1:15:58.857 just every time they run behind him, he's given up 1:15:58.857 --> 1:16:01.418 stuffs left and right. I had him with five run 1:16:01.497 --> 1:16:05.298 stuffs allowed in this game, just getting bodied, like upper 1:16:05.378 --> 1:16:07.977 body strain just not there, right, They just can't really 1:16:07.978 --> 1:16:10.258 sustain blocks. It's not so much that I think that 1:16:10.298 --> 1:16:12.817 he's bad in the initial setup of the block. I 1:16:12.857 --> 1:16:14.977 actually think that he gets on the guy pretty well. 1:16:15.258 --> 1:16:17.378 He just can't sustain it, Like he just gets thrown 1:16:17.378 --> 1:16:20.977 off blocks too much. So I had him as a down. 1:16:21.338 --> 1:16:23.697 I didn't think Ben Brown was great in this game either, 1:16:23.777 --> 1:16:25.857 but I give him some leeway because he's a practice 1:16:25.857 --> 1:16:27.617 squad guy that's being forced to start. 1:16:27.777 --> 1:16:29.897 At this point, I think it's game on between Michael 1:16:29.937 --> 1:16:32.777 Jordan Ben who's gonna play well enough to save their 1:16:32.817 --> 1:16:34.897 job because Cole Strange's coming from one of those two spots. 1:16:34.978 --> 1:16:39.537 Agreed, Agreed. I believe that they're trying, and this coaching 1:16:39.577 --> 1:16:42.777 staff said it earlier with Van Pelt. I believe that 1:16:42.817 --> 1:16:46.497 they want Strange to play center. That's where his main 1:16:46.497 --> 1:16:49.977 focus is been in practice now. He said that that's 1:16:50.058 --> 1:16:52.497 mostly because he knows guard so well that he doesn't 1:16:52.537 --> 1:16:56.537 really need to care or focus as much on guard mentally, right, 1:16:56.657 --> 1:16:59.017 Like he kind of knows what he's doing there. But 1:16:59.058 --> 1:17:01.097 I'm with you. As soon as Cole Strange is healthy, 1:17:01.657 --> 1:17:03.897 as soon as he's ready to go and is ramped 1:17:03.978 --> 1:17:06.298 up enough to play, I think he's going in. I 1:17:06.378 --> 1:17:08.058 don't know if it's gonna be at Garter Center, but 1:17:08.098 --> 1:17:08.897 he's gonna play. 1:17:08.697 --> 1:17:10.857 Well, and I think that's gonna be dictated by you know, 1:17:10.897 --> 1:17:12.497 however long it is the next week or two. What 1:17:12.537 --> 1:17:14.857 Michael Jordan shows you and what Cole Strange shows. 1:17:14.657 --> 1:17:16.338 You fair enough. So you had four two you said 1:17:17.458 --> 1:17:19.418 I had. The fourth one was Marco Wilson, but I 1:17:19.418 --> 1:17:21.577 took him off because he got cut. So my last 1:17:21.577 --> 1:17:23.338 one is Drake May for the last two plays of 1:17:23.338 --> 1:17:26.298 the game. Okay, So I had fifty eight minutes of 1:17:26.378 --> 1:17:28.537 awesome for Drake May. I had two minutes of not 1:17:28.617 --> 1:17:32.818 so good from Drake May. The sack before the interception 1:17:32.937 --> 1:17:35.697 might have been worse than the interception from his point 1:17:35.697 --> 1:17:37.697 of view, I agree with that he took a really 1:17:37.737 --> 1:17:41.497 bad sack. He had Kishan Boody on the outside dig route. 1:17:41.497 --> 1:17:44.298 It's like double dig right inside dig outside dig, and 1:17:44.338 --> 1:17:46.418 you're just reading the safety in the middle of the field. 1:17:46.657 --> 1:17:49.017 If the safety jumps the inside, you throw the outside. 1:17:49.018 --> 1:17:51.098 If the safety stays deep, you throw the inside, like 1:17:51.138 --> 1:17:53.458 it's just reading that one player in the middle of 1:17:53.497 --> 1:17:56.097 the field. They buzzed it so they closed it right, 1:17:56.138 --> 1:17:58.577 it was two and then they closed the field and 1:17:59.018 --> 1:18:02.017 he had Kaishan Boody coming out of the break on 1:18:02.058 --> 1:18:05.298 the dig. If he hits that, it's probably like a 1:18:05.338 --> 1:18:07.458 fifteen to twenty yard game and they're right around the 1:18:07.497 --> 1:18:10.657 fifty at that point if he hits that throw. So 1:18:10.697 --> 1:18:13.937 that was a bad sack. And then the interception. I 1:18:14.018 --> 1:18:16.458 heard AVP today he kind of put it more on 1:18:16.497 --> 1:18:19.378 Pop Douglas. It sounded like for not knowing when to 1:18:19.458 --> 1:18:22.258 sit in the void and look for the football. But 1:18:22.378 --> 1:18:24.537 I thought the throw was high anyways, Like he's a 1:18:24.537 --> 1:18:27.657 five foot hit receiver, so in order for Pop Douglas, 1:18:27.657 --> 1:18:30.458 Like maybe if Pop Douglas gets his head around in time, 1:18:30.577 --> 1:18:32.937 he saves an interception by just getting a hand on 1:18:32.978 --> 1:18:36.418 the ball, maybe for him to catch it. Like I 1:18:36.418 --> 1:18:38.378 if it was Hunter Henry, I would say, okay, six 1:18:38.378 --> 1:18:40.777 foot five, like he probably would have caught it five 1:18:40.817 --> 1:18:43.298 foot eight Pop Douglas, Like that's a floor. I'm not 1:18:43.338 --> 1:18:47.178 sure Pop Douglas can climb to. So I put half 1:18:47.218 --> 1:18:49.218 in half. I split the baby just along the lines 1:18:49.218 --> 1:18:51.138 with Drake May that was the right one, right, I 1:18:51.178 --> 1:18:56.418 split the baby split the difference, but anyways, no, not 1:18:56.458 --> 1:18:59.458 split what Yeah, I don't think he used that correctly. 1:18:59.458 --> 1:18:59.977 I think I did. 1:19:00.058 --> 1:19:03.657 But along the lines with Drake Man Alex van Pell 1:19:03.737 --> 1:19:06.178 I thought it was interesting today because I've talked a 1:19:06.178 --> 1:19:08.378 lot about limiting the interceptions, right, what does that look like? 1:19:09.138 --> 1:19:09.298 Is it? 1:19:09.338 --> 1:19:10.218 You find it interesting today? 1:19:10.258 --> 1:19:13.298 Alex van Pelt actually gave us a number, and I 1:19:13.298 --> 1:19:16.537 don't think it's a bad number. Ten if finished the 1:19:16.577 --> 1:19:18.657 year with less than ten interceptions, So he's gonna make 1:19:19.418 --> 1:19:23.937 what is it gonna be? Thirteen starts right, yeah, sixteen, seventeen, No, 1:19:24.018 --> 1:19:27.897 let's eleven starts, eleven, twelve starts, twelve eleven, foll starts 1:19:27.937 --> 1:19:30.937 not gludeing Jets game, so math ten in orce and 1:19:30.978 --> 1:19:31.857 eleven starts. 1:19:32.258 --> 1:19:34.537 He's at six right now? Yeah? 1:19:34.897 --> 1:19:38.178 Yeah, all right, if that's a good number, If he 1:19:38.178 --> 1:19:39.497 can finish there, I'd feel really good. 1:19:39.497 --> 1:19:40.537 I just thought it was interesting. 1:19:40.897 --> 1:19:43.777 I had kind of said, you know, six games left 1:19:44.058 --> 1:19:45.258 six or few I think I said it on the 1:19:45.298 --> 1:19:47.578 show last week, six games left six or fewer interceptions 1:19:47.577 --> 1:19:49.577 for Drake May and all feel really good about where 1:19:49.577 --> 1:19:52.897 he's at turnover wise ten interceptions. That's the number now, 1:19:52.897 --> 1:19:54.577 I thought was interesting. Glex main Pelt gave like a 1:19:54.737 --> 1:19:56.418 specific number for that. 1:19:56.617 --> 1:20:00.218 Yeah, So the strip sack I've also put. I put 1:20:00.298 --> 1:20:03.338 like half of each turnover on on Drake. So the 1:20:03.378 --> 1:20:07.817 strip sack, he's trying to hit kish On Boody as 1:20:07.897 --> 1:20:10.057 like the ISO receiver on the play on the three 1:20:10.098 --> 1:20:13.298 by one, and like he's expecting Kaishan Boody to run 1:20:13.338 --> 1:20:16.058 like a stop route. He probably had nine steps and 1:20:16.098 --> 1:20:17.617 then just kind of break out of it and he's 1:20:17.657 --> 1:20:20.178 just gonna hit him right out of the break, and 1:20:20.218 --> 1:20:24.617 he just hesitates. I think Booty wasn't really winning on 1:20:24.657 --> 1:20:26.537 the route and wasn't giving him a whole lot of 1:20:26.577 --> 1:20:29.537 confidence to make that throw. But that's one of those 1:20:29.577 --> 1:20:32.378 throws on third day that you probably just try to 1:20:32.418 --> 1:20:34.777 throw like a back shoulder where it's like Booty or 1:20:34.777 --> 1:20:36.937 nobody right like and just kind of live with the 1:20:37.298 --> 1:20:40.418 incompletion on that play just to avoid the disaster of 1:20:40.458 --> 1:20:43.258 a turnover. So I put half of that on him, 1:20:43.497 --> 1:20:46.138 even though Booty wasn't really open. You have to just 1:20:46.138 --> 1:20:48.537 throw the ball somewhere right like, you can't just and 1:20:48.617 --> 1:20:50.817 it was a really really fast sack. But you have 1:20:50.897 --> 1:20:53.777 to throw the ball to Booty, just throw it outside 1:20:53.817 --> 1:20:56.777 of his outside shoulder, on the back shoulder, and if 1:20:56.777 --> 1:20:58.617 it goes out, it sails out of bounds. It sails 1:20:58.617 --> 1:21:00.298 out of bounds, right like, and you put the ball 1:21:00.338 --> 1:21:04.257 and you play field position and whatever. So that turnover 1:21:04.378 --> 1:21:06.938 I put half on Drake and then I mentioned the interception. 1:21:07.018 --> 1:21:09.617 But outside of that, there was really only one other 1:21:09.657 --> 1:21:11.657 play that I had like a really big ripe with. 1:21:11.737 --> 1:21:14.937 It was a zero, all out blitz by the Rams 1:21:15.338 --> 1:21:18.058 in the red zone. They just sent the house on 1:21:18.138 --> 1:21:20.537 a third down in the red zone and Drake May 1:21:20.617 --> 1:21:22.218 just kind of panic threw it out of the back 1:21:22.258 --> 1:21:24.777 of the end zone a little bit, and if he 1:21:24.817 --> 1:21:28.017 had just stayed with the play and stayed a little 1:21:28.058 --> 1:21:31.697 bit more poised, he had Pop Douglas on the slant 1:21:31.737 --> 1:21:35.218 for a walking touchdown, right like, Pop just separates the 1:21:35.817 --> 1:21:37.977 out of the bunch and he's he's gonna walk in 1:21:38.018 --> 1:21:40.338 for a touchdown. So that was just one of those 1:21:40.378 --> 1:21:42.657 plays where it was one of the few times where 1:21:42.657 --> 1:21:45.497 he didn't really see the blitz coming and was taken 1:21:45.497 --> 1:21:48.017 by surprise. Might have been the first zero he's ever 1:21:48.058 --> 1:21:50.577 seen in the NFL. Yeah, so that might have been 1:21:50.617 --> 1:21:53.017 part of it. And it goes to again the youth 1:21:53.058 --> 1:21:54.617 and growing, like next time he sees it, how does 1:21:54.657 --> 1:21:57.138 he react. That's the one thing I would say, you know, 1:21:57.218 --> 1:22:02.338 for him outside of the turnovers is red area offense. 1:22:02.497 --> 1:22:05.897 And oftentimes in the red zone everything happens a lot 1:22:06.058 --> 1:22:08.697 faster and the reds have to be a lot quicker 1:22:08.697 --> 1:22:11.497 because the space is so confined, so you have to 1:22:11.577 --> 1:22:15.057 speed up your process even more as a quarterback, So 1:22:15.138 --> 1:22:18.378 it's hard for rookie quarterbacks in the red zone. They 1:22:18.418 --> 1:22:21.058 haven't been as good in the red zone. I like that. 1:22:21.138 --> 1:22:23.258 A lot of the offensive players said that they felt 1:22:23.258 --> 1:22:25.497 like that cost them this game, Like if they get 1:22:25.577 --> 1:22:28.497 touchdowns in a lot of those situations instead of field goals, 1:22:28.497 --> 1:22:31.177 they might win this game on Sunday against the Rams, 1:22:31.418 --> 1:22:33.378 and I agree with them. There was a couple of 1:22:33.418 --> 1:22:35.737 instances where I thought that Drake may should have pulled 1:22:35.737 --> 1:22:39.177 the trigger and just didn't. Whether it was throw away, 1:22:39.777 --> 1:22:43.577 you know, scramble slash check down, really checked down with 1:22:43.897 --> 1:22:47.017 him as a scrambler and those types of situations like 1:22:47.018 --> 1:22:48.777 he's just got to be a little bit faster with 1:22:48.817 --> 1:22:51.058 it in the red zone with his decision making that 1:22:51.138 --> 1:22:53.737 will come. I also think they can help him down 1:22:53.817 --> 1:22:56.777 there by finding more ways to use his legs and 1:22:56.817 --> 1:23:00.897 incorporate his mobility, because that really eliminates a lot of 1:23:00.897 --> 1:23:03.817 that challenge. Like if you cut off half the field 1:23:03.857 --> 1:23:06.058 because you roll him out of the pocket, that's a 1:23:06.138 --> 1:23:08.338 much easier read than asking him to go through an 1:23:08.458 --> 1:23:11.258 entire progression in the red zone. Right, So just roll 1:23:11.298 --> 1:23:14.937 him out, read option, whatever you have to do to 1:23:14.978 --> 1:23:16.817 get the ball in. I think I think that type 1:23:16.857 --> 1:23:19.458 of stuff is coming. Mayo said it earlier this week 1:23:19.657 --> 1:23:22.817 that they didn't want to overload him with information now 1:23:22.817 --> 1:23:24.737 that they feel like he's doing a better job with 1:23:24.777 --> 1:23:27.657 some of the traditional stuff. I do think some of 1:23:27.697 --> 1:23:30.258 the quarterback runs are coming. We talked about this last week. 1:23:30.497 --> 1:23:33.937 It this is gonna be a big test for AVP, Like, 1:23:34.018 --> 1:23:38.097 all right, you're not running the full offense right away. Fine, 1:23:38.458 --> 1:23:39.937 you want to ease the kid in, but you need 1:23:39.978 --> 1:23:43.097 to see it continue because there's AVP the quarterback developer 1:23:43.098 --> 1:23:45.497 and AVP the play caller, and for him to stay here, 1:23:45.537 --> 1:23:47.897 you need to see the offense come a little more 1:23:47.897 --> 1:23:50.138 complex and a little more intricate. And I get and 1:23:50.178 --> 1:23:51.537 I want to do that right away. But all right, 1:23:51.617 --> 1:23:53.097 let's go chat ramping it up. 1:23:53.138 --> 1:23:55.017 All right, we'll get it to you guys. I know 1:23:55.058 --> 1:23:56.577 all of you been waiting on ho for a really 1:23:56.617 --> 1:23:59.857 long time. 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So I just want to say, like, 1:24:58.617 --> 1:25:00.817 I know you guys have been talking about a VP 1:25:01.418 --> 1:25:05.937 and you know, just fans, these ignorant fairweather fans, need 1:25:05.978 --> 1:25:08.258 to get it through their head that this is a 1:25:08.378 --> 1:25:11.577 first year regime, like across the board, minus the owner, 1:25:11.737 --> 1:25:16.697 you know, quarterback, coach, coordinators included. All you really have 1:25:16.737 --> 1:25:18.298 to do is just lo'll get out far Drake has 1:25:18.298 --> 1:25:21.298 progressed since training camp until now, and anyone that's listened 1:25:21.338 --> 1:25:23.737 to you guys that's listened to Patriots dot Com knows 1:25:23.777 --> 1:25:26.138 that it's night and day. So I just wanted to 1:25:26.138 --> 1:25:29.338 throw that out there. First second. This will be the 1:25:29.418 --> 1:25:32.777 last time I promise I look into the future. But 1:25:33.338 --> 1:25:35.817 the more time goes on, if we're there, like if 1:25:35.817 --> 1:25:39.617 he's there when we're picking, I'm the needle is moving 1:25:39.817 --> 1:25:43.097 very far towards just picking Ted McMillan, or if he's 1:25:43.098 --> 1:25:45.937 not there, Abdul Carter and you know what this may 1:25:46.018 --> 1:25:48.817 sound crazy, like let the Darian mo play, maybe get 1:25:49.058 --> 1:25:52.977 Josh him and let him rehab and train him, you know, 1:25:53.098 --> 1:25:55.897 to be the left tackle of the future. That's kind 1:25:55.897 --> 1:25:58.418 of where I am with that, and I have I 1:25:58.458 --> 1:26:00.497 have to ask this question, are you guys doing a 1:26:00.497 --> 1:26:01.338 show next week? 1:26:01.777 --> 1:26:03.697 We are doing a show next week. We're gonna do 1:26:03.737 --> 1:26:10.338 it on Tuesday after afternoon. I think probably Round four 1:26:10.777 --> 1:26:13.657 on Tuesday, so we're gonna just move it up on 1:26:13.697 --> 1:26:15.697 Tuesday and then well, we will also have a show 1:26:15.737 --> 1:26:17.777 during the bye week as well, which is coming up too, 1:26:17.897 --> 1:26:22.017 so we'll have shows both of those weeks. 1:26:22.058 --> 1:26:25.697 Cool, all right. I'll throw some thanksgiving them questions out 1:26:25.697 --> 1:26:29.418 at you guys next week. But I really want to 1:26:29.418 --> 1:26:33.097 win this game, Evan and Alex. I want you guys 1:26:33.098 --> 1:26:36.657 to tell me what is the biggest variable for us 1:26:36.697 --> 1:26:40.057 to win this game? Because I fregain hate the Dolphins. 1:26:40.098 --> 1:26:43.378 I've always hatted the Dolphins since the Shoe La Marino days. 1:26:44.018 --> 1:26:48.857 They are my Yankees of the NFL. And I know 1:26:48.897 --> 1:26:51.298 the Jets screw up every year and that's great because 1:26:51.378 --> 1:26:55.017 I can't stand them either. But like I just I 1:26:55.058 --> 1:26:56.897 want to spin tell us how we do it. I'll 1:26:56.937 --> 1:26:57.737 take it off here, guys. 1:26:57.857 --> 1:27:00.098 Thanks bag, thanks for the call, and yeah, thanks for 1:27:00.458 --> 1:27:02.737 prompting me to tell you guys that the next next 1:27:02.777 --> 1:27:05.697 Tuesday at four is when our show is gonna be all. 1:27:05.737 --> 1:27:08.137 We'll both tweet and everything and make sure you guys 1:27:08.178 --> 1:27:10.218 are are as weare as you can be. But that's 1:27:10.258 --> 1:27:12.817 a good shout. In terms of this game against Miami, 1:27:12.857 --> 1:27:16.218 I also appreciate a little segue into the Dolphins here 1:27:16.258 --> 1:27:19.258 a little bit. I'll just be short because I know 1:27:19.298 --> 1:27:21.418 we have people that have been on hold, and then 1:27:21.458 --> 1:27:23.177 we'll get into it a little bit more in a minute. 1:27:23.497 --> 1:27:25.777 But the biggest thing to me is going back to 1:27:25.978 --> 1:27:29.577 what we were talking about with the base defense versus Nickel 1:27:29.617 --> 1:27:32.218 and all that kind of stuf. If I'm the Patriots, 1:27:32.418 --> 1:27:35.378 I am begging the Dolphins to run the ball in 1:27:35.418 --> 1:27:37.617 this game. Like run it, run it, run it, like 1:27:37.697 --> 1:27:40.697 go ahead, Like go ahead and run the ball. Try 1:27:40.897 --> 1:27:44.258 try to possess it yourself. Try to elongate there, short 1:27:44.298 --> 1:27:47.298 and excuse me this game and try to get this 1:27:47.378 --> 1:27:49.937 game in the twenties. Like if the Patriots are in 1:27:50.058 --> 1:27:52.497 the twenties against the Dolphins, then I think they're gonna 1:27:52.497 --> 1:27:54.497 have a puncher's chance, just like they did last week 1:27:54.537 --> 1:27:57.418 against the Rams. It's when it gets you know, into 1:27:57.458 --> 1:27:59.857 the thirties because Tyreek Hill is hit in seventy five 1:27:59.937 --> 1:28:02.897 yard bombs from Tua. Like, that's when I get worried 1:28:02.897 --> 1:28:04.937 about this game. I don't they don't have the talent 1:28:05.018 --> 1:28:07.897 yet on offense to win a track meet against the Dolphins. 1:28:07.937 --> 1:28:09.577 So you have to make it an ugly game. Force 1:28:09.617 --> 1:28:11.777 the Dolphins be disciplined, force them to go on long 1:28:11.897 --> 1:28:14.178 drives and win the turnover battle, something they haven't been 1:28:14.178 --> 1:28:15.777 able to do. I'll say on his draft take two 1:28:15.817 --> 1:28:20.537 real quick, yep, the whole Josh Simmons thinks. Patriots fans 1:28:20.537 --> 1:28:22.458 are starting to learn about Josh Simmons and really sink 1:28:22.497 --> 1:28:26.097 their teeth in. So, Josh Simmons was left tackle Ohio State. Yeah, 1:28:26.458 --> 1:28:28.617 was having a really good year, trending towards being, you know, 1:28:28.617 --> 1:28:31.897 a top fifteen pick of left tackle, and tore his 1:28:31.978 --> 1:28:33.697 knee up. I don't remember exactly what the injury was 1:28:33.777 --> 1:28:35.258 or if that's even out there, but he's done for 1:28:35.298 --> 1:28:38.138 the season. So now Patriots fans look at that and say, 1:28:38.138 --> 1:28:41.418 there's your starting caliber left tackle you can get later. Yeah, 1:28:41.537 --> 1:28:42.738 it's a half measure. 1:28:42.857 --> 1:28:44.777 And maybe Josh Simmons ends up being good, but it's 1:28:44.777 --> 1:28:46.737 a half measure. You don't know that he's gonna be 1:28:46.777 --> 1:28:49.977 available next year. They can't do They've been doing half 1:28:50.018 --> 1:28:53.497 measures at left tackle for like seven or eight years now. 1:28:53.737 --> 1:28:56.137 They can't keep doing it. And the other thing about 1:28:56.178 --> 1:28:58.817 you know, letting Vederian Low continue to play again. He's 1:28:58.857 --> 1:29:01.857 been better than expected, but he hasn't been great. He's 1:29:01.857 --> 1:29:04.458 also been hurt a lot. And you know, we missed 1:29:04.458 --> 1:29:07.218 practice yesterday. We'll see what happened, what it looks like 1:29:07.218 --> 1:29:10.697 on the injury report today. He's not exactly a big 1:29:11.418 --> 1:29:15.777 body at tackle, and I think there's legitimate durability questions 1:29:15.777 --> 1:29:17.697 with him. So if you're playing to go into the 1:29:17.737 --> 1:29:21.338 season is a fringe level starter who can't stay healthy 1:29:21.737 --> 1:29:23.697 and a guy who maybe has upside but won't be 1:29:23.737 --> 1:29:25.857 ready to go right away because he's coming off torn acl. 1:29:26.018 --> 1:29:27.017 You didn't fix the position. 1:29:27.378 --> 1:29:29.737 Maybe you think you did, and if you know, you're 1:29:29.737 --> 1:29:32.018 talking yourself into that being a fix in order to 1:29:32.098 --> 1:29:32.418 draft a. 1:29:32.378 --> 1:29:35.857 Guy like Teed McMillan. You didn't fix it. Like you didn't. 1:29:35.897 --> 1:29:37.777 You're just trying to find a way to draft tech McMillan. 1:29:38.058 --> 1:29:39.897 If that's what you want to do, it to me, 1:29:39.937 --> 1:29:43.777 it's still getting aggressive taking Tech McMillan towards the top, 1:29:44.218 --> 1:29:46.097 maybe you trade down a pick or two if you can, 1:29:46.178 --> 1:29:48.497 if some of these quarterbacks show up, and then moving 1:29:48.537 --> 1:29:49.257 up and taking. 1:29:49.018 --> 1:29:53.017 A guy like Arion to Ursere I the We're gonna 1:29:53.018 --> 1:29:56.378 hear a lot, a lot a lot about Josh Simmons 1:29:56.418 --> 1:29:58.178 and Evan. You might even like him. It might be good. 1:29:58.298 --> 1:30:01.697 Yeah, taking a guy five months removed from a torn 1:30:01.737 --> 1:30:05.737 ACL if he enters the draft at all, and I 1:30:05.737 --> 1:30:07.258 don't know if he's a junior senior, so he may 1:30:07.298 --> 1:30:08.977 not have that option. But taking a guy coming off 1:30:08.978 --> 1:30:11.138 of torn acl if he enters the draft at all, 1:30:11.857 --> 1:30:13.857 that's not solving the left tackle problem. I'm not saying 1:30:13.897 --> 1:30:15.977 they won't do it, but to me, that is not 1:30:16.018 --> 1:30:18.937 addressing the left tackle position. It's kicking the can down 1:30:18.937 --> 1:30:19.857 the road again. 1:30:20.138 --> 1:30:22.777 Yeah. So we have some good questions about the draft 1:30:22.777 --> 1:30:24.937 that we can get to here too in a second. 1:30:25.018 --> 1:30:27.258 But I want to Simmons a senior so he can't 1:30:27.258 --> 1:30:29.617 go back to school. But point stance, Yeah, I'm gonna 1:30:29.657 --> 1:30:33.697 take Christian in La here. What's up, Christian? Hey you guys, 1:30:33.697 --> 1:30:35.418 how you doing today? 1:30:36.657 --> 1:30:38.577 Yeah? No words, Nord. I love to talk to you guys. 1:30:38.577 --> 1:30:40.857 I love the X and os as opposed to what 1:30:40.897 --> 1:30:42.737 we do more on what you guys do, more on 1:30:42.857 --> 1:30:46.738 uh Patriots and Filter. So this always gives us callers 1:30:46.737 --> 1:30:49.937 a chance to talk some actual football with the guys. 1:30:49.978 --> 1:30:53.577 So with that, with that said, I kind of wanted 1:30:53.617 --> 1:30:57.857 to in some way echo what what Patty said in 1:30:57.978 --> 1:31:01.657 terms of, hey, this is a new regime. Everyone's basically new, 1:31:01.697 --> 1:31:05.418 and you could tell that they're just experimenting. I mean, 1:31:05.418 --> 1:31:09.138 you have Alex Vampel's who gets this quarterback with superpowers, 1:31:09.298 --> 1:31:13.858 and he's sort of been increasingly nerving Drake Made's superpowers 1:31:13.857 --> 1:31:16.017 by having him throw shorter and shorter, sort of more 1:31:16.018 --> 1:31:19.417 controlled stuff, and that just reached to me like Vampel's 1:31:19.497 --> 1:31:22.458 is unsure of, you know, the receivers that he's got, 1:31:22.458 --> 1:31:25.218 all the schemes that he's got set up for Drake 1:31:25.298 --> 1:31:29.937 to throw down the field. So I was definitely you 1:31:29.937 --> 1:31:33.897 guys just for that or if it's something to truly 1:31:33.978 --> 1:31:36.617 jumped the Shark, you guys left out one crucial component, 1:31:37.258 --> 1:31:40.737 and that is the appearance of Ted McGinley. You remember 1:31:41.018 --> 1:31:44.017 whenever Ted McGinley showed up, that's the show that jumped 1:31:44.058 --> 1:31:48.258 the Shark from Happy Days to married with children in 1:31:48.338 --> 1:31:51.338 the show that he showed up on. So back to 1:31:51.338 --> 1:31:53.178 the Drake maysup. What do you guys think about that 1:31:53.338 --> 1:31:55.937 Van help butt of being just a little bit getty 1:31:56.218 --> 1:31:57.458 sort of nurfing Drake May. 1:31:58.058 --> 1:32:00.458 Yeah, thanks for the call, Christian. And this is something 1:32:00.458 --> 1:32:04.497 that I actually wrote about in after further review, I 1:32:04.497 --> 1:32:07.138 guess maybe I'm just like a glass half full kind 1:32:07.178 --> 1:32:09.817 of guy. But the way that I looked at the 1:32:09.897 --> 1:32:12.577 game plan and the fact that Drake May isn't throwing 1:32:12.577 --> 1:32:14.697 the ball down the field quite as much as maybe 1:32:14.737 --> 1:32:18.258 his skill set would suggest, I actually think it's really 1:32:18.298 --> 1:32:21.657 smart by the coaching staff because they don't have the 1:32:22.298 --> 1:32:25.218 horses offensively to play that kind of football, Like, they 1:32:25.218 --> 1:32:27.697 don't have ball winners on the outside, they don't have 1:32:27.777 --> 1:32:30.217 a great offensive line to scheme up the deep shots. 1:32:30.577 --> 1:32:33.057 So what are they doing. They're having Drake May play 1:32:33.098 --> 1:32:36.458 on schedule Like they're not going backwards, they're going forwards. 1:32:36.617 --> 1:32:39.497 He's hitting the short and intermediate stuff. What I've been 1:32:39.537 --> 1:32:41.937 really impressed about is how good he's doing at it 1:32:42.058 --> 1:32:44.857 right And now what my feeling is is that he's 1:32:44.897 --> 1:32:48.737 really developed the short game. Like to use a golf analogy, 1:32:48.817 --> 1:32:54.338 like he's really developed his ability to put and now 1:32:54.458 --> 1:32:57.338 just wait a second until they have somebody on the 1:32:57.338 --> 1:32:59.298 outside that can win down the field. Now you're starting 1:32:59.298 --> 1:33:01.977 to see the driver too, right, Like and now here's 1:33:01.978 --> 1:33:04.178 a complete guy. Like now you can hit fairways and 1:33:04.218 --> 1:33:06.017 you can hit your putts, and all of a sudden, 1:33:06.018 --> 1:33:08.497 you've got this complete player. That, to me, is what 1:33:08.537 --> 1:33:10.857 the goal is here. This is what we're good at 1:33:10.937 --> 1:33:14.177 right now, is the short and intermediate passing game. Because 1:33:14.218 --> 1:33:16.937 of who's around him, we're gonna nurture this part of 1:33:16.978 --> 1:33:19.458 his game or develop this part of his game. And 1:33:19.497 --> 1:33:21.338 then once we get it t Higgins, once we get 1:33:21.338 --> 1:33:23.777 at Ted McMillan, once we get a Travis Hunter, once 1:33:23.777 --> 1:33:26.177 we get a left tackle, then we can start pushing 1:33:26.218 --> 1:33:28.258 the ball down the field a little bit more because 1:33:28.258 --> 1:33:30.897 we already know he's good at that stuff. So I 1:33:30.897 --> 1:33:33.378 don't look at it as like they're trying to force 1:33:33.458 --> 1:33:36.098 Drake to play out of character or out of you know, 1:33:36.418 --> 1:33:39.057 out of his nature. I actually think that they're trying 1:33:39.058 --> 1:33:40.977 to teach him how to play quarterback and how to 1:33:41.018 --> 1:33:44.017 win in this league. Like some weeks are it's gonna take. 1:33:44.378 --> 1:33:46.338 You're gonna have to win by death by a thousand 1:33:46.338 --> 1:33:48.458 paper cuts. Other weeks, you're gonna want to throw the 1:33:48.458 --> 1:33:51.298 ball down the field. It's all just about matchups, and 1:33:51.338 --> 1:33:53.577 that was something that you know, Brady was so good at. 1:33:53.857 --> 1:33:57.097 Mahomes has become excellent at it as well. Where it's 1:33:57.098 --> 1:33:59.218 not every week is gonna be four hundred yards for 1:33:59.258 --> 1:34:01.617 Patty Mahomes, right, Like some weeks, he's gonna have to 1:34:01.617 --> 1:34:04.258 play a different kind of game for them to win. 1:34:04.338 --> 1:34:06.178 And I think that's what they're trying to get through 1:34:06.218 --> 1:34:07.097 to Drake right now. 1:34:07.258 --> 1:34:09.497 Yeah, we talked about this with the with the Bears game, right, 1:34:09.537 --> 1:34:12.458 being able to just point coard it. Yeah, I don't 1:34:12.458 --> 1:34:14.298 know that they're like nerving the things he does best. 1:34:14.338 --> 1:34:15.977 I just think that's been the matchups. I'm sure we'll 1:34:15.978 --> 1:34:17.977 see him get back to some of the more explosive stuff. 1:34:18.497 --> 1:34:22.098 Yeah, I agree. All right, I Riley is in California? 1:34:22.178 --> 1:34:29.418 What's up? Riley? Riley? He loop going once? 1:34:29.617 --> 1:34:29.857 Hello? 1:34:30.098 --> 1:34:32.218 Hey? Is it gone? Hey? 1:34:32.298 --> 1:34:32.458 Yeah? 1:34:32.458 --> 1:34:35.017 I'm sorry about that. I was on mute. 1:34:35.897 --> 1:34:38.177 So the things here. 1:34:38.937 --> 1:34:41.418 First of all, I just want to say, I think 1:34:41.458 --> 1:34:44.857 it's pretty funny that every single show I watch, you're 1:34:44.897 --> 1:34:47.618 always apologizing to us listeners. 1:34:47.657 --> 1:34:49.218 For keeping us on hold. 1:34:49.138 --> 1:35:02.697 Evan, it's it's what we do. Still there, Hello, I 1:35:02.697 --> 1:35:04.337 think he might have needed himself again. 1:35:04.338 --> 1:35:07.497 That's been a pretty hot topic of dis. 1:35:09.617 --> 1:35:10.257 Or just still. 1:35:11.577 --> 1:35:18.258 Yesterday cat Sports or something like that, and uh mentioned 1:35:18.458 --> 1:35:22.577 how Ron Mayo is very very. 1:35:22.697 --> 1:35:33.777 Contradictory whatever he discusses von Baker in the sense that 1:35:34.817 --> 1:35:37.057 he kind of goes back and forth on his words. 1:35:37.138 --> 1:35:39.298 Like a few weeks ago, he was saying that Davon 1:35:39.418 --> 1:35:43.097 Baker is the explosive player with the ball in his hands, 1:35:43.138 --> 1:35:44.217 and they've. 1:35:44.058 --> 1:35:46.338 Got to find him ways to get the ball. 1:35:46.937 --> 1:35:48.418 And so we've obviously. 1:35:47.978 --> 1:35:50.337 Seen him implement it on you know, kick. 1:35:50.178 --> 1:35:52.897 Returns, and then last week he had that. 1:35:53.138 --> 1:35:56.737 Great forty six yard return and then obviously muffed the 1:35:56.817 --> 1:36:00.338 second hunt and tried to turtle of the Rams defender 1:36:00.378 --> 1:36:04.298 and only got sixteen yards and then was obviously pulled 1:36:04.298 --> 1:36:07.017 out of the game and benched. And then Girod Mayo 1:36:08.018 --> 1:36:11.817 following the game says, you know, he just he wasn't 1:36:11.857 --> 1:36:13.537 doing he wasn't doing it right. 1:36:15.537 --> 1:36:18.697 We just need him to do things more right. 1:36:18.897 --> 1:36:21.777 So I guess where I'm going with that is, you 1:36:21.777 --> 1:36:25.737 guys think it's actually a Keavon Baker issue, like he's 1:36:25.777 --> 1:36:28.378 just not you know, doing exit and O was right, 1:36:28.497 --> 1:36:32.218 like not running the proper route, not knowing his assignments, 1:36:32.258 --> 1:36:32.977 things like that. 1:36:33.697 --> 1:36:35.537 Or do you think that it's. 1:36:35.258 --> 1:36:42.057 Just a Girod Mayo issue with Javon Baker derister then 1:36:42.737 --> 1:36:46.777 at the beginning when we drafted him, Mayo didn't really 1:36:46.817 --> 1:36:50.058 seem too too fond of him and had some you know, 1:36:50.218 --> 1:36:55.418 comments early on about him. So yeah, that's that's my question. 1:36:55.497 --> 1:36:55.777 Guys. 1:36:56.218 --> 1:36:58.737 Thanks for the call, Riley appreciated. Look, I think the 1:36:58.777 --> 1:37:01.458 biggest thing for this coaching staff right now, and we've 1:37:01.497 --> 1:37:04.897 asked them all three guys, you know, both coordinators and 1:37:04.897 --> 1:37:08.977 and Girodd about this, Oh, this season is just weighing 1:37:09.058 --> 1:37:11.378 the pros and cons of the young guys playing. Right, 1:37:11.537 --> 1:37:13.898 You're when you play young guys, there's gonna be mistakes, 1:37:14.178 --> 1:37:16.537 but you're also trying to develop those players. And as 1:37:16.537 --> 1:37:19.817 a rebuilding team, you want to develop guys like Javanne Baker, 1:37:19.937 --> 1:37:23.218 like Jalen Polk, like jaheiem Bell, like Drake may and 1:37:23.258 --> 1:37:25.418 you want to get them out there and there's gonna 1:37:25.458 --> 1:37:28.378 be mistakes, there's gonna be turnovers, there's gonna be bad routes, 1:37:28.418 --> 1:37:31.497 there's gonna be mishandlings of football's on kick offs, all 1:37:31.537 --> 1:37:35.097 that kind of stuff. So it's a very fine line 1:37:35.178 --> 1:37:41.217 to walk between letting the kids play, but also those 1:37:41.298 --> 1:37:45.657 mistakes lose you football games, right, So it's it's definitely difficult. 1:37:45.697 --> 1:37:49.017 It's hard to sort of say which way to go 1:37:49.098 --> 1:37:51.138 with that. I hear both sides of it. I hear 1:37:51.178 --> 1:37:52.937 the size of say you're three and eight and you 1:37:52.937 --> 1:37:54.657 should just live with the kids and let it go. 1:37:55.218 --> 1:37:58.817 And my guess is that down let's say the last 1:37:58.897 --> 1:38:01.617 month of the season, last couple games of the season 1:38:02.098 --> 1:38:05.177 and January, I do think that you'll see the kids 1:38:05.218 --> 1:38:07.218 play a lot like I think they will sort of 1:38:07.697 --> 1:38:12.258 let that happen. But right now, as crazy as it 1:38:12.697 --> 1:38:16.097 as it may be on the outside looking in, there's 1:38:16.138 --> 1:38:18.817 not really a path. But you have to coach like 1:38:18.857 --> 1:38:22.697 there's a path, right and if they're actively hurting the team, 1:38:23.418 --> 1:38:26.177 then you have to pull those players off the field. Yeah, 1:38:26.697 --> 1:38:29.177 And we've talked about what's best for Drake may versus 1:38:29.178 --> 1:38:32.177 what's best for some of the other rooks and doing 1:38:32.178 --> 1:38:32.458 all that. 1:38:32.497 --> 1:38:35.458 I just think with Baker could he's not picking it up. Yeah, 1:38:35.458 --> 1:38:37.378 whatever it is, he's not picking up. They talked about 1:38:37.418 --> 1:38:40.777 maybe not liking what he was doing on the kickoff return, so. 1:38:41.737 --> 1:38:44.218 You got to put the guy players. It helps them 1:38:44.298 --> 1:38:45.177 to develop to play. 1:38:45.218 --> 1:38:48.338 But if the guy doesn't know what he's doing, I'm 1:38:48.378 --> 1:38:50.218 not going to do much for his development, and then 1:38:50.258 --> 1:38:51.378 you're just hurting everybody else. 1:38:51.418 --> 1:38:54.817 So I don't I don't love him on kickoffs. I 1:38:55.258 --> 1:38:58.777 don't really see him as maybe I'm just have which 1:38:58.817 --> 1:39:02.138 I know is bad like logic to some extent. It 1:39:02.298 --> 1:39:04.418 just maybe it's just a forty time that's in my head. 1:39:04.897 --> 1:39:07.697 But I think he's an explosive mover, but I don't 1:39:07.737 --> 1:39:11.458 think that he's an explosive, straight line speed kind of guy, 1:39:11.537 --> 1:39:13.897 if that makes sense. Like I think he's twitchy, but 1:39:13.978 --> 1:39:16.218 I don't think that he is like a burner that's 1:39:16.218 --> 1:39:19.017 gonna run by people. The guy that I don't understand 1:39:19.098 --> 1:39:22.257 why doesn't they don't try him on kickoffs is Isaiah Boulden, 1:39:22.418 --> 1:39:24.537 Like I don't understand. I'm still waiting for that. 1:39:24.537 --> 1:39:26.017 Well, my my take at the beginning of the year 1:39:26.058 --> 1:39:27.897 was Kai Shan Boudi being the kick returner that he 1:39:27.978 --> 1:39:29.418 became the number one receiver. 1:39:29.298 --> 1:39:31.537 Right like I get Marcus Zones is also a name 1:39:31.577 --> 1:39:35.058 that people have thrown around, but you know Springer's explanation 1:39:35.138 --> 1:39:37.577 of like he's a smaller guy and they're trying to 1:39:37.657 --> 1:39:41.178 keep him healthy. Like if you put him on kickoffs, punts, defense, 1:39:41.258 --> 1:39:44.977 now offense, like it's spreading Marcus Jones really thin. I 1:39:45.018 --> 1:39:48.777 still think if you were in a situation where you 1:39:48.777 --> 1:39:52.258 could return a kickoff that maybe wins a game, that 1:39:52.378 --> 1:39:55.577 maybe they would put Marcus Jones back there to have that. 1:39:55.697 --> 1:39:58.218 You know, the Dolphins do that with Tyreek Hill all 1:39:58.258 --> 1:40:01.058 the time, right like, if this is a game winning situation, 1:40:01.258 --> 1:40:03.937 then we're gonna we'll put him back there. So I 1:40:03.937 --> 1:40:06.137 could see that with Marcus Jones, But I do wonder 1:40:06.258 --> 1:40:08.017 if it was active on game day. He's playing on 1:40:08.058 --> 1:40:11.017 special teams, Like why, I don't know why Isaiah Bolden 1:40:11.058 --> 1:40:13.177 doesn't get a chance. He was great at it in college. 1:40:13.258 --> 1:40:15.458 So that's the one guy I scratched my head on 1:40:15.577 --> 1:40:20.497 kickoffs with Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall? 1:40:20.537 --> 1:40:22.458 Call us back Kendall and we'll get you on the air. 1:40:22.817 --> 1:40:24.657 A couple of emails. Want to go through the emails? 1:40:24.857 --> 1:40:27.937 Do the do rapid fire through the emails? Probably not 1:40:27.978 --> 1:40:30.098 gonna work. Let's see what the questions are. Sometimes you 1:40:30.098 --> 1:40:33.458 gotta get a little bit of nuanced okay. So here 1:40:33.697 --> 1:40:38.857 is an email from Floyd in Michigan. He says, good afternoon, 1:40:38.857 --> 1:40:41.338 Evan and Alex. A number of recent mock drafts have 1:40:41.418 --> 1:40:44.857 the Patriots selecting ot Will Campbell at pick number six, 1:40:45.458 --> 1:40:50.777 which is frustrating, says Kendall, because he thinks, and he 1:40:50.857 --> 1:40:54.577 has read that Will Campbell is a guard, and he 1:40:54.697 --> 1:40:57.737 is not drafting a guard with the sixth overall picks. 1:40:57.817 --> 1:41:00.817 So we are gonna hear about this for the next 1:41:01.098 --> 1:41:02.977 six to eight months. But how long is it till 1:41:02.978 --> 1:41:10.657 the draft? Six months April four? It's crazy, it's six months, 1:41:10.978 --> 1:41:14.577 let's call it six. We're gonna hear about this until 1:41:14.577 --> 1:41:18.378 February when he measures his arms at the combine that 1:41:18.418 --> 1:41:21.178 Will Campbell is a guard. I am not ready to 1:41:21.218 --> 1:41:23.737 say that Will Campbell's guard until I see the measurement 1:41:23.777 --> 1:41:26.458 of his arms right like that. That's really where I'm at. 1:41:26.817 --> 1:41:31.097 He plays, he plays perfectly fine at tackle. He's got feet, 1:41:31.218 --> 1:41:35.378 he's got a tackle movement ability. If his arms are 1:41:35.418 --> 1:41:38.137 too short, then we'll have that conversation when we have it, 1:41:38.178 --> 1:41:41.937 But for right now, I'm operating under the impression that 1:41:42.058 --> 1:41:45.017 he is still a tackle. But if he's at thirty 1:41:45.058 --> 1:41:46.657 two inches, then he's going to be a guard. 1:41:46.897 --> 1:41:49.098 Or is he you know, like Rashaun Slater, is he 1:41:49.138 --> 1:41:50.338 the guy that resets the numbers? 1:41:50.378 --> 1:41:51.617 He just that good? Yep? 1:41:51.897 --> 1:41:52.017 Uh? 1:41:52.617 --> 1:41:54.857 Do you take that chance? And then there's also Kevin Banks. 1:41:54.978 --> 1:41:57.497 Don't look, I'm the mock draft guy, right, I love 1:41:57.537 --> 1:41:58.537 doing all these mock drafts. 1:41:58.577 --> 1:41:59.097 That's true. 1:41:59.737 --> 1:42:01.577 There's a reason I don't do Monck drafts till the 1:42:01.617 --> 1:42:04.338 season is over. The season being excuse me, college and 1:42:04.537 --> 1:42:08.777 NFL still ball up to play, So I wouldn't read 1:42:08.817 --> 1:42:10.697 too much into these Monck drafts at this point one 1:42:10.697 --> 1:42:13.017 way or the other. To me, if you see Will Campbell, 1:42:13.018 --> 1:42:15.017 that person basically tells you they think the Patriots are 1:42:15.058 --> 1:42:17.897 taking a tackle. Yeah, it's one hundred and fifty four days, 1:42:17.978 --> 1:42:21.177 four hours, eleven minutes, forty five seconds until the draft. 1:42:21.897 --> 1:42:23.897 Nice. I found a website that counts it down. Yeah, 1:42:23.897 --> 1:42:26.777 it's mighty my new homepage. Well it's it's it's like, 1:42:27.298 --> 1:42:30.657 what's the website. It's draftcountdown dot com. Oh really, there's 1:42:30.697 --> 1:42:32.338 like a website that I use all the time. It's 1:42:32.338 --> 1:42:33.618 like a day to date calcul. 1:42:33.458 --> 1:42:36.417 No, this is specifically for the draft, like this website 1:42:36.458 --> 1:42:37.697 is draft countdown dot com. 1:42:37.697 --> 1:42:39.657 The fact that you didn't know this already is kind 1:42:39.697 --> 1:42:42.817 of astonishing. I'm surprised by that. All Right, we have 1:42:42.897 --> 1:42:45.617 Kendall back. Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall? 1:42:46.777 --> 1:42:50.857 Hey, sorry about that? How you doing good? I got 1:42:50.937 --> 1:42:53.418 two questions, one for you, Evan and one for you Alex. 1:42:54.018 --> 1:42:56.458 The first one, Evan, what are you seeing from this 1:42:56.577 --> 1:42:59.298 Dolphins defense? And how how do you what is the 1:42:59.298 --> 1:43:02.218 best way for the Patriots to attack on Sunday? And 1:43:02.577 --> 1:43:05.337 but Alex, I want to ask uh if we address 1:43:05.338 --> 1:43:07.657 while Steven Offski. So let's just say we go out 1:43:07.697 --> 1:43:10.218 to sign t Higgins and then in the in the 1:43:10.218 --> 1:43:12.617 first round, could you see us still taking a Tampman 1:43:12.697 --> 1:43:15.298 Millon or did you see us probably getting another guy 1:43:15.338 --> 1:43:17.098 probably let on a draft and who would be the 1:43:17.098 --> 1:43:18.418 odd man out the receiver room? 1:43:18.617 --> 1:43:21.177 Appreciate it, Thanks Kendall, Thanks for the call as always. 1:43:21.178 --> 1:43:23.977 So starting with the Dolphins, Uh, I think the biggest 1:43:23.978 --> 1:43:26.657 thing to me with this Dolphins defense is, uh, they 1:43:26.697 --> 1:43:28.897 have given up quite a few yards in the same 1:43:28.937 --> 1:43:31.418 type of game plans that the Patriot it's used last week, 1:43:31.497 --> 1:43:34.977 Like those short and intermediate yards are there. They are 1:43:35.338 --> 1:43:39.497 a pretty exotic in terms of how they scheme up pressure. 1:43:39.497 --> 1:43:42.777 Like it's pretty similar. We're getting to the point now 1:43:43.178 --> 1:43:45.617 and this is probably a longer conversation for a different time, 1:43:45.697 --> 1:43:48.017 but we're getting to the point now where like this, 1:43:48.178 --> 1:43:53.378 like Mike McDonald vic Fangio fused together defense is like 1:43:53.458 --> 1:43:56.897 the Kyle is like the Shanahan Tree right offense where 1:43:56.897 --> 1:43:59.497 it's like half the league is running the same defense. 1:43:59.937 --> 1:44:03.937 So the defense that the Dolphins are running under Anthony Weaver, 1:44:04.018 --> 1:44:06.817 who was with Baltimore for the last three seasons, is 1:44:06.897 --> 1:44:09.258 really similar to the defense that they played against the 1:44:09.338 --> 1:44:13.617 Rams where they're going on third down, they're exotics, like 1:44:13.657 --> 1:44:16.657 they're gonna bring pressure from different places and it's gonna 1:44:16.657 --> 1:44:18.977 be up to the quarterback to sort it out post nap. 1:44:19.577 --> 1:44:22.537 So I look at this game plan again and say, 1:44:22.697 --> 1:44:26.137 just continue to do what you do. Because Gardner Minshew 1:44:26.497 --> 1:44:29.218 averaged three point seven air yards per attempt to go 1:44:29.258 --> 1:44:31.138 back to a dot and we had the same two 1:44:31.218 --> 1:44:33.537 hundred and eighty two yards and two touchdowns as Drake 1:44:33.617 --> 1:44:36.937 made did right. Really almost the exact same stat line 1:44:37.258 --> 1:44:40.458 for Gardner, Minshew so brought Bowers had a huge game. 1:44:41.218 --> 1:44:43.897 Patriots have a couple of capable tight ends. So I 1:44:43.937 --> 1:44:47.418 expect the Patriots to try to, you know, do the 1:44:47.418 --> 1:44:50.617 same exact thing, and hopefully they like they did last week, 1:44:50.857 --> 1:44:53.937 you break off some of those short and intermediate routes 1:44:53.978 --> 1:44:56.497 for longer plays on explosives. Yeah. 1:44:56.617 --> 1:45:00.137 Draft draft, I would say if they added veteran receiver, 1:45:01.937 --> 1:45:03.617 even if they added t Higgins, right, if they want 1:45:03.617 --> 1:45:06.217 to go back to back with receivers, him and McMillan 1:45:06.258 --> 1:45:07.178 are pretty redundant. 1:45:07.258 --> 1:45:09.617 Yeah. At that point, we're probably talking more about Luther 1:45:09.697 --> 1:45:12.537 Burden or even Nick me Buka. Yeah, who's coming on? 1:45:12.737 --> 1:45:14.937 I feel like, yeah, yeah, he's starting to play better. Yeah. 1:45:15.378 --> 1:45:18.537 He just set the like Ohio State all time receiving 1:45:18.617 --> 1:45:21.097 yards or receptions record, which when you think about the 1:45:21.617 --> 1:45:24.777 is that career yeah, yeah, which is now a lot 1:45:24.777 --> 1:45:26.057 of those guys are only there for three years. 1:45:26.138 --> 1:45:28.657 Ye who has been there or like still half a century. 1:45:29.018 --> 1:45:32.097 Yeah, I would be really surprised if they did that, 1:45:33.338 --> 1:45:35.098 even if they you know, went out and got a 1:45:35.138 --> 1:45:39.577 different receiver and I don't Metcalf or not Metcalf Higgins 1:45:39.617 --> 1:45:42.017 and McMillan don't make sense together. Like those you guys 1:45:42.058 --> 1:45:46.817 played the exact same position, same role. That would be 1:45:46.857 --> 1:45:49.777 a bad pick in that specific Not that McMillan is 1:45:49.777 --> 1:45:52.737 a bad pick, but in the specific circumstance. If they 1:45:52.777 --> 1:45:55.017 were to do something like that, who's the odd man out? 1:45:55.018 --> 1:45:57.777 So you'd have Higgins, you'd have the draft pick, you'd 1:45:57.817 --> 1:46:00.017 have a booty still being a part of it. Douglas 1:46:00.098 --> 1:46:01.098 is still going to be a part of it. I 1:46:01.298 --> 1:46:04.178 would keep Kendrick Bourne in, Jalen Polk the odd man out, 1:46:04.178 --> 1:46:06.617 it's probably Javon Baker unless they keep seven again. But 1:46:07.497 --> 1:46:12.257 if they make their premium veteran offseason addition or a receiver, 1:46:12.338 --> 1:46:15.977 which I'm on the record saying they should do, No, 1:46:16.058 --> 1:46:17.897 I don't think a first round receiver is worth it. 1:46:17.937 --> 1:46:19.577 I don't think a first round receiver is a smart 1:46:19.577 --> 1:46:20.258 pick at that. 1:46:20.298 --> 1:46:22.817 Don't think it's necessary, Like it's not necessary. No, they 1:46:22.817 --> 1:46:24.378 have depth at that point. 1:46:24.577 --> 1:46:26.697 If if you don't want to take a tackle, if 1:46:26.697 --> 1:46:29.537 you're worried about the tackles, now we start talking about 1:46:29.697 --> 1:46:31.137 I don't think the first overall picks. 1:46:31.138 --> 1:46:33.138 So Travis Hunter's probably off the table. He's gonna be 1:46:33.138 --> 1:46:34.218 a Jaguar. I think. 1:46:34.258 --> 1:46:38.177 Now you're talking about will Johnson. Now you're talking about 1:46:38.418 --> 1:46:41.657 Michael Williams. Now you're talking about James Pearce, Abdul Carter, 1:46:41.737 --> 1:46:46.378 who got asked about earlier. If it's not a tackle, honestly, 1:46:46.418 --> 1:46:48.937 and at the point where you're probably looking at a 1:46:48.937 --> 1:46:49.697 defensive player. 1:46:49.897 --> 1:46:52.617 Yeah, So this is a question from David in Madrid, 1:46:52.657 --> 1:46:55.178 who emails into the show all the time. And this 1:46:55.258 --> 1:46:57.178 is something along those same lines that you were just 1:46:57.218 --> 1:46:59.298 talking about that I've been thinking about quite a bit, 1:46:59.817 --> 1:47:01.897 and that is, you know, at the top of the 1:47:01.978 --> 1:47:05.017 draft this year, are we trending towards this just being 1:47:05.018 --> 1:47:08.497 a best player available draft for the Patriots. And I'm 1:47:08.537 --> 1:47:12.617 not saying that I drafted safety like he mentioned Malchi Starks. 1:47:12.657 --> 1:47:16.617 You look sorry. Continue. Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm 1:47:16.657 --> 1:47:19.737 not totally throwing out positional value when I say that. 1:47:20.378 --> 1:47:23.897 But if you told me that the best course of 1:47:23.978 --> 1:47:27.218 action was to take the best player available at a 1:47:27.218 --> 1:47:32.777 premium position, receiver, attack, pass rusher, cornerback, right, they already 1:47:32.777 --> 1:47:34.418 have the quarterback, so they don't need to do that. 1:47:35.298 --> 1:47:36.937 If it's on the defensive side of the ball, then 1:47:36.978 --> 1:47:38.977 I'm I'm game, like, does give me the best player 1:47:39.018 --> 1:47:39.458 at that point? 1:47:39.497 --> 1:47:42.657 You know, I think best player available is a myth. 1:47:43.058 --> 1:47:45.097 I think the concept of drafting the best player available 1:47:45.098 --> 1:47:47.418 is a myth because evan Travis Hunter goes first overall, 1:47:47.418 --> 1:47:49.218 who's the best player left on the board. Who is 1:47:49.258 --> 1:47:52.298 the best football player at their position on the board? 1:47:52.577 --> 1:47:54.218 Please give me the correct answer. I know you don't 1:47:54.218 --> 1:47:55.657 want to say it, but give me the correct answer. 1:47:55.697 --> 1:47:57.978 Wait. So, if Travis Hunter is off the board. 1:47:57.817 --> 1:48:01.617 Who's the most talented football player at his position left? 1:48:02.178 --> 1:48:10.178 Probably that Michigan tackle. It's ash and Genty, But so 1:48:10.338 --> 1:48:11.977 and I wouldn't. I I don't think they should take 1:48:11.978 --> 1:48:13.857 ash and Genty. I don't. He's gonna be a cowboy 1:48:13.937 --> 1:48:16.617 one way or the other. But that's a okay, he's 1:48:16.617 --> 1:48:18.977 gonna be come on, well, no, I just I don't 1:48:19.058 --> 1:48:21.298 care it's him. I think it's him. 1:48:21.497 --> 1:48:24.737 To your point about the Michigan defensive tackle Mason Graham, yeah, 1:48:25.937 --> 1:48:28.777 I'm almost with you. I wouldn't take a defensive tackle 1:48:28.817 --> 1:48:31.018 that high. That's the one position if you want to 1:48:31.058 --> 1:48:32.817 sell you wouldn't take like I and I know. 1:48:32.817 --> 1:48:35.857 This is unfair, but like, yeah, you wouldn't take Chris 1:48:35.937 --> 1:48:36.577 Jones that high. 1:48:36.617 --> 1:48:40.177 No, I'm talking specifically like in this class for this team. Okay, 1:48:40.218 --> 1:48:42.177 So like if you want to sell me on Will Johnson, 1:48:42.218 --> 1:48:43.537 if you don't believe in one of the tackles you 1:48:43.537 --> 1:48:46.298 want to and they add a veteran receiver, right, you 1:48:46.338 --> 1:48:47.777 want to sell me on Will Johnson. I can be 1:48:47.817 --> 1:48:49.897 sold on Will Johnson. You want to sell me on 1:48:49.937 --> 1:48:51.897 Michael Williams, you want to sell me I'm still not 1:48:51.897 --> 1:48:54.177 sure on James Pierce, but like we'll get their Abdua Carter. 1:48:54.657 --> 1:48:57.697 I just look at defensive tackle and I think Mason 1:48:57.737 --> 1:49:01.617 Graham's a good player. I think Dion Walker is already 1:49:01.617 --> 1:49:04.177 being slept on, and I think he's going. 1:49:03.978 --> 1:49:05.817 To be as good. 1:49:06.298 --> 1:49:08.338 Well, for one thing, they have Barmore. I would say 1:49:08.338 --> 1:49:10.377 defensive tackle is the one position where. 1:49:10.298 --> 1:49:12.298 Yeah, I'd have Barmore, And I would say that like 1:49:12.378 --> 1:49:14.857 Kean is really like a flex like so like he's 1:49:15.018 --> 1:49:17.577 more of a hand than the dirt guy, so passing 1:49:17.617 --> 1:49:18.097 downs too. 1:49:18.218 --> 1:49:20.097 Between that and looking at the rest of the class, 1:49:20.138 --> 1:49:22.458 if you're gonna take Mason Graham, at least trade down 1:49:22.458 --> 1:49:25.017 and take Deon Walker, that's the one and I reserved 1:49:25.018 --> 1:49:26.418 the right change my mind for a long way out. 1:49:26.458 --> 1:49:29.777 But looking at it right now, I that's that's the 1:49:29.817 --> 1:49:33.258 one position I'd be like, I think it's is Mason 1:49:33.298 --> 1:49:36.418 Graham the best player available? Maybe, but when you get 1:49:36.497 --> 1:49:39.178 into the value of it, of you know, what are 1:49:39.218 --> 1:49:42.697 you really adding. I think a guy like James Pierce, 1:49:42.817 --> 1:49:44.338 if he is the past rusher, we think he is 1:49:44.737 --> 1:49:47.258 a guy like Michael Williams probably gives you more pound 1:49:47.298 --> 1:49:49.138 for pound. And if it's like, well, no, we want 1:49:49.178 --> 1:49:51.218 a defensive tackle, we want a two headed monster in 1:49:51.258 --> 1:49:54.338 the middle. Trade down, take Dean Walker. I think he 1:49:54.458 --> 1:49:55.178 ended up better for it. 1:49:55.657 --> 1:49:59.258 Yeah, I'm really coming around on on defense. I mean, look, 1:49:59.298 --> 1:50:01.418 we went on this whole thing about the coaching and 1:50:01.737 --> 1:50:03.977 on the deal. This is all predicated on them adding 1:50:04.218 --> 1:50:08.098 t Higgins, DK Metcalfeck. Sure, but they don't think they 1:50:08.178 --> 1:50:10.657 need to take ten. But even still, I mean yeah, 1:50:10.777 --> 1:50:13.857 but like, even still, it is obviously everything is is 1:50:14.018 --> 1:50:18.258 you know about attacking it correctly in the veteran market too, right, 1:50:18.697 --> 1:50:20.937 But I just look at it and I just think 1:50:20.978 --> 1:50:23.458 that there's a lot of really good defensive talent in 1:50:23.537 --> 1:50:26.218 this draft. I think Will Johnson, even though he's had 1:50:26.218 --> 1:50:27.577 a little bit of a down year. You tell me, 1:50:27.617 --> 1:50:29.937 I think he's a hell of a football player. Still, yeah, 1:50:30.178 --> 1:50:31.937 you know, I think there's a lot of really good 1:50:32.218 --> 1:50:34.458 defensive talent. I still feel like Travis Hunter is a 1:50:34.497 --> 1:50:36.937 better corner. I know I'm with you on that. I 1:50:37.018 --> 1:50:39.617 know he's probably gonna play receiver in the league. But 1:50:39.737 --> 1:50:41.977 the point I'm getting at is is that you know 1:50:42.058 --> 1:50:44.058 they need talent on both sides of the ball. And 1:50:44.138 --> 1:50:46.258 I understand we all want to give Drake May as 1:50:46.338 --> 1:50:48.058 toys and we all want to set Drake May up 1:50:48.098 --> 1:50:51.418 for success. We absolutely do, but you can do that 1:50:51.537 --> 1:50:53.857 in different avenues. And I look at the defensive side, 1:50:53.937 --> 1:50:57.577 and really, when you think about it, two out of 1:50:57.617 --> 1:51:00.337 the last three drafts have been offensive drafts for the Patriots. 1:51:00.577 --> 1:51:03.177 Twenty three was the defensive draft. Bill pick three guys 1:51:03.258 --> 1:51:04.937 on the top of the draft, all defense, you know, 1:51:05.098 --> 1:51:08.617 Christian Zales, Kean White, Marte Mapu. But in twenty twenty 1:51:08.697 --> 1:51:12.537 two it was Cole Strange, Taekwan Thornton, Pierre Strong. They 1:51:12.697 --> 1:51:15.537 mixed in Marcus Jones in there, and then obviously last 1:51:15.617 --> 1:51:17.857 year they pick one defensive player in the sixth round. 1:51:17.937 --> 1:51:21.298 In Marcella's dial That's a big reason why the depth 1:51:21.338 --> 1:51:23.298 on the defensive side of the football is where it is. 1:51:23.378 --> 1:51:26.178 You haven't really been drafting a ton on that side 1:51:26.218 --> 1:51:28.977 of the football, So we're at the point now where 1:51:29.338 --> 1:51:32.937 another pass rusher is necessary. Your pass rush right now 1:51:33.058 --> 1:51:34.977 is I think they're thirtieth or thirty first in the 1:51:35.018 --> 1:51:37.258 league in pressure rate on defense, so they don't get 1:51:37.298 --> 1:51:41.977 pressure on the quarterback anymore. They're second cornerback spot opposite 1:51:42.058 --> 1:51:45.458 of Christian Gonzales is a problem. Marcus Jones is a 1:51:45.497 --> 1:51:48.017 slot like, he's just undersize to play on the outside. 1:51:48.098 --> 1:51:49.497 He's a good slock corner, but he's a stock corner. 1:51:49.617 --> 1:51:52.497 Jonathan Jones is really gonna, I think gonna transition to 1:51:53.018 --> 1:51:56.097 free safety here soon and start to play more at safety, 1:51:56.418 --> 1:51:59.857 so you really need another guy on the outside opposite 1:51:59.897 --> 1:52:02.737 of Gonzales. You're getting to the point where all these 1:52:02.777 --> 1:52:06.138 things are starting to creep up inside linebacker depth, you know, 1:52:06.298 --> 1:52:08.418 like you lose Bentley and that whole group kind of 1:52:08.458 --> 1:52:10.537 goes to to shambles. 1:52:10.577 --> 1:52:12.657 And this how many years have we done that? It's 1:52:12.697 --> 1:52:16.218 been a bad linebacker draft. Yeah, right, good linebacker draft 1:52:16.298 --> 1:52:19.097 this year. Harold Perk and Danny Stutsman, she had Campbell, 1:52:19.537 --> 1:52:22.178 assuming he comes out. The one thing I'll say to 1:52:22.258 --> 1:52:24.497 the point you just gave is when you because because 1:52:24.497 --> 1:52:27.097 you're just kind of going off of who you've heard 1:52:27.098 --> 1:52:31.217 of as the top thirty guys. Yeah, right, the talent 1:52:31.697 --> 1:52:34.458 We've become so accustomed to there being just this tremendous 1:52:34.537 --> 1:52:36.218 depth on the offense inside of the ball these last 1:52:36.218 --> 1:52:39.458 few drafts outside of the running back position and maybe 1:52:39.537 --> 1:52:43.257 tight end, which are two positions Patriots could maybe addressed, 1:52:43.258 --> 1:52:45.977 but later on, like you don't have that depth at 1:52:45.978 --> 1:52:48.338 wide receiver. You don't have that depth to tackle this 1:52:48.657 --> 1:52:55.697 edge class, loaded, loaded linebacker class, very good, the cornerback class. 1:52:56.058 --> 1:52:58.817 There's a lot of underclassmen. So I'm hesitant to say 1:52:58.857 --> 1:53:00.497 it's gonna be deep yet, but like it could be. 1:53:00.737 --> 1:53:02.298 It very well could be. And I think some of 1:53:02.338 --> 1:53:04.218 these guys are gonna come out because they're gonna see 1:53:04.218 --> 1:53:11.617 that opportunity you if they add the veteran receiver with you, 1:53:11.737 --> 1:53:14.418 But like if not, I just you're gonna be able 1:53:14.458 --> 1:53:16.817 to get quality defensive players later then you're gonna be 1:53:16.817 --> 1:53:18.617 able to at quality offensive players in the draft. It 1:53:18.697 --> 1:53:22.098 looks like so they need volume. Wise, they need to 1:53:22.138 --> 1:53:25.777 address defense in this draft when we're talking about the 1:53:25.857 --> 1:53:28.497 top if they don't add a veteran receiver has to 1:53:28.537 --> 1:53:31.857 be teed. McMillan, you talk, so not to cut you off, 1:53:31.937 --> 1:53:35.097 but just I think this is related tech mcmilliner. 1:53:35.178 --> 1:53:37.458 Tackle. Yeah. So the other thing that we talked about 1:53:37.458 --> 1:53:39.458 the other day on PU which I think is a possibility. 1:53:40.058 --> 1:53:41.458 A lot of the time when you look at the 1:53:41.537 --> 1:53:46.697 league free agency, defensive guys do hit free agency quite frequently. 1:53:47.178 --> 1:53:51.617 So there's some corners, especially, uh, you know, DJ Reed, 1:53:51.737 --> 1:53:55.018 Tavarious Ward, Uh, you know guys that Carlton Davis is 1:53:55.058 --> 1:53:57.338 going to be a free agent, Guys that can are 1:53:57.458 --> 1:53:59.977 are good corners in the league that are gonna be 1:54:00.018 --> 1:54:03.577 coming up on the market. If they're gonna do if 1:54:03.617 --> 1:54:06.058 they're really like if you really think wide receiver is 1:54:06.218 --> 1:54:07.777 that they need to hit that and they need to 1:54:07.857 --> 1:54:10.058 hit tackle one and two in the draft and have 1:54:10.138 --> 1:54:13.657 another top heavy at least offensive draft, Well, then you 1:54:13.777 --> 1:54:16.258 have you have to fill it in another way, right, 1:54:16.537 --> 1:54:19.218 So then then it becomes free agency becomes when you 1:54:19.298 --> 1:54:21.977 add defense, right, But one of these ways whichever And 1:54:22.058 --> 1:54:25.137 we're gonna have a conversation at some point, probably soon 1:54:25.418 --> 1:54:28.057 and go down this rabbit hole of which path is better. 1:54:28.458 --> 1:54:30.937 But it's either you got to put all your sources 1:54:30.978 --> 1:54:33.338 into the offense and free agency and all of them 1:54:33.378 --> 1:54:35.418 into defense in the draft or vice versa. I don't 1:54:35.418 --> 1:54:37.897 think that's true. I think you can mix and match it. 1:54:38.418 --> 1:54:42.937 You could sign or trade for a receiver, draft to 1:54:43.018 --> 1:54:45.738 tackle at the top of the draft, sign one of 1:54:45.778 --> 1:54:49.218 those corners, draft against really good edge draft. I can't 1:54:49.258 --> 1:54:52.658 stress that enough. Sign a pass but sign a sign 1:54:52.698 --> 1:54:55.137 a corner. Draft a pass rusher in the second round. 1:54:55.338 --> 1:54:57.937 On day two of the draft. That realistically just based 1:54:57.978 --> 1:55:01.058 off of just trendons, like you might get like a 1:55:01.138 --> 1:55:03.818 Joshua j type who's like a really good pass rusher 1:55:03.937 --> 1:55:07.138 on third down. But my feeling is is that they 1:55:07.298 --> 1:55:09.498 on defense they might need a three day player. 1:55:09.618 --> 1:55:12.698 There are some for this draft specifically, I get what 1:55:12.698 --> 1:55:15.418 you're saying. Yeah, for this draft specifically, I think there 1:55:15.418 --> 1:55:20.017 are some potential, uh primary pass rushers that you're gonna 1:55:20.018 --> 1:55:21.618 think about where they're gonna be picking on day two. 1:55:21.818 --> 1:55:25.378 We're not talking about picking the forties right and the 1:55:25.458 --> 1:55:28.858 board will change. But the Ohio State guys Jack Sawyer, 1:55:29.138 --> 1:55:32.297 three down player out of o High State currently projected 1:55:32.378 --> 1:55:35.097 like a top forty kind of player. There's a little 1:55:35.098 --> 1:55:37.138 bit higher. He's probably gonna be first round pick. But 1:55:37.138 --> 1:55:42.978 like Nick Gordon, three down player, the teel Maul Muluau, 1:55:43.058 --> 1:55:44.738 I think it is from the other High state guys 1:55:44.778 --> 1:55:48.738 three down play. They can get that three down I 1:55:48.778 --> 1:55:52.218 don't know that you're gonna get Miles Garrett, but can 1:55:52.298 --> 1:55:54.178 you get a guy who can be your primary pass 1:55:54.338 --> 1:55:56.738 rusher and be a three down player at that stage 1:55:56.778 --> 1:56:00.538 in the draft. I think it's possible. It's very possible. Cornerback, 1:56:00.978 --> 1:56:02.818 same way. Again, we'll see how many of these younger 1:56:02.858 --> 1:56:05.458 guys come out. It's a younger group, but you know, 1:56:05.538 --> 1:56:07.778 if more guys go to the draft, I'm really interested 1:56:07.858 --> 1:56:09.818 to see what the book ends up being on the 1:56:09.897 --> 1:56:14.298 Ohio State guys. So, Denzel Burke was a projected top 1:56:14.378 --> 1:56:16.498 ten pick for a long time. He has had a 1:56:16.618 --> 1:56:20.738 rough season. He has had a rough season. David Igbanoz 1:56:20.778 --> 1:56:23.137 in the other corner kind of same thing. Fringy first 1:56:23.218 --> 1:56:25.698 round guy. Now people are saying more that, you know, 1:56:25.858 --> 1:56:29.017 fifty to seventy five range, it's gonna be there's always 1:56:29.058 --> 1:56:31.977 these guys right where you look at the tape, you're 1:56:31.978 --> 1:56:34.137 gonna have I'm gonna have to remind you watch Denzel 1:56:34.178 --> 1:56:36.458 Burke in twenty twenty two, don't just watch Denzel Burke 1:56:36.498 --> 1:56:38.977 in twenty twenty three. Yeah, And where does that come down? 1:56:39.018 --> 1:56:40.738 If they see him in twenty two and they say 1:56:41.018 --> 1:56:42.937 he had a down year last year for whatever reason, 1:56:43.458 --> 1:56:46.097 you get a potential like he certainly has the ceiling 1:56:46.418 --> 1:56:49.017 to be a guy that can be legitimate option opposite 1:56:49.058 --> 1:56:51.338 Christian Gonzalez. It's just where do you think he's at 1:56:51.378 --> 1:56:52.378 from last year to this year? 1:56:52.538 --> 1:56:55.338 Fair enough? I just look at it, and you know, 1:56:55.538 --> 1:56:59.017 the more that I watched this team unfold this season, 1:56:59.378 --> 1:57:00.897 and I think a lot of this and I'm not 1:57:00.978 --> 1:57:03.178 trying to make it harder on him than it already is. 1:57:03.258 --> 1:57:05.378 I'm really not. But a lot of this just stems 1:57:05.418 --> 1:57:07.018 from the fact that I think Drake May is just 1:57:07.098 --> 1:57:08.698 awesome and it is gonna make a lot of the 1:57:08.778 --> 1:57:12.618 offense go okay, but let me finish. Yeah. The more 1:57:12.698 --> 1:57:16.057 I watch the team, though, the more I look at 1:57:16.138 --> 1:57:18.778 the defense being the bigger problem right now than the 1:57:18.858 --> 1:57:21.858 offense right Like, it just it's very clear to me 1:57:22.098 --> 1:57:25.338 that the defense is the unit that's going backwards. The 1:57:25.378 --> 1:57:27.658 offense is at least on this steady climb up and 1:57:27.738 --> 1:57:29.897 a lot of that is like probably ninety percent of 1:57:30.018 --> 1:57:32.218 that is rake. But like, at least we see some 1:57:32.618 --> 1:57:34.498 some light at the end of the tunnel for the 1:57:34.618 --> 1:57:37.298 offense where if you go out and you add a 1:57:37.378 --> 1:57:40.057 big time playmaker in free agency, you might be done 1:57:40.458 --> 1:57:42.458 on offense. I still think you need to tackle. You 1:57:42.498 --> 1:57:44.298 probably still need to tackle, but like, I don't think 1:57:44.338 --> 1:57:48.017 that that tackle needs to be you know, like Trent 1:57:48.098 --> 1:57:49.937 Williams right, Like, I think that if you go out 1:57:49.978 --> 1:57:53.658 and you get a serviceable NFL left tackle, then you'll 1:57:53.778 --> 1:57:56.257 you'll be fine as an offense. Like I really believe 1:57:56.338 --> 1:57:58.578 that if you you still got to go out and 1:57:58.658 --> 1:58:01.458 get the guy right, I'm not saying that. But defensively, 1:58:01.578 --> 1:58:04.097 I think that they have sort of had needs everywhere 1:58:04.298 --> 1:58:08.378 on defense all of a sudden. Offensively, I think they 1:58:08.418 --> 1:58:10.338 need to tackle help, and I think they need a 1:58:10.458 --> 1:58:12.977 number one receiver. I think they have a decent two 1:58:13.058 --> 1:58:14.057 through five in the receiver. 1:58:14.178 --> 1:58:16.418 I'm with you, Like, if they add the left tackle 1:58:16.858 --> 1:58:18.378 we're talking about just this year, they need like they 1:58:18.418 --> 1:58:20.378 need a project tight end, they need to develop mental 1:58:20.458 --> 1:58:23.378 center play. If you add the tackle, if you add 1:58:23.418 --> 1:58:26.698 the receiver. You're kind of banking on Caden Wallas showing up. 1:58:26.698 --> 1:58:28.138 We haven't gotten to see much of him this year, 1:58:28.178 --> 1:58:31.658 but like that's group. I just wouldn't I worry that 1:58:31.698 --> 1:58:34.137 they're gonna look at it and say, Drake mays good, 1:58:34.178 --> 1:58:34.618 we're done. 1:58:34.698 --> 1:58:35.618 Let's work on the defense. 1:58:35.698 --> 1:58:38.338 Like you can't do that, you need This is learning 1:58:38.418 --> 1:58:41.178 lessons from the mac Jones Erra. Right, Yeah, go get 1:58:41.298 --> 1:58:45.418 the kid the receiver. That has to happen, and you 1:58:45.578 --> 1:58:47.738 have to make sure his blind side is protected. It's 1:58:48.018 --> 1:58:50.858 a volume thing on defense. It's a it's a quality 1:58:50.897 --> 1:58:53.097 thing on offense. It's a quantity thing on defense. 1:58:53.218 --> 1:58:54.658 So my last thing on this and then we got 1:58:54.738 --> 1:58:58.258 a wrap. Yeah, I feel like we always get caught 1:58:58.498 --> 1:59:00.298 and I'm not just like, I'm not saying you, I'm 1:59:00.338 --> 1:59:03.138 just saying this is a general I feel like we 1:59:03.298 --> 1:59:05.818 always get caught in thinking the best the way to 1:59:05.858 --> 1:59:08.458 support the quarterback is to get him receivers, get him 1:59:08.778 --> 1:59:12.258 offensive line, build up the offense. It also doesn't hurt 1:59:12.298 --> 1:59:14.057 to make sure that the defense isn't given up thirty. 1:59:14.098 --> 1:59:16.578 It doesn't hurt, right, Like if he has to go 1:59:16.658 --> 1:59:18.538 out there and he has to score twenty four a 1:59:18.658 --> 1:59:22.818 game to win ten games. Then that also helps a lot. 1:59:22.978 --> 1:59:24.977 Like you look at what Kansas City is doing right, 1:59:25.058 --> 1:59:27.698 Like they're nine to one because Patrick Mahomes has to 1:59:27.778 --> 1:59:29.578 make like two plays at the end of the game 1:59:29.658 --> 1:59:31.977 to win them half of these games like that, that's 1:59:32.018 --> 1:59:34.977 how they've gotten here. So it doesn't hurt to have 1:59:35.098 --> 1:59:37.458 a good defense too. Like that helps a young quarterback 1:59:37.498 --> 1:59:38.937 as well, when he doesn't have to go out there 1:59:38.978 --> 1:59:41.017 and score thirty five to win the football. It does. 1:59:41.098 --> 1:59:42.578 And look, you know me, I'm the defense guy. Like 1:59:42.618 --> 1:59:44.897 I'm one hundred percent with you on that, but normally 1:59:44.978 --> 1:59:46.858 I'm the offensive guys. Right, you know, we've kind of 1:59:46.858 --> 1:59:49.538 flipped here. I would just say, like, because the defense 1:59:49.618 --> 1:59:53.097 just doesn't stop anybody younger quarterback, younger quarterback, you want 1:59:53.138 --> 1:59:57.058 to give him the pieces to absolute absolutely. I just 1:59:57.098 --> 1:59:59.097 think that there are a couple of pieces away on offense. 1:59:59.138 --> 2:00:01.818 I think defensively is starting to get a little bit tenuous. 2:00:01.897 --> 2:00:05.018 That's all really quickly, and then we really do have 2:00:05.138 --> 2:00:08.538 to wrap. We talked to little Dolphins. I don't love 2:00:08.618 --> 2:00:11.338 this matchup on the on paper for the Patriots this week. 2:00:11.937 --> 2:00:14.298 Not only is Miami just not a great place for 2:00:14.378 --> 2:00:17.418 them normally, but I just don't really see a path 2:00:18.138 --> 2:00:22.498 for them to a stop the Dolphins offense consistently and 2:00:22.578 --> 2:00:26.378 then be outscore the Dolphins offense the other side of 2:00:26.418 --> 2:00:30.057 the football. I'm trying to find a path for victory 2:00:30.138 --> 2:00:32.618 in this game. I do every week, I even if 2:00:32.698 --> 2:00:34.977 for three and eight, right, And I'm gonna try to 2:00:35.058 --> 2:00:37.698 talk myself into this is how they can win this game. 2:00:38.138 --> 2:00:39.937 The only way that I see that they can win 2:00:40.058 --> 2:00:42.698 this game is they have to play one of those 2:00:43.298 --> 2:00:47.218 clean time of possession type of games. Like it's gonna 2:00:47.258 --> 2:00:49.778 have to be they did that last week. It's gonna happen. 2:00:49.897 --> 2:00:52.977 I know, it's gonna have to be boring, right, Like 2:00:53.138 --> 2:00:56.618 it's gonna have to be twenty to seventeen or seventeen 2:00:56.738 --> 2:00:59.778 fourteen or something along those lines. And uh, that's not 2:01:00.258 --> 2:01:03.177 the thirty five to thirty shootout that we all would 2:01:03.418 --> 2:01:05.458 kind of like to see, I would assume with Drake May. 2:01:05.578 --> 2:01:07.618 But that's where I'm sort of at with this game. 2:01:07.818 --> 2:01:11.298 What's your statement on Jersey Mikes. So this is my 2:01:11.418 --> 2:01:15.977 statement on Jersey Mikes. My fear with the great Jersey 2:01:16.058 --> 2:01:19.458 Mikes is that you're no longer gonna be a sub above. 2:01:20.138 --> 2:01:22.858 You're gonna just be like every other sub. You are 2:01:22.978 --> 2:01:26.538 just gonna be a sub. The reason why I love 2:01:26.658 --> 2:01:31.177 Jersey Mikes is because Jersey Mikes has a sub above 2:01:31.458 --> 2:01:36.858 the rest. Okay, this is gonna be corporate America for them. 2:01:37.658 --> 2:01:41.658 Corporate America here we come right, Here comes the hedge fund, 2:01:41.818 --> 2:01:47.937 here comes the freaking capitalism people to ruin my sandwich chain, 2:01:48.098 --> 2:01:51.618 and I am very upset a Kramer and buy yourself 2:01:51.937 --> 2:01:54.298 a meat slicer Deli slicer Ma because they're I'm gonna 2:01:54.338 --> 2:01:56.977 slice my arm off, Alex. That's really that's a really 2:01:57.138 --> 2:01:59.538 hard to use. They're not easy. They're not as hard 2:01:59.578 --> 2:02:02.658 to use. All I'm saying to you to whoever bought 2:02:02.778 --> 2:02:06.858 Jersey Mikes, do not ruin the product. That's what corporate 2:02:06.897 --> 2:02:10.618 America does. You come in, you ruin the product. Equity 2:02:10.698 --> 2:02:11.698 firm Blackstone. 2:02:12.138 --> 2:02:14.738 That sounds horrible, Okay, but wait, are they the ones 2:02:14.778 --> 2:02:15.858 behind Blackstone grills? 2:02:15.858 --> 2:02:18.177 Because if they are, they know food? Because those black 2:02:18.578 --> 2:02:21.218 I am very upsets called Blackstone. What's that girl called? 2:02:21.218 --> 2:02:22.977 You know what I'm talking about? So like the Flatsop, 2:02:23.018 --> 2:02:25.618 those things are the other thing about Jersey Mikes that 2:02:26.218 --> 2:02:29.458 that I I I yeah, Blackstone grill, those things. Okay. 2:02:29.498 --> 2:02:33.258 The other thing about jerseys is that this is I 2:02:33.258 --> 2:02:35.178 didn't expect to do that whole philosophical thing. I thought 2:02:35.218 --> 2:02:36.578 you were just gonna do this part. This is a 2:02:36.738 --> 2:02:39.218 this is the first world problem, I fully admit. But 2:02:39.778 --> 2:02:42.458 I travel a lot for work, right, So I'm in 2:02:42.498 --> 2:02:45.418 different cities. I'm popping around a lot during football season, 2:02:45.978 --> 2:02:49.097 and I can always count on whether I'm here, whether 2:02:49.138 --> 2:02:54.378 I'm in Miami, whether I'm in Chicago, whether I'm in Arizona, 2:02:54.498 --> 2:02:57.778 whether I'm in Buffalo, wherever i am in the country, 2:02:57.937 --> 2:03:01.178 I can get a jersey Mikes number seven and have 2:03:01.538 --> 2:03:03.897 and know what I'm getting myself into, right, And that 2:03:04.098 --> 2:03:06.177 is very key for me. I'm a I'm a person, 2:03:06.498 --> 2:03:09.298 I'm a creature of habit and the fact that I 2:03:09.458 --> 2:03:12.778 might have to now figure out a different subplace to 2:03:12.858 --> 2:03:15.778 get my sandwich from for game day that really has 2:03:15.858 --> 2:03:18.378 me stressed out. Alex. I'm not gonna lie it's stressing 2:03:18.458 --> 2:03:20.618 me out. I'm sure you'll find another sandwich. I don't 2:03:20.618 --> 2:03:22.378 know if I'm going to. I think I'm not going to. 2:03:22.578 --> 2:03:24.338 You just can not eat on game days. I didn't 2:03:24.338 --> 2:03:25.858 say that. I just said that now I'm gonna have 2:03:25.858 --> 2:03:27.458 to go local, and then I'm gonna have to like 2:03:27.578 --> 2:03:31.017 Google in which places are always like I love good 2:03:31.058 --> 2:03:33.897 local sandwich place. There's one sandwich place, local sub pizza 2:03:33.937 --> 2:03:37.738 place usually, so I agree, Like we're big good good 2:03:37.778 --> 2:03:40.378 food store people are probably gonna go tomorrow. But like 2:03:40.498 --> 2:03:43.458 I know about good food store because I live here, right, Like, 2:03:43.818 --> 2:03:47.378 how am I going to find the local sub establishment 2:03:47.858 --> 2:03:51.137 in Buffalo, New York? Like maybe my people, my friends 2:03:51.218 --> 2:03:53.137 in Buffalo can help me out with Maybe this becomes 2:03:53.178 --> 2:03:53.378 a thing. 2:03:53.458 --> 2:03:55.258 Maybe on on social media each week you are on 2:03:55.298 --> 2:03:56.618 the road, like where should I get my sandwich? 2:03:56.698 --> 2:03:58.897 Yeah, because this is gonna be brutal because they're gonna 2:03:58.937 --> 2:04:02.338 ruin Jersey mice so tough. I hate it. I hate 2:04:02.498 --> 2:04:07.138 I hate corporate America. Sometimes speaking of America, Massachusetts is 2:04:07.218 --> 2:04:17.378 made for everyone, for leaf peepers, corn maze strollers. That's 2:04:17.458 --> 2:04:21.058 just such an amazing transition. I'm sorry, I have to 2:04:21.138 --> 2:04:24.177 do the read. Do the read. Massachusetts is made for everyone, 2:04:24.338 --> 2:04:28.057 for leaf peepers, corn maze strollers, were gotta lovers, pumpkin pickers, 2:04:28.298 --> 2:04:30.977 and anyone else you can think of. 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