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Speaker 3: it was Joe Capp or Jim Kapp, so I said
Speaker 3: some guy. Then I clicked on the link and it loaded,
Speaker 3: and then I saw Sid Luckman, George Blanda y A Tittle,
Speaker 3: Joe Cap and Adrian Burke.
Speaker 2: You have some respect on why Tittle's name? All right,
Speaker 2: that's so true. Why A Tittle was ahead of his time?
Speaker 2: I respect Sid Luckman also way ahead of his time,
Speaker 2: like Sid M. Luckman was actually throwing the ball down
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 3: See this is weird because this comes from the guy
Speaker 3: who like refuses to acknowledge errors when you talk about
Speaker 3: who the best player is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, this, I'm dead set on that tape.
Speaker 2: So then, how is Sid Luckman one of the best
Speaker 2: of all times? I did say he was one of
Speaker 2: the best of all times? No, I did not. No,
Speaker 2: I did not. I said he was ahead of his time.
Speaker 2: I did not say he was one of the best
Speaker 2: of all time. I said he was ahead. When host
Speaker 2: don't listen, I said ahead, not best. But I am
Speaker 2: very dead set on that. You cannot have a conversation
Speaker 2: about the greatest players in any respective sport of all
Speaker 2: time without like everybody says, well, it's a different era. Okay,
Speaker 2: But if I'm putting a basketball team together, am I
Speaker 2: gonna take Lebron James Or am I gonna take the
Speaker 2: great great Bill Russell. I'm taking Lebron James like I
Speaker 2: just it's not even.
Speaker 3: Russell's a bad example there because he beat played a
Speaker 3: different style, but he's probably a guy that would have
Speaker 3: been good.
Speaker 2: And he would have been like a rim running five.
Speaker 3: You're talking about your your ear, talking more about a
Speaker 3: guy like.
Speaker 1: Other.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you a better example, Okay, Don Hudson, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you cannot tell me careful now you don't want Bill here. Now,
Speaker 2: you cannot tell me Don Hudson that Don Hudson and
Speaker 2: Randy Moss are the same, are the same species obviously,
Speaker 2: like they're they're not even they're not. One is a
Speaker 2: cyborg and one is very human.
Speaker 3: Because one guy played in an error where they understood that,
Speaker 3: you know, drinking a beer and smoking a pack of
Speaker 3: cigarettes at halftime probably wasn't the best idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I offense to people that then go ahead
Speaker 2: and say that Don Hudson and is somehow better than
Speaker 2: Randy Moss, Terrell Owens or you know, name another like
Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson. Like no, no, and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: adjust for era, like I clearly am taking Calvin Johnson
Speaker 2: over God. I u's think that that is implied.
Speaker 3: But the guy, it's like the thing when you do
Speaker 3: strength to schedule, you can only play the team on
Speaker 3: your schedule, right, How good Mike don Hudson have been
Speaker 3: if he had these diets and these weight training regimens
Speaker 3: and this and that was.
Speaker 2: Like one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet. They didn't
Speaker 2: like work out back. Oh my god. Also, there's some
Speaker 2: great receivers. Now we're gonna talk about Jalen wall How
Speaker 2: much of Jalen wall Away? You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: one hundred eighty pounds soaking wet? How much Devonte Smith Way?
Speaker 2: You love Damante? How much Devonte Smith so like I
Speaker 2: It's it's insane.
Speaker 3: Obviously, obviously we know that guys from the sixties were
Speaker 3: are different athletes, are different raw athletes than modern players
Speaker 3: because they have a complete from the time they are born.
Speaker 3: There's a completely different regimen to get them ready. Have
Speaker 3: you ever seen I think you just acknowledged that and
Speaker 3: move on. There are a handful of guys I think
Speaker 3: Transcenderra Moss is one.
Speaker 2: Have you have you ever seen like old old footage
Speaker 2: of like Babe Ruth swinging a baseball bat? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he like that would not work. That would not work, obviously,
Speaker 2: but literally obviously everybody because it's like a running joke
Speaker 2: now for so many reasons that Bayberth wouldn't be good
Speaker 2: in the modern modern big leagues, but he still found
Speaker 2: a way and managed to be better than so much
Speaker 2: better than everybody else at the same time who had
Speaker 2: the same resources he had. That doesn't count for anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't say it doesn't count for anything. I just
Speaker 2: don't want to hear of these guys ranked ahead of
Speaker 2: modern guys category.
Speaker 3: So okay, So who's a better baseball player, Babe Ruth
Speaker 3: or Bobby Dolbeck.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's not what we're talking about. If
Speaker 2: we're gonna do, if we're going to do, we're talking
Speaker 2: about machine. You put him on the same the Bobby
Speaker 2: Dollbacks of the world. We're talking about like Babe Ruth
Speaker 2: versus like, so, then where's one might as well be
Speaker 2: an alien like show heyo Tani. If you told Babe
Speaker 2: Ruth that that because both of them played both ways, right,
Speaker 2: both of them pitch dan hit. If you told Babe
Speaker 2: Ruth that, showe heyo Tani would come along, like eighty
Speaker 2: years ninety years later, he'd be like, that person is
Speaker 2: not real, That is a fictional character. Okay, But then
Speaker 2: all right, if we're just going to default that this
Speaker 2: guy who has more resources to be better at the sport,
Speaker 2: we've learned a lot about the sport over the last
Speaker 2: year year. That's what it is. But that's what you're saying. No,
Speaker 2: it's an evolution, is what I'm saying. It was Ruth
Speaker 2: not Otani to his era. Yeah, and an evolution happened,
Speaker 2: and now Shoo Tani happened. Okay, but Ruth didn't have
Speaker 2: the benefit of the evolution. So who's to say, what
Speaker 2: do you mean, who's to say he's not gonna magically
Speaker 2: get evolution? Like he's Babe Ruth and this is Shoo.
Speaker 2: He's not his fault. He played what he did. I'm
Speaker 2: not blaming him for it. I was saying he's not
Speaker 2: better than the people that are playing now, that's all
Speaker 2: I'm saying, but better like on what relative to what?
Speaker 2: To them? If you said, who's a better baseball player,
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Speaker 2: allowing us to debate that any longer. We could have
Speaker 2: gone on for another twenty minutes. And uh, and it's
Speaker 2: just not worth it. You know, you're You're just not
Speaker 2: It's not worth arguing with you over that. H Let's
Speaker 2: talk a little bit of Patriots football and uh, I
Speaker 2: gotta calm down after you got me all riled up
Speaker 2: coming out of the gate. Yeah, very good. Here's here's
Speaker 2: where I'm at right now, or where I wanted to start.
Speaker 2: And of course I wanted to start here before this morning,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to give Alex van Pelt his flowers.
Speaker 2: I still want to give Alex van Pelt his flowers.
Speaker 2: I understand there's a lot if you missed it. This
Speaker 2: morning at his press conference, he was talking about Marcus Jones.
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones reached out to Alex van Pelt said I
Speaker 2: want to help on offense. Alex van Pelt claimed that
Speaker 2: he did not know that Marcus Jones had previously previously
Speaker 2: played on offense for the Patriots. Objectively not a great look, right,
Speaker 2: not a great look that he didn't know that, But
Speaker 2: I'm still not going to say that that supersedes the
Speaker 2: good things that Alex van Pelt has been doing. And
Speaker 2: my whole take with this is there was a lot
Speaker 2: of questions, not for myself, because you know, Alex, you
Speaker 2: can vouch I had said Drake May was going to
Speaker 2: be would you tell me last week I said he
Speaker 2: was going to be an MVP candidate as a rookie
Speaker 2: or whatever. That's what. Yeah, yeah, prob. I don't understand
Speaker 2: why you're so upset. I brought that up. Pro bowler
Speaker 2: as a rookie. Anyways, Alex Van Pelt, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: has done a really great job with this offense. We're
Speaker 2: at that point now the season where I feel pretty
Speaker 2: comfortable saying that unless the wheels completely fall off in
Speaker 2: the last six games of the season for Drake May,
Speaker 2: I want Alex van Pelt back next year as the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator of the Patriots. The big things to me
Speaker 2: that that are in Van Pelt's favor right now. He
Speaker 2: has Drake May playing on time, in rhythm from the
Speaker 2: pocket and seeing the field extremely well prepared. His mechanics
Speaker 2: are improving, his footwork has improved. Basically, the footwork conversation
Speaker 2: that we spent six months having about this player was
Speaker 2: all waste of time. Like he's completely fixed it within
Speaker 2: the span of a couple of months of working with
Speaker 2: Alex Van Pelt. And I would be really, really weary
Speaker 2: if I were the Patriots of the year one to
Speaker 2: year two jump for Drake May and switching coordinators on
Speaker 2: him from year one to year two. They talk a
Speaker 2: lot about how they don't want to be error repeaters
Speaker 2: with the quarterback development. That would be repeating one of
Speaker 2: the most egregious errors they made of the mac Jones
Speaker 2: era was going from Josh McDaniels to Matt Patricia. Well,
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, are you at all worried
Speaker 2: that it could go? I don't want to phrases. I
Speaker 2: don't know that too well is the phrase, But like,
Speaker 2: when do we get to the tipping point of just
Speaker 2: do other teams start looking at Alex van Pelt to
Speaker 2: poach him, not yet that they end up in that
Speaker 2: sweet spot where the development's there and it's enough, but
Speaker 2: it's not to the point where he's going to get
Speaker 2: head coaching offers. Yeah, I don't think we're there yet
Speaker 2: for him. But what I'm seeing from Van Pelt first
Speaker 2: of all, is I hear what you're saying, because calling
Speaker 2: him a quarterback whisper is probably a little bit strong.
Speaker 2: Like it's six games, right, Like, let's see what it
Speaker 2: looks like over a long larger sample. But for Drake May,
Speaker 2: he has done a fantastic job developing Drake. He just
Speaker 2: has you know, like from the very beginning, he stuck
Speaker 2: to his plan, He stuck to his process. He didn't
Speaker 2: rush it, he didn't drag his feet. He did it perfectly.
Speaker 2: He did, and they have him playing fantastic football. On
Speaker 2: top of that, I feel like there are other things
Speaker 2: that are happening with this offense where we are seeing
Speaker 2: marginal improvements bols from execution and from scheme that have
Speaker 2: me excited about where this thing could head with some
Speaker 2: better players next year. You know, if you have a
Speaker 2: true number one receiver, if you have t Higgins on
Speaker 2: this team next year, if you upgrade the offensive line
Speaker 2: next year, there are bones to this offense where you're
Speaker 2: starting to see it now that Drake is playing, and
Speaker 2: you have a better quarterback play that I really have liked,
Speaker 2: and I think we're making progress there. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: the most important asset that the Patriots have right now
Speaker 2: is Drake May he you know, speaking to a player
Speaker 2: in the locker room earlier today and he said that
Speaker 2: the future is bright because of Drake, like we have
Speaker 2: hope and we want to work harder now because of him.
Speaker 2: It would just be a really big mistake and something
Speaker 2: that I believe bad organizations do is react to external
Speaker 2: criticism first of all, and react to maybe the fact
Speaker 2: that they're not ranked very highly offensively and you know,
Speaker 2: points and DVOA and all that stuff, and just the
Speaker 2: results of it, and not see the bigger picture of
Speaker 2: the progress that they have made from start to finish.
Speaker 2: And bad organizations ruin quarterbacks by moving on from coordinators
Speaker 2: too quickly, and I think moving on from Alex van
Speaker 2: pel in the off season would be doing that. And
Speaker 2: you don't want to be one of those teams Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody about this the other day,
Speaker 2: and it was it actually wasn't in the context of
Speaker 2: Drake may it was in what quarterback we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It might have been Bryce Young. Uh.
Speaker 3: The biggest problem in the NFL right now is teams
Speaker 3: are impatient, right right, like they just expect it to work.
Speaker 3: And and Bill Bill Belichick has actually talked about this,
Speaker 3: I think on I think it was on McAfee about
Speaker 3: you're seeing guys like Sam Darnold and you know your
Speaker 3: Baker Baker Mayfield, right, guys like you get these second
Speaker 3: opportunities and maybe they're not hitting that total ceiling that
Speaker 3: was expected in the draft, but you know they're they're competent,
Speaker 3: they're legitimate starting quarterbacks because, yeah, it turns out it
Speaker 3: takes more than a year to develop quarterback. It's a
Speaker 3: multi year process and there's gonna be ups and downs.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna look great at first. Oh, it was
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about. It is Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3: A big part of the reason the NFL is struggling
Speaker 3: so much right now developed quarterbacks is in patience. And look,
Speaker 3: there's give and take there. You can't wait forever. Some
Speaker 3: guys are just bad, and you do need to recognize
Speaker 3: when to move on. I think the difference between is
Speaker 3: this guy not ready or is he a bust? So
Speaker 3: remember that thing from like ten years ago, the dress.
Speaker 3: Is it black and blue? Is it white and gold? Right,
Speaker 3: it's tough to tell. It can be really tough to tell.
Speaker 3: It's easy for me to sit here and we could
Speaker 3: go through these quarterbacks. We could play bust or not ready,
Speaker 3: and we could do with Bryce Young, we could do
Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson, we could do with.
Speaker 2: All these guys.
Speaker 3: It's a lot easier to just spew that than actually
Speaker 3: figure it out. But yeah, to your point, if the
Speaker 3: Patriots are patient, I think Drake may have shown you
Speaker 3: enough at this point that if they're patient, they'll be rewarded.
Speaker 3: But they have to be patient. And when I say patient,
Speaker 3: because some people will hear that and roll their eyes
Speaker 3: and say, oh great, so you know another year of
Speaker 3: kind of doing nothing and waiting, I don't mean it
Speaker 3: in that sense. In that sense, they need to be aggressive.
Speaker 3: What I mean by patient is like, this is not
Speaker 3: what it's going to look. You need to understand this
Speaker 3: is not what it's gonna look like with Drake May
Speaker 3: long term, what he is a rookie. His rookie year
Speaker 3: should not be his best year.
Speaker 2: That's a bad thing. If his rookie year is his
Speaker 2: best what happened to mac Jones?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ideally you want him to keep getting better and
Speaker 3: better and better. And some of that's natural growth, and
Speaker 3: some of that is you're gonna put hopefully more peace
Speaker 3: around him. You're gonna get him a real left tackle,
Speaker 3: you're gonna go out, You're gonna get him that Tuesday
Speaker 3: morning wide receiver, and that's going to increase the level.
Speaker 3: So that's where the patience comes in. Right, don't overreact
Speaker 3: to what it was this year. Instead, you need to
Speaker 3: look at this year and say, all right, and this
Speaker 3: is the first step. How do we continue to build
Speaker 3: on this instead of a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: It's not a full reset button, but it's close. There's
Speaker 2: just so many things that come with changing coordinators. And
Speaker 2: in theory, they could change coordinators and still be in
Speaker 2: the same family of offense. Right, they could go get
Speaker 2: another West Coast guy to run a similar system. But
Speaker 2: even still, you're still changing languages to an extent. The
Speaker 2: comparison I always use with that is like there's different
Speaker 2: dialects in different areas of countries, right, Like you might
Speaker 2: speak different type of Italian in southern Italy than you
Speaker 2: do in Northern Italy, right, and still Italian, and you
Speaker 2: can still understand each other, but there's little nuances that
Speaker 2: are are a little bit different. Right now, the last
Speaker 2: thing that I.
Speaker 3: Want, sorry, it just had and not just in verbiage.
Speaker 3: That could be right Van Peltz the footwork guy, right,
Speaker 3: and maybe you got to tweak the footwork again, or
Speaker 3: maybe you know there's certain players the teams invest in
Speaker 3: that we want to see less of or more of
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like you you're changing the path. You maybe aren't changing
Speaker 2: it as much as totally going to a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: But they're on a good path. They should try to
Speaker 2: stay on it. Yeah, that's that's exactly what I'm saying
Speaker 2: when you talk about the footwork stuff, Like Alex Van
Speaker 2: pelt is a big believer in left foot forward. Right,
Speaker 2: when Drake may is in shotgun, his left foot is
Speaker 2: going to be forward to the timing and the rhythm
Speaker 2: of the drop. It helps them with that. Right in
Speaker 2: terms of the steps of you know, three step drop,
Speaker 2: left foot forward, that times up with the routes that
Speaker 2: they're running off of the three step drop. So those
Speaker 2: types of things, those little nuances. He could get an
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator next year that says that I'm a right
Speaker 2: foot forward guy, or I'm a square stance sky like
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning used to do right or whatever, and now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden everything's thrown out the door. Right,
Speaker 2: So I'm just looking at this from a Drake prism,
Speaker 2: and then I also want to talk about some things
Speaker 2: that I've liked or I've been impressed with from a
Speaker 2: scheme perspective. But you have Drake May. You have a
Speaker 2: coach that has Drake May playing well, and don't let
Speaker 2: all the other stuff supersede the most important thing. And
Speaker 2: the most important thing is that Drake May keeps playing well.
Speaker 2: And we talk about this every week. I feel like
Speaker 2: and I know, I feel like I'm repleating myself. But
Speaker 2: eventually down the line, if you want to tell me
Speaker 2: that three years from now, they need to move on
Speaker 2: from Van Pelt for more a shinier new toy. You know,
Speaker 2: someone that's a little bit more innovative and who has
Speaker 2: a little bit more creativity with his play design and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Then I'll be on board
Speaker 2: if we get to that point. But right now, the
Speaker 2: most important thing is that Drake May is mechanically tied together.
Speaker 2: His eyes are in the right places, his feet are
Speaker 2: in time and online, his mechanics are cleaned up. His
Speaker 2: release looks a lot better and quicker. He's decisive, he's
Speaker 2: playing confident like. Those are the things that you want
Speaker 2: to see. And I really worry about getting a new
Speaker 2: coordinator in here next year that he's going to revert
Speaker 2: back to some of the bad habits he developed at
Speaker 2: North Carolina, which is the last thing that the Patriots
Speaker 2: need or want. The other couple of things from a
Speaker 2: schematic perspective that I've been impressed with. Do you know
Speaker 2: the Patriots tight ends right now are fourth in the
Speaker 2: lead league in receiving yards tight ends there are seventy
Speaker 2: catches for seven hundred and twenty eight yards. Both those
Speaker 2: numbers are fourth in the league. The only teams that
Speaker 2: are ahead of their tight ends are Baltimore with Mark Andrews,
Speaker 2: Vegas with Brock Bauers is having an incredible year, and
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey and the Kansas City Chiefs. So you're talking
Speaker 2: about probably the three best tight ends in football right now.
Speaker 2: I just named and then Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper
Speaker 2: are the next group. They're fourth in the league. So
Speaker 2: this offense has always done a nice job with tight ends,
Speaker 2: going back to Cleveland within Djoku and Hooper the first
Speaker 2: time when he was there in Cleveland, and those guys
Speaker 2: have always done a nice job producing, but they've really
Speaker 2: used the tight ends well. Henry's having his best year
Speaker 2: as a Patriot right now, on track for the most
Speaker 2: yards and catches in his Patriots career. So you look
Speaker 2: at that just in you know, there's a couple of
Speaker 2: other things, but just looking at the tight ends, they've
Speaker 2: done a really nice job with that position group. And
Speaker 2: I would also just say it really helps a young
Speaker 2: quarter back when you have two six foot five tight
Speaker 2: ends that would like to work in the middle of
Speaker 2: the field. It's a nice safety blanket for Drake May
Speaker 2: to have those two guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, we knew this is probably gonna
Speaker 3: be a tight end heavy year, just based off what
Speaker 3: Van Pelton in Cleveland and that that like seven to
Speaker 3: eight yard you know, get to the sticks and turn
Speaker 3: and just sit down. That's been there for them really
Speaker 3: since Drake May came in, and I'm kind of waiting
Speaker 3: to see when teams put more emphasis on taking that away,
Speaker 3: because that's going to open up more opportunities up the
Speaker 3: scene for guys like Pop Douglas, for guys like Kendrick Born.
Speaker 3: But they've been giving that to Drake May, he's been
Speaker 3: taking it. Hunter Henry just does such a I make
Speaker 3: that sound easy, right, run of the sticks, find a spot,
Speaker 3: sit down.
Speaker 2: It's not as easy as it sounds.
Speaker 3: This was something not a tight end, but like that's
Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers was able to be as successful as he
Speaker 3: was so quickly because he had a great knack for this.
Speaker 3: Now he was a quarterback, so he's pretty good at
Speaker 3: kind of knowing what the defense was going to do
Speaker 3: and being able to react. But safety blank's a great
Speaker 3: we're a great way to put it. They've they've they've
Speaker 3: given Drake May kind of an easy answer when he
Speaker 3: needs to easy answer, and they've done with consistency. And
Speaker 3: it's been a long time since the tight end position
Speaker 3: was something you were pumping up with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3: So it's just another sign that again, are they there?
Speaker 3: Are they done? No, not by any means, but they're
Speaker 3: making progress with the offense.
Speaker 2: So I remember Dante Scarnecia did an interview at some
Speaker 2: point and we're talking about mac Jones and he mentioned
Speaker 2: the quarterback's binky, Right, every quarterback needs one of those guys.
Speaker 2: That's just his safety blanket, his binky, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it. For Brady, you know, Troy Brown, Dion
Speaker 2: obviously than Edelman, Welker Edelman. I guess I should say
Speaker 2: in order, right, Like, all those guys at one in
Speaker 2: the middle of the field were often the guys at
Speaker 2: Brady third and five, Like you're going six yards to
Speaker 2: Julian Edelman, right, Like that's those were the guys that
Speaker 2: he really relied on. It feels like we're trending in
Speaker 2: a direction where Hunter Henry is in that category for
Speaker 2: Drake mank like he seems to be that person for Drake.
Speaker 2: So there's the tight end usage, which has been really good.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Pop Douglas. I think that they've figured out,
Speaker 2: for the most part, how to use Pop Douglas to
Speaker 2: the best of his abilities, whether it's throwing him design touches,
Speaker 2: scheme touches in the screen game, you know, RPO screens,
Speaker 2: those types of things, Slants over the middle of the fields.
Speaker 2: Caught another one last week, and just in general, just
Speaker 2: getting the football in his hands and letting him run
Speaker 2: with it. Crossing routes. You know, another one of those
Speaker 2: last week on the twenty eight yard or the great
Speaker 2: throw by Drake that everybody keeps pumping up rightfully, So
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, I've really enjoyed what they've done with him.
Speaker 2: I think that they've figured out how to use that player.
Speaker 2: He's not a big player, he's not a big target
Speaker 2: down the field, but he's a useful player, especially if
Speaker 2: you can get him and hit him on the move,
Speaker 2: and they've been able to find different ways to go
Speaker 2: ahead and do that. He had, you know, the eighteen
Speaker 2: yarder on the screen, or it might have been fourteen, fourteen,
Speaker 2: eighteen whatever, a nice chunk play on the screen. The
Speaker 2: twenty eight yarder on the crossing route, had another big
Speaker 2: play on a slant like those are the types of
Speaker 2: things that they need to use a player like that with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he might not be a high volume guy. He's probably
Speaker 2: not going to be targeted ten to fifteen times a
Speaker 2: game like a Welker or an Edelman would out of
Speaker 2: the slot. But they've done a nice job of finding
Speaker 2: ways to let his speed and let his jitterbug ability
Speaker 2: really impact the game. So I really liked what they've
Speaker 2: done with him as well. Yeah, next one, offensive line,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's improving. You know, now, how much
Speaker 2: you give that to Drake and how much you give
Speaker 2: that to the line and to Van Pelton, to Peters, like,
Speaker 2: that's up to you. A lot of it is up
Speaker 2: is on Drake, Like he's doing a great job of
Speaker 2: getting the ball out, evading pressure, avoiding sacks, using his
Speaker 2: legs when he needs to. But their pressure rate has
Speaker 2: gone from forty eight percent with Jakobe Brissett to thirty
Speaker 2: six percent with Drake may much more functional, much more,
Speaker 2: you know, functional really is the best word for it.
Speaker 2: So some of that to me is continuity as well.
Speaker 2: But I give them credit. And this is something that
Speaker 2: I was trying to ask him today, but you know,
Speaker 2: good luck getting the question in on that press conference.
Speaker 2: But one of the things I've noticed is that they've
Speaker 2: basically scrapped all of the seven steppers and long delayed
Speaker 2: play actions. And you know, the as much as I
Speaker 2: love leak, like leak, and like all these like plays
Speaker 2: that just take forever in the backfield to get going.
Speaker 2: In theory, great scheme if you can block it. The
Speaker 2: Patriots couldn't block it. So the Patriots now a lot
Speaker 2: of what Drake may is doing is five three step
Speaker 2: three and five step drop, whether he's under center or
Speaker 2: out of the gun, and it's a lot of quick
Speaker 2: hitting stuff. It's get the ball out of his hands.
Speaker 2: Their RPO game has increased, their gun play action game
Speaker 2: has increased. They are not asking him to turn his
Speaker 2: back to the defense a whole lot. They're not asking
Speaker 2: him to, you know, elongate those fakes and end around
Speaker 2: and then hand off and then now we're backed up
Speaker 2: field and we're trying to hit a delay route out
Speaker 2: of the back. No, we're not doing any of that
Speaker 2: stuff anymore that we were seeing earlier on in the
Speaker 2: season when Jacoby was getting killed, because it was taking
Speaker 2: three seconds, three and a half seconds just to get
Speaker 2: his eyes back up the field. So I think they've
Speaker 2: done a nice job of just throwing some of those
Speaker 2: bad plays for them in the trash can, and I
Speaker 2: think that has helped a lot with the line as well.
Speaker 3: I think you have to give some credit to continuity though,
Speaker 3: and the other thing you mentioned. All right, well, this
Speaker 3: is what they've done since Shrake May came in. How
Speaker 3: does that sync up with when they moved Mike when
Speaker 3: Winnu in the right guard?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right's about the same time, wouldn't you know it? You
Speaker 3: put your best offensive lineman in his best position and
Speaker 3: suddenly things look a lot better.
Speaker 2: I like this group.
Speaker 3: We'll see where Cole strange factors in. I understand working
Speaker 3: him at center and left guard. I didn't love them
Speaker 3: saying that they were going to work him at right
Speaker 3: guard as well. I understand they want to cross train guys,
Speaker 3: they want to get guys ready, but let's not go
Speaker 3: back to Mike when win right tackle.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: But I think finally sticking with the group helped. And
Speaker 3: who knows what would happen if they've done it soon.
Speaker 3: If they were able to do it sooner, I understand
Speaker 3: there'd be injuries. I honestly think you talk about the
Speaker 3: offensive coaching staff. If there's one guy I'm really high
Speaker 3: on at this point, it's Scott Peters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because taking a very little and made a lot
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it hasn't been good this year, but
Speaker 3: how many times if we come out of games and
Speaker 3: been like, well, it wasn't great, but it's better than
Speaker 3: we thought. Or just with individual players, you look at
Speaker 3: what they've gotten out of a Darian low And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying Vederien low has been like a Pro Bowl
Speaker 3: or anything, but compared to expectations, what they've got out
Speaker 3: of a Darian Lowe, what they've gotten out of Michael Jordan,
Speaker 3: what they've gotten out Demontre Jacobs, who showed up after
Speaker 3: final roster cuts and is now you're starting right tackle.
Speaker 2: Is functional.
Speaker 3: It's not great, but he's functional. So I look at
Speaker 3: that and I say, all right, if this is what
Speaker 3: he's doing with the bare minimum, if this is what
Speaker 3: he's doing with the revolving door of guys who are
Speaker 3: you know, borderline NFL caliber players, what's gonna happen when
Speaker 3: you actually get him? You know, players with the with
Speaker 3: the with the ceiling. What's gonna happen when you get him?
Speaker 3: And not just that are alright? What's gonna happen when
Speaker 3: you give him the same five guys to work with
Speaker 3: weekend and week out and they can actually build to something.
Speaker 3: So I you know, it took them longer than I
Speaker 3: think it should have taken them to get to this point.
Speaker 3: I think they should have had more continuity earlier. I
Speaker 3: think Drake may may have played earlier if they had
Speaker 3: more continuity earlier. Again, some of that's due to injuries,
Speaker 3: so I don't entirely blame them for that, like it's
Speaker 3: outside of their control. But I overall I like what
Speaker 3: I've seen because they've made enough at of so little
Speaker 3: that that I'm at the point where it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: like let's give them something real to work. And then
Speaker 3: it goes back to the point you said with the
Speaker 3: Alex VNN Pelton keeping that continuity, like if you move
Speaker 3: on from Alex band Pelt, new coach is gonna want
Speaker 3: his staff, Yeah, and that you know, now you're moving
Speaker 3: on from Scott Peters and TC. McCartney's another guy that's
Speaker 3: gotten a ton of credit, and I he was on
Speaker 3: some of those lists about up and coming coaches, Like
Speaker 3: you move on from alexand pell you're probably moving on
Speaker 3: from those guys too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I really do feel that they've done a
Speaker 2: much better job with their play calling in certain spots.
Speaker 2: Now I think They're time of their plays could be
Speaker 2: a little bit better at times still, you know, marrying
Speaker 2: it up to when they are expecting different coverage from
Speaker 2: the defense. Right, But even still, I feel like some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that they've done has had more answers
Speaker 2: within each probably call of you know, okay, if we
Speaker 2: have a man beater on here, but they drop into zone,
Speaker 2: it helps when they drop into his zone, your quarterback
Speaker 2: can run for twenty five yards, right Like that obviously helps.
Speaker 2: But it's something that I've noticed that as it has improved.
Speaker 2: And one of the other criticisms that I hear a
Speaker 2: lot about Alex Van Pelt is that they run the
Speaker 2: ball too much on first down, and the numbers do
Speaker 2: not back that up. They just don't support it. So
Speaker 2: since Drake May has been in the lineup and been
Speaker 2: the starter, the Patriots are fifth in the league in
Speaker 2: early down pass frequency. They're fifth in the league. They're
Speaker 2: passing the ball almost sixty percent of the time on
Speaker 2: first and second down since Drake May took over, and
Speaker 2: that's adjusted for situation. Right, So we're not talking about
Speaker 2: like blowouts and two minutes and staf for talking about
Speaker 2: actual football, like first and ten from the twenty five
Speaker 2: the very first play of the game, right like those
Speaker 2: types of situations, they're throwing the ball quite a bit,
Speaker 2: and I think some of that is a response to
Speaker 2: the fact that they haven't run the ball very well,
Speaker 2: and he's not just running into a brick wall, right Like,
Speaker 2: he's not just continuingly calling run after run after run
Speaker 2: even though it's not working. So they are a very
Speaker 2: aggressive early down passing offense. I know it might not
Speaker 2: feel like that all the time, but right now they're
Speaker 2: right up there with Kansas City Buffalo. You know, the
Speaker 2: teams that do this every year. You know that are
Speaker 2: like that every year because they put the ball in
Speaker 2: the quarterback's hands. So I've really thought that he's gotten
Speaker 2: better in that regard in terms of his play calling
Speaker 2: and the runs. In the run game, they're getting downhill
Speaker 2: a lot more. Like you don't see quite as much
Speaker 2: outside zone. It's still in there. They still will run it,
Speaker 2: but they're getting downhill a little bit more. They haven't
Speaker 2: had a ton of success with it, but I like
Speaker 2: the City so at full back element, Like, I think
Speaker 2: that that's something that they needed to just do and
Speaker 2: figure out. Do you think adding a fullback is in
Speaker 2: play this offseason. I think for this group it is
Speaker 2: because well, first of all, maybe not if they improve
Speaker 2: the offensive line. But the biggest thing for a full
Speaker 2: back is that he can be a fixer, right Like,
Speaker 2: if you lose a block on the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: now you have like another layer before you get to
Speaker 2: the ball carrier. So it's almost like the players on
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage have to go through two guys
Speaker 2: to get to the football instead of just one. So
Speaker 2: that was the big reason why I thought that they
Speaker 2: needed to maybe look at a big whether it's a
Speaker 2: you know, they call it muscle tight end, full back, whatever.
Speaker 2: Getting a big full back in there in this offense
Speaker 2: was because they couldn't execute the blocks on the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage consistently. So it gives you almost a It
Speaker 2: gives you like a safety net right in case you
Speaker 2: screw up on the line of scrimmage. So maybe, like
Speaker 2: somebody that is a little bit different than a than
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman, being eligible could be useful. But in
Speaker 2: Cleveland they use they used the center actually that as
Speaker 2: an eligible man, forget the guy's name, but they typically
Speaker 2: used it out of a jumbo package and not like
Speaker 2: a traditional fullback. So I could see them sticking with that.
Speaker 2: But the offensive line play, the tight ends, uh, the
Speaker 2: wide receivers, I would say usage has gotten a little
Speaker 2: bit better. And then obviously they have Drake May playing great.
Speaker 2: So your point about let's give van uh excuse me,
Speaker 2: Scott Peters some better linemen. Maybe if they give him
Speaker 2: some better linemen and they give a VP some better
Speaker 2: wide receiver talent, now we really could be cooking here,
Speaker 2: you know, especially if Drake May keeps playing.
Speaker 3: So in the end, we're back where we started in January,
Speaker 3: which was let's make the roster better team. We're all
Speaker 3: the way back. Took us what eleven months, ten months,
Speaker 3: eleven months, and we're paid and it's look, it's not
Speaker 3: a bad place to be because you can add talent
Speaker 3: to the roster. Like that's not when I say it's
Speaker 3: not a hard thing to do. You got to identify
Speaker 3: the talent, you gotta make sure it fits. But you
Speaker 3: have draft picks, you have cap space, you can add talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So this is a compliment, Sandwich. That
Speaker 2: was my goal here. So I just gave a lot
Speaker 2: of praise to the offensive staff. I wish you hadn't
Speaker 2: said that about Marcus Jones. Just you killed the momentum
Speaker 2: here a little bit a VP. That was the compliment.
Speaker 2: Here comes the the the insult of the compliment, sandwich.
Speaker 2: Everything that I just said about all the progress the
Speaker 2: offense is making and how I'm actually coming around to
Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt, the opposite is true on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the football, and on this show, I can't
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember the exact show that we talked about this, Alex,
Speaker 2: but I know we talked about it. Maybe you can
Speaker 2: help me because my memory stinks for reasons that can
Speaker 2: stay off the air. The show that we did where
Speaker 2: we said that Girod needed to be more involved on
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball Ago maybe San Francisco
Speaker 2: issues that. Yeah, I've been on this for a while.
Speaker 2: I believe you've brought up a couple times. I think
Speaker 2: we did it once post Drake may starting. We're at
Speaker 2: the point now where call it for what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they've been super well coached, well
Speaker 2: coordinated on the defensive side of the football, and the
Speaker 2: stats are with me. They're thirtieth in the league in DVOA.
Speaker 2: They're twenty eighth in the league and EPA per play,
Speaker 2: they're eighteenth in points per game. I know, I got
Speaker 2: to get that one in there for you, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't even do a justice to me. Like the eighteenth
Speaker 2: doesn't sound that bad, Like that's like middle of the pack, right,
Speaker 2: Like they're they're defensively. You know, if I told you
Speaker 2: that all they gave up to the Rams was twenty
Speaker 2: eight points, like on the service, it's not great, but
Speaker 2: it's not fifty, right, it doesn't sound terrible. But when
Speaker 2: you look at the numbers in the efficiency in which
Speaker 2: the Rams scored in they scored twenty eight points in
Speaker 2: twenty two minutes of game time. They averaged seven point
Speaker 2: nine yards per play, you know, like they they could
Speaker 2: not stop the Rams. They did not stop the Rams.
Speaker 2: I would say the same thing is true if I
Speaker 2: told you in Week three, on that Thursday night game
Speaker 2: that they gave up twenty four points to the Jets.
Speaker 2: On the surface, that doesn't sound that terrible. Twenty four
Speaker 2: points in the league now is like average, right for
Speaker 2: a team every week. Did they play good defense that
Speaker 2: night in the Meadowlands? Absolutely not. They could not stop
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers at all, So defensively. This has been going
Speaker 2: on all year that they haven't been coached very well.
Speaker 2: There's some specific things that I want to get into,
Speaker 2: but before we do, like what is your where? What's
Speaker 2: your temperature at right now? With DeMarcus Cumington and the
Speaker 2: defensive setup, we.
Speaker 3: Had talked about this. Now we gotta go back again.
Speaker 3: We had talked about this that they were just like
Speaker 3: it was too much on defense. They're getting too cute.
Speaker 3: There was too much of the rotation coverages and disguising
Speaker 3: this and disguising that. That was like two or three
Speaker 3: weeks into the season. I think we talked about that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I felt like it had settled down and
Speaker 3: they had done more to get back to basics. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's because they were down a bunch of players.
Speaker 3: It feels like that's ramped back up. Where I know
Speaker 3: you say, I asked you about the staff for the game.
Speaker 3: I know he said, like Anthony Jennings only played four
Speaker 3: coverage snaps or whatever. It was a corner of PFF.
Speaker 3: But I noticed a handful of times where like he
Speaker 3: wasn't setting the edges aggressively as he was.
Speaker 2: He did not have a good game right or.
Speaker 3: But it didn't look like he was handling his assignment different,
Speaker 3: not just that he was playing.
Speaker 2: I just thought that his run force was nowhere near
Speaker 2: as good as it usually is. So so whatever was.
Speaker 3: Behind that, yeah, but it just he looked so part
Speaker 3: of it too, was I guess what I what I
Speaker 3: noticed like he was lining up a little further out
Speaker 3: and he was lining up more upright. And they're putting
Speaker 3: Yannick and Gockway handing the dirt or Christian Barmore at
Speaker 3: defensive end.
Speaker 2: And I get it.
Speaker 3: You want to get those guys involved, but you want
Speaker 3: to get them involved, like I wouldn't change Anthony Jennings's role.
Speaker 3: Is there a way that you can get both of
Speaker 3: those things right in like that? Uh, some of the
Speaker 3: coverage stuff. I know we disagree exactly on their usage
Speaker 3: of Christian Gonzalz.
Speaker 2: But I would say, yeah, I wanted to get into that,
Speaker 2: so let's unpack it.
Speaker 3: It just it it felt like they were doing a
Speaker 3: little too much of time. They're running these zones and
Speaker 3: like Pukku is running the wide open spaces. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's happening into the second half of the game. So
Speaker 3: too cute, not enough adjustments. It just feels like it
Speaker 3: did back at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: So there are a couple of things I want to
Speaker 2: unpack here with the defense specifically. So I don't want
Speaker 2: to start with Gonzo because I'm gonna probably get fired
Speaker 2: up and we can let's let's end with Gonzo. Okay.
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I want to start with on
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball is something that I
Speaker 2: have been harping on since I know this for a fact.
Speaker 2: I brought this up for the first time when they
Speaker 2: played San Francisco. So all teams are doing, especially these
Speaker 2: Shanahan Tree teams, and we're gonna face another one on
Speaker 2: Sunday in Miami, and I guarantee you Mike McDaniel is
Speaker 2: gonna do the same exact thing. Teams are putting heavy
Speaker 2: personnel on the field. The Rams played a ton of
Speaker 2: two tight ends in this game. They played heavy personnel
Speaker 2: on the field. They know the Patriots are gonna match
Speaker 2: it in base defense, and then they're just putting the
Speaker 2: Patriots linebackers at the point of attack and throwing at
Speaker 2: the Patriots linebackers. We know the Patriots linebackers are not
Speaker 2: good in space. We know they're not good in coverage.
Speaker 2: It's just not their strong suit, right there. Jelani Tavai,
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings dropping off the line of scrimmage. Christianellis is
Speaker 2: really a special teamer that's been asked to play a
Speaker 2: whole lot more because of injuries and poor roster construction.
Speaker 2: So they're they're asking they're trying to play a lot
Speaker 2: in base defense to physically match the opponent and not
Speaker 2: give up the yards on the ground. And first of all,
Speaker 2: I just think that's that's backwards thinking. Like if I'm
Speaker 2: the Patriots, I'm thinking to myself, I'm gonna play Nickel.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll play big Nickel with three safety, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna play Nickel. Run it, run it because my offense,
Speaker 2: you know, we're not gonna score thirty five on offense,
Speaker 2: all right, We're not there yet. So if the other
Speaker 2: team runs the ball and they take up time and
Speaker 2: they have to march ten twelve plays to score touchdowns,
Speaker 2: you're shortening the game. So then you're keeping the game
Speaker 2: lower scoring, right, Like, you're keeping the game in the
Speaker 2: twenties by doing that. So invite the run, like, don't
Speaker 2: give up. I'm not saying to give up eight yards
Speaker 2: a carry, but like, don't panic about the yards on
Speaker 2: the ground. This coaching staff seems more concerned about stopping
Speaker 2: the run than stopping the pass. And that's backwards, like that,
Speaker 2: that's not how you should be coaching. This thing.
Speaker 3: Is some of it just because they've been so bad
Speaker 3: against the run, because because like you said, don't give
Speaker 3: up eight yards of carry, and weren't giving up eight.
Speaker 3: But you look at that that Jacksonville game, and you know,
Speaker 3: as we get to this Rams game itself, and I
Speaker 3: don't think the Rams and Jags are similar teams, but
Speaker 3: it felt like a very similar game. You had that
Speaker 3: hot start and then it just fell apart and it
Speaker 3: started attacking you. And I wonder if some of that's
Speaker 3: just an overcorrection to what had happened.
Speaker 2: So here's some stats for you about their base defense,
Speaker 2: because this is just alarming, right, So let's stick to
Speaker 2: the Rams game specifically, and then I'll give you the
Speaker 2: season stats. Here in a second, in the Rams game
Speaker 2: against Los Angeles, and I texted one of these numbers
Speaker 2: to you last night. They were in base defense the
Speaker 2: Patriots twenty five times twenty five snaps in base defense
Speaker 2: out of fifty one plays, the Rams averaged ten point
Speaker 2: three yards per play when the Patriots were in base defense.
Speaker 2: When the Rams passed in base defense, there's twelve passes.
Speaker 2: Twelve passes to thirteen runs, eighteen point one yards per
Speaker 2: pass play. It's too many eighteen in base defense. So
Speaker 2: what's happening in all these games and the Patriots are
Speaker 2: just letting it happen like they're just they're just continuing
Speaker 2: to do it over and over again, is to are
Speaker 2: getting them into their base with heavy personnel offensively, and
Speaker 2: they're throwing at their base defense and they do not
Speaker 2: have the horses at the second level the defense to
Speaker 2: play base coverage. They just don't. So eighteen point one
Speaker 2: yards per play on the season, the Patriots now have
Speaker 2: the second highest base rate in the league. On the season,
Speaker 2: they are giving up six point three yards per play
Speaker 2: in base defense. That's thirtieth in the NFL. So they
Speaker 2: are playing the second highest rate of base and they're
Speaker 2: giving up the third most yards in base So this
Speaker 2: has been going on all year. Like we've talked about
Speaker 2: this multiple times. In this game against the Rams, that
Speaker 2: happened again, Mike McDaniel. In the Miami Dolphins, they only
Speaker 2: play eleven personnel three wide receivers like twenty eight percent
Speaker 2: of the time. They are not a three wide receiver team.
Speaker 2: They're a Shanahan team. They're a twelve personnel team or
Speaker 2: a twenty one personnel team. So Mike McDaniel is gonna
Speaker 2: put two tight ends on the field, Johnny Smith and
Speaker 2: the other dude that they play like blanking on right now,
Speaker 2: Irik Killing Jalen Waddle will be on the outside, Davon
Speaker 2: hn is going to be in the backfield, and their
Speaker 2: speed is going to be against Jolanie Devai and Christian
Speaker 2: Ellis and Anthony Jennings coming across the field. And I
Speaker 2: just don't see how that could possibly be a good
Speaker 2: game plan. Like that's just not going to work. So
Speaker 2: they've been doing this all year long with the base defense.
Speaker 2: That's item number one. They got to get out of base.
Speaker 3: Do you think some of that is just and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that looks if it's not working, you got
Speaker 3: to adjust out of it. And this goes back to
Speaker 3: what my thought on Covington in this game. Regardless of
Speaker 3: what you think of the game play and going in,
Speaker 3: it didn't work and they needed to adjust out of it.
Speaker 3: Do you think some of it is lack of availability.
Speaker 3: They've been banged up at corner, they've been banged up
Speaker 3: at safety. Does it go to roster construction and just yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, the best way to get you know, your
Speaker 3: most trusted players on the field might be in base,
Speaker 3: even if base doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying it's right. My read on it
Speaker 2: is what you said earlier. They don't feel like they
Speaker 2: can stop the run in nickel and the first time
Speaker 2: that they played the Dolphins, they played a lot of
Speaker 2: big three safety nickel and the Dolphins. Remember in Week
Speaker 2: five they ran all over the Patriots. I think it
Speaker 2: was like one hundred and ninety yards or something like that.
Speaker 2: But again, my rebuttal to that is that, Okay, you
Speaker 2: gave up one hundred and ninety yards. How many points
Speaker 2: did you give up? You only gave up fifteen and
Speaker 2: you were a heel away from winning the game, right, So, like,
Speaker 2: even though you are struggling to stop the run in
Speaker 2: nickel defense, it's keeping the game close. Like and now
Speaker 2: they have Drake May at quarterback, you have to think
Speaker 2: that they're gonna win a game in the teens maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit easier than they would have five weeks ago,
Speaker 2: six weeks ago. So that's item number one. Got to
Speaker 2: get out of base defense item number two, And this,
Speaker 2: to me is out of anything that they did on Sunday.
Speaker 2: I still can't wrap my head around the fact that
Speaker 2: they blitzed Matthew Stafford eighteen times like that, to me
Speaker 2: is just really just not understanding the situation. Like you're
Speaker 2: going up against his sixteen year veteran in the league,
Speaker 2: and I think Stafford's elite. I think he's one of
Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in the league. When you play really
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks that are veteran guys in this league, anybody
Speaker 2: would tell you you don't blitz those types of guys.
Speaker 2: You never. You don't blitz Brady, right, You don't take
Speaker 2: guys out of coverage and blitz Brady. What was the
Speaker 2: plan for Brady? It was used four to get after him,
Speaker 2: drop seven into coverage and try to tighten up those windows.
Speaker 2: If you blitz Matthew Stafford eighteen times, he's gonna do
Speaker 2: exactly what he did in this game. It's like two
Speaker 2: and twenty yards and three touchdowns against the blitz. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just the sixty nine yard touchdown to Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: Like he was shredding them in five and six man
Speaker 2: coverage all the time. So you talked about the motion
Speaker 2: and then Pokin Nakua was just these like wide open voids.
Speaker 2: All they were doing is they were motioning Pokin Nakua
Speaker 2: across the field and they were opening voids right. They
Speaker 2: were just stretching out the Patriots zone coverage. And since
Speaker 2: the Patriots are rushing five guys and dropping six into coverage,
Speaker 2: they just didn't have enough bodies in the secondary to
Speaker 2: cover all the grass on the field, and with emotion
Speaker 2: in the formations, were stretching them out so much and
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, there's these gaping holes in
Speaker 2: these zone coverages. So a lot of what happened on Sunday,
Speaker 2: especially a lot of the Nikua yards. I would say
Speaker 2: he had one play where they were in drop eight
Speaker 2: that was a big play on Marco Wilson. But a
Speaker 2: lot of the plays that Nikua had in this game
Speaker 2: that were big chunks of yardage were because they were
Speaker 2: dropping six guys into coverage and trying to cover them
Speaker 2: with six instead of seven, and it just burned them
Speaker 2: time and time again.
Speaker 3: I mean, is that a product of Again, you're in base,
Speaker 3: you know to fly. It's not a guy you're gonna
Speaker 3: put in coverage, all right, but we need him out
Speaker 3: there to stop the runs.
Speaker 2: So when they throw lish, just blitz them. Is it
Speaker 2: a product to that? And the ones probably the one
Speaker 2: that stood out to me, And obviously, I mean I'm
Speaker 2: not alone.
Speaker 3: In saying that this was a big play. The Cooper
Speaker 3: Cup touchdown on the zero blitz. Yeah, where they bring
Speaker 3: seven and don't get home. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people maybe misunderstand what happened there, Like that's I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna say Jonathan Jones played that perfectly.
Speaker 2: He didn't.
Speaker 3: But the idea of a cover blitz, especially when you
Speaker 3: bring seven, think about it. Seven, you're leaving four in coverage,
Speaker 3: so your default leaving somebody open. Yeah, Like not like
Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna be in zone with no open
Speaker 3: you have four to cover five. What you're trying to
Speaker 3: do in that play is when you rush seven, you're
Speaker 3: trying to get in the quarterback's lap and he may
Speaker 3: throw it. He may have somebody open, but he's gonna
Speaker 3: have to throw it off his back foot or through
Speaker 3: contact or whatever. The Patriots bring seven. Not only does
Speaker 3: Stafford able to throw that clean, he has a pocket
Speaker 3: to step up into. And I go back to the
Speaker 3: play I've used to explain it super Bowl fifty three. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the zero blitz where Brandon Cooks is in a sense
Speaker 3: open if Jared Goff can get enough on that ball,
Speaker 3: but Kylevin Nooy's right in his face, he has to
Speaker 3: throw out fading away.
Speaker 2: It's a duck.
Speaker 3: It's fifteen yard short. Steff On Gilmour's right there. So
Speaker 3: you look at where Jonathan Jones is. If they actually
Speaker 3: get to Stafford, he has to throw that off his
Speaker 3: back foot. Jonathan Jones probably, if he even gets that far,
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones probably knocks it down like he's in a
Speaker 3: decent enough position.
Speaker 2: To play that. You to say that, well, you know
Speaker 2: Stafford had well they Stafford had times he hit a
Speaker 2: pocket on a plane, which he's not supposed to have
Speaker 2: a pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, based on the defensive call. So it's not just
Speaker 3: how much they're blitzing, it's how much they're blitzing and
Speaker 3: not getting any impact from the blitz. It would be
Speaker 3: one thing like you talk about, don't blitz Stafford that much? Sure, Well,
Speaker 3: if you're getting a ton of pressure and he's uncomfortable
Speaker 3: and you're knocking him around, you're moving him off his spot.
Speaker 3: That's one thing, you know, to blitz that heavy. And
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, well he beat us a couple
Speaker 3: times when we were getting to him and we were
Speaker 3: trying to wear him down. They had six pressures, three
Speaker 3: quarterback hits. So it's not so much to me just
Speaker 3: how much they blitzed. It's how much they blitzed without success.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how ineffective the blitzer are. It's a really good point.
Speaker 2: And I remember in twenty nineteen, first half of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Remember how much Cover zero they were running that year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like the whole thing. It was the whole thing,
Speaker 2: the Boogeyman. It was insane. And they had to find
Speaker 2: Gilmore to take number ones one on one so they
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily need to give him help and all that.
Speaker 2: And I remember talking into the in the locker room
Speaker 2: with the McCarty's actually, and I don't remember if it
Speaker 2: was Devin or Jason, but one of them said to me,
Speaker 2: if we're gonna run Cover zero, we better get home, right.
Speaker 2: It was like that's the thing with Cover zero, Like
Speaker 2: if you are going to run it like us and
Speaker 2: the like. You know, we always say to the guys
Speaker 2: up front when we're in the back, like if we're
Speaker 2: gonna run cover zero, then you guys better get pressure
Speaker 2: on the quarterback. Otherwise it's gonna be a big play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that play right there is a perfect example. I
Speaker 2: thought Jonathan Jones's leverage was poor, you know, like he
Speaker 2: set up outside of Cooper Cup when he really should
Speaker 2: have said up inside. Because when you play cover zero,
Speaker 2: you think that in breakers, slants things like that are
Speaker 2: gonna be the beater to that. Or you're trying to
Speaker 2: play the hot round, right, So you're trying to play
Speaker 2: exactly you're trying to play the hot and by taking
Speaker 2: away the middle of the field and try to force
Speaker 2: him to throw like a fade or something down the
Speaker 2: sideline to beat you inside, get more arm. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: say your point about them not getting home is the
Speaker 2: more important. Yeah. Again, it's not.
Speaker 3: Actually Jonathan Jones did not play well. He had that
Speaker 3: one pass break up late, So it's not excuses.
Speaker 2: But like I saw a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people be like, why is Jonathan Jones on the
Speaker 3: field in that spot? The issue on that play is
Speaker 3: not where Jonathan Jones was or his assignment whether or
Speaker 3: not you should call cover zero there. I mean, we
Speaker 3: can debate the call itself, but if you're gonna call
Speaker 3: cover zero, the quarterback should not be standing at the
Speaker 3: end of the play.
Speaker 2: Maybe he gets a throw off, but you you need
Speaker 2: to be in his face right away.
Speaker 3: You need to be knocking him down. The fact that
Speaker 3: he didn't just throw a clean but a pocket to
Speaker 3: step up into is very damning.
Speaker 2: Okay, So last point on the d because I do
Speaker 2: understand the criticism of the usage of Christian Gonzales, I
Speaker 2: might not fully. It's not that I disagree. I just
Speaker 2: I this one. I understand the logic. I don't understand
Speaker 2: the logic of butch and blitzing Matthew Stafford eighteen times
Speaker 2: like that to me is illogical, Like that doesn't There's
Speaker 2: certain things I always look at it and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: these guys are head coaches, are coordinators in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am not okay. They know more about football than
Speaker 2: I do, full stop, right, So let's ask ourselves what
Speaker 2: are they doing and is there a football reason for
Speaker 2: them doing that. I can understand what they were trying
Speaker 2: to accomplish with Gonzales. I can understand what they were
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish with blitzing Stafford eighteen times or playing
Speaker 2: as much base defense as they did. To me, there's
Speaker 2: no football explanation for that, the Gonzales stuff. The biggest
Speaker 2: thing that I reason why I can understand what they
Speaker 2: are trying to accomplish is that the Rams use a
Speaker 2: lot of motion, and they use a lot of ugly
Speaker 2: or nasty bunches, which means that they're in tight to
Speaker 2: the formation. Right. So what they're trying to do with
Speaker 2: all of that is play is caused traffic, tru cause chaos,
Speaker 2: try to pick man coverage defenders off, like all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. When you play teams that do that,
Speaker 2: like the Rams, and do it at a high level,
Speaker 2: it's very very difficult to shadow and it's very very
Speaker 2: difficult to play conventional man coverage. I'll give you an
Speaker 2: example beyond just Gonzales. If you watch the film of
Speaker 2: this game, back when the Rams are in their bunches,
Speaker 2: the Patriots played box rules out of the bunch, right,
Speaker 2: there'd be four Patriots and it's just first in first out,
Speaker 2: second in second out. Right, That's how you sort of
Speaker 2: sort it out of the box. When the Patriots play
Speaker 2: other teams in box or in a bunch coverage, they
Speaker 2: a lot of the times they play lock and level,
Speaker 2: which instead is is I'm locked into my man, but
Speaker 2: I'm at different levels so that we don't get picked off. Right.
Speaker 2: So you have one guy on the line a scrimmage,
Speaker 2: another guy's like two or three yards behind him, and
Speaker 2: another guy's like two to three yards behind him. But
Speaker 2: I have this guy, you have that guy, you have
Speaker 2: that guy. Against the Rams, they made a very concerted
Speaker 2: effort to zone off bunches because they knew that that
Speaker 2: McVeigh was just gonna switch release and cause all sorts
Speaker 2: of chaos to their man coverage. So in theory, I
Speaker 2: understood what they were going for by let's just play sides.
Speaker 2: Whoever comes out your side is who you cover. The
Speaker 2: problem is, as the course of the game went on,
Speaker 2: McVeigh caught on to what they were doing, and then
Speaker 2: he was just motioning Nikua away from Christian Gonzales, and
Speaker 2: that's when they started to get themselves into trump or
Speaker 2: just even setting up.
Speaker 3: I mean, there were a couple of times, the big
Speaker 3: one in the red zone where it's two tight ends
Speaker 3: to one side, three receivers.
Speaker 2: The other tight ends are on the Gonzales side. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the red zone stuff wasn't great in between the twenties.
Speaker 2: I am okay with what they did. The red zone
Speaker 2: stuff was a little bit more.
Speaker 3: So this is and this goes back to my point,
Speaker 3: and again it's about adjustments. I understand the thought process
Speaker 3: behind it. But like you said, McVeigh caught on yeah
Speaker 3: and answered right, okay, so now what's your counter to
Speaker 3: his counter? And it didn't feel like the Patriots had one, right,
Speaker 3: It felt like they just totally stuck with us. So,
Speaker 3: you know, especially a team like this, you want to
Speaker 3: come out, try something new. Find you know, you're three
Speaker 3: and seven, right right, sure, try something new. This is
Speaker 3: how we think we.
Speaker 2: Have to play him.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna jump on them too much for that,
Speaker 3: but when it's clearly not working, you need to change it.
Speaker 2: And that's what stood out to me.
Speaker 3: Like Dard Mayo said, I don't remember if it was
Speaker 3: after the game or Monday morning, one of his postgame
Speaker 3: press conferences, said like, you know, we have plans, and
Speaker 3: we're always open to changing plans. I didn't outside of
Speaker 3: a handful of snaps in the second half. I didn't
Speaker 3: there was no big picture adjustment. Let me put it
Speaker 3: that way. There was no big picture. This isn't working.
Speaker 3: We need to do something about it. Because you can
Speaker 3: have a guy you know you can have and again
Speaker 3: the terminology you probably know better than me. You can
Speaker 3: shadow a guy just in terms of where he's lining
Speaker 3: up and then play zone from there, like you know,
Speaker 3: all right, Well, in the Kuza this side Gonzalez is
Speaker 3: gonna go. There have adjustments, right if emotions is what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do to try to keep Gonzalez on at
Speaker 3: least the side of one of the wide receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: once it got to a certain point in that game
Speaker 3: where Naku and Cup, through motion or not, we're both
Speaker 3: on the same side of the formation, Gonzalez was on
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 2: Defensively, that should not have happened. Yeah, they had a
Speaker 2: lot of times when Gonzalz ended up basically on DeMarcus Robinson,
Speaker 2: who like isn't a bad player by the way, I
Speaker 2: should say, he's not Cooper Cupp or Puka Nikua, but
Speaker 2: he's not. He's a decent receiver in this league. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean it's hit a while off touchdown against them.
Speaker 3: It's the old BILLI ism. If to go ahead and
Speaker 3: beat us with DeMarcus Robinson, yeah, go ahead. If the
Speaker 3: Marcus Robinson goes for six and one hundred, you played
Speaker 3: a good game, We'll put our hands up and give
Speaker 3: you credit back. I get paid paid too. You're not
Speaker 3: beating us with Cooper Cup. You're not beating us with Pukukua.
Speaker 3: That should have been the approach.
Speaker 2: I totally hear that, And although I hear the point
Speaker 2: too that in theory, like the other thing that you
Speaker 2: hear a lot of wolve is just double one of
Speaker 2: them out and put Zalez on the other guy, that
Speaker 2: type of stuff doesn't happen as much as you would think,
Speaker 2: like true dedicated doubles. The only game plans that I
Speaker 2: remember over the last couple of years handful of years
Speaker 2: where Bill actually double the guy consistently was when they
Speaker 2: played Minnesota on Thanksgiving. They get it to Justin Jefferson
Speaker 2: half a dozen at least, maybe even more with Jonathan
Speaker 2: Jones and a safety over the top, and then Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill in the AFC Championship game in twenty eighteen or
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen year or twenty a Seasoney eighteen season. Yep,
Speaker 2: those were the only two times in the last since
Speaker 2: I've been covering the team where I remember distinctly that
Speaker 2: game plan was, we're doubling this guy out of this game.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't happen as frequently as you think. And
Speaker 2: just to go back to the McVeigh thing. The other
Speaker 2: issue with doubling or bracketing coverage when you played teams
Speaker 2: a motion as much as the Rams do, that causes
Speaker 2: all sorts of chaos about the double teams, right, Like
Speaker 2: if they're going to motion the at the snap on
Speaker 2: like a missile motion, and he's gonna come across the formation,
Speaker 2: do both guys go with him? Do you try to
Speaker 2: switch it off? Right? You know? Does that the safety
Speaker 2: on the left side of the field pass it to
Speaker 2: the right side of the field? Like how are you
Speaker 2: handling all those different types of things? Look, it's a
Speaker 2: really good scheme that they played against. And this is why, right,
Speaker 2: Like these types of pretzels that they put you in
Speaker 2: defensively is why McVeigh is McVeigh. Where does this come from?
Speaker 3: By the way, because Bill used that defensive strategy of
Speaker 3: ason two double one, Yeah, for years and years and
Speaker 3: years and coaches figure how to figure out way to count.
Speaker 2: It and that's kind of what they saw. So last
Speaker 2: thing on the defense, then I know we want to
Speaker 2: move along here. Well it's a compliment, Sandwich, So you
Speaker 2: got to come back around, Tom. So here's sort of
Speaker 2: my compliment. All right. It's not a compliment, but it's
Speaker 2: more of like a this is an open face compliment Sandwich. Yes,
Speaker 2: speaking of sandwiches, we need you to address something a
Speaker 2: little bit. But okay, that's fair. It's not a compliment, sandwich.
Speaker 2: Person address it on people. But this is no okay,
Speaker 2: but this is my this is my patience right now
Speaker 2: trying to come in. DeMarcus Covington is a first year,
Speaker 2: first time NFL defensive coordinator in play caller. For my money,
Speaker 2: he might have just went up against the best offensive
Speaker 2: play caller in the NFL and he got taken behind
Speaker 2: the woodshed. It's a learning experience, like it happens right,
Speaker 2: Like McVeigh is McVeigh for a reason. He's tremendous, Like
Speaker 2: he does this to a lot of people. This is
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington's the West Coast coach. Sure, this is DeMarcus
Speaker 2: Covington's first time doing this, so I'm willing to give
Speaker 2: him some grace. But with that being said, these are
Speaker 2: trends that I've been talking about all year long, and
Speaker 2: I do really start to worry about the chops on
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the football, and I would like
Speaker 2: to think that Gerrod Mayo could take more ownership and
Speaker 2: fix some of these things. Like, for example, at halftime,
Speaker 2: how do they how don't you call off the dogs? Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How do you not say to DeMarcus Comington at halftime, Hey, DeMarcus,
Speaker 2: let's not blitz. Matthew Stafford, he's shredding us. Every time
Speaker 2: we blitz, it's backfiring the first or second player. The
Speaker 2: third quarter is a sixty nine yard touchdown on an
Speaker 2: all out blitz, right Like? How is that not a conversation? Hey, DeMarcus,
Speaker 2: Puka Nikua has six for one hundred and seventeen at halftime, Like,
Speaker 2: maybe we should put Christian Gonzalez on Puka Nikua, right, Like,
Speaker 2: these are the sort of adjustments that I don't see happening.
Speaker 2: And I put that on the head coach. It's not
Speaker 2: on the coordinator. It can be on the coordinator. Like
Speaker 2: if you have a really if Steve Spagnolo was defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator for the Patriots, I would expect him to do
Speaker 2: it on his bit. But it's you know, jerd me
Speaker 2: is a defensive mind head coach, so no, I think it's.
Speaker 3: Totally fair to put that on him and just projecting ahead.
Speaker 3: I think this game against Miami super education when it
Speaker 3: comes to where DeMarcus Comington's at, because this is you
Speaker 3: just got killed by motion. Yeah, you just got killed
Speaker 3: by motion and over blitzing. And now you are facing
Speaker 3: a team that motions, and now that the philosophy behind
Speaker 3: the motion is different, it's a different sort of motion.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're facing a team that motions as much
Speaker 3: more with where they ranks the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Dolphins are one in la Is too,
Speaker 2: it's by a couplets.
Speaker 3: So you're facing a team that motions more than anybody else. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're facing a quarterback into it. Do you know what
Speaker 3: his passer rating is against So his passerating outside the
Speaker 3: pocket this year is perfect?
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been really good. Extend his play. His passerating
Speaker 2: against pressure is one twenty six point two. Uh, and
Speaker 2: he's just got such a quick rule. He's been just
Speaker 2: unreal against pressure. So a guy that you you don't
Speaker 2: want to blitz because blitzing him isn't really gonna matter.
Speaker 3: Right, So here you have the two things you got
Speaker 3: wrong the most last week, handling motion and over blitzing.
Speaker 3: Ye and those two things are going to be at
Speaker 3: the forefront of game planning for Miami. Yep, great opportun
Speaker 3: tunity for DeMarcus Covington to show, all right, last week,
Speaker 3: I was a rookie, I got my You know, he's
Speaker 3: not new to the NFL, but you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: welcome to the NFL coordinator. Moment I learned I fixed it.
Speaker 3: Great opportunity for him to show that. Or do we
Speaker 3: come on here next week and say, wow, he learned
Speaker 3: nothing against the Rams.
Speaker 2: It may not be it. Yeah, it's a great point,
Speaker 2: and that's what I'm willing to allow for some grace.
Speaker 3: But well, I think I guess to that, like sometime
Speaker 3: we've been doing this with Drake may about the turnovers, right,
Speaker 3: or just in general the team growing the receivers. It's
Speaker 3: you're not gonna get immediate answers to some of this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's gonna take a little longer. This is a unique
Speaker 3: one where I'm not saying that this game is make
Speaker 3: or break for DeMarcus Covington, but you're gonna get a
Speaker 3: pretty i mediate answer on how well he adjusts after
Speaker 3: getting his lunch handed to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point. And today, earlier today, oz
Speaker 2: Vann Pelt was asked about the Patriots rookie receivers Jalen
Speaker 2: Polk and jay Von Baker and said, we're not really
Speaker 2: rookies anymore. I would say the same thing about the coaches,
Speaker 2: Like you've coached eleven games now at some point in
Speaker 2: time where you have to start to see some of
Speaker 2: these rookie mistakes on the coaching staff as well, Like
Speaker 2: those things have to get out of their system too,
Speaker 2: and you got to get these guys ready to play.
Speaker 2: Like we said it in Chicago, we gave them their
Speaker 2: flowers after the Bears game because they were ready to play.
Speaker 2: They had a good plan, they were ready to play
Speaker 2: on both sides of the football. They won a football game.
Speaker 2: It went backwards this week on the defensive side at least,
Speaker 2: where we I feel like we came out of this
Speaker 2: game and said the coaches lost them a game. You
Speaker 2: win games with the players, you lose games with the coaches, right,
Speaker 2: and this week against the Rams, it felt like the
Speaker 2: coaches lost them the game on the defensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball. One other thing I'll give DeMarcus Covington, and
Speaker 2: then we got to wrap this. One of the bigger
Speaker 2: guys that was responsible for all of the breakdowns in
Speaker 2: the first half especially is no longer on the team,
Speaker 2: and that's Marco Wilson. Marco Wilson and I wanted to
Speaker 2: segue into three up, three down. Anyways, I had Marco
Speaker 2: Wilson as my number one down. But then they the
Speaker 2: team it was it was bad, like I was as bad.
Speaker 2: Like he looked like he was out of the line
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: And you kind of saw it coming in like they
Speaker 3: were gonna need a bigger corner, right, So all right, Gonzales.
Speaker 3: We didn't think Gonzal's gonna be covering Robinson, but yeah,
Speaker 3: Gonzals take one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones has looked like he's maybe lost a step.
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones I actually thought had like a sneaky, decent
Speaker 3: game for what it was, but five eight against these
Speaker 3: receivers in tough, tough ask. Yeah, and then Yeah, Marc
Speaker 3: Wilson had been great. I was surprised didn't activate Alex
Speaker 3: Austin before the game. Yeah, and I wonder if they
Speaker 3: regretted not doing so after all right.
Speaker 2: Three up, three down? Yep? Good segue is who's your
Speaker 2: number one up in this game? All right? Victory lap
Speaker 2: time Kendrick Bourne. Yeah, there you go. I can't believe
Speaker 2: we've done this. Stop.
Speaker 3: I can't believe we've done this three years in a row.
Speaker 3: Where Kendrick Bourne, yeah, shows he's a good football player.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Patriots coaching staff, for whatever usually petty reason, disagrees
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne gets benched. They roll through the rest of
Speaker 3: their receivers, none of whom show anything close to what
Speaker 3: Kendrick Born can do. Eventually they're forced to go back
Speaker 3: to Kendrick Bourne. And wouldn't you know it, He's an
Speaker 3: electric playmaker and the offense as a whole looks better
Speaker 3: with Kendrick Bourne on the field. I understand the if
Speaker 3: you have the best bad story about every roommate you've
Speaker 3: ever had, you're probably the bad roommate.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 3: I think Kendrick Bourne is the exception. People point out, like,
Speaker 3: all right, you know three coaching staffs. He got benched
Speaker 3: all three times. I think Kendrick Borrn's the exception in
Speaker 3: that rule. I actually think the promise coaching staffs because
Speaker 3: is Kendrick Born perfect.
Speaker 2: No, he's not.
Speaker 3: He runs some bad routes, he takes some bad penalties.
Speaker 3: But one, how exactly has these have these last three
Speaker 3: coaching staffs, and I acknowledge their different staffs, how have they
Speaker 3: done with evaluating wide receiver talent as a whole y?
Speaker 2: That's fair?
Speaker 3: And two, they can't exactly be picky when it comes
Speaker 3: to who they're putting on the field at receiver. For
Speaker 3: the bumps in the road that exists with Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 3: every time he's out, he looks like they're best receiver.
Speaker 3: He's on a thousand yard pace in twenty one before
Speaker 3: he got COVID. We saw remember in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: we got benched in the opener. We played two plays,
Speaker 3: they were both like twenty plus yard completions, and then
Speaker 3: we didn't see him again for a month. Last year,
Speaker 3: same thing. Now here we go again this year. He's
Speaker 3: their leading receiver in his return and you know what,
Speaker 3: at this point, he's closer to thirty he's coming off
Speaker 3: of torn acl so maybe they just totally burned the
Speaker 3: upside that he had and that would suck. But Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 3: I still want them gonna go ge Dk Metcalf. But
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne is a damn good player. He's a good receiver.
Speaker 3: He should be on the field. He proved it on
Speaker 3: Sunday and I truly believe he'll continue to prove it
Speaker 3: the rest of the year.
Speaker 2: I got Doso's a good ram. Yeah. I just can't
Speaker 2: believe this is the third time. So Kendrick Borne is
Speaker 2: my number two UK. So I'll just jump the shark
Speaker 2: hair on that it saw it jumps sharkans. God damn,
Speaker 2: don't jump the shark jump don't do you know what
Speaker 2: Jump Felger did this last week? Do you know what
Speaker 2: jumped the shark one?
Speaker 3: Okay, no, because you used it there in like a
Speaker 3: really bad way to use it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you didn't offend anybody. It's it's more just
Speaker 2: like a jinx Oh no, sorry KB. So no, no,
Speaker 2: you didn't chinx KB you jinxed us?
Speaker 3: Oh no, so jump the shark is Happy Days is
Speaker 3: a very popular TV show in the seventies, right, But
Speaker 3: you know as most TV shows do, even if you
Speaker 3: have a good run, you kind of run out of ideas.
Speaker 3: So at one point later in the run, they had
Speaker 3: an episode a plot point where the main character jumps
Speaker 3: the shark on skis, and it was so.
Speaker 2: Was it the fawns?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, So it's so like, not in the
Speaker 3: character of the show.
Speaker 2: It's just out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: So that's when everybody was like, happy Days was over
Speaker 3: when he jumped the shark. So when you say something
Speaker 3: jumps the shark, it's mainly about TV shows, it means
Speaker 3: it's not good anymore.
Speaker 2: It's forcing it, it's over. No, right, we do not
Speaker 2: do not You should not jump the shark. We do
Speaker 2: not want to jump the shark. That is a horrible
Speaker 2: thing to say about a show, or a person or anybody.
Speaker 2: We do not want to be You meant they jumped
Speaker 2: the gun. Jump the gun, thank you. We should not
Speaker 2: be jumping the shark. If Catch twenty two jumps the shark,
Speaker 2: you listeners need to let us know because I do
Speaker 2: not want that to happen. And look, we've been at this,
Speaker 2: going back to the CLNS days for close to ten
Speaker 2: years now, so it's something we need to be aware
Speaker 2: of let's not jump the shark please. For ten years now,
Speaker 2: you've probably been correcting me on my use of idioms
Speaker 2: because I'm terrible at it. Okay, I don't know that one.
Speaker 2: That one is like you understand why I had to
Speaker 2: stop at that. I mean, jump the gun. Please, please
Speaker 2: do not jump. Okay. It's so weird because that we
Speaker 2: did a whole They were with Felder last week on
Speaker 2: idioms because of jump the shark. Anyways, you know where
Speaker 2: you know where? Give somebody the cold shoulder comes from?
Speaker 2: No back in like old timey England. Yeah, they would.
Speaker 3: If you had a guess at your house he wanted
Speaker 3: them to leave. A polite way to ask them to
Speaker 3: leave was to give them a cold cut of shoulder meat.
Speaker 2: It was how you told him to leave. So give
Speaker 2: somebody the cold shoulder.
Speaker 3: That's disgusting, it's it's fascinating, it's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: So anyways, Kennrick Borden was my number two up, so
Speaker 2: I'll just talk about him now since you brought him
Speaker 2: up first. I talked to KB today in the locker
Speaker 2: room actually, and he just said that you know, first
Speaker 2: of all, he got benched, and when you get bench.
Speaker 2: That definitely snaps you into focus, right like that, that'll
Speaker 2: do it. So he responded really well to that. I
Speaker 2: just thought he was so much more precise and detailed
Speaker 2: this week with his routes, with his timing, like where
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be on the field, his conversions,
Speaker 2: like all of that stuff was just so much better
Speaker 2: than it was. You know, the even on the back
Speaker 2: shoulder throw in the two minute. I know it didn't
Speaker 2: end the way they wanted it to, but like that's
Speaker 2: a play with the chemistry and the timing with Drake
Speaker 2: that I just don't know would have been there a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. It wasn't. In Tennessee, they threw
Speaker 2: a really similar play and was almost intercepted. The couple
Speaker 2: of those spot routes that he ran. Out of those
Speaker 2: concepts in the bunch, like just catch the ball on
Speaker 2: him up the field. Yards after catch, like I believe
Speaker 2: he had twenty six yards after the catch in this
Speaker 2: game felt like more. But that's what PFF had to
Speaker 2: say about it. So just much more detailed, much more
Speaker 2: crisp with his routes. I thought he was awesome in
Speaker 2: this game. And if they get that version of Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 2: Moving forward, They're in good shape. Who's number two?
Speaker 3: Number two for me was sticking with the pass catchers.
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry.
Speaker 3: Kind of talked about him already just in that safety
Speaker 3: blanket roll. All of minor pass catchers, by the way,
Speaker 3: all my ups pretty much everything I said before.
Speaker 2: About Hunter Henry. He was good in this game. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I almost had him too. I had him in Pop
Speaker 2: Douglass honorable mentions on this list. I just thought Hunter
Speaker 2: Henry he missed one key block and the third and
Speaker 2: one play that they almost went for it on fourth down,
Speaker 2: and then Polk jumps off side to play before that
Speaker 2: he missed the block, and then Douglas obviously was in
Speaker 2: on the interception that end of the game. So I
Speaker 2: couldn't completely put them on the ups, but I thought
Speaker 2: both of them were on the whole. We're really good
Speaker 2: in this game. My number one up though, to go
Speaker 2: back to that was I'm gonna do I'm gonna pull
Speaker 2: you ready for this, Yeah, I'm gonna pull you right now.
Speaker 2: Drake May for the first fifty eight minutes of the game. Okay,
Speaker 2: so fair enough, So Drake May for the first fifty
Speaker 2: eight minutes of the game, was what was the best
Speaker 2: game that I have charted for Patriots quarterback since Mac Jones'
Speaker 2: rookie season against Cleveland, which was just a hell of
Speaker 2: a game that Mac played that that day. Drake May
Speaker 2: had fifteen plus plays to three minus plays. That's a
Speaker 2: plus twelve net if you don't if you're not good
Speaker 2: at math. For me, through the first fifty eight minutes,
Speaker 2: just excellent, like on time in rhythm, instructure, playmaking from
Speaker 2: the pocket, I manipulation, hot concepts, seeing blitzes, getting the
Speaker 2: football out on time accurately to the first two levels
Speaker 2: of the field like that, I think is the one
Speaker 2: thing that has really really improved in his game. From
Speaker 2: the Houston game to now Houston game. He had some sprays,
Speaker 2: remember like you know, just throwing behind guys or throwing
Speaker 2: high over the middle of the Pop Douglas. In this game,
Speaker 2: he was His accuracy at the first two levels of
Speaker 2: the defense was excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent, really come a
Speaker 2: long way in that regard as a passer, and that
Speaker 2: to me tells me that he's really on his way.
Speaker 2: Once they get guys on the outside that can win
Speaker 2: down the field for him, the deep ball will come like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's Drake May forgetting how to
Speaker 2: throw the deep ball. We know we can throw it deep.
Speaker 2: What we didn't know is if he could operate on
Speaker 2: schedule in the short and intermediate passing game consistently enough
Speaker 2: to move an offense. He did that at an extremely
Speaker 2: high level. On Sunday. You still see some of the
Speaker 2: off script stuff, you know, sixteen yards scramble, the one
Speaker 2: to Henry that gets negated. Even though that got wiped
Speaker 2: out by penalty, I still count that as a plus
Speaker 2: play for Drake May. It still happened. It just didn't happen,
Speaker 2: and it didn't count some of the he made in
Speaker 2: this game to just throw the ball away or check
Speaker 2: it down. I thought he was really patient throughout the
Speaker 2: entire game as well, and didn't put the ball in
Speaker 2: harm's way often other than the strip sack, which I
Speaker 2: kind of put on him. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I thought that was really his only turnover worthy play
Speaker 2: in this game. Just in general, I thought for the
Speaker 2: first fifty eight minutes he was electric. I thought he
Speaker 2: was excellent for that start. So Drake May for the
Speaker 2: first fifty eight minutes, and I think you can see
Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, but it was your last.
Speaker 3: I think he was pretty good similar Pop Douglas minus
Speaker 3: the last play. Yeah, I thought Pop Douglass was did
Speaker 3: a really good job in this game, creating after the catch,
Speaker 3: finding holes and coverage things like that. I just thought
Speaker 3: you got a really complete effort from the Patriots pass
Speaker 3: catchers in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I know I did a lot of waxing
Speaker 2: poetic about AVP, but he was my last up on
Speaker 2: the list. I think the biggest thing that I didn't
Speaker 2: mention I mentioned the rest of this but the biggest
Speaker 2: thing that I didn't mention off the top or I
Speaker 2: kind of did, But uh, the game plan in this
Speaker 2: game to use the short and intermediate passing game against
Speaker 2: that Rams pass rush. That's what we've been talking about
Speaker 2: when we say you can scheme around weaknesses. That is
Speaker 2: scheming around a mismatch, so and protecting your offense against
Speaker 2: a mismatch.
Speaker 3: Drake may had his lowest a DOT in this game,
Speaker 3: but then he of us starts so far.
Speaker 2: So is five point six yards per attempt in the air?
Speaker 2: Air yards per pass attempt a dot? Right, But it's
Speaker 2: like seven to six, No, five point six, I thought
Speaker 2: PFF had like seven. No, where'd you find it? No?
Speaker 2: Five point six? Next gen? Okay, anyways, I finally get
Speaker 2: into using PFF and now you're like, no, you're wrong. No,
Speaker 2: I just that number is definitely not right. Uh five
Speaker 2: point six?
Speaker 3: So then wait, so if if it's that much lower
Speaker 3: PFF had bo Nix's a dot is four?
Speaker 2: What was bo Nix's Actually Okay, maybe you just were
Speaker 2: looking in their own place? Is that? Is that possible?
Speaker 2: I love how this is what we get bogged down by.
Speaker 3: No, because like I've been talking about this all week,
Speaker 3: and now I want to make sure I got a ring.
Speaker 2: I think he might have been looking at the wrong
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep going while you while.
Speaker 3: You Oh, no, I I'm remembering wrong. They have five
Speaker 3: point seven? It was five point seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the seven in my mind. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: we we've talked about this a bunch though. It's knowing
Speaker 2: where your weaknesses are and covering up and scheming around
Speaker 2: your weaknesses. Coming into this game with a lot of
Speaker 2: short and intermediate passing concepts and just understanding that Drake
Speaker 2: may just couldn't hold the ball in this game. I
Speaker 2: thought was really really smart. By the uh, the OC
Speaker 2: and and really good game planning and play calling around
Speaker 2: your deficiencies. So I had Van Pelt as my third up,
Speaker 2: and then I had honorable mentions for Hunter Henry and
Speaker 2: for Pop Douglas as well. So let's move over to
Speaker 2: the other side of the Ohix's adult last week was
Speaker 2: for oh and last honorable mention, I thought the only
Speaker 2: good player on defense in this entire game, knock Onzo's fault.
Speaker 2: His usage was why he wasn't necessarily Kean White was
Speaker 2: the only good player in this game for the Patriots
Speaker 2: defense in the front seven. He was disruptive, he had
Speaker 2: a good game. Let's go to the downs.
Speaker 3: I mean, we already did an hour on this, DeMarcus
Speaker 3: coming to number one, Yeah, we sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much more were we have to
Speaker 2: say about that at the point, as pretty self explanatory. Yep.
Speaker 2: My number one down was Marco Wilson. He's no longer
Speaker 2: on the team. I took I had four, but I
Speaker 2: took him off. Yeah, I had four too. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you get cut it kind of yeah, but I
Speaker 2: replaced him with Jonathan Jones. It wasn't that Jonathan Jones
Speaker 2: was awful in terms of where he was on every
Speaker 2: single play. They were tough, good plays by the offense,
Speaker 2: But you give up three touchdowns, you give up three toudies, right, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's gonna go on the downs Like it just wasn't
Speaker 2: very good. It wasn't good enough, Like he just wasn't
Speaker 2: quite good enough in certain spots. And then I obviously
Speaker 2: explained earlier I didn't think he played the cup touchdown.
Speaker 2: I didn't think he played a great technique on that
Speaker 2: play either in that cover zero. So I had Jonathan
Speaker 2: Jones number one.
Speaker 3: I so coming to his number one, number two, I
Speaker 3: don't put him in order, I guess. But Kyle Dugger,
Speaker 3: I just thought rough game for him, first game back
Speaker 3: for that ankle injury. He missed a couple tackles early,
Speaker 3: little slow to the spot at times. I just wonder
Speaker 3: how much that ankle injury still bothering him. He didn't
Speaker 3: look like he was one hundred.
Speaker 2: Per Yeah, yeah, that's fair. My number two downs were
Speaker 2: I combined two guys, Daniel Aqualay and Krishan Ellis combined
Speaker 2: just got absolutely gashed in the run game. Like it's
Speaker 2: just a game. And I always use this reference for
Speaker 2: corners usually, but like now the Patriots have Waldo's in
Speaker 2: the front seven, where it's just like, wherever those two
Speaker 2: guys are, we're just gonna run it right at those
Speaker 2: two guys. We're gonna run away from Godshaw, We're gonna
Speaker 2: run away from Farms, We're gonna run away from Jennings,
Speaker 2: We're gonna run away from Tavai, and we're gonna put
Speaker 2: Ellis and we're gonna put a quality at the point
Speaker 2: of attack and we're gonna come right at him. And
Speaker 2: they just could not stop the run. Daniel Aqualay is
Speaker 2: a really fine rotational pass rusher, Like if you're playing
Speaker 2: him situationally, you can get by with him on the
Speaker 2: field and he can actually be disruptive on the pass rush.
Speaker 2: But they have to hope it doesn't look like Dietrich
Speaker 2: Wise is coming back. He hasn't practiced the last two days.
Speaker 2: Whether it's Jacquelin Roy, it's a bigger role for Christian
Speaker 2: Barmore on early downs now that he's getting back in
Speaker 2: the fold. Either way, they have to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to get Daniel Qualley off the field on rundowns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, next left side of the offensive line. So Darian
Speaker 3: Lowe had two very costly penalties. One of those penalties
Speaker 3: the illegal formation one. Michael He's lining up based on
Speaker 3: where Michael Jordan is, and Michael Jordan's not lined up correctly.
Speaker 3: So right, on one hand, you look at low and say,
Speaker 3: look down the line, realize he's not lined up, give
Speaker 3: me a tablet him.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, you know he shouldn't have to
Speaker 3: worry about where other guys are lined up. This is
Speaker 3: the NFL. You should just be able to trust that
Speaker 3: guy's lined up correctly. Not Jordan's worst game in the
Speaker 3: last few weeks, but certainly not one of his best.
Speaker 3: And Darian Low two just got beat a few times,
Speaker 3: so not a great day for either of those two.
Speaker 2: So I had Michael Jordan as my last one. I
Speaker 2: am with you on this. This has been trending, I
Speaker 2: would say, with Michael Jordan, and we're now at the
Speaker 2: point where we're talking about Cole strange Citiso has also
Speaker 2: not been good when they've given him opportunities to play
Speaker 2: guard so far, so maybe he's not the answer. But
Speaker 2: they pretty much can't run behind Michael Jordan like they
Speaker 2: just every time they run behind him, he's given up
Speaker 2: stuffs left and right. I had him with five run
Speaker 2: stuffs allowed in this game, just getting bodied, like upper
Speaker 2: body strain just not there, right, They just can't really
Speaker 2: sustain blocks. It's not so much that I think that
Speaker 2: he's bad in the initial setup of the block. I
Speaker 2: actually think that he gets on the guy pretty well.
Speaker 2: He just can't sustain it, Like he just gets thrown
Speaker 2: off blocks too much. So I had him as a down.
Speaker 2: I didn't think Ben Brown was great in this game either,
Speaker 2: but I give him some leeway because he's a practice
Speaker 2: squad guy that's being forced to start.
Speaker 3: At this point, I think it's game on between Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan Ben who's gonna play well enough to save their
Speaker 3: job because Cole Strange's coming from one of those two spots.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed. I believe that they're trying, and this coaching
Speaker 2: staff said it earlier with Van Pelt. I believe that
Speaker 2: they want Strange to play center. That's where his main
Speaker 2: focus is been in practice now. He said that that's
Speaker 2: mostly because he knows guard so well that he doesn't
Speaker 2: really need to care or focus as much on guard mentally, right,
Speaker 2: Like he kind of knows what he's doing there. But
Speaker 2: I'm with you. As soon as Cole Strange is healthy,
Speaker 2: as soon as he's ready to go and is ramped
Speaker 2: up enough to play, I think he's going in. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna be at Garter Center, but
Speaker 2: he's gonna play.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's gonna be dictated by you know,
Speaker 3: however long it is the next week or two. What
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan shows you and what Cole Strange shows.
Speaker 2: You fair enough. So you had four two you said
Speaker 2: I had. The fourth one was Marco Wilson, but I
Speaker 2: took him off because he got cut. So my last
Speaker 2: one is Drake May for the last two plays of
Speaker 2: the game. Okay, So I had fifty eight minutes of
Speaker 2: awesome for Drake May. I had two minutes of not
Speaker 2: so good from Drake May. The sack before the interception
Speaker 2: might have been worse than the interception from his point
Speaker 2: of view, I agree with that he took a really
Speaker 2: bad sack. He had Kishan Boody on the outside dig route.
Speaker 2: It's like double dig right inside dig outside dig, and
Speaker 2: you're just reading the safety in the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: If the safety jumps the inside, you throw the outside.
Speaker 2: If the safety stays deep, you throw the inside, like
Speaker 2: it's just reading that one player in the middle of
Speaker 2: the field. They buzzed it so they closed it right,
Speaker 2: it was two and then they closed the field and
Speaker 2: he had Kaishan Boody coming out of the break on
Speaker 2: the dig. If he hits that, it's probably like a
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty yard game and they're right around the
Speaker 2: fifty at that point if he hits that throw. So
Speaker 2: that was a bad sack. And then the interception. I
Speaker 2: heard AVP today he kind of put it more on
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. It sounded like for not knowing when to
Speaker 2: sit in the void and look for the football. But
Speaker 2: I thought the throw was high anyways, Like he's a
Speaker 2: five foot hit receiver, so in order for Pop Douglas,
Speaker 2: Like maybe if Pop Douglas gets his head around in time,
Speaker 2: he saves an interception by just getting a hand on
Speaker 2: the ball, maybe for him to catch it. Like I
Speaker 2: if it was Hunter Henry, I would say, okay, six
Speaker 2: foot five, like he probably would have caught it five
Speaker 2: foot eight Pop Douglas, Like that's a floor. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure Pop Douglas can climb to. So I put half
Speaker 2: in half. I split the baby just along the lines
Speaker 2: with Drake May that was the right one, right, I
Speaker 2: split the baby split the difference, but anyways, no, not
Speaker 2: split what Yeah, I don't think he used that correctly.
Speaker 2: I think I did.
Speaker 3: But along the lines with Drake Man Alex van Pell
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting today because I've talked a
Speaker 3: lot about limiting the interceptions, right, what does that look like?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: You find it interesting today?
Speaker 3: Alex van Pelt actually gave us a number, and I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a bad number. Ten if finished the
Speaker 3: year with less than ten interceptions, So he's gonna make
Speaker 3: what is it gonna be? Thirteen starts right, yeah, sixteen, seventeen, No,
Speaker 3: let's eleven starts, eleven, twelve starts, twelve eleven, foll starts
Speaker 3: not gludeing Jets game, so math ten in orce and
Speaker 3: eleven starts.
Speaker 2: He's at six right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, if that's a good number, If he
Speaker 3: can finish there, I'd feel really good.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I had kind of said, you know, six games left
Speaker 3: six or few I think I said it on the
Speaker 3: show last week, six games left six or fewer interceptions
Speaker 3: for Drake May and all feel really good about where
Speaker 3: he's at turnover wise ten interceptions. That's the number now,
Speaker 3: I thought was interesting. Glex main Pelt gave like a
Speaker 3: specific number for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the strip sack I've also put. I put
Speaker 2: like half of each turnover on on Drake. So the
Speaker 2: strip sack, he's trying to hit kish On Boody as
Speaker 2: like the ISO receiver on the play on the three
Speaker 2: by one, and like he's expecting Kaishan Boody to run
Speaker 2: like a stop route. He probably had nine steps and
Speaker 2: then just kind of break out of it and he's
Speaker 2: just gonna hit him right out of the break, and
Speaker 2: he just hesitates. I think Booty wasn't really winning on
Speaker 2: the route and wasn't giving him a whole lot of
Speaker 2: confidence to make that throw. But that's one of those
Speaker 2: throws on third day that you probably just try to
Speaker 2: throw like a back shoulder where it's like Booty or
Speaker 2: nobody right like and just kind of live with the
Speaker 2: incompletion on that play just to avoid the disaster of
Speaker 2: a turnover. So I put half of that on him,
Speaker 2: even though Booty wasn't really open. You have to just
Speaker 2: throw the ball somewhere right like, you can't just and
Speaker 2: it was a really really fast sack. But you have
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to Booty, just throw it outside
Speaker 2: of his outside shoulder, on the back shoulder, and if
Speaker 2: it goes out, it sails out of bounds. It sails
Speaker 2: out of bounds, right like, and you put the ball
Speaker 2: and you play field position and whatever. So that turnover
Speaker 2: I put half on Drake and then I mentioned the interception.
Speaker 2: But outside of that, there was really only one other
Speaker 2: play that I had like a really big ripe with.
Speaker 2: It was a zero, all out blitz by the Rams
Speaker 2: in the red zone. They just sent the house on
Speaker 2: a third down in the red zone and Drake May
Speaker 2: just kind of panic threw it out of the back
Speaker 2: of the end zone a little bit, and if he
Speaker 2: had just stayed with the play and stayed a little
Speaker 2: bit more poised, he had Pop Douglas on the slant
Speaker 2: for a walking touchdown, right like, Pop just separates the
Speaker 2: out of the bunch and he's he's gonna walk in
Speaker 2: for a touchdown. So that was just one of those
Speaker 2: plays where it was one of the few times where
Speaker 2: he didn't really see the blitz coming and was taken
Speaker 2: by surprise. Might have been the first zero he's ever
Speaker 2: seen in the NFL. Yeah, so that might have been
Speaker 2: part of it. And it goes to again the youth
Speaker 2: and growing, like next time he sees it, how does
Speaker 2: he react. That's the one thing I would say, you know,
Speaker 2: for him outside of the turnovers is red area offense.
Speaker 2: And oftentimes in the red zone everything happens a lot
Speaker 2: faster and the reds have to be a lot quicker
Speaker 2: because the space is so confined, so you have to
Speaker 2: speed up your process even more as a quarterback, So
Speaker 2: it's hard for rookie quarterbacks in the red zone. They
Speaker 2: haven't been as good in the red zone. I like that.
Speaker 2: A lot of the offensive players said that they felt
Speaker 2: like that cost them this game, Like if they get
Speaker 2: touchdowns in a lot of those situations instead of field goals,
Speaker 2: they might win this game on Sunday against the Rams,
Speaker 2: and I agree with them. There was a couple of
Speaker 2: instances where I thought that Drake may should have pulled
Speaker 2: the trigger and just didn't. Whether it was throw away,
Speaker 2: you know, scramble slash check down, really checked down with
Speaker 2: him as a scrambler and those types of situations like
Speaker 2: he's just got to be a little bit faster with
Speaker 2: it in the red zone with his decision making that
Speaker 2: will come. I also think they can help him down
Speaker 2: there by finding more ways to use his legs and
Speaker 2: incorporate his mobility, because that really eliminates a lot of
Speaker 2: that challenge. Like if you cut off half the field
Speaker 2: because you roll him out of the pocket, that's a
Speaker 2: much easier read than asking him to go through an
Speaker 2: entire progression in the red zone. Right, So just roll
Speaker 2: him out, read option, whatever you have to do to
Speaker 2: get the ball in. I think I think that type
Speaker 2: of stuff is coming. Mayo said it earlier this week
Speaker 2: that they didn't want to overload him with information now
Speaker 2: that they feel like he's doing a better job with
Speaker 2: some of the traditional stuff. I do think some of
Speaker 2: the quarterback runs are coming. We talked about this last week.
Speaker 3: It this is gonna be a big test for AVP, Like,
Speaker 3: all right, you're not running the full offense right away. Fine,
Speaker 3: you want to ease the kid in, but you need
Speaker 3: to see it continue because there's AVP the quarterback developer
Speaker 3: and AVP the play caller, and for him to stay here,
Speaker 3: you need to see the offense come a little more
Speaker 3: complex and a little more intricate. And I get and
Speaker 3: I want to do that right away. But all right,
Speaker 3: let's go chat ramping it up.
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Speaker 5: What's going on? Gentlemen?
Speaker 2: How are we doing?
Speaker 8: He am?
Speaker 5: I'm doing all right. So I just want to say, like,
Speaker 5: I know you guys have been talking about a VP
Speaker 5: and you know, just fans, these ignorant fairweather fans, need
Speaker 5: to get it through their head that this is a
Speaker 5: first year regime, like across the board, minus the owner,
Speaker 5: you know, quarterback, coach, coordinators included. All you really have
Speaker 5: to do is just lo'll get out far Drake has
Speaker 5: progressed since training camp until now, and anyone that's listened
Speaker 5: to you guys that's listened to Patriots dot Com knows
Speaker 5: that it's night and day. So I just wanted to
Speaker 5: throw that out there. First second. This will be the
Speaker 5: last time I promise I look into the future. But
Speaker 5: the more time goes on, if we're there, like if
Speaker 5: he's there when we're picking, I'm the needle is moving
Speaker 5: very far towards just picking Ted McMillan, or if he's
Speaker 5: not there, Abdul Carter and you know what this may
Speaker 5: sound crazy, like let the Darian mo play, maybe get
Speaker 5: Josh him and let him rehab and train him, you know,
Speaker 5: to be the left tackle of the future. That's kind
Speaker 5: of where I am with that, and I have I
Speaker 5: have to ask this question, are you guys doing a
Speaker 5: show next week?
Speaker 2: We are doing a show next week. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: it on Tuesday after afternoon. I think probably Round four
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, so we're gonna just move it up on
Speaker 2: Tuesday and then well, we will also have a show
Speaker 2: during the bye week as well, which is coming up too,
Speaker 2: so we'll have shows both of those weeks.
Speaker 5: Cool, all right. I'll throw some thanksgiving them questions out
Speaker 5: at you guys next week. But I really want to
Speaker 5: win this game, Evan and Alex. I want you guys
Speaker 5: to tell me what is the biggest variable for us
Speaker 5: to win this game? Because I fregain hate the Dolphins.
Speaker 5: I've always hatted the Dolphins since the Shoe La Marino days.
Speaker 5: They are my Yankees of the NFL. And I know
Speaker 5: the Jets screw up every year and that's great because
Speaker 5: I can't stand them either. But like I just I
Speaker 5: want to spin tell us how we do it. I'll
Speaker 5: take it off here, guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks bag, thanks for the call, and yeah, thanks for
Speaker 2: prompting me to tell you guys that the next next
Speaker 2: Tuesday at four is when our show is gonna be all.
Speaker 2: We'll both tweet and everything and make sure you guys
Speaker 2: are are as weare as you can be. But that's
Speaker 2: a good shout. In terms of this game against Miami,
Speaker 2: I also appreciate a little segue into the Dolphins here
Speaker 2: a little bit. I'll just be short because I know
Speaker 2: we have people that have been on hold, and then
Speaker 2: we'll get into it a little bit more in a minute.
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing to me is going back to
Speaker 2: what we were talking about with the base defense versus Nickel
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuf. If I'm the Patriots,
Speaker 2: I am begging the Dolphins to run the ball in
Speaker 2: this game. Like run it, run it, run it, like
Speaker 2: go ahead, Like go ahead and run the ball. Try
Speaker 2: try to possess it yourself. Try to elongate there, short
Speaker 2: and excuse me this game and try to get this
Speaker 2: game in the twenties. Like if the Patriots are in
Speaker 2: the twenties against the Dolphins, then I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: have a puncher's chance, just like they did last week
Speaker 2: against the Rams. It's when it gets you know, into
Speaker 2: the thirties because Tyreek Hill is hit in seventy five
Speaker 2: yard bombs from Tua. Like, that's when I get worried
Speaker 2: about this game. I don't they don't have the talent
Speaker 2: yet on offense to win a track meet against the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: So you have to make it an ugly game. Force
Speaker 2: the Dolphins be disciplined, force them to go on long
Speaker 2: drives and win the turnover battle, something they haven't been
Speaker 2: able to do. I'll say on his draft take two
Speaker 2: real quick, yep, the whole Josh Simmons thinks. Patriots fans
Speaker 2: are starting to learn about Josh Simmons and really sink
Speaker 2: their teeth in. So, Josh Simmons was left tackle Ohio State. Yeah,
Speaker 2: was having a really good year, trending towards being, you know,
Speaker 2: a top fifteen pick of left tackle, and tore his
Speaker 2: knee up. I don't remember exactly what the injury was
Speaker 2: or if that's even out there, but he's done for
Speaker 2: the season. So now Patriots fans look at that and say,
Speaker 2: there's your starting caliber left tackle you can get later. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a half measure.
Speaker 3: And maybe Josh Simmons ends up being good, but it's
Speaker 3: a half measure. You don't know that he's gonna be
Speaker 3: available next year. They can't do They've been doing half
Speaker 3: measures at left tackle for like seven or eight years now.
Speaker 3: They can't keep doing it. And the other thing about
Speaker 3: you know, letting Vederian Low continue to play again. He's
Speaker 3: been better than expected, but he hasn't been great. He's
Speaker 3: also been hurt a lot. And you know, we missed
Speaker 3: practice yesterday. We'll see what happened, what it looks like
Speaker 3: on the injury report today. He's not exactly a big
Speaker 3: body at tackle, and I think there's legitimate durability questions
Speaker 3: with him. So if you're playing to go into the
Speaker 3: season is a fringe level starter who can't stay healthy
Speaker 3: and a guy who maybe has upside but won't be
Speaker 3: ready to go right away because he's coming off torn acl.
Speaker 2: You didn't fix the position.
Speaker 3: Maybe you think you did, and if you know, you're
Speaker 3: talking yourself into that being a fix in order to
Speaker 3: draft a.
Speaker 2: Guy like Teed McMillan. You didn't fix it. Like you didn't.
Speaker 3: You're just trying to find a way to draft tech McMillan.
Speaker 3: If that's what you want to do, it to me,
Speaker 3: it's still getting aggressive taking Tech McMillan towards the top,
Speaker 3: maybe you trade down a pick or two if you can,
Speaker 3: if some of these quarterbacks show up, and then moving
Speaker 3: up and taking.
Speaker 2: A guy like Arion to Ursere I the We're gonna
Speaker 2: hear a lot, a lot a lot about Josh Simmons
Speaker 2: and Evan. You might even like him. It might be good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking a guy five months removed from a torn
Speaker 3: ACL if he enters the draft at all, and I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a junior senior, so he may
Speaker 3: not have that option. But taking a guy coming off
Speaker 3: of torn acl if he enters the draft at all,
Speaker 3: that's not solving the left tackle problem. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: they won't do it, but to me, that is not
Speaker 3: addressing the left tackle position. It's kicking the can down
Speaker 3: the road again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we have some good questions about the draft
Speaker 2: that we can get to here too in a second.
Speaker 2: But I want to Simmons a senior so he can't
Speaker 2: go back to school. But point stance, Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take Christian in La here. What's up, Christian? Hey you guys,
Speaker 2: how you doing today?
Speaker 7: Yeah? No words, Nord. I love to talk to you guys.
Speaker 7: I love the X and os as opposed to what
Speaker 7: we do more on what you guys do, more on
Speaker 7: uh Patriots and Filter. So this always gives us callers
Speaker 7: a chance to talk some actual football with the guys.
Speaker 7: So with that, with that said, I kind of wanted
Speaker 7: to in some way echo what what Patty said in
Speaker 7: terms of, hey, this is a new regime. Everyone's basically new,
Speaker 7: and you could tell that they're just experimenting. I mean,
Speaker 7: you have Alex Vampel's who gets this quarterback with superpowers,
Speaker 7: and he's sort of been increasingly nerving Drake Made's superpowers
Speaker 7: by having him throw shorter and shorter, sort of more
Speaker 7: controlled stuff, and that just reached to me like Vampel's
Speaker 7: is unsure of, you know, the receivers that he's got,
Speaker 7: all the schemes that he's got set up for Drake
Speaker 7: to throw down the field. So I was definitely you
Speaker 7: guys just for that or if it's something to truly
Speaker 7: jumped the Shark, you guys left out one crucial component,
Speaker 7: and that is the appearance of Ted McGinley. You remember
Speaker 7: whenever Ted McGinley showed up, that's the show that jumped
Speaker 7: the Shark from Happy Days to married with children in
Speaker 7: the show that he showed up on. So back to
Speaker 7: the Drake maysup. What do you guys think about that
Speaker 7: Van help butt of being just a little bit getty
Speaker 7: sort of nurfing Drake May.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Christian. And this is something
Speaker 2: that I actually wrote about in after further review, I
Speaker 2: guess maybe I'm just like a glass half full kind
Speaker 2: of guy. But the way that I looked at the
Speaker 2: game plan and the fact that Drake May isn't throwing
Speaker 2: the ball down the field quite as much as maybe
Speaker 2: his skill set would suggest, I actually think it's really
Speaker 2: smart by the coaching staff because they don't have the
Speaker 2: horses offensively to play that kind of football, Like, they
Speaker 2: don't have ball winners on the outside, they don't have
Speaker 2: a great offensive line to scheme up the deep shots.
Speaker 2: So what are they doing. They're having Drake May play
Speaker 2: on schedule Like they're not going backwards, they're going forwards.
Speaker 2: He's hitting the short and intermediate stuff. What I've been
Speaker 2: really impressed about is how good he's doing at it
Speaker 2: right And now what my feeling is is that he's
Speaker 2: really developed the short game. Like to use a golf analogy,
Speaker 2: like he's really developed his ability to put and now
Speaker 2: just wait a second until they have somebody on the
Speaker 2: outside that can win down the field. Now you're starting
Speaker 2: to see the driver too, right, Like and now here's
Speaker 2: a complete guy. Like now you can hit fairways and
Speaker 2: you can hit your putts, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you've got this complete player. That, to me, is what
Speaker 2: the goal is here. This is what we're good at
Speaker 2: right now, is the short and intermediate passing game. Because
Speaker 2: of who's around him, we're gonna nurture this part of
Speaker 2: his game or develop this part of his game. And
Speaker 2: then once we get it t Higgins, once we get
Speaker 2: at Ted McMillan, once we get a Travis Hunter, once
Speaker 2: we get a left tackle, then we can start pushing
Speaker 2: the ball down the field a little bit more because
Speaker 2: we already know he's good at that stuff. So I
Speaker 2: don't look at it as like they're trying to force
Speaker 2: Drake to play out of character or out of you know,
Speaker 2: out of his nature. I actually think that they're trying
Speaker 2: to teach him how to play quarterback and how to
Speaker 2: win in this league. Like some weeks are it's gonna take.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to win by death by a thousand
Speaker 2: paper cuts. Other weeks, you're gonna want to throw the
Speaker 2: ball down the field. It's all just about matchups, and
Speaker 2: that was something that you know, Brady was so good at.
Speaker 2: Mahomes has become excellent at it as well. Where it's
Speaker 2: not every week is gonna be four hundred yards for
Speaker 2: Patty Mahomes, right, Like some weeks, he's gonna have to
Speaker 2: play a different kind of game for them to win.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what they're trying to get through
Speaker 2: to Drake right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about this with the with the Bears game, right,
Speaker 3: being able to just point coard it. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: know that they're like nerving the things he does best.
Speaker 3: I just think that's been the matchups. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 3: see him get back to some of the more explosive stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. All right, I Riley is in California?
Speaker 2: What's up? Riley? Riley? He loop going once?
Speaker 5: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hey? Is it gone? Hey?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry about that. I was on mute.
Speaker 4: So the things here.
Speaker 6: First of all, I just want to say, I think
Speaker 6: it's pretty funny that every single show I watch, you're
Speaker 6: always apologizing to us listeners.
Speaker 5: For keeping us on hold.
Speaker 2: Evan, it's it's what we do. Still there, Hello, I
Speaker 2: think he might have needed himself again.
Speaker 4: That's been a pretty hot topic of dis.
Speaker 2: Or just still.
Speaker 9: Yesterday cat Sports or something like that, and uh mentioned
Speaker 9: how Ron Mayo is very very.
Speaker 6: Contradictory whatever he discusses von Baker in the sense that
Speaker 6: he kind of goes back and forth on his words.
Speaker 6: Like a few weeks ago, he was saying that Davon
Speaker 6: Baker is the explosive player with the ball in his hands,
Speaker 6: and they've.
Speaker 4: Got to find him ways to get the ball.
Speaker 5: And so we've obviously.
Speaker 4: Seen him implement it on you know, kick.
Speaker 9: Returns, and then last week he had that.
Speaker 4: Great forty six yard return and then obviously muffed the
Speaker 4: second hunt and tried to turtle of the Rams defender
Speaker 4: and only got sixteen yards and then was obviously pulled
Speaker 4: out of the game and benched. And then Girod Mayo
Speaker 4: following the game says, you know, he just he wasn't
Speaker 4: doing he wasn't doing it right.
Speaker 9: We just need him to do things more right.
Speaker 4: So I guess where I'm going with that is, you
Speaker 4: guys think it's actually a Keavon Baker issue, like he's
Speaker 4: just not you know, doing exit and O was right,
Speaker 4: like not running the proper route, not knowing his assignments,
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 9: Or do you think that it's.
Speaker 4: Just a Girod Mayo issue with Javon Baker derister then
Speaker 4: at the beginning when we drafted him, Mayo didn't really
Speaker 4: seem too too fond of him and had some you know,
Speaker 4: comments early on about him. So yeah, that's that's my question.
Speaker 7: Guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Riley appreciated. Look, I think the
Speaker 2: biggest thing for this coaching staff right now, and we've
Speaker 2: asked them all three guys, you know, both coordinators and
Speaker 2: and Girodd about this, Oh, this season is just weighing
Speaker 2: the pros and cons of the young guys playing. Right,
Speaker 2: You're when you play young guys, there's gonna be mistakes,
Speaker 2: but you're also trying to develop those players. And as
Speaker 2: a rebuilding team, you want to develop guys like Javanne Baker,
Speaker 2: like Jalen Polk, like jaheiem Bell, like Drake may and
Speaker 2: you want to get them out there and there's gonna
Speaker 2: be mistakes, there's gonna be turnovers, there's gonna be bad routes,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be mishandlings of football's on kick offs, all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So it's a very fine line
Speaker 2: to walk between letting the kids play, but also those
Speaker 2: mistakes lose you football games, right, So it's it's definitely difficult.
Speaker 2: It's hard to sort of say which way to go
Speaker 2: with that. I hear both sides of it. I hear
Speaker 2: the size of say you're three and eight and you
Speaker 2: should just live with the kids and let it go.
Speaker 2: And my guess is that down let's say the last
Speaker 2: month of the season, last couple games of the season
Speaker 2: and January, I do think that you'll see the kids
Speaker 2: play a lot like I think they will sort of
Speaker 2: let that happen. But right now, as crazy as it
Speaker 2: as it may be on the outside looking in, there's
Speaker 2: not really a path. But you have to coach like
Speaker 2: there's a path, right and if they're actively hurting the team,
Speaker 2: then you have to pull those players off the field. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And we've talked about what's best for Drake may versus
Speaker 2: what's best for some of the other rooks and doing
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 3: I just think with Baker could he's not picking it up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, he's not picking up. They talked about
Speaker 3: maybe not liking what he was doing on the kickoff return, so.
Speaker 2: You got to put the guy players. It helps them
Speaker 2: to develop to play.
Speaker 3: But if the guy doesn't know what he's doing, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to do much for his development, and then
Speaker 3: you're just hurting everybody else.
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't love him on kickoffs. I
Speaker 2: don't really see him as maybe I'm just have which
Speaker 2: I know is bad like logic to some extent. It
Speaker 2: just maybe it's just a forty time that's in my head.
Speaker 2: But I think he's an explosive mover, but I don't
Speaker 2: think that he's an explosive, straight line speed kind of guy,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Like I think he's twitchy, but
Speaker 2: I don't think that he is like a burner that's
Speaker 2: gonna run by people. The guy that I don't understand
Speaker 2: why doesn't they don't try him on kickoffs is Isaiah Boulden,
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand. I'm still waiting for that.
Speaker 3: Well, my my take at the beginning of the year
Speaker 3: was Kai Shan Boudi being the kick returner that he
Speaker 3: became the number one receiver.
Speaker 2: Right like I get Marcus Zones is also a name
Speaker 2: that people have thrown around, but you know Springer's explanation
Speaker 2: of like he's a smaller guy and they're trying to
Speaker 2: keep him healthy. Like if you put him on kickoffs, punts, defense,
Speaker 2: now offense, like it's spreading Marcus Jones really thin. I
Speaker 2: still think if you were in a situation where you
Speaker 2: could return a kickoff that maybe wins a game, that
Speaker 2: maybe they would put Marcus Jones back there to have that.
Speaker 2: You know, the Dolphins do that with Tyreek Hill all
Speaker 2: the time, right like, if this is a game winning situation,
Speaker 2: then we're gonna we'll put him back there. So I
Speaker 2: could see that with Marcus Jones, But I do wonder
Speaker 2: if it was active on game day. He's playing on
Speaker 2: special teams, Like why, I don't know why Isaiah Bolden
Speaker 2: doesn't get a chance. He was great at it in college.
Speaker 2: So that's the one guy I scratched my head on
Speaker 2: kickoffs with Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?
Speaker 2: Call us back Kendall and we'll get you on the air.
Speaker 2: A couple of emails. Want to go through the emails?
Speaker 2: Do the do rapid fire through the emails? Probably not
Speaker 2: gonna work. Let's see what the questions are. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: gotta get a little bit of nuanced okay. So here
Speaker 2: is an email from Floyd in Michigan. He says, good afternoon,
Speaker 2: Evan and Alex. A number of recent mock drafts have
Speaker 2: the Patriots selecting ot Will Campbell at pick number six,
Speaker 2: which is frustrating, says Kendall, because he thinks, and he
Speaker 2: has read that Will Campbell is a guard, and he
Speaker 2: is not drafting a guard with the sixth overall picks.
Speaker 2: So we are gonna hear about this for the next
Speaker 2: six to eight months. But how long is it till
Speaker 2: the draft? Six months April four? It's crazy, it's six months,
Speaker 2: let's call it six. We're gonna hear about this until
Speaker 2: February when he measures his arms at the combine that
Speaker 2: Will Campbell is a guard. I am not ready to
Speaker 2: say that Will Campbell's guard until I see the measurement
Speaker 2: of his arms right like that. That's really where I'm at.
Speaker 2: He plays, he plays perfectly fine at tackle. He's got feet,
Speaker 2: he's got a tackle movement ability. If his arms are
Speaker 2: too short, then we'll have that conversation when we have it,
Speaker 2: But for right now, I'm operating under the impression that
Speaker 2: he is still a tackle. But if he's at thirty
Speaker 2: two inches, then he's going to be a guard.
Speaker 3: Or is he you know, like Rashaun Slater, is he
Speaker 3: the guy that resets the numbers?
Speaker 2: He just that good? Yep?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you take that chance? And then there's also Kevin Banks.
Speaker 3: Don't look, I'm the mock draft guy, right, I love
Speaker 3: doing all these mock drafts.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: There's a reason I don't do Monck drafts till the
Speaker 3: season is over. The season being excuse me, college and
Speaker 3: NFL still ball up to play, So I wouldn't read
Speaker 3: too much into these Monck drafts at this point one
Speaker 3: way or the other. To me, if you see Will Campbell,
Speaker 3: that person basically tells you they think the Patriots are
Speaker 3: taking a tackle. Yeah, it's one hundred and fifty four days,
Speaker 3: four hours, eleven minutes, forty five seconds until the draft.
Speaker 2: Nice. I found a website that counts it down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's mighty my new homepage. Well it's it's it's like,
Speaker 2: what's the website. It's draftcountdown dot com. Oh really, there's
Speaker 2: like a website that I use all the time. It's
Speaker 2: like a day to date calcul.
Speaker 3: No, this is specifically for the draft, like this website
Speaker 3: is draft countdown dot com.
Speaker 2: The fact that you didn't know this already is kind
Speaker 2: of astonishing. I'm surprised by that. All Right, we have
Speaker 2: Kendall back. Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?
Speaker 10: Hey, sorry about that? How you doing good? I got
Speaker 10: two questions, one for you, Evan and one for you Alex.
Speaker 10: The first one, Evan, what are you seeing from this
Speaker 10: Dolphins defense? And how how do you what is the
Speaker 10: best way for the Patriots to attack on Sunday? And
Speaker 10: but Alex, I want to ask uh if we address
Speaker 10: while Steven Offski. So let's just say we go out
Speaker 10: to sign t Higgins and then in the in the
Speaker 10: first round, could you see us still taking a Tampman
Speaker 10: Millon or did you see us probably getting another guy
Speaker 10: probably let on a draft and who would be the
Speaker 10: odd man out the receiver room?
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Thanks Kendall, Thanks for the call as always.
Speaker 2: So starting with the Dolphins, Uh, I think the biggest
Speaker 2: thing to me with this Dolphins defense is, uh, they
Speaker 2: have given up quite a few yards in the same
Speaker 2: type of game plans that the Patriot it's used last week,
Speaker 2: Like those short and intermediate yards are there. They are
Speaker 2: a pretty exotic in terms of how they scheme up pressure.
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty similar. We're getting to the point now
Speaker 2: and this is probably a longer conversation for a different time,
Speaker 2: but we're getting to the point now where like this,
Speaker 2: like Mike McDonald vic Fangio fused together defense is like
Speaker 2: the Kyle is like the Shanahan Tree right offense where
Speaker 2: it's like half the league is running the same defense.
Speaker 2: So the defense that the Dolphins are running under Anthony Weaver,
Speaker 2: who was with Baltimore for the last three seasons, is
Speaker 2: really similar to the defense that they played against the
Speaker 2: Rams where they're going on third down, they're exotics, like
Speaker 2: they're gonna bring pressure from different places and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be up to the quarterback to sort it out post nap.
Speaker 2: So I look at this game plan again and say,
Speaker 2: just continue to do what you do. Because Gardner Minshew
Speaker 2: averaged three point seven air yards per attempt to go
Speaker 2: back to a dot and we had the same two
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two yards and two touchdowns as Drake
Speaker 2: made did right. Really almost the exact same stat line
Speaker 2: for Gardner, Minshew so brought Bowers had a huge game.
Speaker 2: Patriots have a couple of capable tight ends. So I
Speaker 2: expect the Patriots to try to, you know, do the
Speaker 2: same exact thing, and hopefully they like they did last week,
Speaker 2: you break off some of those short and intermediate routes
Speaker 2: for longer plays on explosives. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Draft draft, I would say if they added veteran receiver,
Speaker 3: even if they added t Higgins, right, if they want
Speaker 3: to go back to back with receivers, him and McMillan
Speaker 3: are pretty redundant.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At that point, we're probably talking more about Luther
Speaker 2: Burden or even Nick me Buka. Yeah, who's coming on?
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, yeah, he's starting to play better. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He just set the like Ohio State all time receiving
Speaker 3: yards or receptions record, which when you think about the
Speaker 3: is that career yeah, yeah, which is now a lot
Speaker 3: of those guys are only there for three years.
Speaker 2: Ye who has been there or like still half a century.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be really surprised if they did that,
Speaker 3: even if they you know, went out and got a
Speaker 3: different receiver and I don't Metcalf or not Metcalf Higgins
Speaker 3: and McMillan don't make sense together. Like those you guys
Speaker 3: played the exact same position, same role. That would be
Speaker 3: a bad pick in that specific Not that McMillan is
Speaker 3: a bad pick, but in the specific circumstance. If they
Speaker 3: were to do something like that, who's the odd man out?
Speaker 3: So you'd have Higgins, you'd have the draft pick, you'd
Speaker 3: have a booty still being a part of it. Douglas
Speaker 3: is still going to be a part of it. I
Speaker 3: would keep Kendrick Bourne in, Jalen Polk the odd man out,
Speaker 3: it's probably Javon Baker unless they keep seven again. But
Speaker 3: if they make their premium veteran offseason addition or a receiver,
Speaker 3: which I'm on the record saying they should do, No,
Speaker 3: I don't think a first round receiver is worth it.
Speaker 3: I don't think a first round receiver is a smart
Speaker 3: pick at that.
Speaker 2: Don't think it's necessary, Like it's not necessary. No, they
Speaker 2: have depth at that point.
Speaker 3: If if you don't want to take a tackle, if
Speaker 3: you're worried about the tackles, now we start talking about
Speaker 3: I don't think the first overall picks.
Speaker 2: So Travis Hunter's probably off the table. He's gonna be
Speaker 2: a Jaguar. I think.
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about will Johnson. Now you're talking about
Speaker 3: Michael Williams. Now you're talking about James Pearce, Abdul Carter,
Speaker 3: who got asked about earlier. If it's not a tackle, honestly,
Speaker 3: and at the point where you're probably looking at a
Speaker 3: defensive player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a question from David in Madrid,
Speaker 2: who emails into the show all the time. And this
Speaker 2: is something along those same lines that you were just
Speaker 2: talking about that I've been thinking about quite a bit,
Speaker 2: and that is, you know, at the top of the
Speaker 2: draft this year, are we trending towards this just being
Speaker 2: a best player available draft for the Patriots. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that I drafted safety like he mentioned Malchi Starks.
Speaker 2: You look sorry. Continue. Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 2: not totally throwing out positional value when I say that.
Speaker 2: But if you told me that the best course of
Speaker 2: action was to take the best player available at a
Speaker 2: premium position, receiver, attack, pass rusher, cornerback, right, they already
Speaker 2: have the quarterback, so they don't need to do that.
Speaker 2: If it's on the defensive side of the ball, then
Speaker 2: I'm I'm game, like, does give me the best player
Speaker 2: at that point?
Speaker 3: You know, I think best player available is a myth.
Speaker 3: I think the concept of drafting the best player available
Speaker 3: is a myth because evan Travis Hunter goes first overall,
Speaker 3: who's the best player left on the board. Who is
Speaker 3: the best football player at their position on the board?
Speaker 3: Please give me the correct answer. I know you don't
Speaker 3: want to say it, but give me the correct answer.
Speaker 2: Wait. So, if Travis Hunter is off the board.
Speaker 3: Who's the most talented football player at his position left?
Speaker 2: Probably that Michigan tackle. It's ash and Genty, But so
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't. I I don't think they should take
Speaker 2: ash and Genty. I don't. He's gonna be a cowboy
Speaker 2: one way or the other. But that's a okay, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be come on, well, no, I just I don't
Speaker 2: care it's him. I think it's him.
Speaker 3: To your point about the Michigan defensive tackle Mason Graham, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm almost with you. I wouldn't take a defensive tackle
Speaker 3: that high. That's the one position if you want to
Speaker 3: sell you wouldn't take like I and I know.
Speaker 2: This is unfair, but like, yeah, you wouldn't take Chris
Speaker 2: Jones that high.
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking specifically like in this class for this team. Okay,
Speaker 3: So like if you want to sell me on Will Johnson,
Speaker 3: if you don't believe in one of the tackles you
Speaker 3: want to and they add a veteran receiver, right, you
Speaker 3: want to sell me on Will Johnson. I can be
Speaker 3: sold on Will Johnson. You want to sell me on
Speaker 3: Michael Williams, you want to sell me I'm still not
Speaker 3: sure on James Pierce, but like we'll get their Abdua Carter.
Speaker 3: I just look at defensive tackle and I think Mason
Speaker 3: Graham's a good player. I think Dion Walker is already
Speaker 3: being slept on, and I think he's going.
Speaker 2: To be as good.
Speaker 3: Well, for one thing, they have Barmore. I would say
Speaker 3: defensive tackle is the one position where.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have Barmore, And I would say that like
Speaker 2: Kean is really like a flex like so like he's
Speaker 2: more of a hand than the dirt guy, so passing
Speaker 2: downs too.
Speaker 3: Between that and looking at the rest of the class,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna take Mason Graham, at least trade down
Speaker 3: and take Deon Walker, that's the one and I reserved
Speaker 3: the right change my mind for a long way out.
Speaker 3: But looking at it right now, I that's that's the
Speaker 3: one position I'd be like, I think it's is Mason
Speaker 3: Graham the best player available? Maybe, but when you get
Speaker 3: into the value of it, of you know, what are
Speaker 3: you really adding. I think a guy like James Pierce,
Speaker 3: if he is the past rusher, we think he is
Speaker 3: a guy like Michael Williams probably gives you more pound
Speaker 3: for pound. And if it's like, well, no, we want
Speaker 3: a defensive tackle, we want a two headed monster in
Speaker 3: the middle. Trade down, take Dean Walker. I think he
Speaker 3: ended up better for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really coming around on on defense. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: we went on this whole thing about the coaching and
Speaker 2: on the deal. This is all predicated on them adding
Speaker 2: t Higgins, DK Metcalfeck. Sure, but they don't think they
Speaker 2: need to take ten. But even still, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: but like, even still, it is obviously everything is is
Speaker 2: you know about attacking it correctly in the veteran market too, right,
Speaker 2: But I just look at it and I just think
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of really good defensive talent in
Speaker 2: this draft. I think Will Johnson, even though he's had
Speaker 2: a little bit of a down year. You tell me,
Speaker 2: I think he's a hell of a football player. Still, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's a lot of really good
Speaker 2: defensive talent. I still feel like Travis Hunter is a
Speaker 2: better corner. I know I'm with you on that. I
Speaker 2: know he's probably gonna play receiver in the league. But
Speaker 2: the point I'm getting at is is that you know
Speaker 2: they need talent on both sides of the ball. And
Speaker 2: I understand we all want to give Drake May as
Speaker 2: toys and we all want to set Drake May up
Speaker 2: for success. We absolutely do, but you can do that
Speaker 2: in different avenues. And I look at the defensive side,
Speaker 2: and really, when you think about it, two out of
Speaker 2: the last three drafts have been offensive drafts for the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Twenty three was the defensive draft. Bill pick three guys
Speaker 2: on the top of the draft, all defense, you know,
Speaker 2: Christian Zales, Kean White, Marte Mapu. But in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two it was Cole Strange, Taekwan Thornton, Pierre Strong. They
Speaker 2: mixed in Marcus Jones in there, and then obviously last
Speaker 2: year they pick one defensive player in the sixth round.
Speaker 2: In Marcella's dial That's a big reason why the depth
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the football is where it is.
Speaker 2: You haven't really been drafting a ton on that side
Speaker 2: of the football, So we're at the point now where
Speaker 2: another pass rusher is necessary. Your pass rush right now
Speaker 2: is I think they're thirtieth or thirty first in the
Speaker 2: league in pressure rate on defense, so they don't get
Speaker 2: pressure on the quarterback anymore. They're second cornerback spot opposite
Speaker 2: of Christian Gonzales is a problem. Marcus Jones is a
Speaker 2: slot like, he's just undersize to play on the outside.
Speaker 2: He's a good slock corner, but he's a stock corner.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones is really gonna, I think gonna transition to
Speaker 2: free safety here soon and start to play more at safety,
Speaker 2: so you really need another guy on the outside opposite
Speaker 2: of Gonzales. You're getting to the point where all these
Speaker 2: things are starting to creep up inside linebacker depth, you know,
Speaker 2: like you lose Bentley and that whole group kind of
Speaker 2: goes to to shambles.
Speaker 3: And this how many years have we done that? It's
Speaker 3: been a bad linebacker draft. Yeah, right, good linebacker draft
Speaker 3: this year. Harold Perk and Danny Stutsman, she had Campbell,
Speaker 3: assuming he comes out. The one thing I'll say to
Speaker 3: the point you just gave is when you because because
Speaker 3: you're just kind of going off of who you've heard
Speaker 3: of as the top thirty guys. Yeah, right, the talent
Speaker 3: We've become so accustomed to there being just this tremendous
Speaker 3: depth on the offense inside of the ball these last
Speaker 3: few drafts outside of the running back position and maybe
Speaker 3: tight end, which are two positions Patriots could maybe addressed,
Speaker 3: but later on, like you don't have that depth at
Speaker 3: wide receiver. You don't have that depth to tackle this
Speaker 3: edge class, loaded, loaded linebacker class, very good, the cornerback class.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of underclassmen. So I'm hesitant to say
Speaker 3: it's gonna be deep yet, but like it could be.
Speaker 3: It very well could be. And I think some of
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna come out because they're gonna see
Speaker 3: that opportunity you if they add the veteran receiver with you,
Speaker 3: But like if not, I just you're gonna be able
Speaker 3: to get quality defensive players later then you're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to at quality offensive players in the draft. It
Speaker 3: looks like so they need volume. Wise, they need to
Speaker 3: address defense in this draft when we're talking about the
Speaker 3: top if they don't add a veteran receiver has to
Speaker 3: be teed. McMillan, you talk, so not to cut you off,
Speaker 3: but just I think this is related tech mcmilliner.
Speaker 2: Tackle. Yeah. So the other thing that we talked about
Speaker 2: the other day on PU which I think is a possibility.
Speaker 2: A lot of the time when you look at the
Speaker 2: league free agency, defensive guys do hit free agency quite frequently.
Speaker 2: So there's some corners, especially, uh, you know, DJ Reed,
Speaker 2: Tavarious Ward, Uh, you know guys that Carlton Davis is
Speaker 2: going to be a free agent, Guys that can are
Speaker 2: are good corners in the league that are gonna be
Speaker 2: coming up on the market. If they're gonna do if
Speaker 2: they're really like if you really think wide receiver is
Speaker 2: that they need to hit that and they need to
Speaker 2: hit tackle one and two in the draft and have
Speaker 2: another top heavy at least offensive draft, Well, then you
Speaker 2: have you have to fill it in another way, right,
Speaker 2: So then then it becomes free agency becomes when you
Speaker 2: add defense, right, But one of these ways whichever And
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a conversation at some point, probably soon
Speaker 2: and go down this rabbit hole of which path is better.
Speaker 2: But it's either you got to put all your sources
Speaker 2: into the offense and free agency and all of them
Speaker 2: into defense in the draft or vice versa. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's true. I think you can mix and match it.
Speaker 3: You could sign or trade for a receiver, draft to
Speaker 3: tackle at the top of the draft, sign one of
Speaker 3: those corners, draft against really good edge draft. I can't
Speaker 3: stress that enough. Sign a pass but sign a sign
Speaker 3: a corner. Draft a pass rusher in the second round.
Speaker 2: On day two of the draft. That realistically just based
Speaker 2: off of just trendons, like you might get like a
Speaker 2: Joshua j type who's like a really good pass rusher
Speaker 2: on third down. But my feeling is is that they
Speaker 2: on defense they might need a three day player.
Speaker 3: There are some for this draft specifically, I get what
Speaker 3: you're saying. Yeah, for this draft specifically, I think there
Speaker 3: are some potential, uh primary pass rushers that you're gonna
Speaker 3: think about where they're gonna be picking on day two.
Speaker 3: We're not talking about picking the forties right and the
Speaker 3: board will change. But the Ohio State guys Jack Sawyer,
Speaker 3: three down player out of o High State currently projected
Speaker 3: like a top forty kind of player. There's a little
Speaker 3: bit higher. He's probably gonna be first round pick. But
Speaker 3: like Nick Gordon, three down player, the teel Maul Muluau,
Speaker 3: I think it is from the other High state guys
Speaker 3: three down play. They can get that three down I
Speaker 3: don't know that you're gonna get Miles Garrett, but can
Speaker 3: you get a guy who can be your primary pass
Speaker 3: rusher and be a three down player at that stage
Speaker 3: in the draft. I think it's possible. It's very possible. Cornerback,
Speaker 3: same way. Again, we'll see how many of these younger
Speaker 3: guys come out. It's a younger group, but you know,
Speaker 3: if more guys go to the draft, I'm really interested
Speaker 3: to see what the book ends up being on the
Speaker 3: Ohio State guys. So, Denzel Burke was a projected top
Speaker 3: ten pick for a long time. He has had a
Speaker 3: rough season. He has had a rough season. David Igbanoz
Speaker 3: in the other corner kind of same thing. Fringy first
Speaker 3: round guy. Now people are saying more that, you know,
Speaker 3: fifty to seventy five range, it's gonna be there's always
Speaker 3: these guys right where you look at the tape, you're
Speaker 3: gonna have I'm gonna have to remind you watch Denzel
Speaker 3: Burke in twenty twenty two, don't just watch Denzel Burke
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Yeah, And where does that come down?
Speaker 3: If they see him in twenty two and they say
Speaker 3: he had a down year last year for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: you get a potential like he certainly has the ceiling
Speaker 3: to be a guy that can be legitimate option opposite
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez. It's just where do you think he's at
Speaker 3: from last year to this year?
Speaker 2: Fair enough? I just look at it, and you know,
Speaker 2: the more that I watched this team unfold this season,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of this and I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to make it harder on him than it already is.
Speaker 2: I'm really not. But a lot of this just stems
Speaker 2: from the fact that I think Drake May is just
Speaker 2: awesome and it is gonna make a lot of the
Speaker 2: offense go okay, but let me finish. Yeah. The more
Speaker 2: I watch the team, though, the more I look at
Speaker 2: the defense being the bigger problem right now than the
Speaker 2: offense right Like, it just it's very clear to me
Speaker 2: that the defense is the unit that's going backwards. The
Speaker 2: offense is at least on this steady climb up and
Speaker 2: a lot of that is like probably ninety percent of
Speaker 2: that is rake. But like, at least we see some
Speaker 2: some light at the end of the tunnel for the
Speaker 2: offense where if you go out and you add a
Speaker 2: big time playmaker in free agency, you might be done
Speaker 2: on offense. I still think you need to tackle. You
Speaker 2: probably still need to tackle, but like, I don't think
Speaker 2: that that tackle needs to be you know, like Trent
Speaker 2: Williams right, Like, I think that if you go out
Speaker 2: and you get a serviceable NFL left tackle, then you'll
Speaker 2: you'll be fine as an offense. Like I really believe
Speaker 2: that if you you still got to go out and
Speaker 2: get the guy right, I'm not saying that. But defensively,
Speaker 2: I think that they have sort of had needs everywhere
Speaker 2: on defense all of a sudden. Offensively, I think they
Speaker 2: need to tackle help, and I think they need a
Speaker 2: number one receiver. I think they have a decent two
Speaker 2: through five in the receiver.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Like, if they add the left tackle
Speaker 3: we're talking about just this year, they need like they
Speaker 3: need a project tight end, they need to develop mental
Speaker 3: center play. If you add the tackle, if you add
Speaker 3: the receiver. You're kind of banking on Caden Wallas showing up.
Speaker 3: We haven't gotten to see much of him this year,
Speaker 3: but like that's group. I just wouldn't I worry that
Speaker 3: they're gonna look at it and say, Drake mays good,
Speaker 3: we're done.
Speaker 2: Let's work on the defense.
Speaker 3: Like you can't do that, you need This is learning
Speaker 3: lessons from the mac Jones Erra. Right, Yeah, go get
Speaker 3: the kid the receiver. That has to happen, and you
Speaker 3: have to make sure his blind side is protected. It's
Speaker 3: a volume thing on defense. It's a it's a quality
Speaker 3: thing on offense. It's a quantity thing on defense.
Speaker 2: So my last thing on this and then we got
Speaker 2: a wrap. Yeah, I feel like we always get caught
Speaker 2: and I'm not just like, I'm not saying you, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying this is a general I feel like we
Speaker 2: always get caught in thinking the best the way to
Speaker 2: support the quarterback is to get him receivers, get him
Speaker 2: offensive line, build up the offense. It also doesn't hurt
Speaker 2: to make sure that the defense isn't given up thirty.
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt, right, Like if he has to go
Speaker 2: out there and he has to score twenty four a
Speaker 2: game to win ten games. Then that also helps a lot.
Speaker 2: Like you look at what Kansas City is doing right,
Speaker 2: Like they're nine to one because Patrick Mahomes has to
Speaker 2: make like two plays at the end of the game
Speaker 2: to win them half of these games like that, that's
Speaker 2: how they've gotten here. So it doesn't hurt to have
Speaker 2: a good defense too. Like that helps a young quarterback
Speaker 2: as well, when he doesn't have to go out there
Speaker 2: and score thirty five to win the football. It does.
Speaker 2: And look, you know me, I'm the defense guy. Like
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent with you on that, but normally
Speaker 2: I'm the offensive guys. Right, you know, we've kind of
Speaker 2: flipped here. I would just say, like, because the defense
Speaker 2: just doesn't stop anybody younger quarterback, younger quarterback, you want
Speaker 2: to give him the pieces to absolute absolutely. I just
Speaker 2: think that there are a couple of pieces away on offense.
Speaker 2: I think defensively is starting to get a little bit tenuous.
Speaker 2: That's all really quickly, and then we really do have
Speaker 2: to wrap. We talked to little Dolphins. I don't love
Speaker 2: this matchup on the on paper for the Patriots this week.
Speaker 2: Not only is Miami just not a great place for
Speaker 2: them normally, but I just don't really see a path
Speaker 2: for them to a stop the Dolphins offense consistently and
Speaker 2: then be outscore the Dolphins offense the other side of
Speaker 2: the football. I'm trying to find a path for victory
Speaker 2: in this game. I do every week, I even if
Speaker 2: for three and eight, right, And I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: talk myself into this is how they can win this game.
Speaker 2: The only way that I see that they can win
Speaker 2: this game is they have to play one of those
Speaker 2: clean time of possession type of games. Like it's gonna
Speaker 2: have to be they did that last week. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I know, it's gonna have to be boring, right, Like
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be twenty to seventeen or seventeen
Speaker 2: fourteen or something along those lines. And uh, that's not
Speaker 2: the thirty five to thirty shootout that we all would
Speaker 2: kind of like to see, I would assume with Drake May.
Speaker 2: But that's where I'm sort of at with this game.
Speaker 2: What's your statement on Jersey Mikes. So this is my
Speaker 2: statement on Jersey Mikes. My fear with the great Jersey
Speaker 2: Mikes is that you're no longer gonna be a sub above.
Speaker 2: You're gonna just be like every other sub. You are
Speaker 2: just gonna be a sub. The reason why I love
Speaker 2: Jersey Mikes is because Jersey Mikes has a sub above
Speaker 2: the rest. Okay, this is gonna be corporate America for them.
Speaker 2: Corporate America here we come right, Here comes the hedge fund,
Speaker 2: here comes the freaking capitalism people to ruin my sandwich chain,
Speaker 2: and I am very upset a Kramer and buy yourself
Speaker 2: a meat slicer Deli slicer Ma because they're I'm gonna
Speaker 2: slice my arm off, Alex. That's really that's a really
Speaker 2: hard to use. They're not easy. They're not as hard
Speaker 2: to use. All I'm saying to you to whoever bought
Speaker 2: Jersey Mikes, do not ruin the product. That's what corporate
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Speaker 3: That sounds horrible, Okay, but wait, are they the ones
Speaker 3: behind Blackstone grills?
Speaker 2: Because if they are, they know food? Because those black
Speaker 2: I am very upsets called Blackstone. What's that girl called?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about? So like the Flatsop,
Speaker 2: those things are the other thing about Jersey Mikes that
Speaker 2: that I I I yeah, Blackstone grill, those things. Okay.
Speaker 2: The other thing about jerseys is that this is I
Speaker 2: didn't expect to do that whole philosophical thing. I thought
Speaker 2: you were just gonna do this part. This is a
Speaker 2: this is the first world problem, I fully admit. But
Speaker 2: I travel a lot for work, right, So I'm in
Speaker 2: different cities. I'm popping around a lot during football season,
Speaker 2: and I can always count on whether I'm here, whether
Speaker 2: I'm in Miami, whether I'm in Chicago, whether I'm in Arizona,
Speaker 2: whether I'm in Buffalo, wherever i am in the country,
Speaker 2: I can get a jersey Mikes number seven and have
Speaker 2: and know what I'm getting myself into, right, And that
Speaker 2: is very key for me. I'm a I'm a person,
Speaker 2: I'm a creature of habit and the fact that I
Speaker 2: might have to now figure out a different subplace to
Speaker 2: get my sandwich from for game day that really has
Speaker 2: me stressed out. Alex. I'm not gonna lie it's stressing
Speaker 2: me out. I'm sure you'll find another sandwich. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm going to. I think I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: You just can not eat on game days. I didn't
Speaker 2: say that. I just said that now I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to go local, and then I'm gonna have to like
Speaker 2: Google in which places are always like I love good
Speaker 2: local sandwich place. There's one sandwich place, local sub pizza
Speaker 2: place usually, so I agree, Like we're big good good
Speaker 2: food store people are probably gonna go tomorrow. But like
Speaker 2: I know about good food store because I live here, right, Like,
Speaker 2: how am I going to find the local sub establishment
Speaker 2: in Buffalo, New York? Like maybe my people, my friends
Speaker 2: in Buffalo can help me out with Maybe this becomes
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 3: Maybe on on social media each week you are on
Speaker 3: the road, like where should I get my sandwich?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is gonna be brutal because they're gonna
Speaker 2: ruin Jersey mice so tough. I hate it. I hate
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