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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 1: Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 2: Blazar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: And it says Debreeze n Foles p Manning. I did

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Speaker 3: I knew there was a Jay Capp. I forget if

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Speaker 3: it was Joe Capp or Jim Kapp, so I said

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Speaker 3: some guy. Then I clicked on the link and it loaded,

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Speaker 3: and then I saw Sid Luckman, George Blanda y A Tittle,

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Speaker 2: You have some respect on why Tittle's name? All right,

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Speaker 2: that's so true. Why A Tittle was ahead of his time?

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Speaker 2: I respect Sid Luckman also way ahead of his time,

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Speaker 2: like Sid M. Luckman was actually throwing the ball down

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Speaker 3: See this is weird because this comes from the guy

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Speaker 3: who like refuses to acknowledge errors when you talk about

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Speaker 3: who the best player is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, this, I'm dead set on that tape.

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Speaker 2: So then, how is Sid Luckman one of the best

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Speaker 2: the best of all times? No, I did not. No,

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Speaker 2: I did not. I said he was ahead of his time.

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Speaker 2: I did not say he was one of the best

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Speaker 2: of all time. I said he was ahead. When host

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Speaker 2: don't listen, I said ahead, not best. But I am

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Speaker 2: very dead set on that. You cannot have a conversation

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Speaker 2: about the greatest players in any respective sport of all

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Speaker 2: time without like everybody says, well, it's a different era. Okay,

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Speaker 2: But if I'm putting a basketball team together, am I

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Speaker 2: great great Bill Russell. I'm taking Lebron James like I

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Speaker 2: just it's not even.

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Speaker 3: Russell's a bad example there because he beat played a

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Speaker 2: And he would have been like a rim running five.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about your your ear, talking more about a

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Speaker 1: Other.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you a better example, Okay, Don Hudson, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you cannot tell me careful now you don't want Bill here. Now,

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Speaker 2: you cannot tell me Don Hudson that Don Hudson and

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Speaker 3: Because one guy played in an error where they understood that,

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I offense to people that then go ahead

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Speaker 3: But the guy, it's like the thing when you do

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Speaker 2: Like one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet. They didn't

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Speaker 2: Have you have you ever seen like old old footage

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Speaker 3: So okay, So who's a better baseball player, Babe Ruth

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Speaker 2: Ruth that, showe heyo Tani would come along, like eighty

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Speaker 2: He's not his fault. He played what he did. I'm

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Speaker 2: not blaming him for it. I was saying he's not

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, but better like on what relative to what?

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Speaker 2: To them? If you said, who's a better baseball player,

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Speaker 2: showy toy, baby, I'm taking to show who's a better

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Speaker 2: baseball player, Babe Ruth bald the dollback. Hey, Patriots fans,

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Speaker 2: And after that conversation, I'm going to need one of

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Speaker 2: allowing us to debate that any longer. We could have

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Speaker 2: It's not worth arguing with you over that. H Let's

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Speaker 2: where I'm at right now, or where I wanted to start.

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Speaker 2: And of course I wanted to start here before this morning,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to give Alex van Pelt his flowers.

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Speaker 2: I still want to give Alex van Pelt his flowers.

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Speaker 2: I understand there's a lot if you missed it. This

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Speaker 2: morning at his press conference, he was talking about Marcus Jones.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Jones reached out to Alex van Pelt said I

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Speaker 2: want to help on offense. Alex van Pelt claimed that

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Speaker 2: I'm still not going to say that that supersedes the

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Speaker 2: my whole take with this is there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions, not for myself, because you know, Alex, you

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Speaker 2: I want Alex van Pelt back next year as the

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator of the Patriots. The big things to me

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Speaker 2: lot about how they don't want to be error repeaters

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Speaker 2: when do we get to the tipping point of just

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Speaker 2: do other teams start looking at Alex van Pelt to

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Speaker 2: poach him, not yet that they end up in that

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Speaker 2: it's not to the point where he's going to get

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Speaker 2: head coaching offers. Yeah, I don't think we're there yet

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Speaker 2: for him. But what I'm seeing from Van Pelt first

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Speaker 2: of all, is I hear what you're saying, because calling

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Speaker 2: Like it's six games, right, Like, let's see what it

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Speaker 2: looks like over a long larger sample. But for Drake May,

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Speaker 2: me excited about where this thing could head with some

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Speaker 2: starting to see it now that Drake is playing, and

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Speaker 2: you have a better quarterback play that I really have liked,

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Speaker 2: And bad organizations ruin quarterbacks by moving on from coordinators

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Speaker 3: That could be right Van Peltz the footwork guy, right,

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Speaker 2: Like you you're changing the path. You maybe aren't changing

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Speaker 2: It's not as easy as it sounds.

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Speaker 3: we're a great way to put it. They've they've they've

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Speaker 3: So it's just another sign that again, are they there?

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Speaker 2: That's just his safety blanket, his binky, whatever you want

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Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, I've really enjoyed what they've done with him.

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00:22:06,378 --> 00:22:09,778
Speaker 2: I think that they've figured out how to use that player.

432
00:22:09,858 --> 00:22:12,058
Speaker 2: He's not a big player, he's not a big target

433
00:22:12,178 --> 00:22:15,218
Speaker 2: down the field, but he's a useful player, especially if

434
00:22:15,218 --> 00:22:16,698
Speaker 2: you can get him and hit him on the move,

435
00:22:16,978 --> 00:22:19,418
Speaker 2: and they've been able to find different ways to go

436
00:22:19,458 --> 00:22:21,538
Speaker 2: ahead and do that. He had, you know, the eighteen

437
00:22:21,618 --> 00:22:24,177
Speaker 2: yarder on the screen, or it might have been fourteen, fourteen,

438
00:22:24,258 --> 00:22:27,138
Speaker 2: eighteen whatever, a nice chunk play on the screen. The

439
00:22:27,218 --> 00:22:30,658
Speaker 2: twenty eight yarder on the crossing route, had another big

440
00:22:30,698 --> 00:22:32,698
Speaker 2: play on a slant like those are the types of

441
00:22:32,698 --> 00:22:36,138
Speaker 2: things that they need to use a player like that with. Yeah,

442
00:22:36,138 --> 00:22:38,258
Speaker 2: he might not be a high volume guy. He's probably

443
00:22:38,258 --> 00:22:40,218
Speaker 2: not going to be targeted ten to fifteen times a

444
00:22:40,258 --> 00:22:42,338
Speaker 2: game like a Welker or an Edelman would out of

445
00:22:42,378 --> 00:22:44,858
Speaker 2: the slot. But they've done a nice job of finding

446
00:22:44,858 --> 00:22:49,098
Speaker 2: ways to let his speed and let his jitterbug ability

447
00:22:49,178 --> 00:22:51,618
Speaker 2: really impact the game. So I really liked what they've

448
00:22:51,618 --> 00:22:55,258
Speaker 2: done with him as well. Yeah, next one, offensive line,

449
00:22:55,378 --> 00:22:58,778
Speaker 2: I feel like it's improving. You know, now, how much

450
00:22:58,818 --> 00:23:01,138
Speaker 2: you give that to Drake and how much you give

451
00:23:01,178 --> 00:23:03,458
Speaker 2: that to the line and to Van Pelton, to Peters, like,

452
00:23:03,498 --> 00:23:05,538
Speaker 2: that's up to you. A lot of it is up

453
00:23:05,738 --> 00:23:08,258
Speaker 2: is on Drake, Like he's doing a great job of

454
00:23:08,298 --> 00:23:12,178
Speaker 2: getting the ball out, evading pressure, avoiding sacks, using his

455
00:23:12,298 --> 00:23:15,258
Speaker 2: legs when he needs to. But their pressure rate has

456
00:23:15,298 --> 00:23:17,978
Speaker 2: gone from forty eight percent with Jakobe Brissett to thirty

457
00:23:18,018 --> 00:23:21,218
Speaker 2: six percent with Drake may much more functional, much more,

458
00:23:22,138 --> 00:23:24,058
Speaker 2: you know, functional really is the best word for it.

459
00:23:24,138 --> 00:23:26,738
Speaker 2: So some of that to me is continuity as well.

460
00:23:27,018 --> 00:23:29,938
Speaker 2: But I give them credit. And this is something that

461
00:23:29,938 --> 00:23:31,657
Speaker 2: I was trying to ask him today, but you know,

462
00:23:32,538 --> 00:23:34,778
Speaker 2: good luck getting the question in on that press conference.

463
00:23:35,138 --> 00:23:38,458
Speaker 2: But one of the things I've noticed is that they've

464
00:23:38,778 --> 00:23:44,698
Speaker 2: basically scrapped all of the seven steppers and long delayed

465
00:23:44,698 --> 00:23:47,698
Speaker 2: play actions. And you know, the as much as I

466
00:23:47,778 --> 00:23:50,738
Speaker 2: love leak, like leak, and like all these like plays

467
00:23:50,738 --> 00:23:53,378
Speaker 2: that just take forever in the backfield to get going.

468
00:23:53,818 --> 00:23:56,858
Speaker 2: In theory, great scheme if you can block it. The

469
00:23:56,898 --> 00:24:00,498
Speaker 2: Patriots couldn't block it. So the Patriots now a lot

470
00:24:00,538 --> 00:24:02,898
Speaker 2: of what Drake may is doing is five three step

471
00:24:03,178 --> 00:24:06,538
Speaker 2: three and five step drop, whether he's under center or

472
00:24:06,538 --> 00:24:09,098
Speaker 2: out of the gun, and it's a lot of quick

473
00:24:09,138 --> 00:24:11,498
Speaker 2: hitting stuff. It's get the ball out of his hands.

474
00:24:11,978 --> 00:24:16,018
Speaker 2: Their RPO game has increased, their gun play action game

475
00:24:16,058 --> 00:24:18,938
Speaker 2: has increased. They are not asking him to turn his

476
00:24:19,018 --> 00:24:21,578
Speaker 2: back to the defense a whole lot. They're not asking

477
00:24:21,658 --> 00:24:25,818
Speaker 2: him to, you know, elongate those fakes and end around

478
00:24:25,898 --> 00:24:28,538
Speaker 2: and then hand off and then now we're backed up

479
00:24:28,578 --> 00:24:30,618
Speaker 2: field and we're trying to hit a delay route out

480
00:24:30,618 --> 00:24:32,458
Speaker 2: of the back. No, we're not doing any of that

481
00:24:32,458 --> 00:24:34,538
Speaker 2: stuff anymore that we were seeing earlier on in the

482
00:24:34,538 --> 00:24:37,698
Speaker 2: season when Jacoby was getting killed, because it was taking

483
00:24:37,778 --> 00:24:40,258
Speaker 2: three seconds, three and a half seconds just to get

484
00:24:40,298 --> 00:24:42,258
Speaker 2: his eyes back up the field. So I think they've

485
00:24:42,298 --> 00:24:44,538
Speaker 2: done a nice job of just throwing some of those

486
00:24:45,378 --> 00:24:48,258
Speaker 2: bad plays for them in the trash can, and I

487
00:24:48,258 --> 00:24:50,178
Speaker 2: think that has helped a lot with the line as well.

488
00:24:50,618 --> 00:24:52,818
Speaker 3: I think you have to give some credit to continuity though,

489
00:24:52,818 --> 00:24:54,298
Speaker 3: and the other thing you mentioned. All right, well, this

490
00:24:54,338 --> 00:24:56,378
Speaker 3: is what they've done since Shrake May came in. How

491
00:24:56,378 --> 00:24:58,338
Speaker 3: does that sync up with when they moved Mike when

492
00:24:58,338 --> 00:24:59,258
Speaker 3: Winnu in the right guard?

493
00:24:59,338 --> 00:24:59,578
Speaker 2: Yeah?

494
00:24:59,698 --> 00:25:02,058
Speaker 3: Right's about the same time, wouldn't you know it? You

495
00:25:02,178 --> 00:25:04,578
Speaker 3: put your best offensive lineman in his best position and

496
00:25:04,618 --> 00:25:06,058
Speaker 3: suddenly things look a lot better.

497
00:25:06,738 --> 00:25:07,458
Speaker 2: I like this group.

498
00:25:07,498 --> 00:25:10,018
Speaker 3: We'll see where Cole strange factors in. I understand working

499
00:25:10,098 --> 00:25:12,458
Speaker 3: him at center and left guard. I didn't love them

500
00:25:12,498 --> 00:25:14,058
Speaker 3: saying that they were going to work him at right

501
00:25:14,098 --> 00:25:16,818
Speaker 3: guard as well. I understand they want to cross train guys,

502
00:25:16,858 --> 00:25:18,618
Speaker 3: they want to get guys ready, but let's not go

503
00:25:18,738 --> 00:25:20,218
Speaker 3: back to Mike when win right tackle.

504
00:25:20,258 --> 00:25:20,618
Speaker 2: Please.

505
00:25:21,458 --> 00:25:25,218
Speaker 3: But I think finally sticking with the group helped. And

506
00:25:25,258 --> 00:25:26,818
Speaker 3: who knows what would happen if they've done it soon.

507
00:25:26,818 --> 00:25:28,858
Speaker 3: If they were able to do it sooner, I understand

508
00:25:28,898 --> 00:25:31,538
Speaker 3: there'd be injuries. I honestly think you talk about the

509
00:25:31,578 --> 00:25:35,298
Speaker 3: offensive coaching staff. If there's one guy I'm really high

510
00:25:35,338 --> 00:25:36,858
Speaker 3: on at this point, it's Scott Peters.

511
00:25:37,018 --> 00:25:40,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, because taking a very little and made a lot

512
00:25:40,578 --> 00:25:41,018
Speaker 2: out of it.

513
00:25:41,138 --> 00:25:44,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it hasn't been good this year, but

514
00:25:44,378 --> 00:25:47,098
Speaker 3: how many times if we come out of games and

515
00:25:47,218 --> 00:25:48,937
Speaker 3: been like, well, it wasn't great, but it's better than

516
00:25:48,938 --> 00:25:51,538
Speaker 3: we thought. Or just with individual players, you look at

517
00:25:51,538 --> 00:25:53,138
Speaker 3: what they've gotten out of a Darian low And I'm

518
00:25:53,138 --> 00:25:55,298
Speaker 3: not saying Vederien low has been like a Pro Bowl

519
00:25:55,378 --> 00:25:58,138
Speaker 3: or anything, but compared to expectations, what they've got out

520
00:25:58,138 --> 00:26:01,378
Speaker 3: of a Darian Lowe, what they've gotten out of Michael Jordan,

521
00:26:01,578 --> 00:26:04,858
Speaker 3: what they've gotten out Demontre Jacobs, who showed up after

522
00:26:04,938 --> 00:26:07,338
Speaker 3: final roster cuts and is now you're starting right tackle.

523
00:26:07,538 --> 00:26:08,098
Speaker 2: Is functional.

524
00:26:08,258 --> 00:26:10,778
Speaker 3: It's not great, but he's functional. So I look at

525
00:26:10,778 --> 00:26:14,138
Speaker 3: that and I say, all right, if this is what

526
00:26:14,258 --> 00:26:16,378
Speaker 3: he's doing with the bare minimum, if this is what

527
00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:19,218
Speaker 3: he's doing with the revolving door of guys who are

528
00:26:19,298 --> 00:26:22,858
Speaker 3: you know, borderline NFL caliber players, what's gonna happen when

529
00:26:22,898 --> 00:26:26,458
Speaker 3: you actually get him? You know, players with the with

530
00:26:26,498 --> 00:26:28,978
Speaker 3: the with the ceiling. What's gonna happen when you get him?

531
00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:31,418
Speaker 3: And not just that are alright? What's gonna happen when

532
00:26:31,418 --> 00:26:33,378
Speaker 3: you give him the same five guys to work with

533
00:26:33,418 --> 00:26:35,418
Speaker 3: weekend and week out and they can actually build to something.

534
00:26:35,538 --> 00:26:37,938
Speaker 3: So I you know, it took them longer than I

535
00:26:37,978 --> 00:26:40,778
Speaker 3: think it should have taken them to get to this point.

536
00:26:41,618 --> 00:26:43,538
Speaker 3: I think they should have had more continuity earlier. I

537
00:26:43,578 --> 00:26:45,378
Speaker 3: think Drake may may have played earlier if they had

538
00:26:45,418 --> 00:26:48,138
Speaker 3: more continuity earlier. Again, some of that's due to injuries,

539
00:26:48,138 --> 00:26:50,218
Speaker 3: so I don't entirely blame them for that, like it's

540
00:26:50,258 --> 00:26:54,698
Speaker 3: outside of their control. But I overall I like what

541
00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:57,058
Speaker 3: I've seen because they've made enough at of so little

542
00:26:57,058 --> 00:26:58,698
Speaker 3: that that I'm at the point where it's like, all right,

543
00:26:58,778 --> 00:27:00,858
Speaker 3: like let's give them something real to work. And then

544
00:27:00,858 --> 00:27:02,498
Speaker 3: it goes back to the point you said with the

545
00:27:02,498 --> 00:27:05,218
Speaker 3: Alex VNN Pelton keeping that continuity, like if you move

546
00:27:05,258 --> 00:27:08,018
Speaker 3: on from Alex band Pelt, new coach is gonna want

547
00:27:08,058 --> 00:27:11,298
Speaker 3: his staff, Yeah, and that you know, now you're moving

548
00:27:11,298 --> 00:27:13,898
Speaker 3: on from Scott Peters and TC. McCartney's another guy that's

549
00:27:14,138 --> 00:27:15,778
Speaker 3: gotten a ton of credit, and I he was on

550
00:27:15,778 --> 00:27:17,698
Speaker 3: some of those lists about up and coming coaches, Like

551
00:27:18,058 --> 00:27:19,858
Speaker 3: you move on from alexand pell you're probably moving on

552
00:27:19,898 --> 00:27:20,658
Speaker 3: from those guys too.

553
00:27:20,858 --> 00:27:25,298
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I really do feel that they've done a

554
00:27:25,378 --> 00:27:29,218
Speaker 2: much better job with their play calling in certain spots.

555
00:27:29,258 --> 00:27:32,378
Speaker 2: Now I think They're time of their plays could be

556
00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:35,578
Speaker 2: a little bit better at times still, you know, marrying

557
00:27:35,938 --> 00:27:38,818
Speaker 2: it up to when they are expecting different coverage from

558
00:27:38,818 --> 00:27:41,657
Speaker 2: the defense. Right, But even still, I feel like some

559
00:27:41,698 --> 00:27:43,778
Speaker 2: of the stuff that they've done has had more answers

560
00:27:43,818 --> 00:27:46,818
Speaker 2: within each probably call of you know, okay, if we

561
00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:50,018
Speaker 2: have a man beater on here, but they drop into zone,

562
00:27:50,418 --> 00:27:52,738
Speaker 2: it helps when they drop into his zone, your quarterback

563
00:27:52,738 --> 00:27:55,538
Speaker 2: can run for twenty five yards, right Like that obviously helps.

564
00:27:56,058 --> 00:27:59,578
Speaker 2: But it's something that I've noticed that as it has improved.

565
00:27:59,578 --> 00:28:01,818
Speaker 2: And one of the other criticisms that I hear a

566
00:28:01,858 --> 00:28:04,258
Speaker 2: lot about Alex Van Pelt is that they run the

567
00:28:04,258 --> 00:28:07,778
Speaker 2: ball too much on first down, and the numbers do

568
00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:10,058
Speaker 2: not back that up. They just don't support it. So

569
00:28:10,298 --> 00:28:12,738
Speaker 2: since Drake May has been in the lineup and been

570
00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:16,098
Speaker 2: the starter, the Patriots are fifth in the league in

571
00:28:16,258 --> 00:28:19,138
Speaker 2: early down pass frequency. They're fifth in the league. They're

572
00:28:19,178 --> 00:28:22,218
Speaker 2: passing the ball almost sixty percent of the time on

573
00:28:22,298 --> 00:28:24,898
Speaker 2: first and second down since Drake May took over, and

574
00:28:24,898 --> 00:28:28,378
Speaker 2: that's adjusted for situation. Right, So we're not talking about

575
00:28:28,378 --> 00:28:31,298
Speaker 2: like blowouts and two minutes and staf for talking about

576
00:28:31,298 --> 00:28:34,338
Speaker 2: actual football, like first and ten from the twenty five

577
00:28:35,338 --> 00:28:37,578
Speaker 2: the very first play of the game, right like those

578
00:28:37,618 --> 00:28:40,618
Speaker 2: types of situations, they're throwing the ball quite a bit,

579
00:28:40,658 --> 00:28:42,378
Speaker 2: and I think some of that is a response to

580
00:28:42,418 --> 00:28:44,458
Speaker 2: the fact that they haven't run the ball very well,

581
00:28:44,818 --> 00:28:47,458
Speaker 2: and he's not just running into a brick wall, right Like,

582
00:28:47,498 --> 00:28:51,018
Speaker 2: he's not just continuingly calling run after run after run

583
00:28:51,018 --> 00:28:53,938
Speaker 2: even though it's not working. So they are a very

584
00:28:53,978 --> 00:28:56,898
Speaker 2: aggressive early down passing offense. I know it might not

585
00:28:56,978 --> 00:28:59,978
Speaker 2: feel like that all the time, but right now they're

586
00:29:00,058 --> 00:29:04,738
Speaker 2: right up there with Kansas City Buffalo. You know, the

587
00:29:05,218 --> 00:29:07,418
Speaker 2: teams that do this every year. You know that are

588
00:29:07,458 --> 00:29:09,138
Speaker 2: like that every year because they put the ball in

589
00:29:09,178 --> 00:29:13,058
Speaker 2: the quarterback's hands. So I've really thought that he's gotten

590
00:29:13,098 --> 00:29:16,138
Speaker 2: better in that regard in terms of his play calling

591
00:29:16,218 --> 00:29:20,178
Speaker 2: and the runs. In the run game, they're getting downhill

592
00:29:20,218 --> 00:29:22,098
Speaker 2: a lot more. Like you don't see quite as much

593
00:29:22,098 --> 00:29:24,738
Speaker 2: outside zone. It's still in there. They still will run it,

594
00:29:25,338 --> 00:29:28,498
Speaker 2: but they're getting downhill a little bit more. They haven't

595
00:29:28,498 --> 00:29:30,258
Speaker 2: had a ton of success with it, but I like

596
00:29:30,298 --> 00:29:32,938
Speaker 2: the City so at full back element, Like, I think

597
00:29:32,978 --> 00:29:35,378
Speaker 2: that that's something that they needed to just do and

598
00:29:35,618 --> 00:29:38,378
Speaker 2: figure out. Do you think adding a fullback is in

599
00:29:38,418 --> 00:29:41,698
Speaker 2: play this offseason. I think for this group it is

600
00:29:42,338 --> 00:29:46,018
Speaker 2: because well, first of all, maybe not if they improve

601
00:29:46,098 --> 00:29:49,018
Speaker 2: the offensive line. But the biggest thing for a full

602
00:29:49,098 --> 00:29:51,018
Speaker 2: back is that he can be a fixer, right Like,

603
00:29:51,018 --> 00:29:53,018
Speaker 2: if you lose a block on the line of scrimmage,

604
00:29:53,018 --> 00:29:56,258
Speaker 2: now you have like another layer before you get to

605
00:29:56,298 --> 00:29:59,258
Speaker 2: the ball carrier. So it's almost like the players on

606
00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:01,538
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage have to go through two guys

607
00:30:01,578 --> 00:30:03,778
Speaker 2: to get to the football instead of just one. So

608
00:30:03,858 --> 00:30:05,578
Speaker 2: that was the big reason why I thought that they

609
00:30:05,618 --> 00:30:08,818
Speaker 2: needed to maybe look at a big whether it's a

610
00:30:09,058 --> 00:30:11,778
Speaker 2: you know, they call it muscle tight end, full back, whatever.

611
00:30:12,818 --> 00:30:15,338
Speaker 2: Getting a big full back in there in this offense

612
00:30:15,498 --> 00:30:18,058
Speaker 2: was because they couldn't execute the blocks on the line

613
00:30:18,098 --> 00:30:21,978
Speaker 2: of scrimmage consistently. So it gives you almost a It

614
00:30:21,978 --> 00:30:24,018
Speaker 2: gives you like a safety net right in case you

615
00:30:24,378 --> 00:30:27,218
Speaker 2: screw up on the line of scrimmage. So maybe, like

616
00:30:27,258 --> 00:30:30,698
Speaker 2: somebody that is a little bit different than a than

617
00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:33,418
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman, being eligible could be useful. But in

618
00:30:33,458 --> 00:30:37,018
Speaker 2: Cleveland they use they used the center actually that as

619
00:30:37,018 --> 00:30:40,978
Speaker 2: an eligible man, forget the guy's name, but they typically

620
00:30:41,138 --> 00:30:43,218
Speaker 2: used it out of a jumbo package and not like

621
00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:46,698
Speaker 2: a traditional fullback. So I could see them sticking with that.

622
00:30:47,458 --> 00:30:51,458
Speaker 2: But the offensive line play, the tight ends, uh, the

623
00:30:51,498 --> 00:30:55,058
Speaker 2: wide receivers, I would say usage has gotten a little

624
00:30:55,098 --> 00:30:58,178
Speaker 2: bit better. And then obviously they have Drake May playing great.

625
00:30:58,258 --> 00:31:01,458
Speaker 2: So your point about let's give van uh excuse me,

626
00:31:01,498 --> 00:31:04,978
Speaker 2: Scott Peters some better linemen. Maybe if they give him

627
00:31:05,018 --> 00:31:07,898
Speaker 2: some better linemen and they give a VP some better

628
00:31:08,058 --> 00:31:12,138
Speaker 2: wide receiver talent, now we really could be cooking here,

629
00:31:12,298 --> 00:31:14,218
Speaker 2: you know, especially if Drake May keeps playing.

630
00:31:14,298 --> 00:31:18,058
Speaker 3: So in the end, we're back where we started in January,

631
00:31:18,138 --> 00:31:22,778
Speaker 3: which was let's make the roster better team. We're all

632
00:31:22,778 --> 00:31:26,018
Speaker 3: the way back. Took us what eleven months, ten months,

633
00:31:26,018 --> 00:31:28,738
Speaker 3: eleven months, and we're paid and it's look, it's not

634
00:31:28,778 --> 00:31:31,378
Speaker 3: a bad place to be because you can add talent

635
00:31:31,418 --> 00:31:34,258
Speaker 3: to the roster. Like that's not when I say it's

636
00:31:34,258 --> 00:31:36,818
Speaker 3: not a hard thing to do. You got to identify

637
00:31:36,858 --> 00:31:38,338
Speaker 3: the talent, you gotta make sure it fits. But you

638
00:31:38,338 --> 00:31:41,058
Speaker 3: have draft picks, you have cap space, you can add talent.

639
00:31:41,578 --> 00:31:47,618
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So this is a compliment, Sandwich. That

640
00:31:47,738 --> 00:31:50,098
Speaker 2: was my goal here. So I just gave a lot

641
00:31:50,098 --> 00:31:53,458
Speaker 2: of praise to the offensive staff. I wish you hadn't

642
00:31:53,538 --> 00:31:57,138
Speaker 2: said that about Marcus Jones. Just you killed the momentum

643
00:31:57,138 --> 00:32:00,818
Speaker 2: here a little bit a VP. That was the compliment.

644
00:32:01,818 --> 00:32:06,138
Speaker 2: Here comes the the the insult of the compliment, sandwich.

645
00:32:06,898 --> 00:32:09,298
Speaker 2: Everything that I just said about all the progress the

646
00:32:09,338 --> 00:32:12,498
Speaker 2: offense is making and how I'm actually coming around to

647
00:32:12,578 --> 00:32:15,738
Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt, the opposite is true on the defensive

648
00:32:15,738 --> 00:32:19,978
Speaker 2: side of the football, and on this show, I can't

649
00:32:20,018 --> 00:32:23,378
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember the exact show that we talked about this, Alex,

650
00:32:23,418 --> 00:32:25,538
Speaker 2: but I know we talked about it. Maybe you can

651
00:32:25,618 --> 00:32:28,618
Speaker 2: help me because my memory stinks for reasons that can

652
00:32:28,658 --> 00:32:33,258
Speaker 2: stay off the air. The show that we did where

653
00:32:33,258 --> 00:32:35,578
Speaker 2: we said that Girod needed to be more involved on

654
00:32:35,618 --> 00:32:38,898
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball Ago maybe San Francisco

655
00:32:39,098 --> 00:32:42,898
Speaker 2: issues that. Yeah, I've been on this for a while.

656
00:32:42,978 --> 00:32:45,858
Speaker 2: I believe you've brought up a couple times. I think

657
00:32:45,858 --> 00:32:51,138
Speaker 2: we did it once post Drake may starting. We're at

658
00:32:51,138 --> 00:32:55,218
Speaker 2: the point now where call it for what it is.

659
00:32:56,578 --> 00:33:00,418
Speaker 2: I don't think that they've been super well coached, well

660
00:33:00,498 --> 00:33:03,458
Speaker 2: coordinated on the defensive side of the football, and the

661
00:33:03,498 --> 00:33:06,378
Speaker 2: stats are with me. They're thirtieth in the league in DVOA.

662
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:09,178
Speaker 2: They're twenty eighth in the league and EPA per play,

663
00:33:09,458 --> 00:33:11,458
Speaker 2: they're eighteenth in points per game. I know, I got

664
00:33:11,458 --> 00:33:13,138
Speaker 2: to get that one in there for you, but that

665
00:33:13,178 --> 00:33:15,498
Speaker 2: doesn't even do a justice to me. Like the eighteenth

666
00:33:15,538 --> 00:33:18,018
Speaker 2: doesn't sound that bad, Like that's like middle of the pack, right,

667
00:33:18,098 --> 00:33:21,018
Speaker 2: Like they're they're defensively. You know, if I told you

668
00:33:21,338 --> 00:33:23,458
Speaker 2: that all they gave up to the Rams was twenty

669
00:33:23,538 --> 00:33:26,138
Speaker 2: eight points, like on the service, it's not great, but

670
00:33:26,178 --> 00:33:29,178
Speaker 2: it's not fifty, right, it doesn't sound terrible. But when

671
00:33:29,218 --> 00:33:31,458
Speaker 2: you look at the numbers in the efficiency in which

672
00:33:31,498 --> 00:33:34,218
Speaker 2: the Rams scored in they scored twenty eight points in

673
00:33:34,258 --> 00:33:37,538
Speaker 2: twenty two minutes of game time. They averaged seven point

674
00:33:37,618 --> 00:33:41,258
Speaker 2: nine yards per play, you know, like they they could

675
00:33:41,258 --> 00:33:43,698
Speaker 2: not stop the Rams. They did not stop the Rams.

676
00:33:43,738 --> 00:33:45,738
Speaker 2: I would say the same thing is true if I

677
00:33:45,818 --> 00:33:48,498
Speaker 2: told you in Week three, on that Thursday night game

678
00:33:48,498 --> 00:33:51,058
Speaker 2: that they gave up twenty four points to the Jets.

679
00:33:51,498 --> 00:33:54,178
Speaker 2: On the surface, that doesn't sound that terrible. Twenty four

680
00:33:54,218 --> 00:33:56,458
Speaker 2: points in the league now is like average, right for

681
00:33:56,538 --> 00:33:58,978
Speaker 2: a team every week. Did they play good defense that

682
00:33:59,138 --> 00:34:02,498
Speaker 2: night in the Meadowlands? Absolutely not. They could not stop

683
00:34:02,538 --> 00:34:06,258
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers at all, So defensively. This has been going

684
00:34:06,258 --> 00:34:08,897
Speaker 2: on all year that they haven't been coached very well.

685
00:34:08,898 --> 00:34:12,138
Speaker 2: There's some specific things that I want to get into,

686
00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:15,658
Speaker 2: but before we do, like what is your where? What's

687
00:34:15,698 --> 00:34:18,377
Speaker 2: your temperature at right now? With DeMarcus Cumington and the

688
00:34:18,418 --> 00:34:20,417
Speaker 2: defensive setup, we.

689
00:34:20,338 --> 00:34:22,778
Speaker 3: Had talked about this. Now we gotta go back again.

690
00:34:23,658 --> 00:34:25,978
Speaker 3: We had talked about this that they were just like

691
00:34:26,058 --> 00:34:28,578
Speaker 3: it was too much on defense. They're getting too cute.

692
00:34:28,618 --> 00:34:32,618
Speaker 3: There was too much of the rotation coverages and disguising

693
00:34:32,658 --> 00:34:34,977
Speaker 3: this and disguising that. That was like two or three

694
00:34:35,018 --> 00:34:37,098
Speaker 3: weeks into the season. I think we talked about that. Yeah,

695
00:34:37,138 --> 00:34:39,818
Speaker 3: and then I felt like it had settled down and

696
00:34:39,858 --> 00:34:42,337
Speaker 3: they had done more to get back to basics. Yeah,

697
00:34:42,378 --> 00:34:44,378
Speaker 3: and maybe that's because they were down a bunch of players.

698
00:34:44,818 --> 00:34:47,698
Speaker 3: It feels like that's ramped back up. Where I know

699
00:34:47,778 --> 00:34:49,578
Speaker 3: you say, I asked you about the staff for the game.

700
00:34:49,578 --> 00:34:51,698
Speaker 3: I know he said, like Anthony Jennings only played four

701
00:34:51,698 --> 00:34:53,498
Speaker 3: coverage snaps or whatever. It was a corner of PFF.

702
00:34:53,578 --> 00:34:55,978
Speaker 3: But I noticed a handful of times where like he

703
00:34:56,418 --> 00:35:00,777
Speaker 3: wasn't setting the edges aggressively as he was.

704
00:35:00,818 --> 00:35:02,817
Speaker 2: He did not have a good game right or.

705
00:35:02,858 --> 00:35:05,818
Speaker 3: But it didn't look like he was handling his assignment different,

706
00:35:05,858 --> 00:35:07,098
Speaker 3: not just that he was playing.

707
00:35:07,498 --> 00:35:10,258
Speaker 2: I just thought that his run force was nowhere near

708
00:35:10,298 --> 00:35:12,218
Speaker 2: as good as it usually is. So so whatever was.

709
00:35:12,178 --> 00:35:16,218
Speaker 3: Behind that, yeah, but it just he looked so part

710
00:35:16,258 --> 00:35:18,777
Speaker 3: of it too, was I guess what I what I

711
00:35:18,818 --> 00:35:21,978
Speaker 3: noticed like he was lining up a little further out

712
00:35:22,578 --> 00:35:24,978
Speaker 3: and he was lining up more upright. And they're putting

713
00:35:25,778 --> 00:35:28,938
Speaker 3: Yannick and Gockway handing the dirt or Christian Barmore at

714
00:35:28,978 --> 00:35:29,538
Speaker 3: defensive end.

715
00:35:29,578 --> 00:35:29,938
Speaker 2: And I get it.

716
00:35:29,978 --> 00:35:32,458
Speaker 3: You want to get those guys involved, but you want

717
00:35:32,498 --> 00:35:35,498
Speaker 3: to get them involved, like I wouldn't change Anthony Jennings's role.

718
00:35:35,618 --> 00:35:37,898
Speaker 3: Is there a way that you can get both of

719
00:35:37,898 --> 00:35:40,618
Speaker 3: those things right in like that? Uh, some of the

720
00:35:40,658 --> 00:35:44,298
Speaker 3: coverage stuff. I know we disagree exactly on their usage

721
00:35:44,298 --> 00:35:45,498
Speaker 3: of Christian Gonzalz.

722
00:35:45,138 --> 00:35:47,098
Speaker 2: But I would say, yeah, I wanted to get into that,

723
00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:48,418
Speaker 2: so let's unpack it.

724
00:35:48,498 --> 00:35:51,258
Speaker 3: It just it it felt like they were doing a

725
00:35:51,258 --> 00:35:53,938
Speaker 3: little too much of time. They're running these zones and

726
00:35:54,058 --> 00:35:56,698
Speaker 3: like Pukku is running the wide open spaces. Yeah, and

727
00:35:56,738 --> 00:35:58,498
Speaker 3: it's happening into the second half of the game. So

728
00:35:59,618 --> 00:36:02,898
Speaker 3: too cute, not enough adjustments. It just feels like it

729
00:36:02,938 --> 00:36:04,218
Speaker 3: did back at the beginning of the season.

730
00:36:04,338 --> 00:36:05,618
Speaker 2: So there are a couple of things I want to

731
00:36:05,858 --> 00:36:09,618
Speaker 2: unpack here with the defense specifically. So I don't want

732
00:36:09,618 --> 00:36:11,698
Speaker 2: to start with Gonzo because I'm gonna probably get fired

733
00:36:11,738 --> 00:36:14,298
Speaker 2: up and we can let's let's end with Gonzo. Okay.

734
00:36:14,738 --> 00:36:16,658
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I want to start with on

735
00:36:16,698 --> 00:36:19,458
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball is something that I

736
00:36:19,498 --> 00:36:22,498
Speaker 2: have been harping on since I know this for a fact.

737
00:36:22,858 --> 00:36:24,698
Speaker 2: I brought this up for the first time when they

738
00:36:24,698 --> 00:36:28,698
Speaker 2: played San Francisco. So all teams are doing, especially these

739
00:36:28,778 --> 00:36:31,138
Speaker 2: Shanahan Tree teams, and we're gonna face another one on

740
00:36:31,218 --> 00:36:34,138
Speaker 2: Sunday in Miami, and I guarantee you Mike McDaniel is

741
00:36:34,138 --> 00:36:37,618
Speaker 2: gonna do the same exact thing. Teams are putting heavy

742
00:36:37,618 --> 00:36:40,058
Speaker 2: personnel on the field. The Rams played a ton of

743
00:36:40,058 --> 00:36:43,098
Speaker 2: two tight ends in this game. They played heavy personnel

744
00:36:43,178 --> 00:36:46,178
Speaker 2: on the field. They know the Patriots are gonna match

745
00:36:46,178 --> 00:36:48,578
Speaker 2: it in base defense, and then they're just putting the

746
00:36:48,578 --> 00:36:51,178
Speaker 2: Patriots linebackers at the point of attack and throwing at

747
00:36:51,178 --> 00:36:54,418
Speaker 2: the Patriots linebackers. We know the Patriots linebackers are not

748
00:36:54,418 --> 00:36:56,658
Speaker 2: good in space. We know they're not good in coverage.

749
00:36:56,938 --> 00:36:59,778
Speaker 2: It's just not their strong suit, right there. Jelani Tavai,

750
00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:04,138
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings dropping off the line of scrimmage. Christianellis is

751
00:37:04,178 --> 00:37:06,378
Speaker 2: really a special teamer that's been asked to play a

752
00:37:06,418 --> 00:37:10,098
Speaker 2: whole lot more because of injuries and poor roster construction.

753
00:37:10,578 --> 00:37:15,538
Speaker 2: So they're they're asking they're trying to play a lot

754
00:37:15,618 --> 00:37:20,018
Speaker 2: in base defense to physically match the opponent and not

755
00:37:20,138 --> 00:37:23,538
Speaker 2: give up the yards on the ground. And first of all,

756
00:37:23,578 --> 00:37:27,538
Speaker 2: I just think that's that's backwards thinking. Like if I'm

757
00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:31,018
Speaker 2: the Patriots, I'm thinking to myself, I'm gonna play Nickel.

758
00:37:31,258 --> 00:37:33,418
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll play big Nickel with three safety, but I'm

759
00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:36,818
Speaker 2: gonna play Nickel. Run it, run it because my offense,

760
00:37:37,178 --> 00:37:39,418
Speaker 2: you know, we're not gonna score thirty five on offense,

761
00:37:39,778 --> 00:37:41,777
Speaker 2: all right, We're not there yet. So if the other

762
00:37:41,858 --> 00:37:45,258
Speaker 2: team runs the ball and they take up time and

763
00:37:45,298 --> 00:37:48,658
Speaker 2: they have to march ten twelve plays to score touchdowns,

764
00:37:48,858 --> 00:37:51,377
Speaker 2: you're shortening the game. So then you're keeping the game

765
00:37:51,498 --> 00:37:53,618
Speaker 2: lower scoring, right, Like, you're keeping the game in the

766
00:37:53,658 --> 00:37:57,098
Speaker 2: twenties by doing that. So invite the run, like, don't

767
00:37:57,098 --> 00:37:58,858
Speaker 2: give up. I'm not saying to give up eight yards

768
00:37:58,858 --> 00:38:02,898
Speaker 2: a carry, but like, don't panic about the yards on

769
00:38:02,938 --> 00:38:06,538
Speaker 2: the ground. This coaching staff seems more concerned about stopping

770
00:38:06,538 --> 00:38:09,578
Speaker 2: the run than stopping the pass. And that's backwards, like that,

771
00:38:09,578 --> 00:38:11,418
Speaker 2: that's not how you should be coaching. This thing.

772
00:38:11,538 --> 00:38:13,417
Speaker 3: Is some of it just because they've been so bad

773
00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:15,538
Speaker 3: against the run, because because like you said, don't give

774
00:38:15,618 --> 00:38:17,498
Speaker 3: up eight yards of carry, and weren't giving up eight.

775
00:38:17,618 --> 00:38:21,218
Speaker 3: But you look at that that Jacksonville game, and you know,

776
00:38:21,258 --> 00:38:23,618
Speaker 3: as we get to this Rams game itself, and I

777
00:38:23,618 --> 00:38:26,178
Speaker 3: don't think the Rams and Jags are similar teams, but

778
00:38:26,778 --> 00:38:28,618
Speaker 3: it felt like a very similar game. You had that

779
00:38:28,698 --> 00:38:31,738
Speaker 3: hot start and then it just fell apart and it

780
00:38:31,818 --> 00:38:34,258
Speaker 3: started attacking you. And I wonder if some of that's

781
00:38:34,338 --> 00:38:35,978
Speaker 3: just an overcorrection to what had happened.

782
00:38:36,018 --> 00:38:38,378
Speaker 2: So here's some stats for you about their base defense,

783
00:38:38,458 --> 00:38:42,018
Speaker 2: because this is just alarming, right, So let's stick to

784
00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:44,138
Speaker 2: the Rams game specifically, and then I'll give you the

785
00:38:44,138 --> 00:38:47,418
Speaker 2: season stats. Here in a second, in the Rams game

786
00:38:47,458 --> 00:38:50,178
Speaker 2: against Los Angeles, and I texted one of these numbers

787
00:38:50,218 --> 00:38:53,498
Speaker 2: to you last night. They were in base defense the

788
00:38:53,538 --> 00:38:57,018
Speaker 2: Patriots twenty five times twenty five snaps in base defense

789
00:38:57,058 --> 00:39:00,858
Speaker 2: out of fifty one plays, the Rams averaged ten point

790
00:39:00,938 --> 00:39:04,578
Speaker 2: three yards per play when the Patriots were in base defense.

791
00:39:05,338 --> 00:39:09,778
Speaker 2: When the Rams passed in base defense, there's twelve passes.

792
00:39:09,818 --> 00:39:14,938
Speaker 2: Twelve passes to thirteen runs, eighteen point one yards per

793
00:39:15,018 --> 00:39:19,658
Speaker 2: pass play. It's too many eighteen in base defense. So

794
00:39:19,898 --> 00:39:23,897
Speaker 2: what's happening in all these games and the Patriots are

795
00:39:23,978 --> 00:39:27,338
Speaker 2: just letting it happen like they're just they're just continuing

796
00:39:27,498 --> 00:39:30,738
Speaker 2: to do it over and over again, is to are

797
00:39:30,778 --> 00:39:34,898
Speaker 2: getting them into their base with heavy personnel offensively, and

798
00:39:34,938 --> 00:39:38,138
Speaker 2: they're throwing at their base defense and they do not

799
00:39:38,258 --> 00:39:40,618
Speaker 2: have the horses at the second level the defense to

800
00:39:40,698 --> 00:39:43,938
Speaker 2: play base coverage. They just don't. So eighteen point one

801
00:39:44,058 --> 00:39:46,898
Speaker 2: yards per play on the season, the Patriots now have

802
00:39:46,978 --> 00:39:50,498
Speaker 2: the second highest base rate in the league. On the season,

803
00:39:50,898 --> 00:39:53,738
Speaker 2: they are giving up six point three yards per play

804
00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:57,178
Speaker 2: in base defense. That's thirtieth in the NFL. So they

805
00:39:57,178 --> 00:39:59,538
Speaker 2: are playing the second highest rate of base and they're

806
00:39:59,578 --> 00:40:02,658
Speaker 2: giving up the third most yards in base So this

807
00:40:02,698 --> 00:40:04,498
Speaker 2: has been going on all year. Like we've talked about

808
00:40:04,498 --> 00:40:07,418
Speaker 2: this multiple times. In this game against the Rams, that

809
00:40:07,498 --> 00:40:12,417
Speaker 2: happened again, Mike McDaniel. In the Miami Dolphins, they only

810
00:40:12,498 --> 00:40:16,858
Speaker 2: play eleven personnel three wide receivers like twenty eight percent

811
00:40:16,898 --> 00:40:19,178
Speaker 2: of the time. They are not a three wide receiver team.

812
00:40:19,338 --> 00:40:21,858
Speaker 2: They're a Shanahan team. They're a twelve personnel team or

813
00:40:21,858 --> 00:40:24,817
Speaker 2: a twenty one personnel team. So Mike McDaniel is gonna

814
00:40:24,818 --> 00:40:27,378
Speaker 2: put two tight ends on the field, Johnny Smith and

815
00:40:27,418 --> 00:40:30,058
Speaker 2: the other dude that they play like blanking on right now,

816
00:40:30,458 --> 00:40:33,578
Speaker 2: Irik Killing Jalen Waddle will be on the outside, Davon

817
00:40:33,898 --> 00:40:36,098
Speaker 2: hn is going to be in the backfield, and their

818
00:40:36,178 --> 00:40:38,978
Speaker 2: speed is going to be against Jolanie Devai and Christian

819
00:40:39,018 --> 00:40:43,338
Speaker 2: Ellis and Anthony Jennings coming across the field. And I

820
00:40:43,418 --> 00:40:45,897
Speaker 2: just don't see how that could possibly be a good

821
00:40:45,938 --> 00:40:49,258
Speaker 2: game plan. Like that's just not going to work. So

822
00:40:49,298 --> 00:40:51,698
Speaker 2: they've been doing this all year long with the base defense.

823
00:40:51,698 --> 00:40:53,817
Speaker 2: That's item number one. They got to get out of base.

824
00:40:54,018 --> 00:40:56,538
Speaker 3: Do you think some of that is just and I'm

825
00:40:56,538 --> 00:40:58,938
Speaker 3: not saying that looks if it's not working, you got

826
00:40:58,978 --> 00:41:00,378
Speaker 3: to adjust out of it. And this goes back to

827
00:41:00,378 --> 00:41:03,777
Speaker 3: what my thought on Covington in this game. Regardless of

828
00:41:03,818 --> 00:41:05,258
Speaker 3: what you think of the game play and going in,

829
00:41:05,298 --> 00:41:07,978
Speaker 3: it didn't work and they needed to adjust out of it.

830
00:41:10,178 --> 00:41:13,658
Speaker 3: Do you think some of it is lack of availability.

831
00:41:13,658 --> 00:41:15,618
Speaker 3: They've been banged up at corner, they've been banged up

832
00:41:15,618 --> 00:41:18,498
Speaker 3: at safety. Does it go to roster construction and just yeah,

833
00:41:18,578 --> 00:41:21,777
Speaker 3: you know, the best way to get you know, your

834
00:41:21,778 --> 00:41:24,138
Speaker 3: most trusted players on the field might be in base,

835
00:41:24,218 --> 00:41:25,377
Speaker 3: even if base doesn't make sense.

836
00:41:25,378 --> 00:41:27,858
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying it's right. My read on it

837
00:41:27,938 --> 00:41:30,938
Speaker 2: is what you said earlier. They don't feel like they

838
00:41:30,938 --> 00:41:33,897
Speaker 2: can stop the run in nickel and the first time

839
00:41:33,898 --> 00:41:35,698
Speaker 2: that they played the Dolphins, they played a lot of

840
00:41:35,698 --> 00:41:38,857
Speaker 2: big three safety nickel and the Dolphins. Remember in Week

841
00:41:38,898 --> 00:41:40,818
Speaker 2: five they ran all over the Patriots. I think it

842
00:41:40,858 --> 00:41:43,018
Speaker 2: was like one hundred and ninety yards or something like that.

843
00:41:43,458 --> 00:41:47,178
Speaker 2: But again, my rebuttal to that is that, Okay, you

844
00:41:47,218 --> 00:41:49,698
Speaker 2: gave up one hundred and ninety yards. How many points

845
00:41:49,738 --> 00:41:53,218
Speaker 2: did you give up? You only gave up fifteen and

846
00:41:53,338 --> 00:41:57,538
Speaker 2: you were a heel away from winning the game, right, So, like,

847
00:41:57,938 --> 00:42:02,178
Speaker 2: even though you are struggling to stop the run in

848
00:42:02,498 --> 00:42:06,658
Speaker 2: nickel defense, it's keeping the game close. Like and now

849
00:42:06,898 --> 00:42:09,817
Speaker 2: they have Drake May at quarterback, you have to think

850
00:42:09,858 --> 00:42:12,857
Speaker 2: that they're gonna win a game in the teens maybe

851
00:42:12,898 --> 00:42:16,058
Speaker 2: a little bit easier than they would have five weeks ago,

852
00:42:16,538 --> 00:42:19,818
Speaker 2: six weeks ago. So that's item number one. Got to

853
00:42:19,858 --> 00:42:22,698
Speaker 2: get out of base defense item number two, And this,

854
00:42:22,858 --> 00:42:26,018
Speaker 2: to me is out of anything that they did on Sunday.

855
00:42:26,258 --> 00:42:28,698
Speaker 2: I still can't wrap my head around the fact that

856
00:42:28,738 --> 00:42:32,578
Speaker 2: they blitzed Matthew Stafford eighteen times like that, to me

857
00:42:32,818 --> 00:42:37,498
Speaker 2: is just really just not understanding the situation. Like you're

858
00:42:37,538 --> 00:42:40,498
Speaker 2: going up against his sixteen year veteran in the league,

859
00:42:40,898 --> 00:42:42,698
Speaker 2: and I think Stafford's elite. I think he's one of

860
00:42:42,698 --> 00:42:45,298
Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in the league. When you play really

861
00:42:45,298 --> 00:42:49,018
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks that are veteran guys in this league, anybody

862
00:42:49,018 --> 00:42:51,178
Speaker 2: would tell you you don't blitz those types of guys.

863
00:42:51,378 --> 00:42:53,938
Speaker 2: You never. You don't blitz Brady, right, You don't take

864
00:42:53,978 --> 00:42:56,138
Speaker 2: guys out of coverage and blitz Brady. What was the

865
00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:59,458
Speaker 2: plan for Brady? It was used four to get after him,

866
00:42:59,898 --> 00:43:03,498
Speaker 2: drop seven into coverage and try to tighten up those windows.

867
00:43:03,898 --> 00:43:06,618
Speaker 2: If you blitz Matthew Stafford eighteen times, he's gonna do

868
00:43:06,658 --> 00:43:08,698
Speaker 2: exactly what he did in this game. It's like two

869
00:43:09,058 --> 00:43:11,738
Speaker 2: and twenty yards and three touchdowns against the blitz. It

870
00:43:11,858 --> 00:43:15,498
Speaker 2: wasn't just the sixty nine yard touchdown to Cooper Cup

871
00:43:15,538 --> 00:43:17,458
Speaker 2: Like he was shredding them in five and six man

872
00:43:17,578 --> 00:43:20,978
Speaker 2: coverage all the time. So you talked about the motion

873
00:43:21,098 --> 00:43:23,778
Speaker 2: and then Pokin Nakua was just these like wide open voids.

874
00:43:24,138 --> 00:43:26,938
Speaker 2: All they were doing is they were motioning Pokin Nakua

875
00:43:26,978 --> 00:43:30,138
Speaker 2: across the field and they were opening voids right. They

876
00:43:30,138 --> 00:43:33,897
Speaker 2: were just stretching out the Patriots zone coverage. And since

877
00:43:33,938 --> 00:43:37,298
Speaker 2: the Patriots are rushing five guys and dropping six into coverage,

878
00:43:37,378 --> 00:43:40,338
Speaker 2: they just didn't have enough bodies in the secondary to

879
00:43:40,378 --> 00:43:43,938
Speaker 2: cover all the grass on the field, and with emotion

880
00:43:44,138 --> 00:43:46,938
Speaker 2: in the formations, were stretching them out so much and

881
00:43:46,978 --> 00:43:49,458
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, there's these gaping holes in

882
00:43:49,498 --> 00:43:52,858
Speaker 2: these zone coverages. So a lot of what happened on Sunday,

883
00:43:53,378 --> 00:43:55,897
Speaker 2: especially a lot of the Nikua yards. I would say

884
00:43:56,258 --> 00:43:58,218
Speaker 2: he had one play where they were in drop eight

885
00:43:58,338 --> 00:44:00,498
Speaker 2: that was a big play on Marco Wilson. But a

886
00:44:00,538 --> 00:44:03,138
Speaker 2: lot of the plays that Nikua had in this game

887
00:44:03,178 --> 00:44:05,777
Speaker 2: that were big chunks of yardage were because they were

888
00:44:06,138 --> 00:44:09,938
Speaker 2: dropping six guys into coverage and trying to cover them

889
00:44:10,178 --> 00:44:12,817
Speaker 2: with six instead of seven, and it just burned them

890
00:44:13,058 --> 00:44:13,978
Speaker 2: time and time again.

891
00:44:14,258 --> 00:44:17,098
Speaker 3: I mean, is that a product of Again, you're in base,

892
00:44:17,458 --> 00:44:18,897
Speaker 3: you know to fly. It's not a guy you're gonna

893
00:44:18,898 --> 00:44:20,297
Speaker 3: put in coverage, all right, but we need him out

894
00:44:20,338 --> 00:44:21,218
Speaker 3: there to stop the runs.

895
00:44:21,218 --> 00:44:23,498
Speaker 2: So when they throw lish, just blitz them. Is it

896
00:44:23,498 --> 00:44:25,897
Speaker 2: a product to that? And the ones probably the one

897
00:44:25,898 --> 00:44:27,978
Speaker 2: that stood out to me, And obviously, I mean I'm

898
00:44:28,698 --> 00:44:29,458
Speaker 2: not alone.

899
00:44:29,218 --> 00:44:32,658
Speaker 3: In saying that this was a big play. The Cooper

900
00:44:32,698 --> 00:44:35,258
Speaker 3: Cup touchdown on the zero blitz. Yeah, where they bring

901
00:44:35,338 --> 00:44:38,018
Speaker 3: seven and don't get home. And I think a lot

902
00:44:38,098 --> 00:44:42,458
Speaker 3: of people maybe misunderstand what happened there, Like that's I'm

903
00:44:42,458 --> 00:44:44,258
Speaker 3: not gonna say Jonathan Jones played that perfectly.

904
00:44:44,298 --> 00:44:44,778
Speaker 2: He didn't.

905
00:44:44,898 --> 00:44:47,418
Speaker 3: But the idea of a cover blitz, especially when you

906
00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:49,978
Speaker 3: bring seven, think about it. Seven, you're leaving four in coverage,

907
00:44:50,138 --> 00:44:54,658
Speaker 3: so your default leaving somebody open. Yeah, Like not like

908
00:44:54,778 --> 00:44:57,018
Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna be in zone with no open

909
00:44:57,218 --> 00:44:59,978
Speaker 3: you have four to cover five. What you're trying to

910
00:45:00,018 --> 00:45:03,378
Speaker 3: do in that play is when you rush seven, you're

911
00:45:03,378 --> 00:45:06,337
Speaker 3: trying to get in the quarterback's lap and he may

912
00:45:06,378 --> 00:45:08,218
Speaker 3: throw it. He may have somebody open, but he's gonna

913
00:45:08,218 --> 00:45:10,377
Speaker 3: have to throw it off his back foot or through

914
00:45:10,458 --> 00:45:14,377
Speaker 3: contact or whatever. The Patriots bring seven. Not only does

915
00:45:14,418 --> 00:45:17,978
Speaker 3: Stafford able to throw that clean, he has a pocket

916
00:45:18,018 --> 00:45:20,898
Speaker 3: to step up into. And I go back to the

917
00:45:20,898 --> 00:45:25,298
Speaker 3: play I've used to explain it super Bowl fifty three. Yeah,

918
00:45:25,138 --> 00:45:29,458
Speaker 3: the zero blitz where Brandon Cooks is in a sense

919
00:45:29,578 --> 00:45:32,978
Speaker 3: open if Jared Goff can get enough on that ball,

920
00:45:33,138 --> 00:45:35,298
Speaker 3: but Kylevin Nooy's right in his face, he has to

921
00:45:35,338 --> 00:45:36,178
Speaker 3: throw out fading away.

922
00:45:36,218 --> 00:45:36,698
Speaker 2: It's a duck.

923
00:45:36,778 --> 00:45:39,378
Speaker 3: It's fifteen yard short. Steff On Gilmour's right there. So

924
00:45:39,418 --> 00:45:42,418
Speaker 3: you look at where Jonathan Jones is. If they actually

925
00:45:42,498 --> 00:45:44,018
Speaker 3: get to Stafford, he has to throw that off his

926
00:45:44,098 --> 00:45:46,698
Speaker 3: back foot. Jonathan Jones probably, if he even gets that far,

927
00:45:46,778 --> 00:45:48,738
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones probably knocks it down like he's in a

928
00:45:48,738 --> 00:45:49,978
Speaker 3: decent enough position.

929
00:45:49,658 --> 00:45:54,498
Speaker 2: To play that. You to say that, well, you know

930
00:45:55,858 --> 00:45:58,178
Speaker 2: Stafford had well they Stafford had times he hit a

931
00:45:58,178 --> 00:46:00,058
Speaker 2: pocket on a plane, which he's not supposed to have

932
00:46:00,098 --> 00:46:00,538
Speaker 2: a pocket.

933
00:46:00,618 --> 00:46:02,498
Speaker 3: Yeah, based on the defensive call. So it's not just

934
00:46:02,538 --> 00:46:05,858
Speaker 3: how much they're blitzing, it's how much they're blitzing and

935
00:46:05,938 --> 00:46:08,258
Speaker 3: not getting any impact from the blitz. It would be

936
00:46:08,298 --> 00:46:11,418
Speaker 3: one thing like you talk about, don't blitz Stafford that much? Sure, Well,

937
00:46:11,418 --> 00:46:13,458
Speaker 3: if you're getting a ton of pressure and he's uncomfortable

938
00:46:13,498 --> 00:46:15,458
Speaker 3: and you're knocking him around, you're moving him off his spot.

939
00:46:15,498 --> 00:46:17,858
Speaker 3: That's one thing, you know, to blitz that heavy. And

940
00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:19,258
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, well he beat us a couple

941
00:46:19,338 --> 00:46:21,297
Speaker 3: times when we were getting to him and we were

942
00:46:21,298 --> 00:46:24,578
Speaker 3: trying to wear him down. They had six pressures, three

943
00:46:24,618 --> 00:46:28,418
Speaker 3: quarterback hits. So it's not so much to me just

944
00:46:28,458 --> 00:46:32,538
Speaker 3: how much they blitzed. It's how much they blitzed without success.

945
00:46:32,778 --> 00:46:35,418
Speaker 2: Yeah, how ineffective the blitzer are. It's a really good point.

946
00:46:35,578 --> 00:46:40,298
Speaker 2: And I remember in twenty nineteen, first half of twenty nineteen,

947
00:46:40,338 --> 00:46:43,018
Speaker 2: Remember how much Cover zero they were running that year. Yeah,

948
00:46:43,178 --> 00:46:44,898
Speaker 2: it was like the whole thing. It was the whole thing,

949
00:46:44,938 --> 00:46:47,377
Speaker 2: the Boogeyman. It was insane. And they had to find

950
00:46:47,418 --> 00:46:49,777
Speaker 2: Gilmore to take number ones one on one so they

951
00:46:49,778 --> 00:46:52,458
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily need to give him help and all that.

952
00:46:52,818 --> 00:46:55,138
Speaker 2: And I remember talking into the in the locker room

953
00:46:55,178 --> 00:46:59,258
Speaker 2: with the McCarty's actually, and I don't remember if it

954
00:46:59,258 --> 00:47:01,698
Speaker 2: was Devin or Jason, but one of them said to me,

955
00:47:02,298 --> 00:47:05,218
Speaker 2: if we're gonna run Cover zero, we better get home, right.

956
00:47:05,338 --> 00:47:07,738
Speaker 2: It was like that's the thing with Cover zero, Like

957
00:47:08,138 --> 00:47:09,618
Speaker 2: if you are going to run it like us and

958
00:47:09,698 --> 00:47:12,218
Speaker 2: the like. You know, we always say to the guys

959
00:47:12,298 --> 00:47:14,618
Speaker 2: up front when we're in the back, like if we're

960
00:47:14,618 --> 00:47:17,978
Speaker 2: gonna run cover zero, then you guys better get pressure

961
00:47:18,018 --> 00:47:20,778
Speaker 2: on the quarterback. Otherwise it's gonna be a big play. Yeah,

962
00:47:20,898 --> 00:47:24,058
Speaker 2: And that play right there is a perfect example. I

963
00:47:24,098 --> 00:47:26,978
Speaker 2: thought Jonathan Jones's leverage was poor, you know, like he

964
00:47:27,178 --> 00:47:30,178
Speaker 2: set up outside of Cooper Cup when he really should

965
00:47:30,178 --> 00:47:32,857
Speaker 2: have said up inside. Because when you play cover zero,

966
00:47:33,578 --> 00:47:36,857
Speaker 2: you think that in breakers, slants things like that are

967
00:47:36,898 --> 00:47:38,538
Speaker 2: gonna be the beater to that. Or you're trying to

968
00:47:38,578 --> 00:47:40,417
Speaker 2: play the hot round, right, So you're trying to play

969
00:47:40,538 --> 00:47:42,538
Speaker 2: exactly you're trying to play the hot and by taking

970
00:47:42,578 --> 00:47:45,018
Speaker 2: away the middle of the field and try to force

971
00:47:45,098 --> 00:47:46,777
Speaker 2: him to throw like a fade or something down the

972
00:47:46,778 --> 00:47:49,458
Speaker 2: sideline to beat you inside, get more arm. Yeah, but

973
00:47:51,738 --> 00:47:53,777
Speaker 2: say your point about them not getting home is the

974
00:47:53,818 --> 00:47:55,178
Speaker 2: more important. Yeah. Again, it's not.

975
00:47:55,338 --> 00:47:57,858
Speaker 3: Actually Jonathan Jones did not play well. He had that

976
00:47:57,858 --> 00:48:00,178
Speaker 3: one pass break up late, So it's not excuses.

977
00:48:00,178 --> 00:48:01,658
Speaker 2: But like I saw a lot.

978
00:48:01,498 --> 00:48:03,498
Speaker 3: Of people be like, why is Jonathan Jones on the

979
00:48:03,538 --> 00:48:05,698
Speaker 3: field in that spot? The issue on that play is

980
00:48:05,738 --> 00:48:09,338
Speaker 3: not where Jonathan Jones was or his assignment whether or

981
00:48:09,378 --> 00:48:11,418
Speaker 3: not you should call cover zero there. I mean, we

982
00:48:11,458 --> 00:48:15,058
Speaker 3: can debate the call itself, but if you're gonna call

983
00:48:15,058 --> 00:48:19,018
Speaker 3: cover zero, the quarterback should not be standing at the

984
00:48:19,098 --> 00:48:19,538
Speaker 3: end of the play.

985
00:48:19,578 --> 00:48:22,218
Speaker 2: Maybe he gets a throw off, but you you need

986
00:48:22,258 --> 00:48:23,498
Speaker 2: to be in his face right away.

987
00:48:23,538 --> 00:48:25,418
Speaker 3: You need to be knocking him down. The fact that

988
00:48:25,458 --> 00:48:27,058
Speaker 3: he didn't just throw a clean but a pocket to

989
00:48:27,058 --> 00:48:28,978
Speaker 3: step up into is very damning.

990
00:48:29,058 --> 00:48:31,658
Speaker 2: Okay, So last point on the d because I do

991
00:48:31,778 --> 00:48:35,058
Speaker 2: understand the criticism of the usage of Christian Gonzales, I

992
00:48:35,138 --> 00:48:38,258
Speaker 2: might not fully. It's not that I disagree. I just

993
00:48:38,418 --> 00:48:41,898
Speaker 2: I this one. I understand the logic. I don't understand

994
00:48:41,938 --> 00:48:44,938
Speaker 2: the logic of butch and blitzing Matthew Stafford eighteen times

995
00:48:45,058 --> 00:48:48,418
Speaker 2: like that to me is illogical, Like that doesn't There's

996
00:48:48,458 --> 00:48:51,178
Speaker 2: certain things I always look at it and say, Okay,

997
00:48:51,218 --> 00:48:54,738
Speaker 2: these guys are head coaches, are coordinators in the NFL.

998
00:48:54,778 --> 00:48:57,138
Speaker 2: I am not okay. They know more about football than

999
00:48:57,178 --> 00:49:00,138
Speaker 2: I do, full stop, right, So let's ask ourselves what

1000
00:49:00,178 --> 00:49:04,058
Speaker 2: are they doing and is there a football reason for

1001
00:49:04,138 --> 00:49:08,738
Speaker 2: them doing that. I can understand what they were trying

1002
00:49:08,778 --> 00:49:11,578
Speaker 2: to accomplish with Gonzales. I can understand what they were

1003
00:49:11,578 --> 00:49:14,458
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish with blitzing Stafford eighteen times or playing

1004
00:49:14,498 --> 00:49:16,857
Speaker 2: as much base defense as they did. To me, there's

1005
00:49:16,898 --> 00:49:21,858
Speaker 2: no football explanation for that, the Gonzales stuff. The biggest

1006
00:49:21,858 --> 00:49:24,538
Speaker 2: thing that I reason why I can understand what they

1007
00:49:24,538 --> 00:49:29,098
Speaker 2: are trying to accomplish is that the Rams use a

1008
00:49:29,138 --> 00:49:31,658
Speaker 2: lot of motion, and they use a lot of ugly

1009
00:49:31,778 --> 00:49:34,458
Speaker 2: or nasty bunches, which means that they're in tight to

1010
00:49:34,498 --> 00:49:37,458
Speaker 2: the formation. Right. So what they're trying to do with

1011
00:49:37,538 --> 00:49:41,778
Speaker 2: all of that is play is caused traffic, tru cause chaos,

1012
00:49:43,018 --> 00:49:46,777
Speaker 2: try to pick man coverage defenders off, like all that

1013
00:49:46,898 --> 00:49:49,978
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. When you play teams that do that,

1014
00:49:51,178 --> 00:49:52,857
Speaker 2: like the Rams, and do it at a high level,

1015
00:49:53,458 --> 00:49:57,018
Speaker 2: it's very very difficult to shadow and it's very very

1016
00:49:57,058 --> 00:50:00,258
Speaker 2: difficult to play conventional man coverage. I'll give you an

1017
00:50:00,298 --> 00:50:03,218
Speaker 2: example beyond just Gonzales. If you watch the film of

1018
00:50:03,258 --> 00:50:06,018
Speaker 2: this game, back when the Rams are in their bunches,

1019
00:50:06,338 --> 00:50:09,018
Speaker 2: the Patriots played box rules out of the bunch, right,

1020
00:50:09,058 --> 00:50:12,218
Speaker 2: there'd be four Patriots and it's just first in first out,

1021
00:50:12,418 --> 00:50:14,618
Speaker 2: second in second out. Right, That's how you sort of

1022
00:50:14,938 --> 00:50:17,498
Speaker 2: sort it out of the box. When the Patriots play

1023
00:50:17,578 --> 00:50:21,418
Speaker 2: other teams in box or in a bunch coverage, they

1024
00:50:21,698 --> 00:50:23,618
Speaker 2: a lot of the times they play lock and level,

1025
00:50:23,818 --> 00:50:26,578
Speaker 2: which instead is is I'm locked into my man, but

1026
00:50:26,658 --> 00:50:29,458
Speaker 2: I'm at different levels so that we don't get picked off. Right.

1027
00:50:29,458 --> 00:50:31,338
Speaker 2: So you have one guy on the line a scrimmage,

1028
00:50:31,458 --> 00:50:33,938
Speaker 2: another guy's like two or three yards behind him, and

1029
00:50:33,938 --> 00:50:36,418
Speaker 2: another guy's like two to three yards behind him. But

1030
00:50:36,738 --> 00:50:38,458
Speaker 2: I have this guy, you have that guy, you have

1031
00:50:38,538 --> 00:50:41,338
Speaker 2: that guy. Against the Rams, they made a very concerted

1032
00:50:41,418 --> 00:50:44,458
Speaker 2: effort to zone off bunches because they knew that that

1033
00:50:44,578 --> 00:50:47,218
Speaker 2: McVeigh was just gonna switch release and cause all sorts

1034
00:50:47,258 --> 00:50:50,218
Speaker 2: of chaos to their man coverage. So in theory, I

1035
00:50:50,298 --> 00:50:53,778
Speaker 2: understood what they were going for by let's just play sides.

1036
00:50:54,138 --> 00:50:56,777
Speaker 2: Whoever comes out your side is who you cover. The

1037
00:50:56,858 --> 00:50:58,777
Speaker 2: problem is, as the course of the game went on,

1038
00:50:59,098 --> 00:51:01,538
Speaker 2: McVeigh caught on to what they were doing, and then

1039
00:51:01,578 --> 00:51:05,498
Speaker 2: he was just motioning Nikua away from Christian Gonzales, and

1040
00:51:05,538 --> 00:51:07,658
Speaker 2: that's when they started to get themselves into trump or

1041
00:51:07,698 --> 00:51:08,498
Speaker 2: just even setting up.

1042
00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:10,138
Speaker 3: I mean, there were a couple of times, the big

1043
00:51:10,178 --> 00:51:12,777
Speaker 3: one in the red zone where it's two tight ends

1044
00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:14,018
Speaker 3: to one side, three receivers.

1045
00:51:14,018 --> 00:51:16,018
Speaker 2: The other tight ends are on the Gonzales side. Yeah,

1046
00:51:16,018 --> 00:51:18,898
Speaker 2: the red zone stuff wasn't great in between the twenties.

1047
00:51:18,898 --> 00:51:21,578
Speaker 2: I am okay with what they did. The red zone

1048
00:51:21,618 --> 00:51:22,738
Speaker 2: stuff was a little bit more.

1049
00:51:22,858 --> 00:51:24,857
Speaker 3: So this is and this goes back to my point,

1050
00:51:24,858 --> 00:51:28,338
Speaker 3: and again it's about adjustments. I understand the thought process

1051
00:51:28,338 --> 00:51:30,418
Speaker 3: behind it. But like you said, McVeigh caught on yeah

1052
00:51:30,658 --> 00:51:33,898
Speaker 3: and answered right, okay, so now what's your counter to

1053
00:51:33,938 --> 00:51:36,538
Speaker 3: his counter? And it didn't feel like the Patriots had one, right,

1054
00:51:36,618 --> 00:51:38,418
Speaker 3: It felt like they just totally stuck with us. So,

1055
00:51:38,858 --> 00:51:41,098
Speaker 3: you know, especially a team like this, you want to

1056
00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:44,178
Speaker 3: come out, try something new. Find you know, you're three

1057
00:51:44,178 --> 00:51:47,138
Speaker 3: and seven, right right, sure, try something new. This is

1058
00:51:47,138 --> 00:51:47,738
Speaker 3: how we think we.

1059
00:51:47,738 --> 00:51:48,338
Speaker 2: Have to play him.

1060
00:51:48,818 --> 00:51:51,018
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna jump on them too much for that,

1061
00:51:51,698 --> 00:51:55,738
Speaker 3: but when it's clearly not working, you need to change it.

1062
00:51:55,978 --> 00:51:57,938
Speaker 2: And that's what stood out to me.

1063
00:51:57,978 --> 00:52:00,458
Speaker 3: Like Dard Mayo said, I don't remember if it was

1064
00:52:00,498 --> 00:52:02,338
Speaker 3: after the game or Monday morning, one of his postgame

1065
00:52:02,378 --> 00:52:04,418
Speaker 3: press conferences, said like, you know, we have plans, and

1066
00:52:04,458 --> 00:52:08,098
Speaker 3: we're always open to changing plans. I didn't outside of

1067
00:52:08,138 --> 00:52:11,338
Speaker 3: a handful of snaps in the second half. I didn't

1068
00:52:11,458 --> 00:52:13,298
Speaker 3: there was no big picture adjustment. Let me put it

1069
00:52:13,338 --> 00:52:16,458
Speaker 3: that way. There was no big picture. This isn't working.

1070
00:52:16,538 --> 00:52:19,218
Speaker 3: We need to do something about it. Because you can

1071
00:52:19,258 --> 00:52:21,897
Speaker 3: have a guy you know you can have and again

1072
00:52:21,938 --> 00:52:24,817
Speaker 3: the terminology you probably know better than me. You can

1073
00:52:24,938 --> 00:52:26,978
Speaker 3: shadow a guy just in terms of where he's lining

1074
00:52:27,058 --> 00:52:29,418
Speaker 3: up and then play zone from there, like you know,

1075
00:52:29,458 --> 00:52:31,498
Speaker 3: all right, Well, in the Kuza this side Gonzalez is

1076
00:52:31,538 --> 00:52:33,698
Speaker 3: gonna go. There have adjustments, right if emotions is what

1077
00:52:33,698 --> 00:52:36,018
Speaker 3: we're gonna do to try to keep Gonzalez on at

1078
00:52:36,098 --> 00:52:38,178
Speaker 3: least the side of one of the wide receivers. Yeah,

1079
00:52:38,298 --> 00:52:39,978
Speaker 3: once it got to a certain point in that game

1080
00:52:39,978 --> 00:52:43,978
Speaker 3: where Naku and Cup, through motion or not, we're both

1081
00:52:43,978 --> 00:52:46,258
Speaker 3: on the same side of the formation, Gonzalez was on

1082
00:52:46,298 --> 00:52:46,897
Speaker 3: the other side.

1083
00:52:46,898 --> 00:52:50,138
Speaker 2: Defensively, that should not have happened. Yeah, they had a

1084
00:52:50,138 --> 00:52:54,258
Speaker 2: lot of times when Gonzalz ended up basically on DeMarcus Robinson,

1085
00:52:54,298 --> 00:52:56,498
Speaker 2: who like isn't a bad player by the way, I

1086
00:52:56,538 --> 00:52:58,938
Speaker 2: should say, he's not Cooper Cupp or Puka Nikua, but

1087
00:52:58,978 --> 00:53:01,817
Speaker 2: he's not. He's a decent receiver in this league. I mean,

1088
00:53:02,658 --> 00:53:04,658
Speaker 2: I mean it's hit a while off touchdown against them.

1089
00:53:04,738 --> 00:53:07,258
Speaker 3: It's the old BILLI ism. If to go ahead and

1090
00:53:07,258 --> 00:53:10,018
Speaker 3: beat us with DeMarcus Robinson, yeah, go ahead. If the

1091
00:53:10,098 --> 00:53:13,178
Speaker 3: Marcus Robinson goes for six and one hundred, you played

1092
00:53:13,178 --> 00:53:15,138
Speaker 3: a good game, We'll put our hands up and give

1093
00:53:15,178 --> 00:53:17,418
Speaker 3: you credit back. I get paid paid too. You're not

1094
00:53:17,458 --> 00:53:19,817
Speaker 3: beating us with Cooper Cup. You're not beating us with Pukukua.

1095
00:53:19,978 --> 00:53:20,938
Speaker 3: That should have been the approach.

1096
00:53:21,098 --> 00:53:24,658
Speaker 2: I totally hear that, And although I hear the point

1097
00:53:24,698 --> 00:53:27,978
Speaker 2: too that in theory, like the other thing that you

1098
00:53:28,018 --> 00:53:29,698
Speaker 2: hear a lot of wolve is just double one of

1099
00:53:29,738 --> 00:53:31,938
Speaker 2: them out and put Zalez on the other guy, that

1100
00:53:32,298 --> 00:53:34,458
Speaker 2: type of stuff doesn't happen as much as you would think,

1101
00:53:34,578 --> 00:53:38,218
Speaker 2: like true dedicated doubles. The only game plans that I

1102
00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:41,258
Speaker 2: remember over the last couple of years handful of years

1103
00:53:41,578 --> 00:53:45,858
Speaker 2: where Bill actually double the guy consistently was when they

1104
00:53:45,938 --> 00:53:48,938
Speaker 2: played Minnesota on Thanksgiving. They get it to Justin Jefferson

1105
00:53:50,138 --> 00:53:53,498
Speaker 2: half a dozen at least, maybe even more with Jonathan

1106
00:53:53,578 --> 00:53:56,858
Speaker 2: Jones and a safety over the top, and then Tyreek

1107
00:53:56,898 --> 00:53:59,738
Speaker 2: Hill in the AFC Championship game in twenty eighteen or

1108
00:53:59,778 --> 00:54:02,618
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen year or twenty a Seasoney eighteen season. Yep,

1109
00:54:03,058 --> 00:54:05,458
Speaker 2: those were the only two times in the last since

1110
00:54:05,498 --> 00:54:10,337
Speaker 2: I've been covering the team where I remember distinctly that

1111
00:54:10,458 --> 00:54:13,418
Speaker 2: game plan was, we're doubling this guy out of this game.

1112
00:54:13,738 --> 00:54:15,978
Speaker 2: So it doesn't happen as frequently as you think. And

1113
00:54:16,098 --> 00:54:18,817
Speaker 2: just to go back to the McVeigh thing. The other

1114
00:54:18,938 --> 00:54:23,018
Speaker 2: issue with doubling or bracketing coverage when you played teams

1115
00:54:23,018 --> 00:54:26,378
Speaker 2: a motion as much as the Rams do, that causes

1116
00:54:26,418 --> 00:54:29,138
Speaker 2: all sorts of chaos about the double teams, right, Like

1117
00:54:29,178 --> 00:54:31,418
Speaker 2: if they're going to motion the at the snap on

1118
00:54:31,538 --> 00:54:34,298
Speaker 2: like a missile motion, and he's gonna come across the formation,

1119
00:54:34,658 --> 00:54:36,658
Speaker 2: do both guys go with him? Do you try to

1120
00:54:36,698 --> 00:54:38,938
Speaker 2: switch it off? Right? You know? Does that the safety

1121
00:54:38,978 --> 00:54:40,498
Speaker 2: on the left side of the field pass it to

1122
00:54:40,498 --> 00:54:42,458
Speaker 2: the right side of the field? Like how are you

1123
00:54:42,538 --> 00:54:45,857
Speaker 2: handling all those different types of things? Look, it's a

1124
00:54:45,898 --> 00:54:50,178
Speaker 2: really good scheme that they played against. And this is why, right,

1125
00:54:50,218 --> 00:54:52,938
Speaker 2: Like these types of pretzels that they put you in

1126
00:54:52,978 --> 00:54:56,297
Speaker 2: defensively is why McVeigh is McVeigh. Where does this come from?

1127
00:54:56,378 --> 00:54:59,418
Speaker 3: By the way, because Bill used that defensive strategy of

1128
00:54:59,578 --> 00:55:02,458
Speaker 3: ason two double one, Yeah, for years and years and

1129
00:55:02,538 --> 00:55:05,498
Speaker 3: years and coaches figure how to figure out way to count.

1130
00:55:05,378 --> 00:55:07,218
Speaker 2: It and that's kind of what they saw. So last

1131
00:55:07,258 --> 00:55:09,298
Speaker 2: thing on the defense, then I know we want to

1132
00:55:09,338 --> 00:55:11,738
Speaker 2: move along here. Well it's a compliment, Sandwich, So you

1133
00:55:11,778 --> 00:55:13,618
Speaker 2: got to come back around, Tom. So here's sort of

1134
00:55:13,658 --> 00:55:15,897
Speaker 2: my compliment. All right. It's not a compliment, but it's

1135
00:55:15,938 --> 00:55:19,498
Speaker 2: more of like a this is an open face compliment Sandwich. Yes,

1136
00:55:19,578 --> 00:55:22,018
Speaker 2: speaking of sandwiches, we need you to address something a

1137
00:55:22,058 --> 00:55:25,098
Speaker 2: little bit. But okay, that's fair. It's not a compliment, sandwich.

1138
00:55:25,178 --> 00:55:27,618
Speaker 2: Person address it on people. But this is no okay,

1139
00:55:27,658 --> 00:55:32,777
Speaker 2: but this is my this is my patience right now

1140
00:55:32,858 --> 00:55:37,297
Speaker 2: trying to come in. DeMarcus Covington is a first year,

1141
00:55:37,858 --> 00:55:43,538
Speaker 2: first time NFL defensive coordinator in play caller. For my money,

1142
00:55:43,578 --> 00:55:46,018
Speaker 2: he might have just went up against the best offensive

1143
00:55:46,018 --> 00:55:48,777
Speaker 2: play caller in the NFL and he got taken behind

1144
00:55:48,778 --> 00:55:53,018
Speaker 2: the woodshed. It's a learning experience, like it happens right,

1145
00:55:53,298 --> 00:55:56,618
Speaker 2: Like McVeigh is McVeigh for a reason. He's tremendous, Like

1146
00:55:56,658 --> 00:55:59,218
Speaker 2: he does this to a lot of people. This is

1147
00:55:59,258 --> 00:56:03,538
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington's the West Coast coach. Sure, this is DeMarcus

1148
00:56:03,578 --> 00:56:08,337
Speaker 2: Covington's first time doing this, so I'm willing to give

1149
00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:12,738
Speaker 2: him some grace. But with that being said, these are

1150
00:56:12,818 --> 00:56:15,618
Speaker 2: trends that I've been talking about all year long, and

1151
00:56:16,338 --> 00:56:19,538
Speaker 2: I do really start to worry about the chops on

1152
00:56:19,578 --> 00:56:22,498
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the football, and I would like

1153
00:56:22,618 --> 00:56:27,138
Speaker 2: to think that Gerrod Mayo could take more ownership and

1154
00:56:27,258 --> 00:56:31,858
Speaker 2: fix some of these things. Like, for example, at halftime,

1155
00:56:32,618 --> 00:56:35,898
Speaker 2: how do they how don't you call off the dogs? Right?

1156
00:56:35,938 --> 00:56:36,018
Speaker 1: Like?

1157
00:56:36,058 --> 00:56:39,738
Speaker 2: How do you not say to DeMarcus Comington at halftime, Hey, DeMarcus,

1158
00:56:39,858 --> 00:56:43,817
Speaker 2: let's not blitz. Matthew Stafford, he's shredding us. Every time

1159
00:56:43,858 --> 00:56:47,778
Speaker 2: we blitz, it's backfiring the first or second player. The

1160
00:56:47,818 --> 00:56:50,538
Speaker 2: third quarter is a sixty nine yard touchdown on an

1161
00:56:50,578 --> 00:56:55,378
Speaker 2: all out blitz, right Like? How is that not a conversation? Hey, DeMarcus,

1162
00:56:55,618 --> 00:57:00,338
Speaker 2: Puka Nikua has six for one hundred and seventeen at halftime, Like,

1163
00:57:00,378 --> 00:57:04,178
Speaker 2: maybe we should put Christian Gonzalez on Puka Nikua, right, Like,

1164
00:57:04,218 --> 00:57:07,378
Speaker 2: these are the sort of adjustments that I don't see happening.

1165
00:57:07,658 --> 00:57:09,618
Speaker 2: And I put that on the head coach. It's not

1166
00:57:09,738 --> 00:57:12,378
Speaker 2: on the coordinator. It can be on the coordinator. Like

1167
00:57:12,418 --> 00:57:15,258
Speaker 2: if you have a really if Steve Spagnolo was defensive

1168
00:57:15,298 --> 00:57:17,338
Speaker 2: coordinator for the Patriots, I would expect him to do

1169
00:57:17,338 --> 00:57:19,538
Speaker 2: it on his bit. But it's you know, jerd me

1170
00:57:19,738 --> 00:57:22,658
Speaker 2: is a defensive mind head coach, so no, I think it's.

1171
00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:25,818
Speaker 3: Totally fair to put that on him and just projecting ahead.

1172
00:57:26,498 --> 00:57:30,818
Speaker 3: I think this game against Miami super education when it

1173
00:57:30,818 --> 00:57:33,378
Speaker 3: comes to where DeMarcus Comington's at, because this is you

1174
00:57:33,498 --> 00:57:36,058
Speaker 3: just got killed by motion. Yeah, you just got killed

1175
00:57:36,058 --> 00:57:39,818
Speaker 3: by motion and over blitzing. And now you are facing

1176
00:57:39,818 --> 00:57:42,178
Speaker 3: a team that motions, and now that the philosophy behind

1177
00:57:42,218 --> 00:57:43,858
Speaker 3: the motion is different, it's a different sort of motion.

1178
00:57:43,938 --> 00:57:46,298
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're facing a team that motions as much

1179
00:57:46,498 --> 00:57:48,738
Speaker 3: more with where they ranks the Dolphins.

1180
00:57:48,818 --> 00:57:51,178
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Dolphins are one in la Is too,

1181
00:57:51,698 --> 00:57:53,378
Speaker 2: it's by a couplets.

1182
00:57:53,418 --> 00:57:55,898
Speaker 3: So you're facing a team that motions more than anybody else. Yeah,

1183
00:57:55,938 --> 00:57:57,938
Speaker 3: you're facing a quarterback into it. Do you know what

1184
00:57:59,298 --> 00:58:02,458
Speaker 3: his passer rating is against So his passerating outside the

1185
00:58:02,458 --> 00:58:03,538
Speaker 3: pocket this year is perfect?

1186
00:58:03,658 --> 00:58:03,818
Speaker 5: I know.

1187
00:58:03,898 --> 00:58:06,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been really good. Extend his play. His passerating

1188
00:58:06,258 --> 00:58:09,058
Speaker 2: against pressure is one twenty six point two. Uh, and

1189
00:58:09,098 --> 00:58:11,018
Speaker 2: he's just got such a quick rule. He's been just

1190
00:58:11,218 --> 00:58:14,498
Speaker 2: unreal against pressure. So a guy that you you don't

1191
00:58:14,498 --> 00:58:16,698
Speaker 2: want to blitz because blitzing him isn't really gonna matter.

1192
00:58:17,098 --> 00:58:20,618
Speaker 3: Right, So here you have the two things you got

1193
00:58:20,658 --> 00:58:23,698
Speaker 3: wrong the most last week, handling motion and over blitzing.

1194
00:58:23,938 --> 00:58:26,538
Speaker 3: Ye and those two things are going to be at

1195
00:58:26,538 --> 00:58:30,418
Speaker 3: the forefront of game planning for Miami. Yep, great opportun

1196
00:58:30,458 --> 00:58:36,058
Speaker 3: tunity for DeMarcus Covington to show, all right, last week,

1197
00:58:36,498 --> 00:58:38,818
Speaker 3: I was a rookie, I got my You know, he's

1198
00:58:38,818 --> 00:58:40,258
Speaker 3: not new to the NFL, but you know what I'm saying,

1199
00:58:40,298 --> 00:58:44,538
Speaker 3: welcome to the NFL coordinator. Moment I learned I fixed it.

1200
00:58:44,978 --> 00:58:46,938
Speaker 3: Great opportunity for him to show that. Or do we

1201
00:58:46,938 --> 00:58:49,378
Speaker 3: come on here next week and say, wow, he learned

1202
00:58:49,378 --> 00:58:50,378
Speaker 3: nothing against the Rams.

1203
00:58:50,378 --> 00:58:52,298
Speaker 2: It may not be it. Yeah, it's a great point,

1204
00:58:52,338 --> 00:58:54,938
Speaker 2: and that's what I'm willing to allow for some grace.

1205
00:58:54,978 --> 00:58:57,218
Speaker 3: But well, I think I guess to that, like sometime

1206
00:58:57,258 --> 00:58:59,698
Speaker 3: we've been doing this with Drake may about the turnovers, right,

1207
00:58:59,858 --> 00:59:03,018
Speaker 3: or just in general the team growing the receivers. It's

1208
00:59:03,458 --> 00:59:05,738
Speaker 3: you're not gonna get immediate answers to some of this stuff.

1209
00:59:05,738 --> 00:59:07,818
Speaker 3: It's gonna take a little longer. This is a unique

1210
00:59:07,858 --> 00:59:09,658
Speaker 3: one where I'm not saying that this game is make

1211
00:59:09,778 --> 00:59:12,978
Speaker 3: or break for DeMarcus Covington, but you're gonna get a

1212
00:59:12,978 --> 00:59:16,018
Speaker 3: pretty i mediate answer on how well he adjusts after

1213
00:59:16,058 --> 00:59:17,138
Speaker 3: getting his lunch handed to him.

1214
00:59:17,218 --> 00:59:20,018
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point. And today, earlier today, oz

1215
00:59:20,058 --> 00:59:23,418
Speaker 2: Vann Pelt was asked about the Patriots rookie receivers Jalen

1216
00:59:23,458 --> 00:59:25,258
Speaker 2: Polk and jay Von Baker and said, we're not really

1217
00:59:25,338 --> 00:59:27,858
Speaker 2: rookies anymore. I would say the same thing about the coaches,

1218
00:59:27,978 --> 00:59:30,938
Speaker 2: Like you've coached eleven games now at some point in

1219
00:59:31,018 --> 00:59:33,058
Speaker 2: time where you have to start to see some of

1220
00:59:33,098 --> 00:59:36,938
Speaker 2: these rookie mistakes on the coaching staff as well, Like

1221
00:59:36,978 --> 00:59:39,418
Speaker 2: those things have to get out of their system too,

1222
00:59:39,738 --> 00:59:41,458
Speaker 2: and you got to get these guys ready to play.

1223
00:59:41,498 --> 00:59:43,578
Speaker 2: Like we said it in Chicago, we gave them their

1224
00:59:43,578 --> 00:59:46,178
Speaker 2: flowers after the Bears game because they were ready to play.

1225
00:59:46,218 --> 00:59:48,498
Speaker 2: They had a good plan, they were ready to play

1226
00:59:48,538 --> 00:59:50,858
Speaker 2: on both sides of the football. They won a football game.

1227
00:59:51,298 --> 00:59:54,698
Speaker 2: It went backwards this week on the defensive side at least,

1228
00:59:54,858 --> 00:59:57,258
Speaker 2: where we I feel like we came out of this

1229
00:59:57,378 --> 01:00:00,338
Speaker 2: game and said the coaches lost them a game. You

1230
01:00:00,418 --> 01:00:03,058
Speaker 2: win games with the players, you lose games with the coaches, right,

1231
01:00:03,098 --> 01:00:05,018
Speaker 2: and this week against the Rams, it felt like the

1232
01:00:05,058 --> 01:00:07,778
Speaker 2: coaches lost them the game on the defensive side of

1233
01:00:07,818 --> 01:00:10,818
Speaker 2: the ball. One other thing I'll give DeMarcus Covington, and

1234
01:00:10,858 --> 01:00:14,338
Speaker 2: then we got to wrap this. One of the bigger

1235
01:00:14,378 --> 01:00:18,218
Speaker 2: guys that was responsible for all of the breakdowns in

1236
01:00:18,258 --> 01:00:21,018
Speaker 2: the first half especially is no longer on the team,

1237
01:00:21,058 --> 01:00:24,298
Speaker 2: and that's Marco Wilson. Marco Wilson and I wanted to

1238
01:00:24,338 --> 01:00:27,258
Speaker 2: segue into three up, three down. Anyways, I had Marco

1239
01:00:27,298 --> 01:00:31,098
Speaker 2: Wilson as my number one down. But then they the

1240
01:00:31,138 --> 01:00:34,418
Speaker 2: team it was it was bad, like I was as bad.

1241
01:00:34,498 --> 01:00:35,858
Speaker 2: Like he looked like he was out of the line

1242
01:00:35,898 --> 01:00:36,218
Speaker 2: I was.

1243
01:00:37,498 --> 01:00:39,378
Speaker 3: And you kind of saw it coming in like they

1244
01:00:39,378 --> 01:00:41,898
Speaker 3: were gonna need a bigger corner, right, So all right, Gonzales.

1245
01:00:41,898 --> 01:00:44,378
Speaker 3: We didn't think Gonzal's gonna be covering Robinson, but yeah,

1246
01:00:44,458 --> 01:00:45,858
Speaker 3: Gonzals take one of those guys.

1247
01:00:46,098 --> 01:00:49,338
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones has looked like he's maybe lost a step.

1248
01:00:49,818 --> 01:00:52,538
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones I actually thought had like a sneaky, decent

1249
01:00:52,658 --> 01:00:55,978
Speaker 3: game for what it was, but five eight against these

1250
01:00:56,058 --> 01:00:59,338
Speaker 3: receivers in tough, tough ask. Yeah, and then Yeah, Marc

1251
01:00:59,418 --> 01:01:01,898
Speaker 3: Wilson had been great. I was surprised didn't activate Alex

1252
01:01:01,938 --> 01:01:04,218
Speaker 3: Austin before the game. Yeah, and I wonder if they

1253
01:01:04,258 --> 01:01:06,698
Speaker 3: regretted not doing so after all right.

1254
01:01:07,058 --> 01:01:10,538
Speaker 2: Three up, three down? Yep? Good segue is who's your

1255
01:01:10,578 --> 01:01:12,738
Speaker 2: number one up in this game? All right? Victory lap

1256
01:01:12,778 --> 01:01:16,578
Speaker 2: time Kendrick Bourne. Yeah, there you go. I can't believe

1257
01:01:17,418 --> 01:01:19,578
Speaker 2: we've done this. Stop.

1258
01:01:19,818 --> 01:01:22,778
Speaker 3: I can't believe we've done this three years in a row.

1259
01:01:23,338 --> 01:01:27,218
Speaker 3: Where Kendrick Bourne, yeah, shows he's a good football player.

1260
01:01:27,378 --> 01:01:27,658
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1261
01:01:27,698 --> 01:01:31,778
Speaker 3: The Patriots coaching staff, for whatever usually petty reason, disagrees

1262
01:01:32,058 --> 01:01:34,858
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne gets benched. They roll through the rest of

1263
01:01:34,898 --> 01:01:37,418
Speaker 3: their receivers, none of whom show anything close to what

1264
01:01:37,498 --> 01:01:39,898
Speaker 3: Kendrick Born can do. Eventually they're forced to go back

1265
01:01:39,898 --> 01:01:42,178
Speaker 3: to Kendrick Bourne. And wouldn't you know it, He's an

1266
01:01:42,218 --> 01:01:45,378
Speaker 3: electric playmaker and the offense as a whole looks better

1267
01:01:45,498 --> 01:01:49,498
Speaker 3: with Kendrick Bourne on the field. I understand the if

1268
01:01:49,538 --> 01:01:52,058
Speaker 3: you have the best bad story about every roommate you've

1269
01:01:52,058 --> 01:01:53,898
Speaker 3: ever had, you're probably the bad roommate.

1270
01:01:53,938 --> 01:01:54,418
Speaker 2: I get that.

1271
01:01:54,698 --> 01:01:57,778
Speaker 3: I think Kendrick Bourne is the exception. People point out, like,

1272
01:01:58,098 --> 01:02:00,458
Speaker 3: all right, you know three coaching staffs. He got benched

1273
01:02:00,458 --> 01:02:02,938
Speaker 3: all three times. I think Kendrick Borrn's the exception in

1274
01:02:02,978 --> 01:02:05,658
Speaker 3: that rule. I actually think the promise coaching staffs because

1275
01:02:05,978 --> 01:02:07,098
Speaker 3: is Kendrick Born perfect.

1276
01:02:07,098 --> 01:02:07,738
Speaker 2: No, he's not.

1277
01:02:08,098 --> 01:02:10,218
Speaker 3: He runs some bad routes, he takes some bad penalties.

1278
01:02:10,458 --> 01:02:14,338
Speaker 3: But one, how exactly has these have these last three

1279
01:02:14,378 --> 01:02:16,738
Speaker 3: coaching staffs, and I acknowledge their different staffs, how have they

1280
01:02:16,818 --> 01:02:19,178
Speaker 3: done with evaluating wide receiver talent as a whole y?

1281
01:02:19,298 --> 01:02:19,738
Speaker 2: That's fair?

1282
01:02:19,778 --> 01:02:23,738
Speaker 3: And two, they can't exactly be picky when it comes

1283
01:02:23,778 --> 01:02:25,618
Speaker 3: to who they're putting on the field at receiver. For

1284
01:02:25,938 --> 01:02:28,298
Speaker 3: the bumps in the road that exists with Kendrick Bourne,

1285
01:02:29,338 --> 01:02:32,018
Speaker 3: every time he's out, he looks like they're best receiver.

1286
01:02:32,498 --> 01:02:34,658
Speaker 3: He's on a thousand yard pace in twenty one before

1287
01:02:34,698 --> 01:02:37,698
Speaker 3: he got COVID. We saw remember in twenty twenty two,

1288
01:02:37,698 --> 01:02:39,618
Speaker 3: we got benched in the opener. We played two plays,

1289
01:02:39,618 --> 01:02:41,738
Speaker 3: they were both like twenty plus yard completions, and then

1290
01:02:41,738 --> 01:02:43,818
Speaker 3: we didn't see him again for a month. Last year,

1291
01:02:43,938 --> 01:02:46,058
Speaker 3: same thing. Now here we go again this year. He's

1292
01:02:46,098 --> 01:02:49,218
Speaker 3: their leading receiver in his return and you know what,

1293
01:02:49,258 --> 01:02:51,618
Speaker 3: at this point, he's closer to thirty he's coming off

1294
01:02:51,618 --> 01:02:55,098
Speaker 3: of torn acl so maybe they just totally burned the

1295
01:02:55,178 --> 01:02:58,578
Speaker 3: upside that he had and that would suck. But Kendrick Bourne,

1296
01:02:58,618 --> 01:03:00,258
Speaker 3: I still want them gonna go ge Dk Metcalf. But

1297
01:03:00,338 --> 01:03:03,418
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne is a damn good player. He's a good receiver.

1298
01:03:03,618 --> 01:03:06,178
Speaker 3: He should be on the field. He proved it on

1299
01:03:06,338 --> 01:03:08,698
Speaker 3: Sunday and I truly believe he'll continue to prove it

1300
01:03:08,738 --> 01:03:09,338
Speaker 3: the rest of the year.

1301
01:03:09,418 --> 01:03:12,218
Speaker 2: I got Doso's a good ram. Yeah. I just can't

1302
01:03:12,218 --> 01:03:15,258
Speaker 2: believe this is the third time. So Kendrick Borne is

1303
01:03:15,258 --> 01:03:19,058
Speaker 2: my number two UK. So I'll just jump the shark

1304
01:03:19,098 --> 01:03:21,698
Speaker 2: hair on that it saw it jumps sharkans. God damn,

1305
01:03:21,778 --> 01:03:23,538
Speaker 2: don't jump the shark jump don't do you know what

1306
01:03:23,578 --> 01:03:25,298
Speaker 2: Jump Felger did this last week? Do you know what

1307
01:03:25,378 --> 01:03:26,018
Speaker 2: jumped the shark one?

1308
01:03:26,578 --> 01:03:28,418
Speaker 3: Okay, no, because you used it there in like a

1309
01:03:28,498 --> 01:03:29,778
Speaker 3: really bad way to use it.

1310
01:03:29,858 --> 01:03:34,138
Speaker 2: Oh no, you didn't offend anybody. It's it's more just

1311
01:03:34,178 --> 01:03:37,738
Speaker 2: like a jinx Oh no, sorry KB. So no, no,

1312
01:03:37,818 --> 01:03:39,418
Speaker 2: you didn't chinx KB you jinxed us?

1313
01:03:39,538 --> 01:03:43,938
Speaker 3: Oh no, so jump the shark is Happy Days is

1314
01:03:43,938 --> 01:03:45,938
Speaker 3: a very popular TV show in the seventies, right, But

1315
01:03:46,298 --> 01:03:48,298
Speaker 3: you know as most TV shows do, even if you

1316
01:03:48,298 --> 01:03:50,098
Speaker 3: have a good run, you kind of run out of ideas.

1317
01:03:50,258 --> 01:03:52,978
Speaker 3: So at one point later in the run, they had

1318
01:03:53,058 --> 01:03:56,218
Speaker 3: an episode a plot point where the main character jumps

1319
01:03:56,218 --> 01:03:59,138
Speaker 3: the shark on skis, and it was so.

1320
01:03:59,298 --> 01:03:59,978
Speaker 2: Was it the fawns?

1321
01:04:00,058 --> 01:04:03,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, So it's so like, not in the

1322
01:04:03,298 --> 01:04:04,218
Speaker 3: character of the show.

1323
01:04:04,458 --> 01:04:05,538
Speaker 2: It's just out of nowhere.

1324
01:04:05,778 --> 01:04:08,138
Speaker 3: So that's when everybody was like, happy Days was over

1325
01:04:08,538 --> 01:04:11,258
Speaker 3: when he jumped the shark. So when you say something

1326
01:04:11,338 --> 01:04:14,138
Speaker 3: jumps the shark, it's mainly about TV shows, it means

1327
01:04:14,338 --> 01:04:15,338
Speaker 3: it's not good anymore.

1328
01:04:15,578 --> 01:04:20,058
Speaker 2: It's forcing it, it's over. No, right, we do not

1329
01:04:20,298 --> 01:04:22,218
Speaker 2: do not You should not jump the shark. We do

1330
01:04:22,298 --> 01:04:24,938
Speaker 2: not want to jump the shark. That is a horrible

1331
01:04:24,978 --> 01:04:27,898
Speaker 2: thing to say about a show, or a person or anybody.

1332
01:04:28,018 --> 01:04:30,458
Speaker 2: We do not want to be You meant they jumped

1333
01:04:30,578 --> 01:04:32,938
Speaker 2: the gun. Jump the gun, thank you. We should not

1334
01:04:33,018 --> 01:04:35,818
Speaker 2: be jumping the shark. If Catch twenty two jumps the shark,

1335
01:04:36,338 --> 01:04:38,298
Speaker 2: you listeners need to let us know because I do

1336
01:04:38,378 --> 01:04:40,818
Speaker 2: not want that to happen. And look, we've been at this,

1337
01:04:40,898 --> 01:04:43,858
Speaker 2: going back to the CLNS days for close to ten

1338
01:04:43,938 --> 01:04:46,738
Speaker 2: years now, so it's something we need to be aware

1339
01:04:46,738 --> 01:04:50,458
Speaker 2: of let's not jump the shark please. For ten years now,

1340
01:04:50,498 --> 01:04:52,898
Speaker 2: you've probably been correcting me on my use of idioms

1341
01:04:52,938 --> 01:04:55,018
Speaker 2: because I'm terrible at it. Okay, I don't know that one.

1342
01:04:55,098 --> 01:04:57,058
Speaker 2: That one is like you understand why I had to

1343
01:04:57,058 --> 01:04:59,938
Speaker 2: stop at that. I mean, jump the gun. Please, please

1344
01:05:00,658 --> 01:05:04,378
Speaker 2: do not jump. Okay. It's so weird because that we

1345
01:05:04,378 --> 01:05:07,738
Speaker 2: did a whole They were with Felder last week on

1346
01:05:07,818 --> 01:05:10,898
Speaker 2: idioms because of jump the shark. Anyways, you know where

1347
01:05:11,778 --> 01:05:13,658
Speaker 2: you know where? Give somebody the cold shoulder comes from?

1348
01:05:13,858 --> 01:05:18,458
Speaker 2: No back in like old timey England. Yeah, they would.

1349
01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:19,698
Speaker 3: If you had a guess at your house he wanted

1350
01:05:19,698 --> 01:05:21,258
Speaker 3: them to leave. A polite way to ask them to

1351
01:05:21,338 --> 01:05:23,698
Speaker 3: leave was to give them a cold cut of shoulder meat.

1352
01:05:24,978 --> 01:05:26,458
Speaker 2: It was how you told him to leave. So give

1353
01:05:26,498 --> 01:05:27,418
Speaker 2: somebody the cold shoulder.

1354
01:05:27,498 --> 01:05:30,858
Speaker 3: That's disgusting, it's it's fascinating, it's fascinating stuff.

1355
01:05:31,018 --> 01:05:34,698
Speaker 2: So anyways, Kennrick Borden was my number two up, so

1356
01:05:34,738 --> 01:05:37,018
Speaker 2: I'll just talk about him now since you brought him

1357
01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:40,178
Speaker 2: up first. I talked to KB today in the locker

1358
01:05:40,258 --> 01:05:44,418
Speaker 2: room actually, and he just said that you know, first

1359
01:05:44,458 --> 01:05:47,818
Speaker 2: of all, he got benched, and when you get bench.

1360
01:05:47,898 --> 01:05:51,658
Speaker 2: That definitely snaps you into focus, right like that, that'll

1361
01:05:51,698 --> 01:05:55,138
Speaker 2: do it. So he responded really well to that. I

1362
01:05:55,218 --> 01:05:58,338
Speaker 2: just thought he was so much more precise and detailed

1363
01:05:58,338 --> 01:06:01,738
Speaker 2: this week with his routes, with his timing, like where

1364
01:06:01,778 --> 01:06:04,978
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be on the field, his conversions,

1365
01:06:05,018 --> 01:06:07,218
Speaker 2: like all of that stuff was just so much better

1366
01:06:07,698 --> 01:06:10,218
Speaker 2: than it was. You know, the even on the back

1367
01:06:10,258 --> 01:06:12,778
Speaker 2: shoulder throw in the two minute. I know it didn't

1368
01:06:12,858 --> 01:06:15,138
Speaker 2: end the way they wanted it to, but like that's

1369
01:06:15,138 --> 01:06:17,618
Speaker 2: a play with the chemistry and the timing with Drake

1370
01:06:17,658 --> 01:06:18,978
Speaker 2: that I just don't know would have been there a

1371
01:06:19,058 --> 01:06:21,418
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. It wasn't. In Tennessee, they threw

1372
01:06:21,418 --> 01:06:24,738
Speaker 2: a really similar play and was almost intercepted. The couple

1373
01:06:24,778 --> 01:06:27,218
Speaker 2: of those spot routes that he ran. Out of those

1374
01:06:27,258 --> 01:06:30,618
Speaker 2: concepts in the bunch, like just catch the ball on

1375
01:06:30,818 --> 01:06:34,058
Speaker 2: him up the field. Yards after catch, like I believe

1376
01:06:34,058 --> 01:06:36,058
Speaker 2: he had twenty six yards after the catch in this

1377
01:06:36,098 --> 01:06:39,138
Speaker 2: game felt like more. But that's what PFF had to

1378
01:06:39,178 --> 01:06:43,498
Speaker 2: say about it. So just much more detailed, much more

1379
01:06:43,578 --> 01:06:46,818
Speaker 2: crisp with his routes. I thought he was awesome in

1380
01:06:46,858 --> 01:06:49,338
Speaker 2: this game. And if they get that version of Kendrick Bourne.

1381
01:06:49,338 --> 01:06:51,858
Speaker 2: Moving forward, They're in good shape. Who's number two?

1382
01:06:52,658 --> 01:06:56,578
Speaker 3: Number two for me was sticking with the pass catchers.

1383
01:06:56,618 --> 01:06:57,098
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry.

1384
01:06:57,138 --> 01:06:59,418
Speaker 3: Kind of talked about him already just in that safety

1385
01:06:59,418 --> 01:07:01,378
Speaker 3: blanket roll. All of minor pass catchers, by the way,

1386
01:07:01,418 --> 01:07:04,058
Speaker 3: all my ups pretty much everything I said before.

1387
01:07:03,898 --> 01:07:06,458
Speaker 2: About Hunter Henry. He was good in this game. Yeah.

1388
01:07:06,498 --> 01:07:09,218
Speaker 2: I almost had him too. I had him in Pop

1389
01:07:09,258 --> 01:07:13,258
Speaker 2: Douglass honorable mentions on this list. I just thought Hunter

1390
01:07:13,338 --> 01:07:17,458
Speaker 2: Henry he missed one key block and the third and

1391
01:07:17,578 --> 01:07:21,018
Speaker 2: one play that they almost went for it on fourth down,

1392
01:07:21,018 --> 01:07:23,778
Speaker 2: and then Polk jumps off side to play before that

1393
01:07:24,578 --> 01:07:27,058
Speaker 2: he missed the block, and then Douglas obviously was in

1394
01:07:27,098 --> 01:07:29,058
Speaker 2: on the interception that end of the game. So I

1395
01:07:29,778 --> 01:07:32,298
Speaker 2: couldn't completely put them on the ups, but I thought

1396
01:07:32,378 --> 01:07:34,938
Speaker 2: both of them were on the whole. We're really good

1397
01:07:34,938 --> 01:07:37,538
Speaker 2: in this game. My number one up though, to go

1398
01:07:37,618 --> 01:07:39,938
Speaker 2: back to that was I'm gonna do I'm gonna pull

1399
01:07:39,978 --> 01:07:43,018
Speaker 2: you ready for this, Yeah, I'm gonna pull you right now.

1400
01:07:44,458 --> 01:07:47,538
Speaker 2: Drake May for the first fifty eight minutes of the game. Okay,

1401
01:07:47,818 --> 01:07:50,258
Speaker 2: so fair enough, So Drake May for the first fifty

1402
01:07:50,298 --> 01:07:53,378
Speaker 2: eight minutes of the game, was what was the best

1403
01:07:53,378 --> 01:07:56,458
Speaker 2: game that I have charted for Patriots quarterback since Mac Jones'

1404
01:07:56,578 --> 01:07:58,898
Speaker 2: rookie season against Cleveland, which was just a hell of

1405
01:07:58,898 --> 01:08:03,098
Speaker 2: a game that Mac played that that day. Drake May

1406
01:08:03,178 --> 01:08:06,818
Speaker 2: had fifteen plus plays to three minus plays. That's a

1407
01:08:06,858 --> 01:08:09,018
Speaker 2: plus twelve net if you don't if you're not good

1408
01:08:09,058 --> 01:08:11,978
Speaker 2: at math. For me, through the first fifty eight minutes,

1409
01:08:12,778 --> 01:08:16,697
Speaker 2: just excellent, like on time in rhythm, instructure, playmaking from

1410
01:08:16,778 --> 01:08:22,577
Speaker 2: the pocket, I manipulation, hot concepts, seeing blitzes, getting the

1411
01:08:22,577 --> 01:08:25,817
Speaker 2: football out on time accurately to the first two levels

1412
01:08:25,818 --> 01:08:27,697
Speaker 2: of the field like that, I think is the one

1413
01:08:27,738 --> 01:08:32,138
Speaker 2: thing that has really really improved in his game. From

1414
01:08:32,138 --> 01:08:35,418
Speaker 2: the Houston game to now Houston game. He had some sprays,

1415
01:08:35,577 --> 01:08:38,697
Speaker 2: remember like you know, just throwing behind guys or throwing

1416
01:08:38,818 --> 01:08:41,697
Speaker 2: high over the middle of the Pop Douglas. In this game,

1417
01:08:41,778 --> 01:08:44,858
Speaker 2: he was His accuracy at the first two levels of

1418
01:08:44,898 --> 01:08:48,497
Speaker 2: the defense was excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent, really come a

1419
01:08:48,537 --> 01:08:52,737
Speaker 2: long way in that regard as a passer, and that

1420
01:08:52,978 --> 01:08:55,657
Speaker 2: to me tells me that he's really on his way.

1421
01:08:55,697 --> 01:08:58,178
Speaker 2: Once they get guys on the outside that can win

1422
01:08:58,298 --> 01:09:00,817
Speaker 2: down the field for him, the deep ball will come like,

1423
01:09:00,857 --> 01:09:03,017
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's Drake May forgetting how to

1424
01:09:03,058 --> 01:09:04,897
Speaker 2: throw the deep ball. We know we can throw it deep.

1425
01:09:05,178 --> 01:09:07,378
Speaker 2: What we didn't know is if he could operate on

1426
01:09:07,577 --> 01:09:11,378
Speaker 2: schedule in the short and intermediate passing game consistently enough

1427
01:09:11,418 --> 01:09:13,977
Speaker 2: to move an offense. He did that at an extremely

1428
01:09:14,018 --> 01:09:16,777
Speaker 2: high level. On Sunday. You still see some of the

1429
01:09:17,018 --> 01:09:20,537
Speaker 2: off script stuff, you know, sixteen yards scramble, the one

1430
01:09:20,577 --> 01:09:22,977
Speaker 2: to Henry that gets negated. Even though that got wiped

1431
01:09:23,018 --> 01:09:25,137
Speaker 2: out by penalty, I still count that as a plus

1432
01:09:25,138 --> 01:09:27,977
Speaker 2: play for Drake May. It still happened. It just didn't happen,

1433
01:09:28,058 --> 01:09:31,178
Speaker 2: and it didn't count some of the he made in

1434
01:09:31,218 --> 01:09:34,097
Speaker 2: this game to just throw the ball away or check

1435
01:09:34,138 --> 01:09:36,897
Speaker 2: it down. I thought he was really patient throughout the

1436
01:09:37,058 --> 01:09:39,178
Speaker 2: entire game as well, and didn't put the ball in

1437
01:09:39,218 --> 01:09:43,378
Speaker 2: harm's way often other than the strip sack, which I

1438
01:09:43,537 --> 01:09:45,737
Speaker 2: kind of put on him. But at the same time,

1439
01:09:45,777 --> 01:09:48,097
Speaker 2: I thought that was really his only turnover worthy play

1440
01:09:48,138 --> 01:09:50,777
Speaker 2: in this game. Just in general, I thought for the

1441
01:09:50,777 --> 01:09:53,218
Speaker 2: first fifty eight minutes he was electric. I thought he

1442
01:09:53,298 --> 01:09:56,817
Speaker 2: was excellent for that start. So Drake May for the

1443
01:09:56,817 --> 01:09:59,017
Speaker 2: first fifty eight minutes, and I think you can see

1444
01:09:59,018 --> 01:10:01,177
Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, but it was your last.

1445
01:10:01,138 --> 01:10:03,937
Speaker 3: I think he was pretty good similar Pop Douglas minus

1446
01:10:03,978 --> 01:10:06,857
Speaker 3: the last play. Yeah, I thought Pop Douglass was did

1447
01:10:06,857 --> 01:10:09,137
Speaker 3: a really good job in this game, creating after the catch,

1448
01:10:09,617 --> 01:10:12,817
Speaker 3: finding holes and coverage things like that. I just thought

1449
01:10:12,817 --> 01:10:16,458
Speaker 3: you got a really complete effort from the Patriots pass

1450
01:10:16,458 --> 01:10:17,258
Speaker 3: catchers in this game.

1451
01:10:17,378 --> 01:10:21,017
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I know I did a lot of waxing

1452
01:10:21,058 --> 01:10:23,537
Speaker 2: poetic about AVP, but he was my last up on

1453
01:10:23,657 --> 01:10:26,017
Speaker 2: the list. I think the biggest thing that I didn't

1454
01:10:26,058 --> 01:10:28,017
Speaker 2: mention I mentioned the rest of this but the biggest

1455
01:10:28,018 --> 01:10:29,897
Speaker 2: thing that I didn't mention off the top or I

1456
01:10:29,978 --> 01:10:32,777
Speaker 2: kind of did, But uh, the game plan in this

1457
01:10:32,817 --> 01:10:37,537
Speaker 2: game to use the short and intermediate passing game against

1458
01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:39,977
Speaker 2: that Rams pass rush. That's what we've been talking about

1459
01:10:39,978 --> 01:10:43,298
Speaker 2: when we say you can scheme around weaknesses. That is

1460
01:10:43,617 --> 01:10:48,177
Speaker 2: scheming around a mismatch, so and protecting your offense against

1461
01:10:48,218 --> 01:10:48,817
Speaker 2: a mismatch.

1462
01:10:48,937 --> 01:10:51,178
Speaker 3: Drake may had his lowest a DOT in this game,

1463
01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:52,857
Speaker 3: but then he of us starts so far.

1464
01:10:52,817 --> 01:10:56,897
Speaker 2: So is five point six yards per attempt in the air?

1465
01:10:57,058 --> 01:10:59,777
Speaker 2: Air yards per pass attempt a dot? Right, But it's

1466
01:10:59,777 --> 01:11:01,857
Speaker 2: like seven to six, No, five point six, I thought

1467
01:11:01,897 --> 01:11:05,097
Speaker 2: PFF had like seven. No, where'd you find it? No?

1468
01:11:05,258 --> 01:11:11,258
Speaker 2: Five point six? Next gen? Okay, anyways, I finally get

1469
01:11:11,258 --> 01:11:13,537
Speaker 2: into using PFF and now you're like, no, you're wrong. No,

1470
01:11:13,617 --> 01:11:16,418
Speaker 2: I just that number is definitely not right. Uh five

1471
01:11:16,458 --> 01:11:17,017
Speaker 2: point six?

1472
01:11:17,138 --> 01:11:19,258
Speaker 3: So then wait, so if if it's that much lower

1473
01:11:19,298 --> 01:11:21,258
Speaker 3: PFF had bo Nix's a dot is four?

1474
01:11:21,338 --> 01:11:24,338
Speaker 2: What was bo Nix's Actually Okay, maybe you just were

1475
01:11:24,378 --> 01:11:27,057
Speaker 2: looking in their own place? Is that? Is that possible?

1476
01:11:28,657 --> 01:11:30,657
Speaker 2: I love how this is what we get bogged down by.

1477
01:11:30,978 --> 01:11:33,017
Speaker 3: No, because like I've been talking about this all week,

1478
01:11:33,058 --> 01:11:34,418
Speaker 3: and now I want to make sure I got a ring.

1479
01:11:34,577 --> 01:11:36,137
Speaker 2: I think he might have been looking at the wrong

1480
01:11:36,657 --> 01:11:38,338
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep going while you while.

1481
01:11:38,218 --> 01:11:41,137
Speaker 3: You Oh, no, I I'm remembering wrong. They have five

1482
01:11:41,138 --> 01:11:42,537
Speaker 3: point seven? It was five point seven.

1483
01:11:42,697 --> 01:11:44,777
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the seven in my mind. Yeah. So

1484
01:11:44,857 --> 01:11:47,657
Speaker 2: we we've talked about this a bunch though. It's knowing

1485
01:11:47,697 --> 01:11:50,617
Speaker 2: where your weaknesses are and covering up and scheming around

1486
01:11:50,617 --> 01:11:54,458
Speaker 2: your weaknesses. Coming into this game with a lot of

1487
01:11:54,857 --> 01:11:58,777
Speaker 2: short and intermediate passing concepts and just understanding that Drake

1488
01:11:58,857 --> 01:12:01,737
Speaker 2: may just couldn't hold the ball in this game. I

1489
01:12:01,777 --> 01:12:04,258
Speaker 2: thought was really really smart. By the uh, the OC

1490
01:12:04,458 --> 01:12:07,217
Speaker 2: and and really good game planning and play calling around

1491
01:12:07,218 --> 01:12:10,138
Speaker 2: your deficiencies. So I had Van Pelt as my third up,

1492
01:12:10,138 --> 01:12:12,737
Speaker 2: and then I had honorable mentions for Hunter Henry and

1493
01:12:12,777 --> 01:12:15,857
Speaker 2: for Pop Douglas as well. So let's move over to

1494
01:12:15,857 --> 01:12:17,977
Speaker 2: the other side of the Ohix's adult last week was

1495
01:12:17,978 --> 01:12:20,458
Speaker 2: for oh and last honorable mention, I thought the only

1496
01:12:20,497 --> 01:12:24,137
Speaker 2: good player on defense in this entire game, knock Onzo's fault.

1497
01:12:24,378 --> 01:12:28,378
Speaker 2: His usage was why he wasn't necessarily Kean White was

1498
01:12:28,378 --> 01:12:30,177
Speaker 2: the only good player in this game for the Patriots

1499
01:12:30,178 --> 01:12:32,737
Speaker 2: defense in the front seven. He was disruptive, he had

1500
01:12:32,777 --> 01:12:34,657
Speaker 2: a good game. Let's go to the downs.

1501
01:12:35,178 --> 01:12:37,857
Speaker 3: I mean, we already did an hour on this, DeMarcus

1502
01:12:37,857 --> 01:12:39,458
Speaker 3: coming to number one, Yeah, we sure.

1503
01:12:39,497 --> 01:12:40,737
Speaker 2: I don't know how much more were we have to

1504
01:12:40,777 --> 01:12:43,937
Speaker 2: say about that at the point, as pretty self explanatory. Yep.

1505
01:12:44,258 --> 01:12:47,777
Speaker 2: My number one down was Marco Wilson. He's no longer

1506
01:12:47,817 --> 01:12:49,258
Speaker 2: on the team. I took I had four, but I

1507
01:12:49,258 --> 01:12:50,897
Speaker 2: took him off. Yeah, I had four too. I mean,

1508
01:12:50,897 --> 01:12:53,338
Speaker 2: when you get cut it kind of yeah, but I

1509
01:12:53,418 --> 01:12:56,418
Speaker 2: replaced him with Jonathan Jones. It wasn't that Jonathan Jones

1510
01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:59,418
Speaker 2: was awful in terms of where he was on every

1511
01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:02,257
Speaker 2: single play. They were tough, good plays by the offense,

1512
01:13:02,537 --> 01:13:05,537
Speaker 2: But you give up three touchdowns, you give up three toudies, right, like, yeah,

1513
01:13:05,617 --> 01:13:07,697
Speaker 2: that's gonna go on the downs Like it just wasn't

1514
01:13:07,777 --> 01:13:10,697
Speaker 2: very good. It wasn't good enough, Like he just wasn't

1515
01:13:10,737 --> 01:13:13,697
Speaker 2: quite good enough in certain spots. And then I obviously

1516
01:13:13,777 --> 01:13:17,657
Speaker 2: explained earlier I didn't think he played the cup touchdown.

1517
01:13:17,657 --> 01:13:19,977
Speaker 2: I didn't think he played a great technique on that

1518
01:13:20,018 --> 01:13:23,097
Speaker 2: play either in that cover zero. So I had Jonathan

1519
01:13:23,138 --> 01:13:23,897
Speaker 2: Jones number one.

1520
01:13:24,737 --> 01:13:27,178
Speaker 3: I so coming to his number one, number two, I

1521
01:13:27,537 --> 01:13:29,458
Speaker 3: don't put him in order, I guess. But Kyle Dugger,

1522
01:13:29,937 --> 01:13:32,057
Speaker 3: I just thought rough game for him, first game back

1523
01:13:32,098 --> 01:13:35,177
Speaker 3: for that ankle injury. He missed a couple tackles early,

1524
01:13:35,897 --> 01:13:37,777
Speaker 3: little slow to the spot at times. I just wonder

1525
01:13:37,817 --> 01:13:40,657
Speaker 3: how much that ankle injury still bothering him. He didn't

1526
01:13:40,657 --> 01:13:41,697
Speaker 3: look like he was one hundred.

1527
01:13:41,497 --> 01:13:47,378
Speaker 2: Per Yeah, yeah, that's fair. My number two downs were

1528
01:13:47,418 --> 01:13:52,218
Speaker 2: I combined two guys, Daniel Aqualay and Krishan Ellis combined

1529
01:13:53,258 --> 01:13:56,537
Speaker 2: just got absolutely gashed in the run game. Like it's

1530
01:13:56,657 --> 01:13:59,697
Speaker 2: just a game. And I always use this reference for

1531
01:13:59,937 --> 01:14:03,418
Speaker 2: corners usually, but like now the Patriots have Waldo's in

1532
01:14:03,458 --> 01:14:06,338
Speaker 2: the front seven, where it's just like, wherever those two

1533
01:14:06,338 --> 01:14:08,977
Speaker 2: guys are, we're just gonna run it right at those

1534
01:14:09,018 --> 01:14:12,298
Speaker 2: two guys. We're gonna run away from Godshaw, We're gonna

1535
01:14:12,338 --> 01:14:14,937
Speaker 2: run away from Farms, We're gonna run away from Jennings,

1536
01:14:14,937 --> 01:14:17,537
Speaker 2: We're gonna run away from Tavai, and we're gonna put

1537
01:14:17,537 --> 01:14:19,577
Speaker 2: Ellis and we're gonna put a quality at the point

1538
01:14:19,577 --> 01:14:21,817
Speaker 2: of attack and we're gonna come right at him. And

1539
01:14:22,098 --> 01:14:26,897
Speaker 2: they just could not stop the run. Daniel Aqualay is

1540
01:14:26,937 --> 01:14:31,378
Speaker 2: a really fine rotational pass rusher, Like if you're playing

1541
01:14:31,458 --> 01:14:34,937
Speaker 2: him situationally, you can get by with him on the

1542
01:14:34,978 --> 01:14:38,258
Speaker 2: field and he can actually be disruptive on the pass rush.

1543
01:14:38,258 --> 01:14:40,777
Speaker 2: But they have to hope it doesn't look like Dietrich

1544
01:14:40,817 --> 01:14:43,418
Speaker 2: Wise is coming back. He hasn't practiced the last two days.

1545
01:14:44,138 --> 01:14:47,097
Speaker 2: Whether it's Jacquelin Roy, it's a bigger role for Christian

1546
01:14:47,138 --> 01:14:49,817
Speaker 2: Barmore on early downs now that he's getting back in

1547
01:14:49,817 --> 01:14:52,298
Speaker 2: the fold. Either way, they have to figure out a

1548
01:14:52,298 --> 01:14:54,738
Speaker 2: way to get Daniel Qualley off the field on rundowns.

1549
01:14:55,098 --> 01:14:59,418
Speaker 3: Yeah, next left side of the offensive line. So Darian

1550
01:14:59,458 --> 01:15:02,697
Speaker 3: Lowe had two very costly penalties. One of those penalties

1551
01:15:02,737 --> 01:15:06,258
Speaker 3: the illegal formation one. Michael He's lining up based on

1552
01:15:06,298 --> 01:15:09,137
Speaker 3: where Michael Jordan is, and Michael Jordan's not lined up correctly.

1553
01:15:09,218 --> 01:15:12,338
Speaker 3: So right, on one hand, you look at low and say,

1554
01:15:12,378 --> 01:15:14,378
Speaker 3: look down the line, realize he's not lined up, give

1555
01:15:14,458 --> 01:15:15,097
Speaker 3: me a tablet him.

1556
01:15:15,098 --> 01:15:15,178
Speaker 6: No.

1557
01:15:15,258 --> 01:15:17,218
Speaker 3: On the other hand, you know he shouldn't have to

1558
01:15:17,218 --> 01:15:19,058
Speaker 3: worry about where other guys are lined up. This is

1559
01:15:19,058 --> 01:15:20,697
Speaker 3: the NFL. You should just be able to trust that

1560
01:15:20,777 --> 01:15:23,857
Speaker 3: guy's lined up correctly. Not Jordan's worst game in the

1561
01:15:23,937 --> 01:15:26,458
Speaker 3: last few weeks, but certainly not one of his best.

1562
01:15:27,577 --> 01:15:29,857
Speaker 3: And Darian Low two just got beat a few times,

1563
01:15:29,897 --> 01:15:33,418
Speaker 3: so not a great day for either of those two.

1564
01:15:33,777 --> 01:15:36,577
Speaker 2: So I had Michael Jordan as my last one. I

1565
01:15:36,617 --> 01:15:39,298
Speaker 2: am with you on this. This has been trending, I

1566
01:15:39,338 --> 01:15:41,418
Speaker 2: would say, with Michael Jordan, and we're now at the

1567
01:15:41,458 --> 01:15:46,258
Speaker 2: point where we're talking about Cole strange Citiso has also

1568
01:15:46,338 --> 01:15:49,298
Speaker 2: not been good when they've given him opportunities to play

1569
01:15:49,298 --> 01:15:53,058
Speaker 2: guard so far, so maybe he's not the answer. But

1570
01:15:53,617 --> 01:15:56,577
Speaker 2: they pretty much can't run behind Michael Jordan like they

1571
01:15:56,737 --> 01:15:58,857
Speaker 2: just every time they run behind him, he's given up

1572
01:15:58,857 --> 01:16:01,418
Speaker 2: stuffs left and right. I had him with five run

1573
01:16:01,497 --> 01:16:05,298
Speaker 2: stuffs allowed in this game, just getting bodied, like upper

1574
01:16:05,378 --> 01:16:07,977
Speaker 2: body strain just not there, right, They just can't really

1575
01:16:07,978 --> 01:16:10,258
Speaker 2: sustain blocks. It's not so much that I think that

1576
01:16:10,298 --> 01:16:12,817
Speaker 2: he's bad in the initial setup of the block. I

1577
01:16:12,857 --> 01:16:14,977
Speaker 2: actually think that he gets on the guy pretty well.

1578
01:16:15,258 --> 01:16:17,378
Speaker 2: He just can't sustain it, Like he just gets thrown

1579
01:16:17,378 --> 01:16:20,977
Speaker 2: off blocks too much. So I had him as a down.

1580
01:16:21,338 --> 01:16:23,697
Speaker 2: I didn't think Ben Brown was great in this game either,

1581
01:16:23,777 --> 01:16:25,857
Speaker 2: but I give him some leeway because he's a practice

1582
01:16:25,857 --> 01:16:27,617
Speaker 2: squad guy that's being forced to start.

1583
01:16:27,777 --> 01:16:29,897
Speaker 3: At this point, I think it's game on between Michael

1584
01:16:29,937 --> 01:16:32,777
Speaker 3: Jordan Ben who's gonna play well enough to save their

1585
01:16:32,817 --> 01:16:34,897
Speaker 3: job because Cole Strange's coming from one of those two spots.

1586
01:16:34,978 --> 01:16:39,537
Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed. I believe that they're trying, and this coaching

1587
01:16:39,577 --> 01:16:42,777
Speaker 2: staff said it earlier with Van Pelt. I believe that

1588
01:16:42,817 --> 01:16:46,497
Speaker 2: they want Strange to play center. That's where his main

1589
01:16:46,497 --> 01:16:49,977
Speaker 2: focus is been in practice now. He said that that's

1590
01:16:50,058 --> 01:16:52,497
Speaker 2: mostly because he knows guard so well that he doesn't

1591
01:16:52,537 --> 01:16:56,537
Speaker 2: really need to care or focus as much on guard mentally, right,

1592
01:16:56,657 --> 01:16:59,017
Speaker 2: Like he kind of knows what he's doing there. But

1593
01:16:59,058 --> 01:17:01,097
Speaker 2: I'm with you. As soon as Cole Strange is healthy,

1594
01:17:01,657 --> 01:17:03,897
Speaker 2: as soon as he's ready to go and is ramped

1595
01:17:03,978 --> 01:17:06,298
Speaker 2: up enough to play, I think he's going in. I

1596
01:17:06,378 --> 01:17:08,058
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna be at Garter Center, but

1597
01:17:08,098 --> 01:17:08,897
Speaker 2: he's gonna play.

1598
01:17:08,697 --> 01:17:10,857
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's gonna be dictated by you know,

1599
01:17:10,897 --> 01:17:12,497
Speaker 3: however long it is the next week or two. What

1600
01:17:12,537 --> 01:17:14,857
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan shows you and what Cole Strange shows.

1601
01:17:14,657 --> 01:17:16,338
Speaker 2: You fair enough. So you had four two you said

1602
01:17:17,458 --> 01:17:19,418
Speaker 2: I had. The fourth one was Marco Wilson, but I

1603
01:17:19,418 --> 01:17:21,577
Speaker 2: took him off because he got cut. So my last

1604
01:17:21,577 --> 01:17:23,338
Speaker 2: one is Drake May for the last two plays of

1605
01:17:23,338 --> 01:17:26,298
Speaker 2: the game. Okay, So I had fifty eight minutes of

1606
01:17:26,378 --> 01:17:28,537
Speaker 2: awesome for Drake May. I had two minutes of not

1607
01:17:28,617 --> 01:17:32,818
Speaker 2: so good from Drake May. The sack before the interception

1608
01:17:32,937 --> 01:17:35,697
Speaker 2: might have been worse than the interception from his point

1609
01:17:35,697 --> 01:17:37,697
Speaker 2: of view, I agree with that he took a really

1610
01:17:37,737 --> 01:17:41,497
Speaker 2: bad sack. He had Kishan Boody on the outside dig route.

1611
01:17:41,497 --> 01:17:44,298
Speaker 2: It's like double dig right inside dig outside dig, and

1612
01:17:44,338 --> 01:17:46,418
Speaker 2: you're just reading the safety in the middle of the field.

1613
01:17:46,657 --> 01:17:49,017
Speaker 2: If the safety jumps the inside, you throw the outside.

1614
01:17:49,018 --> 01:17:51,098
Speaker 2: If the safety stays deep, you throw the inside, like

1615
01:17:51,138 --> 01:17:53,458
Speaker 2: it's just reading that one player in the middle of

1616
01:17:53,497 --> 01:17:56,097
Speaker 2: the field. They buzzed it so they closed it right,

1617
01:17:56,138 --> 01:17:58,577
Speaker 2: it was two and then they closed the field and

1618
01:17:59,018 --> 01:18:02,017
Speaker 2: he had Kaishan Boody coming out of the break on

1619
01:18:02,058 --> 01:18:05,298
Speaker 2: the dig. If he hits that, it's probably like a

1620
01:18:05,338 --> 01:18:07,458
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty yard game and they're right around the

1621
01:18:07,497 --> 01:18:10,657
Speaker 2: fifty at that point if he hits that throw. So

1622
01:18:10,697 --> 01:18:13,937
Speaker 2: that was a bad sack. And then the interception. I

1623
01:18:14,018 --> 01:18:16,458
Speaker 2: heard AVP today he kind of put it more on

1624
01:18:16,497 --> 01:18:19,378
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. It sounded like for not knowing when to

1625
01:18:19,458 --> 01:18:22,258
Speaker 2: sit in the void and look for the football. But

1626
01:18:22,378 --> 01:18:24,537
Speaker 2: I thought the throw was high anyways, Like he's a

1627
01:18:24,537 --> 01:18:27,657
Speaker 2: five foot hit receiver, so in order for Pop Douglas,

1628
01:18:27,657 --> 01:18:30,458
Speaker 2: Like maybe if Pop Douglas gets his head around in time,

1629
01:18:30,577 --> 01:18:32,937
Speaker 2: he saves an interception by just getting a hand on

1630
01:18:32,978 --> 01:18:36,418
Speaker 2: the ball, maybe for him to catch it. Like I

1631
01:18:36,418 --> 01:18:38,378
Speaker 2: if it was Hunter Henry, I would say, okay, six

1632
01:18:38,378 --> 01:18:40,777
Speaker 2: foot five, like he probably would have caught it five

1633
01:18:40,817 --> 01:18:43,298
Speaker 2: foot eight Pop Douglas, Like that's a floor. I'm not

1634
01:18:43,338 --> 01:18:47,178
Speaker 2: sure Pop Douglas can climb to. So I put half

1635
01:18:47,218 --> 01:18:49,218
Speaker 2: in half. I split the baby just along the lines

1636
01:18:49,218 --> 01:18:51,138
Speaker 2: with Drake May that was the right one, right, I

1637
01:18:51,178 --> 01:18:56,418
Speaker 2: split the baby split the difference, but anyways, no, not

1638
01:18:56,458 --> 01:18:59,458
Speaker 2: split what Yeah, I don't think he used that correctly.

1639
01:18:59,458 --> 01:18:59,977
Speaker 2: I think I did.

1640
01:19:00,058 --> 01:19:03,657
Speaker 3: But along the lines with Drake Man Alex van Pell

1641
01:19:03,737 --> 01:19:06,178
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting today because I've talked a

1642
01:19:06,178 --> 01:19:08,378
Speaker 3: lot about limiting the interceptions, right, what does that look like?

1643
01:19:09,138 --> 01:19:09,298
Speaker 7: Is it?

1644
01:19:09,338 --> 01:19:10,218
Speaker 2: You find it interesting today?

1645
01:19:10,258 --> 01:19:13,298
Speaker 3: Alex van Pelt actually gave us a number, and I

1646
01:19:13,298 --> 01:19:16,537
Speaker 3: don't think it's a bad number. Ten if finished the

1647
01:19:16,577 --> 01:19:18,657
Speaker 3: year with less than ten interceptions, So he's gonna make

1648
01:19:19,418 --> 01:19:23,937
Speaker 3: what is it gonna be? Thirteen starts right, yeah, sixteen, seventeen, No,

1649
01:19:24,018 --> 01:19:27,897
Speaker 3: let's eleven starts, eleven, twelve starts, twelve eleven, foll starts

1650
01:19:27,937 --> 01:19:30,937
Speaker 3: not gludeing Jets game, so math ten in orce and

1651
01:19:30,978 --> 01:19:31,857
Speaker 3: eleven starts.

1652
01:19:32,258 --> 01:19:34,537
Speaker 2: He's at six right now? Yeah?

1653
01:19:34,897 --> 01:19:38,178
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, if that's a good number, If he

1654
01:19:38,178 --> 01:19:39,497
Speaker 3: can finish there, I'd feel really good.

1655
01:19:39,497 --> 01:19:40,537
Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting.

1656
01:19:40,897 --> 01:19:43,777
Speaker 3: I had kind of said, you know, six games left

1657
01:19:44,058 --> 01:19:45,258
Speaker 3: six or few I think I said it on the

1658
01:19:45,298 --> 01:19:47,578
Speaker 3: show last week, six games left six or fewer interceptions

1659
01:19:47,577 --> 01:19:49,577
Speaker 3: for Drake May and all feel really good about where

1660
01:19:49,577 --> 01:19:52,897
Speaker 3: he's at turnover wise ten interceptions. That's the number now,

1661
01:19:52,897 --> 01:19:54,577
Speaker 3: I thought was interesting. Glex main Pelt gave like a

1662
01:19:54,737 --> 01:19:56,418
Speaker 3: specific number for that.

1663
01:19:56,617 --> 01:20:00,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the strip sack I've also put. I put

1664
01:20:00,298 --> 01:20:03,338
Speaker 2: like half of each turnover on on Drake. So the

1665
01:20:03,378 --> 01:20:07,817
Speaker 2: strip sack, he's trying to hit kish On Boody as

1666
01:20:07,897 --> 01:20:10,057
Speaker 2: like the ISO receiver on the play on the three

1667
01:20:10,098 --> 01:20:13,298
Speaker 2: by one, and like he's expecting Kaishan Boody to run

1668
01:20:13,338 --> 01:20:16,058
Speaker 2: like a stop route. He probably had nine steps and

1669
01:20:16,098 --> 01:20:17,617
Speaker 2: then just kind of break out of it and he's

1670
01:20:17,657 --> 01:20:20,178
Speaker 2: just gonna hit him right out of the break, and

1671
01:20:20,218 --> 01:20:24,617
Speaker 2: he just hesitates. I think Booty wasn't really winning on

1672
01:20:24,657 --> 01:20:26,537
Speaker 2: the route and wasn't giving him a whole lot of

1673
01:20:26,577 --> 01:20:29,537
Speaker 2: confidence to make that throw. But that's one of those

1674
01:20:29,577 --> 01:20:32,378
Speaker 2: throws on third day that you probably just try to

1675
01:20:32,418 --> 01:20:34,777
Speaker 2: throw like a back shoulder where it's like Booty or

1676
01:20:34,777 --> 01:20:36,937
Speaker 2: nobody right like and just kind of live with the

1677
01:20:37,298 --> 01:20:40,418
Speaker 2: incompletion on that play just to avoid the disaster of

1678
01:20:40,458 --> 01:20:43,258
Speaker 2: a turnover. So I put half of that on him,

1679
01:20:43,497 --> 01:20:46,138
Speaker 2: even though Booty wasn't really open. You have to just

1680
01:20:46,138 --> 01:20:48,537
Speaker 2: throw the ball somewhere right like, you can't just and

1681
01:20:48,617 --> 01:20:50,817
Speaker 2: it was a really really fast sack. But you have

1682
01:20:50,897 --> 01:20:53,777
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to Booty, just throw it outside

1683
01:20:53,817 --> 01:20:56,777
Speaker 2: of his outside shoulder, on the back shoulder, and if

1684
01:20:56,777 --> 01:20:58,617
Speaker 2: it goes out, it sails out of bounds. It sails

1685
01:20:58,617 --> 01:21:00,298
Speaker 2: out of bounds, right like, and you put the ball

1686
01:21:00,338 --> 01:21:04,257
Speaker 2: and you play field position and whatever. So that turnover

1687
01:21:04,378 --> 01:21:06,938
Speaker 2: I put half on Drake and then I mentioned the interception.

1688
01:21:07,018 --> 01:21:09,617
Speaker 2: But outside of that, there was really only one other

1689
01:21:09,657 --> 01:21:11,657
Speaker 2: play that I had like a really big ripe with.

1690
01:21:11,737 --> 01:21:14,937
Speaker 2: It was a zero, all out blitz by the Rams

1691
01:21:15,338 --> 01:21:18,058
Speaker 2: in the red zone. They just sent the house on

1692
01:21:18,138 --> 01:21:20,537
Speaker 2: a third down in the red zone and Drake May

1693
01:21:20,617 --> 01:21:22,218
Speaker 2: just kind of panic threw it out of the back

1694
01:21:22,258 --> 01:21:24,777
Speaker 2: of the end zone a little bit, and if he

1695
01:21:24,817 --> 01:21:28,017
Speaker 2: had just stayed with the play and stayed a little

1696
01:21:28,058 --> 01:21:31,697
Speaker 2: bit more poised, he had Pop Douglas on the slant

1697
01:21:31,737 --> 01:21:35,218
Speaker 2: for a walking touchdown, right like, Pop just separates the

1698
01:21:35,817 --> 01:21:37,977
Speaker 2: out of the bunch and he's he's gonna walk in

1699
01:21:38,018 --> 01:21:40,338
Speaker 2: for a touchdown. So that was just one of those

1700
01:21:40,378 --> 01:21:42,657
Speaker 2: plays where it was one of the few times where

1701
01:21:42,657 --> 01:21:45,497
Speaker 2: he didn't really see the blitz coming and was taken

1702
01:21:45,497 --> 01:21:48,017
Speaker 2: by surprise. Might have been the first zero he's ever

1703
01:21:48,058 --> 01:21:50,577
Speaker 2: seen in the NFL. Yeah, so that might have been

1704
01:21:50,617 --> 01:21:53,017
Speaker 2: part of it. And it goes to again the youth

1705
01:21:53,058 --> 01:21:54,617
Speaker 2: and growing, like next time he sees it, how does

1706
01:21:54,657 --> 01:21:57,138
Speaker 2: he react. That's the one thing I would say, you know,

1707
01:21:57,218 --> 01:22:02,338
Speaker 2: for him outside of the turnovers is red area offense.

1708
01:22:02,497 --> 01:22:05,897
Speaker 2: And oftentimes in the red zone everything happens a lot

1709
01:22:06,058 --> 01:22:08,697
Speaker 2: faster and the reds have to be a lot quicker

1710
01:22:08,697 --> 01:22:11,497
Speaker 2: because the space is so confined, so you have to

1711
01:22:11,577 --> 01:22:15,057
Speaker 2: speed up your process even more as a quarterback, So

1712
01:22:15,138 --> 01:22:18,378
Speaker 2: it's hard for rookie quarterbacks in the red zone. They

1713
01:22:18,418 --> 01:22:21,058
Speaker 2: haven't been as good in the red zone. I like that.

1714
01:22:21,138 --> 01:22:23,258
Speaker 2: A lot of the offensive players said that they felt

1715
01:22:23,258 --> 01:22:25,497
Speaker 2: like that cost them this game, Like if they get

1716
01:22:25,577 --> 01:22:28,497
Speaker 2: touchdowns in a lot of those situations instead of field goals,

1717
01:22:28,497 --> 01:22:31,177
Speaker 2: they might win this game on Sunday against the Rams,

1718
01:22:31,418 --> 01:22:33,378
Speaker 2: and I agree with them. There was a couple of

1719
01:22:33,418 --> 01:22:35,737
Speaker 2: instances where I thought that Drake may should have pulled

1720
01:22:35,737 --> 01:22:39,177
Speaker 2: the trigger and just didn't. Whether it was throw away,

1721
01:22:39,777 --> 01:22:43,577
Speaker 2: you know, scramble slash check down, really checked down with

1722
01:22:43,897 --> 01:22:47,017
Speaker 2: him as a scrambler and those types of situations like

1723
01:22:47,018 --> 01:22:48,777
Speaker 2: he's just got to be a little bit faster with

1724
01:22:48,817 --> 01:22:51,058
Speaker 2: it in the red zone with his decision making that

1725
01:22:51,138 --> 01:22:53,737
Speaker 2: will come. I also think they can help him down

1726
01:22:53,817 --> 01:22:56,777
Speaker 2: there by finding more ways to use his legs and

1727
01:22:56,817 --> 01:23:00,897
Speaker 2: incorporate his mobility, because that really eliminates a lot of

1728
01:23:00,897 --> 01:23:03,817
Speaker 2: that challenge. Like if you cut off half the field

1729
01:23:03,857 --> 01:23:06,058
Speaker 2: because you roll him out of the pocket, that's a

1730
01:23:06,138 --> 01:23:08,338
Speaker 2: much easier read than asking him to go through an

1731
01:23:08,458 --> 01:23:11,258
Speaker 2: entire progression in the red zone. Right, So just roll

1732
01:23:11,298 --> 01:23:14,937
Speaker 2: him out, read option, whatever you have to do to

1733
01:23:14,978 --> 01:23:16,817
Speaker 2: get the ball in. I think I think that type

1734
01:23:16,857 --> 01:23:19,458
Speaker 2: of stuff is coming. Mayo said it earlier this week

1735
01:23:19,657 --> 01:23:22,817
Speaker 2: that they didn't want to overload him with information now

1736
01:23:22,817 --> 01:23:24,737
Speaker 2: that they feel like he's doing a better job with

1737
01:23:24,777 --> 01:23:27,657
Speaker 2: some of the traditional stuff. I do think some of

1738
01:23:27,697 --> 01:23:30,258
Speaker 2: the quarterback runs are coming. We talked about this last week.

1739
01:23:30,497 --> 01:23:33,937
Speaker 3: It this is gonna be a big test for AVP, Like,

1740
01:23:34,018 --> 01:23:38,097
Speaker 3: all right, you're not running the full offense right away. Fine,

1741
01:23:38,458 --> 01:23:39,937
Speaker 3: you want to ease the kid in, but you need

1742
01:23:39,978 --> 01:23:43,097
Speaker 3: to see it continue because there's AVP the quarterback developer

1743
01:23:43,098 --> 01:23:45,497
Speaker 3: and AVP the play caller, and for him to stay here,

1744
01:23:45,537 --> 01:23:47,897
Speaker 3: you need to see the offense come a little more

1745
01:23:47,897 --> 01:23:50,138
Speaker 3: complex and a little more intricate. And I get and

1746
01:23:50,178 --> 01:23:51,537
Speaker 3: I want to do that right away. But all right,

1747
01:23:51,617 --> 01:23:53,097
Speaker 3: let's go chat ramping it up.

1748
01:23:53,138 --> 01:23:55,017
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get it to you guys. I know

1749
01:23:55,058 --> 01:23:56,577
Speaker 2: all of you been waiting on ho for a really

1750
01:23:56,617 --> 01:23:59,857
Speaker 2: long time. We really appreciate it. And then we're gonna

1751
01:23:59,897 --> 01:24:02,617
Speaker 2: talk some dolphins here for the last half an hour

1752
01:24:02,697 --> 01:24:04,937
Speaker 2: as well. But before we do that, I want to

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1765
01:24:43,777 --> 01:24:45,577
Speaker 2: get to the phones. I know you guys have been waiting,

1766
01:24:45,617 --> 01:24:51,378
Speaker 2: so I appreciate it. H Patty is an aga. What's up, Patty?

1767
01:24:51,697 --> 01:24:52,737
Speaker 5: What's going on? Gentlemen?

1768
01:24:52,857 --> 01:24:53,338
Speaker 2: How are we doing?

1769
01:24:53,338 --> 01:24:55,378
Speaker 8: He am?

1770
01:24:55,378 --> 01:24:58,138
Speaker 5: I'm doing all right. So I just want to say, like,

1771
01:24:58,617 --> 01:25:00,817
Speaker 5: I know you guys have been talking about a VP

1772
01:25:01,418 --> 01:25:05,937
Speaker 5: and you know, just fans, these ignorant fairweather fans, need

1773
01:25:05,978 --> 01:25:08,258
Speaker 5: to get it through their head that this is a

1774
01:25:08,378 --> 01:25:11,577
Speaker 5: first year regime, like across the board, minus the owner,

1775
01:25:11,737 --> 01:25:16,697
Speaker 5: you know, quarterback, coach, coordinators included. All you really have

1776
01:25:16,737 --> 01:25:18,298
Speaker 5: to do is just lo'll get out far Drake has

1777
01:25:18,298 --> 01:25:21,298
Speaker 5: progressed since training camp until now, and anyone that's listened

1778
01:25:21,338 --> 01:25:23,737
Speaker 5: to you guys that's listened to Patriots dot Com knows

1779
01:25:23,777 --> 01:25:26,138
Speaker 5: that it's night and day. So I just wanted to

1780
01:25:26,138 --> 01:25:29,338
Speaker 5: throw that out there. First second. This will be the

1781
01:25:29,418 --> 01:25:32,777
Speaker 5: last time I promise I look into the future. But

1782
01:25:33,338 --> 01:25:35,817
Speaker 5: the more time goes on, if we're there, like if

1783
01:25:35,817 --> 01:25:39,617
Speaker 5: he's there when we're picking, I'm the needle is moving

1784
01:25:39,817 --> 01:25:43,097
Speaker 5: very far towards just picking Ted McMillan, or if he's

1785
01:25:43,098 --> 01:25:45,937
Speaker 5: not there, Abdul Carter and you know what this may

1786
01:25:46,018 --> 01:25:48,817
Speaker 5: sound crazy, like let the Darian mo play, maybe get

1787
01:25:49,058 --> 01:25:52,977
Speaker 5: Josh him and let him rehab and train him, you know,

1788
01:25:53,098 --> 01:25:55,897
Speaker 5: to be the left tackle of the future. That's kind

1789
01:25:55,897 --> 01:25:58,418
Speaker 5: of where I am with that, and I have I

1790
01:25:58,458 --> 01:26:00,497
Speaker 5: have to ask this question, are you guys doing a

1791
01:26:00,497 --> 01:26:01,338
Speaker 5: show next week?

1792
01:26:01,777 --> 01:26:03,697
Speaker 2: We are doing a show next week. We're gonna do

1793
01:26:03,737 --> 01:26:10,338
Speaker 2: it on Tuesday after afternoon. I think probably Round four

1794
01:26:10,777 --> 01:26:13,657
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, so we're gonna just move it up on

1795
01:26:13,697 --> 01:26:15,697
Speaker 2: Tuesday and then well, we will also have a show

1796
01:26:15,737 --> 01:26:17,777
Speaker 2: during the bye week as well, which is coming up too,

1797
01:26:17,897 --> 01:26:22,017
Speaker 2: so we'll have shows both of those weeks.

1798
01:26:22,058 --> 01:26:25,697
Speaker 5: Cool, all right. I'll throw some thanksgiving them questions out

1799
01:26:25,697 --> 01:26:29,418
Speaker 5: at you guys next week. But I really want to

1800
01:26:29,418 --> 01:26:33,097
Speaker 5: win this game, Evan and Alex. I want you guys

1801
01:26:33,098 --> 01:26:36,657
Speaker 5: to tell me what is the biggest variable for us

1802
01:26:36,697 --> 01:26:40,057
Speaker 5: to win this game? Because I fregain hate the Dolphins.

1803
01:26:40,098 --> 01:26:43,378
Speaker 5: I've always hatted the Dolphins since the Shoe La Marino days.

1804
01:26:44,018 --> 01:26:48,857
Speaker 5: They are my Yankees of the NFL. And I know

1805
01:26:48,897 --> 01:26:51,298
Speaker 5: the Jets screw up every year and that's great because

1806
01:26:51,378 --> 01:26:55,017
Speaker 5: I can't stand them either. But like I just I

1807
01:26:55,058 --> 01:26:56,897
Speaker 5: want to spin tell us how we do it. I'll

1808
01:26:56,937 --> 01:26:57,737
Speaker 5: take it off here, guys.

1809
01:26:57,857 --> 01:27:00,098
Speaker 2: Thanks bag, thanks for the call, and yeah, thanks for

1810
01:27:00,458 --> 01:27:02,737
Speaker 2: prompting me to tell you guys that the next next

1811
01:27:02,777 --> 01:27:05,697
Speaker 2: Tuesday at four is when our show is gonna be all.

1812
01:27:05,737 --> 01:27:08,137
Speaker 2: We'll both tweet and everything and make sure you guys

1813
01:27:08,178 --> 01:27:10,218
Speaker 2: are are as weare as you can be. But that's

1814
01:27:10,258 --> 01:27:12,817
Speaker 2: a good shout. In terms of this game against Miami,

1815
01:27:12,857 --> 01:27:16,218
Speaker 2: I also appreciate a little segue into the Dolphins here

1816
01:27:16,258 --> 01:27:19,258
Speaker 2: a little bit. I'll just be short because I know

1817
01:27:19,298 --> 01:27:21,418
Speaker 2: we have people that have been on hold, and then

1818
01:27:21,458 --> 01:27:23,177
Speaker 2: we'll get into it a little bit more in a minute.

1819
01:27:23,497 --> 01:27:25,777
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing to me is going back to

1820
01:27:25,978 --> 01:27:29,577
Speaker 2: what we were talking about with the base defense versus Nickel

1821
01:27:29,617 --> 01:27:32,218
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuf. If I'm the Patriots,

1822
01:27:32,418 --> 01:27:35,378
Speaker 2: I am begging the Dolphins to run the ball in

1823
01:27:35,418 --> 01:27:37,617
Speaker 2: this game. Like run it, run it, run it, like

1824
01:27:37,697 --> 01:27:40,697
Speaker 2: go ahead, Like go ahead and run the ball. Try

1825
01:27:40,897 --> 01:27:44,258
Speaker 2: try to possess it yourself. Try to elongate there, short

1826
01:27:44,298 --> 01:27:47,298
Speaker 2: and excuse me this game and try to get this

1827
01:27:47,378 --> 01:27:49,937
Speaker 2: game in the twenties. Like if the Patriots are in

1828
01:27:50,058 --> 01:27:52,497
Speaker 2: the twenties against the Dolphins, then I think they're gonna

1829
01:27:52,497 --> 01:27:54,497
Speaker 2: have a puncher's chance, just like they did last week

1830
01:27:54,537 --> 01:27:57,418
Speaker 2: against the Rams. It's when it gets you know, into

1831
01:27:57,458 --> 01:27:59,857
Speaker 2: the thirties because Tyreek Hill is hit in seventy five

1832
01:27:59,937 --> 01:28:02,897
Speaker 2: yard bombs from Tua. Like, that's when I get worried

1833
01:28:02,897 --> 01:28:04,937
Speaker 2: about this game. I don't they don't have the talent

1834
01:28:05,018 --> 01:28:07,897
Speaker 2: yet on offense to win a track meet against the Dolphins.

1835
01:28:07,937 --> 01:28:09,577
Speaker 2: So you have to make it an ugly game. Force

1836
01:28:09,617 --> 01:28:11,777
Speaker 2: the Dolphins be disciplined, force them to go on long

1837
01:28:11,897 --> 01:28:14,178
Speaker 2: drives and win the turnover battle, something they haven't been

1838
01:28:14,178 --> 01:28:15,777
Speaker 2: able to do. I'll say on his draft take two

1839
01:28:15,817 --> 01:28:20,537
Speaker 2: real quick, yep, the whole Josh Simmons thinks. Patriots fans

1840
01:28:20,537 --> 01:28:22,458
Speaker 2: are starting to learn about Josh Simmons and really sink

1841
01:28:22,497 --> 01:28:26,097
Speaker 2: their teeth in. So, Josh Simmons was left tackle Ohio State. Yeah,

1842
01:28:26,458 --> 01:28:28,617
Speaker 2: was having a really good year, trending towards being, you know,

1843
01:28:28,617 --> 01:28:31,897
Speaker 2: a top fifteen pick of left tackle, and tore his

1844
01:28:31,978 --> 01:28:33,697
Speaker 2: knee up. I don't remember exactly what the injury was

1845
01:28:33,777 --> 01:28:35,258
Speaker 2: or if that's even out there, but he's done for

1846
01:28:35,298 --> 01:28:38,138
Speaker 2: the season. So now Patriots fans look at that and say,

1847
01:28:38,138 --> 01:28:41,418
Speaker 2: there's your starting caliber left tackle you can get later. Yeah,

1848
01:28:41,537 --> 01:28:42,738
Speaker 2: it's a half measure.

1849
01:28:42,857 --> 01:28:44,777
Speaker 3: And maybe Josh Simmons ends up being good, but it's

1850
01:28:44,777 --> 01:28:46,737
Speaker 3: a half measure. You don't know that he's gonna be

1851
01:28:46,777 --> 01:28:49,977
Speaker 3: available next year. They can't do They've been doing half

1852
01:28:50,018 --> 01:28:53,497
Speaker 3: measures at left tackle for like seven or eight years now.

1853
01:28:53,737 --> 01:28:56,137
Speaker 3: They can't keep doing it. And the other thing about

1854
01:28:56,178 --> 01:28:58,817
Speaker 3: you know, letting Vederian Low continue to play again. He's

1855
01:28:58,857 --> 01:29:01,857
Speaker 3: been better than expected, but he hasn't been great. He's

1856
01:29:01,857 --> 01:29:04,458
Speaker 3: also been hurt a lot. And you know, we missed

1857
01:29:04,458 --> 01:29:07,218
Speaker 3: practice yesterday. We'll see what happened, what it looks like

1858
01:29:07,218 --> 01:29:10,697
Speaker 3: on the injury report today. He's not exactly a big

1859
01:29:11,418 --> 01:29:15,777
Speaker 3: body at tackle, and I think there's legitimate durability questions

1860
01:29:15,777 --> 01:29:17,697
Speaker 3: with him. So if you're playing to go into the

1861
01:29:17,737 --> 01:29:21,338
Speaker 3: season is a fringe level starter who can't stay healthy

1862
01:29:21,737 --> 01:29:23,697
Speaker 3: and a guy who maybe has upside but won't be

1863
01:29:23,737 --> 01:29:25,857
Speaker 3: ready to go right away because he's coming off torn acl.

1864
01:29:26,018 --> 01:29:27,017
Speaker 2: You didn't fix the position.

1865
01:29:27,378 --> 01:29:29,737
Speaker 3: Maybe you think you did, and if you know, you're

1866
01:29:29,737 --> 01:29:32,018
Speaker 3: talking yourself into that being a fix in order to

1867
01:29:32,098 --> 01:29:32,418
Speaker 3: draft a.

1868
01:29:32,378 --> 01:29:35,857
Speaker 2: Guy like Teed McMillan. You didn't fix it. Like you didn't.

1869
01:29:35,897 --> 01:29:37,777
Speaker 3: You're just trying to find a way to draft tech McMillan.

1870
01:29:38,058 --> 01:29:39,897
Speaker 3: If that's what you want to do, it to me,

1871
01:29:39,937 --> 01:29:43,777
Speaker 3: it's still getting aggressive taking Tech McMillan towards the top,

1872
01:29:44,218 --> 01:29:46,097
Speaker 3: maybe you trade down a pick or two if you can,

1873
01:29:46,178 --> 01:29:48,497
Speaker 3: if some of these quarterbacks show up, and then moving

1874
01:29:48,537 --> 01:29:49,257
Speaker 3: up and taking.

1875
01:29:49,018 --> 01:29:53,017
Speaker 2: A guy like Arion to Ursere I the We're gonna

1876
01:29:53,018 --> 01:29:56,378
Speaker 2: hear a lot, a lot a lot about Josh Simmons

1877
01:29:56,418 --> 01:29:58,178
Speaker 2: and Evan. You might even like him. It might be good.

1878
01:29:58,298 --> 01:30:01,697
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking a guy five months removed from a torn

1879
01:30:01,737 --> 01:30:05,737
Speaker 3: ACL if he enters the draft at all, and I

1880
01:30:05,737 --> 01:30:07,258
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a junior senior, so he may

1881
01:30:07,298 --> 01:30:08,977
Speaker 3: not have that option. But taking a guy coming off

1882
01:30:08,978 --> 01:30:11,138
Speaker 3: of torn acl if he enters the draft at all,

1883
01:30:11,857 --> 01:30:13,857
Speaker 3: that's not solving the left tackle problem. I'm not saying

1884
01:30:13,897 --> 01:30:15,977
Speaker 3: they won't do it, but to me, that is not

1885
01:30:16,018 --> 01:30:18,937
Speaker 3: addressing the left tackle position. It's kicking the can down

1886
01:30:18,937 --> 01:30:19,857
Speaker 3: the road again.

1887
01:30:20,138 --> 01:30:22,777
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we have some good questions about the draft

1888
01:30:22,777 --> 01:30:24,937
Speaker 2: that we can get to here too in a second.

1889
01:30:25,018 --> 01:30:27,258
Speaker 2: But I want to Simmons a senior so he can't

1890
01:30:27,258 --> 01:30:29,617
Speaker 2: go back to school. But point stance, Yeah, I'm gonna

1891
01:30:29,657 --> 01:30:33,697
Speaker 2: take Christian in La here. What's up, Christian? Hey you guys,

1892
01:30:33,697 --> 01:30:35,418
Speaker 2: how you doing today?

1893
01:30:36,657 --> 01:30:38,577
Speaker 7: Yeah? No words, Nord. I love to talk to you guys.

1894
01:30:38,577 --> 01:30:40,857
Speaker 7: I love the X and os as opposed to what

1895
01:30:40,897 --> 01:30:42,737
Speaker 7: we do more on what you guys do, more on

1896
01:30:42,857 --> 01:30:46,738
Speaker 7: uh Patriots and Filter. So this always gives us callers

1897
01:30:46,737 --> 01:30:49,937
Speaker 7: a chance to talk some actual football with the guys.

1898
01:30:49,978 --> 01:30:53,577
Speaker 7: So with that, with that said, I kind of wanted

1899
01:30:53,617 --> 01:30:57,857
Speaker 7: to in some way echo what what Patty said in

1900
01:30:57,978 --> 01:31:01,657
Speaker 7: terms of, hey, this is a new regime. Everyone's basically new,

1901
01:31:01,697 --> 01:31:05,418
Speaker 7: and you could tell that they're just experimenting. I mean,

1902
01:31:05,418 --> 01:31:09,138
Speaker 7: you have Alex Vampel's who gets this quarterback with superpowers,

1903
01:31:09,298 --> 01:31:13,858
Speaker 7: and he's sort of been increasingly nerving Drake Made's superpowers

1904
01:31:13,857 --> 01:31:16,017
Speaker 7: by having him throw shorter and shorter, sort of more

1905
01:31:16,018 --> 01:31:19,417
Speaker 7: controlled stuff, and that just reached to me like Vampel's

1906
01:31:19,497 --> 01:31:22,458
Speaker 7: is unsure of, you know, the receivers that he's got,

1907
01:31:22,458 --> 01:31:25,218
Speaker 7: all the schemes that he's got set up for Drake

1908
01:31:25,298 --> 01:31:29,937
Speaker 7: to throw down the field. So I was definitely you

1909
01:31:29,937 --> 01:31:33,897
Speaker 7: guys just for that or if it's something to truly

1910
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Speaker 7: jumped the Shark, you guys left out one crucial component,

1911
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Speaker 7: and that is the appearance of Ted McGinley. You remember

1912
01:31:41,018 --> 01:31:44,017
Speaker 7: whenever Ted McGinley showed up, that's the show that jumped

1913
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Speaker 7: the Shark from Happy Days to married with children in

1914
01:31:48,338 --> 01:31:51,338
Speaker 7: the show that he showed up on. So back to

1915
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Speaker 7: the Drake maysup. What do you guys think about that

1916
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Speaker 7: Van help butt of being just a little bit getty

1917
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Speaker 7: sort of nurfing Drake May.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Christian. And this is something

1919
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Speaker 2: that I actually wrote about in after further review, I

1920
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Speaker 2: guess maybe I'm just like a glass half full kind

1921
01:32:07,178 --> 01:32:09,817
Speaker 2: of guy. But the way that I looked at the

1922
01:32:09,897 --> 01:32:12,577
Speaker 2: game plan and the fact that Drake May isn't throwing

1923
01:32:12,577 --> 01:32:14,697
Speaker 2: the ball down the field quite as much as maybe

1924
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Speaker 2: his skill set would suggest, I actually think it's really

1925
01:32:18,298 --> 01:32:21,657
Speaker 2: smart by the coaching staff because they don't have the

1926
01:32:22,298 --> 01:32:25,218
Speaker 2: horses offensively to play that kind of football, Like, they

1927
01:32:25,218 --> 01:32:27,697
Speaker 2: don't have ball winners on the outside, they don't have

1928
01:32:27,777 --> 01:32:30,217
Speaker 2: a great offensive line to scheme up the deep shots.

1929
01:32:30,577 --> 01:32:33,057
Speaker 2: So what are they doing. They're having Drake May play

1930
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Speaker 2: on schedule Like they're not going backwards, they're going forwards.

1931
01:32:36,617 --> 01:32:39,497
Speaker 2: He's hitting the short and intermediate stuff. What I've been

1932
01:32:39,537 --> 01:32:41,937
Speaker 2: really impressed about is how good he's doing at it

1933
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Speaker 2: right And now what my feeling is is that he's

1934
01:32:44,897 --> 01:32:48,737
Speaker 2: really developed the short game. Like to use a golf analogy,

1935
01:32:48,817 --> 01:32:54,338
Speaker 2: like he's really developed his ability to put and now

1936
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Speaker 2: just wait a second until they have somebody on the

1937
01:32:57,338 --> 01:32:59,298
Speaker 2: outside that can win down the field. Now you're starting

1938
01:32:59,298 --> 01:33:01,977
Speaker 2: to see the driver too, right, Like and now here's

1939
01:33:01,978 --> 01:33:04,178
Speaker 2: a complete guy. Like now you can hit fairways and

1940
01:33:04,218 --> 01:33:06,017
Speaker 2: you can hit your putts, and all of a sudden,

1941
01:33:06,018 --> 01:33:08,497
Speaker 2: you've got this complete player. That, to me, is what

1942
01:33:08,537 --> 01:33:10,857
Speaker 2: the goal is here. This is what we're good at

1943
01:33:10,937 --> 01:33:14,177
Speaker 2: right now, is the short and intermediate passing game. Because

1944
01:33:14,218 --> 01:33:16,937
Speaker 2: of who's around him, we're gonna nurture this part of

1945
01:33:16,978 --> 01:33:19,458
Speaker 2: his game or develop this part of his game. And

1946
01:33:19,497 --> 01:33:21,338
Speaker 2: then once we get it t Higgins, once we get

1947
01:33:21,338 --> 01:33:23,777
Speaker 2: at Ted McMillan, once we get a Travis Hunter, once

1948
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Speaker 2: we get a left tackle, then we can start pushing

1949
01:33:26,218 --> 01:33:28,258
Speaker 2: the ball down the field a little bit more because

1950
01:33:28,258 --> 01:33:30,897
Speaker 2: we already know he's good at that stuff. So I

1951
01:33:30,897 --> 01:33:33,378
Speaker 2: don't look at it as like they're trying to force

1952
01:33:33,458 --> 01:33:36,098
Speaker 2: Drake to play out of character or out of you know,

1953
01:33:36,418 --> 01:33:39,057
Speaker 2: out of his nature. I actually think that they're trying

1954
01:33:39,058 --> 01:33:40,977
Speaker 2: to teach him how to play quarterback and how to

1955
01:33:41,018 --> 01:33:44,017
Speaker 2: win in this league. Like some weeks are it's gonna take.

1956
01:33:44,378 --> 01:33:46,338
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to win by death by a thousand

1957
01:33:46,338 --> 01:33:48,458
Speaker 2: paper cuts. Other weeks, you're gonna want to throw the

1958
01:33:48,458 --> 01:33:51,298
Speaker 2: ball down the field. It's all just about matchups, and

1959
01:33:51,338 --> 01:33:53,577
Speaker 2: that was something that you know, Brady was so good at.

1960
01:33:53,857 --> 01:33:57,097
Speaker 2: Mahomes has become excellent at it as well. Where it's

1961
01:33:57,098 --> 01:33:59,218
Speaker 2: not every week is gonna be four hundred yards for

1962
01:33:59,258 --> 01:34:01,617
Speaker 2: Patty Mahomes, right, Like some weeks, he's gonna have to

1963
01:34:01,617 --> 01:34:04,258
Speaker 2: play a different kind of game for them to win.

1964
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Speaker 2: And I think that's what they're trying to get through

1965
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Speaker 2: to Drake right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about this with the with the Bears game, right,

1967
01:34:09,537 --> 01:34:12,458
Speaker 3: being able to just point coard it. Yeah, I don't

1968
01:34:12,458 --> 01:34:14,298
Speaker 3: know that they're like nerving the things he does best.

1969
01:34:14,338 --> 01:34:15,977
Speaker 3: I just think that's been the matchups. I'm sure we'll

1970
01:34:15,978 --> 01:34:17,977
Speaker 3: see him get back to some of the more explosive stuff.

1971
01:34:18,497 --> 01:34:22,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. All right, I Riley is in California?

1972
01:34:22,178 --> 01:34:29,418
Speaker 2: What's up? Riley? Riley? He loop going once?

1973
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Speaker 5: Hello?

1974
01:34:30,098 --> 01:34:32,218
Speaker 2: Hey? Is it gone? Hey?

1975
01:34:32,298 --> 01:34:32,458
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1976
01:34:32,458 --> 01:34:35,017
Speaker 5: I'm sorry about that. I was on mute.

1977
01:34:35,897 --> 01:34:38,177
Speaker 4: So the things here.

1978
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Speaker 6: First of all, I just want to say, I think

1979
01:34:41,458 --> 01:34:44,857
Speaker 6: it's pretty funny that every single show I watch, you're

1980
01:34:44,897 --> 01:34:47,618
Speaker 6: always apologizing to us listeners.

1981
01:34:47,657 --> 01:34:49,218
Speaker 5: For keeping us on hold.

1982
01:34:49,138 --> 01:35:02,697
Speaker 2: Evan, it's it's what we do. Still there, Hello, I

1983
01:35:02,697 --> 01:35:04,337
Speaker 2: think he might have needed himself again.

1984
01:35:04,338 --> 01:35:07,497
Speaker 4: That's been a pretty hot topic of dis.

1985
01:35:09,617 --> 01:35:10,257
Speaker 2: Or just still.

1986
01:35:11,577 --> 01:35:18,258
Speaker 9: Yesterday cat Sports or something like that, and uh mentioned

1987
01:35:18,458 --> 01:35:22,577
Speaker 9: how Ron Mayo is very very.

1988
01:35:22,697 --> 01:35:33,777
Speaker 6: Contradictory whatever he discusses von Baker in the sense that

1989
01:35:34,817 --> 01:35:37,057
Speaker 6: he kind of goes back and forth on his words.

1990
01:35:37,138 --> 01:35:39,298
Speaker 6: Like a few weeks ago, he was saying that Davon

1991
01:35:39,418 --> 01:35:43,097
Speaker 6: Baker is the explosive player with the ball in his hands,

1992
01:35:43,138 --> 01:35:44,217
Speaker 6: and they've.

1993
01:35:44,058 --> 01:35:46,338
Speaker 4: Got to find him ways to get the ball.

1994
01:35:46,937 --> 01:35:48,418
Speaker 5: And so we've obviously.

1995
01:35:47,978 --> 01:35:50,337
Speaker 4: Seen him implement it on you know, kick.

1996
01:35:50,178 --> 01:35:52,897
Speaker 9: Returns, and then last week he had that.

1997
01:35:53,138 --> 01:35:56,737
Speaker 4: Great forty six yard return and then obviously muffed the

1998
01:35:56,817 --> 01:36:00,338
Speaker 4: second hunt and tried to turtle of the Rams defender

1999
01:36:00,378 --> 01:36:04,298
Speaker 4: and only got sixteen yards and then was obviously pulled

2000
01:36:04,298 --> 01:36:07,017
Speaker 4: out of the game and benched. And then Girod Mayo

2001
01:36:08,018 --> 01:36:11,817
Speaker 4: following the game says, you know, he just he wasn't

2002
01:36:11,857 --> 01:36:13,537
Speaker 4: doing he wasn't doing it right.

2003
01:36:15,537 --> 01:36:18,697
Speaker 9: We just need him to do things more right.

2004
01:36:18,897 --> 01:36:21,777
Speaker 4: So I guess where I'm going with that is, you

2005
01:36:21,777 --> 01:36:25,737
Speaker 4: guys think it's actually a Keavon Baker issue, like he's

2006
01:36:25,777 --> 01:36:28,378
Speaker 4: just not you know, doing exit and O was right,

2007
01:36:28,497 --> 01:36:32,218
Speaker 4: like not running the proper route, not knowing his assignments,

2008
01:36:32,258 --> 01:36:32,977
Speaker 4: things like that.

2009
01:36:33,697 --> 01:36:35,537
Speaker 9: Or do you think that it's.

2010
01:36:35,258 --> 01:36:42,057
Speaker 4: Just a Girod Mayo issue with Javon Baker derister then

2011
01:36:42,737 --> 01:36:46,777
Speaker 4: at the beginning when we drafted him, Mayo didn't really

2012
01:36:46,817 --> 01:36:50,058
Speaker 4: seem too too fond of him and had some you know,

2013
01:36:50,218 --> 01:36:55,418
Speaker 4: comments early on about him. So yeah, that's that's my question.

2014
01:36:55,497 --> 01:36:55,777
Speaker 7: Guys.

2015
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Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Riley appreciated. Look, I think the

2016
01:36:58,777 --> 01:37:01,458
Speaker 2: biggest thing for this coaching staff right now, and we've

2017
01:37:01,497 --> 01:37:04,897
Speaker 2: asked them all three guys, you know, both coordinators and

2018
01:37:04,897 --> 01:37:08,977
Speaker 2: and Girodd about this, Oh, this season is just weighing

2019
01:37:09,058 --> 01:37:11,378
Speaker 2: the pros and cons of the young guys playing. Right,

2020
01:37:11,537 --> 01:37:13,898
Speaker 2: You're when you play young guys, there's gonna be mistakes,

2021
01:37:14,178 --> 01:37:16,537
Speaker 2: but you're also trying to develop those players. And as

2022
01:37:16,537 --> 01:37:19,817
Speaker 2: a rebuilding team, you want to develop guys like Javanne Baker,

2023
01:37:19,937 --> 01:37:23,218
Speaker 2: like Jalen Polk, like jaheiem Bell, like Drake may and

2024
01:37:23,258 --> 01:37:25,418
Speaker 2: you want to get them out there and there's gonna

2025
01:37:25,458 --> 01:37:28,378
Speaker 2: be mistakes, there's gonna be turnovers, there's gonna be bad routes,

2026
01:37:28,418 --> 01:37:31,497
Speaker 2: there's gonna be mishandlings of football's on kick offs, all

2027
01:37:31,537 --> 01:37:35,097
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So it's a very fine line

2028
01:37:35,178 --> 01:37:41,217
Speaker 2: to walk between letting the kids play, but also those

2029
01:37:41,298 --> 01:37:45,657
Speaker 2: mistakes lose you football games, right, So it's it's definitely difficult.

2030
01:37:45,697 --> 01:37:49,017
Speaker 2: It's hard to sort of say which way to go

2031
01:37:49,098 --> 01:37:51,138
Speaker 2: with that. I hear both sides of it. I hear

2032
01:37:51,178 --> 01:37:52,937
Speaker 2: the size of say you're three and eight and you

2033
01:37:52,937 --> 01:37:54,657
Speaker 2: should just live with the kids and let it go.

2034
01:37:55,218 --> 01:37:58,817
Speaker 2: And my guess is that down let's say the last

2035
01:37:58,897 --> 01:38:01,617
Speaker 2: month of the season, last couple games of the season

2036
01:38:02,098 --> 01:38:05,177
Speaker 2: and January, I do think that you'll see the kids

2037
01:38:05,218 --> 01:38:07,218
Speaker 2: play a lot like I think they will sort of

2038
01:38:07,697 --> 01:38:12,258
Speaker 2: let that happen. But right now, as crazy as it

2039
01:38:12,697 --> 01:38:16,097
Speaker 2: as it may be on the outside looking in, there's

2040
01:38:16,138 --> 01:38:18,817
Speaker 2: not really a path. But you have to coach like

2041
01:38:18,857 --> 01:38:22,697
Speaker 2: there's a path, right and if they're actively hurting the team,

2042
01:38:23,418 --> 01:38:26,177
Speaker 2: then you have to pull those players off the field. Yeah,

2043
01:38:26,697 --> 01:38:29,177
Speaker 2: And we've talked about what's best for Drake may versus

2044
01:38:29,178 --> 01:38:32,177
Speaker 2: what's best for some of the other rooks and doing

2045
01:38:32,178 --> 01:38:32,458
Speaker 2: all that.

2046
01:38:32,497 --> 01:38:35,458
Speaker 3: I just think with Baker could he's not picking it up. Yeah,

2047
01:38:35,458 --> 01:38:37,378
Speaker 3: whatever it is, he's not picking up. They talked about

2048
01:38:37,418 --> 01:38:40,777
Speaker 3: maybe not liking what he was doing on the kickoff return, so.

2049
01:38:41,737 --> 01:38:44,218
Speaker 2: You got to put the guy players. It helps them

2050
01:38:44,298 --> 01:38:45,177
Speaker 2: to develop to play.

2051
01:38:45,218 --> 01:38:48,338
Speaker 3: But if the guy doesn't know what he's doing, I'm

2052
01:38:48,378 --> 01:38:50,218
Speaker 3: not going to do much for his development, and then

2053
01:38:50,258 --> 01:38:51,378
Speaker 3: you're just hurting everybody else.

2054
01:38:51,418 --> 01:38:54,817
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't love him on kickoffs. I

2055
01:38:55,258 --> 01:38:58,777
Speaker 2: don't really see him as maybe I'm just have which

2056
01:38:58,817 --> 01:39:02,138
Speaker 2: I know is bad like logic to some extent. It

2057
01:39:02,298 --> 01:39:04,418
Speaker 2: just maybe it's just a forty time that's in my head.

2058
01:39:04,897 --> 01:39:07,697
Speaker 2: But I think he's an explosive mover, but I don't

2059
01:39:07,737 --> 01:39:11,458
Speaker 2: think that he's an explosive, straight line speed kind of guy,

2060
01:39:11,537 --> 01:39:13,897
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Like I think he's twitchy, but

2061
01:39:13,978 --> 01:39:16,218
Speaker 2: I don't think that he is like a burner that's

2062
01:39:16,218 --> 01:39:19,017
Speaker 2: gonna run by people. The guy that I don't understand

2063
01:39:19,098 --> 01:39:22,257
Speaker 2: why doesn't they don't try him on kickoffs is Isaiah Boulden,

2064
01:39:22,418 --> 01:39:24,537
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand. I'm still waiting for that.

2065
01:39:24,537 --> 01:39:26,017
Speaker 3: Well, my my take at the beginning of the year

2066
01:39:26,058 --> 01:39:27,897
Speaker 3: was Kai Shan Boudi being the kick returner that he

2067
01:39:27,978 --> 01:39:29,418
Speaker 3: became the number one receiver.

2068
01:39:29,298 --> 01:39:31,537
Speaker 2: Right like I get Marcus Zones is also a name

2069
01:39:31,577 --> 01:39:35,058
Speaker 2: that people have thrown around, but you know Springer's explanation

2070
01:39:35,138 --> 01:39:37,577
Speaker 2: of like he's a smaller guy and they're trying to

2071
01:39:37,657 --> 01:39:41,178
Speaker 2: keep him healthy. Like if you put him on kickoffs, punts, defense,

2072
01:39:41,258 --> 01:39:44,977
Speaker 2: now offense, like it's spreading Marcus Jones really thin. I

2073
01:39:45,018 --> 01:39:48,777
Speaker 2: still think if you were in a situation where you

2074
01:39:48,777 --> 01:39:52,258
Speaker 2: could return a kickoff that maybe wins a game, that

2075
01:39:52,378 --> 01:39:55,577
Speaker 2: maybe they would put Marcus Jones back there to have that.

2076
01:39:55,697 --> 01:39:58,218
Speaker 2: You know, the Dolphins do that with Tyreek Hill all

2077
01:39:58,258 --> 01:40:01,058
Speaker 2: the time, right like, if this is a game winning situation,

2078
01:40:01,258 --> 01:40:03,937
Speaker 2: then we're gonna we'll put him back there. So I

2079
01:40:03,937 --> 01:40:06,137
Speaker 2: could see that with Marcus Jones, But I do wonder

2080
01:40:06,258 --> 01:40:08,017
Speaker 2: if it was active on game day. He's playing on

2081
01:40:08,058 --> 01:40:11,017
Speaker 2: special teams, Like why, I don't know why Isaiah Bolden

2082
01:40:11,058 --> 01:40:13,177
Speaker 2: doesn't get a chance. He was great at it in college.

2083
01:40:13,258 --> 01:40:15,458
Speaker 2: So that's the one guy I scratched my head on

2084
01:40:15,577 --> 01:40:20,497
Speaker 2: kickoffs with Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?

2085
01:40:20,537 --> 01:40:22,458
Speaker 2: Call us back Kendall and we'll get you on the air.

2086
01:40:22,817 --> 01:40:24,657
Speaker 2: A couple of emails. Want to go through the emails?

2087
01:40:24,857 --> 01:40:27,937
Speaker 2: Do the do rapid fire through the emails? Probably not

2088
01:40:27,978 --> 01:40:30,098
Speaker 2: gonna work. Let's see what the questions are. Sometimes you

2089
01:40:30,098 --> 01:40:33,458
Speaker 2: gotta get a little bit of nuanced okay. So here

2090
01:40:33,697 --> 01:40:38,857
Speaker 2: is an email from Floyd in Michigan. He says, good afternoon,

2091
01:40:38,857 --> 01:40:41,338
Speaker 2: Evan and Alex. A number of recent mock drafts have

2092
01:40:41,418 --> 01:40:44,857
Speaker 2: the Patriots selecting ot Will Campbell at pick number six,

2093
01:40:45,458 --> 01:40:50,777
Speaker 2: which is frustrating, says Kendall, because he thinks, and he

2094
01:40:50,857 --> 01:40:54,577
Speaker 2: has read that Will Campbell is a guard, and he

2095
01:40:54,697 --> 01:40:57,737
Speaker 2: is not drafting a guard with the sixth overall picks.

2096
01:40:57,817 --> 01:41:00,817
Speaker 2: So we are gonna hear about this for the next

2097
01:41:01,098 --> 01:41:02,977
Speaker 2: six to eight months. But how long is it till

2098
01:41:02,978 --> 01:41:10,657
Speaker 2: the draft? Six months April four? It's crazy, it's six months,

2099
01:41:10,978 --> 01:41:14,577
Speaker 2: let's call it six. We're gonna hear about this until

2100
01:41:14,577 --> 01:41:18,378
Speaker 2: February when he measures his arms at the combine that

2101
01:41:18,418 --> 01:41:21,178
Speaker 2: Will Campbell is a guard. I am not ready to

2102
01:41:21,218 --> 01:41:23,737
Speaker 2: say that Will Campbell's guard until I see the measurement

2103
01:41:23,777 --> 01:41:26,458
Speaker 2: of his arms right like that. That's really where I'm at.

2104
01:41:26,817 --> 01:41:31,097
Speaker 2: He plays, he plays perfectly fine at tackle. He's got feet,

2105
01:41:31,218 --> 01:41:35,378
Speaker 2: he's got a tackle movement ability. If his arms are

2106
01:41:35,418 --> 01:41:38,137
Speaker 2: too short, then we'll have that conversation when we have it,

2107
01:41:38,178 --> 01:41:41,937
Speaker 2: But for right now, I'm operating under the impression that

2108
01:41:42,058 --> 01:41:45,017
Speaker 2: he is still a tackle. But if he's at thirty

2109
01:41:45,058 --> 01:41:46,657
Speaker 2: two inches, then he's going to be a guard.

2110
01:41:46,897 --> 01:41:49,098
Speaker 3: Or is he you know, like Rashaun Slater, is he

2111
01:41:49,138 --> 01:41:50,338
Speaker 3: the guy that resets the numbers?

2112
01:41:50,378 --> 01:41:51,617
Speaker 2: He just that good? Yep?

2113
01:41:51,897 --> 01:41:52,017
Speaker 10: Uh?

2114
01:41:52,617 --> 01:41:54,857
Speaker 3: Do you take that chance? And then there's also Kevin Banks.

2115
01:41:54,978 --> 01:41:57,497
Speaker 3: Don't look, I'm the mock draft guy, right, I love

2116
01:41:57,537 --> 01:41:58,537
Speaker 3: doing all these mock drafts.

2117
01:41:58,577 --> 01:41:59,097
Speaker 2: That's true.

2118
01:41:59,737 --> 01:42:01,577
Speaker 3: There's a reason I don't do Monck drafts till the

2119
01:42:01,617 --> 01:42:04,338
Speaker 3: season is over. The season being excuse me, college and

2120
01:42:04,537 --> 01:42:08,777
Speaker 3: NFL still ball up to play, So I wouldn't read

2121
01:42:08,817 --> 01:42:10,697
Speaker 3: too much into these Monck drafts at this point one

2122
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Speaker 3: way or the other. To me, if you see Will Campbell,

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01:42:13,018 --> 01:42:15,017
Speaker 3: that person basically tells you they think the Patriots are

2124
01:42:15,058 --> 01:42:17,897
Speaker 3: taking a tackle. Yeah, it's one hundred and fifty four days,

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01:42:17,978 --> 01:42:21,177
Speaker 3: four hours, eleven minutes, forty five seconds until the draft.

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Speaker 2: Nice. I found a website that counts it down. Yeah,

2127
01:42:23,897 --> 01:42:26,777
Speaker 2: it's mighty my new homepage. Well it's it's it's like,

2128
01:42:27,298 --> 01:42:30,657
Speaker 2: what's the website. It's draftcountdown dot com. Oh really, there's

2129
01:42:30,697 --> 01:42:32,338
Speaker 2: like a website that I use all the time. It's

2130
01:42:32,338 --> 01:42:33,618
Speaker 2: like a day to date calcul.

2131
01:42:33,458 --> 01:42:36,417
Speaker 3: No, this is specifically for the draft, like this website

2132
01:42:36,458 --> 01:42:37,697
Speaker 3: is draft countdown dot com.

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01:42:37,697 --> 01:42:39,657
Speaker 2: The fact that you didn't know this already is kind

2134
01:42:39,697 --> 01:42:42,817
Speaker 2: of astonishing. I'm surprised by that. All Right, we have

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01:42:42,897 --> 01:42:45,617
Speaker 2: Kendall back. Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?

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Speaker 10: Hey, sorry about that? How you doing good? I got

2137
01:42:50,937 --> 01:42:53,418
Speaker 10: two questions, one for you, Evan and one for you Alex.

2138
01:42:54,018 --> 01:42:56,458
Speaker 10: The first one, Evan, what are you seeing from this

2139
01:42:56,577 --> 01:42:59,298
Speaker 10: Dolphins defense? And how how do you what is the

2140
01:42:59,298 --> 01:43:02,218
Speaker 10: best way for the Patriots to attack on Sunday? And

2141
01:43:02,577 --> 01:43:05,337
Speaker 10: but Alex, I want to ask uh if we address

2142
01:43:05,338 --> 01:43:07,657
Speaker 10: while Steven Offski. So let's just say we go out

2143
01:43:07,697 --> 01:43:10,218
Speaker 10: to sign t Higgins and then in the in the

2144
01:43:10,218 --> 01:43:12,617
Speaker 10: first round, could you see us still taking a Tampman

2145
01:43:12,697 --> 01:43:15,298
Speaker 10: Millon or did you see us probably getting another guy

2146
01:43:15,338 --> 01:43:17,098
Speaker 10: probably let on a draft and who would be the

2147
01:43:17,098 --> 01:43:18,418
Speaker 10: odd man out the receiver room?

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Thanks Kendall, Thanks for the call as always.

2149
01:43:21,178 --> 01:43:23,977
Speaker 2: So starting with the Dolphins, Uh, I think the biggest

2150
01:43:23,978 --> 01:43:26,657
Speaker 2: thing to me with this Dolphins defense is, uh, they

2151
01:43:26,697 --> 01:43:28,897
Speaker 2: have given up quite a few yards in the same

2152
01:43:28,937 --> 01:43:31,418
Speaker 2: type of game plans that the Patriot it's used last week,

2153
01:43:31,497 --> 01:43:34,977
Speaker 2: Like those short and intermediate yards are there. They are

2154
01:43:35,338 --> 01:43:39,497
Speaker 2: a pretty exotic in terms of how they scheme up pressure.

2155
01:43:39,497 --> 01:43:42,777
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty similar. We're getting to the point now

2156
01:43:43,178 --> 01:43:45,617
Speaker 2: and this is probably a longer conversation for a different time,

2157
01:43:45,697 --> 01:43:48,017
Speaker 2: but we're getting to the point now where like this,

2158
01:43:48,178 --> 01:43:53,378
Speaker 2: like Mike McDonald vic Fangio fused together defense is like

2159
01:43:53,458 --> 01:43:56,897
Speaker 2: the Kyle is like the Shanahan Tree right offense where

2160
01:43:56,897 --> 01:43:59,497
Speaker 2: it's like half the league is running the same defense.

2161
01:43:59,937 --> 01:44:03,937
Speaker 2: So the defense that the Dolphins are running under Anthony Weaver,

2162
01:44:04,018 --> 01:44:06,817
Speaker 2: who was with Baltimore for the last three seasons, is

2163
01:44:06,897 --> 01:44:09,258
Speaker 2: really similar to the defense that they played against the

2164
01:44:09,338 --> 01:44:13,617
Speaker 2: Rams where they're going on third down, they're exotics, like

2165
01:44:13,657 --> 01:44:16,657
Speaker 2: they're gonna bring pressure from different places and it's gonna

2166
01:44:16,657 --> 01:44:18,977
Speaker 2: be up to the quarterback to sort it out post nap.

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01:44:19,577 --> 01:44:22,537
Speaker 2: So I look at this game plan again and say,

2168
01:44:22,697 --> 01:44:26,137
Speaker 2: just continue to do what you do. Because Gardner Minshew

2169
01:44:26,497 --> 01:44:29,218
Speaker 2: averaged three point seven air yards per attempt to go

2170
01:44:29,258 --> 01:44:31,138
Speaker 2: back to a dot and we had the same two

2171
01:44:31,218 --> 01:44:33,537
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two yards and two touchdowns as Drake

2172
01:44:33,617 --> 01:44:36,937
Speaker 2: made did right. Really almost the exact same stat line

2173
01:44:37,258 --> 01:44:40,458
Speaker 2: for Gardner, Minshew so brought Bowers had a huge game.

2174
01:44:41,218 --> 01:44:43,897
Speaker 2: Patriots have a couple of capable tight ends. So I

2175
01:44:43,937 --> 01:44:47,418
Speaker 2: expect the Patriots to try to, you know, do the

2176
01:44:47,418 --> 01:44:50,617
Speaker 2: same exact thing, and hopefully they like they did last week,

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01:44:50,857 --> 01:44:53,937
Speaker 2: you break off some of those short and intermediate routes

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01:44:53,978 --> 01:44:56,497
Speaker 2: for longer plays on explosives. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Draft draft, I would say if they added veteran receiver,

2180
01:45:01,937 --> 01:45:03,617
Speaker 3: even if they added t Higgins, right, if they want

2181
01:45:03,617 --> 01:45:06,217
Speaker 3: to go back to back with receivers, him and McMillan

2182
01:45:06,258 --> 01:45:07,178
Speaker 3: are pretty redundant.

2183
01:45:07,258 --> 01:45:09,617
Speaker 2: Yeah. At that point, we're probably talking more about Luther

2184
01:45:09,697 --> 01:45:12,537
Speaker 2: Burden or even Nick me Buka. Yeah, who's coming on?

2185
01:45:12,737 --> 01:45:14,937
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, yeah, he's starting to play better. Yeah.

2186
01:45:15,378 --> 01:45:18,537
Speaker 3: He just set the like Ohio State all time receiving

2187
01:45:18,617 --> 01:45:21,097
Speaker 3: yards or receptions record, which when you think about the

2188
01:45:21,617 --> 01:45:24,777
Speaker 3: is that career yeah, yeah, which is now a lot

2189
01:45:24,777 --> 01:45:26,057
Speaker 3: of those guys are only there for three years.

2190
01:45:26,138 --> 01:45:28,657
Speaker 2: Ye who has been there or like still half a century.

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01:45:29,018 --> 01:45:32,097
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be really surprised if they did that,

2192
01:45:33,338 --> 01:45:35,098
Speaker 3: even if they you know, went out and got a

2193
01:45:35,138 --> 01:45:39,577
Speaker 3: different receiver and I don't Metcalf or not Metcalf Higgins

2194
01:45:39,617 --> 01:45:42,017
Speaker 3: and McMillan don't make sense together. Like those you guys

2195
01:45:42,058 --> 01:45:46,817
Speaker 3: played the exact same position, same role. That would be

2196
01:45:46,857 --> 01:45:49,777
Speaker 3: a bad pick in that specific Not that McMillan is

2197
01:45:49,777 --> 01:45:52,737
Speaker 3: a bad pick, but in the specific circumstance. If they

2198
01:45:52,777 --> 01:45:55,017
Speaker 3: were to do something like that, who's the odd man out?

2199
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Speaker 3: So you'd have Higgins, you'd have the draft pick, you'd

2200
01:45:57,817 --> 01:46:00,017
Speaker 3: have a booty still being a part of it. Douglas

2201
01:46:00,098 --> 01:46:01,098
Speaker 3: is still going to be a part of it. I

2202
01:46:01,298 --> 01:46:04,178
Speaker 3: would keep Kendrick Bourne in, Jalen Polk the odd man out,

2203
01:46:04,178 --> 01:46:06,617
Speaker 3: it's probably Javon Baker unless they keep seven again. But

2204
01:46:07,497 --> 01:46:12,257
Speaker 3: if they make their premium veteran offseason addition or a receiver,

2205
01:46:12,338 --> 01:46:15,977
Speaker 3: which I'm on the record saying they should do, No,

2206
01:46:16,058 --> 01:46:17,897
Speaker 3: I don't think a first round receiver is worth it.

2207
01:46:17,937 --> 01:46:19,577
Speaker 3: I don't think a first round receiver is a smart

2208
01:46:19,577 --> 01:46:20,258
Speaker 3: pick at that.

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Speaker 2: Don't think it's necessary, Like it's not necessary. No, they

2210
01:46:22,817 --> 01:46:24,378
Speaker 2: have depth at that point.

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01:46:24,577 --> 01:46:26,697
Speaker 3: If if you don't want to take a tackle, if

2212
01:46:26,697 --> 01:46:29,537
Speaker 3: you're worried about the tackles, now we start talking about

2213
01:46:29,697 --> 01:46:31,137
Speaker 3: I don't think the first overall picks.

2214
01:46:31,138 --> 01:46:33,138
Speaker 2: So Travis Hunter's probably off the table. He's gonna be

2215
01:46:33,138 --> 01:46:34,218
Speaker 2: a Jaguar. I think.

2216
01:46:34,258 --> 01:46:38,177
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about will Johnson. Now you're talking about

2217
01:46:38,418 --> 01:46:41,657
Speaker 3: Michael Williams. Now you're talking about James Pearce, Abdul Carter,

2218
01:46:41,737 --> 01:46:46,378
Speaker 3: who got asked about earlier. If it's not a tackle, honestly,

2219
01:46:46,418 --> 01:46:48,937
Speaker 3: and at the point where you're probably looking at a

2220
01:46:48,937 --> 01:46:49,697
Speaker 3: defensive player.

2221
01:46:49,897 --> 01:46:52,617
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a question from David in Madrid,

2222
01:46:52,657 --> 01:46:55,178
Speaker 2: who emails into the show all the time. And this

2223
01:46:55,258 --> 01:46:57,178
Speaker 2: is something along those same lines that you were just

2224
01:46:57,218 --> 01:46:59,298
Speaker 2: talking about that I've been thinking about quite a bit,

2225
01:46:59,817 --> 01:47:01,897
Speaker 2: and that is, you know, at the top of the

2226
01:47:01,978 --> 01:47:05,017
Speaker 2: draft this year, are we trending towards this just being

2227
01:47:05,018 --> 01:47:08,497
Speaker 2: a best player available draft for the Patriots. And I'm

2228
01:47:08,537 --> 01:47:12,617
Speaker 2: not saying that I drafted safety like he mentioned Malchi Starks.

2229
01:47:12,657 --> 01:47:16,617
Speaker 2: You look sorry. Continue. Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm

2230
01:47:16,657 --> 01:47:19,737
Speaker 2: not totally throwing out positional value when I say that.

2231
01:47:20,378 --> 01:47:23,897
Speaker 2: But if you told me that the best course of

2232
01:47:23,978 --> 01:47:27,218
Speaker 2: action was to take the best player available at a

2233
01:47:27,218 --> 01:47:32,777
Speaker 2: premium position, receiver, attack, pass rusher, cornerback, right, they already

2234
01:47:32,777 --> 01:47:34,418
Speaker 2: have the quarterback, so they don't need to do that.

2235
01:47:35,298 --> 01:47:36,937
Speaker 2: If it's on the defensive side of the ball, then

2236
01:47:36,978 --> 01:47:38,977
Speaker 2: I'm I'm game, like, does give me the best player

2237
01:47:39,018 --> 01:47:39,458
Speaker 2: at that point?

2238
01:47:39,497 --> 01:47:42,657
Speaker 3: You know, I think best player available is a myth.

2239
01:47:43,058 --> 01:47:45,097
Speaker 3: I think the concept of drafting the best player available

2240
01:47:45,098 --> 01:47:47,418
Speaker 3: is a myth because evan Travis Hunter goes first overall,

2241
01:47:47,418 --> 01:47:49,218
Speaker 3: who's the best player left on the board. Who is

2242
01:47:49,258 --> 01:47:52,298
Speaker 3: the best football player at their position on the board?

2243
01:47:52,577 --> 01:47:54,218
Speaker 3: Please give me the correct answer. I know you don't

2244
01:47:54,218 --> 01:47:55,657
Speaker 3: want to say it, but give me the correct answer.

2245
01:47:55,697 --> 01:47:57,978
Speaker 2: Wait. So, if Travis Hunter is off the board.

2246
01:47:57,817 --> 01:48:01,617
Speaker 3: Who's the most talented football player at his position left?

2247
01:48:02,178 --> 01:48:10,178
Speaker 2: Probably that Michigan tackle. It's ash and Genty, But so

2248
01:48:10,338 --> 01:48:11,977
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't. I I don't think they should take

2249
01:48:11,978 --> 01:48:13,857
Speaker 2: ash and Genty. I don't. He's gonna be a cowboy

2250
01:48:13,937 --> 01:48:16,617
Speaker 2: one way or the other. But that's a okay, he's

2251
01:48:16,617 --> 01:48:18,977
Speaker 2: gonna be come on, well, no, I just I don't

2252
01:48:19,058 --> 01:48:21,298
Speaker 2: care it's him. I think it's him.

2253
01:48:21,497 --> 01:48:24,737
Speaker 3: To your point about the Michigan defensive tackle Mason Graham, yeah,

2254
01:48:25,937 --> 01:48:28,777
Speaker 3: I'm almost with you. I wouldn't take a defensive tackle

2255
01:48:28,817 --> 01:48:31,018
Speaker 3: that high. That's the one position if you want to

2256
01:48:31,058 --> 01:48:32,817
Speaker 3: sell you wouldn't take like I and I know.

2257
01:48:32,817 --> 01:48:35,857
Speaker 2: This is unfair, but like, yeah, you wouldn't take Chris

2258
01:48:35,937 --> 01:48:36,577
Speaker 2: Jones that high.

2259
01:48:36,617 --> 01:48:40,177
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking specifically like in this class for this team. Okay,

2260
01:48:40,218 --> 01:48:42,177
Speaker 3: So like if you want to sell me on Will Johnson,

2261
01:48:42,218 --> 01:48:43,537
Speaker 3: if you don't believe in one of the tackles you

2262
01:48:43,537 --> 01:48:46,298
Speaker 3: want to and they add a veteran receiver, right, you

2263
01:48:46,338 --> 01:48:47,777
Speaker 3: want to sell me on Will Johnson. I can be

2264
01:48:47,817 --> 01:48:49,897
Speaker 3: sold on Will Johnson. You want to sell me on

2265
01:48:49,937 --> 01:48:51,897
Speaker 3: Michael Williams, you want to sell me I'm still not

2266
01:48:51,897 --> 01:48:54,177
Speaker 3: sure on James Pierce, but like we'll get their Abdua Carter.

2267
01:48:54,657 --> 01:48:57,697
Speaker 3: I just look at defensive tackle and I think Mason

2268
01:48:57,737 --> 01:49:01,617
Speaker 3: Graham's a good player. I think Dion Walker is already

2269
01:49:01,617 --> 01:49:04,177
Speaker 3: being slept on, and I think he's going.

2270
01:49:03,978 --> 01:49:05,817
Speaker 2: To be as good.

2271
01:49:06,298 --> 01:49:08,338
Speaker 3: Well, for one thing, they have Barmore. I would say

2272
01:49:08,338 --> 01:49:10,377
Speaker 3: defensive tackle is the one position where.

2273
01:49:10,298 --> 01:49:12,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd have Barmore, And I would say that like

2274
01:49:12,378 --> 01:49:14,857
Speaker 2: Kean is really like a flex like so like he's

2275
01:49:15,018 --> 01:49:17,577
Speaker 2: more of a hand than the dirt guy, so passing

2276
01:49:17,617 --> 01:49:18,097
Speaker 2: downs too.

2277
01:49:18,218 --> 01:49:20,097
Speaker 3: Between that and looking at the rest of the class,

2278
01:49:20,138 --> 01:49:22,458
Speaker 3: if you're gonna take Mason Graham, at least trade down

2279
01:49:22,458 --> 01:49:25,017
Speaker 3: and take Deon Walker, that's the one and I reserved

2280
01:49:25,018 --> 01:49:26,418
Speaker 3: the right change my mind for a long way out.

2281
01:49:26,458 --> 01:49:29,777
Speaker 3: But looking at it right now, I that's that's the

2282
01:49:29,817 --> 01:49:33,258
Speaker 3: one position I'd be like, I think it's is Mason

2283
01:49:33,298 --> 01:49:36,418
Speaker 3: Graham the best player available? Maybe, but when you get

2284
01:49:36,497 --> 01:49:39,178
Speaker 3: into the value of it, of you know, what are

2285
01:49:39,218 --> 01:49:42,697
Speaker 3: you really adding. I think a guy like James Pierce,

2286
01:49:42,817 --> 01:49:44,338
Speaker 3: if he is the past rusher, we think he is

2287
01:49:44,737 --> 01:49:47,258
Speaker 3: a guy like Michael Williams probably gives you more pound

2288
01:49:47,298 --> 01:49:49,138
Speaker 3: for pound. And if it's like, well, no, we want

2289
01:49:49,178 --> 01:49:51,218
Speaker 3: a defensive tackle, we want a two headed monster in

2290
01:49:51,258 --> 01:49:54,338
Speaker 3: the middle. Trade down, take Dean Walker. I think he

2291
01:49:54,458 --> 01:49:55,178
Speaker 3: ended up better for it.

2292
01:49:55,657 --> 01:49:59,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really coming around on on defense. I mean, look,

2293
01:49:59,298 --> 01:50:01,418
Speaker 2: we went on this whole thing about the coaching and

2294
01:50:01,737 --> 01:50:03,977
Speaker 2: on the deal. This is all predicated on them adding

2295
01:50:04,218 --> 01:50:08,098
Speaker 2: t Higgins, DK Metcalfeck. Sure, but they don't think they

2296
01:50:08,178 --> 01:50:10,657
Speaker 2: need to take ten. But even still, I mean yeah,

2297
01:50:10,777 --> 01:50:13,857
Speaker 2: but like, even still, it is obviously everything is is

2298
01:50:14,018 --> 01:50:18,258
Speaker 2: you know about attacking it correctly in the veteran market too, right,

2299
01:50:18,697 --> 01:50:20,937
Speaker 2: But I just look at it and I just think

2300
01:50:20,978 --> 01:50:23,458
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of really good defensive talent in

2301
01:50:23,537 --> 01:50:26,218
Speaker 2: this draft. I think Will Johnson, even though he's had

2302
01:50:26,218 --> 01:50:27,577
Speaker 2: a little bit of a down year. You tell me,

2303
01:50:27,617 --> 01:50:29,937
Speaker 2: I think he's a hell of a football player. Still, yeah,

2304
01:50:30,178 --> 01:50:31,937
Speaker 2: you know, I think there's a lot of really good

2305
01:50:32,218 --> 01:50:34,458
Speaker 2: defensive talent. I still feel like Travis Hunter is a

2306
01:50:34,497 --> 01:50:36,937
Speaker 2: better corner. I know I'm with you on that. I

2307
01:50:37,018 --> 01:50:39,617
Speaker 2: know he's probably gonna play receiver in the league. But

2308
01:50:39,737 --> 01:50:41,977
Speaker 2: the point I'm getting at is is that you know

2309
01:50:42,058 --> 01:50:44,058
Speaker 2: they need talent on both sides of the ball. And

2310
01:50:44,138 --> 01:50:46,258
Speaker 2: I understand we all want to give Drake May as

2311
01:50:46,338 --> 01:50:48,058
Speaker 2: toys and we all want to set Drake May up

2312
01:50:48,098 --> 01:50:51,418
Speaker 2: for success. We absolutely do, but you can do that

2313
01:50:51,537 --> 01:50:53,857
Speaker 2: in different avenues. And I look at the defensive side,

2314
01:50:53,937 --> 01:50:57,577
Speaker 2: and really, when you think about it, two out of

2315
01:50:57,617 --> 01:51:00,337
Speaker 2: the last three drafts have been offensive drafts for the Patriots.

2316
01:51:00,577 --> 01:51:03,177
Speaker 2: Twenty three was the defensive draft. Bill pick three guys

2317
01:51:03,258 --> 01:51:04,937
Speaker 2: on the top of the draft, all defense, you know,

2318
01:51:05,098 --> 01:51:08,617
Speaker 2: Christian Zales, Kean White, Marte Mapu. But in twenty twenty

2319
01:51:08,697 --> 01:51:12,537
Speaker 2: two it was Cole Strange, Taekwan Thornton, Pierre Strong. They

2320
01:51:12,697 --> 01:51:15,537
Speaker 2: mixed in Marcus Jones in there, and then obviously last

2321
01:51:15,617 --> 01:51:17,857
Speaker 2: year they pick one defensive player in the sixth round.

2322
01:51:17,937 --> 01:51:21,298
Speaker 2: In Marcella's dial That's a big reason why the depth

2323
01:51:21,338 --> 01:51:23,298
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the football is where it is.

2324
01:51:23,378 --> 01:51:26,178
Speaker 2: You haven't really been drafting a ton on that side

2325
01:51:26,218 --> 01:51:28,977
Speaker 2: of the football, So we're at the point now where

2326
01:51:29,338 --> 01:51:32,937
Speaker 2: another pass rusher is necessary. Your pass rush right now

2327
01:51:33,058 --> 01:51:34,977
Speaker 2: is I think they're thirtieth or thirty first in the

2328
01:51:35,018 --> 01:51:37,258
Speaker 2: league in pressure rate on defense, so they don't get

2329
01:51:37,298 --> 01:51:41,977
Speaker 2: pressure on the quarterback anymore. They're second cornerback spot opposite

2330
01:51:42,058 --> 01:51:45,458
Speaker 2: of Christian Gonzales is a problem. Marcus Jones is a

2331
01:51:45,497 --> 01:51:48,017
Speaker 2: slot like, he's just undersize to play on the outside.

2332
01:51:48,098 --> 01:51:49,497
Speaker 2: He's a good slock corner, but he's a stock corner.

2333
01:51:49,617 --> 01:51:52,497
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones is really gonna, I think gonna transition to

2334
01:51:53,018 --> 01:51:56,097
Speaker 2: free safety here soon and start to play more at safety,

2335
01:51:56,418 --> 01:51:59,857
Speaker 2: so you really need another guy on the outside opposite

2336
01:51:59,897 --> 01:52:02,737
Speaker 2: of Gonzales. You're getting to the point where all these

2337
01:52:02,777 --> 01:52:06,138
Speaker 2: things are starting to creep up inside linebacker depth, you know,

2338
01:52:06,298 --> 01:52:08,418
Speaker 2: like you lose Bentley and that whole group kind of

2339
01:52:08,458 --> 01:52:10,537
Speaker 2: goes to to shambles.

2340
01:52:10,577 --> 01:52:12,657
Speaker 3: And this how many years have we done that? It's

2341
01:52:12,697 --> 01:52:16,218
Speaker 3: been a bad linebacker draft. Yeah, right, good linebacker draft

2342
01:52:16,298 --> 01:52:19,097
Speaker 3: this year. Harold Perk and Danny Stutsman, she had Campbell,

2343
01:52:19,537 --> 01:52:22,178
Speaker 3: assuming he comes out. The one thing I'll say to

2344
01:52:22,258 --> 01:52:24,497
Speaker 3: the point you just gave is when you because because

2345
01:52:24,497 --> 01:52:27,097
Speaker 3: you're just kind of going off of who you've heard

2346
01:52:27,098 --> 01:52:31,217
Speaker 3: of as the top thirty guys. Yeah, right, the talent

2347
01:52:31,697 --> 01:52:34,458
Speaker 3: We've become so accustomed to there being just this tremendous

2348
01:52:34,537 --> 01:52:36,218
Speaker 3: depth on the offense inside of the ball these last

2349
01:52:36,218 --> 01:52:39,458
Speaker 3: few drafts outside of the running back position and maybe

2350
01:52:39,537 --> 01:52:43,257
Speaker 3: tight end, which are two positions Patriots could maybe addressed,

2351
01:52:43,258 --> 01:52:45,977
Speaker 3: but later on, like you don't have that depth at

2352
01:52:45,978 --> 01:52:48,338
Speaker 3: wide receiver. You don't have that depth to tackle this

2353
01:52:48,657 --> 01:52:55,697
Speaker 3: edge class, loaded, loaded linebacker class, very good, the cornerback class.

2354
01:52:56,058 --> 01:52:58,817
Speaker 3: There's a lot of underclassmen. So I'm hesitant to say

2355
01:52:58,857 --> 01:53:00,497
Speaker 3: it's gonna be deep yet, but like it could be.

2356
01:53:00,737 --> 01:53:02,298
Speaker 3: It very well could be. And I think some of

2357
01:53:02,338 --> 01:53:04,218
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna come out because they're gonna see

2358
01:53:04,218 --> 01:53:11,617
Speaker 3: that opportunity you if they add the veteran receiver with you,

2359
01:53:11,737 --> 01:53:14,418
Speaker 3: But like if not, I just you're gonna be able

2360
01:53:14,458 --> 01:53:16,817
Speaker 3: to get quality defensive players later then you're gonna be

2361
01:53:16,817 --> 01:53:18,617
Speaker 3: able to at quality offensive players in the draft. It

2362
01:53:18,697 --> 01:53:22,098
Speaker 3: looks like so they need volume. Wise, they need to

2363
01:53:22,138 --> 01:53:25,777
Speaker 3: address defense in this draft when we're talking about the

2364
01:53:25,857 --> 01:53:28,497
Speaker 3: top if they don't add a veteran receiver has to

2365
01:53:28,537 --> 01:53:31,857
Speaker 3: be teed. McMillan, you talk, so not to cut you off,

2366
01:53:31,937 --> 01:53:35,097
Speaker 3: but just I think this is related tech mcmilliner.

2367
01:53:35,178 --> 01:53:37,458
Speaker 2: Tackle. Yeah. So the other thing that we talked about

2368
01:53:37,458 --> 01:53:39,458
Speaker 2: the other day on PU which I think is a possibility.

2369
01:53:40,058 --> 01:53:41,458
Speaker 2: A lot of the time when you look at the

2370
01:53:41,537 --> 01:53:46,697
Speaker 2: league free agency, defensive guys do hit free agency quite frequently.

2371
01:53:47,178 --> 01:53:51,617
Speaker 2: So there's some corners, especially, uh, you know, DJ Reed,

2372
01:53:51,737 --> 01:53:55,018
Speaker 2: Tavarious Ward, Uh, you know guys that Carlton Davis is

2373
01:53:55,058 --> 01:53:57,338
Speaker 2: going to be a free agent, Guys that can are

2374
01:53:57,458 --> 01:53:59,977
Speaker 2: are good corners in the league that are gonna be

2375
01:54:00,018 --> 01:54:03,577
Speaker 2: coming up on the market. If they're gonna do if

2376
01:54:03,617 --> 01:54:06,058
Speaker 2: they're really like if you really think wide receiver is

2377
01:54:06,218 --> 01:54:07,777
Speaker 2: that they need to hit that and they need to

2378
01:54:07,857 --> 01:54:10,058
Speaker 2: hit tackle one and two in the draft and have

2379
01:54:10,138 --> 01:54:13,657
Speaker 2: another top heavy at least offensive draft, Well, then you

2380
01:54:13,777 --> 01:54:16,258
Speaker 2: have you have to fill it in another way, right,

2381
01:54:16,537 --> 01:54:19,218
Speaker 2: So then then it becomes free agency becomes when you

2382
01:54:19,298 --> 01:54:21,977
Speaker 2: add defense, right, But one of these ways whichever And

2383
01:54:22,058 --> 01:54:25,137
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a conversation at some point, probably soon

2384
01:54:25,418 --> 01:54:28,057
Speaker 2: and go down this rabbit hole of which path is better.

2385
01:54:28,458 --> 01:54:30,937
Speaker 2: But it's either you got to put all your sources

2386
01:54:30,978 --> 01:54:33,338
Speaker 2: into the offense and free agency and all of them

2387
01:54:33,378 --> 01:54:35,418
Speaker 2: into defense in the draft or vice versa. I don't

2388
01:54:35,418 --> 01:54:37,897
Speaker 2: think that's true. I think you can mix and match it.

2389
01:54:38,418 --> 01:54:42,937
Speaker 3: You could sign or trade for a receiver, draft to

2390
01:54:43,018 --> 01:54:45,738
Speaker 3: tackle at the top of the draft, sign one of

2391
01:54:45,778 --> 01:54:49,218
Speaker 3: those corners, draft against really good edge draft. I can't

2392
01:54:49,258 --> 01:54:52,658
Speaker 3: stress that enough. Sign a pass but sign a sign

2393
01:54:52,698 --> 01:54:55,137
Speaker 3: a corner. Draft a pass rusher in the second round.

2394
01:54:55,338 --> 01:54:57,937
Speaker 2: On day two of the draft. That realistically just based

2395
01:54:57,978 --> 01:55:01,058
Speaker 2: off of just trendons, like you might get like a

2396
01:55:01,138 --> 01:55:03,818
Speaker 2: Joshua j type who's like a really good pass rusher

2397
01:55:03,937 --> 01:55:07,138
Speaker 2: on third down. But my feeling is is that they

2398
01:55:07,298 --> 01:55:09,498
Speaker 2: on defense they might need a three day player.

2399
01:55:09,618 --> 01:55:12,698
Speaker 3: There are some for this draft specifically, I get what

2400
01:55:12,698 --> 01:55:15,418
Speaker 3: you're saying. Yeah, for this draft specifically, I think there

2401
01:55:15,418 --> 01:55:20,017
Speaker 3: are some potential, uh primary pass rushers that you're gonna

2402
01:55:20,018 --> 01:55:21,618
Speaker 3: think about where they're gonna be picking on day two.

2403
01:55:21,818 --> 01:55:25,378
Speaker 3: We're not talking about picking the forties right and the

2404
01:55:25,458 --> 01:55:28,858
Speaker 3: board will change. But the Ohio State guys Jack Sawyer,

2405
01:55:29,138 --> 01:55:32,297
Speaker 3: three down player out of o High State currently projected

2406
01:55:32,378 --> 01:55:35,097
Speaker 3: like a top forty kind of player. There's a little

2407
01:55:35,098 --> 01:55:37,138
Speaker 3: bit higher. He's probably gonna be first round pick. But

2408
01:55:37,138 --> 01:55:42,978
Speaker 3: like Nick Gordon, three down player, the teel Maul Muluau,

2409
01:55:43,058 --> 01:55:44,738
Speaker 3: I think it is from the other High state guys

2410
01:55:44,778 --> 01:55:48,738
Speaker 3: three down play. They can get that three down I

2411
01:55:48,778 --> 01:55:52,218
Speaker 3: don't know that you're gonna get Miles Garrett, but can

2412
01:55:52,298 --> 01:55:54,178
Speaker 3: you get a guy who can be your primary pass

2413
01:55:54,338 --> 01:55:56,738
Speaker 3: rusher and be a three down player at that stage

2414
01:55:56,778 --> 01:56:00,538
Speaker 3: in the draft. I think it's possible. It's very possible. Cornerback,

2415
01:56:00,978 --> 01:56:02,818
Speaker 3: same way. Again, we'll see how many of these younger

2416
01:56:02,858 --> 01:56:05,458
Speaker 3: guys come out. It's a younger group, but you know,

2417
01:56:05,538 --> 01:56:07,778
Speaker 3: if more guys go to the draft, I'm really interested

2418
01:56:07,858 --> 01:56:09,818
Speaker 3: to see what the book ends up being on the

2419
01:56:09,897 --> 01:56:14,298
Speaker 3: Ohio State guys. So, Denzel Burke was a projected top

2420
01:56:14,378 --> 01:56:16,498
Speaker 3: ten pick for a long time. He has had a

2421
01:56:16,618 --> 01:56:20,738
Speaker 3: rough season. He has had a rough season. David Igbanoz

2422
01:56:20,778 --> 01:56:23,137
Speaker 3: in the other corner kind of same thing. Fringy first

2423
01:56:23,218 --> 01:56:25,698
Speaker 3: round guy. Now people are saying more that, you know,

2424
01:56:25,858 --> 01:56:29,017
Speaker 3: fifty to seventy five range, it's gonna be there's always

2425
01:56:29,058 --> 01:56:31,977
Speaker 3: these guys right where you look at the tape, you're

2426
01:56:31,978 --> 01:56:34,137
Speaker 3: gonna have I'm gonna have to remind you watch Denzel

2427
01:56:34,178 --> 01:56:36,458
Speaker 3: Burke in twenty twenty two, don't just watch Denzel Burke

2428
01:56:36,498 --> 01:56:38,977
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Yeah, And where does that come down?

2429
01:56:39,018 --> 01:56:40,738
Speaker 3: If they see him in twenty two and they say

2430
01:56:41,018 --> 01:56:42,937
Speaker 3: he had a down year last year for whatever reason,

2431
01:56:43,458 --> 01:56:46,097
Speaker 3: you get a potential like he certainly has the ceiling

2432
01:56:46,418 --> 01:56:49,017
Speaker 3: to be a guy that can be legitimate option opposite

2433
01:56:49,058 --> 01:56:51,338
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez. It's just where do you think he's at

2434
01:56:51,378 --> 01:56:52,378
Speaker 3: from last year to this year?

2435
01:56:52,538 --> 01:56:55,338
Speaker 2: Fair enough? I just look at it, and you know,

2436
01:56:55,538 --> 01:56:59,017
Speaker 2: the more that I watched this team unfold this season,

2437
01:56:59,378 --> 01:57:00,897
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of this and I'm not

2438
01:57:00,978 --> 01:57:03,178
Speaker 2: trying to make it harder on him than it already is.

2439
01:57:03,258 --> 01:57:05,378
Speaker 2: I'm really not. But a lot of this just stems

2440
01:57:05,418 --> 01:57:07,018
Speaker 2: from the fact that I think Drake May is just

2441
01:57:07,098 --> 01:57:08,698
Speaker 2: awesome and it is gonna make a lot of the

2442
01:57:08,778 --> 01:57:12,618
Speaker 2: offense go okay, but let me finish. Yeah. The more

2443
01:57:12,698 --> 01:57:16,057
Speaker 2: I watch the team, though, the more I look at

2444
01:57:16,138 --> 01:57:18,778
Speaker 2: the defense being the bigger problem right now than the

2445
01:57:18,858 --> 01:57:21,858
Speaker 2: offense right Like, it just it's very clear to me

2446
01:57:22,098 --> 01:57:25,338
Speaker 2: that the defense is the unit that's going backwards. The

2447
01:57:25,378 --> 01:57:27,658
Speaker 2: offense is at least on this steady climb up and

2448
01:57:27,738 --> 01:57:29,897
Speaker 2: a lot of that is like probably ninety percent of

2449
01:57:30,018 --> 01:57:32,218
Speaker 2: that is rake. But like, at least we see some

2450
01:57:32,618 --> 01:57:34,498
Speaker 2: some light at the end of the tunnel for the

2451
01:57:34,618 --> 01:57:37,298
Speaker 2: offense where if you go out and you add a

2452
01:57:37,378 --> 01:57:40,057
Speaker 2: big time playmaker in free agency, you might be done

2453
01:57:40,458 --> 01:57:42,458
Speaker 2: on offense. I still think you need to tackle. You

2454
01:57:42,498 --> 01:57:44,298
Speaker 2: probably still need to tackle, but like, I don't think

2455
01:57:44,338 --> 01:57:48,017
Speaker 2: that that tackle needs to be you know, like Trent

2456
01:57:48,098 --> 01:57:49,937
Speaker 2: Williams right, Like, I think that if you go out

2457
01:57:49,978 --> 01:57:53,658
Speaker 2: and you get a serviceable NFL left tackle, then you'll

2458
01:57:53,778 --> 01:57:56,257
Speaker 2: you'll be fine as an offense. Like I really believe

2459
01:57:56,338 --> 01:57:58,578
Speaker 2: that if you you still got to go out and

2460
01:57:58,658 --> 01:58:01,458
Speaker 2: get the guy right, I'm not saying that. But defensively,

2461
01:58:01,578 --> 01:58:04,097
Speaker 2: I think that they have sort of had needs everywhere

2462
01:58:04,298 --> 01:58:08,378
Speaker 2: on defense all of a sudden. Offensively, I think they

2463
01:58:08,418 --> 01:58:10,338
Speaker 2: need to tackle help, and I think they need a

2464
01:58:10,458 --> 01:58:12,977
Speaker 2: number one receiver. I think they have a decent two

2465
01:58:13,058 --> 01:58:14,057
Speaker 2: through five in the receiver.

2466
01:58:14,178 --> 01:58:16,418
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Like, if they add the left tackle

2467
01:58:16,858 --> 01:58:18,378
Speaker 3: we're talking about just this year, they need like they

2468
01:58:18,418 --> 01:58:20,378
Speaker 3: need a project tight end, they need to develop mental

2469
01:58:20,458 --> 01:58:23,378
Speaker 3: center play. If you add the tackle, if you add

2470
01:58:23,418 --> 01:58:26,698
Speaker 3: the receiver. You're kind of banking on Caden Wallas showing up.

2471
01:58:26,698 --> 01:58:28,138
Speaker 3: We haven't gotten to see much of him this year,

2472
01:58:28,178 --> 01:58:31,658
Speaker 3: but like that's group. I just wouldn't I worry that

2473
01:58:31,698 --> 01:58:34,137
Speaker 3: they're gonna look at it and say, Drake mays good,

2474
01:58:34,178 --> 01:58:34,618
Speaker 3: we're done.

2475
01:58:34,698 --> 01:58:35,618
Speaker 2: Let's work on the defense.

2476
01:58:35,698 --> 01:58:38,338
Speaker 3: Like you can't do that, you need This is learning

2477
01:58:38,418 --> 01:58:41,178
Speaker 3: lessons from the mac Jones Erra. Right, Yeah, go get

2478
01:58:41,298 --> 01:58:45,418
Speaker 3: the kid the receiver. That has to happen, and you

2479
01:58:45,578 --> 01:58:47,738
Speaker 3: have to make sure his blind side is protected. It's

2480
01:58:48,018 --> 01:58:50,858
Speaker 3: a volume thing on defense. It's a it's a quality

2481
01:58:50,897 --> 01:58:53,097
Speaker 3: thing on offense. It's a quantity thing on defense.

2482
01:58:53,218 --> 01:58:54,658
Speaker 2: So my last thing on this and then we got

2483
01:58:54,738 --> 01:58:58,258
Speaker 2: a wrap. Yeah, I feel like we always get caught

2484
01:58:58,498 --> 01:59:00,298
Speaker 2: and I'm not just like, I'm not saying you, I'm

2485
01:59:00,338 --> 01:59:03,138
Speaker 2: just saying this is a general I feel like we

2486
01:59:03,298 --> 01:59:05,818
Speaker 2: always get caught in thinking the best the way to

2487
01:59:05,858 --> 01:59:08,458
Speaker 2: support the quarterback is to get him receivers, get him

2488
01:59:08,778 --> 01:59:12,258
Speaker 2: offensive line, build up the offense. It also doesn't hurt

2489
01:59:12,298 --> 01:59:14,057
Speaker 2: to make sure that the defense isn't given up thirty.

2490
01:59:14,098 --> 01:59:16,578
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt, right, Like if he has to go

2491
01:59:16,658 --> 01:59:18,538
Speaker 2: out there and he has to score twenty four a

2492
01:59:18,658 --> 01:59:22,818
Speaker 2: game to win ten games. Then that also helps a lot.

2493
01:59:22,978 --> 01:59:24,977
Speaker 2: Like you look at what Kansas City is doing right,

2494
01:59:25,058 --> 01:59:27,698
Speaker 2: Like they're nine to one because Patrick Mahomes has to

2495
01:59:27,778 --> 01:59:29,578
Speaker 2: make like two plays at the end of the game

2496
01:59:29,658 --> 01:59:31,977
Speaker 2: to win them half of these games like that, that's

2497
01:59:32,018 --> 01:59:34,977
Speaker 2: how they've gotten here. So it doesn't hurt to have

2498
01:59:35,098 --> 01:59:37,458
Speaker 2: a good defense too. Like that helps a young quarterback

2499
01:59:37,498 --> 01:59:38,937
Speaker 2: as well, when he doesn't have to go out there

2500
01:59:38,978 --> 01:59:41,017
Speaker 2: and score thirty five to win the football. It does.

2501
01:59:41,098 --> 01:59:42,578
Speaker 2: And look, you know me, I'm the defense guy. Like

2502
01:59:42,618 --> 01:59:44,897
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent with you on that, but normally

2503
01:59:44,978 --> 01:59:46,858
Speaker 2: I'm the offensive guys. Right, you know, we've kind of

2504
01:59:46,858 --> 01:59:49,538
Speaker 2: flipped here. I would just say, like, because the defense

2505
01:59:49,618 --> 01:59:53,097
Speaker 2: just doesn't stop anybody younger quarterback, younger quarterback, you want

2506
01:59:53,138 --> 01:59:57,058
Speaker 2: to give him the pieces to absolute absolutely. I just

2507
01:59:57,098 --> 01:59:59,097
Speaker 2: think that there are a couple of pieces away on offense.

2508
01:59:59,138 --> 02:00:01,818
Speaker 2: I think defensively is starting to get a little bit tenuous.

2509
02:00:01,897 --> 02:00:05,018
Speaker 2: That's all really quickly, and then we really do have

2510
02:00:05,138 --> 02:00:08,538
Speaker 2: to wrap. We talked to little Dolphins. I don't love

2511
02:00:08,618 --> 02:00:11,338
Speaker 2: this matchup on the on paper for the Patriots this week.

2512
02:00:11,937 --> 02:00:14,298
Speaker 2: Not only is Miami just not a great place for

2513
02:00:14,378 --> 02:00:17,418
Speaker 2: them normally, but I just don't really see a path

2514
02:00:18,138 --> 02:00:22,498
Speaker 2: for them to a stop the Dolphins offense consistently and

2515
02:00:22,578 --> 02:00:26,378
Speaker 2: then be outscore the Dolphins offense the other side of

2516
02:00:26,418 --> 02:00:30,057
Speaker 2: the football. I'm trying to find a path for victory

2517
02:00:30,138 --> 02:00:32,618
Speaker 2: in this game. I do every week, I even if

2518
02:00:32,698 --> 02:00:34,977
Speaker 2: for three and eight, right, And I'm gonna try to

2519
02:00:35,058 --> 02:00:37,698
Speaker 2: talk myself into this is how they can win this game.

2520
02:00:38,138 --> 02:00:39,937
Speaker 2: The only way that I see that they can win

2521
02:00:40,058 --> 02:00:42,698
Speaker 2: this game is they have to play one of those

2522
02:00:43,298 --> 02:00:47,218
Speaker 2: clean time of possession type of games. Like it's gonna

2523
02:00:47,258 --> 02:00:49,778
Speaker 2: have to be they did that last week. It's gonna happen.

2524
02:00:49,897 --> 02:00:52,977
Speaker 2: I know, it's gonna have to be boring, right, Like

2525
02:00:53,138 --> 02:00:56,618
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be twenty to seventeen or seventeen

2526
02:00:56,738 --> 02:00:59,778
Speaker 2: fourteen or something along those lines. And uh, that's not

2527
02:01:00,258 --> 02:01:03,177
Speaker 2: the thirty five to thirty shootout that we all would

2528
02:01:03,418 --> 02:01:05,458
Speaker 2: kind of like to see, I would assume with Drake May.

2529
02:01:05,578 --> 02:01:07,618
Speaker 2: But that's where I'm sort of at with this game.

2530
02:01:07,818 --> 02:01:11,298
Speaker 2: What's your statement on Jersey Mikes. So this is my

2531
02:01:11,418 --> 02:01:15,977
Speaker 2: statement on Jersey Mikes. My fear with the great Jersey

2532
02:01:16,058 --> 02:01:19,458
Speaker 2: Mikes is that you're no longer gonna be a sub above.

2533
02:01:20,138 --> 02:01:22,858
Speaker 2: You're gonna just be like every other sub. You are

2534
02:01:22,978 --> 02:01:26,538
Speaker 2: just gonna be a sub. The reason why I love

2535
02:01:26,658 --> 02:01:31,177
Speaker 2: Jersey Mikes is because Jersey Mikes has a sub above

2536
02:01:31,458 --> 02:01:36,858
Speaker 2: the rest. Okay, this is gonna be corporate America for them.

2537
02:01:37,658 --> 02:01:41,658
Speaker 2: Corporate America here we come right, Here comes the hedge fund,

2538
02:01:41,818 --> 02:01:47,937
Speaker 2: here comes the freaking capitalism people to ruin my sandwich chain,

2539
02:01:48,098 --> 02:01:51,618
Speaker 2: and I am very upset a Kramer and buy yourself

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Speaker 2: a meat slicer Deli slicer Ma because they're I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: slice my arm off, Alex. That's really that's a really

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Speaker 2: hard to use. They're not easy. They're not as hard

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Speaker 2: to use. All I'm saying to you to whoever bought

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Speaker 2: Jersey Mikes, do not ruin the product. That's what corporate

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Speaker 2: America does. You come in, you ruin the product. Equity

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Speaker 2: firm Blackstone.

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Speaker 3: That sounds horrible, Okay, but wait, are they the ones

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Speaker 3: behind Blackstone grills?

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Speaker 2: Because if they are, they know food? Because those black

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Speaker 2: I am very upsets called Blackstone. What's that girl called?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about? So like the Flatsop,

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Speaker 2: those things are the other thing about Jersey Mikes that

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Speaker 2: that I I I yeah, Blackstone grill, those things. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The other thing about jerseys is that this is I

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Speaker 2: didn't expect to do that whole philosophical thing. I thought

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Speaker 2: you were just gonna do this part. This is a

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Speaker 2: this is the first world problem, I fully admit. But

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Speaker 2: I travel a lot for work, right, So I'm in

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Speaker 2: different cities. I'm popping around a lot during football season,

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Speaker 2: and I can always count on whether I'm here, whether

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Speaker 2: I'm in Miami, whether I'm in Chicago, whether I'm in Arizona,

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Speaker 2: whether I'm in Buffalo, wherever i am in the country,

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Speaker 2: I can get a jersey Mikes number seven and have

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Speaker 2: and know what I'm getting myself into, right, And that

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Speaker 2: is very key for me. I'm a I'm a person,

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02:03:06,498 --> 02:03:09,298
Speaker 2: I'm a creature of habit and the fact that I

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02:03:09,458 --> 02:03:12,778
Speaker 2: might have to now figure out a different subplace to

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Speaker 2: get my sandwich from for game day that really has

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Speaker 2: me stressed out. Alex. I'm not gonna lie it's stressing

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Speaker 2: me out. I'm sure you'll find another sandwich. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if I'm going to. I think I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: You just can not eat on game days. I didn't

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Speaker 2: say that. I just said that now I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to go local, and then I'm gonna have to like

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Speaker 2: Google in which places are always like I love good

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Speaker 2: local sandwich place. There's one sandwich place, local sub pizza

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02:03:33,937 --> 02:03:37,738
Speaker 2: place usually, so I agree, Like we're big good good

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Speaker 2: food store people are probably gonna go tomorrow. But like

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Speaker 2: I know about good food store because I live here, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: how am I going to find the local sub establishment

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo, New York? Like maybe my people, my friends

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo can help me out with Maybe this becomes

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Speaker 2: a thing.

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Speaker 3: Maybe on on social media each week you are on

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Speaker 3: the road, like where should I get my sandwich?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is gonna be brutal because they're gonna

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Speaker 2: ruin Jersey mice so tough. I hate it. I hate

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Speaker 2: I hate corporate America. Sometimes speaking of America, Massachusetts is

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Speaker 2: made for everyone, for leaf peepers, corn maze strollers. That's

2590
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Speaker 2: just such an amazing transition. I'm sorry, I have to

2591
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Speaker 2: do the read. Do the read. Massachusetts is made for everyone,

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Speaker 2: for leaf peepers, corn maze strollers, were gotta lovers, pumpkin pickers,

2593
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Speaker 2: and anyone else you can think of. Come where there's

2594
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Speaker 2: something for I still think you're gonna to have macro

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Speaker 2: with it, like I just thought you were gonna do things. Massachusetts,

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