WEBVTT - Theater Camp

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women

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<v Speaker 1>and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zeph and

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<v Speaker 1>bast start changing it with the Bechdelcast podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't home? But is it? Kind of? I think it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of is. I think it's so fascinating that you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to engage with musical theater only ironically. Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that you're going to be an honorary theater

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<v Speaker 2>kid today.

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<v Speaker 3>Look I went, I crossed a sea and ocean to

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<v Speaker 3>go see musical theater. It was Paddington the Musical.

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<v Speaker 2>True's but I loved it. I know, I know. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>You ever listen to the soundtrack? Yes, I've been anytime

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<v Speaker 3>I go on a walk, I've been listening to it

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<v Speaker 3>and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Songs of the Bank, but the bangers tell us.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say the best song is probably pretty Little

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<v Speaker 3>Dead Things. That's the villain song. Whoa rhythm of London

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<v Speaker 3>is amazing, Don't touch that is amazing. Marmalade obviously, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a song called Marmalade and it slaps, explore and the

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<v Speaker 3>bear honestly, like hard Stare, there isn't a week song

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<v Speaker 3>in the entire production. It's top to bottom incredible. Highly

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<v Speaker 3>recommend everyone listen to the Paddington the Musical soundtrack. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not just saying that because I love Paddington. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>legitimately so good. I love musical theater.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out I cannot wait for there to be

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<v Speaker 2>a Tory production. I mean, I'm sure tickets will be

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<v Speaker 2>in wildly high demand, but I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I would spend many dollars and travel great distances to

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<v Speaker 3>see it again. Anyway, Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bechdel.

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<v Speaker 2>Camp, Oh my god. Yeah. Do you think people would go? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it would just be us criticizing the elements of the

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<v Speaker 2>camp to be like, actually this sucks. I no, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think the Bechtel Camp would be really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be like this camp, very queer and very

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<v Speaker 2>loud and very dramatic. Yeah, yeah, no, I think people

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<v Speaker 2>would attend. I think we should do it absolutely and

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<v Speaker 2>see you this summer. Bitches.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm I'm camp counselor Caitlyn Dorante.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are you, Jamie, Oh, I'm janitor Jamie who ends

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<v Speaker 2>up actually stealing the show at the end of the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>just like Ben Platt's husband. And that is how I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be referring to him throughout.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, amazing. Anyway, this is the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 3>We examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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<v Speaker 3>Bechdel Test simply as a jumping off point. And what

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<v Speaker 3>is that tell Jamie.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you. It is a media metric created

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<v Speaker 2>by queer cartoonist and presumably owner of the Bechdel Camp,

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Bechdel.

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<v Speaker 3>She's an investor. Yeah, she's an angel investor.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it's one of the Patty Harrison's of

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<v Speaker 2>the camp. And it's a media metric that she wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in a comic that has since been adapted to a

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<v Speaker 2>more mainstream way. Our version of the test requires that

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<v Speaker 2>there be two characters of a marginalized gender with names

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<v Speaker 2>who speak to each other about something other than a

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<v Speaker 2>man for more than two lines of meaningful dialogue. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it happens in this movie. It happens in this movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also not I think this movie is interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to me because it sort of reminds me of the

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<v Speaker 2>Fire Island discourse around the Bechdel test where this movie

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't pass the Bechdel test a ton but in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that is a great example of why it is

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<v Speaker 2>just a jumping off point for discussion totally where I

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<v Speaker 2>do remember that there was I mean, if you recall

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago, there was like one bad

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<v Speaker 2>faith actor online who is like Fire Island, a movie

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<v Speaker 2>famously about gay men on Fire Island doesn't pass the

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<v Speaker 2>Bechdel test. How am I supposed to respect this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And at this point, it's like we're urging you to

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<v Speaker 2>get over yourself and take a step back and look

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<v Speaker 2>at the forest and not just this tree or angry

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<v Speaker 2>at Anyways, I'm so excited to discuss this movie today.

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<v Speaker 2>Theater Camp twenty twenty three. Kind of some Nepo baby

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<v Speaker 2>excellence afoot here. Sure throw a rock and you've got

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<v Speaker 2>someone with Broadway producer parents, and yet it is just

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<v Speaker 2>like genuinely a really good movie and a movie that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, even though it it made more money

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<v Speaker 2>at the box office than I thought it had. It

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<v Speaker 2>made like four point six million, but I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it was a movie that was kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>am I I'm thinking knee capped, knee capped. That feels

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<v Speaker 2>too dramatic. I'm thinking of what happened to Tanya Harding.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like a phrase, my brain is not oh. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it was held back. It was held back by

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it was released and would have been

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<v Speaker 2>promoted largely during the SAG and WGA strikes of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, which is part of way I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>this there wasn't more noise made about this movie is

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<v Speaker 2>because the creators and the actors were not going to

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<v Speaker 2>cross a picket line to do so. Sure so, Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this movie didn't really get as big

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<v Speaker 2>of an audience or buzz as it deserved. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but today that changes. Today they're getting the Bechdel cast bump.

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<v Speaker 2>And what an important and influential bump it is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so true. I did see this movie in theaters.

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<v Speaker 3>I was one of the few. I saw a trailer

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<v Speaker 3>for it, and I was like, this seems so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like a great cast. I love a mockumentary,

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<v Speaker 3>and it got my butt in the seat and it

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<v Speaker 3>did not disappoint. I loved it. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>so funny. I am not nor have I ever been

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<v Speaker 3>a theater kid myself, but you don't need to have

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<v Speaker 3>that experience to enjoy this movie because it's so funny,

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<v Speaker 3>it's very heartfelt. The themes resonate with me because capitalism

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<v Speaker 3>is the enemy and community is the hero of the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I saw it in theaters, but I haven't I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't watch it since, so it was a joy to

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<v Speaker 3>revisit it. And because I barely have a functioning memory anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of like watching it for the first

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<v Speaker 3>time prep for this episode, and yeah, it was. It

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<v Speaker 3>was such a treat to rewatch. So, Jamie, what's your

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<v Speaker 3>history with it? And I was also curious if you've

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<v Speaker 3>ever been to summer camp before? Oh have you?

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<v Speaker 2>I did go to.

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<v Speaker 3>Girl Scout Camp nice, but it was it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>a long term camp. It was like it was sleep

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<v Speaker 3>away camp for like four days for five days kind

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<v Speaker 3>of thing. So it wasn't like a week's long thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did that. We've got to bring back Girl

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<v Speaker 2>Scout cinema. Yeah, I feel like there was a moment

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighties and nineties. I mean, obviously Troop Beverly

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<v Speaker 2>Hills was that it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there was a more recent one called I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Called Troops zero. Is that the name?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, another movie that I feel like wasn't really given

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<v Speaker 2>a proper promotional push.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I don't think it had a theatrical release,

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<v Speaker 3>or if it did, it was like pretty sparse. But

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was maybe like a straight to streaming

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah movie, I didn't see it. But yeah, there's only

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<v Speaker 3>a small handful of Girl Scout movies, and there should

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<v Speaker 3>be more, but there's no shortage of set. This is

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first theater camp. I mean, this movie

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<v Speaker 3>shares so much DNA with one of my favorite mockumentaries

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<v Speaker 3>ever and one that innovated the form, Waiting for Guffman,

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<v Speaker 3>which we will be covering at some point. Obviously, the

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<v Speaker 3>filmmakers here, our Christopher guest fans are not.

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<v Speaker 2>Shy about that, nor should they be. He's amazing, So Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>My history with this movie is that, in spite of

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<v Speaker 2>it being a movie that is ostensibly made for me

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<v Speaker 2>to watch, I hadn't seen it. I don't remember why

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<v Speaker 2>Sumber twenty twenty three was chaotic. I was on tour

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<v Speaker 2>and then I was in the most toxic relationship of

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<v Speaker 2>my life, and then my dad got cancer. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think like in somewhere in the somewhere in there, I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't see theater camp Fair, but maybe it would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe my father would be here today if I had.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll never know. Oh well, well, ever, no, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we will never know. Cinema heels, but it's too late.

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<v Speaker 2>I am in like a wild mood today. Okay, So no,

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen it before, but I knew I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna love it, and I did love it. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>fan of I mean this is I did call them

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<v Speaker 2>nepo babies, which is not a slur, it is true.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm a fan of, like truly everybody involved in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. Molly Gordon is amazing. I think Ben Platt

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<v Speaker 2>rips and I kind of don't know who that is

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<v Speaker 2>aside from the context of this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I know he really, I know he's someone I

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<v Speaker 3>should know. I know that dear Evan Hansen is a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ben Platt is a the star of the stage

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<v Speaker 2>and screen, but I think better known for the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the sun, and as is Molly Gordon. They're

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<v Speaker 2>both children of tremendously successful theater producers who actually at

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<v Speaker 2>theater camp, at a bougie theater camp when they were children.

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<v Speaker 2>So the pictures that you're seeing of them are real,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not photoshopped. But yeah. Ben Platt is best known

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<v Speaker 2>for starring in Dear Evan and Hansen, and also starring

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<v Speaker 2>in the rather unfortunate theatrical adaptation of Dear Evan Hansen,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the great Whig crimes of our age.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough has been said about that I will not add

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<v Speaker 2>but Ben Platt. Yeah, he's the son of Mark Platt,

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<v Speaker 2>who I think most famously produced Wicked and also famously

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<v Speaker 2>is a huge Zionist, which Ben Platt is not, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're breaking generational curses. Ben Platt, I have only I

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<v Speaker 2>mean little Hollywood insider stuff. I've just only heard the

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<v Speaker 2>nicest things about him, and that he's like a terrific

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<v Speaker 2>and thoughtful person. There's a story I heard, I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>more than once about Ben Platt and his husband, who

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<v Speaker 2>also appears in this and also played Evan Hansen on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the first two Evan Hanson's and then they

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<v Speaker 2>got married. Wow. Now, if that's not a Broadway story

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<v Speaker 2>to Evan Hanson's getting married. Tell me what is? Tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what is? You literally can't, but I it's this

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<v Speaker 2>like lovely story that I've heard many times about. I

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<v Speaker 2>forget who it is. It's like someone I know. Sorry

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm putting them on blast. But they got very

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<v Speaker 2>drunk at a party and were kind of stumbling home

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<v Speaker 2>and on the streets of New York came across Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Platt and his husband, which she doesn't remember. And Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Platt and his husband Noah Galvin, let's say, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>terrific in the movie as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, also one of the screenwriters, Yes yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Along with a third NEPO baby. A third NEPO Baby

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<v Speaker 2>has hit the production team of Theater Camp. But but

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<v Speaker 2>the two the Evan Hanson's too not just got her

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<v Speaker 2>into an uber and made sure that she made it

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<v Speaker 2>home safely. But when she woke up there was a

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<v Speaker 2>care package from them. I guess she had drunkenly given

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<v Speaker 2>them her phone number and they called her to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that she was okay. And that was how she

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<v Speaker 2>learned that Ben Platt had gotten her home the previous night.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, And I was just so I think of

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<v Speaker 2>that story. That is just so wholesome. I hope that

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<v Speaker 2>there's not something about Ben Platt that I'm missing because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really singing his praises. But he got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of heat for being in the bed Evan Hansen movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just he's also in the Pitch Perfect movies,

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<v Speaker 2>which I totally forgot. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 2>think he's delightful. He's one of our seminal Broadway stars.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's like one of the millennial Broadway stars.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Molly Gordon also fantastic. I know she had

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<v Speaker 2>done she like her parents are movie and theater producers.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd been off Broadway before I saw her another movie

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<v Speaker 2>she co wrote and starred in last year called Oh Hi, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that on a plane recently, in fact, on

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<v Speaker 3>the plane ride to London to see Paddington the Musical.

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<v Speaker 2>And also Caitlin, I can't believe you didn't leave with

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<v Speaker 2>this because you've seen it and I haven't. She's in

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<v Speaker 2>The Sheep Detectives. She sure is.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, the Gordon of Sheep Detectives fame.

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<v Speaker 2>Even know she was in the Oh my God. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that's what she's most famous to be for. But she's

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<v Speaker 2>also in BookSmart, Shiva Baby the Bear like Romie. She's

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<v Speaker 2>been in so much and she's also a great writer director.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the exact kind of movie that like never

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<v Speaker 2>gets made, and I like when Nepa babies use their

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<v Speaker 2>powers for good and get a cool movie made. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>I did go to summer camp and I did go

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<v Speaker 2>to theater camp, but they were not necessarily the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a community theater like summer program, just

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<v Speaker 2>like in my hometown. It was just like a day program.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so not like a sleep away camp.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I did go to a sleep away camp, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was religious. My theater camp was in my hometown

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like it was called Act one, Scene

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<v Speaker 2>one in Brockton, Massachusetts. I did it, I think three

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<v Speaker 2>or four times, and it was really fun. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't afford what happens in this movie, but we had

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<v Speaker 2>We had a nice time. And the I mean, regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of what class you're in, the dynamics of a theater

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<v Speaker 2>camp are pretty much always the same from what I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell. It's just you can't stop theater children from

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<v Speaker 2>being so loud and dramatic. They life will find a

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<v Speaker 2>way regardless. I have like a very clear memory because

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was like never, I was always a

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<v Speaker 2>chorus girl in theater camp. And then once I got

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<v Speaker 2>out of musical theater because I am not a good singer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true. I love voice, thank you. I wasn't clearing,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't clear. But yeah I did high school. I

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<v Speaker 2>did like high school drama, cob and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my sleep away camp was in New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>My cousin and I got a scholarship to go twice. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like this, like Jesus Horse camp.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I remember you've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, so different experience. I wish I had gone

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<v Speaker 2>to a theater camp. I also went to band camp.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to sleep away band camp.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, missus Obo, missus Obo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you know, like many children, my parents did

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<v Speaker 2>not want me around in the summer and would apply

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<v Speaker 2>to various scholarships so I wouldn't have to be But

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<v Speaker 2>this is like this, I feel like Presents. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>like it's based on the experiences of the filmmakers, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is like the dream. This is the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>theater camp that I feel like every theater kid wants

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's beautiful, it's scenic.

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<v Speaker 3>Seems like good vibes all around.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone who's been there has been there for since time immemorial.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's just awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 3>come back for the recap. Okay, So here's the story

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<v Speaker 3>of theater camp. We meet Joan Rubinski played by Amy Sidaris.

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<v Speaker 2>Love her. I love to start on an Amy like

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<v Speaker 2>you just I just didn't see her coming. She's there barely.

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<v Speaker 2>But and then I was like, wait, how did I

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<v Speaker 2>not know she's in this? And the answer is because

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of isn't right. She worked for two days.

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<v Speaker 3>Because what happens is she runs a summer theater camp

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<v Speaker 3>for kids called adirond Acts get it swish.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the puns in this movie. There's so many.

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<v Speaker 3>She and her colleague re To Cohen played by Caroline

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron are trying to recruit kids and raise money for

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<v Speaker 3>the camp for the upcoming summer, but in a middle

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<v Speaker 3>school production of Bye by Bertie, Joan suffers a strobe

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<v Speaker 3>light related seizure and ends up in a coma. You

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<v Speaker 3>hate to see it, You hate to see it. So

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<v Speaker 3>now Joan's son will take over running the camp. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Troy Rubinski played by Jimmy Tautro, who I most

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<v Speaker 3>recognized from American Vandal. Did you watch that show?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I did. Yeah, he's been in a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I throw back because I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that was almost ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>That's scary really, oh my gosh, twenty eighteen lies. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>he is super broy like crypto bro kind of guy,

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<v Speaker 3>not a theater kid type at all, so he's very

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<v Speaker 3>out of place in this role of running this theater camp.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone else starts Arriving at the camp for the summer,

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<v Speaker 3>we meet a couple of the teachers best friends, Rebecca

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<v Speaker 3>Diane played by writer director star Molly Gordon and Amos

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<v Speaker 3>played by Ben Platt, star slash screenwriter. Because the movie

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<v Speaker 3>was co directed by Molly Gordon and Nick Lieberman, who

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<v Speaker 3>also co wrote the screenplay along with Noah Galvin and Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Platt, it kind of reminds me of I and again,

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<v Speaker 2>I will stop sounding the NEPO baby alarm at this point, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does make me it feels very please don't

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<v Speaker 2>destroy that there is a token not NEPO baby, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is Noah Galvin, God it it's the second Evan Hanson,

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<v Speaker 2>right right? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>So, Rebecca, Diane and Amos are head of music and

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<v Speaker 3>head of drama respectively.

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<v Speaker 2>At the camp. They are freaking out about Joan not

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<v Speaker 2>being there.

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<v Speaker 3>They hate her son, Troy, and so do all of

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<v Speaker 3>the campers because again, he is not one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a post boloone fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Rebecca, Diane and Amos announce all the productions that

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<v Speaker 3>will be going up that summer, including an original that

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<v Speaker 3>they will be writing and directing called Joan Still, a

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<v Speaker 3>tribute to their boss Joan. Meanwhile, Troy has fired several

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<v Speaker 3>teachers in an effort to cut costs because his sort

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<v Speaker 3>of journey throughout most of this movie is trying to

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<v Speaker 3>raise funds for the camp, save money, save the camp financially, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's trying to cut costs, so he fires several

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<v Speaker 3>people and then hires someone to replace them. All this

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<v Speaker 3>is Janet, played by friend of the show Iowa Debris,

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<v Speaker 3>whose resume is stacked, but who is clearly lying about

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<v Speaker 3>all of her experience with things like stage combat, accent work, jousting, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is one thing I could want in this

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<v Speaker 2>movie it's more, I know, but I'm assuming she This

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<v Speaker 2>was a year where she had like five hundred movies

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<v Speaker 2>come out, so I'm assuming that there just could be

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<v Speaker 2>more scenes with her. Yeah, they're all very funny, so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>We also meet characters like technical director Glenn played by

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<v Speaker 3>Noah Galvin, costume designer Gigi played by Owen Teal, and

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<v Speaker 3>head of dance Clive played by Nathan Lee Graham.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait really quick, because there's also none of them get

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<v Speaker 2>like extremely characterized. But I really enjoyed the child cast

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<v Speaker 2>of this movie as well. They're just so talented. I

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<v Speaker 2>would watch a spinoff show with just the kids, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but my favorite child and I think it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of the kid in School of Rock

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<v Speaker 2>who is like the costume designer slash It or like

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<v Speaker 2>Miranda Cosgrove in School of Rock. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>School of Rock energy to this movie. But I love Alan,

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<v Speaker 2>who plays the tiny manager or like the tiny agent

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<v Speaker 2>aspiring agent. Yeah, a tiny agent is gonna get me

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<v Speaker 2>every single time. So funny. And he's also the kid

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<v Speaker 2>from Manari.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that character reminded me of the kid in Wet

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<v Speaker 3>Hot American Summer who is always sort of off on

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<v Speaker 3>his own, broadcasting a radio show that's not actually hooked

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<v Speaker 3>up to anything, so he's not broadcasting, but he's like

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<v Speaker 3>talking into a microphone that's not plugged in, just in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense that they're like both like off on their own,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of doing their own thing, not involved with most

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<v Speaker 3>of the other stuff that's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out Alan Kim, Yeah, you're a legend. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>His character I think is Alan Park. So there's him there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this kid, Devin. The joke with him is that

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<v Speaker 3>he's straight, but his.

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<v Speaker 2>He's closeted straight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he's there because his gay dads sent him

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<v Speaker 3>to theater camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Great.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a teenager named Darla who is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>stars of Joan.

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<v Speaker 2>Still. Yeah, there's there's a bunch of great kids in

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<v Speaker 2>the cast. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So then it's time for these kids to audition

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<v Speaker 3>and we get a fun montage, but it's interrupted when

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<v Speaker 3>Caroline Krause played by Patty Harrison, comes in. She's a

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<v Speaker 3>financial consultant there on behalf of Camp Lakeside, a nearby

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<v Speaker 3>camp for super rich kids, and she tells Troy that

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<v Speaker 3>the bank is weeks away from foreclosing on Camp Adirondacks

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<v Speaker 3>because of defaults on mortgage payments, but Caroline thinks they

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<v Speaker 3>can work some de out. But technical director Glenn overhears

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<v Speaker 3>this conversation and tells Troy do not do any deals

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<v Speaker 3>with them. Camp Lakeside is like trying to take this land.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been trying to get this land for years. All

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<v Speaker 3>this to say the stakes are high for Camp Adirondacks. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>the counselors deliberate on which kids to cast in which roles.

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<v Speaker 3>The cast lists are posted and there's a mad scramble

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<v Speaker 3>to see who got which part. Some kids are happy,

0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:40.199
<v Speaker 3>some kids are upset. Darla, who we mentioned earlier, is

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<v Speaker 3>cast to play older Joan in Joan Still. Then there's

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<v Speaker 3>a younger girl named Mackenzie who's cast to play like

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<v Speaker 3>the younger Joan. Then we see the kids in classes

0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 3>and Janet Clive gg Amos, Rebecca Diane Area. There's another

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<v Speaker 3>fun montage, and even Glenn teaches a class on stage

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<v Speaker 3>managing and lighting and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciated that because of this movie's budget, which was

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<v Speaker 2>not publicly available but like I can't imagine, was especially high,

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<v Speaker 2>made it so that they could only afford to license

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<v Speaker 2>so many Broadway songs obviously, and I can't imagine post

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Malone was cheap at least three years ago. It might

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<v Speaker 2>be cheap now, but in any case that they had

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<v Speaker 2>to like write some Broadway sounding shows for the audition montage,

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<v Speaker 2>even though obviously Joan still is all original music. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>there are some things that I was like, what is

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<v Speaker 2>that from? And the answer is nowhere, So good job movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But when one kid auditions with a Wicked song, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>define gravity, and they probably had access to that.

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Because because of Zionist Mark Platt. Yeah Mark Platt. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to like Sully this discussion with

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>his politics, but he sucks ass. But that is very

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>likely why they were able to use Wicked specifically, right

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<v Speaker 2>right right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, so we see this montage of the counselors teaching

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<v Speaker 3>various classes, including Glenn. Although we've been getting some hints

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:29.400
<v Speaker 3>that Glenn is a talented performer in addition to being

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<v Speaker 3>a talented behind the scenes person, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my favorite, Like, I am such a sucker for

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<v Speaker 2>this narrative, even if, like with Glenn, you can see

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 2>it coming from one hundred miles away. But It's like

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<v Speaker 2>seeing Lady Gaga step on stage during A Star is

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<v Speaker 2>Born and you're like, I wonder if she'll be good

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<v Speaker 2>and turns out twist she is. And Noah Galvin, who's

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 2>like a decorated Broadway star, turns out they got pipes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So so then Rebecca, Dianne and Amos start writing Joanes

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<v Speaker 3>Still and then start rehearsing it with the cast. Meanwhile,

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Troy is trying to raise money for the camp, so

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<v Speaker 3>he hosts a dinner with potential donors slash investors and

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 3>has some of the campers act as wait staff to

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 3>serve them the meal. Very theatrically because he's also starting

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<v Speaker 3>to He's also trying to understand the theater kids and

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<v Speaker 3>like meet them on their level kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing with Troy that I appreciate is like a

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<v Speaker 2>stock character that I is like fairly new but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>growing to really appreciate, which is like the gentle himbo. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like twenty years ago this character would

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<v Speaker 2>be written as wildly homophobic, as hateful to the entire

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<v Speaker 2>project of theater. But he's just like kind of clueless

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<v Speaker 2>but curious, and I like the gentle himbo and Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Tetro has played place any a gentle hymbo. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm into this new but I'm I'm coining of well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe the trope has been coined, but

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm coining the stock character and I'm claiming him. Yeah,

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>illiterate but gentle.

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm I'm fine with this character as well. You

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 3>know himbos, But well, the whole thing with a himbo

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 3>is that they they do tend to be They're nice

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<v Speaker 3>but stupid. They're like clueless, but they're like sweet and

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 3>gentle usually so right, So that's him in a nutshell anyway,

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 3>He's he's like trying, He's he's trying to understand what

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 3>his mom does here. He's starting to appreciate what she

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 3>has done to build up this camp and build this community,

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 3>and he wants to keep the camp going. But this

0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 3>dinner that he hosts goes poorly and he doesn't get

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 3>any investors involved. Meanwhile, Rebecca Diane is receiving mysterious phone

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.959
<v Speaker 3>calls about oh, is she available that night for something

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 3>but we don't know what, and then she keeps disappearing

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 3>when she's supposed to be doing like a performance for

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 3>the campers. She disappears when she's supposed to be at

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 3>the annual mixer with Camp Lakeside, and Amos keeps being like,

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 3>where the hell is my best friend?

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>What is she up to? We don't know?

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>And at said mixer, Troy really hits it off with

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 3>the banker Caroline and he signs the camp over to her,

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 3>though sort of accidentally he like doesn't really realize what

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 3>he's doing. He misunderstands the deal, but either way, he's

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>fucked up and he has like signed the camp over,

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 3>which most people do not know about. Most of the

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 3>counselors are aware of this. Then it's tech Week where

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 3>they're doing all the tech rehearsals and everyone is scrambling

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 3>to get all the productions ready, especially Glenn, who everyone

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 3>is making all of these demands of. He's running around

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 3>all day doing everything behind the.

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Scenes, everything but singing.

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yet meanwhile, Amos is pissed at Rebecca for not being around,

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 3>and he has not seen the big finale for Joan

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Still that she was supposed to be working on, and

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 3>it's clear that she still hasn't written it, but she

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>pretends like she has and improvs this terrible song on

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 3>the spot and Amos is like, what the fuck was that,

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 3>and she reveals that she has been preoccupied because she

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 3>recently got a job. She signed a two year contract

0:29:56.560 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 3>to perform on a cruise ship because she she wants

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 3>to be a performer and not solely a teacher. And

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 3>she feels that Amos has maybe been holding her back

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 3>and she's made various sacrifices to stay working with him,

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 3>but she's done doing that, and Amos feels utterly betrayed.

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Then Caroline comes in to announce that Camp Lakeside has

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 3>bought Camp Adirondacks and they're about to tear it down.

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 3>The kids are horrified. It's chaos. It's unclear if Joan

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Still will be taking place because it seems like it's

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 3>dead in the water. But then Troy realizes that the

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 3>contract he signed says that Camp Lakeside can only take

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 3>over Camp Adirondacks if the bank forecloses on it, but

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 3>if they prevent that from happening, they can still save

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 3>the camp. So Troy goes to Glenn to encourage him

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:08.239
<v Speaker 3>to revive the production of Joan Still since Rebecca and

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Amos have kind of bailed on it. Yes and then

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Troy invites a bunch of his business influencer buddies to

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 3>the show as potential investors in the camp. But oh no,

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the star of Joan still, Darla, is leaving early, leaving

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 3>before the performance because she booked a movie role.

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I love that so much of Ben Platt's troubles towards

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the end of this movie have to are involved with

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 2>like low stakes opportunities for women. He's relying on.

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, true, because Darla is like, I got a

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 3>role in a movie about a pregnant gymnast, so I

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 3>have to go do that.

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>But he says like a line, Oh god, it made

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>me laugh. He's like, I'm not in a place where

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I can handle industry sides right now. And it's awesome.

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he agrees to help her prep for the

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 3>role anyway, and he's like, Okay, what are this character's allergies?

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>And she's like what and he's like, oh, we have

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>so much work to do, You're useless. It's so funny.

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, So Darla's leaving, so we're like, oh my god,

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 3>who's gonna play old Joan. The show begins. The songs

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 3>are wild. They were making me laugh.

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>They're good. I also, like, I just the number of

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>like really fun theater tropes that are like gotten into

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>here and the fact that it's done by like legitimately

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 2>very talented kids. It just is making me emotional the whole.

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it reminded me of like how to succeed in

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>business without even trying, where they're like stocks stocks, stocks,

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and then like how And I say this with love,

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>but the way that theater portrays addictions sometimes is so

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>corny and over the top, and they're like que the

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 2>cocaine and it's like the paper machine.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Also, the first song is about how women can't read, but.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Like but that also feels very like tongue in cheek

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of like raw, especially the further you go back in theater,

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>how broad and corny immigration stories could be told. It

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>all feels like done with I mean obviously like experience

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>of the actual like theater, but just with so much

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>affection for it, even the like problematic and corny parts.

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Right, well, the song itself is obviously problematic, but you

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 3>see like the audience members like looking at each other

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>being like what the fuck is this?

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>What? It's satire? Yeah, so it's good satire. It's great.

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 3>So Joan still is is happening, and then we get

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 3>the reveal that old Joan is being played by Glenn,

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 3>who does an amazing job.

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I also love the little tongue in cheek of like

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they're married to each other and that

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 2>when Glenn is good, Ben Platt is like, I'm genuinely upset.

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm genuinely upset about it. He's like, oh my god,

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 2>he's amazing, which is such a theater like, just, oh,

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>what is more show business than resenting the success of

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 2>a loved one? Come on, it's true.

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then it's time for the big finale, which

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 3>is partly Rebecca Diane's improved version of the song, but

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 3>it turns out that she ended up finishing it and

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.240
<v Speaker 3>polishing it and it's actually pretty good.

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And during this and of course it's a spoken word

0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>portion like here's how theater changed my life. And and the ending,

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I will say, is done pretty.

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Sincere uh where like the kids like the Camper's like

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 3>expressing how important camp is to them.

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like most lines in that concluding song, like

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>there are some joke lines, but for the most part

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like the message of the song, Unlike the song about

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>where women shouldn't be allowed to read. And one of

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>my favorite jokes in the movie Jeffka is dead, yeah,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Like, but it is like a very sincere

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>song about how theater camp can change your life, which is,

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, makes total sense given why we have this

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>movie for sure.

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's really sweet and yeah sentimental. And during

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 3>this song, Amos and Rebecca Diane apologize to each other

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:53.240
<v Speaker 3>and they have a tearful reconciliation. And then the text

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 3>on screen says that Troy's influencer buddies loved the show,

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 3>but it turns out they have no money to invest

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 3>and they are under investigation by the SEC. But someone

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 3>else makes a sizable donation to the camp because the

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 3>show really spoke to him. It's Troy's Airbnb guest, which very.

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Last minute I silly Desx Airbnb guest exactly. Yeah. I

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 2>learned just the other day from a friend of the show,

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Molly Lambert. Did you know that that convention of like

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the where are they now? Or like here's what happened next?

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Thing was invented by George Lucas. No, according to Molly,

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I haven't in American Graffiti, Okay, a movie I have

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.240
<v Speaker 2>not seen, but apparently that was like not a common

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>thing to do in movies prior to that. But there's

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.280
<v Speaker 2>a silly character that I guess we meet in American Graffiti,

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a movie I would like to see and sounds like

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>it would be worth covering, but like it's a you know,

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 2>teen movie, and they do that thing at the end

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, here's where this teenager ended up. Here's

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>where this teenager ended up, and one of them it

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 2>just says, without further comment, he died in Vietnam, which

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 2>was obviously like a big George Lucas political Like I mean,

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 2>George Lucas was very anti Vietnam example Star Wars and

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 2>New Hope or not anti Vietnam, anti the Vietnam War, right,

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, I just I now, every time I see that,

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be like, wow, that was George Lucas's idea.

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.919
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea. But they're used very frequently in mockumentaries. Yes,

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't realize that I've seen American Graffiti, but

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 3>it was it was during the great Caitlyn movie binge

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 3>of two thousand and five, so it was decades ago, yes,

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, so we get all these all this text

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 3>on screen about like where are they now? But the

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 3>camp is saved, it.

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Seems, and we even get to see Amy Sedaris one

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>more time.

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, she wakes up and she's like, don't let

0:37:59.040 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Troy run the camp.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very funny. But yeah, that is the movies.

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>So let's take a quick break and we'll come back

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 3>to discuss, and we're back where to begin.

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I feel like for me because we've recently covered a

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.280
<v Speaker 2>we okay, this is a good plug for the Matreon.

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0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.839
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0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>over two hundred episodes. That said, we recently did Catherine

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.359
<v Speaker 2>O'Hara month, who is a mockumentary icon because of her

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>appearances in Christopher Guestswork, and so many of the notes

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 2>that we had about Best in Show which we cover

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 2>are fully like this just feels like a more mature

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 2>version of that of that format where there are some

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:15.240
<v Speaker 2>dated stereotypes around where people that appear in that movie

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and in basically every movie that came out in the

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 2>two thousands. Unfortunately that by the time we get to

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Molly Gordon, Ben Platt, Noah Galvin, and the fourth guy,

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Nick Lieberman, shout out to him that like this is

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 2>a just like fully queer satire, of like a very

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>loving queer satire, and I love it. It's like everything that

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 2>you would want from a mockumentary without the dated, problematic

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>elements of watching certain documentaries. Totally.

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I And again I can't speak from personal

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 3>experience about the theater camp experience or being a theater kid,

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 3>but from everything I've read and heard from people.

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 2>It definitely gets it, Like I think gets it. Yeah,

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.919
<v Speaker 2>especially given like who is making this movie where it's

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 2>like you're a hard pressed to tell to Evan Hansen's

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>that they got the theater community wrong. They definitely got it. Yeah.

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Just to share a quote from Noah Galvin, he spoke

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 3>to Glad at I believe the premiere of this movie,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 3>which was at sun Dance.

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so pre strike. So they got to promote it

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and then they had to stop promoting

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it and then I think I don't remember if the

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>sag let me check when the SAG strike ended.

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:45.919
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I don't remember the exact date.

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it was after yes, So yeah, so the

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 2>writers strike I believe ended sometime in the late spring

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three, so they could promote it in

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 2>a writing capacity, but SAG was on strike until November

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty three, which is why most of the

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 2>promo you'll find for this movie was prior to both strikes,

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 2>because for the most part, it's like you have to

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 2>imagine Ben Platt and Molly Gordon and Noah Alvin are

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>both members of the WGA and SAG. SAG. Yeah, so

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a little bit of strike lore

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:24.319
<v Speaker 2>going on there, yes, But yeah, before that they were

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>able to promote it.

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 3>It premiered its sun Dance. Glad was there and they

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 3>were talking to various members of the cast and the

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 3>creative minds behind this movie, and we're just kind of

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 3>asking about, like what makes theater such a safe space

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 3>for the queer community, because many of the characters in

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 3>this movie are queer.

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Many you say, cast if one of the like crucial

0:41:54.960 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>jokes is a young boy coming out as straight, to say,

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 2>almost everybody in this movie is queer or queer coded exactly. Yes.

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:09.720
<v Speaker 3>So Noah Galvin says this quote, theater is a space

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 3>for people to express themselves and try on different personalities

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 3>and step into other people's shoes, and I think it

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 3>gives people the freedom to really explore. And I think

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 3>throughout those processes of being able to try on different

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>costumes and selves, you end up really finding your authentic

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 3>being unquote.

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Which that's beautiful, Which is.

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 3>A sentiment that resonates throughout the movie where it's so

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 3>clear that the kids and the counselors have found their

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 3>people and their community at theater camp, and they are

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 3>among people who they feel comfortable, you know, being themselves

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 3>around and exploring themselves around, and that they're wary of

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 3>someone like Troy because he represents the type of person

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 3>who typically doesn't embrace them and doesn't make them feel

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 3>comfortable to be themselves. Like there's that moment when Amos

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 3>goes up to Troy to be like, kids are here

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 3>because they found community. They're sort of like the outcasts

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 3>from heteronormative society and they are accepted here and they

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 3>belong here, and you're not one of us, because like

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Troy is this like super BROI he's a jock totally.

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 3>There's one of my favorite moments is when he is

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 3>like up at the podium in the like cafeteria area

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 3>and he's like talking into the microphone and then some kid.

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Just goes sis head bitch. It's so funny.

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 3>But but to your point, Troy like comes around or

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't fall into that like stereotype of being like

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 3>super toxic sis head bro guy who's gonna reject everyone

0:43:57.960 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 3>he sees because.

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Now and it's like as misguided and the I don't know,

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>like every Patty Harrison character is the funniest character in

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a movie and it's just like too bad for anyone

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 2>else who was in a movie with her. But his

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>whole thing was like I appreciate it. It was and

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is normal for mockumentaries. There's really

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>only room for like one or two actual emotional arcs

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and then you're getting just like a lot of characters,

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 2>which is definitely true for this. It's very focused around Rebecca,

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Diane and Amos's friendship. Yeah, but I do like that

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>with Troy, you get the feeling that like this whole

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>journey in spite of the fact that he like has

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 2>one brain cell is like he's trying to save his

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>mom's business. He's trying to like and in the process

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 2>is like learning and better understanding who she is and

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 2>how loved she is in this community that he has

0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 2>never really been a part of, which you know, it's

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>like clearly not like the emotional thrust of the movie.

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Sorry for saying thrust. I mean music to my ears.

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I know it's kind of your thing. Sorry, it's okay,

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I appreciate that that is like present.

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And again it's like, there were so many lazy tropes

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 2>that if this was written by a straight guy twenty

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:26.359
<v Speaker 2>years ago probably would have been present and isn't here,

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>which I think is one of the this movie's many

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 2>strengths is that this movie is written primarily by women

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and queer people. I don't really again, sorry to Nick Lueberman,

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know anything about him. So while there is,

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>as we discussed at the beginning, certainly a lot of

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>privilege to the primary creative team, the movie is also

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 2>written and directed by women and gay men, and that's

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 2>who you want to be writing a movie about theater camp,

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 2>especially someone who like the specificity. I mean, there's a

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>specific dynamic in this movie that I'm excited to talk about,

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>which is like a codependent again, it's like something that

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>we've seen in tropier ways, But there's this codependent friendship

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that exists between Rebecca, Diane and Amos that evolves over

0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>time that I'm sure many people have seen themselves in.

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:29.879
<v Speaker 2>I saw myself in this relationship between them, where it's

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like a same straight or a woman who's attracted to

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 2>men who falls in love with her best friend who

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 2>turns out to be gay and not interested, and then

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.399
<v Speaker 2>it's like okay, processes that information and then the two

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 2>of them go on to form one of the most

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 2>codependent friendships to ever exist. It is such a unique dynamic,

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's so specific, and it is expressed I think

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.839
<v Speaker 2>even in the like even though it's over the top,

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 2>it's so loving and I just really agree and that

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 2>like they build in a way that I think again

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:12.399
<v Speaker 2>like a lesser, less tapped in writer group would have,

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, basically American pied it and turned it into

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 2>this like big broad goofy story. There are like real

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>dynamics that exist obviously within that friendship, as would any

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 2>like of professional rivalry of like I am afraid of

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you succeeding in ways that I'm not because what does

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 2>that say about me? And what does that say about us?

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 2>And just I don't know. I feel like this movie

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>really nails this specific friendship dynamic and in a greater sense,

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 2>codependent friendship dynamics in general.

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 3>Totally another hilarious joke. A lot of my notes for

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 3>this movie is just I've written down all the funny

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.439
<v Speaker 3>joke that I like that's in the movie, and that's

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 3>feminism because the movie is just so damn funny. But

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 3>there's a scene where the counselors are gathered around a

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 3>campfire and kind of sharing stories and experiences, and Io's

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 3>character says something like, Yeah, it seems like the two

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 3>of you have a really codependent friendship, and Amos is like, no,

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 3>we don't. We just heavily depend on each other.

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:31.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like, uh, there's I mean, obviously, codependent friendships exist

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 2>across the sexuality spectrum, but there is something very specific

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>about this codependent friendship that felt both loving and familiar.

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And I would imagine a lot of this movie's target

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 2>demographic knows what the shape of this friendship is. Definitely,

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 2>and I do like that this movie has the courage,

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and I do think it is brave to have not

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>every character be successful to the extent that they wanted

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>to be at the end of the movie. It's something

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 2>that I always really like about Christopher Guest movies as well,

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 2>where I feel like, very often this convention of like,

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 2>and here's what happened to them is used to be

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 2>like and don't worry whatever struggles they were having. At

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the end of the movie, they went on to achieve

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>their wildest dreams, and in this case, like that's not true.

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 2>They end up basically normal, which in some ways you

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 2>could say is hilarious coming from Ben Platten, Molly Gordon

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 2>to objectively very successful people. But just from a writing perspective,

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I did appreciate that, like he continues at the theater camp,

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 2>and I think maybe my favorite joke is he starts

0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the check off like theater program for children of divorce,

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>which is just a great joke. And that Rebecca Diane,

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, does like go on to experience success, but

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>like she arrives at the bottom of the middle of

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:57.320
<v Speaker 2>theater success, which is like playing a minor role on

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 2>a cruise ship. And I really, I really liked that.

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like at the end of those movies you expect,

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 2>especially in I think like twenty tens and twenty twenty

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>movie culture, where everyone needs to have a redemption arc

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.319
<v Speaker 2>and like we there is, especially movies directed at younger audiences.

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about more recent Pixar movies too, where it's

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.319
<v Speaker 2>like no one is allowed to leave with a bad

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:22.839
<v Speaker 2>feeling and no one can die or get a boo boo.

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 2>This is me being a Republican.

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:29.240
<v Speaker 3>I guess, wow, these Snufflake movies.

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm Tucker Carlson. No, but I am really like we

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 2>need to be pushing villains off cliffs and failures should

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 2>be an.

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Option, Quitting should be an option. Yeah, yeah, Like life

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 3>is messy life. You heard it here first, and it

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 3>should be represented that way on screen.

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Take it from a podcast or in year ten. Things

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>don't always work out the way you expected. Wow, j.

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 3>This was your lifelong dreams.

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:02.479
<v Speaker 2>You know you're right, You're right. But I liked where

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 2>everybody landed at the end of the movie. I thought

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>it was very charming.

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Right because like at the end of Legally Blonde, for example,

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 3>it's like an Elle Woods graduates Magna Kum Laude of

0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Harvard Law School and goes on to be the best

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:17.720
<v Speaker 3>lawyer ever.

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately with Ellwood's I guess I will make an exception.

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I believe it. I believe that she did that,

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I don't know. I just this is again,

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 2>like the dynamics in this movie are so specific and

0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:34.399
<v Speaker 2>so like broad but also I guess specific and broad

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, which is just like a good satire.

0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of other characters, characters I would

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 2>have liked to see more of, but I'm assuming we

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:47.319
<v Speaker 2>were not able to because of availability. This is I mean,

0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 2>especially in like a cast this large, you have to

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.319
<v Speaker 2>imagine that they were not always able to get a

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.319
<v Speaker 2>ton of people all the time. But Owen Teel is

0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 2>so funny and so talented and plays GG. Yes, he

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>plays GG and has been in so many things in

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years, but I feel like has

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:10.720
<v Speaker 2>yet to have like his big moment. I'm looking forward

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to it. He was in Overcompensating and Adults, two shows

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I iconically have not watched, but I hear people like

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and he also is a NEPO baby, because you have

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 2>to be to be in this movie. Of course, let's

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.760
<v Speaker 2>see what else. Oh and Nathan Lee Graham as Clive,

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 2>who just I have to assume like he just like

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>was not available because he's on stage constantly, just a legend.

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 3>We talked about him recently because he's he has a

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 3>small role in Hitch He Dies and Zoolander.

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 2>He's been in so many movies we've covered because he's

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>also in Sweet Home Alabama. Oh right, yeah, he's in

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.720
<v Speaker 2>everything and originated one of the Broadway roles of Priscilla,

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Queen of the Desert. So oh, no kidding, there's so

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>many Nathan Lee Graham overlaps certainly a queer icon, and

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.359
<v Speaker 2>the love for theater in this movie is clear. And

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 2>then and then you have like a few people from

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the comedy world as well. You have obviously like Amy Sedaris,

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 2>who I don't know if she's ever done Broadway. I

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.439
<v Speaker 2>feel like she has, but I don't know. I don't

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:20.839
<v Speaker 2>know either. Her energy to me says yes, let me,

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:26.760
<v Speaker 2>let me, let me check this. Yes, okay, actually so much. Yes, okay,

0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.520
<v Speaker 2>so that makes sense. So she's Broadway. But with I

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:34.320
<v Speaker 2>love I like Io and Patty are so well used

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 2>in this movie. Patty's character like who becomes a larger

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 2>character than you expect in a really fun way. She

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 2>becomes like Jimmy Tatro's love interest. But it doesn't seem

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like they're gonna end together because I'm pretty sure the

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>last you hear of her, she's like, this sucks.

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she doesn't like the production of Joan Still. Meanwhile,

0:53:56.960 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that's his mother. That's his mom, and he's like she

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 3>feels so endeared by the performances.

0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I was really kind of taken. I was like, Wow,

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Tattra is moving me right now. This is crazy.

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just like it's a great ensemble cast. There are

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 2>certain people that I would have liked to see more of.

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I think, like we were talking about Owen Teal Nathane

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.560
<v Speaker 2>graham Io to that point.

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.279
<v Speaker 3>One of my notes about this movie is that it

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 3>does center like the cast at the very center of

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 3>this movie are white actors, and it is a racially

0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:38.239
<v Speaker 3>diverse cast, but the main characters are predominantly white, and

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 3>all the characters that I would have liked to see

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.839
<v Speaker 3>more of two like you said, Gg Clive Janet, tend

0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:47.319
<v Speaker 3>to be non white actors and characters.

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I do think is more of a contemporary

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that I've noticed. I don't know if you've ever

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 2>like specifically talked about it, but having a diverse setting

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.840
<v Speaker 2>but not necessarily a diverse movie in terms of whose

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:08.799
<v Speaker 2>stories are prioritized where I don't know whatever, pretending this

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:10.840
<v Speaker 2>movie came out in two thousand and three not twenty

0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, I think we would have a story that

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 2>centers white actors and they're surrounded by white actors. I

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 2>mean Christopher Guest's movies are a great example of this. Yeah,

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 2>but now it's like we are still primarily especially like

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:30.600
<v Speaker 2>and this it wasn't a gigantic release, but it was

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:33.840
<v Speaker 2>released by Searchlight, like it was a big enough release

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 2>for this to be a worthy criticism. It still centers

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 2>white stories, but they're in a more diverse environment, which

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 2>is maybe like not the flex that it seems like

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.800
<v Speaker 2>right in any case, and there's there's always I will

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.440
<v Speaker 2>qualify that with like, I have no idea what this like.

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 2>It's very possible think certainly with people like Io who

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 2>are like constantly working, Oh, Intel is working a lot

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 2>like that. This is just like how it shook out

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:13.400
<v Speaker 2>based on availability, but does feel worth mentioning.

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:16.840
<v Speaker 3>And I mean you know, you look at the writing

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:21.839
<v Speaker 3>and directing team and it's like they're broughtting themselves as

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.439
<v Speaker 3>the main characters, which is understandable, this happens a lot.

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 3>But also it's like, Okay, who gets the opportunity to write, direct,

0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 3>and star in their own movies? It is usually white people.

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<v Speaker 2>And white people from very privileged backgrounds, right, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what this movie is. And again it's like I say that,

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<v Speaker 2>Do I say that out of bitterness, yes, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is also like worth mentioning in a way that I hope,

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<v Speaker 2>like it doesn't take away from their you know, artistry,

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Like they're this movie is really good. They're talented writers

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<v Speaker 2>and performers and also objectively, they're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the front of the line each and every time because

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<v Speaker 2>of how society works. Yes, I honestly don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot else to say about this movie, just that I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's so funny and there are so many hilarious

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<v Speaker 2>jokes puns that I loved. The Gentra Vacation Project, the

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<v Speaker 2>Caroline Helms, Yeah, that was her brainchild. That was her brainchild.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, Troy is doing on Troy preneurship funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I had to hate that one. But I it's this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this movie is everything that I feel like we're constantly

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<v Speaker 2>being told are the kinds of movies you just don't

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<v Speaker 2>get anymore. And I think it is like a nice

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<v Speaker 2>reminder that we do get movies like this with some frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just like way harder to get made and seen

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<v Speaker 2>than they once were because Hollywood studios don't invest in

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<v Speaker 2>promoting original stories like this. Yeah. Yeah, So if you're wondering, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, why aren't they making like these fun

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 2>indie style movies like they used to, they are, you

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<v Speaker 2>just have to look harder for them, unfortunately. Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people are always saying like, oh, everything that comes

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<v Speaker 3>out is a Marvel or a Star Wars or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>other huge franchise movies, big studio IP movies, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of what comes out and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of what gets the big budgets and all the promo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But in this year alone, twenty twenty three, when Theater

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<v Speaker 3>Camp came out, there was also Dix the Musical, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Was another movie that didn't get it's due.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally Polite Society came out this year, Wicked Little Letters

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<v Speaker 3>came out that year. One of my favorite films from

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three. It's fun and.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that is and I guess like it that's

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<v Speaker 2>not even we're not even criticizing the audience for this,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like there is just like so much

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<v Speaker 2>gaslighting in the way that, like the way that people

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<v Speaker 2>are told quote unquote what audiences want, because if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at like box office numbers, to get pedantic for

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<v Speaker 2>a second, if you look at box office numbers for

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<v Speaker 2>these like big tent pole like Marvels or Marvel style releases,

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<v Speaker 2>they're making way less money than they used to because

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 2>people get burnt out, they get sick of seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of movie over and over and over. And

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<v Speaker 2>original stories are doing much better even though they you know,

0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>still often need and this has been true forever, like

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<v Speaker 2>some star power to get them out there. I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about the drama as a recent example of like

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that movie made over one hundred million dollars and it's

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<v Speaker 2>an original story, whether you liked it or not, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great case study for it, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>people want to see original stories. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we're still kind of that most original stories, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a huge star or you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a rich parent or whatever. It is like, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>going to be harder for your work to get seen.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't mean that it is happening. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the next time you see a headline that's like, no

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<v Speaker 2>one wants to see original stories, that's why we're disinvesting

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<v Speaker 2>in them. It's just not true. It's just not true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the same. I feel like we've had this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation around like movies for women and specifically older women

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<v Speaker 2>of like how I think of like The First Wives

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<v Speaker 2>Club example, While and while that is like a wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>white movie, but that was a great case study for oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't think this audience exists, and then it very

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<v Speaker 2>much existed. Black Panther, same thing, even though that's a

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel movie. They're like, there's no market for a black

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<v Speaker 2>superhero and then it makes a billion dollars. It's just okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's my little rant for the day. You're so true.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, Bottoms came out this year. So like some of

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<v Speaker 3>the funniest movies that have come out in recent years,

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<v Speaker 3>many of them came out in twenty twenty three. These

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<v Speaker 3>were all original stories, lower budget films. That were so

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<v Speaker 3>funny and smart and.

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<v Speaker 2>Did find their audience it just they but didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>the push they deserved exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have anything else you want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is just like a good If you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen this movie, it is, I believe on Hulu, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great movie to like, invite some friends over

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<v Speaker 2>and have some fun. I have yet to hear of

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<v Speaker 2>a theater fan friend who has a negative thing to

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<v Speaker 2>say about this movie. Like they did it right, They

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<v Speaker 2>sure did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And like you said, it does pass the Bechdel test,

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<v Speaker 3>it does. Yeah, And we already talked about it at

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<v Speaker 3>the top of this show. I don't think we need

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<v Speaker 3>to be labor the point any further. But what about

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<v Speaker 3>our nipple scale, the Bechdel cast nipple scale where or

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<v Speaker 3>the Bechtel camp Y scale where we rate the movie

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<v Speaker 3>on a scale of zero to five nipples examining it

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<v Speaker 3>through an intersectional feminist lens.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Ray, Ray, I'm gonna give it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think like a three point seventy five nice It's

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<v Speaker 3>doing pretty well. The representation we see is very diverse

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<v Speaker 3>across gender sexuality. I would say to a lesser extent race,

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<v Speaker 3>because again the movie does center the white characters, but

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<v Speaker 3>there's body diversity.

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<v Speaker 2>We see.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very inclusive group generally. Again, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>sentiments that keeps being expressed throughout the movie is uh

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<v Speaker 3>and that, like the asked and the filmmakers have talked

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<v Speaker 3>about when they speak about this movie and they speak

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<v Speaker 3>about theater camp and theater kids and just theater experience

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<v Speaker 3>in general, that it is an inclusive group and that

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<v Speaker 3>everyone is welcome because you know, like Island of Misfit

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<v Speaker 3>Toys kind of thing. So there's places where I think

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<v Speaker 3>it could have been more inclusive in general, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many good jokes in this movie. The cast

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<v Speaker 3>is terrific. The Jones still should be winning Tony's.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you enjoy the soundtrack of the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>it did come out. I do believe it is streaming,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of as is Dicks the musical. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like twenty twenty three was a great year

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<v Speaker 2>for musical comedies that were under promoted. And it's a crime,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a crime to humanity, and in the twenty twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason we have no idea or willingness how

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<v Speaker 2>to promote musicals anyway. It's true. So three point seventy five,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you giving them to?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, just everybody, everyone in the cast and crew, because

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<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes people matter too, as we see with Glen.

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<v Speaker 2>Glen, I will I'll meet you there. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>for our metric. Yeah, there are certainly like a few

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<v Speaker 2>notes on the rampometer on the amount of fun this

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<v Speaker 2>movie is ten out of ten, and that it's like doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is like a clear progression in this

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<v Speaker 2>genre specifically that is like very encouraging and very cool

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<v Speaker 2>and is a more inclusive approach to the mockumentary genre

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't always get. And yeah, it's super funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I really love it and you should watch it if

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't. I am going to give my nipples too.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll just split my three point five nipples

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<v Speaker 2>among the writers, but I'll give two to Molly Gordon

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm a really big fan of her work. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Rebecca Diane is so funny and I also felt

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<v Speaker 2>very seen by her.

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