1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. How can a twelve year 2 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: old little girl just disappear and nobody knows anything? Not 3 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: only that this little girl goes missing June three, Let's 4 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: see June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February, 5 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: and nothing is being done. Why where is this beautiful 6 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: twelve year old girl? Laurie Page out of Tallahassee, Florida, 7 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: got a lot of questions about this investigation, but most 8 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: important where is she? Is she dead or alive? Who 9 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: has her? What's been done to her? Has she been 10 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: sex trafficked? Is she being hidden? Is she even alive? 11 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: Let me give you a tip line right off the 12 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: top eight five zero five seven four tips eight five 13 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: zero five seven four eight four seven seven. We really 14 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: need your help. I mean to see grace. This is 15 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 16 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. This is 17 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: how the whole thing starts. Take a listen to Latina 18 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Laura Varbel. 19 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: She was reported missing to us on June third by 20 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: her father with very missed information. So dad works overnight. 21 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: He is a he works in our correctional correctional facilities. 22 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: So he leaves. He left the night late the night before, 23 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: returned the next day after his shift, and she was gone. 24 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: And this was not abnormal, like that was their regular pattern. 25 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Okay, let me clarify what Lieutenant Varbel is saying. After 26 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: I started investigating this case, I learned when she says 27 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: that's not abnormal, she doesn't mean that the girl is 28 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: gone is not abnormal. What was not abnormal is the 29 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: dad works a night shift. Mom's out of the picture. 30 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: Dad has the twelve year old girl. Everything's going along fine. 31 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: He works a night shift and then he comes home 32 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: and she's there. This is a responsible dad who works 33 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: within the correctional facility, I believe at a prison and 34 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: holds down a regular job and is taking care of 35 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: his twelve year old little girl. With me an all 36 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: star panel. But first I want to go to a 37 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: special guest who has emerged as unlikely here in this scenario. 38 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Margie Summers Peara, professional at Griffin Middle School, very close 39 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: with the little girl, Laurie Page, who was missing just 40 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: twelve years old. I'm thinking of my little girl who 41 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: is now sixteen. You know what she did this morning, 42 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: which she left to go to school. She left the 43 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: door wide open. She walked down the door with our 44 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: hands full and just left. I mean, that's the thinking. 45 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: They're not thinking right. They're children and this little girl 46 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: is just twelve years old. Margie Summers knows Laurie very well, 47 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and she is the one who actually went out and 48 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: organized a search for Laurie on Facebook. Margaret Adams Somers, 49 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Miss Summers, thank you for being with us. First of all, 50 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: I want to address the home situation because you know, 51 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: like we all well know, that when a child goes 52 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: missing or a child is killed, it's very likely someone 53 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: in the family. And the first place you look are 54 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: the male family members. You look at the dad, the stepdad, 55 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the living, the older brother, the ex boyfriend, 56 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: anyone connected to that family. In this case, we're not 57 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: seeing that kind of suggestion against Laurie's father. Do you 58 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: agree or disagree? I agree with that. What can you 59 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: tell us about their living situation. 60 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: I know that about a year prior to her disappearance 61 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: that her mother brought her to the father and basically 62 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: left her with her father. At that point, her father 63 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: was somewhat new to parenting, but the two of them 64 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: were making a go of it. 65 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Hey, we're all new at parenting. I'm open to any 66 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: and all advice, and believe me, I get plenty of 67 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: advice online. You know the other with me Nicole Parton 68 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, and I want everybody 69 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: to know one of the reasons we have her on 70 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: Today's not only is she a phenomenal investigative reporter, but 71 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: she is the mother of ten one, zero ten. She 72 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: has taken in children, fostered them and adopted them that 73 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: had all sorts of learning problems, moms that neglected them 74 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: and abandoned them. So she is a supermom, all right, 75 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: So Nicole Parton. For instance, the other day I posted 76 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: a picture of Lucy and John David. They were being 77 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: acolytes at church and Lucy had on the qu's little dress. Ever, 78 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: people actually wrote in that I let her wear a 79 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: dress that was too short. I'm like, hello, do you 80 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: notice she's in church on Sunday morning? Anyway, no matter 81 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: what you do, somebody is going to find fault with it. 82 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: But from all I can tell, as Margie Summer says, 83 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: this dad was doing his very best and like my 84 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: dad my whole life, he worked, as we called it, 85 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: the night trick, a night job, and there was no 86 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: way for him to get out of doing it. So, 87 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, there is no suggestion 88 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: at all this father has had anything to do with 89 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: his daughter's disappearance. In fact, he is distraught. 90 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's what we're hearing. And another thing to note, 91 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: it's been mentioned repeatedly. She was a wonderful student. Here's 92 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: a girl who loved to go to school. She loved education, 93 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 4: she loved learning. So that in part has to be 94 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: a reflection on somewhat of the dynamic at home. This 95 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 4: dad was doing his very best. She was in school 96 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: every day, he was working. As was said, they were 97 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: making a go of it, and it sounds like he 98 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: was doing a really good job. Twelve years old, I 99 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: have an eleven year old daughter. A child. It's a child. 100 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: She disappeared almost two hundred and fifty days now. She's 101 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 4: been missing, a little girl. 102 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't even know about the story. Margie Summers, 103 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: back to you, and I'm going to introduce the rest 104 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: of our all star panel, who are incredible. You'll recognize 105 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: a lot of their names. Margie Summers, I was just 106 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: thinking about what all this child has gone through, but 107 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: you knew her. It's my understanding that she was doing 108 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: really well with her father, never missing school upbeat. Is 109 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: that true? 110 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: That is very accurate. And when I later learned that 111 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: there were issues, I was actually surprised she was so 112 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: put together at school. I just want to guess that 113 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: she was struggling with is shees at home? 114 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Let me go straight out, speaking of irreparable harm caused 115 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: by moms and dads in your youth, Doctor Bethany Marshall 116 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: is joining us or now psychoanalyst joining us out of 117 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: la at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany need some 118 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: help because see my memories of my mother is that 119 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: she did and my dad did everything she could to 120 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: help us. Of course, we grew up on a red 121 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: dirt road in the middle of rural bib County, but 122 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: every day we were at school, we never thought of 123 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: laid out of school. When I woke up at seven 124 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: am in the morning, my mom has already gone to work, 125 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: but she had laid out three breakfasts, grits and eggs 126 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: and things for us to drink. Long everything was done. 127 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Our clothes were laid out the night before. We never 128 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: missed school, we never missed church. In fact, I asked 129 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: her one time, Mom, what would happen if I told 130 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: you I didn't want to go to Sunday school this morning? 131 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: And she didn't miss a beat? Bethany, She said, oh, well, 132 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: I would just pull you out of a nice school 133 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: you're in right now and let you go to the 134 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: Georgia Industrial Home for girls to learn a trade. And 135 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: she just kept going. I went, I got to go 136 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: get ready. So that was that. I don't mind that 137 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: up again. So my point is, say, so, aren't for 138 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: so many people to identify with a mom that drops 139 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: you off and leaves. 140 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 5: Announcy When the one person who is entrusted with taking 141 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 5: care of you, making sure you're safe in this world, 142 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: making sure your hair is comb there's breakfast on the table. 143 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: The person who's supposed to have a secure attachment with 144 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: the father, When that person cannot hold on to their 145 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: relationship with the child, she's perhaps antagonistic with the father. 146 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 5: That really destroys a child's world. And I'm going to 147 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 5: tell you something about this little girl. Her primary attachments 148 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: were with her father and with her schoolmates. I just 149 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 5: now the little bit I've heard on this show tells 150 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 5: me that this is not a runaway. This is somebody 151 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 5: who had attachments in their immediate circle. Runaways are children 152 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 5: who have such a huge amount of trouble in their 153 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: home that their primary her attachments are with strangers. And 154 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 5: that's not the case here. 155 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: That's exactly where I was headed at Doctor Bethany. Once again, 156 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: you've read my mind. Margie Sommers is with us, who 157 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: again has turned into a very unlikely hero. She is 158 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: the one that has organized the search for little Lori page. 159 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: She is the one being heard on media speaking out 160 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: about a girl gone, a little girl gone. Now you know, Margie, 161 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: I called hunting for information about this girl, and no 162 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: matter how many times I called, it seems as if 163 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: police didn't want to speak publicly. Isn't that unusual? But 164 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: I did notice after I started investigating the case myself, 165 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: suddenly things started changing and moving. 166 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: What happened, Margie, I think your phone calls may have 167 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: made a difference, and they may have realized that, hey, 168 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: this is a big deal. Eight months is too long, yeah, 169 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: And I think somebody just needed to draw some attention 170 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: to that, so that the startling fact that she'd been 171 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: gone eight months would shine through again? 172 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: Well, what have they done since I started poking around? 173 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: From what I understand, they've added a whole lot of 174 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 3: resources to the case, additional detectives, They're doing a lot 175 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: more legwork. They're starting over from the beginning, so it's 176 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: almost like the whole investigation has picked off in high year. 177 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: Well, I wish this said happened eight months ago. But 178 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: to the TELEHASSEPD, we would love for you to join 179 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: us and help us find Lorie Page. The whole reason 180 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: I was working up to the fact that she had 181 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: stability with her father is to dispel the idea that 182 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: she has gone run away and is voluntarily staying away 183 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: from home in school, isn't it, Sue Margie Sommers that 184 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: she was doing well at school and seemingly happy with friends. 185 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: I would say she. 186 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: Was doing well at school. I never saw her with 187 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: any particular friends, but she was so driven and so 188 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: focused on school. It was almost like she didn't see 189 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: school as a social environment. She sawt as a very 190 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: serious learning endeavor. She would literally run from one class 191 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: to the next, even though it was across the hallway, 192 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: just to make sure she wasn't party so she was 193 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: friendly with those students and she talked to them, but 194 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: she was way more serious about school than anything else. 195 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, where is this little girl? 196 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: What do we know? Listen to Lieutenant Laura Varble. 197 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 2: She was home by her. He had He had worked 198 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: nights since she had come to live with him, and 199 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: she would always be home while he worked his overnight shift. 200 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: It was a quadruplex, so it's like a there's a 201 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: lot of little place and there, I mean, there is 202 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: a there was a neighbor reference obviously for her, an 203 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: adult person that if she needed something, she had somebody 204 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: to reach out to. 205 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: Okay. To Chris mc donne, joining US director for the 206 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective. I found him on 207 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: his YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris McDonald, thank you 208 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: so much for being with us. Does it irritate you 209 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: as much as it irritates me that this child had 210 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: been labeled a runaway? You know how many cases I've 211 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: covered where the child was first designated a runaway and 212 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: they end up dead? 213 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 6: I mean in this situation, obviously, you know twelve year 214 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 6: olds that just don't disappear, they can you know some 215 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 6: time circumstances, they do run away. However, in this particular case, 216 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 6: if we look at it, you know from a thirty 217 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 6: thousand foot view, you've got to take into consideration. And 218 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 6: we've talked many times on your show about this, the 219 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 6: victim risk continuum. And when you look at that, this 220 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 6: child falls within a medium risk in relationship to the 221 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 6: totality of her life circumstances. 222 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: With that, I. 223 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Don't even know what you're saying. She's a medium risk 224 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: in totality with her life circumstances. What in the hey 225 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: are you saying, Katy, you listen, I feel like I'm 226 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: hearing someone read a police report. Please dummy down for me. 227 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: What are you saying? 228 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 6: So, what you do is you have like an L 229 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 6: like an L shape risk continuum and on one side 230 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: you write environment situation circumstance. On the bottom you put low, medium, 231 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 6: and high risk. The lower to the left the child's 232 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 6: daily activities to hire. The opportunity is for a suspect 233 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: and or somebody in her environment. 234 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I do still do you know what he's saying? Okay, again, 235 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: we don't know what you're saying. Let me try to 236 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: interpret and regular people talk Okay, Chris McDonough. Are you 237 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: saying that she was at a low risk for being 238 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: a runaway? 239 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 7: No? 240 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: Okay, See, I did not have any idea what you're 241 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: saying medium category for what. 242 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 6: For potentially somebody luring her out of the home through 243 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 6: an internet situation, through anything. 244 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: So at medium risk for kidnap or luring? Is that 245 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: what you're saying luring? Okay, medium risk because of what? 246 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Because just so you know, we have learned that she 247 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: did not have a social media profile, she was not 248 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: on line. 249 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 6: Well that's not uncommon for you know, somebody to within 250 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 6: the family to say, well, wait a minute. You know, 251 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 6: she could have had a phone, she could have had 252 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 6: access to her friends. There could have been a variety 253 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 6: of circumstances. That's why I'm saying you take a look 254 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 6: at her environment, the totality of her environment. Who are 255 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 6: our friends, what access points to the internet does her 256 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 6: father or friends have? And those are kind of things 257 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 6: that kids, you know, you know more than anybody. I mean, 258 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 6: I've raised four of them. They sometimes use their friends stuff. 259 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Well, the only thing that raises a risk in my 260 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: mind is the fact that her dad had to work. 261 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: Were not in moms not in the Patriot. She had 262 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: recently moved to the area. I guess, Margie Summers, it 263 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: was over a year ago. 264 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: Yes, it was approximately a year earlier. I think it 265 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: may even have been August, so the beginning of sixth grade. 266 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: Gotcha listen to this, guys. 267 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: You read recently moved to the area to live with dad. 268 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 2: She had been with dad for about a year. She's 269 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 2: had a lot of things happen in the course of 270 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: her life, so there could be several reasons with regards 271 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: to her background. We just really can't speculate as to 272 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: which that could be. 273 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to follow up on 274 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: what we're hearing the lieutenants say about having had a 275 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: tough time of it starting these school is hard enough 276 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: on its own. Then your dad has gone. You get 277 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: home in the afternoon, and your dad leaves to go 278 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: to work, so she's there by herself, probably musing about 279 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: whatever happened during the day, maybe being homesick. 280 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 5: So that's difficult, Nancy, that's profoundly difficult. You know how 281 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 5: much time you spend with your kids processing the events 282 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 5: of the day, and imagine there's no one there to 283 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 5: process the events of the day with her. So if 284 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 5: she is falling prey to some other person outside the house, 285 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 5: there's no one for her to attach to in the house, 286 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 5: to steady to her, to help make sense of her experiences, 287 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 5: and the world is down even further. This is a 288 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 5: little girl who ran from class to class even if 289 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 5: the other class was across the hallway. This tells me 290 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 5: she was a good little girl. Good girls are victims, right, 291 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: little girls who can't say no. So she's going to 292 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 5: be hungry for attachments. Anybody who gives her love, anybody 293 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: who says they can fulfill her needs. Anybody who says 294 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 5: I'll keep you safe, I know you, I know you 295 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 5: better than your own parents. She's going to gravitate to 296 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 5: those people because she is like a thirsty little plant. 297 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 5: Every little drop of water is going to make her 298 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 5: spring to life, even if it's from a predator. 299 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: Joining me now is high profile family lawyer joining us 300 00:18:53,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: out of North Carolina now at Triangledivorcelawyers dot com. Definite Murphy. 301 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: Before you tell me what you think, I want you 302 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: to hear this. Take a listen to Sidney Sumner crimeonline 303 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: dot com. 304 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 8: When police began looking into the disappearance of twelve year 305 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 8: old Lori Page. Detectives started by looking for her digital footprint. 306 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 8: But Lori Page has no digital footprint. She's not on 307 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 8: social media. Old school methods are being used to find 308 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 8: the middle schooler, knocking on doors and talking to neighbors, 309 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 8: putting up flyers with her name in personal details, sharing 310 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 8: information with neighboring police agencies, and asking the public for help. 311 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: Knowing that according to police, there was no digital footprint. 312 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: She's not on a Snapchat, she's not on Insta. They 313 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: can't find her anywhere. But we do know there was 314 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: a computer in the home. We know that because cop 315 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: said that, but yet no digital footprint. What does this 316 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: mean to you, Kathleen. 317 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 9: It means to me that the police have not gotten 318 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 9: that computer and looked at it carefully. It also means 319 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 9: to me that the police have not fully investigated this case. 320 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 9: Twelve year olds are going to find a way to 321 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 9: connect with somebody that makes them feel good. They're going 322 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 9: to have that reach out. And if she's alone for 323 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 9: a significant amount of the evening and nighttime and she 324 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 9: has a computer, whi's access to the computer? I wonder 325 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 9: if the police have reviewed that computer. 326 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Good question, Margie Summers. Would did the school have computers? 327 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: Could she access a computer at school? 328 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 3: Matter of fact, Nan, see, all of the kids at 329 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: our school are issued computers, and they maintain those computers 330 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: with them and take them home at night, charge them, 331 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: and bring them back to school each and every day. 332 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: Every student at Griffin Middle School has a chromebook. 333 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: So she did have a computer. Has that computer been found, Largie? 334 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: I do not know the answer to that. 335 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: Wouldn't they return it to the school? 336 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: Yes, she would have checked it in at the end 337 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: of the year, and I'm quite certain that she did 338 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: because justice the kind of student she was. I also 339 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: wanted to mention, based on what your other guest said 340 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: regarding her self esteem, I know that Laurie received result 341 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: of a negative test score. She was absolutely distraught and 342 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: feeling terrible about her test score. She is the only 343 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: student that I've ever had to say, Laurie, it's not 344 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: that serious. It just means we're going to have to 345 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 3: help you in this one area. Other students, to get 346 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: them even interested in their test scores is a bit 347 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 3: of a chore, But not Laurie. She took that low 348 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 3: score very much to heart, and I was actually concerned 349 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: about how sad she was regarding that test. 350 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: That just breaks my heart. It breaks my heart with 351 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: me right now, Megan, Crime director communications at child Help, 352 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: and if you've never heard of child Help, please go 353 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: online to child help dot org. It's amazing they care 354 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: about one thing, helping children. Megan, thank you for being 355 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: with us. When I think of this little girl twelve, 356 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: so upset about a bad grade, and now she's missing, 357 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and she was immediately described as a runaway. It's been 358 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: eight months. A child that's that upset about one bad 359 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: test grade. I just don't see her running away. 360 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 10: I don't see it either, Handy, and thank you for 361 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 10: having me when I hear we see children like this 362 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 10: a lot, and that tells me that she felt said 363 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 10: about a grade. 364 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 5: It's a perfectionist. 365 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 10: It's one way to get her mother's approval, keep peace 366 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 10: in the family. That there's been a lot of discord. 367 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 10: And like you said, she's a baby, she's twelve. She 368 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 10: cannot sustain eight months by herself. 369 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: I just pray to God that she's still alive. Speaking 370 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: of speaking of this little girl's nature, I want you 371 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: to hear what the mom Lori Braws has to say, listen, 372 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: did she. 373 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 11: Leave in the middle of the night to go be 374 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 11: outside voluntarily without being manipulated? In no world does that 375 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 11: make sense. She might be outside in the dark, she 376 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 11: is scared of everything. How are you outside in the 377 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 11: dark for this long? And who's feeding you? Who is 378 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 11: feeding the shell? Because again, I know my child. Her 379 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 11: first word was eat. 380 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: So doctor Bethony Marshall, when the mom tells us that 381 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: how scared the child is. She's afraid of the dark, 382 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: she doesn't like the outside. She loves to eat, she 383 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: loves the meals. What none of this makes with the 384 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: phrase this little girl just took off, I'm just not 385 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: buy it. 386 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 5: No, none of it makes that. 387 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: I remember, doctor Bethany, when she disappeared, it was nighttime. 388 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: What do you think the old girl is going to 389 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: go out and take an aber? That did not happen. 390 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 5: No, and her mother knows her daughter, right, I mean 391 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 5: who guests would know her than her own parents. However, 392 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 5: one thing concerns me, and that is that the mother 393 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 5: is talking like a police detective, not like somebody who's 394 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 5: concerned about her daughter. Now I'm not saying she's not 395 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 5: concerned because she might be shocked dissociated, unable to express 396 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 5: her love. On the other hand, a mother who's this 397 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 5: methodical and detached. 398 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to defend the mother. Really, all I care 399 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: about is finding the girl. I don't care who did 400 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: what when I want to find Laurie. In defense of 401 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: what the mother is saying, she's extremely defensive and angry 402 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: that the police or any other have just written Laurie 403 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: off as a runaway. Take a listen to what missus Brosey, 404 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: the mom, has to say about her daughter being labeled 405 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: a runaway. 406 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 11: The police report said that she ran away and there's 407 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 11: no reason why they believe that she was taken. And 408 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 11: that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because you 409 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 11: can voluntarily leave under manipulative circumstances. So and then whether 410 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 11: she voluntarily left or not, she's a child. What rights 411 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 11: do children have to move around if they please? Can 412 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 11: she get in the car voluntarily drive down your block? 413 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 11: Because just as sure as she gets in a car 414 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 11: and starts to drive it, that's going to be a problem. 415 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 11: But when she voluntarily leaves and is missing, like this 416 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 11: doesn't make sense. Things that don't make me sense make 417 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 11: me upset. I get irritated where is LORI page. 418 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, doctor Bethany, she's responding to her daughter 419 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: being called a runaway, and it doesn't make any. 420 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 5: Sense, you know, Nanty, I completely retract my comments from before. 421 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 5: She's sounding like a police detective because there are no 422 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 5: detectives helping her. She's having to think this entire thing 423 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: through herself. And she makes the most excellent point. Even 424 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 5: if a child walks out of the house to a stranger, 425 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 5: that's not voluntary. It's never voluntary when a minor leaves 426 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 5: the house and never return. So this poor mother is 427 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 5: falling back on her own psychological and mental resources to 428 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: find her own child. Can you imagine as John David 429 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 5: or Lucy went missing and you had to be the detective. 430 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 7: You know? 431 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: Another saying doctor Bethany, I think that she's doing. I'm 432 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: certainly no shrink. I want everybody else on the panel 433 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: to jump in on this. She's methodically as best she can, 434 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: going through Well, she left a twelve year old, Well, 435 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: who's going to fat her? What is she going to 436 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: she's afraid of the dark. She wouldn't have done that. 437 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: What does she get in the car. She's not going 438 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: to drive? I mean she's going through all these permutations 439 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: and possibilities and ruling them out. And I have found, 440 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, that when you're faced with this horrible happening, 441 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: you try to make sense, You try to apply logic 442 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: to an illogical situation, and it doesn't work, and it 443 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: gets harder and harder and more difficult. And that's what 444 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: I hear the mom doing. 445 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 5: You know, I agree with you, And you know part 446 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 5: of being a mother is something called maternal preoccupation. And 447 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 5: what that means is, no matter where your child is, 448 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: no matter who's taking care of your baby, you're thinking 449 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 5: about them all the time. Now imagine your child is missing. 450 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 5: That's going to be thinking about your child in a 451 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 5: desperate kind of way. I like your use of the 452 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 5: word permutations. She's trying to think of every single possibility. 453 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 5: But not only that, these are rebuttals. 454 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: Yes, you're right. What about it? Megan crying? You're hearing 455 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Do you agree or dis well? 456 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 10: Yes, she's the mom got a control, She has no control? 457 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:03,239 Speaker 6: Right? 458 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 10: Can you imagine I have two children not knowing where 459 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 10: they are and for eight months, I mean we're coming 460 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 10: up on a year. 461 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: What the mom is saying right now makes a lot 462 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: of sense to me. Guys. Also the specter of a 463 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: mother's and father's worst nightmare. Take a listen to what 464 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: the mom is, Brasie says. 465 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 11: Tala has he has some of the worst sex trafficking 466 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 11: in the state. And it's twenty minutes of Georgian So yes, yes, 467 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 11: I'm concerned, very concerned. 468 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: Joining me. Nicole Parton, Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't 469 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: it true that we have learned the night before she 470 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: goes missing, she and her dad we're at home as normal, 471 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: watching TV. No problem, correct. 472 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 4: That is correct, yes, sair now. 473 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: He then goes to work, and they're witnesses that saw 474 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: them there together chilling and watching TV. Everything was fine, yes, no, yes, correct. 475 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: Then he goes to work as usual at a nearby 476 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: prison facility and he works at the CI Correctional Institute. 477 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: He goes to work, everything's fine, locks the door, she's there. 478 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: He comes home the next morning and she's gone. 479 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 7: Yes, no, yeah, time stories with Nancy Grace. 480 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Now, Nicole Parton, there was one unusual circumstance that happened 481 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: the night before, early in the evening. Didn't the mom 482 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: show up at the house and that upset Laurie. 483 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 9: She did. 484 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: The mom showed up at the home and there was 485 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 4: an altercation to the point that her father, being protective, 486 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: called the police and said, can you please come out 487 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 4: and remove the mother from the home. The police were 488 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 4: not at their home all of the time. This was 489 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 4: a good man things, you know. It's not like the 490 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: cops were coming out every weekend. This was one incident 491 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 4: where the mom showed up, the father did the right thing, 492 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: called authorities and said, there's an altercation, my daughter is upset, 493 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 4: and the police came out and asked the mother to 494 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: remove herself from the home. 495 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy joining me, high profile family lawyer. I'm sure 496 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: this is not the first time you've seen trouble against 497 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: warring exes and the child is the casualty. 498 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 9: And these children at age twelve start to find their voice. 499 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 9: They haven't quite found their voice, but they don't like that. 500 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 9: They're going to want to be to a judge, be 501 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 9: to their teachers, and speak out about what they should 502 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 9: not be subjected to. And this little girl probably saw 503 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 9: something that traumatized her. 504 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: G Gie Summer's with us para professional Griffin Middle School 505 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: who knows Laurie very well. What do you make of it? 506 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: I believe that it was an upsetting incident because the 507 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 3: cops never showed up at their house. For the cops 508 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: to even have to be called would have been traumatic 509 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: in and of itself. And I'm sure after that happened, 510 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure her mind was whirling and she was trying 511 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: to figure out what to do and how to take that. 512 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 5: She turned to a stranger. Maybe she turned to a 513 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 5: stranger to process the experience, or somebody was already predating 514 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 5: on her, and at this point she had nobody to 515 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 5: process it with, which made her incredibly vulnerable to anybody 516 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 5: who showed love and wanted to talk to her. I 517 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 5: feel like Laurie may have been overwhelmed. 518 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 4: Even the bad grade. 519 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: She got on the standardized test overwhelmed her, and the 520 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: burden of it was far too great for what's normal. 521 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: And I'm sure the burden of what she just saw 522 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 3: and maybe even have felt responsible for would have weighed 523 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: heavily on her. And I know some kind here that 524 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: are overwhelmed. They flee that feeling of being overwhelmed. 525 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Bessie, What do you make of that? 526 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 7: Well? 527 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 5: I think what's happening with twelve year olds is that 528 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 5: they're slowly reassigning their attachments outside of the home, And 529 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 5: is this sorts the biological function of preparing them to 530 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 5: leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen, So already 531 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 5: they're looking outside the house. But this little girl, her 532 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 5: primary interest was with her parents. So you can imagine 533 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 5: your parents fighting and the idea kids blame themselves whenever 534 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: the parents fight, whenever a parent's neglectful or abusive. I'm 535 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 5: not saying these parents were. 536 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: I hear you, and I would love the opportunity to 537 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: psychoanalyze Lori Page, the twelve year old missing girl, but 538 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: we have to find her first, and right now she's 539 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: labeled as a runaway. She may have been upset that 540 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: her mom and dad were having this war, and there 541 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: was a verbal confrontation. The cops came out, blah blah blah. Okay, 542 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: but where is she? I mean, is it just me, Jackie? 543 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: Help me? We have to find the girl. I don't 544 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: need to figure out what she's thinking right now. I 545 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: need to find her and get her to safety. If 546 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: she was upset that night and went out and sat 547 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: on her front porch, if she went outside in the 548 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: front yard, where the hey is she now? Now? You 549 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: heard Margie Summers state that the computer was handed in, 550 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: so whatever computer she had was not the school computer. 551 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: But witnesses saw her on a computer watching TV with 552 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: her dad before she disappeared, before the mom came and 553 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: raised a ruckus. So where is she now? I think, 554 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: I hear Chris mcdonnaugh. Can we Psychoanalyzi's child later after 555 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: she's safe. 556 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 6: You're right, Nancy, And this is why, this is why 557 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 6: the fourteen detectives right now are realizing, Holy. 558 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: Yow, one of fourteen detectives would come on and make 559 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: a plea for her. You're right, critical turnings since his 560 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: child disappeared. 561 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 6: Right the critical turning point. 562 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: I mean, why did you, Margie Sommers, have to have 563 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: to form the search the search committee? Why did you 564 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: have to go out looking for her? Tell me about that? 565 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 3: Because other little girls, there's press conferences, there's rallies, there's 566 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: news cameras, there's all kinds of attention, and my student, 567 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 3: someone I cared about, was getting none. That's not fair, 568 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 3: not right. 569 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: A dam and thing, no pressers, no big searches, no 570 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: guys and women on horseback, no k nines. 571 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing, nothing, And luckily the media in my area 572 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 3: did take interest in the story, and shortly after we 573 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: them to help us, two news channels and the local 574 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 3: newspaper all ran stories when fourteen days after she went missing. 575 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: Okay, that was eight months ago. 576 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 3: Yes, it was eight months ago, and nothing's happened since 577 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: until the last week or so, and it's picked up 578 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: steam again. 579 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: Gee, I wonder why Okay, so, were there any sightings 580 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: of her that night? I do not know where was 581 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: she last seen? 582 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 4: Lasting at her home? And the home, yes, correct. 583 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: No neighbors saw her come outside. 584 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 4: That's correct. 585 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: This was in June June three, school had just ended. 586 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: No neighbors saw her outside, right right? Do we have 587 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: any idea Nicole parton Megan crying, Chris mcdonnad, doctor Bethley, 588 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, Margie Summers. Was a search done of the 589 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: home to see if any altercation had occurred, where any 590 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: windows broken? Was the law? Jimmy, do we know anything? 591 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: Was a home even processed? 592 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 4: And my knowledge the home was not processed. 593 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 6: But I can tell you what they were thinking, Nanci 594 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 6: what okay when they got there? And this is where 595 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 6: I was going. The critical turning point here is when 596 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 6: they look at the father and they say, tell me 597 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 6: about your daughter, and he tells them. The critical turning 598 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 6: point here is, Okay, twelve year olds don't vanish at 599 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 6: that moment eight months ago. They should have immediately turned 600 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 6: on all of the resources because at that point, everybody 601 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 6: knows you have a twelve year old who has vanished. Now, 602 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 6: they could have been thinking, well, maybe she ran away. 603 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter. 604 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: Why do we keep saying maybe she ran away. I 605 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: don't give a flying sig how this whole thing started. Okay, 606 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: go ahead, but it's critical. 607 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 6: Now when we look eight months later back and we 608 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 6: now see resources that should have been put on within 609 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 6: three hours of this child's disappearance. It should have all 610 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 6: been in motion back then, and it wasn't. And that's 611 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 6: a huge problem. That is a huge problem. 612 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: Well not only that, think about this, Chris, let me 613 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: throw this wrench into the works. If she's home alone, 614 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: no one is there to see what she's doing on 615 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: the internet. Margie Summers, what do you think about the clients? 616 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: She had no social media presence, she didn't text, she 617 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: didn't email. Nothing. 618 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: I never saw personally involved with social media. But I 619 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 3: will say she was smart, and all of the kids 620 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 3: at our middle school are tech savvy. There issued the 621 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 3: computer for the duration of the year, So to think 622 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 3: that she wouldn't know how to use a computer or 623 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 3: how to get on the internet would be categorically false. 624 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 3: All the children and I use the internet every day. 625 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 10: And we are childhood. We're seeing an uptick in human trafficking. 626 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 10: It's ramplant and that's where my head went first. 627 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 7: As well. 628 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: Is this Megan crying? Yes, Megan, okay, tell me about that? 629 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: And why was it stated by the mother that Tallahassee 630 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: is notorious for sex trafficking. It is close to the 631 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: Georgia Florida line, very close and close to I seventy five, 632 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: which takes you all the way from Florida to New 633 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: York City and beyond. 634 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: We have we're on itn We are exactly dead center. 635 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 3: It runs through the middle of our town. I can 636 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 3: runs all the way from Jacksonville to California. 637 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 10: And she sounds like Lauria sounds I'm sorry, amphy. 638 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: No, go ahead, please. What I was going to say 639 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: is I'm wondering I had a girl disappear from a 640 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: stadium arena a football game and you know they found her. 641 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: Her face popped up on an internet I want to 642 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: say dating website, but it was an escort site. This 643 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: child had been taken and was being pimped out of 644 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: a hotel. Yeah, that's so sad. 645 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 10: And that's why I think education is so important. And 646 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 10: we have the Child Help Speak Up the Faith curriculum 647 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 10: which schools Appascination can implement it and it teaches kids 648 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 10: that I'm old enough to remember the good touch bad touch, 649 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 10: and this is an offshoot of that. And we just 650 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 10: implemented a human trafficking prevention curriculum, so kids like Laurie. 651 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 4: If this did. 652 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: Happen based on a mega crying from child Help Dot 653 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: orgin Chris McDonough, we have no indication the child has 654 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: did yet. The police still think she didn't have a 655 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: social media presence. I don't know if she had a 656 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: phone or not. I don't think she did. So what 657 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: in the hey do we do now? I mean, if 658 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: it hadn't been for Marchie Summers, there would not have 659 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: even been a search. By the way, Margie, where did 660 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: you search? What did you do during your search? 661 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: We had some of the other teachers staff members from 662 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 3: the school got together and we handed out flyers in 663 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 3: the immediate area. And then also on other days, I 664 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 3: just went to some of the local convenience stores taped 665 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 3: them up there in case she popped in and out 666 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: for a drink or a snack, somebody would see her. 667 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 3: I also have the police. 668 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 4: Is there a place that we can look? 669 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: Is there anywhere that we need to focus to put flyers? 670 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 3: And they just had no search parameters at all. So 671 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 3: I had a couple apartment complexes, spoke to the managers, 672 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 3: gave them flyers in case they saw her in their 673 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 3: pool area, on one of the chairs, something like that. 674 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 3: But it was really really hard to know where to 675 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 3: look because there's just not any clues in any particular direction. 676 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, you know about what Margie Summer said, 677 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: Chris mcdonod, this little girl. The teachers got together and 678 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: did a search for her. Wasn't the police, as I said, 679 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: It wasn't ATVs and helicopters and he seeking so gnar. 680 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: The teachers got together. Why is this happening to this 681 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: little girl? Why hasn't anybody championed her? Is it because 682 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: she's black? Is that it that nobody cares. I'mout a 683 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 1: twelve year old little girl. I mean, look at her, Chris, Auntie. 684 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 6: Nobody ever, ever wants to see a child injured, hurt, harmed, etc. 685 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 6: And in this particular case, what you're doing is the 686 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 6: tip of the spirit of raising public awareness. Continuing is 687 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 6: what is necessary. And you know what the cops need 688 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 6: to do, and they're long overdue. It's a shame that 689 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 6: we're even having this conversation today. 690 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 9: Amen. 691 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,959 Speaker 1: They long over and I am so distraught. I could 692 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: not get anybody in that area except for Margie Summers 693 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: to speak up for this child. Nobody, nobody, guys, please 694 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: help us find this child. The tip line to help 695 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: find Lorie is eight five zero five seven four tips 696 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: eight five zero five seven four t I P S. 697 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: Please help us. Goodbye, friend,