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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: Singast IDEA short Sweet, What a great list today, Jeffer

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Speaker 2: you extended conversation, Greg Peters from Pigum, extended conversation Adam Posen,

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Speaker 2: We got him in there around Ted Pick of Morgan

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Speaker 2: Stanley with John and Lisa out at Davos. Just a

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Speaker 2: really terrific set of conversations. Jeff for you was just

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Speaker 2: brilliant on the asymmetry of a pair. Now, in the

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Speaker 2: equity market, it can be where's the bid, where's the ass?

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Speaker 2: As a pro you never forget the bid in the ask,

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Speaker 2: and they can move separately. It's like time stands still

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Speaker 2: the phrases, the bid walks away, the stock starts going down,

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Speaker 2: and your stomach turns over. In the currency market, it's

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Speaker 2: a pair a euro dollar. Does a dollar go up

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Speaker 2: in a strong dollar or is it a week euro?

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Speaker 2: Is it a week euro? Brilliant Jeffrey you of B

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Speaker 2: and Y on asymmetry.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to qualify something Tom said earlier that Trump

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Speaker 3: needs a weeker dollar. I'll say two things. Firstly, Trump

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Speaker 3: doesn't need a week of dollar. Trump needs other currencies

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Speaker 3: to strengthen. And secondly, if Trump needs a week of dollar.

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Speaker 3: He needs a weeker dollar in real terms, which also

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Speaker 3: means that other currencies other countries, especially China and Europe,

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Speaker 3: need to reflate better in a sustained fashion, in a

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Speaker 3: healthy manner. So those are the two things. And then yeah,

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Speaker 3: those are probably out of his control because that relies

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Speaker 3: on policies elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Reflates a really loaded phrase there. There's different types of inflation.

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Speaker 2: There's inflation as you know it. We live it every day.

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Speaker 2: Our team is apoplectic about the price of eggs out there.

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Speaker 2: There is disinflation DS disinflation, which is a lesser inflation,

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Speaker 2: and then there's outright deflation de deflation. Gary Shilling with

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Speaker 2: an iconic book on that, easy to read book on it,

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Speaker 2: where prices actually go down, and there's different kinds of deflation.

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Speaker 2: England has a heritage with us as many other societies.

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Speaker 2: Worry in China right now about deflation. Reflation are Reflation

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Speaker 2: is really undescribed. Reflation is some form of goofy process

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Speaker 2: to reflate, to push up, to goose up an economy.

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Speaker 2: And Jeffery you later in the interview, talked about they

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Speaker 2: have to go to their fiscal space they've got to

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Speaker 2: reflate through a sound, somewhat normal fiscal policy. Somewhat normal always,

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Speaker 2: Sarah Wolf at Morgan Stanley just brilliant. Ted Pick was

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Speaker 2: on from Davos. How do you think Ted Pick is

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Speaker 2: so smart? He reads Sarah Wolf in Morgan Stanley Economics.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Wolf on the topic at Davos tariffs.

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Speaker 4: It's a study of magnitude, and it's a study of timing.

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Speaker 5: If we look back to the exis the X axis.

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Speaker 4: Of course, if we look back to the twenty eighteen

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen tariffs, and you read the transcripts among the

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Speaker 4: FMC participants, they were broadly looking through the tariffs right

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Speaker 4: that it was a one off price effect, that it

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Speaker 4: wasn't going to be inflationary for the longer run, and

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Speaker 4: they were more worried about the following hit to growth

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Speaker 4: after the tariffs.

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Speaker 5: Can we do the same.

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Speaker 4: Thing this time?

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Speaker 5: Not necessarily, it's a little bit more complicated. If we're

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Speaker 5: phasing in tariffs over the course of this year, it's

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Speaker 5: going to be a lot more difficult to discern the

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Speaker 5: effects of tariffs versus the effects of just real inflation.

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Speaker 5: It's also going to be a price level increase that's

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Speaker 5: occurring over a longer period of time than normal, So

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Speaker 5: it's going to be more inflationary than what we saw

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Speaker 5: back in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, and so the Fed

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Speaker 5: might be in a position where they're going to have

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Speaker 5: to take cuts off if that's the case, or not

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Speaker 5: cut at all and kind of be on whole until

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Speaker 5: they see all the tears play out and what it

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Speaker 5: means for economic activity.

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Speaker 2: Sir well, Thematic Investing in Economics at Morgan Stanley just

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Speaker 2: a great, great lineup today. We're really starting twenty twenty

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