1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: back season three of All the motherfucking Smoke. Jack, what's 4 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: up with you, my brother? What's going on out there 5 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: in l a mane? Man? I can't call it, you know. 6 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I had to wait for the nanny to 7 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: get here, so Ash wasn't burning the house down before 8 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: we jumped on this interview with our brother right here. 9 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: But Man, shout, you gotta get shout out every time. Ashes, 10 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: crazy man running the house and two years old, but 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: it looks like he's five. Man. We got a man, 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: A special guest, A great guest, someone who shipped on 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: our two thousand seven dreams of going to the finals. 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: But someone I've always been a real big fan of. Man, 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: huge game, very underrated to me. Um just went about 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: his business in a cold way. Welcome to the show, 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: Darren Williams. Man, what's up with you? Man? I'm telling boys, 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on my boy. I can't complain. 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: What's life being like man? Since you've being retired. I 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: see your beautiful family. I follow you on Instagram all 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: the time. Super daddy duty, great husband. What's life been 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,279 Speaker 1: like since uh you stopp dribbling their ball? Well ship 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: a lot, uh you know for you know, the first 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: couple of years, it was kind of just figuring out 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: what the hell is next? You know, Um, I didn't 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: really want to, you know, jump into coach and I 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: needed a break from that that travel, that lifestyle. Plus 28 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: I had you know, my kids are a little older, 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: so I want to be able to spend time with them. 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: I got a daughter that's uh, she's off in college now, 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: got another one who's playing volleyball in high school and 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: doing the club circuits. So I want to you know, 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: be able to spend time with them and see them, 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, grow up. So kind of that's that's what 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: that's what you know, consumes a lot of my time. Now. 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I was playing a lot of golf, but kind of 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: took a step back from that. Lately. You finished playing 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: in what your sixteen fifteen seventeen you and not finished 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: the same year? What was that? What I mean, it 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: wasn't really like I need to hurry up and do something. 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: But how long did it kind of take you to 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: kind of find your rhythm? Because you gotta think we've 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: been pooping our whole entire lives, you know what I mean. 44 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Now you're now your mid thirties, your early thirties for you, 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: and now you still got more than half your life 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: ahead of you. What was that time like? What it's stressful? 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Was it boring? Was it fun? What was it like 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, I'm thirty seven now, actually, uh so 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm headed up. I'm headed to the forties with 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: you boys. Um waiting honestly, Honestly, the first the first year, 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of one of the things 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: where I was like, do I still want to play? 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: Do I do? I not? Um? And I kind of 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: just started traveling. You know. I was skiing a bunch. 55 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: I picked up skiing because it's something I couldn't do 56 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: when I was When I was I was playing, but 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: I always something always wanted to try, you know. I 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: was golfing a lot, kind of just staying busy like that. 59 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: You know, kids as well, and there's only so much 60 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: of that stuff you can do. Where you start you 61 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: start feeling, you start feeling like you're a mom. You 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: ain't what what what's you know? What is this what 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: my life is about? You know? Like you said, it's 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, we woke up every day with a purpose, 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: with a passion. And then you know they try to 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: tell you in all the meetings are the NBA meetings, 67 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: about how one day you're gonna wake up and it's 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: just gonna be it's gonna be over. And so, uh, 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, after about two years of that, and I 70 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: was just like, man, I gotta I gotta do something. 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: I can't just this all this idle time, and you know, 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: your mind starts wandering, started you know, doing crazy things 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: on you. Then I was going through a divorce at 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: the time, so all that you know, kinda kind of started, 75 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, creeping in my mind, started weighing on you. 76 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I gotta find something to do. 77 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: And um, I had always I had done a couple 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: of spec homes, you know, some some house building, and 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: all the moving I've done and living in the houses, 80 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: I started to develop a love for architecture and interior design, 81 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: and so I was like, man, I gotta this' that's 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: what that's what I love to do, is kind of 83 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, what I want to do. And so you know, 84 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: I started, you know, started building some spec homes out 85 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: here in Dallas. That's dope. Parkersburg, West Virginia. Tell us 86 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: about your upbringing, Um, shoe, I was. I was born 87 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: in Parkersburg, West Virginia, lived in Williamstown until I was 88 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: about about four years old, almost five, and then I 89 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: moved to Texas. My mom, um moved me to Texas. 90 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: My aunt was out here living and so you know, 91 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: I didn't spend too much time, um, you know, living 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: full time in West Virginia, but I did go back 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: every summer to stay with my grandparents and spend time 94 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: with them up until like seventh grade, til you know, 95 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: you reached that agevia you're like, oh, I just want 96 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: to be around my friends. Um. But but West Virginia 97 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: was fun. It was different, you know, I was I 98 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: was the only only person of my color in that town. 99 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: Uh town about about about three thousand. So I used 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: to get a lot of a lot of looks, a 101 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of little comments at the time. 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand until I got older. Um, but uh, 103 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, I definitely enjoyed my time there. Are you 104 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: just light skin or you buy racial? My mom's white, 105 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: dad's black. Yeah. Yeah. He was involved with wrestling growing up. 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: Why could you describe your younger self and what other 107 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: sports you was in besides basketball wrestling? And I grew 108 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: up playing everything, you know. I was just one of 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: them kids where I just wanted to. I just wanted 110 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: to whatever whatever the sport was that season, and whatever 111 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: my friends was doing, I was I was gonna do it, 112 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: and I was gonna I was in and it didn't matter, 113 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: it didn't matter. And yeah, wrestling was my Wrestling and 114 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: soccer were actually my first two sports. And I didn't 115 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: even really play organized you know, team basketball till I 116 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: think fourth grade. Um, so, uh, you know, wrestling actually 117 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: is my first sport. My mom, I get from my 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: uncle wrestled in high school, college and in the army, 119 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: and so she just, I don't know, she randomly just 120 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: asked me if I wanted to wrestle, and I was like, 121 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: all right, I'll try. I mean, I don't I was 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: like I was four, so I don't, you know, I 123 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: remember it, But she tells me the story and she's like, so, 124 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, you went to practice and you went out 125 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: there in your first match, and she said I had 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: to drag you out there because you was crying like 127 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: you didn't want to go out, and uh she had 128 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: to do that every match the whole season because she was, 129 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have no money, so she was like, 130 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: I paid for this. I signed you up and paid 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: for this exactly. And so every match, she said that 132 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: whole year, I went out, cried, cried on the way out, 133 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: went out there, I got whooped pent real quick and left. 134 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: And uh so the next summer she comes back and 135 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: she's like, she asked me if I wanted to do 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: it again, and she's expecting me to instantly say no, 137 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: and for some reason I said yes. And she said, 138 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: like halfway through the year, it was the same thing, 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: and she's like, here we go again, every match, crying, 140 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: And then I guess something about halfway through flipped. I 141 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: was sick of getting whooped and going home crying, so 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: I kind of flipped the switch and and uh went 143 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: the other way. You know, I'm a Texas boy myself, 144 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Speak on being from Texas 145 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: and being from Texas, who did you monther your game? 146 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: After Shure? I had a you know a lot of 147 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: guys I feel like I looked up to. I watched 148 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: a lot of basketball, a lot of college basketball and 149 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: so um a lot of NBA and I kind of 150 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: just tried to model my game after a lot of people, 151 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was. I guess I set myself a 152 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: student of the game at the time, and um, you know, 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: JA Kid was was a big influence on me. Gary Payton, 154 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of the bigger guards, 155 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the bigger guards. You know, 156 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: when you're you're kind of the same size of them, 157 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: and that's the trend at the time. That's who you're 158 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: gonna you know, you're gonna watch and and try to emulate. 159 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: But man, I was I was a fan of AI. 160 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I mean who wasn't who didn't want to who didn't 161 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: want to have to cross over like AI. I watched Starberry, 162 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: I watched Stevie franchise. Um. Man, I even watched guys 163 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: like Sam casell Um, you know, Baron Davis, Um. You know, yeah, y'all, 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: y'all's brother, we did. But you know, before that, I 165 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: was a fan. I mean I wore I wore five 166 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: in high school and him, him and J Kidd was 167 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: a big reason. Um, you know, I didn't have athleticism 168 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: uh b d there, But I was you know, I 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: was a little sneaky, definitely got it all. Yeah, so 170 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: high school star, you end up choosing Illinois. Was there 171 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: anyone else you seriously considered before picking there? Yeah? I mean, my, my, 172 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: my situation was a little crazy because I had kind 173 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: of had like a top UM top four. It was 174 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: Illinois was kind of number one, but but Dee Brown 175 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: had already committed there, and I'm like, why why y'all 176 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: still recruit me? And y'all got this little point guard 177 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: who's ranked ahead of me. I've never seen him play, 178 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: but he was ranked ahead of me. I'm like, I'm 179 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: not I'm not a two guard. I'm I'm a point guard. 180 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know. UM, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, 181 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: and Maryland were my top four and so I was 182 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: set to go on my uh my visits and the 183 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: day before I was supposed to the week I was 184 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: supposed to go to Illinois, UM nine eleven happened and 185 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: so that set everything back and I had I don't 186 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: know how many months I had to wait UM before 187 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: I could take a visit. But in that time when 188 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: I was waiting UM, the week before I was supposed 189 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: to go to Tennessee for my visit. Uh C J. 190 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Watson committed to Tennessee and then the day before I 191 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: was supposed to go, or the day I was supposed 192 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: to go to Georgia tech um Jared Jack committed and 193 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: then Maryland called me. It was like I had never met, 194 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: really met Gary Williams except for like at a tournament, 195 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: like saying hi. And they told me he wasn't gonna 196 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: be on my visit, and I was like, well, I 197 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: ain't gonna go. I ain't gonna go nowhere where the 198 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: coaching would be on a visit, I ain't met him, 199 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and and Steve Blake was already there, so it was 200 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: kind of like a It was a process of elimination. 201 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, Illinois was kind of my 202 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: top school anyway, so it worked out. So you started 203 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: with Bill self there right, was that your first year? Yeah? 204 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: Bill self and then he left after freshman came in 205 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: and really helped you developed your game along alongside playing 206 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: with Dee Brown and Luther Head. You guys had a 207 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: good young a good young squad because I was finishing 208 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: up right when you got into college. So I remember 209 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: you guys, what were some of your biggest takeaways from 210 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Coach Webber and then being able to play with two 211 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: future pros and Dee Brown and Luther Head. Yeah, honestly, 212 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: I was. I was almost I was like, I was 213 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: like pretty damn close to to to transferring, um after 214 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: my freshman year, after coach coach self left because he 215 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: was a big reason I went there, him and him 216 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: and Billy Gillespie, and he Billy Gillespie had had took 217 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: his first head job, you know, before my freshman year. 218 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: And then coach self left and then Bruce Webber came 219 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: in and I didn't really know much about him, um, 220 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: and nobody really did at the time, and then Coach 221 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: Webber loved him to death, you know, still talk to 222 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: him all the time. But he's a little goofy, and 223 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: so if you don't you don't really if you don't 224 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: know him, it's hard to understand them, you know, hard 225 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: to see where he's coming from as a coach, as 226 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: a person. Um. So it took me a little bit 227 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: of time, and I was I was pretty damn close 228 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: to transferring. But I'm honestly, I'm glad I didn't, you know, 229 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for coach both coaches, but really coach 230 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Webber because he definitely helped me flourish in his offense. Um, 231 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of built for me and kind of you know, 232 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: helped me prepare for the NBA. We ran in motion 233 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: with a lot of picking rolls, which at the time 234 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of a lot of college 235 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: teams were doing. And so it helped me learn learned spacing, UM, 236 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: learned the pick and roll game really well. Oh, and 237 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: then learning how to move without the ball, which definitely 238 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: came in handy when I got when I got to 239 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: Utah and playing in Jerry Sloan system. Junior year, you 240 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: lead your team to the national Championship game but fall 241 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: short to North Carolina and Raymond Felton. What do you 242 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: remember about your junior year, Um, and then that national 243 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: championship game? Yeah, I mean it was a crazy year. 244 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: We we finished that sophomore year, like I said, we 245 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: kinda we had a rough first half of the year, 246 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: I think just we were all adjusting to the new system, 247 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: new coach, UM. But we closed out that last that 248 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: last UM half of the season pretty strong, won the 249 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: Big ten Um Championship, and then you know, I had 250 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: a pretty successful run, lost to Duke in the in 251 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: the sweet sixteen, and so we kind of just built 252 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: on on on that momentum, you know, going into the 253 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: next season and started off you know, hot, about as 254 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: hot as you can, you know, didn't lose until the 255 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: last last game of the regular season. And I had 256 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: always had hopes of playing in the NBA, and and 257 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I was was good enough. 258 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: But I was never one of those guys that was 259 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: even in high school. I wasn't you know, highly touted. 260 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: I wasn't McDonald's. I wasn't you know most of the part. 261 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: I wasn't even top fifty besides a couple of little rankings, 262 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: and so I didn't I believed in myself, but I 263 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: wasn't seeing you know, my name on the draft wars. 264 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing any of that stuff. And and that season, 265 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, as we kept winning, UM, you could just 266 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: see my name just kind of slowly showing up and 267 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: showed up on second round and would show up on um, 268 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, late first round, and then all of a 269 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: sudden we get to the you know, we get to 270 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: the Elite eight, and I had that big game against Arizona, 271 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: having to come back against them, and UM made it 272 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: to the final four in the championship game, and my 273 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: name just kept kept climbing, UM, and just honestly happened 274 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: so fast because that season, you know, I feel like 275 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: that season blew by UM and we get to that 276 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: national championship game and fall short to I mean, they 277 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: were a stack team. So who was who was on 278 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: that Who else was on that team? Man? Yeah, yeah, 279 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: Sean May, Ray Felton, r Shan mccainns UM, Jawal Williams, 280 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: Marvin Williams, didn't even he was second pick in the 281 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: draft and he came off the bench. Um. They were 282 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: they were stating they had a good squad, and you know, 283 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: I still think we could have beat him, but you know, 284 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: they were the better team that night, for sure. But 285 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: you were one of those rare players. And it's funny 286 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: how you kind of just explained the same way, like 287 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: you were at your best in the NBA. You know, 288 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes people are at their best in college 289 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: and that's kind of the best of you, but like 290 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: the best of you was yet to come, which I 291 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: think is dope because you obviously became a star in 292 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: the NBA. But go ahead, Jack. You declared for the 293 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: NBA two thousand and five after that season. What was 294 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: that thought process like after that season, after Louis Uh, yeah, 295 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's it took it, you know it. I 296 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: had a little bit of thought of that maybe coming back, um, 297 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: just because I felt like, you know, we could still 298 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: be really good. Um. But it's hard when you're my mom. 299 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: At the time, she didn't have she she had lost 300 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: her job. I had a I had a child that 301 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: I had my freshman year. She was about to be too. 302 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: And you see that, you know, your guarantee top ten. Um, 303 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: it was kind of a no brainer for me at 304 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: the times. Yeah, I had to go get that money. 305 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: And so, you know, if it was like it is 306 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: now where these kids are getting paid and you know, 307 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: you can get some endorsements, it might have been different. 308 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: But at the time, you know, my stock was at 309 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: an all time high. You know, nobody expected me to 310 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: be a top five pick, and so, um, you know, 311 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: I had to strike while I was hot. So the 312 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: Utah Jazz had left you third uh CP three's in 313 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: that class draft class. As you mentioned, Marvin Williams went 314 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: right before you. Uh. Any memorable things happened draft nights, 315 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: crazy stories anything you haven't told nobody, Not really, not really. 316 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean I had worked out. I didn't work out 317 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: for Milwaukee. I think Andrew Bogan was pretty much a 318 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: locket Number one. Worked out for Atlanta. I thought I 319 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: had a really good workout and they needed a point 320 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: guard at the time because they had like three small forward, 321 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: power forward type players already. You know, I had your brother, 322 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: al um, Josh Childress, they had Josh Smith, and then 323 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: they end up picking up picking up Marvin. But um, 324 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, I knew it was either it was either 325 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: them Utah or Charlotte. But New Orleans or Charlotte because 326 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: I worked out for all those teams that were you know, 327 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: two through five. Um, but nothing, nothing really stood out, 328 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know. I knew. I knew CP 329 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: was was more highly regarded than me, and so I 330 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: figured he might go before me. But I knew Utah 331 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: was kind of um big on my size and having 332 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: a bigger, bigger point guard. M hm. So Salt Lake City, Utah, 333 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: what is that like for you? As what are you 334 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty at this point I was I had 335 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: just turned twenty one two days before the draft, so 336 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: what was that like culture shock, I'm guessing, Um yeah, 337 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: it was different. I mean, but uh, I feel like 338 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: I can live anywhere. I mean, I lived in Champagne, Illinois. 339 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: It's number corn fields out there, you know. And um, 340 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: I was I had, I had, I had a you know, 341 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: a girlfriend at the time who ended up being my wife, 342 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, one baby and another one on the way. 343 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: So I was kind of I think it was kind 344 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: of good for me, you know that you didn't have that, 345 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: didn't have that Atlanta nightlife, you know, things like that. 346 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: It helps you, uh, you know, stay more focused, you know. 347 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: And so I said you were like stacking you're allergic 348 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: condoms at a young age. Huh, yeah, you can say that. 349 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: You can say that I had I had four before 350 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: I was twenty six. Four kids. Jackie might be with you, 351 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: jack but then you definitely you definitely got him beat 352 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: then because he got not even my category. Yeah, he's 353 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: not even my category, he's not even So what was 354 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: what was your rookie experience? Like who was some of 355 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: the bets you had on that squad? Uh? So I 356 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: had I had, Like my vet vest was was note Pelosio. 357 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: He was probably one that that helped me the most 358 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: my rookie year kind of took me under his wing. Um. 359 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: And then I had Matt Heartpering, Greg Ostertag and then 360 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: you know Booze and and a K and Memo kind 361 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: of vets. But they were still you know, they were 362 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: like fourth year in. Um, we had a pretty pretty 363 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: young team besides besides you know, Matt Harpering and Ostertag, Um, 364 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: so we were ready to rock. What was that system like? 365 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: And obviously a legendary coach like Jerry Sloan? How hard 366 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: was it was? It was it a tough transition to 367 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: kind of fit in or did you kind of fit 368 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: in seamlessly? No? I feel like I fit in pretty seamlessly. Um. 369 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: You know, the hardest thing was with coach Sloan was 370 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: he he was one of those coaches that, um, you know, 371 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: he was super old school, so he wasn't just gonna 372 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: start a rookie just because you know he's picked third. 373 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, I remember to start the season, Keith McCloud 374 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: was the starting point guard and Milt Um. Milt and 375 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: me kind of rotated in. I would play a lot 376 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: with Milk one, one, two. But I mean the first 377 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: half of the season I was pretty much playing second 378 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: and fourth quarters. That's it, just twenty four minutes second 379 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. So I would I would in the game, 380 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: but I wasn't starting. And it still bothered me because 381 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: I knew I was I was the best point guard. 382 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I knew I was the best option. Um. But you know, 383 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: as coach Slan, he wants to make you earn it. 384 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: And I went through a lot of ups and downs 385 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: that season, a lot of a lot of frustrations. UM, 386 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: even a point where I was kind of I wasn't 387 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: playing well. I wasn't playing a lot. It's like one 388 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: game I played, I played a whole guy. I played 389 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: forty eight minutes, and then the next game I played eight. 390 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: And it's just I wouldn't I wouldn't know what And 391 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: I think it's not. I don't say it's him working 392 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: with me, but I mean it kind of was. And 393 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: that's what I think. That's what he wanted to see, 394 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: how you would react, how you respond. You know, Yeah, 395 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: and at the time you don't know this, you're t 396 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're twenty one years old. You're just like 397 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: that funk this. You know there's some bullshit. Um, But 398 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: when you look back on it. You know what, you 399 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: see what he's doing. He's he's trying to you know, um, 400 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: see what your character is, see how you're gonna respond. 401 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: And and I had to at once. I think it 402 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: was like All Star Break. I wasn't, like I said, 403 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know if I was gonna play. I didn't 404 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: know I was gonna play the one. I was gonna 405 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: play the two. And I took All Star Break, and 406 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know what, when you come back, 407 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: you just gotta no matter what you do, you just 408 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: gotta go out there and play hard, because that's what 409 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: he wants. He just wants you to play hard. Practice. 410 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: It was practice. I was competing like like it was 411 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: a game. I was gonna treat that like it was 412 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: a game. Shoot around we had to take for shoot around. 413 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: I was gonna treat that like a game. You had 414 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: one of those around, yeah, yeah. And so it took, 415 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: like I guess I think five games after after All 416 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: Star Break, where I just was, I was just going hard, 417 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: and then he ended up starting me and I started 418 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: the rest of the season. We missed. We missed the 419 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: playoffs by one game. I think we missed by one 420 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: or two games, which I believe we could have made 421 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: up for I would have started from the beginning, but 422 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: you know that's that's neither hear there. What was kind 423 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: of like your did you have like an all moment 424 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: your first year playing anybody that you kind of idolize 425 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: your look up to my first game, the first game 426 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: of the season, Jay Kid, Yeah, played Jay Kuld. I 427 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: had eighteen. Uh. I felt like I was on top 428 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: of the world after that game, you know, I was like, 429 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: I helped my own in twenty four minutes. So, um, 430 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: I think that that definitely helped my confidence. I always 431 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: knew that I belonged. I think from from from the 432 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: get go. M uh, as you said, you kind of 433 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: in and out, up and down, but you're still able 434 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: to make a first team All rookie. Um next to 435 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: Chris Paul the only one to receive Rookie of the 436 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Year votes. Was that, I mean not He's not really 437 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: a surprise because you knew you had it in you, 438 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: but the fact that it was kind of an up 439 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: and down first half you were still to make All 440 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: Team rookie was a surprise to you. Um No, I 441 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: mean I knew I was first team, but I don't 442 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: think I deserved to vote for uh for for Rookie 443 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: of the Year. I think CEP definitely had that, you 444 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: know he he you know, was kind of giving the 445 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: keys to the ship right away, um and and play 446 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: really well. So uh, my Loan, my loan vote was 447 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: Ron Boone, which was he you know, he was TV 448 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: for the Jazz. So shout out vote for that vote. 449 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: But but I don't think I don't think I deserved 450 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: it one thing about it. As much as I dislike 451 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: playing in Utah and being in Utah, Coach Loan loved 452 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: me bro He tried to actually he tried to give 453 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: me out there a couple of times. And one thing 454 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: I think the reason why he liked me because I 455 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: was able to thrive in that Pop system and him 456 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: and Pop are very similar with their coach at tactics, 457 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: like they'll they'll do a lot of things to you 458 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: as young players just to see how you're gonna react, 459 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: gonna react. They already know how you gonna react and 460 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: what's your response is gonna be, but they're still put 461 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: you through it just to see how you're gonna respond. 462 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: So that's one thing I respected about him because he 463 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: was a tough minded coach. As long as you played hard, 464 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: you gotta respect c P. I had a short stint 465 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: with the Clippers. But during that short stint we played, y'all. 466 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: And when I talked when for some reason for me, 467 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, I've always been a fan of you like me, 468 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: and you talked doing my career, doing your career, talking 469 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: about playing together d well, so but I know, for 470 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: some reason, it seemed like U n c P had 471 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: a battle to see who can cross each cross each 472 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: other over the most. So that game I played for 473 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: the Clippers, we played in Brooklyn, bro U n c 474 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: P the first quarter must have crossed each each each 475 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: other over about ten times a piece in these picking roles. Bro, 476 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: What what what? What? What was it with you and CP? Bro? 477 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: Was it was it just that the competitiveness, But it 478 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: just seemed like, yeah, I was trying to cross each 479 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: other over the whole game. Yeah, I mean I feel 480 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: I feel like I tried to cross everybody over. Stat 481 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: you know that. I mean, you know, it didn't matter 482 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: who was But I think I think, I think the 483 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: CP thing was it was a friendly robbery because we 484 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: had known each other since since college, um, and we 485 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: played each other in college they were number one at 486 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of that season or my junior year when 487 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: when we both left and we ended up we ended 488 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: up blowing them out, and we neither one of us 489 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: really had good games. But I feel like that's kind 490 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: of where where the rivalry started right there. And then 491 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: I think going going three and four in the draft, 492 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: one after each other, and and we were always linked 493 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: to each other, you know, throughout the media. You know, 494 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: they would always bring it up every game, and so 495 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely and and we were, you know, 496 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: to the up and coming point guards in the league. 497 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: So I used to get up for that game for sure. 498 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: I mean I get up for all the good point 499 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: great point guards, but but definitely, you know, against cp UM, 500 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: because you had to. You're gonna get embarrassed. Jack. I 501 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: think I remember that game too where he actually crossed 502 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: something over and had the audacity to try to dunk 503 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: on Blake and Ryan Hollands, and Blake caught that ship 504 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: with his r pit remember that dye. But if I 505 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: would have, if I would have made it, hey, that 506 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: would have been crazy because you were chested chance with 507 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: six eleven and seven one. But when I look, when 508 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I look back. Yeah, I should have tried to up 509 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: and under a scoop for something she was But now 510 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I like that you went hard, like fucking I'm gonna 511 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: try to dunk this bit. He was in the Western 512 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: Conference too, So what what what other matchups you look 513 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: forward to? You know, you had the Legs, you had, 514 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: the Spurs, you had, you know, the Mavericks. What are 515 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: the matchups you look forward to? Besides, I always like 516 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: to play Dallas and was like to play at home 517 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm from Dallas, so um, that was 518 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: always fun to go go home and play in front 519 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: from my family and friends. Definitely love playing against San 520 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: Antonio just because they were always the best you know, 521 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: UM and TP brought brought the best out of you 522 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: and and just that system you have to be locked into. 523 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: Play against the Spurs where you're gonna get embarrassed, um, 524 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: because they were just a well oiled machine. Um. Definitely 525 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: like playing against y'all um the Bay. Honestly, that was 526 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: one of the That's one of the craziest arenas to 527 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: playing when I was When I was playing at Oracle, Um, y'all, 528 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: y'all fans, y'all fans, they had to come up and 529 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: put um, well, they put security by my mom in 530 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: the playoffs because my mom was crazy too. She'd be 531 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: talking like she was like nobody talking about about me. Yea, so, 532 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: and my mom whistled. She got that loud whistle where 533 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: you you know, blow with your with your with your fingers, 534 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: and she was doing that in the game. And so 535 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: then this other dude started whistling in her like all close. 536 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: So she calls up the the ushers and she she's 537 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: explaining what's happening, and the usher basically ain't care, called 538 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: another usher down, told her to stop, she needed to 539 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: stop whistling, and in stood behind her and was whistling 540 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: in her ear. This this is during this during the 541 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: Western semis Um that this happened. But h man, it's 542 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: it's honestly like I feel like when I was when 543 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: I was playing, every night was was a tough match 544 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: up at my position. I mean, you had the sons, 545 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: you had Steve Nash, you know, Ai had come over 546 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: to in Denver, and before that it was Chauncey you know, um, 547 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: and so it was just I mean, every night was 548 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: was was a battle. So you helped in the three 549 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: year drought make the playoffs the two thousand and six, 550 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: two thousand seventh season. What was that first round battle 551 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: like with with Houston, Man, it was crazy, honestly, Um, 552 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: nobody nobody expected us to win that. They had Team 553 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: mac Man. Yeah, um yeah, way for Austin Bonds Wells yea, yeah, no, no, 554 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: nobody nobody expected us to win that. But you know 555 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: we took him to Game seven and on the road 556 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: and one down in Houston. Um, and so yeah, that 557 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: that definitely, I think I think that whole season was 558 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, it was a was a big confidence booster 559 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: for me because that's where I kind of started gaining 560 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: notoriety around the league and in the media. But I 561 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: think that that playoffs is what kind of gave me 562 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: my confidence, like that superstar confidence where you feel like 563 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: you're the best player on the court no matter who 564 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: you play, and you was definitely playing like it. So 565 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: second round we do the unthinkable and able to beat 566 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: Dallas to meet you guys in the second round. Um, 567 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: you guys beat us for they for too, you guys 568 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: beat us. But I'm not gonna lie. I really felt 569 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: like we got cheated by the rest in game one. 570 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: In Game two with all the mother, hold on, hold on, 571 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: hold on now, I would say we got cheated in 572 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: game two, but game yeah, game too now, But it 573 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: was to me, I mean, and Jack and I still 574 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: talk about this. I mean, your guys crowd was crazy, 575 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: sometimes crossed the line, but at the same time, we 576 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: loved it because, like you said, the bullshit that you 577 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: faced an oracle, like as players were thriving that like, 578 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: we love that kind of negative energy towards us because 579 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: it only gets us going more. But your guys crowd 580 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: was wild. The more of us were out there acting up. Boy, 581 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: That's that's what I hear. Man. So I never heard 582 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: anything racial or anything like that. That's that's what I 583 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: hear from everybody. So it's not like it's just one 584 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: or two players said this. I hadn't heard it. I 585 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: hadn't heard it from everybody. They're like, man, y'all fans 586 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: be saying whatever took us for real? Um, but yeah, 587 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: they were. They were crazy. I mean I remember my 588 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: first I mean, our crowd was always great throughout the 589 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,239 Speaker 1: whole season was honestly, it was amazing, but that my first, um, 590 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: that first playoff game that I ever played. And you 591 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: talk when I ran out I got chills on all 592 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: out of it because I wasn't expecting. I mean, the 593 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: whole the whole arena was already filled and they was ready, 594 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, had all the same colored shirts on, and 595 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: just man, you went out there and it just seemed 596 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: like the roof was about the blow off. You remember 597 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: the car board cut out the guy had of me 598 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: under the basket and the jail. Mr I remember, I 599 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: remember that Mr Wagby. Yeah, the LFE size. Let's to 600 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Mr Mr Wammy. He always had a little rubber chicken him. 601 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Not too long ago. I talked to him not too 602 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: long ago on DN and my dear, that's Dough a 603 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: one person who kind of I mean, obviously you guys 604 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: were loaded with yourself Booze or Cord Young millsap someone 605 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: who I think kind of got overlooked. But I know, 606 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: you know how important he was. Talked to us about 607 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: a K forty seven because to me, he changed the 608 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: whole dynamic. Jack and Beady were both rolling in the 609 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: first round and a K was someone who slowed both 610 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: of them down a little bit. But talk to me 611 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: about his versatility and how much he meant for your guys. 612 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: Team man listen, if a if a K had a 613 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: jumper insistent, I think he would have been the best 614 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: player in the league at the time, Like honestly, because 615 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: there's nobody it was they could fill up stats like him. 616 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean Lebron Lebron, But man, he just had he 617 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: just he was everywhere um defensively and then offensively. He 618 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: had he had a great feel for the game. He 619 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: was a great passer, great understanding of where to be 620 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: um and like you said, what he does on defense, 621 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he he changes the game. You know, he's 622 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: he's he's his help side defense is incredible. Uh. You know, 623 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: he raised a lot of mistakes with him because we 624 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: didn't have the say her shot blocker, you know we 625 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: had we had been Moan boo, so they neither one 626 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: of them was really shot blockers. It was a K 627 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: that would would come and help and at the time, 628 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, the three position was probably one that you 629 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: could help off the most in that area. Yeah. Uh, 630 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: but Bed did get him. That motherfucker was coming from 631 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: the week stide blocking everything. But Beati went on that 632 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: baseline that one time and got him. What were you 633 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: thinking during that dunk? I'm so sick of seeing that 634 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: ship and even this year that was the opening day. 635 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: They had shirts, they had posters, this ship was twenty 636 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: years ago. And then and then and then fast forward, 637 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: Steph dunks and pulls up his shirt like recreating it. 638 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: So then you know it goes back viral. Then you 639 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: got you got all these you got all these I 640 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: G s. You got throwback hoops, she got way back hoops, 641 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: she got pastime hoops. They showed it, and then and 642 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: then I feel bad because it's my dad fault. Terrible defense. 643 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, I mean if you're a shot blocker, 644 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna get guys. It's just it's a but it 645 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: was bad. Man. He smushed his nose when they showed him. 646 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: It's it's bad. Next that next that next year we 647 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: played on that first game. That's that's what was that 648 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: had posters cut out of that his smudged nose with 649 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: with Beati's hand on it. I was like, damn, my fault. 650 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: I was all I could do is say sorry. The 651 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: reason why I was so crazy though, because Beaty had 652 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: a bad knee, he had a bad back. He wasn't 653 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: supposed to play that game. Uh. All that, all that, 654 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: all that that was going on. He said he didn't 655 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: have it, he was back, was hurting, his knee was hurt. 656 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: He was gonna play all that and he come out 657 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: and do that. That that's that's what That's what really 658 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: shocked us because we didn't know. I didn't know he 659 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: had it in him. To be honest, yeah I did, 660 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't know. He didn't tell me 661 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: all that we was. I mean I literally was with 662 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: him every before every game, and I definitely didn't know 663 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: he was hurt. But you know, he ain't gonna say 664 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: that to me because I'm very possible. Yeah, you're gonna 665 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: go at him and take advantage of it. So you 666 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: guys were able to advance to the Western Finals first 667 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: time since ninety eight, since the Stockton the Malone era. 668 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: You face a tough uh San Antonio Spurs team. What 669 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: was that experience like for you? Man? It's a little 670 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: bit like yours. I felt like we were cheated. I 671 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: felt like Dick Bavetta got us in game games, game three, UM, 672 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: because we were down. We lost both games in San Antonio, UM, 673 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: and then had Game three and that was a game four, 674 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: Game three, Game four, I can't remember. No, I think 675 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: it was Game three because I think we went down 676 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: three three, oh, which I mean you can't really do 677 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: against him, But it was it was a good learning experience, 678 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: you know. And it was one of those where, like 679 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: I said, the confidence starts to grow. Um, I think 680 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: for us as a team as well. Um, And we 681 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: got to play against the champs. You know, they ended 682 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: up winning. They end up sweeping uh Lebron and the 683 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,479 Speaker 1: Calves in the finals, and so you know, we felt 684 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: like we felt like we belonged. We felt like honestly, 685 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: I think we could have we could have beat Cleveland. 686 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: If we would have, we would have got past San Antonio, 687 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: MM old dirty Dick Bavetta. Huh. Let's talk about the teammates, 688 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: Booze and Paul millsapp they tried to build them like 689 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: a stock him a long time connection with you and Boozer, 690 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, talk about that team and how all that 691 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: came together and how it was like playing with guys 692 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: like Mill Sapping or callers. Booze, Yeah, man, I mean, uh, 693 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: me and Booze definitely had a connection from from the start. Um. Offensively, uh, 694 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: He's just he was so good in the pick a role. 695 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: He's a very smart player. Um, you know, obviously went 696 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: to Duke, so most of most of them dudes know 697 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: how to play the game. You know, I understand where 698 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: to be on the floor. And you know, he was 699 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: a great finisher around the basket, could shoot that little 700 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: the little fifteen seventeen foot pull up and um, it 701 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: was a hell of a screener, that's for sure, big body. 702 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: So you know, he made my job easy. Um. And 703 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: then Paul mills at and I watched him, watched him 704 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: developed from from a guy drafted forty thinkt um who 705 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: nobody even really I didn't know who he was coming out. Um, 706 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: and just every year, you know, it just he just 707 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: got better, improved. And he's had a hell of a 708 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: career if you would have Man, he's still playing the 709 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: game right now at level you know, um, multi time 710 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 1: All Star, um, you know, and and it's fun seeing 711 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: him still still playing, hopefully hopefully be able to get 712 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: a ring. Mm hmmm. What was your relationship like with 713 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: Jerry Sloan. Obviously we're on the outside, so we only 714 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: hear the media perspective, and we know sometimes the media 715 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: perspective is off, but it was it was It was 716 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: seemed like a little back and forth between you guys, 717 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: and there was rumors that mid season he had uh 718 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: stepped down because some situations had with you guys. Uh 719 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: clear the air with your and Jared Sloan situation. Obviously, 720 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: rest in peace to Coach Sloan. Yeah, yeah, rest in 721 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: peace Coach Loan. Um. You know, I think our our 722 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: relationship was was definitely strained at the end. I think, Um, 723 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: I think I held onto that rookie year, you know, 724 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: not starting and not you know, the way he kind 725 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: of um, you know when I talked about earlier about 726 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: how you know he didn't really play me and would 727 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: play me, you know, a couple of minutes here and 728 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden I played. I think I took 729 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: that personally for a while, you know, when I was 730 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: younger and kind of held that, um, that grudge, and 731 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: so I think that that affected me a little bit, 732 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: and um, I was definitely a little shit at times, 733 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: a little little prima donna, and so um Also I 734 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: knew how Coach Sloan was, and I think I kind of, um, 735 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: we poked the bear, you know, just to see his 736 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: see his reactions to it. Was kind of like a 737 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: little back and forth thing. And you know ship that 738 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't do now or you know, knowing what 739 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: I know now. UM, but I always respected coach Sloan. UM, 740 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from him. UM, you know my 741 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: best years were we're definitely in Utah. Um, I definitely 742 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: my best basketball I definitely thrived in his system. And UM, 743 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: you know I got a lot of love and respect 744 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: for for him as a coach and as a person. 745 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: Did you guys have any conversations after your career or 746 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: just kind of once that situation and Utah kind of 747 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: fell away, That's kind of what it was. I ended 748 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: up meeting with him about I think about three two 749 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: and a half years ago, maybe two years ago. UM 750 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: the owner Greg Miller, old owner and and um GM 751 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: got got me to go out there and meet with 752 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: coach Loan and kind of clear the air and uh, 753 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: we're able to talk. But I had always wanted to 754 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: reach out. It's like one of those things where I 755 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: always knew I need to reach out and apologize and 756 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: to feel like, UM just kind of I don't know 757 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: if I was scared or just you know, you just 758 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: was Number one. Coach Sloan's intimidating even as even as 759 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: a grown as a grown man. It's like, you know, 760 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: because I was with him when I was so young, 761 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: it's like you always you know, looked at him differently 762 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: and um um. But I was able to talk with him, 763 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: you know. And and this is after he was diagnosed, 764 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, with dementia, and so he was you know, 765 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: definitely um regressing a little bit. And and you know, 766 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: our our conversations were kind of they actually got heated 767 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times. Well he got heated a couple 768 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: of times, and it's like almost like he was right back, 769 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: right back in the moment, you know, and I pissed 770 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: him off. I was like, oh, ship, And you know 771 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: Coach Loan, you know, Coach Solana fight you, no question, 772 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: and Coach Slon will fight you. I've seen him. I've 773 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: seen him try to go at Jerry Steakhouse for in 774 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: the game, Like, coach, I don't know if you're gonna 775 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: do that right now. Maybe that ain't the one, but yeah, 776 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: I was. I was happy I was able to to 777 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: get a chance, um before he passed, to talk with 778 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: him and apologize for you know, being a little ship. 779 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well I think it's dope. I mean, obviously 780 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: we've all had those moments in our career where in 781 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: the moment it seems like everything, but then when we've 782 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 1: got either down the line or after we're done, like, damn, 783 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: I definitely could have did this different. I definitely could 784 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: have acted this way different. But to me, it's all 785 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: about growth and maturity. But the only teacher is that experience. 786 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: So in the moment, like you said, you held onto 787 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: that ship from your rookie year because you knew what 788 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 1: it was. But then at the beginning of the interview 789 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: years just like he was kind of testing my mental 790 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: but at the time you didn't you were thinking about it. 791 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: You're like, funk this dude, man with the funk, I 792 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: should be out here playing. So I think it's dope 793 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: for you know, in any situation, you know, sports, life, relationships, 794 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: but to be able to kind of go back and 795 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: kind of find where you could have did better, you know, 796 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: or or what I could have did different to kind 797 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: of help the situation. I always think that's dope. February 798 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: twenty three, two thousand and eleven, You're traded to New 799 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: Jersey for Devin Harris and Derek Favors first round picks, 800 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: in some cash. How did you find out about it? 801 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: And what was your thought process on leaving the place 802 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: that you grew from a boy to a man and 803 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 1: and you talk, Yeah, it was tough, and that honestly 804 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: that shaped a lot of like the in the next 805 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: years for me, just because that's it was right after 806 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: the situation had happened with coach Sloan Um and so 807 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: I was getting killed in the media and and and 808 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: all that, and UM, I was in the training room 809 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: in Dallas in the hotel, taping for shoot around and 810 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: we were watching Sports Center. UM, because we're playing Dallas 811 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: that night. I was on back home, you know, got 812 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: like had a whole suite and like twenty other tickets 813 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: to the game, and UM, all of a sudden, it 814 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: pops across the screen because Mello had just been um 815 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: traded to the next And then it was like breaking news, 816 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: Darren Williams traded to the nets. And this is the 817 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: first time I'd even heard my name mentioned in the trade. 818 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: And so I called my agent and I was like, hey, 819 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: this just happened, Like what's going on. He was like, 820 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, this is my first time hearing it. 821 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: So he gets on the phone and then called me 822 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: back in like five minutes. He's like, yeah, you're you 823 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: traded and so UM it was like, oh, um, unexpected. 824 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: I had my young my youngest. UM was um my 825 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: my wife at the time was pregnant with my youngest 826 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: She was like seven months pregnant when when this happened. 827 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: So I end up having to pick up go back 828 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: get my stuff from from New York and I mean 829 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: from uh Utah and head to New York. And it 830 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a shot, you know, because 831 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm going from a team who we made the playoffs 832 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: in each of the four years, and I was going 833 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: to a team who, you know, didn't really have a 834 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: shot at making the playoffs. But you know, UM, I 835 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: just kind of took it as a challenge. Is um 836 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: trying to make him as as good as possible. So 837 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: you go there, You go to a team that not 838 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: really doing anything. You signed a big extension. You're you're 839 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: the next season there. If I'm not mistaken, right, you 840 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: signed a five year near a hundred million dollar deal. 841 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh you guys moved to Brooklyn. Uh jay 842 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: zs in the mix. Um, the win now mentality starts 843 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: taking over what was that transition, like going to Brooklyn 844 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: with this new energy and like you said, at first, 845 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: you didn't have no hope, but then there's actually you know, 846 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: you feel that you see like there's some light at 847 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. Yeah, I mean definitely, they 848 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: definitely had to win now mentality, um, and we're trying 849 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: to do whatever they could to you know, to put 850 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: together a championship team. I think you know, um, that 851 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: was always his goal from from the start when he 852 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: took over the team and kind of had an unlimited 853 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: budget and so you know you saw him spending money 854 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: and doing different things. Um. And you know it was definitely, Uh, 855 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 1: it was a different buzz when we moved to Brooklyn, 856 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, around the team and you know jay Z 857 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: was there, you know, a lot of games and opened 858 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: up the arena, you know, seven straight concerts. It was 859 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: just a lot of energy in the building, you know, 860 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: something that we we really didn't see in in uh 861 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, and it was fun. There was rumors, 862 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: was it any truth to uh, the White Hour possibly 863 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: coming and joining you there. Yeah. I mean honestly, I 864 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: thought it was a done deal. Um several times, you know, UM, 865 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 1: but I don't know what why it didn't work out 866 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: in the end, um, but it would have been I 867 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: think it would have been good for us. Man. That 868 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: would have been scary. That's before that's that's so that did. 869 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: He ended up going to the Lakers shortly after that, right, Yeah, 870 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: I think he's stayed like another year and then was 871 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: the Lakers he went to first? Or Rockets? Was it 872 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: the Rockets first? Somewhere? It just was It wasn't the nets? 873 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: Wasn't the net? What was it like? Uh, building chemistry 874 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: and getting a chance to play with Joe Johnson is 875 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: so Joe in a young Brook Lopez? Yeah, I mean, man, 876 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: it was great. We had a lot of talent on 877 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,479 Speaker 1: that team. Um, you know, Uh, Joe was the first 878 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: like two guards that I had ever played with that 879 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: was like a ball, you know, bald domin it great score. 880 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: You know, most of the guys I played with in 881 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: Utah were either shooters, complimentary pieces, you know, defenders, um, 882 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, three and D guys um. And so this 883 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: was my first time playing with with with a guy 884 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: in the backcourt who was you know, you know, on 885 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: the same level as me, and um, you know, it 886 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: was definitely fun playing with Joe, he made the game easy. Uh, 887 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: still getting buckets to this day wherever. I mean, the 888 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: dude was just so strong, so talented, had ice in 889 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: his veins, you know, love that that that uh to 890 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: take the last shot. And then you know, it was 891 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: fun watching Brooke developed too, you know, and and um, 892 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: you know he was young and you know a lot 893 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of it. Took a lot of stuff 894 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: from the media for his lack of rebounding, but what 895 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: he what he didn't do rebounding he made up for 896 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of other things. And he was very talented. 897 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 1: You know, back to the basket guy and shoot if 898 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: he would have been shooting. I knew he could shoot 899 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: threes back then, but he wasn't doing it because it 900 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: it was it wasn't like that and not not not 901 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: like that, not like it is now. And uh, same 902 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: thing with Paul millsapp when I played with him, he 903 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: could shoot him, but he never did. And uh, but 904 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: I was I was actually happy for Brooke when he 905 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: got one this year. Yeah, that's dope. So what's your mindset? 906 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: Two thousand thirteen, You guys pick up KG and Paul 907 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 1: Pierce obviously the win now mentally what were your initial 908 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: thoughts hearing that you're getting, you know, two feature Hall 909 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: of Famers. I was excited, you know, and and you 910 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: know it didn't It didn't work out, Um, And that's 911 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: what everybody looks at. But I easily feel like it 912 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: could have worked out just the same. Um. We just 913 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: were hit with injuries. You know, Brooke end up breaking 914 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: his foot and was out most of the season. Um 915 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: Paul had got hurt. I started out the season hurt. 916 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: Injury just kind of hit his KG was. I mean, 917 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: Kg is one of the toughest Dude've ever been around. Man. 918 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean those days where his it's like he was 919 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: dragging his knee, you know, around in practice and you 920 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: have to they have to kick him off the court, 921 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, the trainers had to come out there and 922 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,879 Speaker 1: like physically removed him off the court because he didn't 923 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: want to get off the court. And we'll be and 924 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: we'll be mad, Um, And so it's just it's one 925 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: of those things where we we started off the season terrible. 926 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: I mean, we were like the laughing stock of the 927 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: league for a while and end up um, you know, 928 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: having a great second half of the season, and then 929 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: UM end up losing to Miami team who obviously wouldn't 930 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: won the championship. But you know, I feel like as 931 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: much flak as we got for not not being what 932 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: we should have been, it could have if if if 933 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: the injuries didn't happen the way they did, you know, 934 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: we could have been really really uh. I mean that 935 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: was so that was you at the point, Joe at 936 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: the two, Paul at the three, Kg at the four, 937 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: and Brook at the five. Right, yeah, man, yeah, what 938 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: is I mean? You spoke to Kg's toughness and mentality. 939 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: He's a part of the Showtime family. Now what were 940 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: you remember anything particularly You might have learned from maybe 941 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: those a little bit later in your career, but to 942 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: me being around him, I'm always like a sponge. Anything 943 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: you remember that you kind of learned from KG, it's 944 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 1: just his I mean, honestly, his work ethic, his work ethic. 945 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,959 Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of a lot of guys 946 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: with with crazy work ethics, and I put his, you know, 947 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: up there with him. You know, and even though he 948 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: was you know older at the time, you know, he 949 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: was older than a lot of the guys who I'm 950 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: talking about. The bronze Um of the world, but his 951 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: work ethic was he was one of the first in 952 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: first last to leave. You know, what you want from 953 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: a leader. You was way by the nest and they 954 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: brought you out. What were you thinking after that? Like 955 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: it was kind of a mutual thing where I thought 956 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: it was time for me to go. Um. I just uh, 957 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: I felt like my time and ran his course there. 958 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: You know, I was dealing with injuries. I wasn't I 959 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: wasn't playing up to my contract, which was you know, 960 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: um not. It's a hard pill to swallow, but but 961 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: it was true. And I just need to kind of 962 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: a fresh start, you know. I kind of at that 963 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: point I started I started really not loving the game, 964 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, um just because you know, it wasn't even 965 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: like everybody thinks so I couldn't handle New York. It 966 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't that, it wasn't the media. It was 967 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: more the pressure that I put on myself, you know, 968 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: and and um, I had a lot going going on 969 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: in my home life that you know, people don't know 970 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: about or would never know about. And um, and so 971 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: it was just somethinghere. I just needed to change the scenery. 972 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: Um and ended up going to Dallas, back home um 973 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: and kind of found that love for the game. Again, 974 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 1: touch on this because we had a chance to talk 975 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: to Isaiah Thomas about this and you briefly touched on it. 976 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: But the mental of this game is out of this world. 977 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 1: I you know, I coached my kids now and I 978 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: tell them, you know, ship everybody could play. What's gonna 979 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: set you far to get you get you to that 980 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: next level is that mental approach. So when you're mental 981 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: is still as strong as it's ever been, but then 982 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: injuries start piling up, Like, how tough is that to 983 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,439 Speaker 1: kind of deal with? Because like you said, it wasn't 984 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't SI about the media. Everyone said the New 985 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,399 Speaker 1: York media is tough. If you could hoop, you could hoop. 986 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: But when you're when when your mind is as sharp 987 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: as it's ever been but your body is still not there, 988 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: How tough is that for an elite player like yourself? Well, 989 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: it's tough, man Um. For me, it's like, uh, like 990 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: you said, I I had these injuries and they just 991 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,399 Speaker 1: it just kept happying, just like a little nagging. That's 992 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: like I didn't I never had the you know, tear 993 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: the A C L and have to come back. It 994 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: was just always like I had the chronic ankle sprains 995 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,240 Speaker 1: and my ankles were swelling up the size of softballs. 996 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: At night, I could really walk up the stairs, and 997 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: then I would go to do a layup, and it's like, 998 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm not even getting any left on my on my 999 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: on my layups. I can't get to spots where I'm 1000 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: normally you know, used to getting to. And it's kind 1001 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: of like you get that self doubt once, that self 1002 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 1: doubt preas in you know, um, it's something that I 1003 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: never really had. I had always been able to all Right, 1004 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: I had a bad game, I'm gonna shake it off. 1005 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: But these these games, you know, started piling up and 1006 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: started messing with you. And then I remember, I remember 1007 00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: when I was in New York when d Rose was 1008 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,399 Speaker 1: going through his stuff and he, you know, thought about 1009 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: walking away from the game. And I had already had 1010 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: that thought, you know, several times where it's like, man, like, 1011 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 1: my my mentor is so messed up that I was 1012 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,319 Speaker 1: just like, is it even worked it anymore? I'll walk 1013 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: away right now. They can have the money. I don't. 1014 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't care, um, And so you know that that 1015 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: stuff kind of started setting in, and so when when 1016 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: we came up with the resolution of the buyout, I 1017 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: was kind of I was. I was excited because, yeah, 1018 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: I gave up some money, but I just needed a 1019 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 1: I needed a fresh start. I needed a different, different perspective. 1020 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 1: So you landed Dallas. UM talked to us. You're back 1021 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: home now, you said, you find that you find the 1022 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: love for the game again. Um, what what was it 1023 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: like being in Maverick? That was great? You know. Um, 1024 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: I enjoyed planning, playing in Dallas. I enjoyed playing for 1025 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: for Cubes and and playing with Dirt. You know, Dirk 1026 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,320 Speaker 1: is Is. You know, he's a good one. He's a 1027 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: great one. Great dude. UM couldn't play with um, you know, 1028 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: all the guys, just a great group of guys there, 1029 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 1: and UM, you know, I started to fall in love 1030 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: with the game again. But at the same time, I 1031 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 1: still was was getting these injuries, these nagging injuries. UM, 1032 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: that kept me from you know, being who I was. 1033 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: February twenty seventeen, you signed with the Calves, got a 1034 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: chance to play with the game Lebron James. What was that? 1035 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: What was that experience like? It was great? I mean 1036 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: I had played with with Lebron and two Olympics and 1037 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: so um, you know, of course I knew him and 1038 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: and knew what he brought to the table. Um, and 1039 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: it was great. Man. Um, when I talk about work 1040 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: ethics there, besides Kobe being around him in the Olympics, 1041 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron has has the best work ethic that 1042 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: I've ever been around. And then his mind, his basketball 1043 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 1: mind is unbelievable. You know, I consider myself, you know, 1044 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: a pretty smart human when it comes to the game 1045 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: of basketball and seeing things and understanding things. But his 1046 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: his mind works differently. And I've seen people talking here, 1047 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: I've heard people talk about it and seeing people talk 1048 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: about it on TV. But until you were actually, you know, 1049 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 1: there with him day in and day out, going over 1050 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,280 Speaker 1: game plans, um, seeing him call out all the teams plays. 1051 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's just on another level. The way he's prepared, 1052 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: how he prepares himself, and um, it's what makes him 1053 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: so good, not not only the physical gifts he has, 1054 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,399 Speaker 1: but you know, his his mental approach to the game 1055 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: as well. Have you ever, I'm sure you have, But 1056 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: what it thought it? What it would it would have 1057 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 1: been like you and your prime getting a chance to 1058 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 1: play with that team and what kind of trouble you 1059 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,399 Speaker 1: guys would have cost for for sure? I mean, um yeah, 1060 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean it definitely did. Um, And it was that 1061 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 1: was a tough situation for me because I came, I 1062 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,879 Speaker 1: came in and fed worry, you know, over halfway through 1063 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: the season, and of course Kyrie is there, um and 1064 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: so you know, my my minutes we were very limited, 1065 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: and I'm in a role that I had never played before. 1066 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,839 Speaker 1: You know, I'm used to having the ball in my hands. 1067 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm used to making things happen. And there I was, 1068 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, I was either running you know, pick and 1069 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: roll every now and then, or I was you know, 1070 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,359 Speaker 1: spotting up in the corner. And um, so I didn't 1071 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 1: have the greatest you know impact, especially in the finals. 1072 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,840 Speaker 1: I had you know, pretty shitty finals. But even that, 1073 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,240 Speaker 1: I wish, not even being in my prime, just wishing 1074 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 1: I had a whole season to play that role too, 1075 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 1: to learn how to to force in that role, you know, 1076 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 1: to get confident with just you know, being able to 1077 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: come in and knock down shots. You know. Um, you 1078 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: know you guys know those those you know, you came 1079 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: off the bench a lot. It's tough. It's tough to 1080 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: to sit over there for twenty five minutes and then 1081 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: come in the game and you got to hit you know, 1082 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: shot when it's thrown to you, or you might not 1083 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 1: get another you might not get enough a shot. And 1084 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: that's what it depends on, you know what I mean. 1085 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: So to me, like you said, it was easy for me, 1086 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, starting and then going to the bench, but 1087 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, kind of my job was to 1088 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: do that. But you're like, again, you're someone who has 1089 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: had the ball in his hands his whole career, making 1090 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: plays and then being able to get your own when 1091 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: you want. So when you're coming into a situation like 1092 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 1: that with two superstars already great team, you know what 1093 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, damn, at the end of 1094 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 1: that season, you guys lose to Golden State. Um, did 1095 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 1: you know right then it was time? No? UM, I 1096 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: think I was a little discouraged just because of of 1097 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,719 Speaker 1: the role I had, and um again, I had a 1098 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: lot going on in my personal life that I just 1099 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: felt like, Um, between my all the injuries, it's like 1100 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: I felt like I I felt like I was at 1101 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,560 Speaker 1: the point where I couldn't make it through a season 1102 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,800 Speaker 1: without getting hurt. And I didn't know mentally if I 1103 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: could take that anymore. You know, just the impact that 1104 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: had on me. Um. And so I feel like me 1105 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: stepping away from the game was more you know, mental 1106 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,239 Speaker 1: mentally for me than anything, just because of the place 1107 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,120 Speaker 1: I was at mentally, and I felt like it was 1108 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,520 Speaker 1: it was the best thing to do. Yeah, I think 1109 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: of that member of the USA to two eight Olympics 1110 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: when I'm beating on the way to winning back to 1111 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: the gold medal after defeating Spain and living up to 1112 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,400 Speaker 1: the redeemed team, what was that experience? Like, it's incredible, 1113 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I think I was only like twenty 1114 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 1: four at the time. So um, you know, for me 1115 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 1: to be able to be on that team, UM with 1116 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,479 Speaker 1: with guys who I grew up watching, like Jason Kidd 1117 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: and you know, team up with Lebron and Mellow CP 1118 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: and d Wade and those guys, Um, it was unbelievable. 1119 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: You know. We had a lot of we had a 1120 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 1: lot of expectations, um, because it was it was you know, 1121 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: it's been a while since the you know, USA took 1122 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,320 Speaker 1: gold home and so there was a lot of pressure 1123 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: on us. But at the same time, we felt like 1124 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,439 Speaker 1: we had the best team, you know, UM, hands down 1125 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: and UM put a lot of pressure on ourselves and 1126 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,279 Speaker 1: and coach k did a great job with coaching us UM. 1127 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,839 Speaker 1: But but that experience is one it's probably my I mean, 1128 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 1: both those gold medals were um, you know, uh meant 1129 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: a lot to me. But but that first one, getting 1130 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: that first one and being the redeem team, I think 1131 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,800 Speaker 1: that meant a lot and definitely my best moment as 1132 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: as a basketball player. What's the backstory on the vibe 1133 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: Vibe Vito that came out you and Boston beating Hamburgers 1134 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,080 Speaker 1: at the gas station. I don't even remember, honestly though, 1135 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't know who took the video, Probably the way 1136 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 1: because he always had a camera on him. He stayed 1137 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: with the video video camera the whole the whole trip. 1138 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: And I heard he has a maybe a documentary coming 1139 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: out from that trip, so hopefully that that comes out. 1140 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just I guess a little were 1141 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: we stopped at like a gas station, um, somewhere to 1142 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: get food. We're on a little road trip, and got food, 1143 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that video keeps keeps popping 1144 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,919 Speaker 1: up at every keep keeps circulating every every couple, couple, 1145 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 1: of months. So you guys ran it back in two 1146 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. Um, obviously the games are fun, you guys, 1147 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure. But what is it like 1148 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 1: on your downtime. I'm sure that that that's the time 1149 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: where it's it's fun, it's jokes, it's ship talking, it's 1150 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,400 Speaker 1: it's reminiscing any dope stories off the court from those 1151 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 1: teams either oh eight or two thousand and twelve. Honestly, 1152 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 1: like the the most the most fun thing about you know, 1153 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: all these trips are the stuff we did, you know, 1154 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: um off the court. Um. You know, we had great meals, 1155 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,520 Speaker 1: We had great, great card games for a little bit 1156 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: of cash, a little little bourey, little guts um. Now. 1157 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 1: I remember I remember going through Spain. We were in 1158 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: Barcelona before the London Olympics. It was like me, James, 1159 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: Katie and somebody else and we were riding segways just 1160 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 1: through Barcelona. It's all on the down the boardwalk, on 1161 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: the beach, you know, just things like that man just 1162 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: just kicking it off the court, um, you know, is 1163 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: some of the best moments I have from from both 1164 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 1: of those experiences. How challenging were those practices when you 1165 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: guys had your inner squads. They're unbelievable. Um, I mean 1166 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 1: you got you got fifteen of the most competitive dudes 1167 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: in the world, or twelve. I guess we only had 1168 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,479 Speaker 1: twelve people, but twelve twelve were the most competitive dudes 1169 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: in the world. You know, on one court. So of course, 1170 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, being led by by by Kobe and Lebron, 1171 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, those practices are gonna be intense. You know 1172 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: how coach k is. You've you've heard how coach k 1173 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,080 Speaker 1: is as a coach, and so man, it's it's you. 1174 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,240 Speaker 1: The practices were amazing. The shooting games after after practice 1175 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: were competitive. I mean there was there wasn't nothing we 1176 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: didn't compete in when we were when we were together. 1177 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean that's just fast. Mm hmmm. So transitioning to 1178 00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,440 Speaker 1: post career managing multiple businesses, but one thing I thought 1179 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,080 Speaker 1: was dope that you own an m m A gym. 1180 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm a huge m m A fan. You own a gym? 1181 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 1: You just sparring yourself. Obviously you had an early love 1182 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 1: with wrestling for your mom, But where did your love 1183 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,400 Speaker 1: from mm A come from? Well, that's kind of bit. 1184 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, I mean I've been a 1185 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,520 Speaker 1: fan of mm A for forever, you know, and I 1186 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: think I kind of gravitated towards it because of my 1187 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,400 Speaker 1: wrestling background and you know how big of a part 1188 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,720 Speaker 1: that plays in M m A and so, um, I've 1189 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: always been a fan and I've been training for you know, 1190 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,120 Speaker 1: about eight eight nine years. Um. It's always a good, 1191 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 1: great way to stay in shape. And once I once 1192 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 1: I stopped playing basketball, I picked up my training. Um. 1193 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, I was training probably you know, four or 1194 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 1: five times a week for a while, but just kept 1195 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 1: getting hurt saying it, say it was a basketball court. 1196 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: But I gotta I gotta tell myself, I'm not I'm 1197 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 1: not twenty three anymore. Um, But I just I just 1198 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 1: love the sport. Um. I love watching it, I love 1199 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: participating in it. And then you know, we have a 1200 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,760 Speaker 1: bunch of men and women at our gym that are 1201 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: that are fighting in the UFC, and so UH enjoy supporting. 1202 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Now that's what's up. I'll talk kind of the current 1203 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,480 Speaker 1: landscape and how boxing him M m A are kind 1204 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: of colliding now for these whether you want to call 1205 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,800 Speaker 1: them influencer fights or whatever you want to call him. 1206 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,680 Speaker 1: But you know, the t Woodley's and Nate Robinson, the 1207 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: Jake Paul Way, the Logan Paul Way. What are your 1208 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 1: thoughts on kind of m m A intersecting with boxing. 1209 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, you know, because there's a there's 1210 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth going on between you know, 1211 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: boxers and mixed martial artists. Um. And and for the 1212 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,600 Speaker 1: most part, you know, a boxer is gonna win a 1213 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 1: boxing match against the m m A guy, you know, 1214 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: it's just facts. Um. At the same time, if you 1215 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: put a boxer in the m m A uh cage, 1216 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,760 Speaker 1: they're not They're not going to survive, you know. And 1217 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: so UM, I think it's interesting to see where it goes. 1218 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: I think it's just the beginning of it. And now 1219 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: you have, like you said, you have these celebrity you know, 1220 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,200 Speaker 1: boxing matches and things of that nature that are catching on. 1221 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,960 Speaker 1: And you know, as goofy as you might think they are, 1222 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 1: as stupid as you might think they are, people tune in, 1223 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,520 Speaker 1: people watch it. I know I watched it. I certainly 1224 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 1: watched it. I would love to do one, y'all. Y'all 1225 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:15,040 Speaker 1: find me opponent you because there they're fun, man, I 1226 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: think it it so it all brings notoriety to the 1227 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: sports you know, and and and brings attention to it 1228 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 1: and brings press and like like like you guys know 1229 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: all press is good press, tell us and tell us not. 1230 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,160 Speaker 1: So what's the biggest difference between today's game and when 1231 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,600 Speaker 1: you win your prime? You feel I would have loved 1232 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: to playing today's game, Like in my prime, I can't 1233 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: touch you wide open court, man, I mean, but just 1234 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: it's the it's the it's the confidence, you know. I've 1235 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: talked about it before, Like I played for an old 1236 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: school coach. Coach Sloan hated early shots he did, and 1237 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 1: I could get away with more than than most people. 1238 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,040 Speaker 1: I think, oh my, you know on my team for sure, 1239 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,960 Speaker 1: where I could come down in the five if I 1240 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 1: saw early three, I could take it. But if I miss, 1241 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, two of them in a row, he wouldn't 1242 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: be happy. And now today, like those are all good shots, 1243 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,360 Speaker 1: and these guys just have they have the utmost confidence 1244 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: to do anything out there. And so when you have that, 1245 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,600 Speaker 1: when you have that confidence that you can take no 1246 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,320 Speaker 1: matter what shot you shoot, you know, it's a good shot, 1247 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,480 Speaker 1: that opens up a whole whole new can of worms. 1248 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,919 Speaker 1: M hear that, who are some of the point guards 1249 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 1: and players, uh, you know outside of the Lebronze that 1250 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:39,200 Speaker 1: that that you enjoy following these days, I mean shifts everybody. 1251 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 1: I still love watching Steph Dame. Um. I like that 1252 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 1: that young kid job Morant. I think he's gonna be special. 1253 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,040 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be, you know, really special. Um LaMelo. 1254 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,120 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be gonna be good. Um. But 1255 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,840 Speaker 1: it's I mean it's the same as as when I 1256 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: was in the league. I mean the point guard position. 1257 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,320 Speaker 1: You go around the league, there's not a yeah, there's 1258 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,120 Speaker 1: not a point guard where you're you're like, oh, he's 1259 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,320 Speaker 1: maybe one or two where you're like, oh, they shouldn't 1260 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 1: be starting or they're not a starting point guard. For 1261 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 1: the most part, everybody's a dog. Everybody's a dog. Anybody 1262 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,480 Speaker 1: out there you see yourself to see that you reminds 1263 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,520 Speaker 1: of a young d will mm hmm. Everybody says, friend 1264 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: Van Fleet, y'all just look alike, he ain't big enough, 1265 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:30,120 Speaker 1: he ain't big enough, tall enough. You know. I feel 1266 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,200 Speaker 1: like it's shifted. I mean that's that's the biggest thing, 1267 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 1: is the prototypical point guard. When I was you know, 1268 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: that big point guard is kind of it's kind of 1269 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: gone away. You know, it's more about you know, being quicker, 1270 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: more athletic. You know, there's not the post up game. 1271 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,160 Speaker 1: Isn't it as as prevalent as it was when I 1272 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 1: was playing, And so it's just a different game. It's 1273 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,720 Speaker 1: a different game. We're gonna put you on the spot 1274 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 1: right here. Still we're still obviously you haven't even started 1275 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: training camp is around the corner if that hasn't started already. Uh, 1276 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,360 Speaker 1: your East in your West picks saying that all teams 1277 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 1: stay healthy, which probably will happen. But if everyone stays healthy, 1278 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: who do you got coming out of the East and 1279 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,960 Speaker 1: you got coming out of the West. That's that's a 1280 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:16,400 Speaker 1: no brainer. That's no The Lakers in the in the nets, 1281 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 1: right and who do you like it? Like? If it 1282 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,920 Speaker 1: goes down seven games, who you got if they're if 1283 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 1: they're all healthy, that's against against the next in lines. 1284 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I can't I could. It's like betting 1285 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,760 Speaker 1: against Brady. You can't bet against Brady and I can't 1286 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,920 Speaker 1: bet against Lebron. Very true, even though it's tough because 1287 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,520 Speaker 1: you get a healthy Katie man, they're loaded healthy Katie, 1288 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,800 Speaker 1: healthy Kyrie healthy James. Offensively, they're bad offensively better but 1289 01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: I think defensively and I know how, I know how 1290 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: Lebron locks in them. Yeah, I'm going Lakers because he's 1291 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,880 Speaker 1: in the playoff. Who y'all got I mean, I'm really 1292 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. You mean to me, it's 1293 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 1: obviously health, it's going to be important. It's very hard 1294 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: to go against Lebron. But then again, it's very hard 1295 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: to go against a healthy Brooklyn Nets team. And if 1296 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Kyrie is locked in and James is getting on all cylinders, 1297 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,560 Speaker 1: man like, that's the best offensive treer I think we've 1298 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 1: ever seen in the history of basketball, hands down. So 1299 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: and what's and what's the scariest thinking about all both 1300 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,479 Speaker 1: these teams now is none of these teams are called 1301 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,880 Speaker 1: coming together mid season. They're getting training camp together. So 1302 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be scary to see how how these teams 1303 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 1: come out from the jump. If you had to choose 1304 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,440 Speaker 1: one dark horse, a dark horse, who would you have, 1305 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the Warriors. I'm not mad at that. 1306 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at I mean, if Clay is healthy, 1307 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,920 Speaker 1: if if if Steph is I mean, you see what 1308 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 1: he was doing towards the end of last year. Um, 1309 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,120 Speaker 1: you gotta you can't forget a about them, and they're 1310 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,960 Speaker 1: gonna make a trade. Wise, they're gonna make a trade. 1311 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: I'll just but I think they'll make a mid season 1312 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 1: or trade deadline move to to put them right in position. 1313 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Who's going to Wiggins? Wiggins? Who knows? Who knows? It 1314 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 1: depends on what you get back. I mean they they 1315 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: got a lot of pieces too, good young pieces, which 1316 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 1: is gonna help them if they really make a move. 1317 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,640 Speaker 1: But been a doe pass interview, we're down to quick hitters. Man, 1318 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 1: first thing that comes to your mind, spit it out. 1319 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:35,160 Speaker 1: Toughest player matchup in your career? M hm ah or 1320 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,160 Speaker 1: not even I wouldn't even say tough is. Maybe favorite 1321 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,000 Speaker 1: is early in my career with Sam Cassell. People don't 1322 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: know how cold saying was. Man, Man, they don't. I 1323 01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,200 Speaker 1: used to have so many problems with him in the post. 1324 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,040 Speaker 1: He was so crafty. Even though you were bigger and stronger, 1325 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,280 Speaker 1: he still got that work in the post. And we'll 1326 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,560 Speaker 1: talk to you the whole time. Oh school, y'all, fella, y'all, fellow. 1327 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,959 Speaker 1: Top five point guards of all time? Oh oh jesus, wow, 1328 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:18,000 Speaker 1: magic mm hmmm, Oscar Robinson, Okay, John Stockton, m oh geez, dang, 1329 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:24,400 Speaker 1: this is tough. Mm hmmm. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, 1330 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,200 Speaker 1: Steph put you on the spot. It's all the smart 1331 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: there's one. It's like, all my I can't even think 1332 01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: right now. I don't like this. Um, this is the 1333 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: something you're supposed to tell. Yes, Jakid, we put Jakid? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1334 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,280 Speaker 1: I gotta go. I'm like, why can't I Why can't 1335 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,360 Speaker 1: I think? Right now? I just gotta be ja kids 1336 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,200 Speaker 1: favorite album of all time, no skips. You could listen 1337 01:08:54,280 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 1: from front to back All eyes on me. Nice classic. Yes. Indeed, 1338 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,679 Speaker 1: if you can sit course side to any game in history, 1339 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:16,760 Speaker 1: what game would it be? Oh? Oh, I'm gonna say 1340 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,920 Speaker 1: the Finals game? Were Ray hit that that three in 1341 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,320 Speaker 1: the corner in Miami in Miami against the first Because 1342 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: that's all what I can think of right now? Yeah? 1343 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 1: All right, Next up, you plus four of your current 1344 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,599 Speaker 1: teammates throughout your career, plus a six man to build 1345 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,439 Speaker 1: a super team. Who would you who? Who would you 1346 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 1: pick from your career that you've played with? These are 1347 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,120 Speaker 1: these are prime? Yeah? Yeah, they're all in their prime 1348 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 1: and you're the point guard. Well that damn I'm gonna 1349 01:09:47,880 --> 01:10:00,719 Speaker 1: say me. Um, Joe, KG, Dirk, that's five. You're forgetting 1350 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 1: one and booze. You left Braun off? Oh shoot, I 1351 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:16,679 Speaker 1: forgot I always playing with him for like five months. 1352 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,639 Speaker 1: That's why I ain't thinking. I'm thinking of like I'm thinking. 1353 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, now you feel the guys you really went 1354 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,920 Speaker 1: in with. I feel that. Yeah, like who I was 1355 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,960 Speaker 1: like playing with Braun is definitely there. And then um, 1356 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,920 Speaker 1: can I get seven because IM gonna put Kyrie on 1357 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: there too? Yeah? There you go. So so so you KG, 1358 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:39,479 Speaker 1: Paul Pierce, Joe, Dirk, Lebron and kyr Rouf. That's a 1359 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,960 Speaker 1: mob Elevate team. Last question and your answer to this question, 1360 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 1: just remember you have to help us with your answer. 1361 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 1: Who do you want to see on all the smoke? 1362 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: Oh guys, have your hat on. We only had nine. 1363 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:07,639 Speaker 1: We won't have one who Woodley t Woodeny Connor will 1364 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:13,760 Speaker 1: be fun. So it's crazy. I don't know if I 1365 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,880 Speaker 1: can help you out with that one. So it's crazy. Hey, 1366 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,599 Speaker 1: so I've been working on some My motherfucking college roommate 1367 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,880 Speaker 1: who played football U c l A shoutout audioitar As 1368 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,080 Speaker 1: his manager. So I've been on this motherfucker like, man, 1369 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,640 Speaker 1: let's get it. But it's always kind of round his 1370 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,160 Speaker 1: fights and then you know, he's kind of been on 1371 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,439 Speaker 1: a on a on a downwards. Who just I don't 1372 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: know if it's good. I don't know if it's good. 1373 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,320 Speaker 1: But I've been working on Connor for a minute, man, 1374 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 1: so hopefully we're able to get him. Yeah, but y'all 1375 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,640 Speaker 1: bring it, y'all bring in full circle. So it's like 1376 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,280 Speaker 1: you know about touch every Yeah, you touch everything, so 1377 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, for sure, all right man with d 1378 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,280 Speaker 1: we appreciate your time. Great catching up with you with 1379 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,519 Speaker 1: a big fanning while you play man and the glad 1380 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,439 Speaker 1: you took some time to join us. Best of luck 1381 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,920 Speaker 1: with the fam business. That's a wrap all the smoke 1382 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 1: season three. Man, we're here you castes on Showtime Basketball, 1383 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,559 Speaker 1: YouTube and the I Heart Platform Black Effects. We'll see 1384 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,800 Speaker 1: y'all next week. He appreciate you. Appreciate you, bro,