Speaker 1: My kids said a Alexa alert yesterday, Like right when
Speaker 1: we were about to start recording, I suddenly hear the
Speaker 1: Alexa full blast in the kitchen, just being like alert reminder,
Speaker 1: you are getting a dog. You are getting a dog.
Speaker 1: They're trying to like trick me into thinking I had
Speaker 1: set an alert to just some subtle gaslighting. Yeah, yeah, dad,
Speaker 1: was what I was like, impressed? Did they just watch
Speaker 1: Inception right? Alert? You are getting a dog right now?
Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point fifty seven,
Speaker 1: episode four of der Day's I Stay production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it is Thursday, September twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, what's going on, Miles hey man. It's National
Speaker 2: Compliance Officer Day. It's National Situational Awareness Day. It's National
Speaker 2: dump It's National dumpling.
Speaker 3: Day, It's National pancake Day, it's National Shamboo the Whale Day,
Speaker 3: and also National Johnny apple Seed Day. Johnny apple Seed.
Speaker 3: We had to sing that every day before lunch and
Speaker 3: my Lutheran school, you had what we had to sing
Speaker 3: Johnny apple Seed. There was a Johnny apple seed Christian
Speaker 3: song that we would have to sing before we would
Speaker 3: go like to the cafeteria for lunch. It was really stupid.
Speaker 3: It was like always like this grace song that we say,
Speaker 3: make sure.
Speaker 1: That you were thanking Jesus for your apples.
Speaker 3: No, it was about the about the Lord is good
Speaker 3: to me, and so I thank the Lord for giving
Speaker 3: me the things I need, the sun and the rain.
Speaker 1: Of the apple seed. The Lord is far to me.
Speaker 3: Omen I'm in amen. Let's see Taco Bell.
Speaker 1: Oh man, did you have to Taco Bell?
Speaker 3: We got it acasionally, but yeah, that was like when
Speaker 3: like somebing went down with the cafeteria, like look, yo,
Speaker 3: we got Wiener Schnitzel and Taco Bell.
Speaker 1: So you know, my seventh grade cafeteria had the bean
Speaker 1: burritos and they were consistently yeah yeah, like pretty regularly.
Speaker 1: They also had icys. It was like it was in
Speaker 1: that moment where like nobody knew what nutrition was.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and they're like yeah, kids
Speaker 3: like it, yeah yeah, they like frozen sugar.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Dayton, Ohio. Shout out to Centerville Public Schools because
Speaker 1: they were they were serving us Taco Bell burritos and
Speaker 1: then Lexington Public School District in Kentucky. We had Chick
Speaker 1: fil At so wow, had them all? You've had them all.
Speaker 4: All right, Ryan and Jack O'Brien AKA Band Joe Eric
Speaker 4: Gary Slime Band Joe Eric, Gary Slime. Banjo Eric had
Speaker 4: a dog bam ba lamb. But Gary's sitting on a
Speaker 4: log bam b lamb. But whoa that one?
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Speaker 1: acronym alter egos acronym Banjo Eric Miles, Gary Slime. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's accurate that they would be. I I
Speaker 1: added the last part that Banjo Eric would be walking
Speaker 1: around with a dog and Gary Slime will be sitting
Speaker 1: on a lug. They're like kind of you know, they
Speaker 1: look they those names are giving ride the rails a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could get behind this, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a a proud tradition unlike any others
Speaker 1: in fiction. Is like people having acronym names. Doesn't that
Speaker 1: happen in like one of the Harry Potter books that
Speaker 1: I think like he's like going by a different alter
Speaker 1: ego name or like a ka and then like when
Speaker 1: you unscramble the letters, it's like, wait a second, it's
Speaker 1: that guy the whole time, it's the bad guy hints
Speaker 1: it was and Joe Eric all along the hints. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do love that tweet where people are like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're ready to do nine to eleven tomorrow, but one
Speaker 1: last thing, the hints the handles. Yes, anyways. The anagram's
Speaker 1: courtesy of Moniche The Black Betty Ramble am aka courtesy
Speaker 1: of Halsey on Salad, and I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host, mister Miles Grass.
Speaker 3: It's Miles Gray aka Exit thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: You think we're pitches on stools? Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Want to keep dog whistling? Shut the fuck up, WANTA
Speaker 1: cabinet position? Shut the fuck up. Soon as I'm VP,
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: The black bags are free, Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Shout out to halcyon Salad for referencing a very fantastic
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Speaker 3: For those who don't know, you know, and for the
Speaker 3: that do, shout out to you. Uh yeah, wonderful Helion
Speaker 3: Salad doing the exact today backing track, Halseon Salad with
Speaker 3: the EXACTA box. I think I had to do the
Speaker 3: backing track or else I had to give people the reference.
Speaker 3: Otherwise it would just been like a lot of screaming and.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. I wait, why is Miles so
Speaker 1: mad at me? And why is he whispering to himself? Miles.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: today by the best selling author of books like John
Speaker 1: Dies at the End, Zoe Punches, The Future, and The
Speaker 1: Dick and the new stand alone. I'm starting to worry
Speaker 1: about this black box of doom available now that shit
Speaker 1: just dropped yesterday Fresh. It's also one of the hosts
Speaker 1: of the podcast Big Feats, which, if I'm reading this
Speaker 1: New Yorker profile correctly, is the only Mountain Monsters podcast
Speaker 1: officially endorsed by Big Feet. He's my former co worker
Speaker 1: at Cracked and co creator of the Crack podcast. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. It's Terras and.
Speaker 5: Pardon and congratulations again on getting renewed for season three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty seven. I saw the headline in Variety. Yeah,
Speaker 5: immediately texted Jack and he was like, who is this?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 5: You don't text each other if you like that.
Speaker 1: We only talk as contact. Jason.
Speaker 5: Yes, say it for the podcast. I'm not doing this
Speaker 5: for free. You're not just I'm not just giving this out.
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for free.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the freak, Thank you for the kind words. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a it's every week. It's we're we're on a
Speaker 3: knife's edge every Friday.
Speaker 1: Three fifty seven. Know got our ship the Simpsons. That's
Speaker 1: the phrase eat our Yeah, eat eat my ship, Bart Simpson. Jason,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? I imagine, especially because you told
Speaker 1: me right before we started recording that the day the
Speaker 1: day is leading up to and immediately after a book
Speaker 1: launch pretty exhausting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you've got to do a lot of the
Speaker 5: publicity stuff yourself, because you know, you can't hire somebody
Speaker 5: to do the interviews for you or to do TikTok
Speaker 5: videos for you, unless I can find somebody who looks
Speaker 5: and sounds exactly like me. But if that guy existed,
Speaker 5: I can think of other uses for him, probably, right,
Speaker 5: So it's not a real job in my opinion. It's
Speaker 5: a very stupid job, but also extremely exhausting because if
Speaker 5: you've ever talked about yourself or something you made over
Speaker 5: and over and over again, hundreds and hundreds of times,
Speaker 5: and you're trying to make sure that you don't just
Speaker 5: start lying at some point or make a thing different
Speaker 5: what I'm contradicting yourself, or because I'm not so famous
Speaker 5: that if I said something that it would like offhand
Speaker 5: that I read at Ama, that it would get pulled
Speaker 5: out and become a headline. That if I said something
Speaker 5: stupid enough, it could go viral. I gets I'm in
Speaker 5: that area where it could become I could become a
Speaker 5: main character the day if I went far enough off
Speaker 5: the rails. And you know, Jenk, you've interacted with me
Speaker 5: for a very long time. Sometimes I just say stuff
Speaker 5: that isn't true because I think it's funny, but I
Speaker 5: say it in a very serious way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's gotten me in trouble many times in my life,
Speaker 5: and it's inevitable that that's going to lead to my downfall.
Speaker 5: So it's like, I just have to get through this
Speaker 5: week because once the book's out there, it's out there.
Speaker 5: They can't you know, they can't stop it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I think we did that. I don't think I said
Speaker 5: anything too controversial, but you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're coming through the redditt Ama looking for
Speaker 1: something that could end you, and so far no luck.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we all aspire to be famous
Speaker 1: enough that we you know, just saying the wrong thing
Speaker 1: can make you make you the put you in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: Cool quote worthy. By the way, your answer is suspiciously
Speaker 1: similar to the answer of somebody who has a double
Speaker 1: like doing this podcast. God, that would be great, huh,
Speaker 1: but not me could be and someone it.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be for stuff like this anyway.
Speaker 5: It was Andrew WK. They there's a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 5: they replaced him with a different dude, like halfway through
Speaker 5: his career. Have you is anybody familiar with that? No?
Speaker 1: I because I am internet brained. I thought that was true.
Speaker 1: I thought there were two Andrew Wks.
Speaker 5: It may absolutely be true. I don't know. I was
Speaker 5: never able to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, wait, what what do they say is the
Speaker 3: moment that the WK switched over? You know, is there
Speaker 3: a thing where they're like, look at him in this album, now,
Speaker 3: look at him in this album. It's not the same
Speaker 3: guy or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so there's the online equivalent of that
Speaker 1: with Drill, right, everybody thinks Drill got replaced by like
Speaker 1: a bot at some point recently. I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: the Andrew WK story.
Speaker 5: Because the guy, the original guy, is very was always
Speaker 5: very cryptic about the answer City gave when they asked him.
Speaker 5: He would always be like, well, Andrew w WK was
Speaker 5: never a person. It was always a multimedia experiment, explanation
Speaker 5: of an exploration of a persona blah blah blah, and
Speaker 5: so they kind of fed into it. But I actually
Speaker 5: never found the answer.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, I can't find it. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I thought that was true.
Speaker 3: I've I've met him a few times. Like when I
Speaker 3: worked at Playboy. We made a video that we created
Speaker 3: a fake third political party for him called the Party
Speaker 3: Party that like I helped make him, Like we created
Speaker 3: a website and stuff, so like we texted for a
Speaker 3: little bit that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's very real.
Speaker 3: And that guy also would use like a rite aid
Speaker 3: plastic bag is like his briefcase. Like he'd come to
Speaker 3: the offices and he's like, let me empty, Like you
Speaker 3: have this like plastic shopping bag and like his phone
Speaker 3: in it and keys and like a notebook. And I
Speaker 3: was always like, this guy is very interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I never heard that he had been swapped out ever.
Speaker 3: But now I'm gonna have to look into that a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 5: Listeners, there's a rabbit hole you can follow down. There
Speaker 5: used to be a website dedicated entirely to this to track,
Speaker 5: you know, all the evidence back when websites existed. I
Speaker 5: maybe there's an app now or a YouTube video that
Speaker 5: does the same thing, but it was, it was a
Speaker 5: thing at one time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The WK stands for who knows, you know, could
Speaker 1: be true? We can't can't be confirmed or denied at
Speaker 1: this point, Jason, we are going to get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
Speaker 1: going to tell the listeners to a couple of things
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're going to talk about new details
Speaker 1: the Bipartisan report on the first assassination attempt that happened
Speaker 1: on July thirteenth, a mirror that's two months ago, a
Speaker 1: little over two months ago. That seems like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 1: They released the Bipartisan report, and the only suspicious thing
Speaker 1: is just like the Secret Service, like bad at their job,
Speaker 1: which seemed to be the read from the start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a carnival of errors, I think, is what
Speaker 1: the report was titled. We're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: death penalty, a thing that Democrats used to be against
Speaker 1: for very good reasons, no longer on the party platform
Speaker 1: for some reason. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about the price of eggs. We might even talk about
Speaker 1: James Cameron joining an AI company's board of directors, which
Speaker 1: you know he's like, actually, guys, nothing to fear here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so remember Miles Dyson, all that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Jason, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history?
Speaker 5: Hawk to a podcast? Real? Right? So I had seen
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of memes on Twitter where people were
Speaker 5: photoshopping the hawk to a girl onto a set discussing
Speaker 5: some extremely academic subject in a podcast, and I thought, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: they're calling her dumb whatever, and then saw a headline
Speaker 5: that the Hawk to a podcast called talk to a
Speaker 5: Uh huh. It was the number the number four podcasts
Speaker 5: in the United States. It's like, oh, hold on, so
Speaker 5: the podcast part is real. It's just that the memes
Speaker 5: you're making are fake, and if so, what's the show about?
Speaker 5: So I had to search and because I will admit
Speaker 5: I cannot tell the difference between things people are just
Speaker 5: joking about and things that actually happened. But yeah, apparently
Speaker 5: successful podcast on I guess Jake Paul's work. And you've
Speaker 5: probably covered all this. I was out of the loop.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean we've covered it in a sense
Speaker 1: that we were, you know, really we were in a
Speaker 1: bidding war with Jake Paul trying to bring this podcast
Speaker 1: onto our network. I think we did, say, like the
Speaker 1: week before it was announced that she had a podcast,
Speaker 1: who were like, man, someone needs to give her a podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in there it is.
Speaker 1: Because she, I mean, does seem to be a delight.
Speaker 3: I know, Jason, you were seeing memes of it, like
Speaker 3: the fake podcast, but then people were doing like memes
Speaker 3: or comedy videos about the real talk to a thing.
Speaker 3: It's like it was like all these bros getting together
Speaker 3: like watching it on a big screen and be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like every single quip or funny line. And I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, so now people are like kind of
Speaker 3: leaning ironically into it and be like it's the fucking
Speaker 3: sickest show.
Speaker 1: I have not seen it. When I saw that this
Speaker 1: was your search history, I assumed that it was they
Speaker 1: were trying to book you onto the Hawk Tua podcast
Speaker 1: Talk to to talk about your new rank. She's she's
Speaker 1: a fan of novels and literature, so obviously it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Is the story that there was one point where they
Speaker 1: said that Donald Trump canceled his appearance on the Hawk
Speaker 1: Tua podcast. Was that real or was that like a
Speaker 1: fake story? I think it was right immediately after the
Speaker 1: second assassination attempted Florida. One of the headlines that came
Speaker 1: off of that in the days immediately after, where Trump
Speaker 1: cancels appearance on Talk to Her if you put.
Speaker 5: A gun to my head. I could not tell you
Speaker 5: whether or not that was true.
Speaker 1: Or the Express seems to be, oh the Express to
Speaker 1: the Express Tribune, Well yeah, then of course, I mean
Speaker 1: that seems weird. I mean, that's like a weird I mean,
Speaker 1: like public use.
Speaker 3: She she's she wasn't really speaking like fondly of Trump,
Speaker 3: So I don't know where that would have happened.
Speaker 1: But that was just like a fun thing for a
Speaker 1: little while for people to do is have Trump on
Speaker 1: your podcast, right, yeah, had him on and just told
Speaker 1: him about cocaine. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And this Hawk too, Yeah, that just seems like such
Speaker 3: a terrible pairing, like the Hawk to a girl and
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and whatever. Like letting him just talk freely
Speaker 3: in that context I feel like would lead to I
Speaker 3: don't know what it would lead to led to, but
Speaker 3: maybe it would help him, who.
Speaker 5: Knows, I'm gonna say right now. Again, I don't know
Speaker 5: if you discussed it when I came up. His appearance
Speaker 5: on that THEO Vonn podcast that ironically fascinating because Deal
Speaker 5: starts talking about doing cocaine and Donald Trump starts asking
Speaker 5: him a bunch of probing questions and his first time
Speaker 5: I'd seen him be like honestly interested in someone else
Speaker 5: in their experiences. Yeah, and he's just being he wasn't
Speaker 5: playing the character of Donald Trump that he's been playing
Speaker 5: on TV for the last whatever fifty years and just
Speaker 5: asking because he's genuinely because Trump Trump, you know, famously
Speaker 5: does not drink or doesn't do drugs, I guess, And
Speaker 5: it was just famously like fascinated by like what's the
Speaker 5: mike and so you know, so so like what are you?
Speaker 5: And there's THEO like, well, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, homie, Uh yeah, and uh being an l
Speaker 1: out there man on your real street front port like
Speaker 1: goddam be so heartbreaking for Donald Trump Junior because you
Speaker 1: could have asked your own child about you know what
Speaker 1: I mean and said, you're really interested in THEO Vaughn's
Speaker 1: recap of doing that.
Speaker 3: I'm flying out here right here, dad, you can ask
Speaker 3: me about being an owl or a street land.
Speaker 1: Or maybe he's like, I've been hearing about this cocaine
Speaker 1: a lot lately. Not should I do it? Anyone close
Speaker 1: to me? If your dad did it, would you think
Speaker 1: he was cool?
Speaker 5: What? No? Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That That is one of the great things that
Speaker 1: podcasting has brought us, as that conversation. Unfortunately, Jason, what
Speaker 1: is something do you think? Is overrated?
Speaker 5: I think all of the panic about like fake news
Speaker 5: generated by AI and it was deep fakes for a while,
Speaker 5: and all of that too, like generating a completely fake
Speaker 5: story from whole cloth, is not and has never been
Speaker 5: the real threat. I think the way that the news
Speaker 5: media manipulates you will always be based on what stories
Speaker 5: they choose to cover and not cover. Like all of
Speaker 5: the news Autts choosing not to publish those hacked Trump
Speaker 5: emails and side they're gonna sit on that. But like
Speaker 5: the thing that you guys you referenced about the story
Speaker 5: with the Haitian immigrants eating the pets, the reason that
Speaker 5: fake story worked is because Fox News had been laying
Speaker 5: the groundwork for years by just cherry picking actual crimes.
Speaker 5: Because in a country of three hundred million people, you
Speaker 5: can find a trend, whatever trend you want. So anytime
Speaker 5: an illegal immigrant ran a stoplight, Fox News ran that
Speaker 5: as a headline and creates by just carefully sorting through. Again,
Speaker 5: you know, if a report comes out that says, well, actually,
Speaker 5: you know, native born people are more likely to commit
Speaker 5: crimes and immigrants, you simply you simply don't report it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And likewise, like this thing with the you know, the
Speaker 5: governor North Carolina and that guy Mark Rappinsons his name
Speaker 5: with all that crazy, like Fox News devoted like seven
Speaker 5: minutes to that yesterday, Like they simply just bury it
Speaker 5: and in their broadcast. That will always be the way
Speaker 5: by which people get into bubbles and get programmed. It's not,
Speaker 5: but it does not require the fake new stuff will
Speaker 5: be a problem. It doesn't require a hoax. Just filtering
Speaker 5: what you report and choose not to report will always,
Speaker 5: by far be the most powerful thing, because for the
Speaker 5: most part, you're sticking to things that are real. It's
Speaker 5: just that they're not representative of what's going on, but
Speaker 5: you can absolutely create the impression.
Speaker 1: That they are. Yeah, just a wild selection bias has
Speaker 1: always been the way that the US media tends to
Speaker 1: operate because it's a big country and they know what
Speaker 1: stories they can get a lot of eyeballs on because
Speaker 1: they're scary and reinforced preconceived fears and beliefs.
Speaker 3: And probably the easiest way to manufacture consent too, it
Speaker 3: is just by being like, and what if we just
Speaker 3: tell people about this all the time, and now when
Speaker 3: the decision comes to do something awful, you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Like they So they're just not
Speaker 1: publishing the Trump emails because the.
Speaker 3: Political The Washington Post, I think Judd Lugum, also at
Speaker 3: Popular Information, said he was offered these documents, and he
Speaker 3: said because he was involved in the Podesta emails, and
Speaker 3: he just doesn't think that anything in the emails are
Speaker 3: necessarily of note. Outside of just showing like a shitty
Speaker 3: campaign that was like his logic. But then it's also like, well,
Speaker 3: what's the logic of these other papers because they were
Speaker 3: more than willing to publish the emails in the last
Speaker 3: like in the twenty sixteen cycle. But it's yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just kind of like, well, what what exactly like tell
Speaker 3: us what the logic is of it? Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's sort of like where I feel like that
Speaker 3: story is kind of out at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit last
Speaker 1: week with regards to there was a Russian created fake
Speaker 1: media like fake a local news story about Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: like running someone over in her car and then like
Speaker 1: driving away in San Francisco, and like people were just
Speaker 1: you know, you could see that it was a fake
Speaker 1: news site that doesn't actually exist. They created the URL
Speaker 1: two days before. It wasn't overly convincing, and it didn't
Speaker 1: seem to like get that much media attention other than
Speaker 1: the debunking of it got a lot of attention. Whereas
Speaker 1: you know, just Elon Musk having as many followers in
Speaker 1: as much sway as he has just tweeting any dumb
Speaker 1: bullshit absent mindedly is pretty I think, more influential than
Speaker 1: I want to believe.
Speaker 3: It is also well yeah, now, especially with the block
Speaker 3: function being like, ah, even if you block me, you're
Speaker 3: still going to see my bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that the thing with Hillary's emails in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: I think that is the perfect example of what I'm
Speaker 5: talking about here, because that was the case where I
Speaker 5: think if you interviewed one thousand people both sides, and said,
Speaker 5: can you summarize what was scandalous about her emails the
Speaker 5: whole but her emails them, which became the number one
Speaker 5: story that entire campaign because those were released in a
Speaker 5: drip feed where it's like a new revelation every day,
Speaker 5: Can you summarize what the deal was with those emails
Speaker 5: and why that should be a deciding factor in who
Speaker 5: you vote for. I think not five people in a
Speaker 5: thousand could accurately explain. But when The New York Times
Speaker 5: has Hillary clinton emails as the a one story every day,
Speaker 5: Hillary Clint't email scandal, by putting it at the top
Speaker 5: of the front page, you are saying that it's important.
Speaker 5: You are saying that it's huge and impactful and this
Speaker 5: must be a terrible crime that's been Like, this must
Speaker 5: be disqualifying. So even if you watching it don't fully
Speaker 5: understand what's bad about it or what it means or whatever,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter because giving it that place on the
Speaker 5: front page indicates that it matters, and it's a negative story.
Speaker 5: So he's saying, Hey, all the other stuff in this
Speaker 5: selection not important. This email server, your personal email server.
Speaker 5: Security candidates using personal email for like, that's what matters.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that's at stake in this election. And
Speaker 5: they set the agenda that way. Again, the stuff they
Speaker 5: were reporting wasn't fake, it's just the amount of spotlight
Speaker 5: they chose to give to it as opposed to anything
Speaker 5: else that created the impression that it is I think
Speaker 5: as false as any something that was you know, that
Speaker 5: had been gend up out of whole cloth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think, yeah. It gave a
Speaker 3: look into like sort of what was going on in
Speaker 3: the DNC.
Speaker 1: But then people like.
Speaker 3: John Podesta called a guy a prick and this is
Speaker 3: his risotto recipe and what. But they're at the same time, like,
Speaker 3: you know, Colin Powell also had a private email server.
Speaker 3: A lot of people like what it, what's the emphasis
Speaker 3: about But yeah, now it's just very.
Speaker 1: Much like it's not in the public interest Jason. What's
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated.
Speaker 5: The degree to which the most important stuff And this
Speaker 5: election probably has not happened yet twenty sixteen, the thing
Speaker 5: with Hillary's emails that wasn't until October Trump's remember the
Speaker 5: Access Hollywood tape grabbing by the Pussy tape that didn't
Speaker 5: come out until October seventh. The James Comu letter that
Speaker 5: we thought that that probably did throw the election to Trump,
Speaker 5: that wasn't until October twenty eighth. So in an election
Speaker 5: just close where it's going to be swayed by like
Speaker 5: ten thousand people, it's probably going to it'll be determined
Speaker 5: by something that happens between now and November fifth. There's
Speaker 5: something probably in the month of October. That's when most
Speaker 5: people actually finally start paying attention, and there will be
Speaker 5: some story, some event, something's going to happen that will
Speaker 5: probably tilt things one way or the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the October surprise of it all.
Speaker 3: And we're not even in October, so we'll see what. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this cycle breaks, and I'm sure for people who are
Speaker 3: like the ones trying to peddle as much like wacky
Speaker 3: misinformation or whatever. They're probably sitting on like their most
Speaker 3: potent you know, weapons. And yeah, like you're saying close,
Speaker 3: much closer to the election, because that's really when Yeah,
Speaker 3: like it has the most impact on people's at least
Speaker 3: perception of what's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, an official like what was saying last week that
Speaker 1: like the final forty eight hours before the election are
Speaker 1: going to be absolute chaos on social media, right, But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really upsetting that the Access Hollywood tape wasn't until
Speaker 1: October seventh, Like that that was one where it was
Speaker 1: like a bombshell that people like got over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a thing where people in the wake it
Speaker 5: was like, oh my gosh, she's gonna have to drop
Speaker 5: out done because they still didn't understand how impervious, Like
Speaker 5: he didn't lose a single vote from that, Like they didn't.
Speaker 5: And this is why if I had to put money
Speaker 5: on this election, I would bet on Trump because Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris can be heard by a scandal. Trump is impervious
Speaker 5: to scandal. Yeah, there is no headline that I can
Speaker 5: imagine they would actually steer people away from Trump. He's
Speaker 5: just he's been like, what would it even be about?
Speaker 5: Nothing about sex, that stuff's already out there, nothing about racism,
Speaker 5: nothing about financial wrongdoing. All of that stuff he's already
Speaker 5: some of which he's been charged with in court and
Speaker 5: found guilty. So it's like, what could come out that
Speaker 5: hasn't already come out. It just feels like he has
Speaker 5: an immunity that he's built up, and that seems to
Speaker 5: be his superpower, because it's true that his support seems
Speaker 5: to top out like forty seven percent or whatever in polls,
Speaker 5: but nothing pushes it down. Nothing. Yeah, So it just
Speaker 5: feels like such a double standard where only one candidate
Speaker 5: is vulnerable to some bad story that they will come
Speaker 5: out with something a week for the election or two
Speaker 5: days before, and it seems like only one candidate is
Speaker 5: vulnerable to that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we've joked, we're like, what
Speaker 3: could even be the thing that his own support is like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: that's a bridge too far, Like it's like, would it
Speaker 3: even be something like a super progressive policy see or
Speaker 3: something like that, or then even then they're like no,
Speaker 3: actually no, I'm actually for that. Actually I think climate
Speaker 3: change is really important and we should we should stop fracking.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh fuck, like what is it? But it's
Speaker 1: definitely been rumors that he's on tape like calling his
Speaker 1: supporters like, you know, horrible things and being very derisive
Speaker 1: towards his own supporters they love. I don't think that would.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would do it at all. Like
Speaker 1: that's the closest I think even if it was.
Speaker 3: It's like and Donald Trump has been Hillary Clinton all along,
Speaker 3: people are like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, man, I don't know even if she's yeah.
Speaker 1: The yeah, if he literally was on tape being like
Speaker 1: they are a basket of deplorables, I think they're discussed
Speaker 1: like it would be the tape, like if there was
Speaker 1: the tape that would undo the politician in the movie
Speaker 1: about a corrupt politician. Whereas they're just like I hate
Speaker 1: them all and I'm gonna kill them when I get
Speaker 1: into office. We're gonna like take all their money away,
Speaker 1: and like that probably wouldn't do it. Like they just
Speaker 1: find a way to justify.
Speaker 3: It well because they're like, well he's still he's still
Speaker 3: going to bring the pain, right, yeah, yeah, they're like
Speaker 3: ringing the pain.
Speaker 1: Then we're that why can stomach anything. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about some news, and we're back. We're and the
Speaker 1: Senate has released their bipartisan report on what happened at
Speaker 1: the July thirteenth Trump rally in Butler, And yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems to be basically what we thought at the time
Speaker 1: that like, the most noteworthy thing is the incompetence of
Speaker 1: the Secret Service to kind of do their job.
Speaker 3: And just like law enforcement, communicating seemed to be the
Speaker 3: big thing that they Again, the main findings were Secret
Speaker 3: Service failed to sufficiently coordinate with state and local law enforcement,
Speaker 3: failed to adequately cover the building where Trump's attempted assassin
Speaker 3: fired from, failed to address line of sight concerns, denied
Speaker 3: requests for additional resources, and failed to pass on to
Speaker 3: other law law enforcement that there was a there was
Speaker 3: quote credible intelligence of a threat. And they also noted
Speaker 3: in the report that the Secret Service denied responsibility or
Speaker 3: tried to deflect blame when pressed about their individual roles.
Speaker 3: So like again, so it sounds like the biggest errors
Speaker 3: were there just weren't enough people available to secure all
Speaker 3: the buildings that could have posed a potential threat. And
Speaker 3: then sniper teams didn't tell Trump's details specifically to get
Speaker 3: him off the stage when they had identified a potential threat,
Speaker 3: like minutes had passed where they're like, like, I think
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, normally you would have just told him, yo,
Speaker 3: get this guy off the stage, Like we have police
Speaker 3: officers rushing a building, like with their guns drawn to something,
Speaker 3: so that would immediately be like, okay, pull the lug
Speaker 3: on this.
Speaker 1: But that was not the case. You see them like
Speaker 1: in the in that video draw down on the sniper
Speaker 1: like and you know, starting to get serious as he's
Speaker 1: like continuing to deliver his I guess you could call
Speaker 1: it a stumps whatever his remark remarks. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: was always the weirdest thing about their response was that
Speaker 1: they just didn't They weren't like, hey, we have a snight,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't communicate the out loud.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And obviously also the weirdest thing is the water the
Speaker 1: guy who was on the water tower who was clearly
Speaker 1: fired yeah from two miles away, or how the person
Speaker 1: who fired a shot. The conspiracy theory that this was
Speaker 1: all staged one of one of them involves a guy
Speaker 1: on a water tower two miles away who fired the
Speaker 1: shot that grazed Trump's ear, So just an a supernatural
Speaker 1: marksmanship being relied on to graze his ear so that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't act actually be hurt. But yeah, yeah, where's
Speaker 1: the report on that?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the House. The House is doing their
Speaker 3: their version of investigation too. Since that's a Republican controlled body,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you might get a slightly spicier take on
Speaker 3: what is happening. But yeah, overall, it sounds like a big,
Speaker 3: big boo boo, big failure since the Reagan assassination attempt.
Speaker 5: Here's a good life lesson in this for any of
Speaker 5: you young people out there, because you're going to find
Speaker 5: this happen in your own life. You can have a
Speaker 5: system in place that is deeply broken or neglected, and
Speaker 5: it can take a long time to notice it because
Speaker 5: the thing that it's predesigned to prevent just hasn't happened.
Speaker 5: For example, whenever there's an earthquake, a whole lot of
Speaker 5: buildings will fall over that it turns out we're not
Speaker 5: up to code, because it turns out you build a
Speaker 5: building and all the anti earthquakes stuff you're supposed to
Speaker 5: do if you bribe an inspector. It's fine because it
Speaker 5: may be fifty years before an earthquake happens. The whole
Speaker 5: time that building looks fine. This is very similar to that.
Speaker 5: It seems like their processes, they're staffing, their training, everything
Speaker 5: had been degrading. They'd been kind of half asking it.
Speaker 5: But it you just don't know, because there aren't that
Speaker 5: many serious assassination attempts. There's lots of nut jobs, like
Speaker 5: some idiot with a flare gun tried to climb the
Speaker 5: fence at the White House and the President wasn't even there,
Speaker 5: but where somebody planned it, found a spot, was good
Speaker 5: with the weapon, knew we you know, studied where to go,
Speaker 5: how to get up there undetected. That's rare. And when
Speaker 5: someone finally tries it, they find a process that is broken,
Speaker 5: the process of that whole perimeter they're supposed to clear
Speaker 5: and cooperating with the local cops to clear that perimeter,
Speaker 5: to communicate about the spons and where somebody needed to
Speaker 5: be all that that process was. And you will find
Speaker 5: in your business or in your marriage or anything, stuff
Speaker 5: that looks fine for years until the bad thing happens
Speaker 5: and you realize how unprepared you were this is this
Speaker 5: was almost a and it's funny enough because we're like
Speaker 5: doing this report and it's you know, page three news.
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, we're in some alternate universe where this
Speaker 5: man's head exploded in four K in front of the world.
Speaker 5: That there would be you know, like we would know
Speaker 5: the names of these Secret Service agents like we would
Speaker 5: all they would be household names of which guy allowed
Speaker 5: this failure, which person failed to you know, report the
Speaker 5: guy on the roof and so on. And instead of
Speaker 5: just like yeahs and yeah they could we could have
Speaker 5: done better, guys, we kind of fumbled it, kind of
Speaker 5: biffed it there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The I mean the two things that earthquake prevention and
Speaker 1: like checking every possible threat and eye line have in
Speaker 1: common is they're both so annoying to do and it
Speaker 1: probably won't even happen, So like, what is your fucking deal?
Speaker 1: So you have that, you have that dynamic combined with
Speaker 1: I feel like anytime the Secret Service is involved in
Speaker 1: a action movie, like they're pretty locked up. Like even
Speaker 1: when the plot is like this is the guy who
Speaker 1: allowed JFK to be assassinated like in the Line of Fire,
Speaker 1: it's still like he is Clint Eastwood, and he's like
Speaker 1: a super heroic like badass who that they ultimately saved
Speaker 1: the president this time around. And I feel like it,
Speaker 1: don't they like White House Down and like those movies?
Speaker 1: Isn't their Secret Service involved in those? I feel like
Speaker 1: just generally, yeah, I feel like the branding being done
Speaker 1: for the Secret Service is pretty strong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most rather than like sex worker scandals
Speaker 3: like when during Obama's presidency and shit like that, Like
Speaker 3: these guys sound like a bunch of frat guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, they're Gerard Butler. They're Gerard Butler. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like so they described this as the biggest Secret Service
Speaker 1: failure since the Reagan assassination attempt, but like even the
Speaker 1: Reagan assassination attempt, I the thing I remember is like
Speaker 1: a guy standing there with like a tiny Uzi in
Speaker 1: his hand, looking bad ass, like being a Milwaukie talkie, you know,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, he got shot though, he got shot,
Speaker 1: and then the other guy who got the guy who
Speaker 1: got shot in paralyzed who Brady right that who they
Speaker 1: named laws after. And I did not, truly did not
Speaker 1: know the Reagan assassination attempt was seen as a secret
Speaker 1: service failure.
Speaker 5: Totally forgotten, like we don't remember it that way, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a fucking little uzzi, like a cute uzy.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. It's unbelievable that they gave them that too,
Speaker 1: especially man, Yeah, especially when you know what happened with JFK,
Speaker 1: What actually happened with JFK. Tell him, tell him Jack.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, Miles. We have other stories to
Speaker 1: get to. All right, I think that's another podcast accidentally
Speaker 1: delivered the kill shot. All right, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: death penalty. Yeah, because so yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an arcane feature of our car sol system
Speaker 3: that should be done away with.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: The reason I think it's important to talk about because
Speaker 3: on Tuesday Marcellus Williams was put to death in Missouri.
Speaker 3: And he's a man that even prosecutors thought was innocent
Speaker 3: of a nineteen ninety eight murder. Williams and his lawyers
Speaker 3: had been in like a long fight to clear his
Speaker 3: name and to prevent him from being put to death
Speaker 3: by the state for the murder of woman Felicia Gale.
Speaker 3: They had previously been granted stays twice due to the
Speaker 3: murky nature of the conviction, and like, despite mishandling of evidence,
Speaker 3: reliance on like jailhouse snitch testimony, a racist jury selection process,
Speaker 3: and a total lack of DNA evidence that tying him
Speaker 3: to the crime scene whatsoever, Governor Mike Parson let the
Speaker 3: execution go forward. The NAACP has described it as a lynching,
Speaker 3: and you know, the death penalty is again I think
Speaker 3: this is why it's important to look at it in
Speaker 3: a like a sort of larger context in terms of
Speaker 3: like policy, right, because it's not only just a waste
Speaker 3: of resources, but it's also a glaring example of how
Speaker 3: our carcial system disproportionately again affects people of color. You
Speaker 3: look at, you know, the death row population is forty
Speaker 3: one percent black, even though black people make up about
Speaker 3: thirteen percent of the US population. You look at just
Speaker 3: even how you know, like when victims are white and
Speaker 3: the accused is a person of color, like the people
Speaker 3: like seeking the death penalty goes up exponentially. But if
Speaker 3: you like have a victim that is a person of color,
Speaker 3: and even if the perpetrator or the accused is white,
Speaker 3: the figures are much less in favor of the death penalty.
Speaker 3: So there's like example after example and study after study
Speaker 3: just shows like the inherent racism that the system is
Speaker 3: built on. And I think this example in Missouri is
Speaker 3: just another you know, it just encapsulates how black men
Speaker 3: are viewed by our you know, quote unquote justice system.
Speaker 3: Because the victim's family even wanted, will you life to
Speaker 3: be spared? You know, they're like, we like, for us
Speaker 3: closure would be for his life to be spared. And
Speaker 3: they're like we would love to have his sentence commuted
Speaker 3: or whatever, just please like spare his life. But the
Speaker 3: governor of Missouri, Parson, he just has a really terrible
Speaker 3: track record when it comes to clemency and that he
Speaker 3: has never granted it when it comes to the death penalty,
Speaker 3: like he wouldn't even like not even people were in
Speaker 3: death row, Like he wouldn't even pardon people that were
Speaker 3: proven innocent. And there was even someone actually who they
Speaker 3: found who was guilty of the crime, literally serving a
Speaker 3: sentence for that crime. He wouldn't even pardon those people
Speaker 3: and they were black. But you know, you know where
Speaker 3: this is going. You know who he does give pardons
Speaker 3: to a white cop who murdered a black man in
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen and one of our favorite characters from the
Speaker 3: summer of twenty twenty, the mccloskey's like the white couple
Speaker 3: on the log with the guns who pulled guns on
Speaker 3: like those protesters outside of their house, and the woman
Speaker 3: who was just very loosely holding up pistol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they they received part like a like a
Speaker 1: fifth glass of Chardonay, just like loosely in her hand.
Speaker 3: Just arrating it. Yeah, just got it, just to let
Speaker 3: it breathe a little bit. I gotta let this thing breathe. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, oddly enough, then this is why this sort
Speaker 3: of relates to the election too, is the death penalty
Speaker 3: was another one of those planks of the Democrats platform
Speaker 3: that just went poof this year. Like in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: the platform said we will abolish the death penalty, which
Speaker 3: has proven to be a cruel and unusual form of punishment.
Speaker 1: And you're like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 3: Like Joe Biden even ran on being against the death
Speaker 3: penalty in twenty twenty, but now it's completely different. And
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, to her credit, actually is a decent track
Speaker 3: record on this too, Like as Da, She's like, I
Speaker 3: will not seek the death penalty, and she didn't. Her
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen campaign website said, quote, Kamala believes the death
Speaker 3: penalty is immoral, discriminatory, ineffective, and a gross misuse of
Speaker 3: taxpayer taxpayer dollars. So like, recently journalists reached out to
Speaker 3: the campaign and asked about their like their her specific
Speaker 3: stance and the death penalty. They got no response at all,
Speaker 3: And it's just like, what, like, you know, yeah again,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden ran didn't seem risky for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: He won in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: I mean it was close, but was was it down
Speaker 3: to the pro death penalty vote that.
Speaker 1: Would have swayed things?
Speaker 3: And I think that's just kind of like another odd thing,
Speaker 3: an example of like shifting to this like courting a
Speaker 3: voter that I'm I'm like, who is this voter you're
Speaker 3: trying to court by like removing this plank of the
Speaker 3: Democratic platform because again.
Speaker 1: Your positions, like that changing your positions doesn't help you,
Speaker 1: even though I like, I get the logic, it's been
Speaker 1: the logic of the mainstream Democratic Party since the Clintons,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work because it makes it seem like
Speaker 1: you don't have the courage of your convictions or any
Speaker 1: like any strong beliefs like which seems to be what
Speaker 1: people respond to. They want to have a sense of
Speaker 1: like who you are on these things.
Speaker 5: But I was really curious about this because I had
Speaker 5: looked up I wanted to see if the death penalty
Speaker 5: had gotten more popular or why they would go away
Speaker 5: from being anti. And it's really interesting because back as
Speaker 5: recently as the mid nineties, the death penalty on. They
Speaker 5: have like Gallup polls in this In nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 5: eighty percent of Americans were in favor of the death penalty.
Speaker 5: That was like at the apex of the crime, the
Speaker 5: nineties crime epidemic and the crack epidemic and all of
Speaker 5: that stuff. And it has been slowly declining ever since
Speaker 5: the point now it's like fifty three to forty four,
Speaker 5: fifty three in favor forty four percent against. The death
Speaker 5: penalty is less popular now than pretty much at any
Speaker 5: point in history in terms. So and we don't you know,
Speaker 5: there's like camp the states still have the death penalty,
Speaker 5: but a lot of those that do have gone into
Speaker 5: a moratorium. They haven't executed anybody in decades. Nationwide, we
Speaker 5: executed twenty four people last year, which is a lot
Speaker 5: if you think in terms of the state killing people,
Speaker 5: but in terms of the total number of people we
Speaker 5: have like in prison and on death row, it's not
Speaker 5: that many. We don't like to do it very often.
Speaker 5: The federal government hadn't executed anybody in almost two decades
Speaker 5: prior to Trump becoming president, and then they turned that
Speaker 5: back on. But I don't know, it's interesting because it
Speaker 5: feels like one of those things that has just been
Speaker 5: kind of fading from the system anyway. So to now
Speaker 5: be afraid of coming out as being anti death penalty
Speaker 5: when this seems like the safest time to do it,
Speaker 5: I don't know that I get.
Speaker 3: It well, especially on the back of this story, Like
Speaker 3: you can be like this is why we need to
Speaker 3: rethink this, like we're just putting people to death, or
Speaker 3: even the prosecution is like I have we got serious
Speaker 3: doubts about this conviction honestly, like that that we're still
Speaker 3: moving forward with this, And you know, Hillary good Friend
Speaker 3: and Jacobin like raised the point in terms of how
Speaker 3: Democrats this was specific to immigration, how like they are
Speaker 3: now sounding pretty similar to Republicans, Like if you look
Speaker 3: at the ads that the Harris campaign is taking out
Speaker 3: in like Arizona at there sort of she's like she
Speaker 3: was a border state DA and she knows how to
Speaker 3: be tough on the border and like illegal immigration, and
Speaker 3: it's basically just echoing very similar rhetoric in terms of
Speaker 3: like the we have to secure the border from immigrants
Speaker 3: rhetoric that comes out of Republicans, and like she's sort
Speaker 3: of positive. She's like, if voters are attracted by like
Speaker 3: a candidate like that stands for the corolest punishments, Like
Speaker 3: why why would they settle for second best? Especially when
Speaker 3: you have Trump who's like, I'm going to expand the
Speaker 3: death penalty to fucking haters and drug deal like anybody.
Speaker 3: And it's just like what I'm I'm just fail again
Speaker 3: to understand, like this, it's it's fine, why remove that?
Speaker 3: Just just keep You're like, to Jason's point, their support
Speaker 3: for this is dwindling, and I get that it's a
Speaker 3: small majority, but this doesn't seem like the kind of
Speaker 3: issue voter. They're like, we gotta really be careful with
Speaker 3: the death penalty. And I get why they would be
Speaker 3: with like things like fracking or whatever that's more top
Speaker 3: of mind, but the death penalty just seems like such
Speaker 3: an odd thing to just sort of just ignore now,
Speaker 3: given again that we're seeing this is something that affects
Speaker 3: the community that Takamma.
Speaker 1: Herself is like a part of.
Speaker 3: So I feel like this should be an afterthought to
Speaker 3: be like yeah, man, and fuck the death penalty too,
Speaker 3: Like that's it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's because of that, Like I think they
Speaker 1: would say, like they're playing defense against like Willie Horton shit,
Speaker 1: and like a good portion of the voting population is
Speaker 1: racist and she's a woman of color and they need
Speaker 1: to like counterbalance that and like do this like you know,
Speaker 1: strategic triangulation so that she is like protected against attacks
Speaker 1: on that. But it's just it takes the humanity out
Speaker 1: of it. It's not an effective way to run a campaign.
Speaker 1: And we've seen that year after year with the Democratic Party.
Speaker 5: And while I've seen people tons of people run being
Speaker 5: tough on crime, I can't remember anybody running specifically on
Speaker 5: more death penalty. The death penalty is great, Like it
Speaker 5: doesn't the pro death penalty side doesn't have like an
Speaker 5: anti abortion like an equivalent of that movement where there's
Speaker 5: like a death penalty voter other than you have tons
Speaker 5: of anti death penalty voters. But in terms of there
Speaker 5: being like pro I don't know. I don't see people
Speaker 5: taking to the streets like demanding this guy being killed
Speaker 5: despite you know, everything about the case being shaky. I
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't get it. But also a side note,
Speaker 5: if you're a fan of true crime and you read
Speaker 5: a lot or listen to a lot of podcasts about
Speaker 5: famous murder cases, so many trials are just like this, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: where the only testimony is from somebody who got their
Speaker 5: own sentence reduced, where the DNA stuff is like kind
Speaker 5: of shaky and it looked like it's actually kind of
Speaker 5: matched somebody who wasn't there and actually his wasn't technically
Speaker 5: at the scene, and the one person who thought they
Speaker 5: saw him at the scene their testimony actually contradicted. That
Speaker 5: is common. Yeah, and you see something like we group
Speaker 5: people like my age grew up with the OJ case
Speaker 5: back in the nineties and watched when you actually have
Speaker 5: high class lawyers who can pick through every little bit
Speaker 5: of the house of cards of evidence and to a
Speaker 5: jury can make it look like, yeah, this is a
Speaker 5: bunch of circumstantial crap. They've cobbled together. Nobody saw them there.
Speaker 5: We don't have a murder weapon, you don't have a
Speaker 5: direct witness. Now the rest of it's all questionable. It's like, hey,
Speaker 5: that's every case. It is so rare that they've got
Speaker 5: a guy on camera doing it or whatever, and so
Speaker 5: they piece together a case. I'm sure they get it
Speaker 5: right most of the time because a lot of times
Speaker 5: it is obvious, you know, husband kills his wife. Whatever,
Speaker 5: there's not you're gonna claim that, like, no, actually a
Speaker 5: serial killer broke in and then left no traces behind.
Speaker 5: But in still many cases like this, they've pieced together
Speaker 5: what looks like a strong case, but you start pulling
Speaker 5: at any of the individual thread it's so shaky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean like whenever we've had you know,
Speaker 3: like public defenders on as guests too, that we always
Speaker 3: are reminded of how like, you know, when the prosecutors
Speaker 3: they think they have someone or the cops think they
Speaker 3: have someone, like they just got to go all in
Speaker 3: on it. Or other times, just like in the process
Speaker 3: of interrogating people, it's like wear them the fuck down
Speaker 3: until they kind of break and admit maybe they had
Speaker 3: something to do with it. And at least we can
Speaker 3: run with that. But yeah, again, it's like it's just odd.
Speaker 3: It feels like low hanging fruit or just the very
Speaker 3: least something that wasn't controversial. But I think because everything
Speaker 3: needs to be, No, this person isn't a liberal, even
Speaker 3: though they're running as a Democrat, like they're actually tough
Speaker 3: on crime in the border. You just get this like
Speaker 3: weird dissonance that I think for even like like longtime
Speaker 3: Democratic voters like wait, what the what what what is
Speaker 3: this the Republican Party or what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: But again, this this is clearly the strategy for that
Speaker 3: campaign to try and figure out how do we pick
Speaker 3: off the most people in the middle to try and
Speaker 3: deny M a win. And I mean, the polling is
Speaker 3: it's it's it seems very close. But we again, we
Speaker 3: will see where that goes. But I just don't it's
Speaker 3: just a really weird thing to sort of like shy
Speaker 3: away from. It doesn't seem like I get why you'd
Speaker 3: probably be like I don't know about universal healthcare because
Speaker 3: they're gonna say I'm a socialist or whatever. But the
Speaker 3: death penalty is like again but just it's it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 3: And we don't need it anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't appreciate you disparaging the al theory from
Speaker 1: the staircase, but I agree with everything else he said.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, we'll be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back, And James Cameron just made headlines.
Speaker 1: And this time it's not for announcing like the fourteenth
Speaker 1: Avatar film. This time he is joining the board equally dispiriting,
Speaker 1: he's joining the board of directors for Stability AI. By
Speaker 1: the way, I enjoyed both Avatar movies. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I turned into Trump there, but I wish and
Speaker 1: I think he is making a different film that I'll
Speaker 1: look up what the other film is. But this is
Speaker 1: just a bummer because you know, he's always been at
Speaker 1: the forefront of special effects. And the board that he's
Speaker 1: joining is the AI firm that developed the Stable Diffusion
Speaker 1: Text to Image generative AI model, which is where like
Speaker 1: a image and video focused model that I think creates
Speaker 1: like some of the wild like this is AI videos
Speaker 1: that look like an acid trip, like that you put
Speaker 1: a camera on someone's brain during an acid trip. What's
Speaker 1: the what does he gain from this exactly?
Speaker 3: I mean, like I know, he's always into like technology
Speaker 3: in terms of filmmaking like that. He always prides himself
Speaker 3: being on the cutting edge of stuff like that. But
Speaker 3: like with this, is he of the cool version, like
Speaker 3: he'll bring it down from the inside.
Speaker 1: But he's always been more acutely aware of anyone of
Speaker 1: the dangers of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: So right, yeah, exactly, i'man like a cautionary tale. All
Speaker 3: gave us a terminator.
Speaker 1: But maybe if we take a new look at that
Speaker 1: movie and it's secretly like, oh I want I want
Speaker 1: a robot that would be so sick, is like the
Speaker 1: thesis of that movie.
Speaker 5: His quote here is saying that the intersection of generative
Speaker 5: AI and CGI image creation maybe the next wave. That
Speaker 5: means the ability to effects with that having to pay
Speaker 5: people to do the effects.
Speaker 1: Oh he likes money, Okay.
Speaker 5: So it will be phrased as to make the process
Speaker 5: more efficient, right whatever, So you can just have a
Speaker 5: server room and a piece of software that instead of
Speaker 5: because I remember back in Titanic that was nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 5: the movie came out, you know, shot ninety five ninety six.
Speaker 5: When they were doing all those effects, that stuff was
Speaker 5: rendered frame by frame, like those water droplets that were
Speaker 5: coming off the hull of the boat, that was all
Speaker 5: cgi and that was a person painting those in So
Speaker 5: I do not doubt that when you know the budget
Speaker 5: of that film, a lot of that went to artist,
Speaker 5: talented artists spending many thousands of hours doing work by
Speaker 5: hand to make it look just right, because it was
Speaker 5: hard to beat the human eye when it comes to
Speaker 5: making something like that look good. But if that was
Speaker 5: just a piece of software that you could tell it
Speaker 5: make water run off the side of this thing, and
Speaker 5: then it runs overnight and then boom, there you go,
Speaker 5: and you did not have to pay a single person,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess like that's how all automation works.
Speaker 5: But to have a creative person want to bring that
Speaker 5: to the creative world, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're great when you make millions of dollars,
Speaker 3: I guess that's just what will happen to you, you know,
Speaker 3: like we're just sort of like I can imagine too,
Speaker 3: is like how much is it gonna cost? All I
Speaker 3: want is the fucking guy to fall off the boat,
Speaker 3: hit the big propeller blade and then flop.
Speaker 5: Into the fucking water.
Speaker 1: What fifty thousand dollars just for that. Now fuck this.
Speaker 1: And then this is where like I'll drop a fucking
Speaker 1: guy off of the drop a guy off the Titanic
Speaker 1: shot is the practical set still up?
Speaker 3: Do we still have the setup in Mexico? Fuck it, dude,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. Just fucking drop. I'll fucking get the
Speaker 3: propeller blade. Man, I don't want to fucking pay that. Yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 3: well I need this shit, so yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just it's a again, like to your point, like Jason's,
Speaker 3: like when someone who values creativity and it has like
Speaker 3: always talked about his own love of imagination and like
Speaker 3: always exploring all the ways that you can express like
Speaker 3: your ideas in cinema to then be like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: that other person who's integral to that and me even
Speaker 3: getting to where I am totally fuck that person completely
Speaker 3: because it's too expensive, and like that's just not just
Speaker 3: just it's just too.
Speaker 1: Much, man, it's just slow shit down. Well, the company
Speaker 1: is not currently building liquid metal killing machines. It is
Speaker 1: being sued for copyright infringement and just laid off a
Speaker 1: bunch of staff members, so they're already doing the work
Speaker 1: that they will probably be helping James Cameron do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And because to be clear, the way this thing
Speaker 5: will make special effects is you will have it scan
Speaker 5: a bunch of existing movies, including effects humans created, and
Speaker 5: it will say, oh, I know how to do that.
Speaker 5: Now you need like a spaceship flying up out of water.
Speaker 5: You eat all those water droplets like some person did
Speaker 5: by hand when whatever movie came out fifteen years ago. Well,
Speaker 5: guess what I've got that in the database. Could you
Speaker 5: imagine scanned that movie right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And like movies just start looking like sampled music tracks
Speaker 3: and stuff where you're like, bro, I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 3: the wave from the Perfect Storm in this movie, Like
Speaker 3: what the fuck? And like, yeah, do you see that
Speaker 3: guy fall off the boat? I think that was the
Speaker 3: propeller guy from Titanic. They just recontextualize it for this film.
Speaker 5: It's just there, like the will just extreme. Yes, Like
Speaker 5: that's the explosion. Look, they used it. They used the
Speaker 5: explosion from Armygeddon.
Speaker 1: They it's a guy, but they have to like change
Speaker 1: things so like it's a guy running down the street,
Speaker 1: but they're using the guy falling off the Titanic and
Speaker 1: they're like and then he hits this thing and starts
Speaker 1: spinning for something different plane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a different gravitational plane. Full You're like, is
Speaker 3: that physically possible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's being blown down the street. It was a
Speaker 1: big wind. They just have like a voiceover, guy coming,
Speaker 1: Can I Can.
Speaker 5: I ask you guys a question because you you are
Speaker 5: obviously covering the news every single day, You've probably done
Speaker 5: many stories about AI and stuff like that. Yeah, why
Speaker 5: is it that in the cultural imagination? Why is it
Speaker 5: then the headlines all of the examples of AI, it's
Speaker 5: all this nonsense. It's it can create a very bad
Speaker 5: photograph with too many fingers. It can create a very
Speaker 5: trippy video that has the worst uncanny valley thing you've
Speaker 5: ever seen in your life. We think that maybe someday
Speaker 5: it will make movies for you, So that why is
Speaker 5: it all the one thing none of us want AI
Speaker 5: to do instead of Hey, we think in the future,
Speaker 5: it can diagnose cancer faster than a doctor, can't. We
Speaker 5: think in the future, it can you know, help genetically
Speaker 5: engineer crops. It can survive drought and climate change. Like,
Speaker 5: why is there like an image issue or a marketing
Speaker 5: issue on the side of these AI people, or is
Speaker 5: that really where they're putting their money right now, Like,
Speaker 5: is all the work actually going into all of this
Speaker 5: media stuff instead of like it's solving people's everyday problems
Speaker 5: that would get them excited about it.
Speaker 3: I think all this stuff is kind of part of
Speaker 3: like this this sort of circus aspect of it that
Speaker 3: keeps people like interested on a general level and be like, oh, whoa,
Speaker 3: it does this. It does that because it like for
Speaker 3: the people that they're really trying to appeal to, like
Speaker 3: on Wall Street, it's probably easier for them to connect
Speaker 3: the dots rather than like, oh, it can do really
Speaker 3: complex computations that could maybe like make cause breakthroughs for science.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey men, articles can be written quicker without people,
Speaker 3: or it can make a little video for your advertising company.
Speaker 3: But then I think what they're also showing is like
Speaker 3: it's they're like how it's getting better, And that's also
Speaker 3: part of the process. Like, look, do you remember when
Speaker 3: Will Smith was eating spaghetti all weird, like a couple
Speaker 3: months ago. Now Will Smith eats spaghetti even like a
Speaker 3: little less weird.
Speaker 1: So it's getting better, y'all. And who knows where this
Speaker 1: who knows what Will.
Speaker 3: Smith can do in the next iteration of this and
Speaker 3: people like, oh shit, yeah, yeah, it's getting better and
Speaker 3: better and better, while at the same time, like people
Speaker 3: on Wall Street, I'm like, dude, this it's all this
Speaker 3: stuff is horseshit, Like it's not even close to doing
Speaker 3: the kinds of things that they wanted to freak people
Speaker 3: out about with. It's just sort of becoming an energy
Speaker 3: drain and something that isn't actually creating any kind of
Speaker 3: financial return. So it's just I think, just all like
Speaker 3: spectacle at this point to try and you know, cover
Speaker 3: for the fact that it's it's not really doing like
Speaker 3: the sky neet kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Sam Altman wants you to think of it, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: can answer the question how many rs are in strawberry,
Speaker 1: and so instead they're putting a very sexy, exciting possibility
Speaker 1: on the horizon of like what it could be doing, which, again, yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point, nobody wants it to do that. It
Speaker 1: can do those scientific things. It does feel like that
Speaker 1: should be where they're focusing. Like the thing about figuring
Speaker 1: out the structure of proteins, like years before we would
Speaker 1: have been able to do that with just humans is
Speaker 1: really cool and like feels like they should just focus
Speaker 1: on that, but I think that idea is a little abstract.
Speaker 1: And then I also think because of the way money
Speaker 1: is spent in the entertainment industry, you can have not
Speaker 1: very much and get a lot of people to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of money, like based, you know, so they
Speaker 1: can just promise great things while actually having absolute bullshit
Speaker 1: and trick a lot of people. It's if you google
Speaker 1: how many ares in the word strawberry? Right now, it's
Speaker 1: still coming back. The word strawberry has two rs. It's
Speaker 1: did search over you, like even right now, it's still
Speaker 1: doing it. But then it's like, however, AI models can
Speaker 1: sometimes make mistakes when answering the question about this word,
Speaker 1: and then like makes an excuse and you like, then
Speaker 1: the fuck, dude, you can't count three rs in a word?
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, because it's not it's not thinking. People keep
Speaker 5: assuming that it is thinking. It's not. It's just predicting
Speaker 5: the next string of text. It's it's this is what
Speaker 5: I've never gotten. I realized that I am a ludite
Speaker 5: here when it comes to AI. But an ai has
Speaker 5: never lived in the world, So when an AI is
Speaker 5: trying to describe something to you, it has never experienced
Speaker 5: that thing. It's grabbing some text that doesn't mean anything
Speaker 5: to it and just stringing it together and maybe it
Speaker 5: will be it will form a coherence since maybe it won't.
Speaker 5: But it's you know, you can an AI can go
Speaker 5: find you a recipe for cornbread, because there's a million
Speaker 5: recipes for cornbread on the internet. They can go grab
Speaker 5: you one. It has never eaten corn bread. It cannot
Speaker 5: It cannot tell you how to improve your corn bread
Speaker 5: recipe because it has no concept of what that should
Speaker 5: taste like, or it's never touched it. It's I don't know.
Speaker 5: I get such a disconnect from people. It's like, well, someday,
Speaker 5: you know, you'll have an AI friend that can if
Speaker 5: your lonely can talk to It's like yeah, but it's
Speaker 5: you won't be able to talk to it about anything
Speaker 5: because it has never lived a life. If it's joking
Speaker 5: with you, it's just grabbing a joke it found in
Speaker 5: its database that somebody else told somewhere on the internet
Speaker 5: and it just stole it. But it can't it can't
Speaker 5: observe something about the world because it doesn't live in
Speaker 5: the world. So you're not having You're just talking to
Speaker 5: your yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we have talked about this so frequently
Speaker 1: that our listeners are like, yeah, no, we guys, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck up.
Speaker 5: I do not listen to the show. Guys, Yeah I
Speaker 5: didn't know.
Speaker 1: That, and that is unacceptable. But we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: off Mike. But yeah, I mean we've just so if people,
Speaker 1: well haven't heard those episodes we've had, like people who
Speaker 1: aren't experts in AI come on and say the same
Speaker 1: thing that Jason was just saying, like, these are the
Speaker 1: same basic idea as the autocomplete in your phone. Just
Speaker 1: predicting the next word, that's all it's doing. It's just
Speaker 1: doing it at a higher level that requires the.
Speaker 5: Burning of lots of fossil fuels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, and it's just it's it's spectacle that will
Speaker 3: hopefully inspire increased investment. And that's really what it's all
Speaker 3: boiling down to at the moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, Amazon named one of their companies of the
Speaker 1: mechanical turk, like they're they know their fucking well, they
Speaker 1: know their fucking well. It's a fucking guy inside. There's
Speaker 1: a guy in there, dumb dumbs, it's not fucking real.
Speaker 1: Jason Pargen as always, what a pleasure having you where
Speaker 1: can people find you?
Speaker 5: Follow you?
Speaker 1: Uh, and also read your new book.
Speaker 5: The book is called I'm Starting to worry about this
Speaker 5: Black Box of Doom. It is not political, but it
Speaker 5: is relevant. And this about a bunch of people on
Speaker 5: the Internet who'd think that they have gotten one of
Speaker 5: a domestic terror attack and they're going to try to
Speaker 5: stop it. But it is a bunch of strangers on
Speaker 5: the Internet with Internet poisoned brained uh, Internet poisoned brains,
Speaker 5: and it goes just as badly as you would expect.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that book is available now in all formats,
Speaker 5: including audio. I do not read the audiobook. They hired
Speaker 5: a professional to do that.
Speaker 1: And it isn't me for some reason. It's a very
Speaker 1: good read. Everybody shoul check it out. Is there a
Speaker 1: work of media, Jason that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 5: I've got a tweet that I like. That's from Twitter
Speaker 5: user PJ Evans says, Paul Thomas Anderson. Sounds like something
Speaker 5: your mom says to you when you're acting up. Paul
Speaker 5: Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 1: Getting here right now. Mom. That's not even my name.
Speaker 1: I don't give it.
Speaker 5: Richard, would you do?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 5: Still?
Speaker 1: Do that?
Speaker 5: Use your middle name when they're mad. I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's a reference, that's an old time you reference it.
Speaker 1: My parents definitely did it, okay, but I can't speak
Speaker 1: to whether parents do it anymore because I'm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think culturally specific to to do the three
Speaker 3: name call out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. They suddenly start treating you like an assassin.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Like my mom would just be like buck
Speaker 3: ah yeah, stupid in Japanese.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yea, yeah, what John Christopher O'Brien, what
Speaker 1: I knew I was. I was in some ship.
Speaker 3: When I heard that, I knew I was in some
Speaker 3: ship with my mom yelled out my social security dude,
Speaker 3: That's why I fucking knew all my identifying information.
Speaker 1: If I if I did ever assassinate any anyone, that
Speaker 1: would be what I'd go down as. John Christopher O'Brien,
Speaker 1: you know, oh right, right right, yeah, hey man, he's
Speaker 1: our JC man. You know, Hey, Miles, Yeah, where can
Speaker 1: people find you as their work media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, let's see.
Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray you
Speaker 3: can find and Jack and I on the basketball podcast.
Speaker 1: Miles and Jack got my boosties.
Speaker 3: They can find me talking about ninety day fiance on
Speaker 3: for twenty Day fiance.
Speaker 1: Uh tweet I like is from at Falca. It says, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's up. It's your Spotify DJ.
Speaker 3: Damn you got some fire taste, nef Well, let me
Speaker 3: put you onto something I ain't think you heard before
Speaker 3: now playing million Dollar Baby, the biggest hits that Spotify
Speaker 3: DJ is sometimes so off. I'm like, please, just I
Speaker 3: don't know why I aerently hit that button. I saw
Speaker 3: that tweet and I was unaware of this product. So
Speaker 3: there's a there's a an AI DJ. Oh, it's like,
Speaker 3: what's up, Jack, It's me your DJ. We're gonna get
Speaker 3: into some grooves that you were really messing with last year,
Speaker 3: and let's start the vibe off with one of your
Speaker 3: favorite artists outcast and it will do something like based
Speaker 3: on what you play a lot, and they're like, all right,
Speaker 3: let's switch gears. Here's some Vietnamese Christmas music and you're like, uh,
Speaker 3: all right, but I don't know if that was the
Speaker 3: vibe I was looking for, but cool, so yeah, but
Speaker 3: shout out.
Speaker 1: The AI DJs all around the world.
Speaker 3: And it's just another piece of media that I do like,
Speaker 3: is I'm a big fan of the game Ghost of Tsushima,
Speaker 3: and today there was an announcement trailer for the follow
Speaker 3: up called Ghost of Yote, and.
Speaker 1: It looks fucking really good.
Speaker 3: But I'm preparing myself for troll backlash because the main
Speaker 3: character is a woman, and inevitably people would be like,
Speaker 3: women can't do Samurai sword.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the fucking trailer looks great.
Speaker 3: So anyone who is a fan of Ghost of Tushima
Speaker 3: check that trailer out because it.
Speaker 1: Looks pretty cool. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. Like a couple tweets, We'll just go
Speaker 1: with this one. Cybershell at Cybershell tweeted this section of
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey's Wikipedia article cracks me up. Then I'm just
Speaker 1: going to read a paragraph from Jim Carrey's Wikipedia article.
Speaker 1: In April twenty twenty two, Carrie announced that he was
Speaker 1: considering retirement from the film industry, explaining I have enough,
Speaker 1: I've done enough, I am enough. When I asked if
Speaker 1: he would come back, his response was, it depends if
Speaker 1: the Angels bring some sort of script that's written in
Speaker 1: gold ink that says to me that it's going to
Speaker 1: be really important for people to see. I might continue
Speaker 1: down the road, but I'm taking a break. In February
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it was announced that Carrie would reprise
Speaker 1: his role as Doctor Robot and Sonic the Hedgehog three
Speaker 1: now trailer. Yeah that was wild. Yeah. Oh my kids
Speaker 1: are fuck they're ready psyched for Sonic the Hedgehog three. Unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, is there a song
Speaker 1: that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 3: Hey, it's your Spotify DJ, and I think you should
Speaker 3: listen to one of the biggest songs of the summer,
Speaker 3: million Dollar Baby by my boy Tommy Richmond. Though it's
Speaker 3: a song that I think we should go out on
Speaker 3: if you like. I was just listening to some new
Speaker 3: jab best who's like, you know, obviously one of the
Speaker 3: most like iconic beat makers from Japan and really kicked
Speaker 3: off like the chill beat scene like the interstitials of
Speaker 3: like Adult Swim. You know, Samurai Shamploo is on that soundtrack.
Speaker 3: And there's another Japanese producer I stumbled upon called Pigeon
Speaker 3: Dust and also has a very like similar vibe which
Speaker 3: is really like enjoyable, jazzy sort of sample beats, easy
Speaker 3: to listen to. It's called nothing but Jazz Loops and
Speaker 3: artist is Pigeon Dust.
Speaker 1: All right, we will. I don't I don't like the
Speaker 1: idea of pigeon dust because I've been hails fuite a
Speaker 1: bit of it living in New York City. But yeah,
Speaker 1: pigeon dander, so anyways, but go listen to that and
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