WEBVTT - Celebrating Trump’s 38th declaration that the war in Iran is ‘over’

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to off the cop with me, SI cop. What

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<v Speaker 1>a week it was before we get to the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>news of the week, and it is huge, you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just recount some of.

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<v Speaker 1>The other things that happened, because there were some doozies

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Let's start with Nancy Mace, Republican House member

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<v Speaker 1>from South Carolina. She's made her entire career on policing

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<v Speaker 1>congressional bathrooms for trans people. Sorry for one trans member

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress, Sarah McBride. Anyway, she was running for governor.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you realized that, but she was.

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<v Speaker 1>And this week she not only lost her primary, she

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<v Speaker 1>came in fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>She came in fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, she was beat by four other people in

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<v Speaker 1>a primary.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is what Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>McBride said, which is like better than anything I could

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<v Speaker 1>say about this. She said, Congress's top bathroom sheriff, Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Mace is on the ballot, and while not all of

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<v Speaker 1>the votes have been counted yet, she is in a

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<v Speaker 1>respectful fifth place. I don't like punching down, and I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the politics of grace, so I will say

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<v Speaker 1>happy pride, Nancy boom perfect. The internet is also of

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<v Speaker 1>course making memes about Nancy Mace and Riley Gaines, the

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<v Speaker 1>college swimmer who's made her entire career opposing trans athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>Mace and Gaines, the meme goes, are two conservative women

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<v Speaker 1>who finished in fifth place. Okay, I'm not usually one

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<v Speaker 1>to gloat, but today we're just so used to bad

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<v Speaker 1>people being rewarded for bad behavior, so when one isn't,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a beautiful thing. So pour one out for Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Mace soon coming to a Newsmax near you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure see what else happened this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Trump backed off his absolutely insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick of Bill Pulty for D and I for Director

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<v Speaker 2>of National Intelligence. Another win for the good guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump raised eyebrows even among Republicans with that pick, as

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<v Speaker 1>Pulty has absolutely no qualifications or relevant experience to lead

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<v Speaker 1>our intelligence agencies none. All he's qualified to do is

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing, which was go after Trump's political enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't even doing that well, but it's clear that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Trump wants in the position. Republicans were not going

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<v Speaker 1>to confirm Pulty, and so Trump had to reverse course. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he has nominated Jay Clayton. Now, he also has no

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<v Speaker 1>relevant experience in intelligence, but he's got a slightly better

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<v Speaker 1>pedigree as a Wall Street lawyer, and just like Pulty,

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<v Speaker 1>he's more than happy to push election fraud lies on television.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, clearly that's what Trump cares about. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>if that one can get through. But uh, the big

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<v Speaker 1>news of the week, Okay, the big news. And I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hope you haven't heard it already, because nothing

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<v Speaker 1>pleases me more than breaking news to you find folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, maybe you don't tell too many

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<v Speaker 1>people either, because we don't want to jinx it. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to spook anyone. But this is big, this

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<v Speaker 1>is huge, It's monumental. Drum roll please. Yesterday President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Donald Trump announced we just made a

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<v Speaker 1>great settlement of the war with Iran. That's right, it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Call off the war, send the troops home, open the

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<v Speaker 1>straight of horror moves. Get ready to fill up your

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<v Speaker 1>gas tanks with three dollars gas.

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<v Speaker 2>The war is finally over. That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump even said a deal might be signed to this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Really excited.

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<v Speaker 3>It took a.

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<v Speaker 1>While, over one hundred days, even though Trump said it

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<v Speaker 1>would just last a few weeks. Finally it's done. We

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<v Speaker 1>could all breathe a sigh of relief. Our long national

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<v Speaker 1>nightmare is over.

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<v Speaker 2>We can all go.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to our hold on, Wait a second, sorry, hold

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<v Speaker 1>on a minute. I get I'm getting some guidance. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems Iran has responded to Trump's declaration, and well, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just read it. Spokesman for Iran's Foreign Ministry is

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<v Speaker 1>saying no such agreement exists and that it's currently under

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<v Speaker 1>review by.

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<v Speaker 2>The relevant decision making institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's curious because President says it's over, prison says the

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<v Speaker 1>deal has been reached, Present says a deal is coming

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend, and I know him to be truthful, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what is going on. Well, hm, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>My producers are pointing out something that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Trump has said this before. How many times

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<v Speaker 2>has he said? Thirty eight? Thirty eight times? Okay, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight times.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has apparently said this war is over or a

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<v Speaker 1>deal has been reached. So I guess it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>great track record. But listen, it's been a while, silver lining,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a while since there's been any real hostilities, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're in a ceasefire that much?

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<v Speaker 2>That much?

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<v Speaker 1>I know the President called for a ceasefire. We're in

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<v Speaker 1>a ceasefire. That's good news. At least there's been no

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<v Speaker 1>hold on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not correct. Sorry, let me checking my notes on Wednesday. Shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>On Wednesday, the US bomb de Ron for the second

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<v Speaker 1>straight day after Ron struck hour Apache helicopter over the

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<v Speaker 1>strait of her moves.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot about that, damn it. So I guess we're

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<v Speaker 2>not really in a ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's what Trump had to say about this important

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<v Speaker 1>business this week from the Oval Office.

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<v Speaker 4>This is going to support millions and millions of people,

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<v Speaker 4>America's fishermen. Of just there's special people and as special

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<v Speaker 4>men and fisher women. So tell me how do they

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<v Speaker 4>define that? Because in most industries, like you have policemen policewomen.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you call them fishermen and fisher women? I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>heard of that one before. But if are we, how

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<v Speaker 4>are the women? Do they want to be designated as

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<v Speaker 4>fisher women? Does anybody want to answer that question? Hm?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess I have egg on my face.

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<v Speaker 2>My bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Trump talking about the other important item of

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<v Speaker 1>business this week. What to call women who fish? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>back to Iran. The war may or may not be over.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll have to wait and see if thirty

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<v Speaker 1>ninth time is the charm. But at least the good

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<v Speaker 1>news is it's not taking quite as bad of a

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<v Speaker 1>hit on our economy as it was in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all feeling a little relief, right Wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on more notes from my producers. Man, they're on

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<v Speaker 1>one today. There's such sticklers for you know, the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep telling them it doesn't matter. Okay, I guess. Supposedly,

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<v Speaker 1>according to experts, UH Producer Price Index, a gauge of

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<v Speaker 1>wholesale inflation. Well, it's up six point five percent. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's highest since November twenty twenty two. So Americans are

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<v Speaker 1>facing the fastest priced inflation they've seen in years, and

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<v Speaker 1>it likely hasn't even peaked yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oof. That's bad. That's really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's see what the President had to say about this,

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<v Speaker 1>the rise in inflation. I'm sure he's sympathetic.

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<v Speaker 3>You can serve, mister President about the latest inflation number which.

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<v Speaker 5>Came out this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Could that be a no?

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<v Speaker 5>I love plumage triumph?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I really love? I love the inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes, he loves the inflation. Well, I guess I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He must know something that we don't about why inflation

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<v Speaker 1>is good for us, right, Like, I'm not an economist,

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<v Speaker 1>I must not know inflation's great. Actually, I had it backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought inflation was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I guess. Hm, we should focus on the positive,

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<v Speaker 2>the positive. Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Trump's a tough guy, and I'm sure he'll get

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<v Speaker 1>us all a good deal in a war we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>ask for and has only hurt us. I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 1>can walk us through this and tough talk his way.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, the world fears him, so when he threatens,

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<v Speaker 1>people listen, right. Well, I guess, except, well, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>totally true. There was that time he threatened Putin not

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<v Speaker 1>to invade Ukraine or he'd bombed the shit out of Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a quote. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Putin wasn't scared at that time. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>threatening Iran for nearly a decade. He threatened to bomb

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two cultural sites in Iran during his first term.

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<v Speaker 1>He backed off of that. He threatened to obliterate Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>backed off that. He threatened to end the civilization overnight,

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<v Speaker 1>he backed off that. Just this week, he threatened to

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<v Speaker 1>bomb the shit out of Iran if they failed to

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<v Speaker 1>reach a piece deal. Looks like he might just have

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and do that though. Oh and today,

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<v Speaker 1>in response to iran statement that they have not reached

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<v Speaker 1>a deal, he posted, they better get their act together

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<v Speaker 1>and fast. Yikes to be on the receiving end of

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<v Speaker 1>those threats. Let's talk about shaking in my boots. Look

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<v Speaker 1>out a Roan, get your act together or else. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, uh, I guess I don't have any news

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<v Speaker 1>for you on Iran. But I'm crossing my fingers and

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<v Speaker 1>holding my breath. It feels like a deal is right

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner. Okay, when we come back, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to an old pal about what all this means.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we're back and I'm joined now by my old

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<v Speaker 1>friend Kevin Madden. He's a Republican strategist who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>the Romney campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 5>Great to be with you, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to have you on this week in

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<v Speaker 1>particular to talk about the midterm election year. You've run campaigns,

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<v Speaker 1>You've run them at the highest level. You know the

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<v Speaker 1>ins and outs, you know what good campaign practices are.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to know what you make of where

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are right now going into the mid terms, with

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<v Speaker 1>the president who seems hell bent on making their chances

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<v Speaker 1>of keeping a majority like impossible, telling Americans he loves inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't care about their finances affordability as a hoax,

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<v Speaker 1>spending his time on ballrooms and reflecting pools, putting his

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<v Speaker 1>name on buildings and his face on money, getting rich

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<v Speaker 1>off cronyism and corruption and self dealing while many Americans

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling to buy food and gas, holding UFC fights

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<v Speaker 1>at the White House, tossing out fun ideas like billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar slush funds to pay off insurrectionists and fake electors

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<v Speaker 1>primary safe seats like for the fun of it, forcing

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans to spend millions more than they need to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just from your perch, how is this all going to

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<v Speaker 1>shake out for Republicans come November?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I think the best strategists and the best

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<v Speaker 3>campaign managers, the best campaign staffers all the way down

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<v Speaker 3>the line have to take a very clinical view of

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<v Speaker 3>the environment that you're operating in, and so I put

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the kind of you know, what fuels

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of like what fuels a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of chatter and what feels like the cable.

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<v Speaker 2>News stuff, Yeah, the noise.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just try to think, like, okay, what's driving

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<v Speaker 3>the electorate out there? And I think the best strategies

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<v Speaker 3>do recognize and we have there's are really good ones

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<v Speaker 3>that are that are running the campaign committees and running

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<v Speaker 3>like the big races. They know that they have some

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<v Speaker 3>headwinds right now. They know that this is an environment

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<v Speaker 3>that is driven very much by the idea of affordability

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<v Speaker 3>and a softening of the economy right now, right like

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<v Speaker 3>that is what that's creating some of the headwinds. And

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<v Speaker 3>then like you have the historical headwinds, you have the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that anytime you have an incumbent in the White House, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the party in power does sort of face a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a backlash and say they know that like

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<v Speaker 3>the average you know, uh, the average midterm losses for

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<v Speaker 3>a party is probably.

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<v Speaker 5>Somewhere in the mid twenties.

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<v Speaker 3>Right in the Senate, it's probably around two to three seats. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>they have also some advantages.

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<v Speaker 5>They've they recognize that.

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<v Speaker 3>They've done very well on the fundraising, They recognize that

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<v Speaker 3>they've done very well with candidate recruitment. They also recognize,

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of Republicans right now, recognize that Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>are not while they as much as they dislike President Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not exactly thrilled with their own party leadership.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, right now, some of that is changing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, Democrats are now starting to see

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<v Speaker 3>that the that the environment out there is starting to

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<v Speaker 3>work in their favor. So they may not love their candidates,

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<v Speaker 3>they are sure as going to show up and register

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<v Speaker 3>their votes. So those are kind of the big picture

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<v Speaker 3>trends that I think the best strategists looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>environment clinically, I think that they've that they've come to

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<v Speaker 3>terms with a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you yeah, and I hear that, right like, these

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<v Speaker 1>are professionals in most cases.

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<v Speaker 2>In some cases they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>But those cases they're professionals, and they've been here before,

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<v Speaker 1>and they know how to separate the principal Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, they're candidate. But there's so much noise,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's so much incoming.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 1>All the traditional headwinds are there, and there's more on top.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, We've got a war that no one really asked for.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, no one's bought into this war, even in the magaside.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sure they want to win and they want

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to do well, but like, no one's bought in

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<v Speaker 1>on this war.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know when this is going to end.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got months before the midterms, but it's really become

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<v Speaker 1>the story like how do you manage all the incoming

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're a vulnerable Republican, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going home, They're going.

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<v Speaker 1>Home right now, and you're going to hear from your

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<v Speaker 1>constituents about things like ballrooms and reflecting pools and slush funds,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, how do you how do you message

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<v Speaker 1>that well?

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<v Speaker 5>I think, Look, I think the bought in on the

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<v Speaker 5>war thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say at the beginning of the military conflict,

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<v Speaker 3>there were a lot of Republicans that were very strong

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<v Speaker 3>in their support for the White House.

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<v Speaker 5>Taking taking action.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like, yeah, confronting a nuclear Iran has been

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<v Speaker 3>a big has been an important part of the Republican

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<v Speaker 3>playing for previous candidate, for previous presidents, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>even previous sort of Republican nominees. The thing that I

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<v Speaker 3>think is changing is that the clarity that they need

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<v Speaker 3>to really force fully defend the president's actions and the

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<v Speaker 3>objectives of the military objectives. That's been somewhat elusive, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>to say to put the game, to put like a

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<v Speaker 3>clinical analysis on it.

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<v Speaker 5>They could use more of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think one of the things that they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to do is reinforce what they think the White

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<v Speaker 3>House needs to do about making very clear the military objectives,

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<v Speaker 3>making very clear what they what they're hoping to achieve,

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<v Speaker 3>and why it's important to Americans that that's what I

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<v Speaker 3>really think at certain point, many of these candidates have

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<v Speaker 3>to bring take away from any umbrella strategy from the

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<v Speaker 3>White House, can get out of the national jet stream

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<v Speaker 3>and focus relentlessly on tailoring their message to their unique constituency,

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<v Speaker 3>in their district, in their state, and so on the

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<v Speaker 3>Iran issue, they're going to have to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>They're also going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Have to talk about housing, How they're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about food prices, gas prices, and what the administration and

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<v Speaker 3>their congressional allies could should are doing to bring down

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<v Speaker 3>to address those costs. I mean that is I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's I mean when you look when you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the big challenge that Linny's candidates facing it's the everyday

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<v Speaker 3>presence of rising prices. When they go to the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 3>they're seeing high food prices, They're seeing it when they

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<v Speaker 3>fill up their guest tank. They're also seeing it in

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<v Speaker 3>things like healthcare costs, rent housing.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, so they really have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of localize and personalize to your unique your unique district,

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<v Speaker 3>constituency and state what it is that they're doing to

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<v Speaker 3>address those costs. Right now, I'd say the most important

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<v Speaker 3>sort of demographic is working class. That's like the battlefield

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty twenty party twenty six. Yeah, for both parties,

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<v Speaker 3>Like Democrats know that they've lost the last couple of

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<v Speaker 3>elections because they lost working class support. Republicans have to focus,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, relentlessly on them. And they also have to

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<v Speaker 3>get a lot of like if you're looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>partisan breakdown, you've got to get a lot of independent

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<v Speaker 3>voters back.

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<v Speaker 5>They did very well with.

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<v Speaker 3>Independence in twenty twenty, to be tough, in the sixteen

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<v Speaker 3>months since, like they Independence have migrated back away into

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of like unhappiness, undecided, but we need and

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<v Speaker 3>a no man's land.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, And I think what I have been seeing

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<v Speaker 1>most from both parties is and this isn't surprising we've

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<v Speaker 1>been in primaries, but both parties really trying to shore

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<v Speaker 1>up the base and kind of not really going after independence.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll of course have to do that in the general.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a tough switch when you're going

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, far left progressivism and those kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas on the left and you're going for like Ken

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<v Speaker 1>Paxton's maga stuff on the right.

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<v Speaker 2>Real tough to come back to the middle in a general.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think this is a mistake that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bad strategists make, which is they say all all midterms

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<v Speaker 3>are base elections. There is a lot of truth to

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<v Speaker 3>really getting out and energizing your base. It's very different

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<v Speaker 3>from like, you know, from a presidential year, but the

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<v Speaker 3>support that you're sort of losing from independence right now,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you got your base back, you'd still be

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<v Speaker 3>in a very you'd still be short of being able

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<v Speaker 3>to win a majority in a lot of these these

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<v Speaker 3>you know, thirty to forty battleground states and some of

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<v Speaker 3>these five to six Senate toss ups, you really do

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<v Speaker 3>have to get the big middle of the elector right.

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<v Speaker 3>Even this effective Republicans who are not necessarily hardcore MAGA enthusiasts.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to get them back on the on the

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<v Speaker 5>in order to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, we're also ramping up for a presidential in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. I'm ing to get your thoughts what Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>doing right now? How does this impact twenty twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>for someone like JD. Vance or Marco Rubio or are

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<v Speaker 1>they like clean slate candidates. They're both deeply in the administration,

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<v Speaker 1>deeply involved in a lot of the decisions that are

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<v Speaker 1>being made. Will they be tainted by whatever's going on

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<v Speaker 1>right now or will they benefit from whatever's going on

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<v Speaker 1>right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, we're in a political environment that is always Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just something that people have to come to terms with.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think any really good, smart campaign is going

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<v Speaker 3>to recognize that we're not going to be quote able

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<v Speaker 3>to break from the president in the next election. You're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to have a campaign that recognizes that

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<v Speaker 3>he is going to cast that the Trump effect will

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<v Speaker 3>cast a long shadow over the twenty twenty eight environment.

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<v Speaker 3>The analogy I always use, and I'm dating myself here

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<v Speaker 3>in the sense that it's one of my favorite movies,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's from a long time ago Is se Hinton

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<v Speaker 3>and Francis four Coppola is the Outsiders.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, now there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Big vie my namesake by the way, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh really, I did not know that. That's uh, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>Not many sees so there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But there's the one of the like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most important parts of the of the movie is

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<v Speaker 3>there's the rumble scene, right, and one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>parts of that scene was where Dallas Winston, the Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Dillon character, comes running out of the hospital that he

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<v Speaker 3>was in to join the rumble at the minute, and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, ain't nobody.

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<v Speaker 5>Having a rumble without me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Donald Trump is basically Dallas Winston here, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>ain't nobody having an election without me? Even if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not on the ballot, I am going to shape the

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<v Speaker 3>outcomes of this election. Say both, I mean, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>want that and Republican candidates that are getting ready to run.

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<v Speaker 5>It are going to have to come to terms with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, There's no running away from Donald Trump in this

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<v Speaker 3>is it is a Trump defined party as long as

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<v Speaker 3>he's on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're one hundred percent right, that's inarguable and

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't had a Republican nominee for president not named Trump, Sincett, Romney,

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<v Speaker 1>your old principle. But I'm wondering what you think. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've been watching Tucker Carlson, you know, who I used

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<v Speaker 1>to work for and know really well. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me he is trying to create a Trump alternative Lane

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<v Speaker 1>to run for president in twenty twenty eight, where he

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<v Speaker 1>will be like, well, I'm the real America first candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump made all these promises, promise not to get into

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<v Speaker 1>us into a war. I'm the guy that's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get us into a war. And I'm the real

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<v Speaker 1>you know, muscular Christian, And I'm the real.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy that you thought you got with Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Marjorie Taylor Green might be doing something similar, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to carve out like that Trump alternative Maga Lane.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of that project? Will that have

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<v Speaker 1>any impacts or legs?

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<v Speaker 5>I think possibly. I think it's all how.

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<v Speaker 2>How how much?

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<v Speaker 5>The question a lot of these candidates are going.

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<v Speaker 3>To ask, are going to have to ask themselves, is

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<v Speaker 3>do I really want to run against something?

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<v Speaker 5>Do I want to run for something? Am I running

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<v Speaker 5>for this job?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I believe it is I am the best person

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<v Speaker 3>in the world to take on this position? Or am

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<v Speaker 3>I running just for the sake of like building up

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<v Speaker 3>an email list? Where I'm running because somebody told me

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<v Speaker 3>that it's my time, Like Yeah. There are so many

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<v Speaker 3>campaigns that started out with promise and ended in failure

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<v Speaker 3>because they didn't ask themselves these central questions like what

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<v Speaker 3>is it that I want to do with the most

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<v Speaker 3>powerful position in the world?

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think fundamentally every single election is a contest

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<v Speaker 3>for the future.

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<v Speaker 5>The system itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Other candidates, you know, the respective political campaign parties are

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<v Speaker 3>all going to try and define this election as what

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<v Speaker 3>was wrong with Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>Or what would you have done differently from Trump?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the way to win one of these elections

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<v Speaker 3>is to constantly remind yourself that you're never going to

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<v Speaker 3>be punished for what happened in the past as much

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<v Speaker 3>as you will be rewarded for what you can promise

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<v Speaker 3>voters for the future. And if you can anchor a

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<v Speaker 3>campaign around that, I think it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>successful campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>You may not win, but you'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Do better than expected, and you'll have learned a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll ultimately have built a political profile that's more

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<v Speaker 3>aligned with voter sentiment than not. And then I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I think ultimately these things are are also campaigns where

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<v Speaker 3>you have to sort of align yourself, like like we

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<v Speaker 3>always say, like the campaign that always wins if you

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<v Speaker 3>go back and look at any of these contests, the

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<v Speaker 3>campaign that always wins is the one that affirmatively answers

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<v Speaker 3>the question is this person on my side?

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<v Speaker 5>Do they understand the problems of people like me? Right?

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<v Speaker 5>I always joke. I mean, this is one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things with our self.

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<v Speaker 3>Criticism of the Romney campaign was we had a fifty

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<v Speaker 3>nine point economic plan that we presented to voters.

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<v Speaker 5>We lost to a guy with a three point economic plan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, Like and at three point economic plan I

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<v Speaker 3>can remember to this day, I cannot remember many of

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<v Speaker 3>the points from the thirty nine point one right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And it was we need an economy built the last weaning,

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<v Speaker 3>the economy built from the middle out and I'm on

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<v Speaker 3>your side, yeah, and the next the winner of the

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<v Speaker 3>of the twenty twenty eight election, and I think will

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<v Speaker 3>answer all of those kind of like what I would

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<v Speaker 3>describe as kind of big existential questions more affirmatively than

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<v Speaker 3>the one that they that loses.

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<v Speaker 1>So on that what kind of candidate on the left

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<v Speaker 1>do you think would have the best chance. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>asking who, but like the kind of candidate, like what

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<v Speaker 1>should the Democrat running in twenty twenty eight have or

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<v Speaker 1>not have to be competitive against whatever MAGA puts up.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're gonna have to present themselves as a

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<v Speaker 3>fighter first and foremost. They're going to have to sort

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<v Speaker 3>of like kind of break the mold of like the

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<v Speaker 3>wonky Democrat, yeah right, where they're also like a Democrat

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 3>who is building coalition by coalition, a micro targeted campaign,

0:23:58.119 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 3>and they're gonna have to be sort of bigger, bold

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 3>or fighter, right, yeah, Like is that like.

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<v Speaker 2>A rama manual?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I think you know, so that that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was gonna say, I think of some of

0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 3>the candidates that could potentially do that, and I think

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 3>there's there is some coalition politics though that makes it

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 3>somewhat problematic for certain candidates to maybe to maybe to

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe win in a Democrat primary.

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 5>But it's like JB.

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Pritzker, uh, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore to a certain degree,

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think those are some of the candidates

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 3>that I think that that that that might emerge. I

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 3>always thought one of the best candidates in the Democratic

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 3>primary that I think had the most potential and probably

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 3>would have learned the most from their last run and

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 3>could present well in another run would have been Amy Klobachar.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So those are.

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Some of the some of the players that I think

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 3>might be able to might be able to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>break out of that mold.

0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, I covered the Romney campaign. You obviously we're

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>in it, but so I don't have to tell you,

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but it was incredibly frustrating to hear Democrats paint him

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 1>as a literal monster, right, he was like a sexist,

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>dog killing asshole.

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>We knew that wasn't true, and it was such bullshit.

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>And I speak to a lot of Democrats today who

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>say that they regret doing that. But like, if someone

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>like Adam Kinsinger or Liz Cheney were to run, I

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 1>feel like Democrats would also call them monsters, right, Like

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>they were heroes when they were standing up to Trump,

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>but if they ran because of their conservative.

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Credentials, they'd be monsters.

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:36.959
<v Speaker 1>So, like, what are moderate principled conservatives who are been

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>kicked out of the Republican Party but are only good

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 1>to the Democratic Party when they're standing up to Trump, Like,

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:43.360
<v Speaker 1>where are they to go?

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know if there will be that

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of like test inside a Republican primary where one

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 3>of these candidates feels like they can develop a platform

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 3>and give people an alternative to the sort of Trump.

0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 5>And Maga approach.

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just don't I don't see that there's enough

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<v Speaker 3>elasticity right now in the party or really.

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 5>Even a focus.

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Like I think one of the mistakes that a lot

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 3>of those like Kinzinger and Cheney's made was was was

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 3>focusing on this idea of of being a moderate and

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I think almost in some regards like playing foot see

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 3>with like the worst elements of the Democratic Party in

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 3>order just in order to just be a critic of

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 3>the Republican Party versus really sort of like defending this

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 3>conservative credentials and really trying to offer a bit more

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 3>of a holistic national security, uh economic and uh sort

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 3>of social conservatism mantle, right, Because like, in many ways,

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 3>those are the folks that I think we were ill

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 3>served by like a Trump presidency which kind of challenged

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 3>the sort of traditional Reagan man Reagan three legged stool

0:26:58.680 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 3>approach to power.

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>See yeah, okay, before we let you go, we always

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>finished with an exit poll. It's a series of questions

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of varying degrees of seriousness. So first question is what

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>is your favorite movie about politics?

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh, favorite movie about politics the I'd say The March,

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 3>the Eyes of March. I really liked that one.

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 5>My thoughts great.

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 3>I thought Eyes of March captured what it's like to be,

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, sitting in a hotel lobby in Iowa at

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, fifteen below zero on account. Also just like

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 3>how much work is done in the back seats of

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 3>like Chevy suburbans, and how many decisions are made on

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 3>the way.

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 5>To the next event, like that type of thing.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>I actually thought it was as authentic a portrayal of

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 3>what campaign.

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 5>Life was about. I also love Robert Redford's The Candidate.

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just kind of an old school version of campaign politics.

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 2>So but also very true to life.

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, The Candidate.

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a real good look at what a

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>campaign is like. Okay, if you were advising a student

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>who wanted to get into politics to study one campaign

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>from history, recent or past, what campaign would you tell

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>them to study?

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 5>Oh, that's a good one. I would say.

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 3>The nineteen seventy two campaign, Yeah, I think just like

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 3>the Democratic primary on that side, was I think particularly

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 3>illustrative of how the like an internal party fight would

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 3>produce a nominee to ultimately go against like Auch, a

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 3>much more well funded candidate.

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 3>But it was also such an incredible time in American

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 3>history where we were transitioning from the volatle sixties into

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 3>the seventies, and I think a lot of the changes

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 3>in political coalitions, a lot of the changes in tactics.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 3>It was one of the one of the campaigns it

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 3>was more of like a post TV into a post

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 3>sort of introduction of TV to campaigns, and TV is

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 3>becoming much more prevalent, and the sort of presenting and

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 3>packageming a candidate was much more sure was new to campaigns.

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 5>I think that would be one that'd be interesting to study.

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Great World Cup or NBA Finals.

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>World Cup. I have become Yes, here's here's the here's

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 3>the thing. I used to be the biggest basketball fan

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 3>I was. You're from Yonkers, I know, like St. Saint

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 3>John's college basketball. I watched every single Knicks game from

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty five.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 5>The nineteen ninety seven.

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>The game has changed so much, traveling, moving picks, no defense,

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 3>three points, three point shots, NonStop.

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 5>I have not seen an NBA game since Xavier McDaniels

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 5>was on the Knicks.

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:54.959
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 3>So I would actually and I find the learning of

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and the strateg g of world of soccer right now,

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 3>particularly when you, I mean the difference between like what

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 3>we watch on like Major League soccer or even college soccer,

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 3>to World Cup soccer with teams like Spain and Holland,

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 3>like it is just mastery. And so I'm perfectly willing

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 3>to admit that I would much rather watch the World

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Cup than watch the next I haven't watched the second of.

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 5>The NBA finals.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm shocked, But I know, I know, I love that.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Younkers, you're from Younkers. What's something about Yonkers

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>people may not know?

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 3>The waterfront is probably one of the most beautiful views

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 3>you'll find anywhere in the New York area. It is

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>uh if you go down to like the Yonkers Pier

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 3>and you look at the palisades and you look look

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 3>up north to what is essentially Rockland County, and the

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 3>UH and the the Cuomo Bridge, which we used to

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 3>call the tap and Z yeah south and usually look

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 3>just so yeah, and you look south, you can just

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 3>you can see the Manhattan skyline. It's one of the

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 3>things that makes it the greatest about Yonkers, New York

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 3>is that a lot of people in west Chester think

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 3>it's part of the Bronx and everybody in New York,

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 3>everybody in New York City thinks it's upstate. And we

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 3>have this like incredible identity crisis, but we have the

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 3>biggest two by four on our shoulder as a result

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 3>of that, Like we think we're great. We think we

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 3>love where we live. And you know, you look at

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 3>the the gateway to to upstate New York and Westchester

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 3>and you're you're you're can literally see the New York

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 3>skyline to your left, and it's just a unique I started.

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it kind of uniquely captures what's great about Yonkers.

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great. And if people are visiting New York,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>they should go they should go to y Younkers.

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 3>It's really fun, great restaurants and down there in the

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 3>like the Main Street area, the Getty Square area. And actually,

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 3>one thing about Yonkers, and you probably see this all

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the time on my social media feed. A lot of

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 3>movie scenes were filmed in Yonkers. Yes, lots of different movies,

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 3>like the movie It Could Happen to You, the movie Sleepers.

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 3>There were a lot of scenes that that that catch

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 3>me if you can. That's the scene where he's running

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 3>down the street. That's Warboard and Avenue in Yonkers. So like, yeah,

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of scenes that are from New York

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 3>that that Yonkers still has this easy. Uh. We always

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 3>need to make it easy for them to film there.

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 3>And it looks like New York. It looks like parts

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 3>of New York City, it does.

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what are you watching on TV these days?

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 3>College baseball? Both my I have three sons. Two of

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 3>my sons are very big baseball players. One my son, Collins,

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 3>going into going into college next year and he's gonna

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 3>be pitching for Hamilton College and D three, And we're

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 3>just obsessed with watching college baseball.

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 5>It's a really pure version of the sport. It's a

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 5>very fun version of the sport.

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 3>And I also think like the College World Series is

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 3>very It's one of the hardest championships to win because

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 3>of how the seedings and the bracketing and the format

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>is and it's just extremely it's exciting. Like right now,

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 3>we don't know who's going to win this College World

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Series amongst the teams that are in it. So I

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 3>just watch so much. Our whole family watches NonStop college

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 3>baseball at home.

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Fun.

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, if someone's visiting DC and they want to feel

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>like a real power player, where do they go for lunch?

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Bobby Vans on Fifteenth Street, where me and a certain

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 3>John Goodwin used to hang out all the time.

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Your husband, I've never heard of him. Yeah, you know.

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I always used to make fun because John, my husband Goody,

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>would be like I'd come down to visit him in

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>DC and he'd be like, we're going to Bobby Vance

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>or we're going to Rosa Mexicano, and I'd be like,

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, we have those in New York, all.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 5>The restaurants in DC.

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, Like, everybody's like, why are we going to Bobby

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Vance for the fifthieth time? But everybody like the owners

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 3>of Bobby Vans are the greatest people we've ever met.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 5>They they shoot their customers great.

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 3>The other thing, it's got a really cool patio where

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>anybody walking up and down that street you'll see you

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 3>could sit there on that patio outside and you could

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 3>see members of Cabinet, members of the White House, You'll

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 3>see people from you know that are that are in

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 3>TV and media, like it's just a great it's a

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 3>great pace watching spot.

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 2>It is. I would I would add Cafe Milano to that.

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I love Cafe.

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Cafe Milano is very good, but that for me, that's

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of on the other side of Georgetown.

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Okay.

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>The last question is very important to me. We ask

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>it at the end of every podcast. It's part of

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>my cultural and spiritual identity. When is it iced coffee season?

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Ice coffee season, I'd say starts around Memorial Day, right,

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not an ice coffee guy. I will say that

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 3>when that's I'm a hot cop I'm a hot coffee guy,

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 3>and ice coffee when I get it, it's so good.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.879
<v Speaker 5>It's almost like a treat that I just liked so good.

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 5>And this almost had.

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Like the shakes from the amount of caffeine.

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And well, the correct answer is it's year round.

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>This is year round.

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>But I appreciate that at least you are a coffee

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 1>drinker and that you do have ice coffee once in

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a while, you know.

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 5>My the Capitol Hill Starbucks.

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 3>My wife and I had our first date there, and

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I had never really been as much of a coffee

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 3>drinker as Jacqueline will like have a Venti coffee before

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 3>she even brushes her teeth in the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>But we just to keep talking to her.

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<v Speaker 3>I had three venty iced mochas, and I do like

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<v Speaker 3>the next day, like my heart was still racing like

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<v Speaker 3>a day and a.

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<v Speaker 5>Half afterwards from that first day.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's so many she still laughs about how talkative

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<v Speaker 3>I was during nap. But mild thing is like, I

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<v Speaker 3>just gotta keep this thing going. Let's keep ordering vent

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<v Speaker 3>the ice cop iced mocha Starbucks.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's adorable.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it is adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish it was romantic behind the political strategies here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Starbucks. That's fine. I wish it were Duncan.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm happy for you guys that you that your

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<v Speaker 1>love affair began over coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Kevin Madden.

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<v Speaker 5>So great to see you, always great to see you

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<v Speaker 5>as well.

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