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Speaker 1: Me around the NFL Podcast desperately wants to be friends

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Speaker 1: with Bruce Arians. Welcome back to another edition of You

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Speaker 1: on the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by a room filled with heroes Mark Sesler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rouseto. What's up voice? How are you?

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Speaker 1: Seems to have some existential anks today. Dan's already used

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Speaker 1: his best material for the show, has even started screaming up.

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Speaker 1: We're going nowhere is how That's how I feel. Um,

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Speaker 1: you have issues with the trajectory of the show. No, no, No.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm very happy about the show, especially Army

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Speaker 1: is the most recent episode. Um. Of course, little Debbie

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Speaker 1: time that was. And and Mark Cesler, you made it

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Speaker 1: all happen. You pulled all the strings. And I think Mark,

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Speaker 1: I don't and guys backing me up. Mark was floating

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Speaker 1: Mark's mind as he was walking down West l A

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Speaker 1: Street just like this at all times, just in your mind,

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Speaker 1: and you're skipping and you almost I can almost picture

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Speaker 1: the next installment of you creating a fake character out

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Speaker 1: of me. I don't know. I think I think there's

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Speaker 1: You created this connection with Little Debbie that just seemed

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Speaker 1: like this fanciful, uh mind game, and then suddenly here

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I know you don't have much experience

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Speaker 1: in your performance. Are becoming reality. I thought you guys,

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Speaker 1: It was just like it was a very bizarre thing,

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite part about it is afterwards you saying

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Speaker 1: watch Little Debbie in Studio. I was watching it last

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Speaker 1: night with my lovely wife and she actually decoded an

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Speaker 1: all time Chris Westling banger of a joke. You referenced

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that yet? Was that yesterday? Or what did I say?

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Speaker 1: But I said my old dirty Tuesday joke was that? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure everyone knew you always

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Norris joke because it catch it. It had

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Speaker 1: I just don't you know. No, none of us are innocent.

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Speaker 1: We don't all hit home runs. I hear you, but

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Speaker 1: we did yesterday as a group. UM. Today's show, you

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Speaker 1: in with Mark's brain again? What's going on in his subconscious?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call you creepy, but you all right, let's listen. News.

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Speaker 1: that's what happened here, So you don't stand by that lead.

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Speaker 1: Greg he's conflating the silver fox with a snow leopard. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think a silver fox is an attractive older man,

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Speaker 1: which Tom Brady is. He blew it. Snow leopard lives

426
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Speaker 1: high and the him alays and are rarely ever photographed.

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Speaker 1: Silver fox is the guy from Madman exactly. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: go to the subtext of artists great. You know, it's

429
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Speaker 1: a great, great piece, great quotes, but there's part of

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansis that looks at this situation and thinks, how

431
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Speaker 1: is this going to really play in New England? You

432
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Speaker 1: are looking forward to the potential day where the Martellis

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Speaker 1: Bennett experiment blows up in Bill Belichick, I did, and

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that in the in the right up on

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Speaker 1: our end around UH subsite, I'll call it NFL dot

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Speaker 1: Com slash end around. I believe that this could go

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Speaker 1: very poorly. I think a lot of people, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Martell's is bounced around a lot. Michael has only been

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Speaker 1: on two teams, the Bucks in Seattle. Martell's seems to

440
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Speaker 1: wear out his welcome and he's gotta get in line there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if his attitude, especially if it doesn't

442
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Speaker 1: find a role in that offense right away that suits

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Speaker 1: him in his mind, he could start. They're saying that

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Speaker 1: they're throwing endlessly to both tight ends, and in practice

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Speaker 1: both quarterbacks are. I mean, I don't I think he's

446
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Speaker 1: gonna have a role in the offense quite a big one,

447
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Speaker 1: and maybe he's you know, Belichick loves to bring certain

448
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Speaker 1: guys in for two seasons than to gone. He's in

449
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Speaker 1: a contract here. I think it really might be one

450
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Speaker 1: good year out of Bennett and he gets big time

451
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Speaker 1: money elsewhere. And he said the tight end position looks

452
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Speaker 1: as good as it's ever been. Um, you know, they

453
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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about how it wasn't two thousand ten,

454
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Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, that it was pretty pretty great then.

455
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Speaker 1: I I do think Bill Belichick has evolved in his

456
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Speaker 1: attitude towards players and how they talked to the media.

457
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Speaker 1: I know he seems unbelievably discipline and strict, but he

458
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Speaker 1: allows more stuff than he did, especially early in his

459
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Speaker 1: running in New England, where he he he got really

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Speaker 1: mad when people did. Here's what I would say in

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Speaker 1: response to Dan. I think when you're a creative, original

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Speaker 1: thinker and a smart person, and Martella spen It seems

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Speaker 1: to be those things for the silver fox thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. It's harder to deal with an aptitude around you.

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Speaker 1: And I think that his personality deals much better with

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Speaker 1: people like Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and Gronk who

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Speaker 1: are the best at what they do. When you're surrounded

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Speaker 1: by greatness, I will that is a fair point. I

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Speaker 1: will counter it with when Bill Belichick says he's never

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Speaker 1: been more happy with a tight end room, that means

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Speaker 1: he's happy with a depth all the way down. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that positional group. So when Martell spen it starts, you know,

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Speaker 1: walking off? Is that a term? Popping off term? Hankin,

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Speaker 1: There's no way Belichick is gonna put up with it.

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Speaker 1: He says, hit the road or mysteriously end up an

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Speaker 1: I R and I get the next Johnny come lately

477
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Speaker 1: to take your spot. I mean, ron is no wall flower.

478
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Speaker 1: It's all about how good you are. If he plays well,

479
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: I'll they'll be fine with that. They had Chad Johnson

480
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Speaker 1: on their team. He's terrible. Do you think that, Ronk?

481
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Speaker 1: I mean, do we have to say it with Gronk?

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Speaker 1: What's the reason he's It's like a harmless, little like

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Speaker 1: kindergarten student. He's not gonna get out a lot. I've

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Speaker 1: seen any kindergarten students party like that. You're saying he's

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Speaker 1: not the type of individual that West described, an intelligent

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Speaker 1: uh man that needs to be surrounded by greatness. Well,

487
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Speaker 1: he doesn't like walk out on practice and getting fights

488
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Speaker 1: with people and creating massive issues in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: which more Tellus Bennett has done. I tell you what

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Speaker 1: Gronk is not. After watching Um the Endless Duncan Donuts

491
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Speaker 1: commercials this summer with David Ortiz if you're watching the

492
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Speaker 1: Red Sox games, not a great actor. King not agree.

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Speaker 1: Just put it this way. It's good that he has football.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news. All right, It's time

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Speaker 1: get excited everybody because Greggy does that. We're doing that

496
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Speaker 1: wasn't this? Yeah, but the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, I love

497
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: what you've come up with Dan Brandon is Brandon is

498
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: visibly uncomfortable. He is excited that Shadowy League figures have

499
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: been on vacation this week and not paying attention to

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00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: the flaming mass going on in this studio. I have

501
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Speaker 1: to say, though, all those things that I got out

502
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Speaker 1: of our music database and all the things that we had,

503
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Speaker 1: so we're covered. We're covering, you're following the rules. Um,

504
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: all right, what did we want to know about Greg's

505
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: trip to Cowboys camp? They don't send it us anywhere.

506
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: We barely exist in this company, so it's good when

507
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Speaker 1: we get out of the offices. Uh, and Greg, I

508
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Speaker 1: would like to know, first of all, is Tony Romo

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Speaker 1: fat Um? No, he's not hesitation that he has Tony

510
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Speaker 1: Romo ever been a guy that you looked at and

511
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Speaker 1: thought that guy is the picture of a professional athlete

512
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: in great shape. He's not exactly Cam Newton or Colin

513
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: kept shape is not. I don't I've never had an

514
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: issue or noticed anything about him not being in shape.

515
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: I know that he's not built like a statue. Right.

516
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Speaker 1: They didn't have you know, they had that picture of

517
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Speaker 1: him where he looked bad, but that was just a

518
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Speaker 1: bad picture. He's out there in the heat with pads on,

519
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Speaker 1: he's practicing. He does have some back stiffness, but he

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Speaker 1: took off his pads at the end of the day

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Speaker 1: and walked off the field. Ye. I mean he kind

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Speaker 1: of looks like a regular guy. I mean he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's cut up or anything. And

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Speaker 1: maybe the back injury has prevented him from training as

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Speaker 1: as hard as as he'd like, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's a serious concern. Well, in the in the so

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Speaker 1: called fat photo, he was also wearing a flap jacket, right,

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Speaker 1: which is if you ever played football, it's like it

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Speaker 1: makes you look crazy. Well, I've I've learned, um, you know,

530
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: intrepid reporting from guys like Mark Sessler, who's you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of mentored me in this business. And I kept

532
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Speaker 1: I kept an eye on Tony Romo after the day

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Speaker 1: was over, and he walked off the field with the

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Speaker 1: pads off and stuff, and I was kind of curious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he kind of looks like a regular guy.

536
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Speaker 1: But you know, Ben Roethlisberger isn't exactly cut up either.

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Speaker 1: I mean, quarterbacks aren't like major league pictures which can

538
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: come and like you have major league pictures are just

539
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: like big pairs, but like, well, sure, but that's but

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00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: they still pitch well. But with quarterbacks, you can see

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00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: it's the position where you don't you don't need to

542
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: have like a six pack at age thirty eight, they don't.

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Speaker 1: We look Ben Roethlisberger right exactly. I think I would

544
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: say though, that you saw Tom Brady and Corson Palmer

545
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: move as well as they ever have in their career

546
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Speaker 1: year because they're an impeccable shape. Well, I think that's

547
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: a concern for Romo. Well, but I think that's a

548
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: concern for the Cowboys because back stiffness is the issue here.

549
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: He's sitting he's sitting out occasional practices still in training camp.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's he maybe isn't moving as well as

551
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: he used to. That was a big part of his game.

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00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Your back is hurt, he he can't do anything all

553
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Speaker 1: off season and it prohibits all movement. So that's we

554
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: don't even know what his off season was like. He's

555
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: been on he's been on the field though, so that

556
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: to be isn't a huge concern. And the Tony Romo

557
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: that you love to see. That Dan that you fell

558
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: in love with as a player was there and I

559
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: was thinking, what a big difference, um it must be

560
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: for the team having him on the field. I mean

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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: he's trash talking when the second and third teams are

562
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: out on the field. He's kind of just a couple

563
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: of feet behind, kind of watching it all yelling things.

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Speaker 1: I remember before one, you know, one play, like Maurice

565
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Claiborne Hanks a lot before one play he just goes,

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Speaker 1: come on, mo, get ready to get your ass kicked.

567
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: And you know what he did. He threw a bomb

568
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: down the field. The Terrence Williams who caught a pass

569
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Speaker 1: right over more Maria's Claiborg. It was awesome. You know,

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00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: the crowded crowd loves it. Everyone loves that he's he's

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Speaker 1: that guy, Terrence Williams kind of pass the joy the

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Speaker 1: joy and Greg's voice. He loves the game. Other news

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Speaker 1: surrounding Greggy does Dallas else amazing, It's preposterous. I can't

574
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Speaker 1: follow that. That reminds me. Actually one one take away ahead.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of concern about the music at these practices.

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00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: There's the toughest job in football. Well, maybe one of

577
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the top thousand toughest jobs. The joke. The joke, it's

578
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: being a DJ at these practices because I'm telling you

579
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Speaker 1: whatever what no, No matter what song was on, there

580
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: was a player going over to this guy and complaining

581
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Speaker 1: because I was standing right next to the DJ, and

582
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: they're like, come on, Like Cole Beasley was coming out,

583
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: they had a lot of Drake on in a row.

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Speaker 1: I feel like everything is it's either Drake Future or

585
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: the combination of Drake and Future and Colby. You're killing

586
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: me with this stuff. And then they'll kind of switch it.

587
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: He's like, you're killing me with this stuff. I got

588
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: nothing here. I just troll them and put on board

589
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: to run right, and so then they'll maybe play some

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Speaker 1: some you know, kind of rock country type of thing,

591
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: and then some other players come over. There was there

592
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: were very few songs that made it through all the

593
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Speaker 1: way where some players didn't come over and come playing

594
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: to them. You know what this connects with West when

595
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: you have oh wow, this is interesting when Westlemania or

596
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: West related drinking events. I have noticed a trend amongst

597
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: the millennials that we traffic with that we work with.

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00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: Typically they are way too into the music in terms

599
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: of this song is bad. Let me put my phone in,

600
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: let me changed this song. It's so horrible. Let me

601
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: not leave on this playlist here. You have to hear this.

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00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: That is a millennial thing. It's so horrible. Me first

603
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: self righteous claim that you can just take someone's music

604
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: and hijack it because you feel like listening to a song.

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: Here's another problem with the music. They they don't beep

606
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: out the swears. But then it'll just it'll be the

607
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: clean version where just nothing is said. But there's six

608
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: year old, you know, there's six year old like daughters

609
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and little kids right next to the speakers, and it's

610
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: all like, I'm gonna blank you and your blank just

611
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: NonStop the whole time. And does that mean blank you

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00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: and your blank? What is that? I was just thinking,

613
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: like if I'm a parent, I'm a parent at this thing?

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00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: Is it was too much? I'm sorry? Anything else? I

615
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: just wanted to say that wait, hold on, hold on.

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00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you what he went on his thing,

617
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: if anything to do. Sugarady just stopped there, no, no, no,

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00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: you got him it dead. Yeah, that was a good job.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to go on the record and say

620
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: that I didn't even mess with any of you guys playlist.

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Speaker 1: I appreciated you putting my music on. All right, this

622
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: is all gone. Anything else from Greggy does Dallas, anything else?

623
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott looked incredible until he got injured, which was unfortunate.

624
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: But how do you mean incredible? You know, I watched

625
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: some of the running back drills up close, and man,

626
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: he obviously he's just big and powerful and can move

627
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: so well. But it was really in the seven on

628
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: seventh the eleven on eleven he had two different plays

629
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: which got a lot of his teammates to make that,

630
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: which is like, that's the best thing you can do

631
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Speaker 1: as a player is make all your teammates do that.

632
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: And it was by making Kyle wilbur on one play

633
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Speaker 1: and another one of their line backers, I think gac

634
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: char on another play just in the hole, making them

635
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: absolutely whiff on him on a play that they're supposed

636
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: to come as they would say, thought him up, like

637
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: hit him and just that quick sort of lateral movement

638
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: while he's a powerful back. It was exciting to see.

639
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: But then he pulled his hamstring right at the end

640
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: of the Jones. Oh yeah, I just said one more thing.

641
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: But all the Jones is I got a lot the

642
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: U and yeah we should wrap up the second. So

643
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you had a lot more than realized you. Now I

644
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: forgot what I was gonna say. Alright, go ahead, Jones

645
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: is Oh no, no, the oh is the second best

646
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: thing that you can get. The best thing a player

647
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: can get from his fellow players is the towel in

648
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: front of them being waved up. Is the number one thing, Bernard.

649
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: The Joneses were all in the mix. I like how

650
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: at training camp they have the you know the thing

651
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: where the owners are in the They build an entire structure,

652
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, forty ft above a Roman colosseum, right, and

653
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: the owners just sit up there watching their minions underneath. Uh,

654
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: you long to be up there. It's you know, it's

655
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: just Greg Throne of right there. One thing I thought

656
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: watching it because Jerry Jones and Romo had a fifteen

657
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: minute long conversation at one point. Meanwhile, while some players

658
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: are doing other individual drills and Romos just not even

659
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: in the mix. And then Jason Garrett and Witten are

660
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: having like a fifteen minute conversation in the middle of practice. Too,

661
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, what two players in the NFL

662
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: probably have more power within their own team than Jerry

663
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: than Tony Romo and Jason Witten. Like, if you're gonna

664
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: be a player that is kind of into being the

665
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: man and being able to run things, you want to

666
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: play for the Cowboys, be nice if they be any

667
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: more games. But those two guys, it's like they're almost

668
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: like assistant coaches, advising and talking with the owners and coaches.

669
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: And that wraps up the edition of Greggy Does Alright,

670
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: this segment is called. This next segment is called and

671
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: there's no accompanying adult theme music. This year's Doug Martin,

672
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: We're on the fly. We renamed it. I like that.

673
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: So let's go around. Let's go around. This is the

674
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: running back who will just dominate fantasy rosters, real rosters. Marone.

675
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: We can add some Doug E Fresh in post maybe

676
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: maybe maybe some Dougie Fresh Doug E Doug remember that

677
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: actor Lottie Dotty. All right, Mark, get us going. This

678
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: year's Doug Martin is Eddie Lacey. And I you know,

679
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: when I came up with this name and before the

680
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: show was hereing a little bit. But we've already talked

681
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: about Eddie Lacy a lot. It's like, but how do

682
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: you do? How do you do talking about everybody knows

683
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be good this year? I I actually completely

684
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: agree with you, But how do you do? I think

685
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm taking a bullet for the team because I've got

686
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: to come up with a non surprise answer, because how

687
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: do you do this segment without talking about Eddie Lacy

688
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: and a team that may have the number one group

689
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: of triplets By the end of the season. Eddie Lacy

690
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: has lost twenty pounds. He is about three or four

691
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: pounds away from what they would say is ideal plane shape.

692
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: You can lose that. In camp, he's getting good reports,

693
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: the coaches are happy, and really it's about returning to

694
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: the guy he was at stretches of the season before

695
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: and the year before that. That is possible. We've seen

696
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: him do it. This offense has so many other weapons

697
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: that these players get healthy that it's not a stack

698
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: the box scenario on Eddie Lacy. Last year, you know,

699
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver situation, the running game, begot came

700
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: targeted for the first time really in that offense. Now

701
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: he's part of a passing game that brings players back.

702
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: You got Aaron Rodgers. Eddie Lacy is a logical candidate

703
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: for a massive bounce back. He had what seven hundred

704
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: and fifty eight yards last year. He's not gonna double that,

705
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: but he could get up yards. I don't think this

706
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: choice needs to be defended. I think it was a

707
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: good option. Especially Packers coaches are saying that they're gonna

708
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, I have a fifty fifty split with James Starks,

709
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: and I think I agree with Mark, that's not happening.

710
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: If Eddie Lacy's anywhere near in shape, He's one of

711
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: the ten best running backs in the NFL. You trust

712
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Mark over the Packers on some level, I think it

713
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: makes sense because he needs a big preseason because if

714
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: we watch this and he's and he's okay, I disagree.

715
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: I kind of expect James Starks will get a lot

716
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: of work early in the year because they've seen it

717
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: happen over and over see Eddie Lacy running like Doug markin.

718
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Isn't this edite Lacey's career in Green Bay? Right? Save

719
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: him for the second half of the season or you

720
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Starks early? Well, that's maybe their choice, but that does

721
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: gotna win games. I mean, I think Eddie Lacy is

722
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: going to go wire to wire if he's the guy

723
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: they want him to be. Mark, thank you for your sacrifice.

724
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: All right, you're putting it correctly now, Thank you West.

725
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: I was all set to choose a mir Abdullah, whom

726
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I loved last August, and uh injuries and poor blocking

727
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: ruined his fumbling issues to ruined his rookie season. I

728
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: still have confidence in him. I want to see how

729
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: that shoulder does before I, you know, kind of annoint

730
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: him as preseason guy. I'm going with another guy who

731
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: lost twenty pounds, Terence West, Mark's old buddy. Who oh boy.

732
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: Mark doesn't have great feelings for Terence West. I'm sure

733
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: because he didn't. He was kind of a problem child

734
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and the coaching staff. It's the headcase. Well, dear, dear,

735
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: wasn't he the one who when he got picked up

736
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: off waivers in last season? Really it really upset you.

737
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: You thought he was gonna do really well. No, no, no, no, no,

738
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: he got picked up by the Tennessee Titan, That's what

739
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I wanted I wanted Kristen Michael to

740
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: go to the Browns, and I also Chris Carter's son,

741
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted it up. Sorry. Terence West, according

742
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: to multiple media sources, has been the best offensive player

743
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: in Ravens camp through the first week. Explosive, elusive through

744
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: the whole looks like a different player because he's off

745
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, in the best shape of his career, according

746
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: to John Harbaugh, and I don't think it's gonna be

747
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: real tough to beat out Justin for Sett and Buck

748
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: Allen for that number one role if he runs like

749
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: I think he's going to run in preseason games. So

750
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I realized this is a it's

751
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: kind of a long shot, but well, one thing about

752
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: a sleeper. He is back home. He went to college

753
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: in that area, and I I just think that for

754
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: a rookie coming into the Browns program two years ago,

755
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: there was not a lot of support, coaching support, The

756
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: organization was fractured, and he got caught in a running

757
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: back room where there were other head cases too, And

758
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: so it is not crazy that someone three years into

759
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: their career, after having a great officine season where you

760
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: get your body in shape, would look like the guy

761
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: that he did in for a couple of games in Cleveland,

762
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: he had a couple of hundred yard games. He looked good.

763
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: There was a reason why the Browns traded up in

764
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: the draft to get over the Ravens who wanted him fourst.

765
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: That might get cut if if Terrence West is ahead

766
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: of him on a debt, is it also maybe a

767
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: sneaky like dig at the entire Ravens offense if he

768
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: is the most explosive player. I I don't look at

769
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: it that way. I look at it as this is

770
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: this guy has a chance to be the guy who's

771
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna wow us. In preseason, I will stick in the

772
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: a f C North and talk about good job, that's

773
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: your second time around. I will talk about Jeremy Hill,

774
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Hill is a guy. It could not get

775
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: be worse than it was or Jeremy Hill last year.

776
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: Not only did he disappoint both the Bengals and fantasy

777
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: owners last year, then he went through something in January

778
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: which can really ruin a career. That fumble that cost

779
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: Cincinnati their first playoff win and how long was literally

780
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: decade the last time they want to payoff. So that's

781
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: a mental bag. Just overcome some physical baggage just having

782
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: Joe Bernard in the mix. But I think he's a

783
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: guy we could see him returned to the type of

784
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: impact player that put him on everybody's radar last year.

785
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: And there are very positive reports out there, uh that

786
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: he had The Cincinnati Enquired Reporter that he had a

787
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: quote really good offseason program, handled all the stuff that

788
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: came through with the fumble, all the off the field

789
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: UH madness that I'm sure haunted him throughout the winter winter,

790
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: he took that on and he handled it and moved forward. Um.

791
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: The Enquirer expects expects a huge year. I don't know

792
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: what his workload will be in this offense, so if

793
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: he'll get enough carries to be a guy that's you know,

794
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: rushing for twelve yards. But I do fully expect him

795
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: to bounce back after a tough year, UM have double

796
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: digit touchdowns potentially and be a guy again that they

797
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: can count on, as opposed to what we saw last year,

798
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 1: which ended up being somewhat of a liability. He wasn't

799
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: in great shape last year, and I'm not sure he

800
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: was a good fit for the offense that Hugh Jackson ran,

801
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: which was more suited to Geo Bernard's skill set as

802
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: a past fertile first offense. With the new coordinator in here,

803
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: I think it'll be interesting to see what if they

804
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: maybe emphasize Jeremy Hilligan. Well, I mean they gave Geo

805
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: a big contract. Yeah, that tells you something, isn't it

806
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: largely the same offense under Ken's MPs. That's what they've said,

807
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: do we know, Well, I guess we don't know. But

808
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: it based on are you gonna run a lot of

809
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: three wide receiver sets without personnel? Limit? Is gonna limit you?

810
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: The personnel will change the In the perfect world, They're

811
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball a lot this year because it's

812
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: a good offensive line and if Dan is right, and

813
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: I think Dan might be right on this one because

814
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: he'll show, he'll show in it. And that's that's one

815
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: of the most exciting backfields in the league. I guess

816
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: the RAMS is not the option anymore. That's a that's

817
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: an incredible backfield. Because I am so high on Geo Bernard.

818
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: I think he can go up another level from what

819
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: he was, which is also already a really underrated, really

820
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: valuable player. And those two guys together, it's would be

821
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: hard to top those two guys. Yeah, I mean, if

822
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: Jeremy Hill runs like two thou fourteen, it's one of

823
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: the most exciting offense, right Greg, I'll go Carlos Hide.

824
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: I thought of doing Matt Jones, who's a similar player,

825
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: but he really was that guy last year. We've seen

826
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: him do it in the preseason. We gotta see Matt

827
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: Jones do it in the regular season. Carlos Hide I'm

828
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: interested in because he's coming off an injury, He's in

829
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: a new Chip Kelly offense, and man, he has an

830
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to put up monster numbers because he's a rare

831
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: back these days, that that's gonna stay on the field,

832
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: that he's a power back that's gonna get the goal

833
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: line carries and he's gonna catch the ball. And he's

834
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: in chip Kelly's offense. Chip Kelly is not afraid to

835
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: give the give the ball to one guy a lot.

836
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: Look at Lashawn McCoy's for a couple of years under

837
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: chip Kelly in Philadelphia. I mean, he got it about

838
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: as much as anyone, and so Hide is someone I

839
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: want to see. All reports have been good for him.

840
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: If he looks fresh this this training camp in preseason

841
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm taking him in all my fantasy like, why flip flop?

842
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean Carlos Hide? And then he said, no,

843
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Matt Jones. Why didn't he

844
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: That was my sneaky way of putting two guys in there.

845
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: Wouldn't we all be surprised if Carlo's Hide doesn't look

846
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: like a stud during preseason games. I will be surprised

847
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: if he doesn't look phenomenal. But that's all I need

848
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: to see is kind of to cement it, and and

849
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: then I'm in. I'm in on him. It's the same

850
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: thing with Matt Jones. He already looked good in the preseason,

851
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: so did a mir Abdullah. Sometimes they look a little different.

852
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: Your boy spiller is is a guy to watch this. Uh.

853
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: I just think he's a guy that you don't know

854
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get out of him. And if he

855
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: looks great in camp, then then you start getting excited

856
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: in the preseason. Uh. If this exercise is indeed called

857
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: this year's Doug Martin, Um, I want to throw in

858
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: one more. It's total homer uh pick. But blow Powell

859
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: is a guy. If you watched the Jets in December

860
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: last year, he was a major part of that offense.

861
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: He didn't play Week seventeen, and I really do think

862
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: that is the reason that they went home and blew

863
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: that game in Orchard Park. With Powell now playing, Now

864
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: they go out and get Matt Fortell, you who has

865
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: a similar skill set. I understand that, but I'm not

866
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: so sure that Forte is going to get as much

867
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: work or be as effective as maybe more optimistic Jets

868
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: fans think. And I think Powe will end up being

869
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: uh an important guy, or even more important than Forte

870
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: in that backfield. I'm a big power. He's been a survivor.

871
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like and he got a new

872
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: deal to which means they really like him. He's a

873
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: role player he is. He's not a feature back. He's

874
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: a feature back, so he's not going to be this

875
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: year as Doug Martin. But I just don't want him

876
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: to be forgotten because he was really and Greg. I

877
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: remember I was talking about this and then the stretch run. Uh.

878
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: He was making people miss. He was shifty, he was

879
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: a great receiver out of the backfield, much better receiver

880
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: than Runner. He's this year's below Powell. He not he

881
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I think I think he might end up being their

882
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: main guy. It sounds like if that happens, that happens,

883
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: So that has to be a disappointment for that organization.

884
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Forte is not healthy right now, so that's a minor thing.

885
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: But I believe it was the New York Star Ledger

886
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: thought even before that that they were going to split

887
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: the carries between Forte who who is up there. This

888
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: is the reason I'm talking about because I think he's

889
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: better than people realize. I think at the end of

890
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: the last year he was every other year of his

891
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: career he was not. I'm in. I'm in. He came

892
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: on in the second half, even the first half of

893
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: last year. He I think they kind of figured out

894
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: some things about him, and I think that's why he

895
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: came back even after they got Forte. I think they

896
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: like him a lot. All Right, anything else before we go,

897
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: We have one more thing to talk about. Hall of

898
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Fame tweeners to Hall of Fame bangers. Yeah, that is

899
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: not the headline. We bring that song up, please, of course. Yeah,

900
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: one more time list Hall of Fame to Hall of

901
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Fame banger like Greg Rosenthal And if you really want

902
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: to know Greg's headline, Greg's the worst headliner. I did

903
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: not that I might be Tony Romo Comma Eli Manning

904
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: among players on h o F bubble. I did not

905
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: write that. Okay, fair enough anyway, So I do I

906
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: like the premise for this calm a lot uh in

907
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: which you're gonna throw out some really notable names and

908
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: you're saying if their career tell me if I'm wrong,

909
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: if their career ended right now, they would probably have

910
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: a hard time getting in where they're currently at. Although

911
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: I disagree with the first name on this list, if

912
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: that's the premise for this, but what they really need

913
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: is maybe a little bit of a push to get

914
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: over the hump and be a real Canton dude, that's right.

915
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: And and less about predicting what the committee selection committee

916
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: is gonna do, because that it's very hard to predict,

917
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: but more what I think or have they earned a

918
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame spot yet and would a big time

919
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: push at the end of their career help put them

920
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: over the top. Some of these guys have a long

921
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: way to go. Some of the other guys, like you mentioned,

922
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is the first name on this list, and

923
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: and I don't think he has a long way to

924
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: go certainly not in the eyes of the selection committee

925
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: because of the playoffs. But it's really crazy when you

926
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: think about his career and how overall overrated it is

927
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: because of those two playoff runs. The most overrated player.

928
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to go too deep into it, you know,

929
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: because we've talked a lot of Eli. I think he

930
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: will make the Hall of Fame ultimately, and his durability

931
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: and some of the things that makes them special in

932
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: terms of completing tough catches and being very intelligent. That

933
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: that's all great, but he has not been a top

934
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: ten quarterback in his career period, like not. Even if

935
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: you break it down year by year, there is only

936
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: one year, and that would be two thousand eleven, which

937
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: he had an incredible year that you could even argue

938
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: that he would be a top five quarterback. He has

939
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: never made an All Pro Team, first or second team.

940
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: He has been selected to two Pro Bowls. He had

941
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: two more as an alternate, just like Andy Dalton. I

942
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: don't count that two Pro Bowls. Twice in his career

943
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: he has finished in the top ten of QBR on

944
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: ESPN once in his career. He's finished in the top

945
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: ten of quarterback ranking and this is all stats. Stats

946
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: don't say everything. It's a team sport, but this is

947
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: an individual one. And he's gotten those trophies and the

948
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: commercials and the money he's been rewarded for those trophes,

949
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: for those titles. But to me, a Hall of Fame spot,

950
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: that's an individual litter. That's not about. If we're gonna

951
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: talk stats, let me just throw out first of all,

952
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: he has two career touchdowns by the time he retires,

953
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: which will be about four or five years to live,

954
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: thrown like four hundred touchdowns, which won't even be remarkable

955
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: in the era in which he played hilarious big He

956
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: is now thirty five years old, I believe, Okay, his

957
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: last two seasons, and I know West you like to

958
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: say it's because of his wide receiver, but let me

959
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: just throw it out there. He has averaged forty yards

960
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: passing and he's thrown sixty five touchdowns in his last

961
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: two years of the passer rating over ninety. This he's

962
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: still average quarterback has a ninety. He is an elite producer. Yeah,

963
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: but tell me how many quarterbacks throw over thirty touchdowns

964
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: With Odell Beckham on the roast with four four thousand now,

965
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: I understand he's been good. Those last tisters have helped.

966
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: If he does another couple like that and piles up

967
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: some more good individual numbers, I think that will help

968
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: his case. That's what this is the case I'm making,

969
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: is that he has the numbers to go with the

970
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: playoff success. Now, and you could have it doesn't have.

971
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: You could have the East Coast bias like West and say, well,

972
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: he's a giant. I don't like the giants, and I

973
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: don't like York, and I you know, I don't want

974
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: to give him anyone. Everyone else has the Manning name bias,

975
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: so I'll take mine over that. There doesn't have to

976
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: be biased. I go by production. And but you're not.

977
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: You're sayings are good enough, and they're clearly not. That's

978
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: pale in comparisons, are not good enough. One note, isn't

979
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: the problem that this Hall of Fame is voted on

980
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: by sportswriters and the Manning name is royalty in football

981
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl titles out. No, But I'm saying that

982
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: that helps you lie Manning, whether you like it or not.

983
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: And then there's those two things. He's not a Hall

984
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: of Fame, right, But the problem is there's also quarterbacks

985
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame statistically, and I guess it's eras,

986
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: but like, we're gonna have to keep looking at eras

987
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: so differently. But there's gonna be quarterbacks that don't get

988
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame that absolutely dwarf the accomplishments

989
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: of Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Of course, Matthew Stafford is

990
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: gonna have better numbers than most of the Hall of

991
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Fame quarterbacks. I hear it. So why the Hall of

992
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: Fame is not sense? Here's another thing. There's no one

993
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: in the top like he's never in the top five

994
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: of any the only categories. He's ever led the league

995
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: in DAN interceptions, he's done that three. He's never the best.

996
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: He has never been the best. But that doesn't mean

997
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: he's not a Hall of Famer. And let me just

998
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: tell you something. And you hate team I I hate

999
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: to break this to you. First of all, he beat

1000
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl one m v P.

1001
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: In both those games, he is already eighth all time

1002
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: and touchdown passes and you could say, oh, four hundred

1003
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: touchdown passes don't mean anything, but only one to three

1004
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: four guys have ever done it, and behind him right now,

1005
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers will maybe get it. Ben Roethlisberg will maybe

1006
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: get it, Aaron Rodgers will maybe get it. All those

1007
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: guys are going to the Hall of Fame. Four touchdowns

1008
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: does matter. So you could try to denigrate his stats.

1009
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't work. You counting Counting stats aren't what put football

1010
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: players in the Hall of Fame. What about winning super Bowls?

1011
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean that's what super bowls. To point something, you're

1012
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: actually you're saying four un touch that's another hundred. That's

1013
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: the point of this article. I'm saying he needs another

1014
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying he needs another two to three good years

1015
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: of loading up some of these individual stats like Peyton

1016
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: have a good post thirty five. You're right, some of

1017
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: his best years are the last two years, and I

1018
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: think he's been solid. He's been more on that top

1019
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: ten borderline the last couple of years, and if he

1020
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: puts up another couple with Odell's help, I think I

1021
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: think he's probably in. You know, you guys know I

1022
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: respect your football knowledge more than anything, But this is

1023
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: the one thing I cannot stand for because the one

1024
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: thing I feel strong more strongly about. Okay, can I

1025
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: make a point I haven't been able to make any

1026
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: point yet. Not yet. I'm waiting for it. Okay, So

1027
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: I know the middle militaristic stats nerds tell you that

1028
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: you can never mention quarterback wins and losses, which makes

1029
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: sense over one season, but it bears out over NFL history,

1030
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks have great one lost records. Eli Manning

1031
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: is nineties seven and eighty six, which is downright Medio

1032
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: lost his do matter for quarterbacks because I thought that's

1033
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: my entire point, that the stats nerds are wrong that well,

1034
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a stats third. I'm telling you that they've

1035
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: always mattered and they always will. For career, he's been

1036
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: a mediocre quarter back, which bears out in his record.

1037
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: I've been I've been told by people that know football

1038
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: that you should not judge a quarterback on wins. Are

1039
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: you sure those people know football? They just no number?

1040
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Not only, but I think that speaks to what I

1041
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: was trying to get at with Eli, which is that

1042
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make the stats argument, he's not great there,

1043
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna make the wins lost argument, he's

1044
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: really not great there. He, like you said, is only

1045
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: ten over for his whole career. He he has the

1046
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls, which he deserves all the credit in

1047
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: the world. He was great in those two runs. Those

1048
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: are the only two seasons he's won a playoff game.

1049
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: And it's not like the rest of the twelve years

1050
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: they've been a good team. They've been a mediocre team.

1051
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Can we just spring little Debbie back in the studio?

1052
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: This is just ugly. Let's move from Eli. I mean, well,

1053
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: you're looking at counting stats, not like percentage stats. I'm

1054
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: not trying, but you're much more talented. Let's talk about

1055
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: someone everyone likes. You know, people are happy at that.

1056
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about somebody else I don't know.

1057
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: Well there, I did have two other quarterbacks on this one.

1058
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I put Rivers, who I think is Uh. I put

1059
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: him in the best bet category where I think if

1060
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: he can have a strong run, And I was trying

1061
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: to think of players like him in Romo who could

1062
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: really change the way people think about them with a

1063
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: long playoff run. Because Rivers has all the numbers, he's

1064
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: been in the top of the league, but it's been

1065
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: a while since he's had some big time moments. UH

1066
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: in January, So the organology and that a super Bowl

1067
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: run should matter for a quarterback, then absolutely it's gonna

1068
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: it's absolutely gonna make a difference. Does anyone a super

1069
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: Bowl run shouldn't matter. It's always not saying that that's

1070
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: not enough. Jim Plunkets one two super bowls, Jimmy Johnson's

1071
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: one two super bowls, George Seyffert's one too super a

1072
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: coach are the two guys that that those are the

1073
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: two most important people are quarterbacks and coaches. Have a

1074
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: coaches that's a whole different Hall of Fame argument. They

1075
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: that whole there should be more coaches. All I mean

1076
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: is that we're not just talking Hall of Fame championships,

1077
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: because of course, should be more offensive coordinators in the

1078
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, because there's Doug you know, there's Doug Williams,

1079
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: There's Brad Johnson. There's lots of quarterbacks that have titles,

1080
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: and Dan Marino does it, and no one's gonna argue.

1081
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: I get that. But there's something about I'm not gonna

1082
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: go back to Eli Manning, but I I'm just I'm

1083
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame voter, and there's a reason

1084
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: for it. But there's something about a quarterback that generates

1085
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: multiple championships, right I. I think Rivers and Romo have

1086
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: been let down by their organizations. If they were on

1087
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: the giants, I fully think they would take advantage of

1088
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: that opportunities, just like Eli Man and Had. I think

1089
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: Rivers is a safer one. He's had a little bit

1090
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: longer his career, a little more consistent than Romo. But

1091
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: Romo could really change the way people think about him

1092
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: with a big run. Who else we got here? I

1093
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: was gonna accuse Greg of playing favorites, but he already

1094
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: acknowledged that this article was partially about playing favorites. The

1095
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: you want to argue for the guys that you like. Yeah,

1096
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: I I even said at the top, this isn't comprehensive.

1097
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to make some cases. Well under Jamal Charles,

1098
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: you say I favorite players with brilliant peaks over stat

1099
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: compilers who stick around for a long time, which makes

1100
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: sense to me. I agree with you totally, And yet

1101
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: Frank Gore is exactly a stat compiler and not a

1102
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: brilliant peak gut and very consistent. Though well that's what

1103
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: a stack compiler is, sure, but I mean it's I

1104
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: say Frank Gore as an argument I did consider that.

1105
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: I mean I I thought about that even as I

1106
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: wrote that that Gore is different. I think Gore's chances

1107
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: of getting in are because of compiling those stats. I

1108
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: think he has been a top five running back throughout

1109
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: his career, and that it's been under appreciated, and that

1110
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: that people will notice more. If he gets seven eight

1111
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards this year, if he's the first guy over

1112
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: thirty three to run for a thousand yards in thirty

1113
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: years since John Riggins, if he climbs past Tony Dorset

1114
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: and Jim Brown and his number eight on the all

1115
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: time list, that's gonna help him possibly get in. I

1116
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: think he has been a Hall of Fame quality player

1117
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: throughout the rest of his I wonder how many running

1118
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: backs of the Super Bowl era have only cleared thirt

1119
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: h yards in a season one time? Probably not a lot.

1120
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: You have an Koon Bolden last on this list, and

1121
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't think, Yeah, he's probably not gonna get in,

1122
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: but I like that you put him here because he's

1123
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: an underappreciated guy for what he's done in the sleep Well,

1124
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: he he'll get knocked. He'll compile some stats like Gore,

1125
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: and if he's lucky. He could move up into the

1126
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: top ten, top twelve all time receiving, which is great.

1127
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: He put up numbers as a number one receiver, monster

1128
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: numbers before Larry Fitzgerald was there. I don't knock him

1129
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: for being a great team player. He was the number

1130
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: one receiver for two years on some pretty good forty

1131
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: niners teams, number one one of them that went to

1132
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,479
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, uh don't know, went to the NFC

1133
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: Championship rather. And he has some of those moments in

1134
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs that people remember. They would not have won

1135
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in Baltimore without him. He had at

1136
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: some great moments in Arizona, he had some San Francisco.

1137
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you shouldn't knock them for being

1138
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: a team player. He fits the hindes Ward profile, and

1139
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: I think if one goes then it would be hindes

1140
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Ward over Bolden. The Hall of Fame as a problem though,

1141
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: because ten fifteen years from now we're going to have

1142
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: all these players with monster stats and Super bowls and

1143
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: they're not. There's gonna be such a glut that a

1144
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: big chunk of guys that if they, if it were four,

1145
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: would have gotten in unanimously with no issues and they're

1146
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna be left out of this thing because the game

1147
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: changes and we're still measuring it off of some Willie

1148
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: Nilly sportswriter voting thing. Well, it's on the sports writers

1149
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: to kind of, well, but are we happy with how

1150
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: the results that they produced? I think it's hit or miss.

1151
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: My point would be, if you're saying that it's going

1152
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: to be more challenging than the future because of the

1153
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: offensive heavy era that we that we're playing in, on

1154
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: the sports writers to kind of take a page out

1155
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: of Dr Z and Paul's Immerman's book and actually watched

1156
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: the games. I would say, every year you remove two

1157
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: people from the Hall of Well, I I here. I

1158
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: wanted to One of the things that I took out

1159
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: of this you know, way too long article was I

1160
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: think it's it's the hardest sport to cover because there's

1161
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: the biggest gap between the people inside the game and

1162
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: the people that cover We understand the sport less, I think,

1163
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's exacerbated by a lot of the

1164
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame committee. They're covering one team most of

1165
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: their career. How can you know, at least if you're

1166
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: covering the entire league, and they certainly have homer votes. Right,

1167
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: you have you have a broad view where you can

1168
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: see how players are versus each other. But if you're

1169
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: really covering one team and one division, you know it.

1170
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: Does the committee still have a Baseball Beat writer on it? Why?

1171
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: I know which one you're thinking is? Yeah, I mean,

1172
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: come on, clean up your business, committee. I did check.

1173
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: It looked tightened up. It looked tightened up. Now, Mark,

1174
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like from what you were saying that you're

1175
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: not happy with the committee. Is there someone recently in

1176
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: the last couple of years that got in that you're

1177
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: furious about, or someone that's not in that you believe

1178
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: that we're are the miscarriages of justice in your mind.

1179
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: I I'm not gonna denigrate the players that have gotten in.

1180
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: If you're gonna put in Andre Reid, We've got a

1181
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: conversation about a lot of other wide receivers. I'm not

1182
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: saying that Andre Reid where he was in time, what

1183
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: didn't belong it compared to other players. But if you're

1184
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: gonna put him in, then that that opens that creates

1185
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: a problem for other wide receiver selection issues down the road. Right,

1186
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: I think I think that's right. I think that's why

1187
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: I put a name like gan Quan Bold in there,

1188
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: because I think you never know. If he has one

1189
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: more thousand yards season, he ends up doing that for

1190
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: four different team that like him. Versus an Art Monk

1191
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid. He's in that mix if you don't

1192
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: put Romo in. And I understand the super Bowl thing,

1193
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: but it's it's an Eras and Super Bowls thing because

1194
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: I understand the passing game was different, and you would

1195
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: Emmet Smith on your team, But Troy Aikman statistics versus

1196
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: versus Romo's outside the super Bowl thing, Troy Romo will

1197
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: be absolutely missed in Dallas. And I think he is

1198
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback minus the title, and so

1199
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: we It's just you're making different arguments for different players.

1200
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: It's hard not to feel hypocritical when you swing back

1201
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: and forth for what players should get in on. I

1202
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: think Romo, first of all, he didn't start until his

1203
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: mid twenties to really get playing time. He's missed a

1204
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: couple of years, and then you factor in the back.

1205
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, the back injuries have affected his stats and

1206
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: the missing time. I don't think he'll have the numbers

1207
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: to stack up, and then if he doesn't have any titles,

1208
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: I think he could be on the outside. You you

1209
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: keep saying numbers is in counting stats, but I think

1210
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: that voters do and will take more into account percentage

1211
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 1: that's which are much more reflective of how a player plays.

1212
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: And Romo is second all time in in something called

1213
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: net yards for passing at tempt which is a great

1214
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: metric to use. I mean, how how when you're back,

1215
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: when you're you know, going back to pass, how many

1216
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: yards do you get on average? Second all time to

1217
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning? And how get in the Hall of Fame though,

1218
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm but that's on the committee to start

1219
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: paying attention to the right stats and not the wrong one.

1220
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: And what they've RiPP him for some of his numbers

1221
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: in the clutch are startling. I mean, Romo, there was

1222
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: two seasons ago was right up there with Aaron Rodgers

1223
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: and others. I just I think that again, Romo, I

1224
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: think the early part of his career was so maligned

1225
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: because of one playoff game in Seattle. If that had

1226
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: not happened, people would have seen Tony Romo differently. And

1227
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: it's an image perception thing with so many crazy because

1228
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: he was the holder, and they decided to keep him

1229
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: the holder of the whole year because he started that

1230
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: out like that because he was a no name, undrafted player.

1231
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous. But before we go, I I

1232
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: do want to point out Julius Peppers. Looking at this,

1233
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: I started thinking, Gosh, as much as I've always thought

1234
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: of a Julius Peppers going through the whole thing, Man,

1235
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: is he an incredible player who almost shouldn't be on

1236
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: this list because he should he should be so obvious.

1237
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: Maybe he is, but I don't know if people view

1238
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: him that way. He has had an unreal career. Andre

1239
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: Johnson is another one. Uh. I think I'd vote for

1240
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson right now? Yeah, I think he I think

1241
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: he's probably pretty safe, but you know, I wanted to

1242
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: make the case for him. I also put in James

1243
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: Harrison just to annoy Mark Ssler. I I think James Harrison.

1244
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, this has the longer got

1245
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: every James Harrison. If you want to talk about how

1246
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: if someone has annoyed me for most of my adult

1247
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: life and that's a Hall of Fame vote. He gets in,

1248
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: and so does Big Ben. Poor Colt McCoy. Oh. I

1249
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of Hall of Fame Steelers from

1250
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: this past fifteen years. Yes, there are. I couldn't get

1251
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: West on my side even that that Harrison had any

1252
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: argument at all, which was that he was a top

1253
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: five player on defense for a five year period. So

1254
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of the Terrell Davis argument. He doesn't have

1255
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: a ton of else other than that. He's got some

1256
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: other moments. But that's impressive when you're Defensive Player of

1257
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: the Year, when you're runner up and and you're just

1258
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: that type of player. I agree with that point that

1259
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: for a five year span he was dominant. I just

1260
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: think he's not going to get in because he didn't start.

1261
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: He didn't become a starter until he was twenty nine

1262
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: years old. What else can be said? Greg wrote a banger.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this week's edition of the three editions

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Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL podcast. We thank you all

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Speaker 1: for listening, and how are we doing? Greg on the

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Speaker 1: iTunes comments challenge, I'm putting on the spot here. See

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Speaker 1: how quickly you can move that mouse looks very slow.

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Speaker 1: I can't even check it right. Well, I could check

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Speaker 1: it on my phone. I know we were approaching. What's

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Speaker 1: going on over there? They wiped my whole computer because

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Speaker 1: of security issues and I don't even have it. John

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Speaker 1: King of CNN over here, what's going on? I don't

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Speaker 1: have it? Just you got a MacBook and I've able

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Speaker 1: to check it out for me, but you couldn't. It's okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll cut this out. Yeah, we'll cut this. I think

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Speaker 1: this is good. Let's keep it in and show them

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Speaker 1: how this how this room really operates. Yeah, let's find it.

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Speaker 1: I'll rag on his phone slowly, Dan, I have it

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Speaker 1: if you want it, Yeah, I would love it. There's

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Speaker 1: a thousand and five ratings. Whoa, hey, now, way to

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Speaker 1: go listen, there's let's go to two thousands. See, we

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Speaker 1: got some momentum by asking for it. You uh, you

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Speaker 1: should be very proud there, Greg, because you made you

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Speaker 1: really made action happen. He said, you're not the boss anymore.

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Speaker 1: Everybody who leaves in iTunes review was invited to Westlemania three.

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Speaker 1: Your neighbors will love that. All right, We'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Monday with three more shows. Um. Until then, this

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansons signing off four Quiet Storm, A Mailman,

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Speaker 1: the Boss and the Irishman behind the glass still Monday,