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Speaker 1: about the grinders and what life looks like for people

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Speaker 1: not flying in private plants. Um. So this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: Matt joined us Michael Allen myself and we talked John

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Speaker 1: everything that I love about the Fire Drill. It's the

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Speaker 1: four of us talking golf. Here we go that do

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Speaker 1: my head can't get jan Nothing think what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: That can't get him. Now, Jen not to think what

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. Hello, this is Alan ship Knuck back

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Speaker 1: for another Fire Drill podcast, as always, joined by Michael

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Speaker 1: of Matt Janella joining us. We have Philadelphia, ocean side,

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Speaker 1: final round at Riviera. John Ram is a monster. He's

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Speaker 1: we're talking about this guy all year. He seems like

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Speaker 1: It's an elevated event. There's all these different layers to this.

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Speaker 1: looking to Tiger as the guy, you know, who I

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Speaker 1: want to idolize and marvel at in anything other than

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Speaker 1: just the competitor. Tiger the competitor and what he's done

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Speaker 1: for the game of golf and what he does for

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Speaker 1: us when he's on camera trying to beat his his peers,

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Speaker 1: what he's done to to create the John Rams and

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Speaker 1: the Max Homas and the Justin Thomas is and cultivating

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Speaker 1: this engaging with this next generation. I'm I'm all for it.

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Speaker 1: I think watching him over the course of the last

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Speaker 1: four days at Riviera. Do what he did, Shoot what

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Speaker 1: he shot, Hit it three and thirty five yards, you know,

435
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: drive it by all these guys, swing speed. I'm like, okay,

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00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: every time he tease it up, I'm with Tiger. I

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00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: think he can potentially win win a golf to him,

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Speaker 1: Ben Crendaw had no business winning the Masters the second time.

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00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 1: He had no game. Nothing was going to say that

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00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: he was capable of doing that. He caught magic, Harvey Peenix,

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00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: Funeral came in Boom won the Masters. Jack Nicholas had

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00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: no business winning the eighties six Master. He was done.

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Speaker 1: He came back in one one another major champion, you know,

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Speaker 1: Darren Clark done one an Open. Cheff Adam Scott was done.

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00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: He was flawed. He can't win wins a major. Che

446
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: like Justin Rose at the age of thirty two wins

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00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: the US Open like he was gone again. I keep saying,

448
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: if they all can do it, then why can't Tiger.

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Speaker 1: You know Tom Watson at the age of fifty nine

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Speaker 1: almost won an Open championship. So if Tom Watson can

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Speaker 1: do it at the age of fifty nine, you don't

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Speaker 1: think Tiger Woods can't. Of course he can. If he

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Speaker 1: can hit it three thirty and be Tiger Woods and

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Speaker 1: finished four rounds like he just did at a very

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Speaker 1: hard walking golf course, then you know I'm here to

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Speaker 1: watch him go on and win another PGA Tour event

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Speaker 1: and or majors or do whatever he wants to do

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Speaker 1: in the game of golf. If I'm looking to Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods to be a role model for me as a man,

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00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: or for my kids to role model him as like

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Speaker 1: how he conducts himself off the course, or if he

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Speaker 1: happens to get caught sliding a tan packs to Justin

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Speaker 1: Thomas in a very private sort of jovial uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: buddy to buddy, little side joke that obviously he orchestrated

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: well before you know, walking off that t he knew

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Speaker 1: he was going to drive it by these guys, and

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00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: he set that up in which he was gonna and

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00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: it happened to get caught by a camera that zoomed

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00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: in and realized, oh, he was passing him a tampon.

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Speaker 1: It's like, did did it surprise anybody on this podcast

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00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: that Tiger Woods is like a sense of humor is

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00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: always been like the least impressive thing about Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 1: He has been laughed at by people his whole life,

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether the jokes are funny or not. He's

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Speaker 1: not you know, he can say something funny. We all can.

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Speaker 1: He's just not a comedian. He's not who I'm looking

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Speaker 1: to like. He is the most awkward guy I've ever

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Speaker 1: one of the most awkward people I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: But I'm marveled at his competitive nature, is dog and

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00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: approach to trying to be the greatest of all time.

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00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: I marveled at his two wins in fifteen majors. But

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Speaker 1: when he does ship like that, it's like, yeah, that's Tiger.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you know, I'm you know, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to debate the merits of whether or

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Speaker 1: not it was a funny joke. Um, but it is

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Speaker 1: revealing and certainly there there's been a lot of discussion

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Speaker 1: about it, and the comment is amused me the most

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Speaker 1: on Twitter is it it was just a private joke

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Speaker 1: between two guys. It's like Tiger, more than anybody knows

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Speaker 1: that every single thing he does or says is always

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Speaker 1: going to be looked at through a magnifying glass. Believe

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Speaker 1: he's in the middle of a tournament and he no

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Speaker 1: matter how SMOOTHI is. People are gonna see something some handoff.

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Speaker 1: The whole point is to get a reaction from justin

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00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: someone's gonna catch it. They zooming on everything. I mean,

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00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: remember his his his chip two years ago. He tried

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Speaker 1: to hide that under the scarf, like he should know

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Speaker 1: more than anyone that it's going to get found out.

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Speaker 1: And as you say, man, it was clearly like you know,

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Speaker 1: how long is he carrying in his pocket for holes?

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00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: Like what if it fallen out and he's going to

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Speaker 1: mark a putt? Like the whole thing is just like

503
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: so ridiculous and sophomoric and um, but it is revealing

504
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: of who Tiger really is. And we've known it all along.

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00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Go back to g Q at the beginning. Why he

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Speaker 1: stopped hating the press started hating the press in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's got like this odd sense of humor. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's basically it's one of things that happens when you

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Speaker 1: become famous. Is I think your development basically stops when

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Speaker 1: you become famous. Whatever age that is. So for Tiger

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00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: it was definitely twenty, but possibly sixteen or seventeen, Like

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00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: he's never really matured beyond that, and there's little glimpses

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Speaker 1: of it in opportune times, like what just happened. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we're not gonna pretend it was an international crisis,

515
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: but it was just kind of dumb and it it

516
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Speaker 1: definitely be smirched. It was otherwise an impressive performance. But

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Speaker 1: I will say I don't fully agree with what you said, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Like all those guys you cited who who pulled off

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00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: unlikely major championship victories, their bodies were sound now, their

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00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: golf games could come and go um, and they had

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00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: things going on their lives, whether it's Jack facing the

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Speaker 1: bankruptcy or Ben crunch I was losing his his his instructor.

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Speaker 1: But Tiger, can he wake up four days in a

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Speaker 1: row after three or four or seven or eight days

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Speaker 1: of preparation? Can you wake up four days in a

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Speaker 1: row at a major championship where his body feels good

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00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: and he's able to make the swings he wants and

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00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: he's not exhausted by the last five holes, And like,

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Speaker 1: look at Ben Hogan, I mean, majors, did you went

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Speaker 1: after the car crash? That that is the precedent. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, there's clearly still some magic and

532
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: Tiger's hand some of those shots he hit. He remains

533
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: a great tactician, and a lot of these these majors

534
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: become more like chess than anything else, so you can

535
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: never count them out. But you know, if you just

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Speaker 1: if you look at at his results in all these

537
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: events since has come back, he just gets generally worse

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00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: as the week goes on and Sundays when he's really struggling,

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and um, so maybe that can change, but it doesn't

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00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: feel like what's going on in his body can initially

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Speaker 1: be rehabbed in a gym, right It's not like I

542
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: don't think he can make his ankle stronger, or he

543
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: would have by now. He's had a lot of time,

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00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: right Like, it feels like he's probably as good as

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00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: he can be physically right now. I don't know how

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00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: he gets twenty or or sixty year eight percent better,

547
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: which is what what he probably needs. So obviously I'm

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00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: not I'm not a physical trainer. I just play one

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: on the internet. But um, it's hard to imagine Tiger

550
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: is gonna get any better physically, and he can only

551
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: get worse. So whether he's got four days in a

552
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: row of really clean golf, which is what's gonna take

553
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: to beat John rom right now. I mean also eight

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00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: thousand yards on at Augusta National when you count it

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00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: all in, I mean, look at how optimized rom is

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00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: and Max Homa and camp Smith he'll be at the

557
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: Majors and Ry McIlroy. Tiger has to be all those guys.

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: They're not all to have a bad week at the

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00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: same time, Like he's just given up so much. Um

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00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: So I just want to clip this. I just want

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00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: to clip this Jake, Clip this Jake, and he's this

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00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: is going to be the lead on the Sunday Night

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00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: Masters when I slipping on the green jacket. I've been

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00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: wrong before. None of what you're going to say now

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00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: is going to be it part of the clip that

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Speaker 1: we show. So it's too late, so you've already you've

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00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: already said it. We're not gonna add like but but

568
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: but you know, no but but nothing like everyone's gonna

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Speaker 1: destroy you guys when we just take that minute and

570
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: to half like he impossible, no way, he can't do it,

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00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: And it's just like, oh, Tiger's putting another green jacket.

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00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: I didn't say it's impossible. I didn't say he can't

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Speaker 1: do it again. And none of what you're about to

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00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: say it's gonna help the clip. This this golf course

575
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: has always been his nemesis. I think just if you

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00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: look at his ability, his swing speed, is ability to

577
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: move the golf ball, and given his competitive nature and

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00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: his hands and his ability to get the ball in

579
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: the hole and what he does, you know under pressure,

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00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean eight two and fifteen. Add up all the guys,

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Speaker 1: will you just talk about list them, go through all

582
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: their You can't add up their credentials to get to

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00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: eighty two and fifteen. If Tiger could take a golf

584
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: cart in the Major's, I would say he's much more dangerous.

585
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: He has to walk thirty miles in four days. He

586
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: can't get from the parking lot for the first team

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00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: without a major pimp swag because he's just he can't.

588
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: He's got a huge limp. Like do you guys follow

589
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: the Twitter account old takes exposed of course for moments

590
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: just like this right here, that clip is going to

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Speaker 1: go viral of like's if he couldn't took a card,

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00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: or he can't do it, or he can't walk there,

593
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: and then they'll like it. It'll just be like, oh,

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00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: here's Alan and Matt talking about how Tiger alright to

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00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: be wrong. Michael, what are your thoughts if well, now

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00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: you've you've started, You've started eighty two and fifteen a

597
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: number of times. Those are iconic, iconic numbers. Can you

598
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: imagine if he can get to eighty three and sixteen.

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00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: If he gets eighty three and sixteen, then of course

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00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: he's got snead. But then I think the math is

601
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: going to change and people are going to go back

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00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: to the eighties six math, which was oh, Jack nikl

603
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: was just one of his twenty major and I'm by

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00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: that math, Tiger will be up to right help me

605
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: out rrect he would, He's still behind Jack. But one, okay,

606
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: the races on the race has been on for a

607
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: quarter century. I mean, listen, it would be spectacular. I

608
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: was on the grounds of nineteen Augusta and it was epic,

609
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: and I never thought that would happen. And I said

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00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: that ahead of that for years, Like I think I said,

611
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, after all the surgeries and

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: the chip yips and shooting eighty five the memorial, and

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00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: you know that humongous gouge you made on the first

614
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: tea box at St. Andrew's and all that. I mean,

615
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: as iftographers can come back and win any tournament, even

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00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: the Bob Hope. It'll be one of the greatest accomplishens

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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: of his career. And not only he won that, he

618
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: won the Tour Championship, he won the freaking Masters. Like,

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00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: I've been wrong before, and that's why I've never definitive,

620
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: like you're trying to make it out to be Ryan,

621
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: I always leave a little wiggle room again, Yeah, but

622
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: they can edit out that wiggle room all and you

623
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: still get buried. We're not running any of this. The

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00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: clip that we're going to take out is very definitive.

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00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I would. People being people, they they'll say things like, oh,

626
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: does old Ship Nuck know that's not called the Bob

627
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: Hope anymore. I think he knows, but he'll still make

628
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: it out to think like still, Michael, I would. I'd

629
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: be curious just to get your thoughts, given your place

630
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: in the game and your perspective. But Tiger the man

631
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: and evolution and the the you know, the the odd

632
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: sense of humor and the incident with Justin Thomas and

633
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: what what what what's your what are your thoughts on

634
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: all that. You know, the overall statement on Tiger will

635
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: always be what it was from the beginning, from the

636
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: most unlikely background, with a mother who's an immigrant, a

637
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: father who faced so much racism as a kid, who

638
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: grew up playing not country clup golf but military golf,

639
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: who came at the game with a completely different perspective

640
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: and dominated like nobody has ever dominated any sport ever.

641
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: Really secretary would probably be the only thing that comes

642
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Speaker 1: to mind. So he Kelly Slater, Okay, that's interesting. Um,

643
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: not knowledge to to know that, but I'll take your

644
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Speaker 1: word for that. But I think he'll go down in

645
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: history that all that other stuff will just sort of

646
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: fall by the wayside, and we'll think of him as

647
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: we think of you know, the great boxer years of

648
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: of yesteryear, as just a completely dominant athlete for whom

649
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: the mindset was everything. And you take all the talent

650
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: in the world and then have the mindset of um,

651
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: I will not accept defeat. And we are definitely including

652
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: this week seeing it still to this day he nearly

653
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: killed himself in that car crash. That car crash is

654
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: completely inexplicable, and we don't need to get into it

655
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: because we've we've done it before. And to come back

656
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: and just to be able to play four rounds of

657
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: golf and beat a lot of people, beat everybody who

658
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: didn't make the cut, and then beat you know, twenty

659
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: or so other players. I don't know the exact number.

660
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: Is a remarkable statement to the broad thing of what

661
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: we're saying. There is no quit in this person's mentality,

662
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: and uh, he separated himself from the crowd forever on

663
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: that basis alone. You don't, Michael, you don't think that

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Speaker 1: all the off the core stuff is going to be

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00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: part of how tires thought of. Because it's certainly it's

666
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: it's l evaded Jack Nicholas in that he was such

667
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: a classy champion and he was such a gracious loser

668
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: and tigers both of those things too. But when you

669
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: know the the totality of why Nicholas has been so

670
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: revered for so long, it was just the way he

671
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: he lived his life with with Barbara and the kids

672
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: and all this and that, and um, you know, for

673
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: better and for worse, it becomes part of how athletes

674
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: are remembered. And you don't think that's gonna be I mean,

675
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: because when I watched Tiger now I feel a deep

676
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: pang of melancholy because he's just destroyed his body in

677
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: so many different ways, and it's been mostly willful and

678
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: and like it's the ultimate what if in in Gulf

679
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: is would take away the sex scandal? How many how

680
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: many majors does does Tiger have? I mean that sent

681
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: that derailed his career in a profound way, and whatever

682
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: he was searching for in the kill house with the

683
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: green berets when he hurt his knee, and you know,

684
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: possible he busted as Achilles and all these things like

685
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: this all has played got him to where he is now.

686
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: And you know the car accident, uh, you know, as

687
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: he always said, it's in the police report, it isn't

688
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: the police report. I mean that pedal was held down

689
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: a force throughout the whole thing. That's you can't say

690
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: he fell asleep or he was just he was just

691
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: texting like something really dark cap in there. And you

692
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: know he's just his It's a monumental career even without

693
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: without all that others. But to me, it's the ultimate

694
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: what if. And um, so you know he's he's a

695
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: year older what than Jack was when he won the Masters,

696
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: But like Jack and Arnie, they were hailing hardy into

697
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: their sixties and seventies. I mean, they could still swing

698
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: the club, and they could still they could still walk

699
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: golf courses and in competitive golf was part of their

700
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: life still, and that Tigers taken that away from himself

701
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: in a large part. I mean, so, I don't know.

702
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: I I agree that the Tiger's the most dominant golf

703
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: has ever lived, despite everything, but I do think that

704
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: everything is part of his legacy. Alan It's fascinating to

705
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: hear you all say all that. You remind me of

706
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: somebody I know very well, me because that's exactly how

707
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: I feel about everything. But I've got a big accept

708
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: and the big accept is this, It's the power of

709
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: the Nike argument. Winning takes care of everything. I think,

710
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: all those things that are so important to the four

711
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: of us, all those subtle things. How how big Jack

712
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: handled all those nineteen runner up finishes and the majors.

713
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: We saw the arm go around uh Watson at Turnberry

714
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: and literally hundreds of other things. You know, how he

715
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: handled the President's Cup in South Africa and the thing

716
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: with Jacqueline and give him the put at the Ryder Cup.

717
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Literally a hundred plus things over the years, and Tiger

718
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: doesn't have that. But we live in a culture now

719
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: where it's all about how do you make the money,

720
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: how do you win? Not how do you win studio

721
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: win the tournaments. Uh he's got the eight three in

722
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: the sixteen whatever turns out to be in the end,

723
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: and uh no, And if we're really talking about legacy,

724
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: if that's what this conversation is now about, No, I

725
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: don't think all those other things that are so meaningful

726
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: to the four of us, I don't think, broadly speaking,

727
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they'll they'll matter. Just just

728
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: one quick additional thought to that. I was stunned, Not stunned,

729
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: that really wouldn't be the right word. But I was

730
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: interested to hear Tigers referred to Arnold as quote my hero.

731
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: And I knew that he admired Arnold greatly, and there's

732
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: a lot to admire about Arnold. But these two guys

733
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: couldn't be more different. But when he said that, it

734
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: tells me. I think it tells me that he wishes

735
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: he had what Arnold had, which is natural warmth, natural

736
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: desire to be around people, and just really, at the

737
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, an immense comfort with himself, enjoy

738
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: from being the person that he is, where I don't

739
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: think Tiger sadly has that. I'll take it from one

740
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: different angle that one of the people in this conversation

741
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: that we're talking about outside of Tiger was a famous

742
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: womanizer too. It's a different time, right, like the correct

743
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: and the social media and TMZ and all of those

744
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: things changed golf, Like I mean, ja can cut it

745
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: out or whatever. I mean, I don't know. It was

746
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: a famous womanizer. We all know that, Like, like he

747
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: had people, but like it's a different time, right, Like

748
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: no one ever took pictures of anyone else where. It is,

749
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: so I think I'm not an article. I mean, my

750
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: deeper thoughts are in an article. It'll be out today.

751
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: But like his transgressions are indefensible. Uh, but it's a

752
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: different time, like we didn't we didn't, we didn't live

753
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: in a world where every movement of every famous person

754
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: was put on social media. I totally agree with you know,

755
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: part of me thinks that that's you know, why Tiger

756
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: wishes he could be our you know, could be Arnold Palmer,

757
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: could could do do whatever he was doing. The womanizing

758
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: and the drug addictions and the you know, getting pulled

759
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: over and not even knowing what state he's in. I mean,

760
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: the car accidents. The Again, he's a flawed individual, and

761
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: so is Phil and you know, in many ways, so

762
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: was Arnold Palmer and you know Jack Nicholas. I mean,

763
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: everybody has their their stuff. But you know, Ray Lewis

764
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: is on ESPN being lauded as like one of the

765
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: great like you know, George Foreman was a flawed individual

766
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: and reinvented himself. You know Tom Weiskoff, we talked about

767
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: him last week. You know, he belt with dealt with

768
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: alcohol addiction and and had had you know, had a

769
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: horrible reputation as a pro and reinvented himself, became an

770
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: incredible analyst, incredible architect, and shared openly about like all

771
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: the evolution he's got. Like at the end of the day,

772
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: they're people. These guys are are actually human beings. They're

773
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: going through their stuff. They were the products of their environment.

774
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: You know, Tiger it Is as a teen, was predicted

775
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: to like have more of an impact, or just as

776
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: much of an impact as Gandhi. Like what is that?

777
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Like where does like what is all of that? You know, so, yeah,

778
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: he's he's flawed, he's got issues. I've just compartmentalized him

779
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: and looked to him and marvel at him as strictly

780
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: like this competitor, you know, and when the gun goes off,

781
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: the guy is one of the toughest guys to beat,

782
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: regardless of the situation, and marvel at his his abilities

783
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: under pressure, his accomplishments inside the ropes, outside the ropes.

784
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. You know, he is it is

785
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: what he is. It's just he's an athlete. He is not.

786
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: He's not God's gift to like mankind beyond if you

787
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: really love and appreciate the game of golf, I just

788
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't try to make him something he's not.

789
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all well said, Matt. But part part

790
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: of why we care about athletes is because they are

791
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: humans and we get invested in their lives. I mean,

792
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: why was to use your example, like, why was the

793
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: crunch Ob victory so emotional? It's because it's because of

794
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: what was happening away from the golf course. You know

795
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: that the hug between Philip Amy and two thousand ten

796
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: because she had cancer. You know, when he wins the

797
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: masters for her, Like it's it's what's it's the it's

798
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the humanity that draws us to them. Otherwise they're just

799
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's sit in the same seven iron Who

800
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: cares that? I mean, okay, I'm gonna pop my article again,

801
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: but like, that's that is why I love Tiger is

802
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: he's flawed. I'm not defending any of those things, none

803
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: of them. I they're in defense of like, none of them.

804
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: But we're all, like I mean the opening articles, sit

805
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: and think about the worst mistake you've ever made in

806
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: your life and have it played out I'm in public

807
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: persona and be lauded from the age of two literally

808
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: as the greatest thing to mankind, and not grow up

809
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: with some sort of ego where you think that you

810
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: can get away with the things that Tigers thinks he

811
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: can get away with. Still the only three years ago

812
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: he was busted for for you know, d y or

813
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: under the influence. Um. I just uh, he's a flawed

814
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: human saw. We're all flawed, and he's amongst it. And

815
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: maybe he's more flawed than all of us. Uh, But

816
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: he has seemed to mature a little bit, seems to

817
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: be a good father. He gets along with Ellen, which

818
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: is or it seems to they Obviously we're not privy

819
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: to private conversation is but the fact that they share

820
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: custody and not have a public fighting court all the

821
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: time speaks to at least a little bit of uh

822
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: maturing on his part. So I see where you guys

823
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: are going from and taking from a different angle, and

824
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: that's great. I mean, that's I love that. And you know,

825
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: I have a lot of empathy for Tiger like he's

826
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: he's been through a lot. And I'm if I sound

827
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: like I'm judging in that, that's not it at all.

828
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at in the context of to me,

829
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: when I see his career and what could be, it's

830
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: hard not to feel a pain because it's you totally

831
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: agree with that too, But I mean, the the only

832
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: the only word that made would be better than career

833
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: for me in that sense sound would be his life.

834
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you look at Tiger Woods his

835
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: life and not being pain for him? And you know,

836
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: millions and millions of people would have traded place with

837
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer in a New York minute, But I don't

838
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: know that millions of people would trade to place with

839
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. I don't think Rory McElroy would trade places

840
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: of Tiger Woods. No, definitely, not um Or. I'm not

841
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: sure even a guy like Max Holm has never win

842
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: a major with Jane, would trade places with him. But

843
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: I'll be curious. No, you're you've You've done a lot

844
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: of reporting this here. Uh. One are the things that

845
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: separates live golf from the PGA Tours? Of course, the

846
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: size of the field. Tiger has such a big voice

847
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: in the tour, and what will happen to these elevated

848
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: events a year from now when there's a reconfiguration. What

849
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: these elevated events are? What do you think this if

850
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: Tiger could have his stamp on it, What do you

851
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: think the size of the field would be for for

852
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: the l A tournament. I want to say seventy It

853
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: may get Do you think that's what Tiger would want?

854
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: Only seventy? Or came out and said that's what he wants. Yeah,

855
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: Rory said that's what Tiger wants. You know that he

856
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: that's what he wants. I mean, honestly, Rory has more

857
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: juice and Tiger now because he's the guy who's talking

858
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: to players every week and he's on the board of directors,

859
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: and um, you know Tiger is, he's Tiger, but he's

860
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: not really playing a lot of PJ Tour events anymore.

861
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: So uh. And also, I mean, Tiger more than anybody else,

862
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: believes in a meritocracy. And so I think he would

863
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: say listen, if you want to, if you want to

864
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: be in the field, play better. I think he would

865
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: be the ultimate play better guy. And um, you can

866
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: always play your way into the field, but you gotta

867
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: make more birdies. So, um, it could, but there is

868
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: there's a vicious debate going on among the players, and

869
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: it could that could get bumped up to eighty or ninety. Um,

870
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, but even a hundred of streats. So I

871
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: I think seven eighty or ninety no cutter with a cut. Well,

872
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: when you get to that many people, you'd have to

873
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: have a cut. You know, seventy there's there's probably just enough.

874
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Uh you know what players from seventy, what's that cut?

875
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: Twenty players from seventy. No, seventy would be no cut.

876
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: Seveny would be no cut. If you get a hundred,

877
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: you gonna have to have a cut. But um, so

878
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: no I think this I think you know now Keith

879
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: Mitchell didn't play well. He swings beautifully. I like to

880
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: watch him and swing, But to me, with Kevin Keith

881
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: Mitchell in the mix makes the tournament more interesting. Yeah,

882
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: Kashmir Keith, he's fun to watch, I mean, but he's um,

883
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's who's upwardly mobile in his career.

884
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: And you know it's if you're in the top seventy,

885
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: you're stoked because then you know you're gonna show up

886
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: these tournaments a dozen times a year or whatever, and

887
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna make a check. You're gonna make

888
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: a fat check. You don't have to worry out making

889
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: the cut. And that's what these guys want. They want

890
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: to get paid. I mean they're pretty open about it.

891
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: So um, but anyway that that'll get announced, I believe

892
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: there's a there's a big player meeting at bay Hill

893
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: and I think, um, that's where it's gonna get unveiled

894
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: and it's gonna go public. So we'll we're not gonna

895
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: have to wait too much longer to to get the

896
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: resolution to this. But before we go, I think we

897
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: should just tip our caps to Bernhard Longer, who won

898
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: again today on the Senior Tour tied the all time

899
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: record for wins with guy named Hill or in um.

900
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: And you know, Michael, you're probably the world's foremost expert

901
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: on Bernhard Longer. You've written a ton about him, and uh,

902
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: like I was, I was like at the gym. I mean,

903
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't really follow the Senior to I don't know

904
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: who falls it super closely, And all of a sudden

905
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: it's like Bernard Longer gonna win this terment, Like, are

906
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: you kidding me? I mean it's the guy eighty yet

907
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable. Okay, I have a question. I have

908
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: a question before Michael answers better odds to win the Masters,

909
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Bernhard Longer or Tiger Woods. Bernhard Linger has absolutely zero chance.

910
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: Tiger has north of zero, so that that's not a question.

911
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: It's a question, but it's not if they play the

912
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: Masters for the members tease, I would say Bertie Longer

913
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: all the way. But at yards, I mean Tiger can

914
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: still move it. Now, you know, power is a big

915
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: thing there, so Um, the answer to you, the question

916
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: has to be Tiger, but it's it's not. I mean,

917
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: Bernie can't hit it three thirty yards. It's just not

918
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: you got it? You would that be great if they

919
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 1: if they said, you know what, we're gonna We're gonna

920
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: do something a little different this year. We're gonna play

921
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: it from from the members tease, and we're gonna bake

922
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: the greens out. We're gonna put the pins in crazy places.

923
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: And like I would be all in on that. Freddy

924
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: Reddy wins by Freddie. We have Freddie wins out, Like

925
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right about that. Uh. One of

926
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: the great moments from Jero thousand nineteen now. And you

927
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: and I talked about this when after Tiger one and

928
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: ro Hug bro Hug bro Hug and you know, with

929
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: Zack Johnson and Boba and various others who are hanging around,

930
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: and there's Bernhard at the end of the receiving line

931
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: and just a man full of regular conventional handshake from

932
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods to Bernhard Langer really spoke of Tiger's respect

933
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: for Langer. Uh. Head language effect for Tigers. I've spoken

934
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: about about about the able, but again, I mean, and

935
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: I've talked Bernard a lot, and I've i've you know,

936
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: I bumped into him from time to time crossing paths,

937
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, Here's what. Here's what Longer does. He outworks

938
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: his competition. He is on the right, He is a machine.

939
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: He is honing his game. John rom same thing, Max Homa.

940
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of years ago said I'm done

941
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: with podcast. I'm gonna focus. I'm gonna try to work

942
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: be the best I can possibly be. You know, there

943
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: is something to be said for people who work really

944
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: hard who also have talent and experience. I mean, that

945
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: is how Hail Irwin got to where he got. That's

946
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: why Longer has gotten to where he's got. That's where

947
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: Jack got to where he's got. Tiger is back to

948
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: where he is today, being able to walk, make a cut,

949
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: play four rounds, shoot four or five under like because

950
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: he's working at He's physically dedicating himself to getting to

951
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: a place where he can hit it yards off to

952
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: tea and compete against the guys he wants to compete with.

953
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean, they're oh by the way, work matters look

954
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: at Longer. Longer doesn't just rock up and try to

955
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: beat his competition. He outworks them, and that's why he's

956
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: had the career he's had. His physic actually looks almost

957
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: identical to what it does and what it didn't met made.

958
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, but what's amazing is he saws the need

959
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: and the desire to keep working like that into his

960
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: late sixties. Like that's what's incredible. It's incredible. But it is,

961
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: it's there, it lives in him. That's what he is.

962
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: It defines him. He's a golfer. He's dedicated to his craft.

963
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: He wants it, like you know, that's what's in him.

964
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: He's a golfer. Yeah, Carlos Franco is a golfer too.

965
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, but he didn't try very hard, but like

966
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, he probably had more talent than Bernhard longer.

967
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: But it's just like it's incredible, you know. I hope

968
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: that when I'm Bernie's age, like I'm grinded like that.

969
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: I have a Twitter follower who is so hung up

970
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: on on Bernhard Anchoring and and sends me pictures weekly

971
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: of Bernhard and finally I just replied to him today.

972
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: Usually ignore when I just replied us like it's the

973
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Champions Tour man. No one, no one is this mad

974
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: about about Bernhard uh Anchoring, but his career Ryan. I

975
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: actually have heard I have heard other players who are

976
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: plenty mad. But when you look at a really closely,

977
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, it's the blouse sweater that's making contact.

978
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: It's such a bad rule. They should have never allowed

979
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: in the first place. They should have kept putters for

980
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: thirty six inches or something. But as the Great Man says,

981
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I do have a fantasy, Matt,

982
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: like to hear your opinion on this and everybody else's

983
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: because everyone else to hurt me on this. I have

984
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: this fantasy that Tiger will turn the three senior majors

985
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: into a thing nobody's ever won. I don't think Garrett

986
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: Playerber did the British British Senior British US Senior Open

987
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: in the Senior p J Championship in the same year.

988
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: It would be me healthy Ish Ish Tiger at fifth

989
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: would say, I'm going after it. Uh. Do you think

990
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: if that happened, man, do you think it could turn

991
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: into a thing that people would care about if this

992
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: one particular golfer, Tiger woodskid it. Of course, any Tiger anything.

993
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: He made the PNC Father and Son a thing. It's

994
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: like he can turn anything into a thing. He's about

995
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: to turn simulator golf into a thing. He's doing it

996
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: right under the nose of everybody who's boxing at live

997
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: doing a breakaway tour. He and Rory have their own

998
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: breakaway tour. It's happening right as we speak, signing players,

999
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: making a team concept, creating you know, a more you know,

1000
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: a more livelier venture of the game of golf. Whatever

1001
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: Tiger does that involves a golf club and a golf ball.

1002
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: In some sense, it's just scoring is a thing. It's official. Well,

1003
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: so well match whatever, rinse and repeat. Well it was,

1004
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, not not to get too in the weeds

1005
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: on the future of the senior majors. But theoretically Phil

1006
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: could play those two You's band from the Senior Tour, right,

1007
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: It's like, because they're they're in the same the same

1008
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 1: little gray area as is everything else. So how about

1009
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: Phil and Tiger going at it head to head for

1010
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: the US Senior Open, Like that would be epics. So

1011
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: you're saying from the from the Senior he's not they're

1012
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: they're not. You know, those tournaments are not under the

1013
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: hammer of the PGA Tour. Yeah, I mean that that

1014
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: could be. You know, that's delicious to think about, And

1015
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: it goes to what I said forty minutes ago. I mean,

1016
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: tiger in a golf cart is dangerous and um, of

1017
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: course they don't really use them in the majors, do they.

1018
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't even watch the Senior Tour enough to know.

1019
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: I know they don't do it for the US Senior

1020
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: U their four rounds welcome. Yeah, if the Champions Tour

1021
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: had gone back to forty four years old, a long

1022
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: time ago, would would we be? It would would live exist?

1023
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: Like if if if, if these guys had the option

1024
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: of being able to extend their careers, the Paul Cases

1025
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: and the Graham mcdowells, and the you know, Ian Poulter's

1026
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: and all these guys that are going to march towards

1027
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: their you know, there that mid level zone in which

1028
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: they are struggling to compete against the twenty somethings, but

1029
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: they're not old enough to compete against the fifties somethings.

1030
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: Like why isn't the Champions Tour young? Why doesn't Why

1031
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: doesn't the Champions Tour get down and start competing in

1032
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: all of this by creating a scenario in which people

1033
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: have the choice of playing both tours or playing one

1034
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: or not the other, that's why not? Why not let

1035
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: these names that are in these tweener phases of their

1036
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: career have an outlet for competitive golf. Right, But now,

1037
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: I would say, Matt, I think twenty years ago, forty

1038
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: four look like a better number. Now, with guys staying

1039
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: as fit as they are, I think the probably is

1040
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: a good number. But but okay, then what then? Then?

1041
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: What happened with all the guys that are now gone

1042
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: to live that couldn't compete, you know, compete against the

1043
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. You say that It's sort of true, yes,

1044
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: from a technology, but the younger guys benefit from that

1045
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: same technology that the forties sums that they're benefiting from

1046
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: as well. And it's all relative, so is it? Can

1047
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: they still compete with a bad back or a bad

1048
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, Lee West? The names go on and on

1049
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: and on. This was their Outlive was an outlet in

1050
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: which they can keep making money playing quote competitive golf.

1051
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: You guys want to hear a shocker, And I think

1052
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: Alan knows this. The first live events in cheus, No,

1053
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: it's in Mexico. The second one in the United States

1054
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: and chews. I think, of course that nobody wants to

1055
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: like nobody don't care about that. If we're more invested

1056
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Speaker 1: in the actual competition on Lived, someone would do a

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: deep dive on the tournament venues because they're not a

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: plus and um. But there's certainly gonna be more articles

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01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: about the tenthile reviewer than about the Live schedule. But uh,

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah that that that course is no no bueno,

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: the one they're going to in Tulsa, when you're like

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01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: the fourth best course in Tulsa, that's a problem. The

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: one in Orlando, you would know that one. Matt um Alan,

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: can you just summarize for us to the San Francisco

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: federal ruling and if it's meaningful and what it means?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, man, we're touching them all on this podcast,

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: so it is meaningful. The um in in this big

1068
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: antitrust suit between the you know, Live is sued the

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01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: PGA tour Um. They're now in the deposition phase and

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: the the guy who runs a public investment fund, his

1071
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: excellency Yassir all ramayan Um, who's very involved in all

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01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: the negotiations and I've heard, you know when when he's

1073
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: part he's a big part of Live Golf. There's no

1074
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: question he's been involved in the contracts and a lot

1075
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: of the decision making. No one disputes that. Um, so

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: the PJ for player lawyers want to depose him and

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: the Rumayan he his excellency. He's known as h E

1078
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: among live players, or they called the investor, which I like,

1079
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of he's the investor. He's claimed diplomatic community

1080
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: because he's the holder of many state secrets. I mean,

1081
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: he's one of he's probably the number two guy in

1082
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: all of Saudi Arabi. He's always been close to MBS

1083
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: and this guy runs you know, the PIFF and he's

1084
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: also the chairman of a Ramco, which is the most

1085
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: profitable company in the world. Like this is this guy's

1086
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: he's the man. He but he claimed of back community

1087
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: and the judge based said no, sorry, you're um. If

1088
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: you're disinvolved in in in the day to day dealings

1089
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: of of live golf, you can be deposed. So now

1090
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: that that puts, you can imagine this is like alarm

1091
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: bell are going off in the palaces around Saudi Araby

1092
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: because the last thing they want is for him to

1093
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: be deposed under oath, and it introduces the possibility that

1094
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: Live could just withdraw the suit like that never mind

1095
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: it's not worth it, or they could they could refile

1096
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: it in a much more limited way. But this is

1097
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: kind of the worst case scenario for live learning. Now

1098
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to make a hard choice on how

1099
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: do you compel a non US citizen to uh to

1100
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: stand under a questioning of an American lawyer in American

1101
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: court systimes at work? Well, the I mean, I'm not

1102
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: a lawyer. I just played one on the internet. But

1103
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: you know that the court the cases has been live

1104
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: golf filed the case in in in California in the

1105
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: United States. They chose the venue. They didn't they didn't

1106
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: they didn't do this in in in London or anywhere

1107
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: else like you know, they chose, they set the rules

1108
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: of engagement. Therefore the court has jurisdiction. And um, you know,

1109
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: if if if remind doesn't give into you know, I

1110
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: don't know what happens if you just flat out refuses

1111
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: to do it, does the whole thing just fold? You know? Um,

1112
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: but it it's just it's not a great scenario for

1113
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: a live golf and so, um, how they handle this

1114
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see. Doesn't mean that, you know,

1115
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: maybe he will ultimately be deposed and um, there'll be

1116
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: some limits placed on what canon camp, he asked. But

1117
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: of course the tour lawyers are gonna try to make

1118
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: it as uncomfortable and controversial as possible. And and uh

1119
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: that's why this is also much fun. All right, This

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Speaker 1: has been another Fire Drill podcast for Matchinella and Michael

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01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: Bamberger and Ryan French. I'm Alan chip Nick. Thank you's

1122
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: always for listening. We'll do this again next week. I

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01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: will actually be calling in from Mexico. I'm going to

1124
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: be at the live event in my Acoba. Greg Norman design. Um.

1125
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: First event of the year should be juicy, should be fun.

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01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: There'll be lots to talk about, um, but until then,

1127
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: we appreciate your fidelity. And uh that's the end. I

1128
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: bet big and I played to win, made a fortune,

1129
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: win my ship game. Man. I ran the table, never

1130
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: thought I could fall down. The wintertime hit me like

1131
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: a cannon. The ball and now I can't shake this,

1132
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: losing the streak. Every road I take is a dead

1133
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: end stream. I got thoughts in my head, can't get aloud,

1134
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: trying not to think what I'm thinking about. I gotta

1135
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: dancing my head. I can't get him out and trying

1136
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about,