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Speaker 1: Hello and welving to food stuff. I'm an Eeries and

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Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today and today and today, we're

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Speaker 1: doing the episode on pot edibles, right because it had

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Speaker 1: to happen at some point, y'all. It did, And what

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Speaker 1: better day to release an episode about pot edibles than

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Speaker 1: I don't even like marijuana. And when I realized that

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Speaker 1: we were publishing an episode on four twenty, I got

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Speaker 1: so excited just about the like pun almost we're we're

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Speaker 1: middle schoolers at heart, yes, absolutely, And speaking of puns,

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Speaker 1: I think that we're just going to have to get

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Speaker 1: some out of the way, get out of our system. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm ready, Okay, okay, Well the first two I

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Speaker 1: just like the wacky tobaccy that's my face, the Devil's grass.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to take the high road. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: for our fully baked super dope joint production. We need

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Speaker 1: to know guide on edibles. Just two buds talking about

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Speaker 1: pot brownies and so much more. All right, we can't

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Speaker 1: promise that it's all out of our system, but that

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Speaker 1: that's a big chunk right there. Yeah. Uh disclaimer of course,

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Speaker 1: use drugs responsibly and legally for for your area and

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Speaker 1: age and et cetera. Yes, absolutely, um, And this is

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Speaker 1: another episode where we got to talk to someone super awesome.

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Speaker 1: We got to sit down and talk to you back

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Speaker 1: a graham of Dope Girls, which is a zine series

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Speaker 1: about de stigmatizing weed and a whole lot of other

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Speaker 1: cool stuff. Um. And their main operation is right here

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgias. So you'll get to hear some of

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Speaker 1: that at the end of the episode. But first, but first,

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Speaker 1: marijuana edibles. What is it? What is it? Well, in specific,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about foods and drinks and fused with marijuana,

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Speaker 1: marijuana being one of the common names for psychoactive drugs

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Speaker 1: produced from a species of leafy flowering plants in the

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Speaker 1: cannabis genus. These plants secrete a number of compounds that

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Speaker 1: mess with your brain chemistry, primarily cannabinoids, and among those

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Speaker 1: primarily tetra hydro cannabinal or th HC. Though about a

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Speaker 1: hundred cannabinoids may have joint effects together joint I didn't

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Speaker 1: even realize until after I wrote it. Those secretions mostly

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Speaker 1: come from glands on the structural bits of cannabis flowers.

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Speaker 1: So if you like not like the petals, but like

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So, if you harvest the flowers or the buds,

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Speaker 1: you can process them to extract the cannabinoids. Processing generally

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Speaker 1: involves heating the buds in an oil because heating transforms

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Speaker 1: the precursor of th HC, which is not psychoactive, into

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Speaker 1: th HC, and in oil because th HC and other

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Speaker 1: cannabinoids are oil soluble. Yes, and this is kind of

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Speaker 1: something of frequent debate UH in the pot edible weed

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Speaker 1: edible industry are probably more among people making their own.

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Speaker 1: Is whether or not you can use the raw leaves

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Speaker 1: versus you need to put it. Most people heat it

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Speaker 1: and put it in butter, canna butter and cook with that.

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Speaker 1: UM and whether or not you can get high if

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Speaker 1: you don't do that. Some of the compounds that have

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Speaker 1: an effect are definitely still available or bioavailable in in

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Speaker 1: the raw leaves and buds. But you know, mileage may vary, yes,

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Speaker 1: it may. UM. Marijuana is illegal on the federal level

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Speaker 1: in the United States, but illegal either medicinally and or

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Speaker 1: With varying amounts you're allowed to sell and possess recreational

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Speaker 1: very confusing. In general, most states that have legal marijuana

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Speaker 1: it may not be technically legal. It's a little bit

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Speaker 1: more on the proverbial deal. Yeah, so edibles have become

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Speaker 1: a popular choice. Edibles sometimes also popular because smoking is

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Speaker 1: the pot brownie. You can get Blondie's for one, cookies,

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Speaker 1: two point five milligrams of THHC to fifty milligrams when

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of history can be summed

427
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Speaker 1: up by Okay Nixon. Yes. Then in nineteen seventy three,

428
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Speaker 1: the Drug Enforcement Agency the d e A came into being,

429
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: which was a combination of the Bureau of Narcotics and

430
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Dangerous Drugs and the Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement.

431
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, they supported a group of conservative

432
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: parents that came together pushing for tougher marijuana laws UM

433
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: and with the help of another group, the National Institute

434
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: on Drug Abuse the inn I d A, their voices

435
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: grew quite loud and powerful, and they were a huge

436
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: part in precipitating the War on Drugs and the public

437
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: attitude towards marijuana in the coming decade. So yeah, the

438
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: War on drugs. A lot of laws and acts restricting

439
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: marijuana use and enacting harsher punishments came to be in

440
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: the eighties, starting with the Comprehensive Control Act of nineteen

441
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: eighty four, which increased the penalties of dealing our possession

442
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: of marijuana UM. Both went up as the amount of

443
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: marijuana went up and was equivalent to the punishment you'd

444
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: received the same amount of heroin. This was followed by

445
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: the nineteen eight six Anti Abuse Act signed by Ronald Reagan,

446
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: bringing back mandatory sentencing. This was later amended with the

447
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: three Strikes that You're Out, sentencing repeat offenders to life

448
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: and allowing drug kingpins to be given the death penalty.

449
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: New president SayMore, President George H. W. Bush's famous War

450
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: on Drug speech was televised across the country and nineteen

451
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: eighty nine, and note that this was also highly racially motivated.

452
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Studies have shown that although Black Americans and white Americans

453
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: are equally likely to use illegal drugs, Blacks are six

454
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: to ten times more likely to be incarcerated for drug offenses. Yeah,

455
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: California became the first state to legalize medical marijuana in

456
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: This was probably helped along by Mary Jane Rathlin's movement

457
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: in San Francisco to provide pot brownies to AIDS patients

458
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, and that brings us more

459
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: or less to today. Petitions to the d e A

460
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: to reschedule cannabis have continued to go ignored, even though

461
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: the d e a's own administrative law judge, when Francis Young,

462
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: recommended rescheduling cannabis in saying quote marijuana in its natural

463
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known

464
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: to man. By any measure of rational analysis, marijuana can

465
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.

466
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: We're noting thanks to the War on drugs and the

467
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: fact that people of color are vastly more targeted for selling, possession,

468
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: and what happy, the current legal marijuana industry is dominated

469
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: by white people, most of them men, but that is

470
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: ever so slowly changing. According to a Gallop survey in October,

471
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: sixtent of Americans want to legalize marijuana, the highest percentage

472
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: UH since they started asking the question in nineteen sixty nine.

473
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: And in very recent news, previously staunch antipop politician John

474
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: Bayner just this week joined the advisory board of a

475
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: company that grows, processes, and dispenses cannabis in eleven states

476
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Speaker 1: this this week as of we're recording this on four twelve.

477
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And as Annie said earlier that the

478
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Speaker 1: legal market has been predicted to hit twenty billion dollars

479
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: one and I saw another prediction that it would be

480
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: seventy five billion dollars. Wow. Yeah, my brain, M can't comprehend. Nope,

481
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do it. Oh and that brings

482
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: us to our guest, Becca Grim, So if we can

483
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: have a guest segment transition. We are here with Becca

484
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Grim from Dope Girls. Thank you so much for joining us. Becca,

485
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah. Can you tell us

486
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and Dope Girls? Sure? So.

487
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: I am just, you know, a freelance editor and writer

488
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: and as my profession, and I write for a lot

489
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: of different companies like g Q and Glamour and Nylon

490
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: and Rolling Stone and PR Music and stuff like that.

491
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: And Dope Girl Zene is a project that I started

492
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: with Rachel Hortmann, who's now the art director at Atlanta Magazine.

493
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: But we started the project and we were both working

494
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: at Creative Loofing just sort of as a way to

495
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: do something fun outside of work together and also just

496
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of like to find the intersection of kind of

497
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: art in like cannabis culture and some social justice too.

498
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: So our z and raises funds for Plan Apparent at

499
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Southeast and sort of unites feminism in cannabis culture. We've

500
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: are about to put out our fifth issue hopefully this week.

501
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: It should be at my house any second now. It's

502
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: super exciting. Uh, and that issue features writing from are

503
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: from writers like Kristin Arna, who is based in Orlando.

504
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: She's a really excellent novelist, nonfiction writer or fiction writer

505
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: rather and um, we also have work in the past

506
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: from Alana Massey and Nona Willis, Aronowitz and Eve Piser

507
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and a ton of really talented folks. Is very exciting. Yeah,

508
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: what what kind of stuff did they typically write about? It?

509
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: Is it all kinds of wide range of stuff. Yeah,

510
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty wide range. We started doing themes for issue

511
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: is or for the different volumes starting at two, and

512
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: so it kind of falls in line with that. The

513
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: last one that we put out was all about sex,

514
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: and so there's just you know, we had a piece

515
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: from a woman who was in our sixties about like

516
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: how she has kind of become like a sexual, but

517
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: like not in a sad way like and so that

518
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: was really interesting, different sort of point of view and

519
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: also within that context. Um. And then the issue that

520
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: we're coming out with this week is uh themed after Genius,

521
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: and so that follows a variety of different topics. Um.

522
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Fife Sign who's a local writer here in Atlanta. She

523
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: wrote a piece about kind of cultivating her relationship with

524
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: cannabis in art school, which is something we can all

525
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: relate to, feeling like a stone genius when your ninet

526
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: team listening to the White Stripes or whatever. Um. And

527
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: then we have also uh Sydney Gore wrote a piece

528
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: about how she grew up in a predominantly white high

529
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: school and how she felt certain pressures to be like

530
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: a quote unquote smart black girl and that like sort

531
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: of lent to the genius. And Amanda Mole, who's another

532
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: super talented writer, wrote a piece that was just sort

533
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: of an ode to her nail tech who just gives

534
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: her like these super amazing, like beautiful nail. Yeah. So

535
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: it definitely runs the gamut, and we try to always

536
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: include like some poetry all element in there too. We

537
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: have something from Nasty Me Ronnie, who's like an old

538
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: friend of mine from high school now out in Los Angeles. Um.

539
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we just include all sorts of stuff,

540
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: and we only use writers and artists who are women

541
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: or non binary that we take money from. Dudes if

542
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: they ever want to donate, so just saying like they

543
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: want to be involved, they can, Yeah, no, no, that's

544
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: it's it's excellent to be able to have a platform

545
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: like that that you can raise those voices that have

546
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily always had a platform for speaking, especially on

547
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: something like cannabis culture, which I think is am I

548
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: am I wrong in that I think it has like

549
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: a like a masculine kind of concept out in society.

550
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Some of the research that we were doing said that

551
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: women perhaps like edibles more because of they don't want

552
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: to be perceived as as stoners. Yeah, I think that

553
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: that has definitely changed a lot in the past few years.

554
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: When Rachel and I started the zine in April two

555
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, that wasn't really something that we saw happening

556
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: that often. Rachel doesn't really even smoke that much. We

557
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: shudbe smokes like three times a year or something. So

558
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: it was more my issue where I was just like

559
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: getting annoyed that I was like only sharing joints with

560
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: everyone's boyfriends at parties and I but I knew, you

561
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: know a lot of other women who smoked and still

562
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: had productivity, and like there's you know rolling out of

563
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: these new sort of like beautiful shops like Tetra that

564
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: are collections of these like you know, pieces of art

565
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: that you can smoke out of instead of like some

566
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: creepy balloon animal looking thing. And I mean, yeah, like

567
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that the sort of stigma and the idea

568
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: of the like quote unquote stoner is sort of dissolving

569
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: in general because now with like decreased like stigmatization, I

570
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: think that people are feeling more open to it. And

571
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: now I'm sharing joints with just girls parties and it's great.

572
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's performing. So this episode was about edibles

573
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: in particular this um, so, what's your experience with them? Um?

574
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: I was reading some this article about Vegan Stoner Shares,

575
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: Savory Spacey, Matt Crecy. That sounds well, it sounds lovely.

576
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: Just what's your experience, What are some cool things in

577
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: the works, or just any kind of random nuggets of

578
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: information you have about edibles. Yeah. So I have pretty

579
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: like limited exposure myself to legit edibles. Like I did

580
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: have a column for Mary Jane where I was talking

581
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: to you different chefs who worked with cannabis and their

582
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: cuisine and so that was really interesting, sort of like

583
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: doing a Q and A with them and compiling recipes.

584
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: But I guess like my first experience with edibles is

585
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: very similar to other people's where it's like you make

586
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: some trash brownies in college because you don't want to

587
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: spend money at the music festival a lot of food

588
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: and this you're eating it even though it has like

589
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: chunks of weed and and you know, but I mean, yeah,

590
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: so now, like my experience with edibles, like I was

591
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: doing monthly dinner parties at my house where I would

592
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: hire this woman who would make like these really dope,

593
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: like vegetarian meals with like different levels of infusion, and

594
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: that was really fun experience because like that, you know

595
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: how a lot of times I find the reason people

596
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: don't like cannabis or getting high is because they get

597
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: hell of paranoid. They have like one experience where they're

598
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: like at a party and like looking around, you're like

599
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: the couch is breathing. It's kind of nice being environments

600
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: where everybody's stone because it kind of like lowers the

601
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: barrier to entry. One of the really cool aspects of

602
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: getting high with women is the barrier to entry to

603
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: get closer is already so much lower. Like that's why

604
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: it's easier to make like female friends. You get into

605
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: more like emotional serious topics earlier. And so I think

606
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: it kind of like helps lend that sort of openness

607
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: to men as well in that sphere. So it's kind

608
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: of neat to be surrounded other stone people because you're

609
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: not like, how somebody's looking at me because I'm really high.

610
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: It's like, no, they're really high to We're all just

611
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: here together, Yeah exactly. But yeah, so, but I think

612
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: the edibles market is changing. Like obviously, you know, the

613
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: adult youth law that pass in California has been changing

614
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Even though that's kind of changed

615
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: the game for a lot of edibles companies that were

616
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: previously in these dispensaries before and now they have all

617
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: these financial hurdles to clear. But you know, with that

618
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: comes room for more innovation in the legal states. But

619
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: there's still definitely an edibles community in Atlanta. Like if

620
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: you know where to look, you know, um, and you

621
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: you did some science some research for it is about

622
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: what was the word you used? Yeah, so it's decar

623
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: box relation. I always wanted to say decard box fillization.

624
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: That just sounds like a little too much like a

625
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: space gun or something. But so that's basically, Um, A

626
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand that to make edibles you

627
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: have to you know, you know about like the weed

628
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: brownies or whatever. You have to infuse some butter with

629
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: the weed, but you have to decarbox relate it first,

630
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: which means that you cook it at a very low

631
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: temperature for a long period of time, like traditionally what

632
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: they say is that to twenty for thirty to forty

633
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: five minutes, and that's the process that releases the t

634
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: h C, which is the psychoactive cannabinoid and weed. That's

635
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: why Indy and I were talking about earlier. You don't

636
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: chew on chunks of weed. You light it with fire, right, yeah,

637
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: because otherwise the t HC is still one of its precursors.

638
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, you need to heat activate it in order

639
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: to do that thing, yeah, exactly. And so then through that, um,

640
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, then the cannabinoids can be absorbed through digestion.

641
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: So that's that's some of the science e things. But

642
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: if you cook your weed too high on like over

643
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: three hundred degrees, then you just kind of decrease the

644
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: integrity of the cannabinoids and tirpenes trupeens are sure of

645
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: like the smelling notes right in cannabis. So um, I

646
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of experience with I. Actually, I'm

647
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: one of those people who doesn't really like weed, and

648
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: I've had a couple bad experiences with it, and I've

649
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: never kind of come back around to finding ways to

650
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: enjoy it, partially because it's still kind of illegal. Um, right,

651
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: So I don't have a whole lot of experience with uh.

652
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: With different kinds of edibles, it's basically like you know,

653
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: like like whatever someone has happened to bring to an event. Um.

654
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: But but can you talk at all about some of

655
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: those flavors in in different strains of weed and some

656
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: of those chefs that you've had the opportunity to talk

657
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: with about how they can use those because there are

658
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: so many different flavor molecules that are going on in

659
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: strains of cannabis. Yeah, as far as I can tell,

660
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: the turupines don't really lend a time to the actual

661
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: edibles like flavor profiles. Like there's definitely, you know, two

662
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: different camps of chefs when it comes to edibles. It

663
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: seems like where there's the ones that are like this

664
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: does not taste like weed, and that's like the big

665
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: thing that's the goal. Yeah, exactly. It kind of reminds

666
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: me of how like a lot of people who like

667
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: deal with like vegan cheese is like this one melt.

668
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's like this doesn't taste like weed. But

669
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: then there's the other chefs that use the natural sort

670
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: of like piny like or like kind of like skunkier

671
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: green or earthy sort of flavors of cannabis to uh,

672
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, complement other flavors in their dishes. You know,

673
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: I think one of the major reasons why people are

674
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: freaked out by edibles, you know, because they have like

675
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: the one or two scary experiences, but you know, it's

676
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: all about dosing and knowing what you're getting. That's the

677
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: sort of deal with cannabis in general. And that's one

678
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: of the issues that's sort of annoying about, you know,

679
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: buying weed in Atlantic because yes, that they could like

680
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: put something in your hand they're like this is O

681
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: G cush and you're like, okay, all right, but you know, um,

682
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: you would never go to a bar and ask for

683
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: like one alcohol, so like it would be kind of

684
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: the same sort of thing as if you drink a

685
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: pint glass of vodka when you were in college and

686
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: had a bad experience, which it sure doesn't sound like

687
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: a good one, then you just never drink alcohol again. Like,

688
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: it's definitely a difference between a pint glass of vodka

689
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: and like a well mixed cocktail that's like in the

690
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: appropriate glass. Because I think that, you know, especially whenever

691
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: you're first introduced to cannabis, a lot of times in

692
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: the gameplay is just to get like as stone as possible, right,

693
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: which is fine, and plenty of adults do that, but

694
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: I think that there's different ways that you can kind

695
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: of parse it out to do what you want it

696
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: to do. And that's kind of like where um, the

697
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: troop beings come into play, where some of them will

698
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: be you know manipulated to make it more of a

699
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: mellow high or were of like an active high. Some

700
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: people get stone and go to the gym. Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah,

701
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: it depends on the application to it. Like the way

702
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I would smoke if like I was just at home,

703
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: like watching a movie with like a friend, is very

704
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: different than if I was just going to take a

705
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: little hit and like go running. Right. Yeah, there's a

706
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: lot of different, uh, pieces of proof that show that

707
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, cannabis access is something that could really help

708
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: us as a society. There's been a lot of research

709
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: done about like how it could help with the opioid

710
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: crisis that's sort of epidemic, like getting people weaned off

711
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: of like really intent pain pills in addition to just

712
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: treating other things like insomnia. Like I got my dad

713
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: some like really heavy like intogo oil to help him

714
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: so he can just sleep. He's not like going to

715
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: turn up or whatever, but I wish he would. But

716
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, so, I mean there's all these practical applications

717
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: for it. And I also just think, like as a

718
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: person who struggles sometimes like with alcohol, like it's an

719
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: alternative that won't you know, make you as dumb as

720
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: you would with something like alcohol. Like if you get

721
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: too high then you're just maybe going to not respond

722
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: to a text and like eat too many cornerships like

723
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, but if you get too drunk, then yeah,

724
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: it's just fly off. Very few people are actually violent one,

725
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: and so I think that just losing the stigma just

726
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: helps us like actually respect it for the ways that

727
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: it can be used in responsible ways. It doesn't have

728
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: to always be about like who can get the most

729
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: stoned or like just becoming like a total burnout and

730
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: never doing your job and following through on responsibilities. It's

731
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: a totally legitimate way of just relaxing, and plenty of

732
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: people do it and it doesn't rule their life. I wanted,

733
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up I I've I've noticed and

734
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: I read an article that you wrote for splinter Um,

735
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: and you've been using the term cannabis pretty exclusively. Uh,

736
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: could you could you talk a little bit about about

737
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: the change from the use of the word marijuana to

738
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: the use of the word cannabis. Yeah, sure, because I

739
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: was pretty reluctant until I learned about some of the

740
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: racist background of the word marijuana, Because the word cannabis

741
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: just sounds like some like really smarmy guys like your

742
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: grad class, like you know who just like wears like

743
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: an oversized sweater kind of like the one I was

744
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: wearing before I came in here. And his name is Chad,

745
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: And for sure, Chad, all the Chads are angrily right now.

746
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Chad's I'm sure some of you are nice. Yeah,

747
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like kind of like snobby, and so I

748
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: was not really into it for while, until I learned

749
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: some of the racist roots of the word marijuana, Like

750
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: because all these rich and powerful people like um, Robert

751
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: Hurst Uh who had stakes in the paper company, were

752
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: really anti hemp, and that was like coming up on

753
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: the rise. So that was the whole thing. And then

754
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: the reason they were using the term marijuana is because

755
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like exotic and scary if you're like xenophobic

756
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: and trying to keep drugs off of the radar whatever,

757
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: because you don't want your paper to go out of

758
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: sale or go out of business or whatever. So I

759
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: think that that's been sort of like the change of

760
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: events in calling it cannabis more to just make it

761
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: be seen as a more serious option and alternative. It's

762
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: not just marijuana like you know, lacky to day or whatever,

763
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: like even though I call it weed too, but um,

764
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people use cannabis for like

765
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: strictly medical efforts, like I was mentioning with my dad

766
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: and plenty of other people. And I think it's really

767
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: important the way we use sort of like intention around

768
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: language when it with regards to cannabis, because like we

769
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: were saying before about it being destigmatized, like even just

770
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: termine oology, like California was very explicit in saying adult

771
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: use as opposed to recreational, right right. I interviewed Dr

772
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Dina a while ago. She's like, you know, apparently who

773
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: they based Nancy Bot went off of the weeds and

774
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: community besides selling me to Snoop Dogg. But she said

775
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: to me, she was like, because I she was the

776
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: first person who corrected me. I was like, yeah, when

777
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: WREC passed, And she's like, first of all, I was

778
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: happy she corrected me, but she was like, I visualized

779
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: with recreational like a toddler going down a playground slide

780
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: with a margarita. And I was like, that makes sense because, like,

781
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, we don't call it like adult use alcohol

782
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: or recreational alcohol because again, you don't have to like

783
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: get faced every time you drink. It could be a

784
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: compliment to your meal, or it could just be winding

785
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: down from work. Yeah, Like you don't have to excuse

786
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: that behavior the way that we still feel like we

787
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: have to excuse excuse of cannabis. Yeah. And I think

788
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: we're still like working as a you know, society to

789
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: develop sort of this language, to not make it so

790
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: clunky and like forceful, because even just like cannabis, I

791
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: can see other people looking at me to you or

792
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I just feel like I look like like, oh god,

793
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: I look like Chad. Yeah, I got to get rid

794
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: of that sweater. But like, you know, I think that

795
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: we're like developing a language to help sort of reflect

796
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: where we are at with a society as a sie

797
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: society about cannabis. Um Like, we still don't really have

798
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: like a word for somebody who uses it, because there's

799
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: endless ways to ingust. Like you know, this episode is

800
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: about edibles. Like some people only eat their weed, some

801
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: people only vapes, some people use topical, some people just

802
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: smoke joints. Like you know, I literally have some weed

803
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: breastprate in my bag right now. Some people do that,

804
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, So I mean we don't. The podcast takes

805
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: a turn. Oh it's so cute. It's really I like

806
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: actually used it like the other day before a second

807
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: date because I didn't have any gum. I feel like,

808
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I hope this works, and it was fine,

809
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was like chill measures. But

810
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. The packaging um to to describe

811
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: this for everyone who's listening to this audio show, UM

812
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: is it's it's just it's it's really cute. And slick.

813
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: It's just this cute little cardboard too, but it's got

814
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: sort of like a faux wood grain thing going on

815
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: on the handle. Yeah. Yeah, that's delightful. Yeah, cannabis stuff

816
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: is stuffing it up with aesthetic, and that's something that

817
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: I think is like helping people take it more seriously too.

818
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: And that was something that we wanted to do a

819
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: dope girls like create like a beautiful product that didn't

820
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: make people feel we're ostracized for see. Yeah, it's it's

821
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: a thing that we that we talked about when we

822
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: were recording the main part of the episode, Like we

823
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of like like giggled about like,

824
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: oh man, we're doing an episode on weed at the

825
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: top of the show, and then at the end of

826
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: the show like we were like we were I don't know,

827
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to get away from that feeling of

828
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: immaturity even just discussing it. And I'm just really glad

829
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: that you guys are are doing work like that to

830
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: to help bring bring about the uh larger concept of

831
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: a of a weed culture. Yeah. Well, something I think

832
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: about um a lot when people kind of classify cannabis

833
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: or just smoking weed in general is like something that

834
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: you go through, like a phase in middle school. Um,

835
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: I always think of d O C. You know, like

836
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: classic classic episodes where you know, I guess Seth develops

837
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: like a stoner habit and like summer catches him. And

838
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm not in middle school like about smoking.

839
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people still feel that way,

840
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: but I mean, at least personally, I don't, just because

841
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: it is such a part of my day to day

842
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: life and so many people, like in my direct community,

843
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: who I think are just kind of like badasses in general,

844
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: like really killing it at their job, like still like

845
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: going to the gym, not just eating pizza all the time,

846
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: like right, or just deviating so far from the stereotype

847
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: that it's hard for me to kind of see it

848
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: in that context. And I think it is starting to

849
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: change overall. And I mean even in non legal states

850
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: as of it inspire events. It's not just all people

851
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: that we know. There's people like kids a lot younger

852
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: than us, like and like also people who are a

853
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: lot older than us, and just kind of all different types.

854
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: And so I mean it is deeply like you know,

855
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: female at our release parties and like different events and

856
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: stuff like that, And that to me is like really

857
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: reassuring because there's not anybody that I would have thought

858
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: of if you asked me, like even five years ago,

859
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: like to define like a stereotypical stoner. Right, I think

860
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: it's just like not edgy anymore. Huh. That's Oh, I

861
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: don't know. Like I'm sort of of two minds about it,

862
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: because on the one hand, Um, I'm excited that that's happening,

863
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: and I'm excited that legalization is bringing the opportunity to

864
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: for for people who who enjoy using it to to

865
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: use it or who find medical uh medical uses for it.

866
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: That's great. But but also like there's this kind of

867
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: like like capitalism warning light blinking about, you know, like

868
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: like a like like John Baynard joining the advisory committee

869
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: of um, whichever whichever organization, whichever distribution organization he just joined.

870
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, hey, um, you know super upper

871
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: class who has been putting the lower class in jail

872
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: for this for years. It's nice that you believe in

873
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: it now that you can make money off of it,

874
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: but you'll yeah, well, and I think that that is

875
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: something that is going to happen with anything that you

876
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: can make money off of like you know, we are

877
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: benefiting off of like okay, cool, Now I can buy

878
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: really cute rolling papers and I'll buy me a weed

879
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: bath bomb, which there are lots you know, and that's

880
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: that's dope. But that's because there was money to be made.

881
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: And so with that sort of opportunity for you know,

882
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: capital gain, like there's going to be all these different

883
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: efforts to kind of personalize it and for different markets,

884
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: and like the female market was not really part of

885
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: that yet and and I agree, like you know, yeah,

886
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: there are a lot of like money hungry people. Unfortunately

887
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: not Nick Lash he was going to get into it,

888
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: not anymore. I know, really was like banking on doing

889
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: a profile on that time. Man, maybe next time. But

890
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's money to be made, and that

891
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: is like largely you know, kind of handled by like

892
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: rich white dudes, and that is disrupting a lot of

893
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: long time like generationally owned cannabis farms on the West Coast.

894
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: Like I know some people personally affected by that because

895
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: like now there are all these extra laws and like

896
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: hoops to jump through and all these different like financial

897
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: hurdles to clear as well. That it's going to be

898
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: it's very you know, possible that it can be monopolized

899
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: by some major companies. Absolutely. So it sort of the

900
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: same way that with with with organic foods and and

901
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: other food labeling like that, where farmers who had been

902
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: using those practices for for decades on their own farms

903
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: suddenly had to go through these certification processes and they

904
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: can't label their products as organic unless they go through

905
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: this tremendous expense um, so they wind up not doing it.

906
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: And the companies that were using other methods of production

907
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: like months on to kind of places, you know, have

908
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot easier of a time because they have the

909
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: cash to spend and they helped write the laws. Yeah,

910
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, having handle like lobbyists pockets like is always

911
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: going to be helping out the rich shoots and uh

912
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, and that's been like another tan gentle sort

913
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: of like journey for cannabis farmers, especially those who do

914
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: it only organically, because there isn't a way of certifying

915
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: it is such now so you know, would you want

916
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: to spend x amount for an eighth versus like twice

917
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: that where it stands pesticides, but there's not really like

918
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: a sort of class categorization process to get that sort

919
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: of labeling. So it's just I mean, it's it's an

920
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: exciting interesting time for cannabis, especially because some of these

921
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: different states are doing more efforts to deal with the incarcerated,

922
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: like non violent offenders. And Dr Gina, who I mentioned before,

923
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: she has a nonprofit called Freedom Grow that does a

924
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: lot of work for that. Oh that's really cool, especially

925
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: because we just look at how these people, you know,

926
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: like we're saying before, like you know, older white dudes

927
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: are just kind of like white moms doing like you know,

928
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: like mommy marijuana and stuff like that. And I'm like,

929
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm a white person too. Is something I'm aware of.

930
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: But you know, people of color are so much more

931
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: targeted by these laws. Like we've all seen the a

932
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: c L you study about black people being four times

933
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: it's likely to be really be arrested for cannabis crimes,

934
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: and you know, especially living in the city of Atlanta,

935
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: I think it's something that you have to be hyper

936
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: aware of. Um, you know, and it's great that the

937
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: decriminalization passed, but we need to look out for the

938
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: people who haven't always felt like that was the case.

939
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, it's kind of like a checker privilege moment. Oh,

940
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's hard because like cannabis is

941
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a fun thing where it's like whoo, gummies,

942
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: don't to do this thing, But then it's also like

943
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: you have to think so much too about like race

944
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: and class and gender and how that all goes into it. Yeah. Absolutely,

945
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: as as with everything truly. I mean I hope that

946
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: we keep continuing to put out work and like bringing

947
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: people together because you know, obviously like getting all that

948
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: money to help get people in ore you know, in

949
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: the American Southeast, access to healthcare is really important and

950
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: that's one of the most rewarding parts. But probably the

951
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: second most rewarding part is talking to people after parties

952
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: that we have and they're like, I'm at the coolest girl,

953
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: and I like to see friendships formed and like other

954
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: people kind of like connecting over like you know, interest

955
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: in feminism and cannabis use and reproductive justice and you know,

956
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: just like minded people who are from all different walks

957
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: and that is really encouraging. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, how can

958
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: people get involved? Where can they find you? Oh? Yeah, well,

959
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: so we're on do girls seeing dot org. That's where

960
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 1: you can preorder Volume five. We still have Volume four

961
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 1: and some other stuff and you can just always reach

962
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: out to us through there. And we have the Volume

963
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: five release party at the Brigade Seen and Argasse's back

964
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: room on May tenth. It'll be a lot of fun.

965
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: We have raffle baskets, like cool swag, like awesome, really

966
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: cool bowls from like me Wat Junior and Tetra and

967
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: a lot of neat stuff. Yeah, Laura and I will

968
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: probably be there. Yeah. So hey, hey, hey Atlanta or

969
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: surrounding metro area, come come on out to come out

970
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: to Argosies back room the Brigadier on May tenth. You said, yeah,

971
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: it was fun. Yeah. Um. One final question unless you've

972
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: got one, I'm I'm tapped, all right. Um. Just a

973
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: favorite edible that you've ever had, favorite edible experience? Yeah. Um.

974
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I was in Joshua Tree in February, and I don't

975
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: know if it counts as inedible, but I got this.

976
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: I went to this beautiful um dispensary. One of my

977
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: best friends, Aaron, like, drove like an hour to Palm

978
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: Spring so I could see it and it was just

979
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: like walking in there because I had ever enabled Well,

980
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was beautiful, but I was just

981
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: like kind of grilling the bud tender and she hits

982
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: me to this really good like grapefruit soda with wheat

983
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: in it, and so I mixed it with rose with

984
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: my friend Aaron and her other friend of Chima, and

985
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: we just drank it in a hot tub in the

986
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: desert and it was dope. That sounds amazing, really delightful. Yeah,

987
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: it was like it was nice. It was calm. You

988
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: didn't feel like you were super heavy, and you didn't

989
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: feel like does my dad really love me? Like it

990
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: was just like enjoying that i'd in the desert. Well, excellent,

991
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: that sounds amazing. Yeah, thank you so much for being

992
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: here today. Thank you so much for inviting me. Um.

993
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to include this tweet. We got a couple

994
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: of weeks ago from a smoky cloud. Um oh, he said,

995
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, a squirrel Pilford some weed

996
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: granola out of my golf bag. If you need hilarious

997
00:57:54,520 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: stories for the edible episode. And yes, thank you very

998
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: much for that, because yes, that was a wonderful mental image.

999
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: It was and I felt bad about how hard I

1000
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: laughed at it, gave us quite the chuckle, absolutely quite

1001
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: the chuckle. And this brings us to, oh man, you

1002
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: super lost me there, but I love it. I was

1003
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: trying to do something like if you're high, maybe it

1004
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: freak you out, but I don't know why. I'm a

1005
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: terrible person. First of all, Karen sent as this suggestion

1006
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: about salt um y'all's custom blend of salt should totally

1007
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: be called aphrodisiac. It can have in it whatever you wish,

1008
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: because everything works that way. If you really wanted to write,

1009
00:58:53,440 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: yes and totally stealing that idea food stuff aprodzac. I

1010
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: love it perfect. I love it. So it gives us

1011
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: a lot of options of what can put in there.

1012
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Oh my goodness, yes, thank you,

1013
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Chelsea wrote. Let me tell you a story. I work

1014
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: at a sign shop and often I have to make

1015
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: signs that just make me shake my head and laugh.

1016
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: The other day I was making a sign for a restaurant.

1017
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: They had their salads listed with their ingredients. Ad to

1018
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: stop what everyone was doing, to discuss the specific ingredient

1019
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: lemon massaged kale, What kind of backwards hipster nonsense is this?

1020
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Who knew that. The next day, I listened to your

1021
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: episode and got my answer to this mystery. Still, why

1022
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: does this kale get a massage? And I don't very

1023
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: good question. Chelsea and I really thought about it, But

1024
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: I suppose ultimately the kale is about to meet its demise.

1025
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: It's like getting tender eyes for us to enjoy. Still

1026
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: still would be nice. That's all we're saying. That's all

1027
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: we're saying. Ed wrote recently, I was on a liquid

1028
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: diet due to a severely swollen esophagus OH, which made

1029
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: eating solid food too painful to enjoy. I was searching

1030
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: for something interesting and cheerful to occupy my mind for

1031
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: the duration of a dog walking job. I was ecstatic

1032
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: to see you had recently produced a Star Trek themed

1033
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: episode exclamation point. I have been a true Trekky since

1034
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I was a toddler. I particularly appreciated Lauren's reference to

1035
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: the replicator's number of options for tomato soup. Being the

1036
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: nerd that I am, I immediately knew the source of

1037
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: this reference. Star Trek Voyagers pilot episode Caretaker, when a

1038
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: frustrated Tom Paris orders hot plain tomato soup. Witnessing this

1039
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: made my nine year old brain want to try the soup.

1040
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: When I finally tried canned tomato soup at school, I

1041
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: was disturbed by the creamy texture and equally disappointed by

1042
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: the bland, milky taste. This was the first and last

1043
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: time I tried tom Paris's favorite soup. Yeah, I think

1044
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: that's fair. I mean, tomatoes soup for me is basically

1045
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: a vehicle for grilled cheese sandwiches. Yeah, that's what I

1046
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: was thinking too, And isn't that interesting? How did that

1047
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: become a thing? Well, luckily enough, we work on food

1048
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: podcasts and we can research this. Absolutely we should, we should,

1049
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: we absolutely should. Um. Thanks to both of them for writing.

1050
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Becca grim from Dope Girls. Really check

1051
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: them out for being on this show with us. UM

1052
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: and you two can write us. Our email is food

1053
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: Stuff at how stuff works dot com or also on

1054
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: social media. You can find us on Twitter and Facebook

1055
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: at food Stuff hs W or on Instagram at food Stuff.

1056
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: We hope to hear from you. Thank you to our

1057
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: super producer Dylan Fagin. Yes you Dylan, It's fine, okay.

1058
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: Check check out his new podcast, The Question Booth. Yeah yeah,

1059
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening. And we hope that lots

1060
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: more good things are coming your way. U