WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: 1-23-24 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:03.320 The following. 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:05.320 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.080 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.079 Cowboys. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:17.440 This He's Talking Cowboys Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:18.800 World Course. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.080 At the Star in Frisco, Straight. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:32.800 Tidown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:38.720 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.199 It's an off season edition of Talking Cowboys presented by 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.880 Black Rifle Coffee Company from the Star in Frisco, Texas. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.519 In the s WBC studios. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.240 Isaiah Stanback, John Matchoda, Nick Harris, I'm Kyle Yeomans, Chris 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:54.800 Beam in the back. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.080 He's still you're still beating up about this. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:59.720 I wanted to beat my chest, but I realized that 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.760 we have to say that until September. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.960 We can still say it with our chest on the show. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.080 Maybe August we'll get some in training camp. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:11.520 Maybe Okay, Yeah, you're still a little down from everything. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.720 There's a lot going on in this building right now. Yeah, 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.520 so I'm sure we'll get to that. A lot of 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.000 things to talk about. I'm not sure if we're gonna 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.680 touch on them or not, but uh yeah, I'm down, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.600 still disappointed, Still disappointed. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.000 Hasn't necessarily blown over. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.720 Yet the rain doesn't help, you know, in forty five 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.080 degree weather, pouring down raining feels like I'm back home 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.920 and saddles and Seattle weather. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:32.319 Very much so. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.560 But you know, like the rain doesn't bother you as 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.200 much unless you you've lost or are losing. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.760 So in this case, lost past tense and now you 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.720 gotta wait. The waiting game begins. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.440 You know, you guys can do your thing with the 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.160 draft show and all that jazz and let everybody know 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.240 who's coming down the pipeline. And then you finally get 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.160 the guys in the pipeline, and then you go to 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.880 spring ball and you talk about OTA's and then what 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.560 is the team going to look like? And then you 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.440 get the team together in camp. We kick this thing 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.640 back off. But between now and then, that's a very 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.640 long time, Like six months feels like that's a long time. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.200 It feels like it's rained every day since since the loss. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.040 It has it's been cold. But yeah, it's gonna be 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.800 an interesting offseason. I feel like probably the first most 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.119 interesting points we've already kind of gone through last week, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.000 as far as Mike McCarthy being retained going into the 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.440 final year of his contract and the expectation is there 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.360 and what's going to happen. And now we kind of 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.240 turned towards Dan Quinn. What's gonna happen with him? Does 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.640 he get a head coaching job elsewhere? He's going through 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.720 multiple second interviews this week with the Commanders and Seahawks, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.160 so we'll kind of see what happens there. And if 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.200 he departs, you have to bring in a new defensive 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.240 coordinator with the head coach that's going into the final 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.200 year of his contract. So that's going to be an 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.200 extremely difficult process and we'll kind of see when that 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.359 bridge comes. But I feel like it would. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.040 So for me before I comment on any of that, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:56.960 I still am kind of into sports cards. I think 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.080 I might have told you guys that before. And they 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.680 had like a big show like every few months out 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.639 in Allen and uh, I went, it's not by there 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:06.520 over the weekend. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.600 If this is a standback card, Oh my gosh, let's go. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.680 Were they giving it out for free? Exactly? 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.520 Here you go. You remember signing this. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.960 I remember sitting down and having extensive signing sessions. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.040 Yes, it was a dollar, Yeah I believe it. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.320 Yeah, that's that's more than I thought you better get 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.840 your royalty, bro, just saying. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:35.520 I saw can I see that? 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:36.160 I saw that. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.520 I saw that, and I was like, I have to 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:38.280 bring that up on the show. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.560 Dude, that is awesome. That's the best dollar you've ever spent. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.880 Absolutely, Let's let's read the back of the card. Let's 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.280 read this, Okay, just appreciate it. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.680 So that is incredible. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.120 It doesn't say who it was written by, but it 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.360 says it's one of the most athletic quarterbacks in the 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.120 nation and skilled enough to get drafted at another position 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:56.880 wide receiver or defensive back. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.520 He has a very strong arm, makes all the. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.280 Throws, shows great mobility, changes direction quickly, is a team 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.160 leader and has good ball skills and sells the play action. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.840 Compares to you remember what they compared you to. The 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.280 only person they compared me to is Vig. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:12.280 It was Michael Vick. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.320 Okay, good memory. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.440 There's only one guy that Yeah, at that time, six 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.799 foot three, two hundred and fifteen pounds. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.520 Team leader, forty yard dash. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.720 Four point five eight, that's forty. Definitely a lot roa. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.520 As soon as they said defensive back on there, I 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:31.520 knew that was falsified. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:33.760 Road. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.280 I have no idea you don't have good hits or something. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.240 Bro, No, it looks like you signed it though. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:43.600 Sign So those signing sessions they literally a graph. They 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:44.560 literally they'll come to you. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.000 I'm still really good friends with the with the gentleman 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.000 who was doing the signings for me at that time. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.599 What they do is they bring this biner. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.960 I'm sorry if I'm ruining this free new fans out there, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.599 but they bring a giant biner, right, and this binder 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.240 has nothing but stickers. Yeah, yeah right, it has like 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.640 like like one hundred stickers per sheet. Yeah, and you 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.599 sit up there for hours, right, and you just sign 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.640 them and you just literally watch a movie and sign 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.840 these things. So you was signed, you know, depending on 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.880 what the agreement was, you know, anywhere fifteen hundred three thousand, 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.279 five thousand, if it was a good, good deal, and 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.159 you would just sit up there and watch TV with 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.560 this random guy you know, in your spot and you 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.480 just signing away after college, right after college, Yeah. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.400 I went to that draft in Chicago in twenty sixteen. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.680 Cowboys had a top five pick, and right after, like 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.800 guys are getting drafted, they would take them to a 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.600 room where they would do some interviews and stuff. And 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.440 then they would take another room that was through Panini, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:34.719 which is a car company, and they would just be. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.080 Signing those things one after another. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.000 So yeah, there was some good checks, bro, But I 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.960 found out the hard way obviously, coming out of college, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.080 at least in my background, I didn't know about taxes 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:43.719 and all this stuff. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:44.080 Bro. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.480 What Bro, I had a CPA. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:48.880 I just knew that you're supposed to get a cepia 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.400 at that time, right if I had the wisdom that 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:51.640 I have today back then. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.200 But I didn't know anything about taxes, right, So my 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:56.039 CPA called me. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.640 The only thing I knew about taxes is that you 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.000 get money back, right, right as a twenty year old. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:02.320 As a twenty one year old, that's all I knew 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.320 was that you get money back, right. That was taxes. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:04.839 Bro. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.800 They called me and she was like, yeah, so you're 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.080 gonna have to pay taxes this year. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.880 I was like, pay, we don't. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.120 Receive, bro. She told me how much it was. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.600 I was sick to my stomach, sick writing that check. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:20.520 There's no getting around that one. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.080 Oh sir, we bob Panini. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.400 It was good checks though. Yeah, that was funa When 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:28.760 people wanted my autograph, that's good. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.120 The one The one thing I was going to say 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.760 about this past weekend was I did feel a little 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.920 bit different about the Packers because I did think they'd 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.960 get blown off the map by the Niners. So for 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.080 them hanging in there, it makes it look a little 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.200 bit more formidable. I STI don't think the Cowboys should 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.799 have got blown out the way they did. But I'm 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.320 not speaking for the team right else. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:48.960 I'm speaking for myself. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.800 I thought the Packers weren't even I thought they were 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.719 the worst team in the playoffs, and so for them 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.440 to hang in there with the Niners, I was kind 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.360 of surprised by that. But still that doesn't it's not 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.440 an excuse for the Cowboys, you know, for sure. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.320 Yeah, And I think from the last time we were 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.599 on this program, specifically because we were on the Joint 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.119 podcast and we were on the Draft Show podcast talking 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.280 about the retainment of Mike McCarthy, I don't think we've 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:16.360 talked about really the impact that has here on really 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.720 what that does moving forward, because it's the first domino 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.520 that needs to fall, but it's also not necessarily a 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.360 domino falling at all. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.720 Right, But so most people I would assume, Okay, I 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.400 don't want to, you know what I'm saying, push this 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.040 on everybody, right, I don't want to put everybody in 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.520 a box. But the reality is people think about switching 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.880 defensive coordinators. I think you started to go down that path. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.080 It's not as simplistic as just changing the guy. It's 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.880 not as simplicitic as just changing the scheme. When you 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.880 change the scheme, you change the personnel. And when you 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.560 change the personnel, you have to change how you approach 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.560 the offseason. Now you have to go out there and 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.000 get some guys that fit those molds that you need 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.920 to feel. And you also have to go out there 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.440 and whether it's in the draft or whether it's in 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.280 free agency, the guys that are currently on this roster 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.320 might not fit the mold of the incoming, potential incoming 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:04.560 defensive coordinator. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.000 So that is change enough. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.520 And I was trying to get this point across when 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.480 everybody was talking about trying to get rid of McCarthy, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.640 and I was like, no, no, no, Like, McCarthy's done 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:13.240 a heck of a job. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:13.600 Let him. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:14.360 Let him stay. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.280 But also, you're gonna have enough change just by changing 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.520 one coach on this team. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.000 You know, it's not just you know it. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.360 Potentially dan Quinn leaves and somebody else comes in that 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.800 has a domino effect to you, guys's point through the 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.960 whole front office. Now, okay, whoever's coming in, do you 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.760 run a four to three? Do you run a three four? 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.160 All right? 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.600 Dan Quinn runs pretty much dime all you know all day. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.480 Now we don't need as many defensive backs. Maybe we 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.840 need to bring in more linebackers. Now we need five 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.160 or six linebackers on the roster that are ready to go. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.040 Maybe we need bigger three techniques instead of having speed 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.800 guys up front. So it changes absolutely everything, even just 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.280 on one side of the ball. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:50.840 One decision coach doesn't change. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.920 But if that coach is back, because that coach doesn't 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.079 get it, those head coaching. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.000 No, no, for sure, for sure. No, that's that's awesome, right, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.000 that's best case scenario. But I'm saying, like a lot 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.920 of people don't think that way. People don't think that way. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.240 People are like, okay, yeah, okay, whatever, dan Quinn leaves, Okay, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.000 bring somebody else in. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.600 It's like it's not that simple. It's really not that simple. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:06.679 Like there is literally a. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.440 Domino effect that goes from if dan Quinn leaves, now 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.520 your next guy, you're gonna try to get somebody that 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.600 is as close to dan Quinn because now you don't 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.000 have to make as many personnel changes. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.640 Yeah, I would also say with whoever that new if there, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:23.160 if there is a new DC, that's what they get 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.400 for playing like that. So if you have to adjust 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.760 as defensive players to a different scheme or a different style, well, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.280 I don't understand why you just run it back and 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.559 you're just building, like why you're sitting there feeling like, well, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.160 now I'm a little uncomfortable in this. I think everybody's 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.120 uncomfortable watching that game. So there should be some changes made. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.520 And even if it is the same DC, there has 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:42.760 to be they have to get bigger. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:43.480 There has to be. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.520 It can't just be no, no, no, this is good. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.199 That was just an outlier. Let's just run every single 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.480 thing about this back. I think some change would be good. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:50.680 They have to get bigger. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.160 I think that's priority number one, before scheme, before anything, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.200 before experience, well, free agents, whatever. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.200 They got to get bigger. Yeah, you saw that on 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.480 all three levels. IM pat them. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.120 The Packers game, the Bills game, the Niners game. Every 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.160 game that they lost drastically, it was because they were 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:04.920 just over physical. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.040 Completely agree well, and I think that's part of the 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.800 disappointment from Cowboys fans. If they're looking at this coaching 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.480 staff and they're seeing Mike McCarthy back so check that box. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.080 Dan Quinn backward. That's yet to be seen. He's still 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.120 in the middle of interviewing on multiple process. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.560 But I mean, is that taken longer than you expect it? Yeah? 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.000 No, it is for me. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.600 But I think it's just because of the big names 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.360 that are involved around the coaching search. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.800 That's why initially I thought it would take a little 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.360 bit longer, because teams will mull over their options. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.160 But also I think there's a legitimate worry about what 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:37.319 happened the last spring back. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:41.319 Yeah, I think there's a legitimate worry excuse me about 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:45.720 teams running the ball effectively against dan Quinn and having 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.120 that extra element and that extra. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.320 I guess feather In his captain in a way, because 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:54.920 if he could stop the run and you have all 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.640 these other numbers, then it's not even a question go 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.800 hire him. He's the best defensive coordinator in football. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.000 What if you got factor in what else? 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.080 Happens in the playoffs, because what if you sit there 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:04.360 and yeah, you might be set on a guy, but 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.720 then all of a sudden, I don't expect this to happen. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.920 But if the Lions won the Super Bowl, I think 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.520 Ben Johnson's worth more than Washington. I think he's I 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.280 think deserves a better job than that to be the 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.520 offensive coordinator of a Detroit lionstein that won the Super Bowl. 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.839 I don't know if I'm settling for Commanders. Yeah, I 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.720 would want something, I mean, because that's been the job 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.680 that he's been linked to ever since. You know, he 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.880 interviewed with Carolina last year, then he's interviewed with them again, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:25.640 and then Washington. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:26.480 But I'm just kind of like. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.360 If you were one of those, just like you know, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.280 the Eagles coordinators, you know, you get to Super Bowl, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.360 you know there might be even a better job out there, 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.320 a team that might not have been as interesting as like, well, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.959 hold on, let's make sure we get the best possible person. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.440 Because I don't know, maybe I'm just speaking for myself, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.680 but if if you offer me Seattle or you offer 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.080 me Washington, it's not really that glob at all. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:44.920 Going to Seattle. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.120 Yeah, so I think there's ways that this has taken 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.320 longer than it needs to for or that was anticipated 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.240 for dan Quinn. But for the most part, this is 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.959 this is right around the timing that you would anticipate too. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.680 Plus I think dan Quinn probably anticipated playing at least 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.320 in the divisional round, maybe. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:01.760 A little bit further too. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.120 I'm honestly very surprised that it's taking this long, and 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.680 I truly believe that that last game had a negative 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.360 impact on his ability to sign quickly if you were 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.920 going to Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.640 that he's definitely leaving. I think there's a high probability 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.760 that he leaves, but I don't know sure. Obviously none 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.400 of us sitting here, no, but I believe that had 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.440 that game gone a little differently, that I expected him 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:29.720 to sign with a team. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:31.800 Yeah, a day or two later. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.679 That was my expectation, like I thought, as soon as 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.120 that was over all, right, yeah he's gone. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.760 But it hasn't been that. And yes, I think in 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:39.560 part because of the. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.960 Viable options that are out there, But I also think 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.160 that that Green Bay game, to your point, left a 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.440 huge stain on what dan Quinn has done all. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:52.079 The good that he's done. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.839 People are like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, we know you've 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.120 been good, but but yeah, that Super Bowl and that 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.400 last game that you have the Cowboys, those two games, 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.320 oh my gosh, forget everything else good that you've done 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:02.640 with those two games are glaring. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.000 Well, look at the way that Cowboys nation has reacted, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.480 and it's a deservingly so. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.280 I mean, it was a bad out and you gave 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.440 up forty one points to Green Bay. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.120 But the impact that he's had on this. 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.720 Defense, ye on this team is insane. It's insane. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.200 I mean think that's to play to your point initially 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.120 in this segment whenever you were talking about you can't 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.079 just go grab another guy and just expect it to 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:29.920 be the same and expect to have that same sort 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.520 of mentality and that same sort of effort, that same 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:37.200 sort of structure. Mike Nolan, That's the only thing I 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.200 have to say is, Mike Nolan, if you were around 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.200 in twenty twenty, which I hope you were if you're 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.880 Cowboys fan, yeah, Mike Nolan was not very good for you. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.199 And you brought in Dan Quinn and he flipped. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.360 That thing on its head and made them one of 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.000 the most effective defenses in football. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.280 I mean, he's a good job to follow. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.400 That was what you want to be the DC following that. Sure, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.240 you don't want to be the head coach, fellow, Nick Saban, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.120 you want to be the DC that's following man, what 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:58.920 you just talked about. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.480 Yeah, there's elements to it, but I think if you 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.320 bring back Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn nick Is, I mean, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.079 it's got to go. You got to go straight into 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.360 building this roster and going all in pushing your chips 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.640 in somehow some way, because to John's point earlier, you 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:15.560 can't just run it back. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.360 Yeah, you look at the free agents that are on 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.240 the defensive side of the ball and the guys that 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.200 are most likely going to have to replace, and you 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.520 look at what they can do as far as extensions 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.680 with DAK and CD and making some room. I think 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.000 they would have to get aggressive and free agency, they 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.000 would have to and being able to stack up that 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.120 defensive side of the ball, add some size. Again, there's 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.840 gonna have to be something different. And then once you 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:37.760 have the guys in place, once you go into OTA's 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.800 that's we start talking about schematic changes and what you 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:40.320 can do there. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.520 Because that's also necessary. But I feel like you got 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:43.760 to get there first. I think there's a couple of 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:44.880 steps before you get there. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.120 That would be fascinating. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.680 If they went in big and free agency or more, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.680 even if they did more trades like they did last 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.400 year for Cooks and Gilmore. I don't know how they 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.280 can do that with giving up. They're already kind of 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.120 limited in draft capital. But to make those aggressive moves, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.360 that's something we haven't seen since in over a decad Do. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:00.840 You think that you see or of that, or you 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.160 think they go they revert back to the old ways. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.400 I think they try, I really do. I mean, you 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.560 look at everything that's on the table right now. Jerry 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.160 Jones is in his early eighties, Mike McCarthy's going into 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.120 his final season of his contract. I mean, there's gonna 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.080 be who at the table says nah, let's let's not. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.120 You think it's desperation at this point? Honestly, would you 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:19.160 attach that word to it? 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.480 I don't know if i'd attached desperation, but I would 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:22.920 definitely attach urgency. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:23.880 Yeah, I would definitely. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.280 There was a lot of There was a lot of 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.000 the same at the end of Jason Garrett's tenure, and 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.440 I don't remember them being very aggressive in that free 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:36.120 agency or trade market before his final season, So I 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.040 believe it when I see it. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.280 Yeah, I mean, that's that's a real point, you know 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:41.640 what I mean. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.040 You also look at what Brandon Cooks and Stefan Gilmore 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.200 gave to your team this past season, and now you 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.480 want on both of those you were you got what 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.680 you traded for in both of. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.360 Those instances, and and Hankins, I mean. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.160 I'd be I'd be surprised if anybody at that table 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.600 is like, nah, let's let's hold off on signing this 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.800 big free agent on a one or two year deal, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.600 you know, six seventh round pick for this guy. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.640 And Evans is the only one I feel like they 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.320 they swung and missed on in terms of. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.080 Value on the field. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.280