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Speaker 6: Beam in the back.
Speaker 4: He's still you're still beating up about this.
Speaker 7: I wanted to beat my chest, but I realized that
Speaker 7: we have to say that until September.
Speaker 4: We can still say it with our chest on the show.
Speaker 3: Maybe August we'll get some in training camp.
Speaker 6: Maybe Okay, Yeah, you're still a little down from everything.
Speaker 8: There's a lot going on in this building right now. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so I'm sure we'll get to that. A lot of
Speaker 8: things to talk about. I'm not sure if we're gonna
Speaker 8: touch on them or not, but uh yeah, I'm down,
Speaker 8: still disappointed, Still disappointed.
Speaker 7: Hasn't necessarily blown over.
Speaker 8: Yet the rain doesn't help, you know, in forty five
Speaker 8: degree weather, pouring down raining feels like I'm back home
Speaker 8: and saddles and Seattle weather.
Speaker 7: Very much so.
Speaker 8: But you know, like the rain doesn't bother you as
Speaker 8: much unless you you've lost or are losing.
Speaker 7: So in this case, lost past tense and now you
Speaker 7: gotta wait. The waiting game begins.
Speaker 8: You know, you guys can do your thing with the
Speaker 8: draft show and all that jazz and let everybody know
Speaker 8: who's coming down the pipeline. And then you finally get
Speaker 8: the guys in the pipeline, and then you go to
Speaker 8: spring ball and you talk about OTA's and then what
Speaker 8: is the team going to look like? And then you
Speaker 8: get the team together in camp. We kick this thing
Speaker 8: back off. But between now and then, that's a very
Speaker 8: long time, Like six months feels like that's a long time.
Speaker 9: It feels like it's rained every day since since the loss.
Speaker 9: It has it's been cold. But yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 9: an interesting offseason. I feel like probably the first most
Speaker 9: interesting points we've already kind of gone through last week,
Speaker 9: as far as Mike McCarthy being retained going into the
Speaker 9: final year of his contract and the expectation is there
Speaker 9: and what's going to happen. And now we kind of
Speaker 9: turned towards Dan Quinn. What's gonna happen with him? Does
Speaker 9: he get a head coaching job elsewhere? He's going through
Speaker 9: multiple second interviews this week with the Commanders and Seahawks,
Speaker 9: so we'll kind of see what happens there. And if
Speaker 9: he departs, you have to bring in a new defensive
Speaker 9: coordinator with the head coach that's going into the final
Speaker 9: year of his contract. So that's going to be an
Speaker 9: extremely difficult process and we'll kind of see when that
Speaker 9: bridge comes. But I feel like it would.
Speaker 10: So for me before I comment on any of that,
Speaker 10: I still am kind of into sports cards. I think
Speaker 10: I might have told you guys that before. And they
Speaker 10: had like a big show like every few months out
Speaker 10: in Allen and uh, I went, it's not by there
Speaker 10: over the weekend.
Speaker 9: If this is a standback card, Oh my gosh, let's go.
Speaker 7: Were they giving it out for free? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Here you go. You remember signing this.
Speaker 8: I remember sitting down and having extensive signing sessions.
Speaker 7: Yes, it was a dollar, Yeah I believe it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's more than I thought you better get
Speaker 8: your royalty, bro, just saying.
Speaker 4: I saw can I see that?
Speaker 7: I saw that.
Speaker 1: I saw that, and I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: bring that up on the show.
Speaker 7: Dude, that is awesome. That's the best dollar you've ever spent.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, Let's let's read the back of the card. Let's
Speaker 8: read this, Okay, just appreciate it.
Speaker 3: So that is incredible.
Speaker 6: It doesn't say who it was written by, but it
Speaker 6: says it's one of the most athletic quarterbacks in the
Speaker 6: nation and skilled enough to get drafted at another position
Speaker 6: wide receiver or defensive back.
Speaker 4: He has a very strong arm, makes all the.
Speaker 8: Throws, shows great mobility, changes direction quickly, is a team
Speaker 8: leader and has good ball skills and sells the play action.
Speaker 8: Compares to you remember what they compared you to. The
Speaker 8: only person they compared me to is Vig.
Speaker 7: It was Michael Vick.
Speaker 4: Okay, good memory.
Speaker 8: There's only one guy that Yeah, at that time, six
Speaker 8: foot three, two hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 3: Team leader, forty yard dash.
Speaker 7: Four point five eight, that's forty. Definitely a lot roa.
Speaker 8: As soon as they said defensive back on there, I
Speaker 8: knew that was falsified.
Speaker 7: Road.
Speaker 3: I have no idea you don't have good hits or something.
Speaker 1: Bro, No, it looks like you signed it though.
Speaker 7: Sign So those signing sessions they literally a graph. They
Speaker 7: literally they'll come to you.
Speaker 8: I'm still really good friends with the with the gentleman
Speaker 8: who was doing the signings for me at that time.
Speaker 7: What they do is they bring this biner.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry if I'm ruining this free new fans out there,
Speaker 8: but they bring a giant biner, right, and this binder
Speaker 8: has nothing but stickers. Yeah, yeah right, it has like
Speaker 8: like like one hundred stickers per sheet. Yeah, and you
Speaker 8: sit up there for hours, right, and you just sign
Speaker 8: them and you just literally watch a movie and sign
Speaker 8: these things. So you was signed, you know, depending on
Speaker 8: what the agreement was, you know, anywhere fifteen hundred three thousand,
Speaker 8: five thousand, if it was a good, good deal, and
Speaker 8: you would just sit up there and watch TV with
Speaker 8: this random guy you know, in your spot and you
Speaker 8: just signing away after college, right after college, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to that draft in Chicago in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 10: Cowboys had a top five pick, and right after, like
Speaker 10: guys are getting drafted, they would take them to a
Speaker 10: room where they would do some interviews and stuff. And
Speaker 10: then they would take another room that was through Panini,
Speaker 10: which is a car company, and they would just be.
Speaker 1: Signing those things one after another.
Speaker 8: So yeah, there was some good checks, bro, But I
Speaker 8: found out the hard way obviously, coming out of college,
Speaker 8: at least in my background, I didn't know about taxes
Speaker 8: and all this stuff.
Speaker 10: Bro.
Speaker 7: What Bro, I had a CPA.
Speaker 8: I just knew that you're supposed to get a cepia
Speaker 8: at that time, right if I had the wisdom that
Speaker 8: I have today back then.
Speaker 7: But I didn't know anything about taxes, right, So my
Speaker 7: CPA called me.
Speaker 8: The only thing I knew about taxes is that you
Speaker 8: get money back, right, right as a twenty year old.
Speaker 8: As a twenty one year old, that's all I knew
Speaker 8: was that you get money back, right. That was taxes.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 7: They called me and she was like, yeah, so you're
Speaker 7: gonna have to pay taxes this year.
Speaker 4: I was like, pay, we don't.
Speaker 7: Receive, bro. She told me how much it was.
Speaker 8: I was sick to my stomach, sick writing that check.
Speaker 8: There's no getting around that one.
Speaker 3: Oh sir, we bob Panini.
Speaker 7: It was good checks though. Yeah, that was funa When
Speaker 7: people wanted my autograph, that's good.
Speaker 10: The one The one thing I was going to say
Speaker 10: about this past weekend was I did feel a little
Speaker 10: bit different about the Packers because I did think they'd
Speaker 10: get blown off the map by the Niners. So for
Speaker 10: them hanging in there, it makes it look a little
Speaker 10: bit more formidable. I STI don't think the Cowboys should
Speaker 10: have got blown out the way they did. But I'm
Speaker 10: not speaking for the team right else.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself.
Speaker 10: I thought the Packers weren't even I thought they were
Speaker 10: the worst team in the playoffs, and so for them
Speaker 10: to hang in there with the Niners, I was kind
Speaker 10: of surprised by that. But still that doesn't it's not
Speaker 10: an excuse for the Cowboys, you know, for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think from the last time we were
Speaker 6: on this program, specifically because we were on the Joint
Speaker 6: podcast and we were on the Draft Show podcast talking
Speaker 6: about the retainment of Mike McCarthy, I don't think we've
Speaker 6: talked about really the impact that has here on really
Speaker 6: what that does moving forward, because it's the first domino
Speaker 6: that needs to fall, but it's also not necessarily a
Speaker 6: domino falling at all.
Speaker 8: Right, But so most people I would assume, Okay, I
Speaker 8: don't want to, you know what I'm saying, push this
Speaker 8: on everybody, right, I don't want to put everybody in
Speaker 8: a box. But the reality is people think about switching
Speaker 8: defensive coordinators. I think you started to go down that path.
Speaker 8: It's not as simplistic as just changing the guy. It's
Speaker 8: not as simplicitic as just changing the scheme. When you
Speaker 8: change the scheme, you change the personnel. And when you
Speaker 8: change the personnel, you have to change how you approach
Speaker 8: the offseason. Now you have to go out there and
Speaker 8: get some guys that fit those molds that you need
Speaker 8: to feel. And you also have to go out there
Speaker 8: and whether it's in the draft or whether it's in
Speaker 8: free agency, the guys that are currently on this roster
Speaker 8: might not fit the mold of the incoming, potential incoming
Speaker 8: defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7: So that is change enough.
Speaker 8: And I was trying to get this point across when
Speaker 8: everybody was talking about trying to get rid of McCarthy,
Speaker 8: and I was like, no, no, no, Like, McCarthy's done
Speaker 8: a heck of a job.
Speaker 4: Let him.
Speaker 7: Let him stay.
Speaker 8: But also, you're gonna have enough change just by changing
Speaker 8: one coach on this team.
Speaker 7: You know, it's not just you know it.
Speaker 8: Potentially dan Quinn leaves and somebody else comes in that
Speaker 8: has a domino effect to you, guys's point through the
Speaker 8: whole front office. Now, okay, whoever's coming in, do you
Speaker 8: run a four to three? Do you run a three four?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 8: Dan Quinn runs pretty much dime all you know all day.
Speaker 8: Now we don't need as many defensive backs. Maybe we
Speaker 8: need to bring in more linebackers. Now we need five
Speaker 8: or six linebackers on the roster that are ready to go.
Speaker 8: Maybe we need bigger three techniques instead of having speed
Speaker 8: guys up front. So it changes absolutely everything, even just
Speaker 8: on one side of the ball.
Speaker 1: One decision coach doesn't change.
Speaker 10: But if that coach is back, because that coach doesn't
Speaker 10: get it, those head coaching.
Speaker 8: No, no, for sure, for sure. No, that's that's awesome, right,
Speaker 8: that's best case scenario. But I'm saying, like a lot
Speaker 8: of people don't think that way. People don't think that way.
Speaker 8: People are like, okay, yeah, okay, whatever, dan Quinn leaves, Okay,
Speaker 8: bring somebody else in.
Speaker 7: It's like it's not that simple. It's really not that simple.
Speaker 7: Like there is literally a.
Speaker 8: Domino effect that goes from if dan Quinn leaves, now
Speaker 8: your next guy, you're gonna try to get somebody that
Speaker 8: is as close to dan Quinn because now you don't
Speaker 8: have to make as many personnel changes.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would also say with whoever that new if there,
Speaker 10: if there is a new DC, that's what they get
Speaker 10: for playing like that. So if you have to adjust
Speaker 10: as defensive players to a different scheme or a different style, well,
Speaker 10: I don't understand why you just run it back and
Speaker 10: you're just building, like why you're sitting there feeling like, well,
Speaker 10: now I'm a little uncomfortable in this. I think everybody's
Speaker 10: uncomfortable watching that game. So there should be some changes made.
Speaker 10: And even if it is the same DC, there has
Speaker 10: to be they have to get bigger.
Speaker 1: There has to be.
Speaker 10: It can't just be no, no, no, this is good.
Speaker 10: That was just an outlier. Let's just run every single
Speaker 10: thing about this back. I think some change would be good.
Speaker 3: They have to get bigger.
Speaker 9: I think that's priority number one, before scheme, before anything,
Speaker 9: before experience, well, free agents, whatever.
Speaker 3: They got to get bigger. Yeah, you saw that on
Speaker 3: all three levels. IM pat them.
Speaker 9: The Packers game, the Bills game, the Niners game. Every
Speaker 9: game that they lost drastically, it was because they were
Speaker 9: just over physical.
Speaker 6: Completely agree well, and I think that's part of the
Speaker 6: disappointment from Cowboys fans. If they're looking at this coaching
Speaker 6: staff and they're seeing Mike McCarthy back so check that box.
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn backward. That's yet to be seen. He's still
Speaker 4: in the middle of interviewing on multiple process.
Speaker 7: But I mean, is that taken longer than you expect it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, it is for me.
Speaker 9: But I think it's just because of the big names
Speaker 9: that are involved around the coaching search.
Speaker 8: That's why initially I thought it would take a little
Speaker 8: bit longer, because teams will mull over their options.
Speaker 4: But also I think there's a legitimate worry about what
Speaker 4: happened the last spring back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's a legitimate worry excuse me about
Speaker 8: teams running the ball effectively against dan Quinn and having
Speaker 8: that extra element and that extra.
Speaker 6: I guess feather In his captain in a way, because
Speaker 6: if he could stop the run and you have all
Speaker 6: these other numbers, then it's not even a question go
Speaker 6: hire him. He's the best defensive coordinator in football.
Speaker 1: What if you got factor in what else?
Speaker 10: Happens in the playoffs, because what if you sit there
Speaker 10: and yeah, you might be set on a guy, but
Speaker 10: then all of a sudden, I don't expect this to happen.
Speaker 10: But if the Lions won the Super Bowl, I think
Speaker 10: Ben Johnson's worth more than Washington. I think he's I
Speaker 10: think deserves a better job than that to be the
Speaker 10: offensive coordinator of a Detroit lionstein that won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 10: I don't know if I'm settling for Commanders. Yeah, I
Speaker 10: would want something, I mean, because that's been the job
Speaker 10: that he's been linked to ever since. You know, he
Speaker 10: interviewed with Carolina last year, then he's interviewed with them again,
Speaker 10: and then Washington.
Speaker 1: But I'm just kind of like.
Speaker 10: If you were one of those, just like you know,
Speaker 10: the Eagles coordinators, you know, you get to Super Bowl,
Speaker 10: you know there might be even a better job out there,
Speaker 10: a team that might not have been as interesting as like, well,
Speaker 10: hold on, let's make sure we get the best possible person.
Speaker 10: Because I don't know, maybe I'm just speaking for myself,
Speaker 10: but if if you offer me Seattle or you offer
Speaker 10: me Washington, it's not really that glob at all.
Speaker 4: Going to Seattle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think there's ways that this has taken
Speaker 6: longer than it needs to for or that was anticipated
Speaker 6: for dan Quinn. But for the most part, this is
Speaker 6: this is right around the timing that you would anticipate too.
Speaker 6: Plus I think dan Quinn probably anticipated playing at least
Speaker 6: in the divisional round, maybe.
Speaker 7: A little bit further too.
Speaker 8: I'm honestly very surprised that it's taking this long, and
Speaker 8: I truly believe that that last game had a negative
Speaker 8: impact on his ability to sign quickly if you were
Speaker 8: going to Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say
Speaker 8: that he's definitely leaving. I think there's a high probability
Speaker 8: that he leaves, but I don't know sure. Obviously none
Speaker 8: of us sitting here, no, but I believe that had
Speaker 8: that game gone a little differently, that I expected him
Speaker 8: to sign with a team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a day or two later.
Speaker 8: That was my expectation, like I thought, as soon as
Speaker 8: that was over all, right, yeah he's gone.
Speaker 7: But it hasn't been that. And yes, I think in
Speaker 7: part because of the.
Speaker 8: Viable options that are out there, But I also think
Speaker 8: that that Green Bay game, to your point, left a
Speaker 8: huge stain on what dan Quinn has done all.
Speaker 7: The good that he's done.
Speaker 8: People are like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, we know you've
Speaker 8: been good, but but yeah, that Super Bowl and that
Speaker 8: last game that you have the Cowboys, those two games,
Speaker 8: oh my gosh, forget everything else good that you've done
Speaker 8: with those two games are glaring.
Speaker 4: Well, look at the way that Cowboys nation has reacted,
Speaker 4: and it's a deservingly so.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was a bad out and you gave
Speaker 6: up forty one points to Green Bay.
Speaker 4: But the impact that he's had on this.
Speaker 7: Defense, ye on this team is insane. It's insane.
Speaker 6: I mean think that's to play to your point initially
Speaker 6: in this segment whenever you were talking about you can't
Speaker 6: just go grab another guy and just expect it to
Speaker 6: be the same and expect to have that same sort
Speaker 6: of mentality and that same sort of effort, that same
Speaker 6: sort of structure. Mike Nolan, That's the only thing I
Speaker 6: have to say is, Mike Nolan, if you were around
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty, which I hope you were if you're
Speaker 6: Cowboys fan, yeah, Mike Nolan was not very good for you.
Speaker 4: And you brought in Dan Quinn and he flipped.
Speaker 6: That thing on its head and made them one of
Speaker 6: the most effective defenses in football.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good job to follow.
Speaker 10: That was what you want to be the DC following that. Sure,
Speaker 10: you don't want to be the head coach, fellow, Nick Saban,
Speaker 10: you want to be the DC that's following man, what
Speaker 10: you just talked about.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's elements to it, but I think if you
Speaker 8: bring back Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn nick Is, I mean,
Speaker 8: it's got to go. You got to go straight into
Speaker 8: building this roster and going all in pushing your chips
Speaker 8: in somehow some way, because to John's point earlier, you
Speaker 8: can't just run it back.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you look at the free agents that are on
Speaker 9: the defensive side of the ball and the guys that
Speaker 9: are most likely going to have to replace, and you
Speaker 9: look at what they can do as far as extensions
Speaker 9: with DAK and CD and making some room. I think
Speaker 9: they would have to get aggressive and free agency, they
Speaker 9: would have to and being able to stack up that
Speaker 9: defensive side of the ball, add some size. Again, there's
Speaker 9: gonna have to be something different. And then once you
Speaker 9: have the guys in place, once you go into OTA's
Speaker 9: that's we start talking about schematic changes and what you
Speaker 9: can do there.
Speaker 3: Because that's also necessary. But I feel like you got
Speaker 3: to get there first. I think there's a couple of
Speaker 3: steps before you get there.
Speaker 1: That would be fascinating.
Speaker 10: If they went in big and free agency or more,
Speaker 10: even if they did more trades like they did last
Speaker 10: year for Cooks and Gilmore. I don't know how they
Speaker 10: can do that with giving up. They're already kind of
Speaker 10: limited in draft capital. But to make those aggressive moves,
Speaker 10: that's something we haven't seen since in over a decad Do.
Speaker 8: You think that you see or of that, or you
Speaker 8: think they go they revert back to the old ways.
Speaker 9: I think they try, I really do. I mean, you
Speaker 9: look at everything that's on the table right now. Jerry
Speaker 9: Jones is in his early eighties, Mike McCarthy's going into
Speaker 9: his final season of his contract. I mean, there's gonna
Speaker 9: be who at the table says nah, let's let's not.
Speaker 8: You think it's desperation at this point? Honestly, would you
Speaker 8: attach that word to it?
Speaker 9: I don't know if i'd attached desperation, but I would
Speaker 9: definitely attach urgency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely.
Speaker 10: There was a lot of There was a lot of
Speaker 10: the same at the end of Jason Garrett's tenure, and
Speaker 10: I don't remember them being very aggressive in that free
Speaker 10: agency or trade market before his final season, So I
Speaker 10: believe it when I see it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's that's a real point, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean.
Speaker 9: You also look at what Brandon Cooks and Stefan Gilmore
Speaker 9: gave to your team this past season, and now you
Speaker 9: want on both of those you were you got what
Speaker 9: you traded for in both of.
Speaker 3: Those instances, and and Hankins, I mean.
Speaker 9: I'd be I'd be surprised if anybody at that table
Speaker 9: is like, nah, let's let's hold off on signing this
Speaker 9: big free agent on a one or two year deal,
Speaker 9: you know, six seventh round pick for this guy.
Speaker 8: And Evans is the only one I feel like they
Speaker 8: they swung and missed on in terms of.
Speaker 7: Value on the field.
Speaker 3: Evans Yeah, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean was a sign.
Speaker 7: It was a sign. I'm just talking about as far
Speaker 7: as like acquisitions, Like.
Speaker 10: Yeah, when you you say that, and I really want
Speaker 10: to believe in everything you just said, but I've sat
Speaker 10: on that bus too many times in Indianapolis and heard
Speaker 10: things like obviously I didn't hear these because these are passed.
Speaker 1: So we'll make I'll use present names.
Speaker 10: Sure, hear things like let's say this this February when
Speaker 10: we're out there.
Speaker 1: No, we really think we can.
Speaker 10: Get more out of MASI uh no, I think another
Speaker 10: year with these like smaller linebackers, we can build with this.
Speaker 10: This will be their second year in the system. I've
Speaker 10: heard a lot of that. So yeah again, I mean,
Speaker 10: I hope you're right. I would love that. That would
Speaker 10: be fascinating.
Speaker 6: Second year of Mithy's play calling.
Speaker 7: There's gonna be th there's going to be some spin.
Speaker 4: Joe.
Speaker 7: We could put twenty pounds on you.
Speaker 4: After it, John, we make it work.
Speaker 3: Marksill needs to be a safety next year.
Speaker 9: For talking linebackers, love Markey spilt did a fantastic job.
Speaker 7: He's got to be How many linebackers do you have
Speaker 7: to acquire this off season? Seven A lot.
Speaker 10: I would say at least two, at least at least
Speaker 10: at the very least.
Speaker 9: I mean you get over shown back, so you're already
Speaker 9: getting one back, so adding three to the room if
Speaker 9: you add.
Speaker 8: To let's just most likely Okay, vannersh is probably shutting
Speaker 8: it down. If I had to assume, yeah, I don't
Speaker 8: know if I want to assume anything with it.
Speaker 7: I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I'm not in the medical team.
Speaker 7: I'm not in a medical room. All right, let's put
Speaker 7: let's just speak.
Speaker 11: I am.
Speaker 7: If I'm Vanderish, I'm shutting it down. Okay.
Speaker 8: So I'm speaking from my personal outlook. I would shut
Speaker 8: it down because it's just not worth it from my perspective.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 8: So if we were taking my perspective, if you have.
Speaker 7: Two linebackers over shown and demon, what.
Speaker 10: If you were sitting at home after you made that
Speaker 10: decision and they win the Super Bowl the next year.
Speaker 8: Then you you should have been a scout or somebody
Speaker 8: helping on the on the front office coaching staff.
Speaker 10: So I love hypothetical. So I just like throwing it,
Speaker 10: especially when I don't have the answer.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 8: I've had teammates that have had some serious neck injuries
Speaker 8: and they shut it down.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's serious. I've had, especially for that position.
Speaker 8: I've had my boy, my boy Lockett in Seattle, Big
Speaker 8: Cam in Seattle. Those guys had neck injuries and they
Speaker 8: shut it down. They wanted to play more, right, they
Speaker 8: wanted to play more. They could have came back, it
Speaker 8: wouldn't work.
Speaker 7: The risk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's certainly an aspect to it, and the linebackers
Speaker 6: is a circled position. But when we come back here
Speaker 6: on Talking Cowboys, we're going to open up the phone lines.
Speaker 6: I want to talk to Cowboys Nation, call them our
Speaker 6: first off season episode. We haven't gotten to hear from
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Speaker 6: My question for you Cowboys Nation today, what is your
Speaker 6: plan moving forward? This could get dangerous, but what is
Speaker 6: your plan moving forward for the Cowboys. We're going to
Speaker 6: see if it would work, if it's possible, what we
Speaker 6: think about it here on the show when we come
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Speaker 6: I'm going to answer some of these text messages. This
Speaker 6: one's from Tolly in Colleen says, do you believe that
Speaker 6: we need to take a step back making a scheme
Speaker 6: change and personnel change to be more successful moving into
Speaker 6: this off sne so offseason?
Speaker 4: So scheme change, personnel changes? Which one do you feel
Speaker 4: like would be more successful? Oh?
Speaker 10: For me, personnel and when I mean changes, I mean
Speaker 10: just add to that offensive line.
Speaker 1: There's just too much of When.
Speaker 10: I watched this Lions team, and I just I feel
Speaker 10: like if you put a better offensive line in front
Speaker 10: of deck, how many other things can fall into place.
Speaker 10: Your running game can get better, the rest of the
Speaker 10: offense can get more improved. You take a little bit
Speaker 10: more pressure off him. He doesn't have to feel as
Speaker 10: much of that as everything's on his shoulders. I think
Speaker 10: that would be a huge advancement for the offense. Is
Speaker 10: if you could improve the offensive line this offseason.
Speaker 7: Do you feel that it's more personnel oriented or do
Speaker 7: you feel like.
Speaker 8: It's more in a like a mentality slash identity.
Speaker 9: Let's go hand in hand though, Like yeah, sure, I
Speaker 9: mean that is I'm just a part of it, part
Speaker 9: of it.
Speaker 8: Sometimes there's a physical inability to execute your assignment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think health is a lot of times for me.
Speaker 10: And there's just so too many times there's the last
Speaker 10: few years where it's just always a revolving door with
Speaker 10: something on the offensive line. I'm talking about if you
Speaker 10: can get a at least four out of the five
Speaker 10: starting every single week together, I mean, you'd like it
Speaker 10: to be all five. I just think good things will
Speaker 10: eventually happen. It just hit rarely has happened here.
Speaker 8: And you're moving on from Tyrone Smith this offseason as
Speaker 8: a free agent because he's kind of been a part
Speaker 8: of that revolving door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's certainly possible.
Speaker 10: But yeah, as I'm sitting here today, I my focus
Speaker 10: is getting an offensive lineman early in this draft, and
Speaker 10: so I figure that will figure some of this out,
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 4: So, Jordan More, what do you think?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I think I think it's kind of different on both
Speaker 9: sides of the wall. We talked about the defensive side
Speaker 9: in the previous segment. I think there's changes you have
Speaker 9: to make with both sche man personal on defensive.
Speaker 3: Side offensive side.
Speaker 9: I really don't feel like there's a schematic change you
Speaker 9: really need to make that major, major schematic change you
Speaker 9: need to make. I do you look at what Mike
Speaker 9: McCarthy did in his first year as a play caller.
Speaker 9: He set up Dak to be able to succeed in
Speaker 9: the way he did. Was he able to perform against
Speaker 9: bad teams? Absolutely, it was phenomenal. Was he able to
Speaker 9: perform against good teams?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 9: But I think when you look at the product and
Speaker 9: you take away the star on the helmet, you take
Speaker 9: away the characters involved, you look at everything that happened
Speaker 9: on the field, and you look at the production, you
Speaker 9: look at where Dak's gonna finish in the MVP race,
Speaker 9: and so on and so forth. In a first year
Speaker 9: is an offense you run that back and obviously, I
Speaker 9: mean you throw some different things in. I'm not saying like,
Speaker 9: don't change anything. Yeah, Like we were just talking about
Speaker 9: how they probably have changed cadence next year. You know,
Speaker 9: it is what it is. But I don't think there's
Speaker 9: as much of a schematic change needed offensively as you
Speaker 9: on the defensive side.
Speaker 7: I totally agree with you in that regard.
Speaker 8: I think offensively, if you are unable to address your
Speaker 8: personnel on the front offensive line, then you have to
Speaker 8: change some things schematically for you to have a more
Speaker 8: effective running game. If you're able to change out some
Speaker 8: of your personnel and improve in that regard, then I
Speaker 8: think you can keep your same scheme because you'll be
Speaker 8: able to execute better. That's my that's my outlook on
Speaker 8: the offense passing game. I'm good with it. Just need
Speaker 8: to continue to mix up right who's running what you know,
Speaker 8: your alignment, your personnel groupings. There's a whole lot of
Speaker 8: things that you could do to screw with the defense there.
Speaker 8: So I'm okay with that because those are changes that
Speaker 8: he will make for sure. But in terms of having
Speaker 8: an effective, dominant running game, like being able to win
Speaker 8: when it's nut cutting time and you need to turn
Speaker 8: around to hand the ball off, like you should have
Speaker 8: a full bow of confidence that you can do that
Speaker 8: and get two yards, like at any point in time,
Speaker 8: like I'm fully confident you weren't able to do that
Speaker 8: at all.
Speaker 4: No, and there is always just a little bit.
Speaker 6: Of a just a pause going into those moments this.
Speaker 8: Year, and that never was really and the teams that
Speaker 8: are in the champ in hip games right now all
Speaker 8: feel as if they could turn around and hand the
Speaker 8: ball off the checko closing out.
Speaker 9: I was just about to say that, I had someone
Speaker 9: text me, you're in the Chiefs games like man Pacheco,
Speaker 9: seventh round pick.
Speaker 3: How does this happen?
Speaker 4: You know why?
Speaker 3: You need him to get ten yards? He gets eight?
Speaker 3: Three bang game over.
Speaker 7: So he's a beast, right. But what did they do
Speaker 7: with their office line two years ago?
Speaker 4: Beefed it up?
Speaker 8: Yeah, big time, invested the crap out of me, and
Speaker 8: they got their butts kicked the whole first half of
Speaker 8: the season while they were trying to figure out how
Speaker 8: to play together.
Speaker 7: You guys remember that.
Speaker 3: City perfect They're still remember that Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, But I'm saying, but.
Speaker 10: Like the round pick thing, Okay, so you're just gonna
Speaker 10: forget about Clyde Edwards Hilaire. You spend a premium pick
Speaker 10: on us. Yeah, I mean, let's talk about Calvin Joseph
Speaker 10: when you also got Duryn Bland.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's a good point. But to that point,
Speaker 8: I like Pacheco. He's a beast, he runs hard, he's
Speaker 8: shifting and all that stuff. But like they invested in
Speaker 8: that old line. Yeah, they took a step backwards to
Speaker 8: take three steps forward.
Speaker 7: And it hurt them for a little bit. They're, oh,
Speaker 7: Kannas City's not Kansas City no more.
Speaker 8: And I remember we had these convers I was like, hey,
Speaker 8: just wait, because soon some boys learn how to play together.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 10: From your quarterbacking days, though, would you rather have that
Speaker 10: offensive line or better weapons on the perimeter.
Speaker 3: It seems like you got to.
Speaker 8: Have it on line because scheme with the talent. If
Speaker 8: you're in the NFL, you have enough talent to be
Speaker 8: successful and all you need is a solid scheme, and
Speaker 8: I think McVeigh is a perfect example of that. He's
Speaker 8: never had I mean, i'd say never, he's there's you know,
Speaker 8: out of his entire career down there in LA he
Speaker 8: has never he hasn't had just amazing receivers across the
Speaker 8: board every year, right, And this year it was kind
Speaker 8: of the same, like, oh he only has Cooper Cup
Speaker 8: coming into this season, all of a sudden, who's this
Speaker 8: pooking the Kua cat. Yeah he's talented, But we talk
Speaker 8: about confidence all the time in this league and how
Speaker 8: if you instill confidence in a player, they will go.
Speaker 8: They will go leaps in the bounds above what you
Speaker 8: believe that they can do. And he's just a schematic genius.
Speaker 8: So you can scheme up guys to get open. And
Speaker 8: everybody's capable of making plays. Now can you catch it,
Speaker 8: get yack yardage? You know, make guys miss Now, that's
Speaker 8: all extras, but I could scheme you to get open.
Speaker 8: And I think that's why coaches are starting to be
Speaker 8: so much more value than the players nowadays.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just don't when I think of that, when
Speaker 10: I ask you that it's the whole like you know,
Speaker 10: the Bengals could have went Penn Sewel or Jamar Chase,
Speaker 10: you know, and I think that there's arguments for both sides,
Speaker 10: but I think I would agree with you. If I'm
Speaker 10: playing quarterback, I think your best chance to survive is
Speaker 10: with a big, solid offensive line and then you can
Speaker 10: get the playmakers.
Speaker 8: Later.
Speaker 4: We'll think about the Lions specifically. You mentioned Pinne Soul there.
Speaker 6: I mean, they've beefed up their offensive line over the
Speaker 6: last two three seasons as well, and they're.
Speaker 8: One of the better run blocking teams in football. They've
Speaker 8: got a two headed monster in the backfield that they've
Speaker 8: added later, Montgomery Gibbs.
Speaker 7: Those are two young running backs.
Speaker 4: You've got the guide.
Speaker 3: They had both of those guys in one offseason.
Speaker 4: Continue, Yes, then you've got you have, But then you
Speaker 4: go to the outside.
Speaker 8: You've got young receivers on the outside that are weapons
Speaker 8: as well that Jared Goff can sit back behind and throw.
Speaker 4: The football too.
Speaker 6: So you can build in different ways, but it always
Speaker 6: seems to start.
Speaker 8: In one area up front because there's less capable guys
Speaker 8: up front. That's what the NFL is now. There's a
Speaker 8: lot of skilled guys. I mean, no disrespect to the
Speaker 8: guys that are on rosters right now. There's a lot
Speaker 8: of skilled guys that you can again scheme into position,
Speaker 8: build their confidence, and put them in a position to
Speaker 8: do well office a lineman. There's just not as many
Speaker 8: guys available that are capable of doing your job to
Speaker 8: the level of excellence. And that's why I feel like
Speaker 8: when you have an opportunity to go get those guys,
Speaker 8: you go freaking get them, and you give those guys
Speaker 8: a bag, and you hope that you can retain your
Speaker 8: your your personnel at the at these more athletic positions,
Speaker 8: right and you know talking about the skill positions. If
Speaker 8: you can retain those guys and awesome. But if you
Speaker 8: lose some of those guys, ah, man, we might not
Speaker 8: be able to retain this high dollar guy. But guess what,
Speaker 8: there's this young cat over here that if we put
Speaker 8: them in position, he could do some things right. If
Speaker 8: we give our quarterback time to get him the ball, right,
Speaker 8: all receivers all eventually get open, right, But like to
Speaker 8: your point, everything starts, it's up front time. Gotta have time.
Speaker 8: I can give my quarterback time and I can open
Speaker 8: up holes. If I could do both of those things
Speaker 8: regardless of my personnel.
Speaker 7: I'm in good position.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're drafting offensive line in the first round.
Speaker 8: Sounds good, guys, Well done everybody you talking to Let's
Speaker 8: go to Alan in clear Water, Florida. Allen, you're on
Speaker 8: talking Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Question today is how are you fixing on the Cowboys
Speaker 6: this offseason?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 18: Not by drafting an offensive lineman. Oh no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 18: How did we do last year? We had three Pro
Speaker 18: bowlers on that offensive line? How many sacks did Martin
Speaker 18: give up? Smith give up? Smith give up? I understand
Speaker 18: beattish is a little undersize. Not the problem. We still
Speaker 18: we still threw the ball, we could still running the ball.
Speaker 18: Was more I think the running back than the other line,
Speaker 18: because I think Pollard just couldn't come back from that injury.
Speaker 18: So okay, here's what I think fixes it. When the
Speaker 18: offense failed when Dak gets pressure, the problem was if
Speaker 18: you compare him to the other quarterbacks when they're getting pressure,
Speaker 18: he still held the ball too long. He made bad
Speaker 18: decisions when he was running out of the pocket in
Speaker 18: that playoff game, and he took that sack. That is
Speaker 18: a mental thing for Dak. He does not do well
Speaker 18: under pressure, and that to me is a coaching thing.
Speaker 18: He needs to still be coached up as good as
Speaker 18: he can be. And if at the beginning of that
Speaker 18: playoff game, Mike McCarthy sat him down after the first
Speaker 18: series and said, hey, get out of your head and
Speaker 18: throw some easy the running back passes and screens, something
Speaker 18: real easy. Shuttle him down. The offensive line, we need
Speaker 18: it for the future. But if you guys are talking
Speaker 18: about this is an urgency, the first pick of the
Speaker 18: draft needs to come back to defense. It is the linebackers.
Speaker 18: It is the defensive line. And if we look at
Speaker 18: the last six games of the season, we got one
Speaker 18: sack game, we got no sacks. The pressures were all off.
Speaker 18: I don't know if that's just talent. I think it's
Speaker 18: also scheme, because clearly the scheme in that playoff game
Speaker 18: was horrendous, huge failure. But I'm putting it on the
Speaker 18: coaches defensively for steam offensively. I think Dak still needs
Speaker 18: a coach in his ear to make better decisions. And
Speaker 18: I would fix this by getting an O lineman either
Speaker 18: next year or later on in the draft, and I
Speaker 18: would focus that draft on linebacker and defensive line.
Speaker 8: What do you think.
Speaker 4: Thank you for the call, Alan, just real quick before
Speaker 4: we let you go.
Speaker 8: Whenever you're talking about Dak not being good versus pressure,
Speaker 8: are you talking about physical pressure or are you talking
Speaker 8: about the pressure of like being in the postseason.
Speaker 18: I'm talking about the pressure in the postseason. He could
Speaker 18: be great against the Blitz. Talent wise, we've seen him
Speaker 18: make some awesome plays, but on certain plays when he
Speaker 18: sees that pressure, he doesn't. It seems to me he
Speaker 18: doesn't react mentally in those moments the way that I
Speaker 18: think he's capable of. And to me, that's still coaching him.
Speaker 8: So a little bit of both here is kind of
Speaker 8: what you're talking about, physical pressure and pressure of playing
Speaker 8: in those big games.
Speaker 18: I guess so, I guess so awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you Allan appreciate the call. Great insight.
Speaker 10: All right, I've just watched too much of Jared Goff
Speaker 10: that this year that Dak would be doing the exact
Speaker 10: same thing in Detroit. And I mean there's plays that
Speaker 10: have happened in these two playoff wins for the Lions
Speaker 10: where GoF does some stuff or you're just like, whoa dude,
Speaker 10: what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: But he has a great offensive line.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so those the number of times where he's put
Speaker 10: in those positions is way low. You know, that's the
Speaker 10: biggest read. That's why you trade a first round pick
Speaker 10: along with him to take him off your hands. There's
Speaker 10: nothing Jared Goff is doing that Dak Prescott wouldn't. And
Speaker 10: now he's getting all of his flowers now and everything's great.
Speaker 10: But he has a great offensive line in front of
Speaker 10: him that's allowing him to do a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 6: So I just want to pull this up or Jared
Speaker 6: Goff this year, just since he's the one going to
Speaker 6: compare it to. He threw one hundred and ninety nine
Speaker 6: attempts against pressure, right, so he was one oh seven
Speaker 6: for one ninety nine. That's fifty three percent completion, thirteen
Speaker 6: hundred yards. He had three touchdowns and eight interceptions.
Speaker 4: Three touchdowns and eight interceptions.
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott versus pressure this season threw one hundred and
Speaker 6: thirty nine passes. His completion percentage was seventy or it
Speaker 6: was sixty two percent, but he had eleven hundred yards,
Speaker 6: nine touchdowns in one interception. He was actually more prone
Speaker 6: to throwing an interception without pressure than he would have
Speaker 6: under pressure. He had twenty seven touchdowns without pressure.
Speaker 4: Eight of his.
Speaker 6: Nine interceptions came when there was no pressure in the pocket.
Speaker 10: I think the best thing that would help m like
Speaker 10: I said, the offensive line improving, because I also think
Speaker 10: it's just not about the passing game. I think what
Speaker 10: that could do for your running game, because I'm also
Speaker 10: I'm of the belief that you're going to take running
Speaker 10: back somewhere within the first few rounds unless unless you're
Speaker 10: bringing back Tony Poller, Like, I don't see them just
Speaker 10: sitting there and not bringing a young back in. It's
Speaker 10: not saying Jami or Gibbs first round type thing, but
Speaker 10: I think you got to bring in a young back
Speaker 10: that is going to be your horse going forward.
Speaker 1: It's a young man's game back there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you've got a second and third round pick. You
Speaker 6: don't have a fourth round pick.
Speaker 8: You might get a fifth back in the comp situation,
Speaker 8: So you're talking third, fifth, and then possibly sixth as
Speaker 8: when you would probably want to draft a running back.
Speaker 4: You don't want that to happen.
Speaker 8: Isaac No, just a couple of things with the caller.
Speaker 8: I agree and disagree with some of the things that
Speaker 8: you said. I've been beating the table for some years now.
Speaker 8: I think ever since I got in here to bring
Speaker 8: John Kitting back to coach up Dak Prescott. I don't
Speaker 8: know if that's something that's feasible, but I think that's
Speaker 8: when Dak made his most greatest jumps in terms of
Speaker 8: I know, I.
Speaker 9: Just like PTSD from never from him as a high
Speaker 9: school coach.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but he was great with Dak, right, I don't
Speaker 7: know what he's doing there, but he was great.
Speaker 1: You think Dak was better than than he is now.
Speaker 7: I think that he was held more accountable, and.
Speaker 1: The season's ended the same way, So I don't think he.
Speaker 8: Was held more accountable, just just from stuff that I know. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so I'm in favor of that. I do think he
Speaker 8: needs more coaching in that regard, in those situations more
Speaker 8: so pros versus cons He does very well against the
Speaker 8: against pressure, physical pressure, so I knew my mind went
Speaker 8: there immediately. We be around each other too much, But
Speaker 8: he does very well against pressure. It's it's the risk
Speaker 8: versus reward decisions that he has to get better at, right,
Speaker 8: And that's all situational. That's watching film, that's watching other
Speaker 8: quarterback situations. What happens down you know, three drives from now,
Speaker 8: what happens two quarters from now? If you make this
Speaker 8: decision versus this right, like thinking ahead of the ahead
Speaker 8: of where you're currently at in terms of you not
Speaker 8: want to get office lineman, it just everything gets better.
Speaker 8: Everything is better. Everything that you want to do offensively
Speaker 8: gets better if you have a dominant offensive line. And
Speaker 8: again point to those teams that are in a player
Speaker 8: right now and in those divisional championship games, right those
Speaker 8: conference championship games, they all have solid old lines, every
Speaker 8: single one of them.
Speaker 10: Random thought off of that too, though i'ther one that
Speaker 10: always stands out. And this isn't just this year, but
Speaker 10: this year for sure, Like most of these teams have
Speaker 10: pretty good tight ends too. Yeah, yeah, like it is.
Speaker 8: It is a that is an and Baltimore just got
Speaker 8: stronger because they got Andrews back.
Speaker 10: And a little bit to the offensive line point, I
Speaker 10: don't think it's as easy as people think to just like,
Speaker 10: oh yeah, just go find the next however, you know,
Speaker 10: like it's it's it's kind of because the offensive line
Speaker 10: thing too, where it's hard to find a college tight
Speaker 10: end that also blocks on the likes well enough to
Speaker 10: make that transition. Whereas I think that that's what Mike
Speaker 10: McCarthy saw in Jake Ferguson. It's like, yeah, he's you know,
Speaker 10: a lot of blocking, same thing when they drafted Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 10: a lot of blocking who saw at Stanford, and then
Speaker 10: they the passing game kind of came with that. But
Speaker 10: it's like it had to start with we got to
Speaker 10: get someone that can block and be able to do
Speaker 10: that as not just be another wide receiver. But that
Speaker 10: position is valuable too, and obviously it's always look like
Speaker 10: you got to.
Speaker 7: Go they're an extension of the offensive line.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, your tight end is an tension of
Speaker 8: the old line A lot of time, especially when you're
Speaker 8: running two tight end sets, your main tight end who
Speaker 8: has his hand in the ground has to be able
Speaker 8: to move defensive ends off the ball or at least
Speaker 8: be able to have combo blocks and have good techniques.
Speaker 8: So that's important. So offensively, yes, O line I believe
Speaker 8: needs to be addressed immediately.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 8: And then defensively, I think I don't think that you
Speaker 8: have to draft a defensive lineman, but I think you
Speaker 8: need to.
Speaker 7: Be aggressive in a in free agency. You have to
Speaker 7: draft a linebacker.
Speaker 10: But I think, I think, I think you draft a linebacker. Now,
Speaker 10: you do that in the first round. Was that a
Speaker 10: linebacker in the first round?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: Second? No, no, No, I'd be happy taking a linebacker
Speaker 4: in the second round. There's a good crop of linebacker.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be I wouldn't be angry.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be angry, but I but I need o
Speaker 8: line in the first said the same thing last year.
Speaker 8: This time around, Yeah, need an old lineman in the first.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be angry as long. I wouldn't be angry
Speaker 8: with a linebacker in the second. As long as you
Speaker 8: get your d lineman in free agency.
Speaker 1: Fred Warner was drafted in the third. Just find the
Speaker 1: next Fred Warner third. So problem solved.
Speaker 8: I'm not you know when it comes to all the
Speaker 8: second round, third round, like, just get the positions that
Speaker 8: you need to get right and make sure that they fit.
Speaker 4: Forget all the I mean except value.
Speaker 8: Let's just get I mean a lot of times right,
Speaker 8: it holds true, but sometimes it doesn't right. Sometimes you
Speaker 8: find some guys if you do your research and they
Speaker 8: work in your system. There's things that will work for
Speaker 8: you that wouldn't work for other guys. So they're not
Speaker 8: valued as much as others in terms.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a big one.
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Speaker 4: Let's go to Kevin in Ohio. Kevin, what's going on?
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Speaker 11: How you guys doing today?
Speaker 7: Great?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 11: I'm doing good? Thanks for asking? Hey, guys, real simple.
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm probably gonna be one of the odd
Speaker 11: ball the Cowboy fans. But I mean I got blessed
Speaker 11: to watch six super Bowls with this team, and I've
Speaker 11: seen a lot of bad seasons. First and foremost, your
Speaker 11: front office has to get on Dak signed to an
Speaker 11: extension from that are draft roal simple, guys, you got
Speaker 11: to get a center. I mean, we need to get
Speaker 11: this offensive line back up to where it used to
Speaker 11: be back in the day, and it starts there upfront.
Speaker 11: These guys that you know want these fancy skilled players.
Speaker 11: We have enough skilled players. But I will tell you
Speaker 11: one thing in free agency, they need to be aggressive
Speaker 11: more than they ever been in the history that I've
Speaker 11: been watching this football team. But there's a guy out
Speaker 11: there that's going to be a free agent. I know
Speaker 11: he's gonna be tough to get, but Mike Evans from
Speaker 11: Tampa Bay, he'd be on my hot list. The one
Speaker 11: guy that I think could help Dak Prescott on the
Speaker 11: depression in the playoffs. We let him walk away. I
Speaker 11: think he's coaching high school football. That's John Kittna. Jerry
Speaker 11: Jones should reach out and try to get him back
Speaker 11: on this football team. That kind of helped this guy
Speaker 11: out when it comes. Dak Prescott is a great quarterback.
Speaker 11: This garbage of him not being good. I just think
Speaker 11: that he's for some reason, the pressure gets to him
Speaker 11: in playoffs and sometimes I believe it's because it's one
Speaker 11: and done. But I think Kittna could come and help
Speaker 11: him get stabilized. They need to bring him some but
Speaker 11: it starts the front line. If we don't have a
Speaker 11: front line, I don't care who's back there running the ball.
Speaker 11: It's not gonna work. There's a lot of good running
Speaker 11: backs coming out. I don't know what they're gonna be
Speaker 11: their decision on our running back right now, but I
Speaker 11: think I would let him go test free agency if
Speaker 11: it was me. I think that we need a tough
Speaker 11: nose running back in there, you know. And there's gonna
Speaker 11: be a lot out there. It seems like, you know,
Speaker 11: there's gonna be some great, some great targets out there.
Speaker 11: But number one, let's get Dak signed, Let's get some
Speaker 11: money in free agency, let's attack our our offensive line
Speaker 11: in the draft, and let's build this team. Like you back.
Speaker 11: I'll listen to what you guys have to say. Have
Speaker 11: a great day.
Speaker 7: That was an amazing call.
Speaker 4: Okay, listen, listen, listen, listen. He said a lot of
Speaker 4: good things.
Speaker 7: Yes he does. It sounds great.
Speaker 4: Here's my thing, and I've said this from the moment
Speaker 4: they lost to Green Bay. I want a plan.
Speaker 6: I don't really I want some some sort of hard nosed,
Speaker 6: structured plan to revamp this roster.
Speaker 4: That was a hard nosed, restructured plan, So I like it.
Speaker 1: But how much would running back?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I just know he probably is a is an
Speaker 7: avid listener.
Speaker 4: Just how much did he pay or did you pay?
Speaker 3: John kitting a show?
Speaker 10: Just dropping knowledge, man, I'd like to know some names
Speaker 10: on running backs though, I'm not just running it back
Speaker 10: next year with frecodout like, I need to know what
Speaker 10: the plan is at running back. It's clearly not way
Speaker 10: to the sixth seventh round. Yeah, you know, it's they
Speaker 10: have to do something at least middle of this draft.
Speaker 10: They have to get a young, a young type of
Speaker 10: guy that you can give carries to for the next
Speaker 10: four years and then you move on, You bring in
Speaker 10: the next guy, and you move on, you bring on
Speaker 10: the next guy.
Speaker 7: I'm less position, man.
Speaker 3: Are we allowed to talk about free agents to be
Speaker 3: or no?
Speaker 7: That that's kind of they're out the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'll ask my boss and get back next to We.
Speaker 7: May yeah, we may have to full employees.
Speaker 4: I mean there's there's a couple of names out there too.
Speaker 6: Free agency wise, that aren't the big names that the
Speaker 6: guy that said so long to Nashville, Like you can't
Speaker 6: necess exactly that one.
Speaker 3: I mean even though anyway.
Speaker 4: I mean there's other names out there.
Speaker 3: We're talking about running backs.
Speaker 4: Here, running backs, Yeah, yeah, Like.
Speaker 3: Would you go draft one?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think if I'm talking like first three rounds,
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 9: Can't get your guy that you want in free agency,
Speaker 9: your your your guy, your your guy, then you go
Speaker 9: you go draft one, and like the third or fifth.
Speaker 1: Round is that guy that you want round running back?
Speaker 8: There's too many other positions that have to be addressed.
Speaker 8: Like I just don't feel running back is I have
Speaker 8: to be addressed because I don't care what running.
Speaker 7: Back you get.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, but you still have to address.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying, but it's not something that you
Speaker 8: use a draft pick on. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 8: don't think that used. There's there's gonna be a gazillion
Speaker 8: free agent running backs.
Speaker 3: Something I'm saying. The free agency doesn't work, That's what
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 8: But there's gonna be there's gonna be a free agent
Speaker 8: running back that you would play and play if you
Speaker 8: if you nah.
Speaker 7: If you have a dominant O line. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: Like there's not that many running backs in this league
Speaker 8: that are just absolute playmakers.
Speaker 7: There's just not there's not there's name, namely.
Speaker 8: Five running backs that you can say, I give him
Speaker 8: the ball no matter what happened, Like he's gonna shake
Speaker 8: the first person.
Speaker 3: J Robinson Isa, apparently apparently.
Speaker 4: You got Tony Pollard late.
Speaker 3: Jamier Gibbs fourth round pick. Yeah, yeah, you got Tony
Speaker 3: Pollard in the fourth.
Speaker 4: You can make some happen.
Speaker 7: But you gotta see what I'm saying. We're we're reaching here.
Speaker 8: I'm saying you don't have to go draft that there's
Speaker 8: gonna be a bunch of those guys in free agent.
Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to disrespect the position.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, in terms of what you need on
Speaker 8: your team, the guys that you just can't go find,
Speaker 8: the position groups that you just can't go address on
Speaker 8: the streets because there's just not enough of them.
Speaker 7: Go get those guys in the draft.
Speaker 8: Go get your old lineman, Go get your linebacker. I agree, right,
Speaker 8: Go get your interior defensive lineman. You know whether rather
Speaker 8: it's in a draft, if it's about we're not talking
Speaker 8: about twenty fourth overall, and we're not talking about the
Speaker 8: third round pick.
Speaker 7: I mean, you don't have how many picks we got
Speaker 7: this year.
Speaker 8: You've got probably six six, okay, and how many in
Speaker 8: the first three.
Speaker 4: Rounds three three? You got one two three?
Speaker 7: Don't you dare useally running back in those first three rounds?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 10: I would think that we'd have to include in that
Speaker 10: list that you're talking about, Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, maybe King,
Speaker 10: Henry Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: There's this dude named Christian McCaffrey. He seems to be
Speaker 1: a game changer.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be yeah, back in back in
Speaker 4: the Bay.
Speaker 1: Everybody seems to like that movie that they did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean to give up.
Speaker 8: So Dallas doesn't have money to be go out and
Speaker 8: get and he's got here he brought he brought up
Speaker 8: Mike Evans, that's not happening.
Speaker 1: That's exactly why I'm saying the draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: That I know, we got get h to that point.
Speaker 4: You you can't.
Speaker 8: There's gonna be running backs that you don't have to
Speaker 8: pay money to that you could bring on this roster
Speaker 8: and have impact. Okay, Right, there's not gonna be you're
Speaker 8: not gonna find office alignment. You're not gonna find cornerbacks now,
Speaker 8: and you're not gonna you're not gonna find office al lineman.
Speaker 8: You're not gonna find cornerback. Those are the two positions
Speaker 8: that you're not going to find.
Speaker 1: On the stift drawn Bland.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, but you're not gonna find these guys on the street.
Speaker 8: The meaning that you can't go if you don't have
Speaker 8: the cash right, the pool is smaller in order for
Speaker 8: you to go out there and get those guys. Much
Speaker 8: like the Office A Lineman wered this year, when free
Speaker 8: agency started, Denver grabbed the top two Office A Lineman battle.
Speaker 8: They were gone after that. It was like, well that
Speaker 8: position group's gone. Okay, what else do we need? There's
Speaker 8: nothing else now. You never felt that way about receiver.
Speaker 8: You've never felt that way about running back. Like there's
Speaker 8: always those guys that are sitting around Kareem Hunt picked
Speaker 8: up late, right.
Speaker 7: All these guys are sitting at the crib just waiting
Speaker 7: for the perfect opportunity.
Speaker 8: There's there's there are very viable options out there at
Speaker 8: certain position groups because there's more available talent. Certain position
Speaker 8: groups don't have it, so old line, you better address it. Right, cornerback,
Speaker 8: you better go address it. Yeah, I'm talking about the
Speaker 8: first three rounds. Yeah, because there's just not many guys
Speaker 8: out there that can do the job.
Speaker 1: And I completely agree.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So that's two picks cornerback and offensive line, and
Speaker 10: we're going to line back third.
Speaker 8: There's not you struggle trying to find a linebacker in offseason.
Speaker 8: I mean during the season this year, they just weren't
Speaker 8: available guys. So I'm saying there's certain groups where you
Speaker 8: have to just go invest in those guys and then
Speaker 8: guess what if I need a receiver, if I need
Speaker 8: a running back, I can find those guys.
Speaker 7: There's plenty of guys sitting at the crib. As long
Speaker 7: as my scheme's right and my old linemen are were good,
Speaker 7: we could run the rock.
Speaker 3: I wonder if the front office was just they took
Speaker 3: a back last year.
Speaker 7: Like yes, middle round, because we had one guy have
Speaker 7: an impact last.
Speaker 3: With the back.
Speaker 9: With the running back class that was on the table
Speaker 9: last year, even in the middle rounds, guys like ty
Speaker 9: J Spears and moving forward past that, I mean there
Speaker 9: was those some guys that could have taken at what
Speaker 9: they did.
Speaker 6: They were looking at him every step of the way.
Speaker 6: But they would have had to reach on a guy.
Speaker 6: I think if they would hind insight twenty twenty, they probably.
Speaker 7: Would have reached on a guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they probably would have made a happen.
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Speaker 8: All right.
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