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We are going to 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: be talking a little bit about Game five of the 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: NBA Finals today. I want to get into some of 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: the content, some of the specific angles from the game 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: that we didn't get to get into Last Night with Colin, 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: so we're gonna be breaking that down. I want to 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: at I want to dive into a little bit looking 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: forward in the series, what I expect to happen in 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: Game six. 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But our next live show is on Thursday night. 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: Just show up to the live show, drop your questions 62 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: in the chat, then we'll get it to the mail 63 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: bag at the tail end of the show, and then 64 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: obviously once we get out of the finals, will shift 65 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: back towards taking them from the YouTube contents. All right, 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball. So last night was the J 67 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 2: Dubbs Show. We talked a little bit about it last 68 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: night with Colin Coward. I focused on the idea of 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: his downhill power and kind of in the context of 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: what we saw TJ McConnell succeed with the general idea 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: being that there's a lot of handsy, physical defense on 72 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: the perimeter in the NBA playoffs and big, strong players 73 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: tend to thrive in those settings. I don't think it's 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: a coincidence. As you look back through NBA history, the 75 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: best player on championship teams has been a power player 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: in basically every single series for the last decade and 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: a half, other than Steph you know, like you Obviously 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: last year for the Celtics, it was more of like 79 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: a bi committee by a kind of thing. But who 80 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: was the best player for the Celtics in the playoffs 81 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: in terms of of you know, winning Eastern Conference Finals 82 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: MVP and Finals MVP. It was Jalen Brown a power player, 83 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: even Tatum in his contributions as a defensive player and 84 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: as a playmaker in that in that playoff run power, 85 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: Luka Doncic was the best player in that postseason power 86 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: Right twenty twenty three, Nikole Jokic Power twenty twenty two. Obviously, 87 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: Steph He's your exception twenty twenty one, Giannis Power twenty twenty, 88 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: Lebron Power twenty nineteen, Kawhi Power. We can go back 89 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: throughout time and you're going to see a pretty consistent 90 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: trend of like Steph Curry being the exception, the one 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: kind of like finesse perimeter oriented player that thrives in 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: these settings. But it's a lot of power that thrives here. 93 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: Last night, Jadob had forty points right, but nineteen of 94 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: those forty points came either in transition runouts or backdoor cuts. 95 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: His cutting was incredibly impressive last night. I counted four 96 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: separate buckets and nine points total because he had an 97 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: and one on one with Nie Smith, or he just 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: backdoor like just beat like red the defender saw that 99 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: he was in denial and just cut really hard back door, 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: using that power physical swim move to get around the 101 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: defender and ended up getting easy stuff at the basket. 102 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: He did some beautiful work out of ball screens too 103 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, showcasing similar downhill force in both 104 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: actions attacking bigs and guards. But he got himself into 105 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 2: a rhythm in this game because that stuff didn't happen 106 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: until late late in the game, Like, he got himself 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: into a rhythm just by using his Basketball IQ to 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: identify runways opportunities for him to get ahead of steam 109 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: without the ball, a transition lane, a back door cut opportunity. 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: Those are areas where in a system like this where 111 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: the ball, you know, I think the ball will shift 112 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: towards being in Jdubb's hands more and more over the 113 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: years as he improves and as Shay kind of like 114 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: starts to feel a little bit more of like an 115 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: open partnership with Jdubb. But even in that context, it's 116 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: going to be useful for him to be a weapon 117 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: off the ball, and in this context it's a super 118 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: valuable weapon. And he did a ton of damage in 119 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: this game again, nineteen of his forty points literally just 120 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: running lanes right then he tied it all together with 121 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: his jump shooting, which is really the piece that separates 122 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: him from the other similar types of playmaking forwards in 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 2: the league. He had three open catch and shoot threes 124 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: that were all very important last night. That little right 125 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: shoulder fade, that classic Dwayne Wade half spin right at 126 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: the top of the key, that was kind of the 127 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: cherry on top of his finals masterpiece. But we just 128 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: don't have very many players in the league that bring 129 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: the combination of downhill power, high level playmaking, and high 130 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: level shooting. Right you look at Paolo. He brings some 131 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: high level shooting at least from the mid range, and 132 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: he brings a lot of power, but he can be 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: a little bit of a tunnel vision guy that can 134 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: struggle to make the kickout Raads Franz Wagner another kind 135 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: of big forward. He brings the high level playmaking and 136 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: he brings the downhill power, but his jump shot is 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: like an absolute adventure and in many case is downright bad. 138 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown a little bit inconsistent as a jump shooter, 139 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 2: but I think he brings that jump shooting piece, and 140 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: he brings the downhill power piece, but he can struggle 141 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: to process the defense and to make the appropriate kickout. 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: Read Zion Williamson obviously more in a super like like 143 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: a juiced up version of that downhill power, but Zion 144 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Williamson again doesn't bring that kind of counterbalance of the 145 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: shooting right. Like then we have some of the slender forwards, 146 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: guys like Brandon Ingram and Paul George. They bring the playmaking, 147 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: they bring the shooting ability, but they don't bring the power, 148 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: that real downhill power. It's a pretty unique combination to 149 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: have a player that does all three of those things. 150 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: I think that's what makes me think of him as 151 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: kind of a Jimmy Butler esque type of player. Jimmy Butler, 152 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 2: especially in this last half decade, has become that guy, 153 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: the downhill power guy, the versatile defensive weapon, the playmaker, 154 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: the guy that can knock down shots over the top, 155 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: and again, like he's doing all of this right now, 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: Ja Dub in a supporting context. As he continues to 157 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: round out the details in his game, he'll get more 158 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: opportunities to showcase this stuff, like that tough right shoulder 159 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: fade or some of the tough like step back jump 160 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: shots that he's been hitting at various points in this postseason. 161 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: This is a fantastic Finals performance for JDub to add 162 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: to his resume, and again he's still just barely getting 163 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: into that groove that he's capable of getting to in 164 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: this thunder Championship era. Shay's four game this has been 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: one of the more interesting subplots of the series. In 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: my opinion, I think SGA's two highest scoring games in 167 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: this series were his two worst games. Outside of Game three. 168 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: Game one, he goes for thirty eight. I didn't think 169 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: he was particularly good compared to some of his other 170 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 2: games in this postseason. Game four he has thirty five. 171 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: Those are his two highest scoring games in this series, 172 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: and I didn't think he was particularly good compared to 173 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: some of his other games. Like it reminds me of 174 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: some of the other rate stars that have come through 175 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: the NBA. And I mean this as a compliment. I 176 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: am comparing Shay to some all time greats here, But 177 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: like when Jokics would have a bad game, when Lebron 178 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: would have a bad game, and against all relative when 179 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: I say bad games for these guys, a bad game 180 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: for prime Lebron, a bad game for prime Jokich. When 181 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: I talk about a bad game for Prime SGA. It 182 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: is not the same as a bad game for Tyrese 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: Haliburton from last night or some of these other guys 184 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: that we talked about. It's all relative for the record, 185 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: but this is the conversation that Shay has put himself in. 186 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: He has put himself in as an MVP, a leader 187 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: of a sixty eight win team, as soon to be 188 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: finals MVP. He is now entering into conversations he's being 189 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: evaluated at a different standard. And like jokicch and Lebron 190 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: would have these games where they'd go for like twenty 191 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: four thirteen and eleven, and you could look at the 192 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: box score and you could be like, man, it's twenty 193 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: four thirteen and eleven and sixty three percent true shooting, 194 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: Like that's an incredible game. But if you watch those 195 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: games sometimes you'd feel like, man, like they're just not 196 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: asserting themselves as much as they need to. They're not 197 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: bringing that like high level scoring imposition that they're capable 198 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: of bringing. Lebron had to ultimately in big spots win 199 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: by scoring the basketball game six against Boston down three 200 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: to two, comes in had to score forty five that 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: game seven against the Spurs, the need to hit jump 202 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: shots that San Antonio was a conceding team. Obviously, making 203 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: the right play has always been a huge part of 204 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: Jokic in Lebron's games, but they have to bring the 205 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: balance and when they're at their best, when they're at 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: the high end of their spectrum, it's always the combination 207 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: of overwhelming scoring force and that high level playmaking that 208 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: they bring. Now, Shay is a very different archetype of player. Right, 209 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: He's closer to the MJ and Kobe group. But like 210 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: MJ and Kobe would have some of these games where 211 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: they'd have now different right, for Lebron and Jokic, it 212 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: would be these like triple double efficient games where they 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: didn't bring the requisite scoring pop. For guys like MJ 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 2: Kobe in this case, say it's the games where they 215 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: have thirty something, thirty five, thirty eight, thirty seven points, 216 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: but they do a poor job managing the flow of 217 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: the game, and so they'll have these high scoring totals, 218 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: but it manifests as poor team offense. Right, Similarly with 219 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: Lebron and Jokic high assist totals, but it manifests as 220 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: poor team offense. There is a balance that scores need 221 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: to have where they bring the requisite playmaking and floor 222 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: game and managing the flow of the game that is 223 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: required for them to be effective as scores. Just like 224 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: for the Jokic Lebron archetype, there's got to be a 225 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: certain amount of scoring, imposition and aggression that balances out 226 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: their elite floor game in flow game, which is what 227 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: they do really really well. SGA's credit, he very clearly 228 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: identified his poor process in each of those two games, 229 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: because in each case he responded immediately out the gates 230 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: with brilliant performances, much better floor game, much better managing 231 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: of the flow of the offense. I think his Game 232 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: two in Game five performances were his best two games 233 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: of the series by far. Once again, in both games 234 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: just a super deliberate effort to take the available kickout 235 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: reads early in possessions. He had eighteen assists in those 236 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: two games. In the other three games of the finals combine, 237 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: he had seven assists. Huge difference in process. The Thunder 238 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: generated more threes in the first half last night than 239 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: they generated the entirety of Game four. They generated eighteen 240 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: unguarded catch and shoot jump shots. According to Synergy, they 241 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: generated just six in Game four, that's tripling the output 242 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: of open catch and shoot jump shots. Overall, as a team, 243 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: the Thunder scored forty two points on catch and shoot 244 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: jump shots after scoring just nine points on catch and 245 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: shoot jump shots in Game four, and most importantly, according 246 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: to Cleaning the Glass, in Game two and in Game five, 247 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: those were the only two games in this series where 248 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: the Thunder managed and offensive rating over one fifteen. They 249 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: had a one twenty seven offensive rating in Game two 250 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: a one twenty offensive rating in Game five. Every single 251 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: other game of the series they've been below a one 252 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: fifteen offensive rating. The team's offense, the Thunder offense flows 253 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: based on how Shay approaches the game, and the idea 254 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: that it needs to affect his scoring is foolish. He 255 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: managed sixty five points in those two games, thirty four 256 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: in Game two and thirty one last night. He ends 257 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: up inevitably finding opportunities to score as the defense loosens 258 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 2: up from him setting the tone by taking those easy reads. 259 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: And the scary part is, I really do think that 260 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: Shay has learned some valuable lessons on this front in 261 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: this postseason run. I talk about this all the time. 262 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: Young basketball players tend to struggle to identify what's not 263 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: working and cut it out and identify what's working and 264 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: repeat it. A lot of times. They'll bounce back and 265 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: forth between the two because they struggled to tie process 266 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: to results. Over time. With this experience, Shay is gonna learn. 267 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: He's gonna look back and go like, I remember what 268 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: happened in game one when I came out hunting my 269 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: own shot, and then suddenly none of my teammates were 270 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: in rhythm, and at the end of the game when 271 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: I did start making those kickouts, guys couldn't knock down shots. 272 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: I remember Game four when I generally just did a 273 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: horrible job of managing the flow of the game, and 274 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: it took me having to make some crazy shots at 275 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: the end to bail my team out of a game 276 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: we probably should have won by fifteen to twenty points. 277 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: He'll remember Game two in him coming out immediately hunting 278 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: his teammates, the same thing in game five, and how 279 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: it resulted in this free flowing offense where more people 280 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: are involved and his co stars playing better, and more 281 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: guys are getting catching shoot looks and guys are knocking 282 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: down shots, and the team lights up the scoreboard. He'll 283 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: remember those things, he'll replicate those things, and it'll just 284 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: make this Thunder team that much harder to beat in 285 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: the coming years. Shay also was amazing on defense in 286 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: this game. He had four blocks, had this insane help 287 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: side rotation on Obi Toppin in the late second half 288 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: where he blocked him at the rim. Had a couple 289 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: of nice blocks in transition, including one on a like 290 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: a little euro step from Tony Bradley. Just really, really 291 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: impressive game from Shae Gilvis Alexander two of the better 292 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: games I've seen him play in his career in game two. 293 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: In Game five of this playoff run, he got lost 294 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: in the flow because of Ja Dubbs massive game. Jada 295 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: was incredibly deserves to be recognized as the hero, but 296 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: I thought Shay really set the tone with his overall 297 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: approach to start last night's game. 298 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high octane world 299 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: of sports. 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We've seen so much of the switch 309 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: defense of him switching onto ball screens and the damage 310 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: that he's done, and he's been awesome by the way 311 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: in that regard. I was pulling up the big picture 312 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: numbers on Synergy today. Chet has defended twenty nine ISOs 313 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: in this playoff run. Including passes. In those twenty nine ISOs, 314 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 2: he's allowed just eighteen points zero point six to two 315 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 2: points per possession. There are forty six players in this 316 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: playoff field that have defended at least fifteen ISOs, and 317 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: Chet's efficiencies defensive efficiency in those ISOs ranks fifth out 318 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: of those forty six players. Been one of the best 319 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: ISO defenders in the league in this playoff run. Just 320 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: for those who are curious, Anthony Edwards ranked number one 321 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: on that list. Cason Wallace, ranked at number two on 322 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: that list, had another big time steal on Siakam in 323 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: the post last night, Austin Reeves always has been an 324 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: underrated defender, was number three on that list, and then 325 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook was number four. But yeah, chet right there 326 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: at number five out of forty six players to defend 327 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: at least fifteen ISOs in this playoff run. But last night, 328 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: obviously there was still some good defense and switches, but 329 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: we got to see a lot more of the rim 330 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: protection side of his game. Last night. Erased two offensive 331 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: rebound put backs and help side rotations. His length is 332 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: part of the layering of Oklahoma City's defense. We talked 333 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 2: about this a lot in the series preview. Having to 334 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: pass the tests that Oklahoma City presents. The first step 335 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: is ball pressure, get the ball up the floor. The 336 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: second step is denial. So in order to get the 337 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: ball into your offense, you got to get the ball 338 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 2: to your screeners because they run so many dribble handoffs 339 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: and dribble pitches right and Oklahoma City's constantly denying off ball. 340 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: Every time someone picks up their dribble. They're just immediately 341 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: denying those off ball sequences. Once you get the ball 342 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: into the paint in any way, shape or form, you're 343 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: immediately getting swarmed. You've got to be able to process 344 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: those kickouts out of those swarming help side rotations from 345 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: Oka see. And then the fourth layer is shooting, like 346 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: finishing the play either against an intense closeout on the 347 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: three point line or against the contest at the rim 348 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: with chet holmgrin. And every time Indiana was able to 349 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: work through those first three layers, chet Holmgren is just 350 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: waiting behind it to clean up the mess. But what 351 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: I want to amp size here as I thought, Oklahoma 352 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: City really blew this game open in the fourth quarter 353 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: with the first two layers of their defense, the ball 354 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: pressure and the denials. They forced eight turnovers in the 355 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, several just guarding the ball handler up the 356 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: floor and rushing him into either traveling or coughing up 357 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: the basketball. Several in denials. They turned over Andrew Nemhard 358 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 2: three different times where they forced him to pick up 359 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: his dribble and then denied the kickout passes and he 360 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: threw the ball away. We talked earlier about Indiana needing 361 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: to pass the test of Oklahoma City's ball pressure, and 362 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: after four games and three quarters in that fourth quarter, 363 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: they were just as far away from solving that test 364 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: as ever, it was just a masterclass from the Oklahoma 365 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: City defense. If Indiana can't survive the basic element of 366 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: getting the ball into their offense, they're dead on arrival. 367 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: Looking forward in the series, I obviously don't want to 368 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: count Indiana out. They are absolutely capable going home and 369 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: pushing this series to seven games. But I think Oklahoma 370 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: City has found the perfect formula in this matchup. They 371 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: have multiple actions that they can work with a two 372 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: man game with Ja dub and Shaye to attack guards 373 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: and switches, high ball screens attacking bigs. This works for 374 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: both Shaye, but especially for Jay Dubbs had most of 375 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: his success attacking bigs downhill and switches using those ball 376 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: screens against ball pressure like the extended ball screens out 377 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: to thirty five to forty feet. When they get early 378 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 2: dribble penetration off of that, they get great stuff every 379 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: single time. Shae just his process as long as he 380 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: passes through the help defense for those quality closeout opportunities 381 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: and then laid in the clock. That's when they can 382 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: lean on the shot making from Shaye and Jay dub 383 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 2: which is just so much more reliable than the shot 384 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: making from tyres In Pascal Siakam. And then on defense, 385 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: like we talked about before the series, Indy gonna We 386 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 2: talked about before the series, like, is Oklahoma City gonna 387 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: have to change their defense because Indiana gets the ball 388 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: through their ball pressure gets the ball to the high post, 389 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: gets into their ball screen, whirling blender attack gets the 390 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: ball into the middle of the floor, makes the appropriate kickouts, 391 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: knocks down all these threes. Would Oklahoma City have to adjust, 392 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: start switching everything and stay home. No, Their base scheme 393 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: has consistently, up to the fourth quarter of the fifth 394 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: game in the series, has managed to shake the foundation 395 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: of Indiana's offense. They haven't had to change anything. The 396 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 2: Indiana ultimately hasn't been able to solve that test. I 397 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: believe Oklahoma City will go in there on Thursday and 398 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: beat the Pacers for the trophy. But even if they don't, 399 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: I think Oklahoma City wins big in Game seven. The 400 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: fear like if you're a Pacer fan and you're looking 401 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: for some sort of hope. The hope is you go 402 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: home and you win a game which you know you're 403 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: capable of. Then just like tonight, you have one of 404 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: those late second half runs. Siakam hits a three off 405 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: of an offensive rebound, it's ninety five nine. Maybe it 406 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: just goes the other way and you pull out a 407 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: game seven. But every time it's been in that situation, 408 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 2: every time it's been like, here's this five minutes that's 409 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: gonna determine who wins this game. Okahoma City tightens the 410 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: screws and Indiana falls apart. In Game four, Okahoma City 411 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 2: tightened the screws. Indiana couldn't score last night, ninety five, 412 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: ninety three, that's cute. You got it back to two. 413 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: Then you turn the ball over on four consecutive possessions 414 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: against the first two layers of Oklahoma City's defense. Because 415 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: their defense, every time it's needed to be, becomes indomitable. 416 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: And that's why they're gonna be the champions. Now. As 417 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: I zoom out from the series, there are several areas, 418 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: some specific areas, where I just didn't think the Pacers 419 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: were good enough if there was any chance for them 420 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: to win this series. Tyre's Halliburton I talked about before 421 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: the series. One of the major storylines is like what 422 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: if Oklahoma City just like kind of embarrasses him. Now, 423 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: Tyres has had some nice games in the series. I 424 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: thought he was great in Game three. Obviously, hits a 425 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: game winner at the end of Game one. He's had 426 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: his moments, I would argue Tyrese has not been embarrassed 427 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 2: in this series. But outside of those moments, it's been 428 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 2: pretty rough. I saw a tweet from buddy mind Jamal 429 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: Christopher shout out, Jamal does good work covering the Clippers, 430 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: big Clippers fan, And I'm reading this tweet because I 431 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: think it is an important kind of like bit of 432 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: context to what happened last night. To me, in my opinion, 433 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: it's pretty disingenuous to act like Halliburton isn't capable of 434 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: some dangerous lows even when he's at one hundred percent. 435 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 2: And that was my big takeaway from last night. I 436 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: agree with Jamal completely. Yeah, Tyres Halliburton was a little 437 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: banged up. You can see that really awkward step that 438 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: he took where his foot kind of slipped out from 439 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: underneath him. We know he's been dealing with some some 440 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: sort of ankle, achilles something in his right foot. Clearly 441 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: he tweaked it a little bit more last night on 442 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: that move. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like 443 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: Tyrese wasn't a little banged up. But again, I agree 444 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: with Jamal. I think Tyrese is just as capable of 445 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: that type of game even when he's at his best. 446 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: And we've talked about it before. It's the reason why 447 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: he's not a top tier superstar. In order to get 448 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: up into that you know, five to six range, he's 449 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: got to become substantially more reliable as a scorer. To me, 450 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: this kind of just is the reality of what can 451 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: happen with Tyrese. If he runs into a really good defense, 452 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: with a really good defensive guard that can beat him 453 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: over the top of screens and a big that can 454 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: guard him in switches, it's gonna render him borderline ineffective 455 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 2: as a score. And we saw an exaggerated version of 456 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: it last night because of the issues that were going 457 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: on with this calf muscle. But I agree. I think 458 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: just writing off Tyrese's game last night is like, oh, 459 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: he was hurt, that's the only reason that happened. I 460 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: agree with Jamal. I think that's disingenuous. I think they're 461 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: there's so many examples over the years, over the last 462 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: couple of years, to where Tyrese can have some to 463 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: quote Jamal dangerous lows in these sorts of situations, lows 464 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: that can be difficult to overcome. And thankfully the Pacers 465 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: got a ton out of Pascal Siakam last night. Ear 466 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: could have gotten particularly ugly, but Tyrese ultimately wasn't good 467 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: enough in this series in order to give his team 468 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: a better chance to win. Miles Turner's offense. I talked 469 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: about it before the series, as he was the biggest 470 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: swing factor for Indiana. He was going to need to 471 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: be able to hit the open threes. He was just 472 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: four for nineteen through the first five games of this 473 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: series on catch and shoot jump shots. Just not good enough. 474 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: He wasn't good in his ball screen coverages. We're about 475 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: to talk about it in a minute, but I want 476 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: to cut him some slack on that because I blame 477 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: Carlyle more than I blame him. But on the offensive end, 478 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: that was where he needed to be better. If he goes, 479 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, eight for nineteen on those catch and shoot 480 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: jump shots, it might have been the difference in this series. 481 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: Potentially that was a missed opportunity. The ball screen coverages. 482 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: I've been mentioning about this the entire series. The specific 483 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: thing I've been complaining about is on especially extended ball screens. 484 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: It's one thing in the half court in a situation 485 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: where Shae doesn't have ahead of steam, or he's standing, 486 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: you know, twenty four feet from the basket on the 487 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: left wing, and here comes the ball screen and he 488 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: comes off the ball screen and Turner's at the level. 489 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: That's one thing where Turner has a fighting chance to 490 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: keep Shaye in front because Shae doesn't have ahead of steam. 491 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: I would have been more okay with that coverage. But 492 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: in these extended ball pressure screens where Hart and Stein 493 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: and shd or screening for Shay sometimes beyond half court 494 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: sixty feet from the rim, sometimes in front of half 495 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 2: court forty thirty five feet from the rim. For Turner 496 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: to be up that high, for Tony Bradley to be 497 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: up that high on a ball screen is foolish. And 498 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: they were giving up dribble penetration where where Shaye or 499 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: Jadub was getting past Turner or getting past Bradley so 500 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: far out from the basket that they're just parading down 501 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: the lane for layups, fouls, easy kickouts, while Turner and 502 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: Bradley are jogging in from behind the play and it's 503 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 2: stupid because Miles Turner's best attribute on defense is his 504 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: length that has value at the rim. It is a 505 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: non factor out that far from the basket. You know 506 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: what is a factor that far from the basket his 507 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: slow foot speed, which was consistently exploited. If he's out 508 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: underneath the basket, it's a much more achievable defensive job 509 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: for Miles Turner to do. And Guys, I don't think 510 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: we've seen this again. We saw this with Minnesota, to 511 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: a more exaggerated version of it. This extended pressure against 512 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City hasn't worked. Guys, Guess who has been the 513 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: most efficient defense against Oklahoma City in these playoffs. Guess 514 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 2: which team has done the best job guarding the Thunder. 515 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: The Denver Nuggets. They've lo likeed a one to thirteen 516 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: point eight defensive rating against the Thunder in seven games. 517 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: And what did they do. They sagged back, they gapped, 518 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: They ran a ton of zone. They forced Oklahoma City 519 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: to beat them by processing and by hitting jump shots, 520 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 2: not by allowing them to get easy, easy dribble penetration 521 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: over and over again with a foolishly over extended defense. 522 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 2: And again, I wasn't even necessarily against the ball pressure. 523 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 2: I understood some of the fatigue advantages there. I just 524 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: did not understand Rick Carlyle's approach bringing his bigs out 525 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: that far for the entire series. I thought that was 526 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 2: a mistake. The pathways there for the Pacers, It's not 527 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: over by any stretch of the imagination. It's just so narrow. 528 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: And then even if they end up in a situation 529 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: where like they win Game six and they have a 530 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: tie game with four minutes left in Game seven, I 531 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: just don't think they've established anything that is reliable to 532 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: score against Oklahoma City's defense. And it just seems like 533 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: such a narrow pathway for me at this point. All right, guys, 534 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: That's all I have for today is always a sincerely 535 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show. 536 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: We will be back live on YouTube on Thursday night 537 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: for Game six of the NBA Finals. I will see 538 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: you guys there. What's up guys? As always, I appreciate 539 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: you for listening to and supporting OOPS tonight. 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