Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: My buddy, former NFL scout John Middlecoff, his podcast is
Speaker 2: three and out. So it was interesting. I got a
Speaker 2: I got a text today from a NFL executive. Apparently
Speaker 2: the Rams were willing to move off Stafford, but they
Speaker 2: wanted a first round pick. They wanted and and by
Speaker 2: the way, you know the Raiders. We're going to give
Speaker 2: him one hundred million guaranteed, which I still think that'll
Speaker 2: be the upgrade the Rams make. But it just to
Speaker 2: throw it out there. The Rams were willing to make
Speaker 2: a move if they could have two first round picks.
Speaker 2: What do you make of that? I trust my intel.
Speaker 2: It's somebody pretty tied to the situation. What do you
Speaker 2: make of that?
Speaker 3: So you're saying that they would not have traded the
Speaker 3: Raiders for let's say a couple seconds.
Speaker 2: Nope, they wanted a first It was but it's interesting.
Speaker 2: They're so close to the super Bowl. It is interesting
Speaker 2: that they would have considered that. Now you know, this
Speaker 2: is somebody that is close to it, So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to get close to the super Bowl, right, Like,
Speaker 2: thank god, the Niners have twelve picks this year, so
Speaker 2: that should fortify them and make give them another run
Speaker 2: because they've got you know, secondary and oline issues. But
Speaker 2: it's it's even great teams. I mean, dynasty's close hard,
Speaker 2: like like you're watching Kansas City this year and you're
Speaker 2: like they're struggling to score points for the second year
Speaker 2: in a role. I just it is interesting they would
Speaker 2: have considered moving him for a first well.
Speaker 3: I think Sean McVeigh was very candid last week when
Speaker 3: he was with his guy Whitworth's podcast, and he was
Speaker 3: open to say, listen, we can't quantify this guy's value
Speaker 3: to us on the field, but we can off the
Speaker 3: field when it comes to our salary cap. And we
Speaker 3: have limitations with the guy who's thirty seven years old.
Speaker 3: And I think you used to have a line was
Speaker 3: that you can't there's not a happy, happier or something.
Speaker 2: Yeahier than happy.
Speaker 3: And I thought this with Matt Stafford. Now, if they
Speaker 3: would have acquiesced and a team would have traded picks
Speaker 3: that would have made the Rams happy, would he have
Speaker 3: given the thumbs up instead of taking the one year
Speaker 3: forty We'll see what the you know in a week
Speaker 3: what the number actually turns out to be. I think
Speaker 3: that it's not public kind of shows you that you know,
Speaker 3: the Rams didn't just give him a hundred ten million dollars,
Speaker 3: right they And I think Sean McVay said today on
Speaker 3: McAfee that's year to year thing, right, So I would
Speaker 3: imagine they gave him a little bump up and raise,
Speaker 3: but relative to the rest of the league, he's not
Speaker 3: making what he's making. My take was this, I'm not
Speaker 3: into telling someone to quote unquote take a pay cut
Speaker 3: or what money means to them. But he's accumulated before
Speaker 3: this season even starts, three hundred and sixty million dollars, right,
Speaker 3: So I would imagine if his accountant's done pretty well.
Speaker 3: I know he's got a big family, probably nine figures
Speaker 3: in the bank and working for him, and investments like
Speaker 3: Mats Stafford's doing really really well. Not only will he
Speaker 3: never think about it as family, never will So it
Speaker 3: doesn't get any better than Sean McVeigh, does it. Why
Speaker 3: would he want to leave?
Speaker 2: Well, it's just I saw a story today where Fred
Speaker 2: Couple said that brooks Kopka could, if he could, would
Speaker 2: go back to the PGA Tour from the Live Golf
Speaker 2: And again, I think I do think generational wealth does
Speaker 2: make you happy for maybe twelve months. You know, it's you.
Speaker 2: You get this kind of money, you set up trusts
Speaker 2: with your kids, or you know, you buy that third
Speaker 2: home if you're Brooks Kopka in that fourth car, and
Speaker 2: it does give you a sense of independence. But ultimately,
Speaker 2: people john not to be Tony Robbins here. People like
Speaker 2: to be part of something. You know, it's not just
Speaker 2: the money. Like the PGA Tour is part of something,
Speaker 2: and it's an established something and there's credibility with it.
Speaker 2: That's not a shot at the Live Tour, which I've defended.
Speaker 2: But the Rams are something in Los Angeles, well owned,
Speaker 2: well run, well coached right now. The Raiders are a
Speaker 2: dream of what could be. The Rams are something. So
Speaker 2: I think I've always said this, don't chase money, chase
Speaker 2: good management and you'll eventually make good money. Maybe not
Speaker 2: great money, but good money.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think if you use the Live guys
Speaker 3: as an example, you know, Phil got a couple hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars, but he was already worth hundreds of millions
Speaker 3: of dollars. His was more of an f you to
Speaker 3: the establishment, right, d Chambeau, Brooks and DJ. These guys
Speaker 3: are not NBA, NFL players. So they get offered on
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty million dollars, it is hard that
Speaker 3: changes their life. Matt Stafford making an extra fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3: I mean you're talking after taxes or whatever. He's taken
Speaker 3: home twenty eight thirty million dollars is not going to
Speaker 3: change him or his family's life at all. But it
Speaker 3: will impact his football life, which, like you said, the
Speaker 3: Raiders or the Giants, which were the teams that look
Speaker 3: like all in, are not going to win next year.
Speaker 3: It's just not gonna happen, right. I don't even think
Speaker 3: it's possible with the Raiders, right, you just to compete
Speaker 3: in that division, even if you have a huge upgrade
Speaker 3: at coach. I think Spy Tech is a young up
Speaker 3: and comer. But to think twenty twelve and Matt Stafford
Speaker 3: is living in the moment. So to me, the risk
Speaker 3: of getting the extra money, if it would have gone through,
Speaker 3: would have sent him backwards. I think in his football
Speaker 3: career what we saw forever in Detroit, he finally I
Speaker 3: felt like when he got to Sean McVay got to
Speaker 3: validate the career. This guy with all this talent. Honestly,
Speaker 3: these last couple of years, even more than the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl year. It was like Matt Stafford. I mean, doesn't
Speaker 3: get much better than that. And I think it would
Speaker 3: have kind of been sad because it would have impacted
Speaker 3: the Rams. I'm sorry, Jimmy Garoppolo or forty one year
Speaker 3: old Aaron Rodgers. It would have been a drop off
Speaker 3: from Matt Stafford. So I'm just glad that he stayed
Speaker 3: and it worked out from a football standpoint, because this
Speaker 3: they have a good offseason, a couple moves here and there.
Speaker 3: I mean, who's to say that they are, you know,
Speaker 3: a top two or three favored in the NFC to
Speaker 3: be a you know, win the Super Bowl or represent
Speaker 3: the NFC in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I think that game against
Speaker 2: Philadelphia says it all. They're driving in a snowstorm and
Speaker 2: they get down to the fifteen yard line and they
Speaker 2: have a rookie center six round pick and they had
Speaker 2: finally gotten their offensive line right. And by the way,
Speaker 2: Philadelphia was a better team, better overall personnel. They almost
Speaker 2: snuck out of that puppy with the W and so
Speaker 2: and I've said this McVeigh doesn't really rebuild Shanahan feels
Speaker 2: like he follows up great seasons with clunkers. If like
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey's not healthy, McVay wins every year. It's just
Speaker 2: they don't really they reboot, they don't necessarily rebuild the
Speaker 2: I was saying that, I think.
Speaker 3: You know, you know one major difference. I think the
Speaker 3: two right now is McVeigh has I thought Kyle, because
Speaker 3: of his personality, would be a little more cutthroat. He's
Speaker 3: been emotional when it came to Debo re signing him
Speaker 3: and keeping him last year. With Ayuk McVeigh, it's like
Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey cut you off, see you Cooper Cup this year,
Speaker 3: we're moving on right this offseason Stafford one year deal.
Speaker 3: That's it. Where it's like the Niners found themselves in
Speaker 3: this weird predicament of they've got emotional with some of
Speaker 3: these players, and McVeigh kind of went to his grandpa's
Speaker 3: roots of Walsh. It's like, yeah, we're done here. And
Speaker 3: he's had to tactfully change, you know. With Goff he
Speaker 3: was a little too outspoken and even he said that like,
Speaker 3: I handled that wrong publicly. But this is a business.
Speaker 3: We have to make tough decisions, and I think the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers found themselves in a rut because they
Speaker 3: tied themselves to every single player instead of you know,
Speaker 3: in football, the guy can be a good player, but
Speaker 3: you got a pivot. You can't sign them all.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Philadelphia is in that spot right now.
Speaker 2: Darius Slay is an easy cut. That's an easy one.
Speaker 2: You and I any fan could make that because they
Speaker 2: nailed their two you know, their two early picks at corners, right.
Speaker 2: The tougher pick is going to be do you keep
Speaker 2: the linebacker? Do you keep Aj Brown? And I've said
Speaker 2: this before, I would move off Aj Brown. It's in
Speaker 2: the NBA. When a big guy gets hurt early, he
Speaker 2: gets hurt. Often. When a receiver is verbal and outspoken early,
Speaker 2: they're outspoken often. Des Bryant didn't get quieter, right, so
Speaker 2: Debo didn't get quieter. I would move off AJ Brown
Speaker 2: because you're so good at running back, O line, quarterback,
Speaker 2: tight end and Devonte Smith. I think that's an easy one.
Speaker 2: But but you don't want to think like a fan.
Speaker 2: But I think people will look at AJ Brown and go,
Speaker 2: he's so good. It's wide receiver you can find. Really,
Speaker 2: Puku Naku is a fifth rounder. I mean, there's one
Speaker 2: or two positions in the NFL cornerback, wide receiver, running back.
Speaker 2: It's amazing how much talent there is in the fourth round. Like,
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of examples. So like I look at
Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Howie Roseman, who, by the way, you know
Speaker 2: the organization. He said after the Super Bowl, this is
Speaker 2: gonna look different. Not everybody's gonna love it. So to me,
Speaker 2: that was that was a little bit of a caution.
Speaker 2: Guys were moving off some popular talented guys. You don't
Speaker 2: say that if you just have to cut Dare Slay.
Speaker 2: That's an easy one that nobody's losing sleep on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, the AJ Brown one would only be
Speaker 3: if they feel that relationship that Brandon Graham kind of
Speaker 3: let the cat out of the bag and then they
Speaker 3: tried to walk it back. It's like, come on, but
Speaker 3: you know, winning cures all in their relationship. I mean,
Speaker 3: he had a touchdown in the playoffs. He is when
Speaker 3: when healthy, one of the best what four or five
Speaker 3: six wide receivers in the league. I think the only
Speaker 3: way they would do something like that would be to
Speaker 3: clear up some movement. If they could get Miles Garrett
Speaker 3: and by all accounts, they are going to be one
Speaker 3: of the lead dogs in those moves. So I think
Speaker 3: the thing was Zach Vaughn. This is what makes Howie
Speaker 3: and I would just say, consistent football teams maintain it
Speaker 3: or not. It's like, yeah, he's a good guy, he
Speaker 3: had an incredible season, but are we going to break
Speaker 3: the bank for a linebacker? And his history would say
Speaker 3: the Eagles and good teams do not.
Speaker 2: That's right, right.
Speaker 3: Let someone else give you four years, eighty million dollars
Speaker 3: and forty five million dollars guaranteed. And this is why
Speaker 3: you keep drafting and why you keep investing in it.
Speaker 3: And listen, part of being a good NFL team takes
Speaker 3: some luck. Sometimes you got a guy one year, four
Speaker 3: million dollars, first team All Pro. That's why you pay
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio five six million dollars. You know that's last year.
Speaker 3: He looked at this guy, special teamer, kind of outside linebacker.
Speaker 3: Let's make him a middle linebacker under my tutelage, Patrick
Speaker 3: Willis Navarro Bowman, let's roll. So if I was Howie,
Speaker 3: I'd go, well, my return on investment is not the player,
Speaker 3: it's the coach. Why couldn't I do this again. Why
Speaker 3: can't we find a guy in the draft, maybe on
Speaker 3: the second day, second or third round. Let fang, you
Speaker 3: mold him like a piece of clay. He did it
Speaker 3: with Navarro Bowman. Why couldn't he That's the best case scenario.
Speaker 3: But no one in a million years in the NFL
Speaker 3: would have said, Zach Bond first Team All Pro middle linebacker.
Speaker 3: No chance. And that's that, you know football more than
Speaker 3: all these other sports. The power of these coordinators, if
Speaker 3: you get it right, I mean, look at Spagnola, look
Speaker 3: at some of the offensive coordinators over the years, can.
Speaker 2: Chase your franchise.
Speaker 3: It's right because it's you're not paying them player money,
Speaker 3: You're paying them four five, six million dollars.
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me how fans really really struggle and
Speaker 2: and like to me, aj Brown and Bonner the linebacker
Speaker 2: are pretty easy moves because I'm not going to disrupt
Speaker 2: that O line probably for the next three years. I'm
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm that O line. Maybe in two to
Speaker 2: three years Lane Johnson retires, but the core of that
Speaker 2: organization to me is now Saquon Jalen Hurts and that
Speaker 2: O line. Everything else. To me, I'll move, but you're
Speaker 2: finding this with Detroit. It's really I mean, think how
Speaker 2: great people thought Dak was. I mean people really thought
Speaker 2: Dak was a top five quarterback when the Cowboys o
Speaker 2: line five years ago, those guys were all closer to
Speaker 2: their prime. Now we look up and go, Jesus, Dak's
Speaker 2: the most overpaid guy in the NFL by a long shot.
Speaker 2: So you know, I just think when I when I
Speaker 2: look at like when Tyreek Hill, Andy Reid moved off him,
Speaker 2: I never forget the day it happened. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course you move off him, like you got look
Speaker 2: at the Pickstate guy at the time. I'm like, first round,
Speaker 2: second round, second round. I'm like Brett Fiach is going
Speaker 2: to hit on at least half of these. Of course
Speaker 2: you make the move. He's a deep threat. Those guys
Speaker 2: don't mean much in December and January when it's freezing
Speaker 2: and windy. So I mean, the AJ Brown one is easy.
Speaker 2: I'll go back to it. When a receiver Deebo is
Speaker 2: a prime example, when they start getting outspoken early, that
Speaker 2: doesn't go backwards and you're and by the way, you
Speaker 2: won with him. You got to a couple of Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: Like I also think there at some point in a
Speaker 2: salary cap sport players become commodities and there's just you
Speaker 2: have to move them. They're chess pieces, and you say, well,
Speaker 2: where's the humanity? Come on, we all know the game here.
Speaker 2: This is the way it is with pro sports. By
Speaker 2: the way, in college now, kids leave their program all
Speaker 2: the time. They make promises, they commit, they leave. We
Speaker 2: all know this is how the game works.
Speaker 3: One thing with AJ two, if that would be something
Speaker 3: they wanted to do, he still has a lot of value.
Speaker 3: He's still one of the best players in the league.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not just kicking him away like Debo
Speaker 3: for a fifth round pick. It might bring you back
Speaker 3: like a second and a third. Yeah right, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you could get I mean they traded a
Speaker 3: first form, could they get a late first. I mean
Speaker 3: some of those teams don't have the most cap room,
Speaker 3: but you definitely probably get a second and a third. Yep,
Speaker 3: you know, depends. I think there's always other moves. He's
Speaker 3: not just getting rid of a player to get rid
Speaker 3: of a player. You know that Milton Williams, the defensive
Speaker 3: tackle that really came on. They would love to keep.
Speaker 3: But guys like that are he's gonna get twenty million
Speaker 3: dollars a year, That's right, So I think they're always
Speaker 3: thinking the one thing the Eagles have been like since
Speaker 3: before I got there and ever since long after I left,
Speaker 3: they will go big game hunting. I'm telling you, if
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett this is the Browns can say all they want,
Speaker 3: we're not moving on and listen. I would understand if
Speaker 3: you're a well run, competitive team, but given the Deshaun's situation,
Speaker 3: this is the time to just blow the thing up.
Speaker 3: And to me, he would net you multiple first round picks.
Speaker 3: So if that, if he's available, I think the Eagles
Speaker 3: would be front and center with the package of things
Speaker 3: that they would put in front of them to the
Speaker 3: land that player and their owner. And how you manipulate
Speaker 3: the salary gap is you pay these insane bonus right right,
Speaker 3: If everyone plays under the same umbrella of the cap,
Speaker 3: but I can cut you a bigger signing bonus, then
Speaker 3: that's where guys sign up for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for the record, fans tend to think all
Speaker 2: these owners are even No, they're not. Stan Cronk, Jeffrey Lewie.
Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos can pay more upfront than a majority
Speaker 2: of the teams. I mean, the Chicago Bears are just
Speaker 2: not an organization. I mean, the Packers have to get
Speaker 2: everything a boot approved. The Bears don't have that kind
Speaker 2: of money historically. So there was a moment this weekend
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones canceled his interview at the NFL Combine. And
Speaker 2: the Cowboys have had a rough couple of years. I mean,
Speaker 2: they gave away a fourth round pick for Trey Lance.
Speaker 2: He couldn't beat out Cooper Rush. I mean, if Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan can make a quarterback accurate, he's not accurate. They
Speaker 2: gave up a fourth round pick for a Jonathan Mingo,
Speaker 2: the wide receiver five catches for the Cowboys, and again
Speaker 2: both those moves, you know, we all kind of went. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Commanders gave up a fifth round pick for Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting as I look at Washington, not
Speaker 2: just because of the result, but between Adam Peters, Cliff
Speaker 2: dan Quinn, that move for Debo Jaden Daniels, and I
Speaker 2: don't think, like a lot of times there's recency bias.
Speaker 2: I honestly believe for the next decade, Washington is going
Speaker 2: to be one of the three best NFC teams. And
Speaker 2: I think, what's happening with the Cowboys Now they're becoming
Speaker 2: the old Al Davis Raiders. They feel like they are honestly,
Speaker 2: they are lost at sea. I mean they are giving
Speaker 2: away picks now. I mean people don't understand. They may
Speaker 2: re work Dax contract. It's a ninety million dollar cap
Speaker 2: hit that is over double Josh Allen. They can rework
Speaker 2: it all they want to. What fifty eight I said
Speaker 2: this a year ago. I said they're going to start
Speaker 2: a decade of regression. It has happened so fast in
Speaker 2: this league. Shit goes south so fast. What did you
Speaker 2: make of the debo only giving up a fifth round pick?
Speaker 3: Well, to me, you just look at the free agent
Speaker 3: class and you go, well, we don't want to get
Speaker 3: in any long because the whole thing was Washington has
Speaker 3: all this cap space, they need some more weapons for Jayden.
Speaker 3: And you look around you go, well, NFL free agency
Speaker 3: is the most overrated thing because high end guys never
Speaker 3: make it, and the guys that do you have to
Speaker 3: pay an absolute premium to get. Remember a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, Christian Kirk got like four years, ninety million dollars.
Speaker 3: He actually turned out to be okay. But you have
Speaker 3: to pay, you know, elite money for those guys, so
Speaker 3: I can get debo on a year to year contract.
Speaker 3: I have all this space. All I have to give
Speaker 3: up is a fifth round pick, and in the nil era, fifth, sixth,
Speaker 3: seventh round picks feel like diminished and watered down. I
Speaker 3: also think you get a guy who's a little motivated.
Speaker 3: People are calling him fat, you know, a little like
Speaker 3: Luca style. Adam Peters knows the guy well. Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 3: You know, when you think back to Arizona, they used
Speaker 3: a lot of gadget players. Rondell Moore, the Purdue guy,
Speaker 3: different type player, but guys you can get behind the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. You know. I actually think it's a
Speaker 3: good scheme fit. He has excelled when they've had a
Speaker 3: route running wide receiver on the opposite side. Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 3: Brandon Nayuk to me, if you get a motivated Debo,
Speaker 3: it's a no brainer. We have all this cap space.
Speaker 3: I give him seventeen. All I have to give up
Speaker 3: is a fifth round pick. And if you're the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers, you weren't gonna pay him seventeen million dollars
Speaker 3: here in a couple of weeks. So it's I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of a win win. The Niners are moving off,
Speaker 3: they don't have to eat any of the money. They
Speaker 3: trade to a team where the general was around, not
Speaker 3: only drafting him, but his good and bad moments, so
Speaker 3: knows his personality. Because the other thing, I mean, you've
Speaker 3: been saying it forever. Why you see it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a little moodie. I mean they got a little like
Speaker 3: Hollywood actor to him. They need to be you just
Speaker 3: you have to know their personality. It's very rare to
Speaker 3: get like a Larry Fitzgerald. Most guys are more debo.
Speaker 3: And Adam Peters knows this player really well. And I
Speaker 3: think the Jerry Jones thing. How often in any business
Speaker 3: that if the eighty year old patriarch of the operation
Speaker 3: is around and his name's not Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway,
Speaker 3: is it a healthy place to be when the guy's hovering,
Speaker 3: he's made an ungodly amount of money, he does not
Speaker 3: need to be there, and he's extra hands on. So Jered,
Speaker 3: you could argue Jerry's ego feels like it's only grown.
Speaker 3: As they've quote unquote struggled over the last decade relative
Speaker 3: to some of their big seasons, and they've underwhelmed in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. It doesn't feel like Jerry's gone. You know what,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let Steven and Will McKay and my coach
Speaker 3: take a bigger role. I'm just I'm just going to
Speaker 3: be more of a figurehead. He always doubles down. I'm
Speaker 3: cutting the check. My name's on that bad boy. I'm involved.
Speaker 3: I'm a football guy, and he's not wrong. I mean,
Speaker 3: he played college football, he's been around his whole life.
Speaker 3: But unlike a lot of football guys, Jerry is addicted
Speaker 3: to business. Yeah, and the business of his team is
Speaker 3: marketing and all that. And it's just there's just a
Speaker 3: lot going on with the Cowboys, and you know, Micah Parsons.
Speaker 2: You talk about Dak's cappit.
Speaker 3: If they do give Mike a new deal and don't
Speaker 3: trade them, what's that deal? One hundred and fifty million
Speaker 3: dollars guaranteed for quarterback contract?
Speaker 2: Brudal No.
Speaker 3: I mean, so they're in three guys at a combine
Speaker 3: what like five hundred million dollars?
Speaker 2: Crazy? I mean, I just you can't have three different
Speaker 2: players top of the market when only one of them,
Speaker 2: Ce d Lamb is top five at his position in
Speaker 2: the NFL. It's like, I mean, it's I had a
Speaker 2: very good year last year, predicting, very bad year, picking
Speaker 2: individual games, very good year, you know, picking teams. I
Speaker 2: got Washington and Denver and some of the upstarts. This year,
Speaker 2: I think New England is going to be a surprise
Speaker 2: playoff team. I think the Jets are going to go
Speaker 2: sideways a little bit. They don't have a quarterback. I
Speaker 2: think Miami I kind of think they've topped out a
Speaker 2: little bit. All the motion and the tricks and smoking mirrors.
Speaker 2: I think there's limitations there. I think New England's going
Speaker 2: to be in play. And my other one is I
Speaker 2: think Dallas is potentially a five or six win team
Speaker 2: with Brian Schottenheimer. I mean, I have the good news
Speaker 2: is it's a good quarterback draft. I have to go
Speaker 2: out and get one if I was Dallas this year.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think I heard Stephen Jones say this.
Speaker 2: I had another person tell me who I respect. Keep
Speaker 2: your eye on Kyle McCord out of Syracuse in the
Speaker 2: late second round. Do not be shocked if the Dallas
Speaker 2: Cowboys do go after Kyle McCord of Syracuse US Now
Speaker 2: they're not late second. I think Dallas made trade down
Speaker 2: in the second round to get a mid second pick.
Speaker 2: I am hearing more and more, and I went and
Speaker 2: watched him about a month ago. Kyle McCord throws a
Speaker 2: really nice ball, and I thought about this if he
Speaker 2: had stayed, because Will Howard completed sixty one percent of
Speaker 2: his throws at Kansas State. He goes to Ohio State
Speaker 2: and complete seventy three percent of his throws. If you
Speaker 2: don't think that matters. If if Kyle McCord stays at
Speaker 2: Ohio State with Jeremiah Smith and Ibuka and the two
Speaker 2: NFL running backs, and Kyle McCord, who's a much better
Speaker 2: pro prospect than Will Howard, it's not even. It's not
Speaker 2: Will Howard is like late fifth, sixth. In fact, somebody
Speaker 2: today texts me in the NFL he thinks after the
Speaker 2: combine he's a seventh round pick.
Speaker 3: I think he had a bad combine.
Speaker 2: Oh bad. I think I think Kyle McCord is going
Speaker 2: to end up being as good as any quarterback in
Speaker 2: that draft. This is my the hottest take is that
Speaker 2: he'll be the guy tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, I think yeah. I watched a couple of Syracuse
Speaker 3: games this season and went, this is the guy that
Speaker 3: Ryan Day because let's face it, they blamed him for
Speaker 3: the Michigan loss two years ago and he got kicked out,
Speaker 3: and so I listen, I believed him. I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: this guy, if he can't make it there, maybe they're right.
Speaker 3: And then you watch them at Syracuse, who had their
Speaker 3: best season in a while. He was spinning. He's got
Speaker 3: a big arms guy spiral. I think him and Jackson
Speaker 3: Dart because there are so many question marks with the
Speaker 3: top two guys with Cam and Chador. If you're talking
Speaker 3: about two guys you have the draft in the top
Speaker 3: I don't know one guy in the top five, the
Speaker 3: other guy in the top twelve. You can get these
Speaker 3: two guys. Historically, McCord is not going to be a
Speaker 3: first round pick, but even Jackson Dart would also have
Speaker 3: been a second round pick. You could find the Derek Carrs,
Speaker 3: the Jimmy Garoppolos, these guys that can start for you,
Speaker 3: and if you do a good job building your team,
Speaker 3: you can win with I think The problem for the
Speaker 3: Cowboys is, if you look at the Dak Era, they
Speaker 3: really only had to deal with the Eagles, but he
Speaker 3: just kind of went back in over the last ten years,
Speaker 3: right with Doug Peterson and then Sirianni Era. Well, now
Speaker 3: it's not just the Eagles, it's Washington too. So you
Speaker 3: add another team because Washington up until last year was
Speaker 3: a joke. The Giants have been terrible for what a
Speaker 3: decade plus, So now the Cowboys don't just have to
Speaker 3: deal with the Eagles, they have to deal with Washington.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a huge problem. And even if
Speaker 3: they do draft mccor Jackson Dart whoever, let's say they
Speaker 3: draft a second round pick that does nothing for them
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five and honestly does nothing for them
Speaker 3: the next couple of years. That guy's they're kind of
Speaker 3: just hoping to get their Jordan Love, which is good
Speaker 3: big picture team building, but it does not help them
Speaker 3: trying to beat the Eagles or Washington in Week seven,
Speaker 3: when you're three and three and your season kind of
Speaker 3: feels like it's teetering.
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Speaker 2: All right, he's one of my favorite guests, and it's
Speaker 2: a perfect time to get him. Marcus Thompson right for
Speaker 2: the Athletic. He's the author of the book Golden KD
Speaker 2: and Dynasties Really Plugged in. I you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: the Warrior's got a lot of good people covering him.
Speaker 2: I think Marcus does as good a job as anybody
Speaker 2: that covers a team in the country in any sport,
Speaker 2: and he is joining us. I mean, it's so funny
Speaker 2: because I watched a lot of Warriors basketball, and in
Speaker 2: my job, I got to watch a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know, I just got into a habit, you know,
Speaker 2: for ten years of watching the Warriors, and I made
Speaker 2: a comment, I'm like, man, when Steph is off the floor,
Speaker 2: this is pre Jimmy Butler. I'm like, this is a
Speaker 2: boring ass team. This is a bad watch. And I said,
Speaker 2: I'd bring in Jimmy Butler just for energy and he'll
Speaker 2: just get everybody all worked up. So were you in
Speaker 2: when you heard Jimmy was coming? Were you in the
Speaker 2: it may not work camp, it'll work kind of camp,
Speaker 2: or it'll be sensational camp.
Speaker 5: Which camp were you in? I might be at all three.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, I might. I might have
Speaker 5: been in all three. You know it was it was difficult.
Speaker 5: I will say this up front. I didn't expect this.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect like I mean, like, the one thing
Speaker 1: that's underscore for me, I love Andrew Wiggins. I think
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins is a really good NBA player, especially who
Speaker 1: he's become with the Warriors.
Speaker 2: He's like a testament. So if you put him.
Speaker 1: In a right situation, right, he'll be great for you.
Speaker 1: Like he probably shouldn't be the a one of a franchise, right,
Speaker 1: but if you put him in a good situation, he's great.
Speaker 1: Like he's a great teammate, plays hard Colin. There's a
Speaker 1: difference between an All Star and the Superstar. These teams
Speaker 1: are categorically different, and because of all the drama that
Speaker 1: was going down in Miami, and you know, even how
Speaker 1: Miami was like a middleague kind of team over these
Speaker 1: last couple of years, I forgot that Jimmy Butler is
Speaker 1: a superstar. That to me is the thing cognitively if
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, you put another superstar next to Steph
Speaker 1: like that that's what he needs. But watching him with Jimmy,
Speaker 1: it reminds.
Speaker 2: You like, no, Jimmy is one of them once, like.
Speaker 1: He's he's a bit of a side show sometimes, but
Speaker 1: like he's one of those guys and it's instant. And
Speaker 1: the crazy part is he didn't even have to play well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to play well, and you could.
Speaker 2: He's not shooting well right now, He's.
Speaker 1: Not even taking his shots. Jimmy lives mid range. He's
Speaker 1: he's going he's going to the elbow and rising up.
Speaker 1: He's not doing any of that. He's just on the court.
Speaker 1: And by virtue of being Jimmy Butler on the court,
Speaker 1: he will punish you if you let him, and if
Speaker 1: you don't, then Steph will punish you.
Speaker 2: So like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like the moment he got there, you could feel the vibe.
Speaker 2: Shanes just by him being there.
Speaker 1: Like he shows up in his Alo sweatsuit at the
Speaker 1: Laker game. He didn't even sit on a bench, none
Speaker 1: of the things. You'd expect this dude to come in
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, I'm part of this thing.
Speaker 1: He just came in as Jimmy and to shas everything.
Speaker 1: And I was like, heyo, I didn't see that, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't see that happening in a way like it did.
Speaker 2: Right. He's also I've used the word, he's a very
Speaker 2: intentional player, like possessions matter. He doesn't waste possessions. I
Speaker 2: always thought sometimes Wiggins could be a little bit of
Speaker 2: a floater. He would waste possessions. You weren't quite sure
Speaker 2: if he was on the floor. Jimmy's got more of
Speaker 2: a presence. He's more intentional. He gets to the free
Speaker 2: throw line, and you know, it also underscores something. And
Speaker 2: I've seen this with Lebron, with Luca is when you're
Speaker 2: on a treadmill to nowhere. This is a long season
Speaker 2: and it's hard to get guys like Steph or Lebron
Speaker 2: fired up for an eight seed, right you give them.
Speaker 2: I said this, It's like Lebron and Steph have a
Speaker 2: new buddy in the neighborhood they want to show off
Speaker 2: to and they're just I mean, Steph's averaging like six
Speaker 2: more points. You only take one more shot. So I
Speaker 2: think it. You know, in football, you got eight home games.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's very urgent. It's hard for these
Speaker 2: guys who are at the mountaintop to get fired up
Speaker 2: for you know, a playing team. I feel like Steph is.
Speaker 2: This is one of these unintended benefits of making a
Speaker 2: trade with a great player. The great player drives to
Speaker 2: the arena, ready to show off, ready to perform. And
Speaker 2: you know now that the honeymoon, the new car smell
Speaker 2: may wear off. But there is something to be said
Speaker 2: about the fit. Hell, Kuminga is not playing what when
Speaker 2: you watch When you watch Butler analytically, there were questions
Speaker 2: if he'd fit. Do you think he's more valuable on
Speaker 2: offense or defense? Right now? Right now?
Speaker 1: Offense definitely, I mean by virtue of he's impacting one
Speaker 1: of the greatest offensive weapons in the history of sports
Speaker 1: in the way he is right, you can see it.
Speaker 1: Steph is a different dude. That's a monster. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: He said it, and I didn't know it till I
Speaker 1: looked it up. The day they traded him, Steph took
Speaker 1: thirty six shots and then the next day he took
Speaker 1: thirty two. It was the first time in his career
Speaker 1: he taking thirty shots in back to back games. He'd
Speaker 1: never done that before, and Jimmy hadn't even played yet.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that we got Jimmy, now let's turn up.
Speaker 1: So the fact that Jimmy has that impact on Steph,
Speaker 1: to me, brings that to it because you're right, like
Speaker 1: the part that's so very viscerally. They just were not
Speaker 1: good before. I mean they were, they were it was boring.
Speaker 1: They got guys who just don't go into the paint.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's message now is like, hey, you see what they're
Speaker 1: doing to Steph. Just going to the paint. It's wide open.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I'm going to show you.
Speaker 1: Just throw it down to me in the paint like
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything else. I'm going to the rim.
Speaker 1: And you could see them saying, hey, that's kind of working.
Speaker 1: But without that, they're just chucking threes. They aren't really
Speaker 1: very good, and it was it was just draining life
Speaker 1: out of Steph. So to me that that part has
Speaker 1: been such a jot, like they're they're like a top
Speaker 1: five offensive defense with Jimmy, but they were bad, offensively
Speaker 1: bad and bad and boring, like it's a bad combo. Right,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be bad and boring.
Speaker 2: So you wrote that article on the suffering MAVs fans.
Speaker 2: Do you think when Cuban Cuban sold the team? Mark
Speaker 2: has a pretty good sense of business timing and exit strategy? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: why do you think? Why do you think Cubans sold?
Speaker 2: I tend to think everything Mark's again Mark. Mark is
Speaker 2: very good at seeing around corners. I can disagree with
Speaker 2: him sometimes on loving NFTs and Bitcoin or politics or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, but it's it just feels like Cuban
Speaker 2: sold the team and it hasn't felt the same since
Speaker 2: he sold it.
Speaker 1: You know the fact, Like when he sold it, I thought,
Speaker 1: is this a Vegas move? Are you sell it to
Speaker 1: the Vegas billionaire the Adamson family, right, the wife of
Speaker 1: the famous you know, Vegas casino guy, the one who
Speaker 1: got foleece by Mark Davis? Ily enough for the Raiders,
Speaker 1: But I thought, is this a vague gets moved? And
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've learned from Joe Lacup
Speaker 1: and the whole A's the Bacca is. You know, Oakland
Speaker 1: has lost its teams, and it's all boils down to
Speaker 1: you got to be ready to spend one point five
Speaker 1: to two billion dollars own the stadium.
Speaker 2: Yep. You just have to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: And if you're not ready to do that, now you're
Speaker 1: relying on your local municipality to come up with the money.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Thinking, cubansaw, do I want to spend a two billion
Speaker 1: dollar stadium or cash out and get my billions?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's the opposite move of what John Fisher did with
Speaker 1: the A's sell the team to get billions or No.
Speaker 1: Now he's playing in like a high school stadium in
Speaker 1: Sacramento because they don't want to say it like that.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: I don't think at any point he thought Luca was
Speaker 1: going to be traded.
Speaker 2: You know why? You know why he didn't think that.
Speaker 1: Because you don't trade Luca ever, at least you don't
Speaker 1: do it at twenty five years old, right, So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if Cuban knew that it's going to
Speaker 1: be tough to get the stadium we need because remember
Speaker 1: he remember when he bought that team, and he was right.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, they got the new fancy the lockers,
Speaker 1: and they treat the players top not like like you
Speaker 1: gotta be top notch now, and that's two billion dollars.
Speaker 1: That's two billion dollars. You just gotta have two billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I think he saw it might be tough to get
Speaker 1: a stadium. Let me sell it. Let me let me
Speaker 1: take the profit instead of digging a bigger hole. And
Speaker 1: if that means the team goes to Vegas like that,
Speaker 1: it's off my hands, so to speak.
Speaker 2: That's the best I can think of. But I agree
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: One Cuban saw this seven steps away.
Speaker 2: He was on it. I'll throw my Lebron theory at you.
Speaker 2: Lebron has always avoided a mess. So he leaves Cleveland.
Speaker 2: He plays in the Olympics and he's like, man, I
Speaker 2: got to play with good players. Dan Snyder can't get me.
Speaker 2: He goes to Miami four finals, Wade and Boshed, especially
Speaker 2: Wade is struggling to play back to backs. He bails.
Speaker 2: He's right. He goes to Cleveland, gets the title. Kyrie's like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here. We're maxed out. He
Speaker 2: leaves a second time. This time everybody's good with it.
Speaker 2: He goes to the Lakers. People love Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He got rid of him. Brings in a
Speaker 2: D eighty was great. And I believe Lebron realized as
Speaker 2: he aged about two years ago that he could not
Speaker 2: be on every possession every night the lead initiator, and
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is more of a three or a four
Speaker 2: than a two. And so I think he was looking
Speaker 2: for Steph two years ago. Oh and he made overteers
Speaker 2: overtures and went back channels with Steph and stuff's like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm good here. And then I think he was interested
Speaker 2: in Yoka, and I think it happened to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to come here. It's that that trial
Speaker 2: was part of conversation. How about yep, you could be here.
Speaker 2: He knew Jokic could also make the game easier for him.
Speaker 2: Denver's not interested. And I think when Cuban sold the Mavericks,
Speaker 2: I think Lebron went back channels thought to himself, here's
Speaker 2: the moment I'm going to make sure he knows I
Speaker 2: like him a lot. I think eventually he made it
Speaker 2: known upstairs, guys, I'm getting older. I cannot play forty minutes.
Speaker 2: I love ad to death, but I can't be the
Speaker 2: play initiator every damn time down the floor. I can't
Speaker 2: do it. I mean there are times now when you
Speaker 2: watch him now Austin Reeves hasn't played in a couple
Speaker 2: of games. When Luca and Austin are there together, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like Lebron's a scott a smile on his face.
Speaker 2: He just he's floating in the wing. It's and by
Speaker 2: the way, he's got absolutely But I do think. I think,
Speaker 2: and this is not a criticism, I think Lebron's the
Speaker 2: smartest player in league history, arguably in a short list.
Speaker 2: I think he's calculated. And the idea that he just
Speaker 2: woke up one day and went, well, what do you know,
Speaker 2: we got Luca the perfect teammate. I don't buy that.
Speaker 2: I just I mean, Marcus, I'm not a tenfoil hot guy.
Speaker 2: But Lebron is too smart, he's too much of a businessman.
Speaker 2: I think he made he let everybody know Luca is
Speaker 2: the target. You think I'm nuts, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how you keep that quiet, because one
Speaker 1: thing le Bron hasn't been great at is keeping all
Speaker 1: this stuff quiet. So Okham's razor come into play. What's
Speaker 1: more likely that Lebron pulled this from behind the string,
Speaker 1: which I'm not saying is off the table, or Nico
Speaker 1: Harrison was like, I got the move.
Speaker 2: That's gonna make me a legend.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both kind of wild. Did he really just
Speaker 2: do this though?
Speaker 1: Did Nicos just decide, you know what, I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: Rob p Linka, We're gonna make this happen. That's almost
Speaker 1: as crazy.
Speaker 2: What did you make in New York watching them? What
Speaker 2: do you make of the next Nixon? Nix?
Speaker 1: Is just disappointment. I'm I'm gonna give a pass because
Speaker 1: Towns wasn't not there. But for a team that can't
Speaker 1: shoot threes, they sure a jack at a lot. But I
Speaker 1: don't like their will at the end, and I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Thibodeaux has worn them down.
Speaker 2: They they they their will on the defensive end. Has
Speaker 2: this it has? It can't just be Hartenstein. They're just
Speaker 2: not as good.
Speaker 1: You can you can break them defensively, and that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be troubling. Now again, playoff basketball is different. It's
Speaker 1: half court. The half court's matchup base. But I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: what are their legs like, like what what is what
Speaker 1: is their psyche like? After what is this year three,
Speaker 1: year four of TIBs And I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's Gi Santos.
Speaker 1: It was g Santo's cooking there, Like we're not talking
Speaker 1: about like Staffle's cooler, like Jimmy Butler was okay. But
Speaker 1: they're getting out worked by guys who should be in
Speaker 1: the G League. They their will just breaks sometimes, like
Speaker 1: if you watch Knicks, they just they just decide to
Speaker 1: give up and then it's like Brunsley, go save us.
Speaker 1: So I don't I mean, obviously Boston and Cleveland are
Speaker 1: at the top. But I'll tell you this, if I'm
Speaker 1: New York, I don't want them Pistons in the first round.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. You know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to see them Pistons in the first round. That that young,
Speaker 1: hungry team full of athletes who willing to fight. Yeah, nah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the will. So again,
Speaker 1: they didn't have Town, so that's something. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: worried about the Knicks team. I'm not quite steven A.
Speaker 1: Smith Lever worried, but I'm worried about the Knicks team.
Speaker 2: Well, I've watched them play Boston twice, and I've watched
Speaker 2: one of the Cleveland games and they attacked Karl Anthony
Speaker 2: Towns in the pick and roll. I mean, they just
Speaker 2: attack them. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Towns is not going to solve this problem in the playoffs. No,
Speaker 1: they might be able to score more, which will help
Speaker 1: you get some teams. But if it's talented, Yeah, he's talented, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question, he'll he'll go out and get you some
Speaker 1: buckets in the playoffs and he'll he'll create some moments.
Speaker 1: But like this team, you know, if they get either
Speaker 1: Boston or Cleveland in the second round, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: And they have to get they have to get one
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they just don't match. Cleveland is so effic
Speaker 2: Cleveland and Boston are the two best teams in the league.
Speaker 2: They can defend the rim, they can defend the perimeter.
Speaker 2: They've got scoring guards, they've got scoring wings. They they're
Speaker 2: both efficient. Yeah, yeah, it's I always if Derek White
Speaker 2: is it's some night's the fifth best player on your team.
Speaker 2: That is a that it's almost like they you know,
Speaker 2: with the new taxes and the new ceilings and the
Speaker 2: the way it works in April all the second apron Ship.
Speaker 2: It's like Boston for about two years beat it. They've
Speaker 2: got a roster that you couldn't build right now, but
Speaker 2: they kind of grandfathered it in and they just got
Speaker 2: too many good players.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In Cleveland, man, that DeAndre Hunter trade was like unfair.
Speaker 2: They were already really good.
Speaker 1: They's got another And that's the thing about all these
Speaker 1: guys like that, you got to be able to guard wings.
Speaker 1: And you look like you just listened like four people
Speaker 1: of Boston who gu guard wings. Cleveland just added up
Speaker 1: another guy. They've got guys who could guard wings. That
Speaker 1: to me is gonna be like I'm not putting Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City in there yet because I want to see them
Speaker 1: in the playoffs guard wings or guard the explosive point guard.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: They've got the bodies, they got the the stats right,
Speaker 1: they write pretty well defensively. Playoffs are different, Monster, It's
Speaker 1: just different.
Speaker 2: It's just and this Cleveland team, you've had Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 2: and Evan Mobley. You know last year they kind of
Speaker 2: disappointed us. Oklahoma City feels like Cleveland last year. Yea
Speaker 2: really impressive but not quite ready to go on the
Speaker 2: road and give you a plus play stuff from from
Speaker 2: role players on the road. I think Cleveland's ready to
Speaker 2: do that now. Mobley just Mobley's better every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and again they've added the upgrade pieces to
Speaker 1: like they didn't just run it back with the same team.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what we're gonna see about. Okay.
Speaker 1: See, maybe Shaye is just that good where he figured
Speaker 1: it out like he felt it. They lost to Dallas,
Speaker 1: they went to work and got better. Maybe he's enough
Speaker 1: and Jalen Williams is enough next to him. I just
Speaker 1: want to see it first because experience matters a lot.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: It's just the playoffs are a different monster. Like if
Speaker 1: they get Yokic. I love Chick Holgren. What is he
Speaker 1: doing with Nikola Jokic, Like, that's that's just gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough like you have to fight, You got to
Speaker 1: fight out of that series. You know, Jamal Murray shows up,
Speaker 1: it's over. He'll always show up. But what he does,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Right, So that and russy, Like you
Speaker 1: have to fight to get out the West. So I'm
Speaker 1: curious about how all the kind of fight Oklahoma City have.
Speaker 1: If they got it, they should, they should be in
Speaker 1: the finals. If not, it's gonna be a long off
Speaker 1: season for Sam Presty because he's got like a bounty
Speaker 1: of stuff. That's like, at some point you probably need
Speaker 1: to cash in all these assets you're so famous for
Speaker 1: and get something, right, go go go get you honest.
Speaker 1: Then if if you can't win, like go do something
Speaker 1: with all that's who that's where Lucas should be.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, give me all that stuff for Luca.
Speaker 1: That's right, he should be in Oklahoma City with my
Speaker 1: seven picks, three young players and defensive stoppers and all
Speaker 1: that that, like, if they got to win. Otherwise, Sam
Speaker 1: Presty needs to go in and cash in that winning
Speaker 1: ticket he's got, or the winning tickets.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean every other NBA draft is you know,
Speaker 2: fairly talentless. This past draft. It just there's not a
Speaker 2: lot there. So like you can have all these draft picks,
Speaker 2: but what you have to do is when you get
Speaker 2: that every third draft, when it's really deep, when you
Speaker 2: go all in and then then I mean, I couldn't
Speaker 2: tall the last time we had great back to back drafts.
Speaker 2: That's just not the way it works anymore. You get
Speaker 2: like a good one, a bad one, a moderate one,
Speaker 2: a good one. So I think, okay, I think Presty's sharp.
Speaker 2: You know, it's I worry about Homegron long term, his body.
Speaker 2: But they got waves of players. Do you want to
Speaker 2: see KDE back there? It's interesting Jmack on my show today.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a very attractive place for KD.
Speaker 2: But I will say this, I don't know his relationship
Speaker 2: with Presty. If you're asking me if there's a dude
Speaker 2: that works, it's Oklahoma City and KD because he doesn't
Speaker 2: need the ball. He is catch and shoot and SGA
Speaker 2: needs the ball. So yeah, I mean, I'd catching a
Speaker 2: lot of chips. That's it'd be a two year experiment.
Speaker 2: But Jesus him homegrown Sga Williams, Jesus, that is a
Speaker 2: lot of buckets.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of buckets, a lot of fin buckets too.
Speaker 2: Marcus Thompson, great senior man. Love seeing you. Likewise, likewise,
Speaker 2: it's hard out here in the streets.
Speaker 1: I got my new assignment I'm covering figure skating World
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Speaker 2: I am an accomplished Olympic writer.
Speaker 1: Now, Colin, I was in Paris covering track and field
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Speaker 2: Wow. Good for you. Well you're a great writer. So
Speaker 2: you've got the ability to do different, different things. I'm
Speaker 2: taking advantage of it now. I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, let's go up.
Speaker 1: Next time, we're going to talk about with the quad
Speaker 1: God in advance of the winter.
Speaker 2: I can't promise you that for the Athletic. The very
Speaker 2: talented Marcus Thompson, Thanks buddy, thanks for having me, my guy,