1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: My buddy, former NFL scout John Middlecoff, his podcast is 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: three and out. So it was interesting. I got a 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: I got a text today from a NFL executive. Apparently 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: the Rams were willing to move off Stafford, but they 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: wanted a first round pick. They wanted and and by 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: the way, you know the Raiders. We're going to give 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: him one hundred million guaranteed, which I still think that'll 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: be the upgrade the Rams make. But it just to 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: throw it out there. The Rams were willing to make 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: a move if they could have two first round picks. 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: What do you make of that? I trust my intel. 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: It's somebody pretty tied to the situation. What do you 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: make of that? 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: So you're saying that they would not have traded the 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: Raiders for let's say a couple seconds. 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Nope, they wanted a first It was but it's interesting. 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: They're so close to the super Bowl. It is interesting 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: that they would have considered that. Now you know, this 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: is somebody that is close to it, So it's interesting. 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: It's so hard to get close to the super Bowl, right, Like, 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: thank god, the Niners have twelve picks this year, so 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: that should fortify them and make give them another run 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: because they've got you know, secondary and oline issues. But 25 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: it's it's even great teams. I mean, dynasty's close hard, 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: like like you're watching Kansas City this year and you're 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: like they're struggling to score points for the second year 28 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: in a role. I just it is interesting they would 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: have considered moving him for a first well. 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: I think Sean McVeigh was very candid last week when 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: he was with his guy Whitworth's podcast, and he was 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: open to say, listen, we can't quantify this guy's value 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: to us on the field, but we can off the 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: field when it comes to our salary cap. And we 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: have limitations with the guy who's thirty seven years old. 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: And I think you used to have a line was 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: that you can't there's not a happy, happier or something. 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeahier than happy. 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: And I thought this with Matt Stafford. Now, if they 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: would have acquiesced and a team would have traded picks 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: that would have made the Rams happy, would he have 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: given the thumbs up instead of taking the one year 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: forty We'll see what the you know in a week 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 3: what the number actually turns out to be. I think 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: that it's not public kind of shows you that you know, 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: the Rams didn't just give him a hundred ten million dollars, 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: right they And I think Sean McVay said today on 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: McAfee that's year to year thing, right, So I would 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: imagine they gave him a little bump up and raise, 50 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: but relative to the rest of the league, he's not 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: making what he's making. My take was this, I'm not 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: into telling someone to quote unquote take a pay cut 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: or what money means to them. But he's accumulated before 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: this season even starts, three hundred and sixty million dollars, right, 55 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: So I would imagine if his accountant's done pretty well. 56 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: I know he's got a big family, probably nine figures 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: in the bank and working for him, and investments like 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: Mats Stafford's doing really really well. Not only will he 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: never think about it as family, never will So it 60 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: doesn't get any better than Sean McVeigh, does it. Why 61 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: would he want to leave? 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's just I saw a story today where Fred 63 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: Couple said that brooks Kopka could, if he could, would 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: go back to the PGA Tour from the Live Golf 65 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 2: And again, I think I do think generational wealth does 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: make you happy for maybe twelve months. You know, it's you. 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: You get this kind of money, you set up trusts 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: with your kids, or you know, you buy that third 69 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: home if you're Brooks Kopka in that fourth car, and 70 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: it does give you a sense of independence. But ultimately, 71 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: people john not to be Tony Robbins here. People like 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: to be part of something. You know, it's not just 73 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: the money. Like the PGA Tour is part of something, 74 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: and it's an established something and there's credibility with it. 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: That's not a shot at the Live Tour, which I've defended. 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: But the Rams are something in Los Angeles, well owned, 77 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: well run, well coached right now. The Raiders are a 78 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: dream of what could be. The Rams are something. So 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: I think I've always said this, don't chase money, chase 80 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: good management and you'll eventually make good money. Maybe not 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: great money, but good money. 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think if you use the Live guys 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: as an example, you know, Phil got a couple hundred 84 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: million dollars, but he was already worth hundreds of millions 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: of dollars. His was more of an f you to 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: the establishment, right, d Chambeau, Brooks and DJ. These guys 87 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: are not NBA, NFL players. So they get offered on 88 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty million dollars, it is hard that 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: changes their life. Matt Stafford making an extra fifty million dollars. 90 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: I mean you're talking after taxes or whatever. He's taken 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: home twenty eight thirty million dollars is not going to 92 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: change him or his family's life at all. But it 93 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: will impact his football life, which, like you said, the 94 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: Raiders or the Giants, which were the teams that look 95 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: like all in, are not going to win next year. 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: It's just not gonna happen, right. I don't even think 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: it's possible with the Raiders, right, you just to compete 98 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: in that division, even if you have a huge upgrade 99 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: at coach. I think Spy Tech is a young up 100 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: and comer. But to think twenty twelve and Matt Stafford 101 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: is living in the moment. So to me, the risk 102 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: of getting the extra money, if it would have gone through, 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 3: would have sent him backwards. I think in his football 104 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: career what we saw forever in Detroit, he finally I 105 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: felt like when he got to Sean McVay got to 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: validate the career. This guy with all this talent. Honestly, 107 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: these last couple of years, even more than the Super 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: Bowl year. It was like Matt Stafford. I mean, doesn't 109 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: get much better than that. And I think it would 110 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: have kind of been sad because it would have impacted 111 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: the Rams. I'm sorry, Jimmy Garoppolo or forty one year 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: old Aaron Rodgers. It would have been a drop off 113 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: from Matt Stafford. So I'm just glad that he stayed 114 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: and it worked out from a football standpoint, because this 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: they have a good offseason, a couple moves here and there. 116 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: I mean, who's to say that they are, you know, 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: a top two or three favored in the NFC to 118 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: be a you know, win the Super Bowl or represent 119 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: the NFC in the Super Bowl. 120 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I think that game against 121 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: Philadelphia says it all. They're driving in a snowstorm and 122 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: they get down to the fifteen yard line and they 123 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: have a rookie center six round pick and they had 124 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: finally gotten their offensive line right. And by the way, 125 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: Philadelphia was a better team, better overall personnel. They almost 126 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: snuck out of that puppy with the W and so 127 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: and I've said this McVeigh doesn't really rebuild Shanahan feels 128 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: like he follows up great seasons with clunkers. If like 129 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey's not healthy, McVay wins every year. It's just 130 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: they don't really they reboot, they don't necessarily rebuild the 131 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: I was saying that, I think. 132 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: You know, you know one major difference. I think the 133 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: two right now is McVeigh has I thought Kyle, because 134 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: of his personality, would be a little more cutthroat. He's 135 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: been emotional when it came to Debo re signing him 136 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: and keeping him last year. With Ayuk McVeigh, it's like 137 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey cut you off, see you Cooper Cup this year, 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: we're moving on right this offseason Stafford one year deal. 139 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: That's it. Where it's like the Niners found themselves in 140 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: this weird predicament of they've got emotional with some of 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: these players, and McVeigh kind of went to his grandpa's 142 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: roots of Walsh. It's like, yeah, we're done here. And 143 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: he's had to tactfully change, you know. With Goff he 144 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: was a little too outspoken and even he said that like, 145 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: I handled that wrong publicly. But this is a business. 146 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: We have to make tough decisions, and I think the 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: forty nine ers found themselves in a rut because they 148 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: tied themselves to every single player instead of you know, 149 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: in football, the guy can be a good player, but 150 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: you got a pivot. You can't sign them all. 151 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: Well, I mean Philadelphia is in that spot right now. 152 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Darius Slay is an easy cut. That's an easy one. 153 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: You and I any fan could make that because they 154 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: nailed their two you know, their two early picks at corners, right. 155 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: The tougher pick is going to be do you keep 156 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: the linebacker? Do you keep Aj Brown? And I've said 157 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: this before, I would move off Aj Brown. It's in 158 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: the NBA. When a big guy gets hurt early, he 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: gets hurt. Often. When a receiver is verbal and outspoken early, 160 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: they're outspoken often. Des Bryant didn't get quieter, right, so 161 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: Debo didn't get quieter. I would move off AJ Brown 162 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: because you're so good at running back, O line, quarterback, 163 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: tight end and Devonte Smith. I think that's an easy one. 164 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: But but you don't want to think like a fan. 165 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: But I think people will look at AJ Brown and go, 166 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: he's so good. It's wide receiver you can find. Really, 167 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: Puku Naku is a fifth rounder. I mean, there's one 168 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: or two positions in the NFL cornerback, wide receiver, running back. 169 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: It's amazing how much talent there is in the fourth round. Like, 170 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: there's all sorts of examples. So like I look at 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Howie Roseman, who, by the way, you know 172 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: the organization. He said after the Super Bowl, this is 173 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: gonna look different. Not everybody's gonna love it. So to me, 174 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: that was that was a little bit of a caution. 175 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: Guys were moving off some popular talented guys. You don't 176 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: say that if you just have to cut Dare Slay. 177 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: That's an easy one that nobody's losing sleep on. 178 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, the AJ Brown one would only be 179 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: if they feel that relationship that Brandon Graham kind of 180 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: let the cat out of the bag and then they 181 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: tried to walk it back. It's like, come on, but 182 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: you know, winning cures all in their relationship. I mean, 183 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: he had a touchdown in the playoffs. He is when 184 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: when healthy, one of the best what four or five 185 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: six wide receivers in the league. I think the only 186 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: way they would do something like that would be to 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: clear up some movement. If they could get Miles Garrett 188 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: and by all accounts, they are going to be one 189 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: of the lead dogs in those moves. So I think 190 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: the thing was Zach Vaughn. This is what makes Howie 191 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: and I would just say, consistent football teams maintain it 192 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: or not. It's like, yeah, he's a good guy, he 193 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: had an incredible season, but are we going to break 194 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: the bank for a linebacker? And his history would say 195 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: the Eagles and good teams do not. 196 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: That's right, right. 197 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: Let someone else give you four years, eighty million dollars 198 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: and forty five million dollars guaranteed. And this is why 199 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: you keep drafting and why you keep investing in it. 200 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: And listen, part of being a good NFL team takes 201 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: some luck. Sometimes you got a guy one year, four 202 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: million dollars, first team All Pro. That's why you pay 203 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: Vic Fangio five six million dollars. You know that's last year. 204 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: He looked at this guy, special teamer, kind of outside linebacker. 205 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: Let's make him a middle linebacker under my tutelage, Patrick 206 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: Willis Navarro Bowman, let's roll. So if I was Howie, 207 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: I'd go, well, my return on investment is not the player, 208 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: it's the coach. Why couldn't I do this again. Why 209 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: can't we find a guy in the draft, maybe on 210 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: the second day, second or third round. Let fang, you 211 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: mold him like a piece of clay. He did it 212 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: with Navarro Bowman. Why couldn't he That's the best case scenario. 213 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 3: But no one in a million years in the NFL 214 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: would have said, Zach Bond first Team All Pro middle linebacker. 215 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: No chance. And that's that, you know football more than 216 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: all these other sports. The power of these coordinators, if 217 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: you get it right, I mean, look at Spagnola, look 218 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: at some of the offensive coordinators over the years, can. 219 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: Chase your franchise. 220 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: It's right because it's you're not paying them player money, 221 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: You're paying them four five, six million dollars. 222 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 2: It's amazing to me how fans really really struggle and 223 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: and like to me, aj Brown and Bonner the linebacker 224 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: are pretty easy moves because I'm not going to disrupt 225 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: that O line probably for the next three years. I'm 226 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm that O line. Maybe in two to 227 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: three years Lane Johnson retires, but the core of that 228 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: organization to me is now Saquon Jalen Hurts and that 229 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: O line. Everything else. To me, I'll move, but you're 230 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: finding this with Detroit. It's really I mean, think how 231 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: great people thought Dak was. I mean people really thought 232 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: Dak was a top five quarterback when the Cowboys o 233 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: line five years ago, those guys were all closer to 234 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: their prime. Now we look up and go, Jesus, Dak's 235 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: the most overpaid guy in the NFL by a long shot. 236 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: So you know, I just think when I when I 237 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 2: look at like when Tyreek Hill, Andy Reid moved off him, 238 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: I never forget the day it happened. I was like, yeah, 239 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: of course you move off him, like you got look 240 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: at the Pickstate guy at the time. I'm like, first round, 241 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: second round, second round. I'm like Brett Fiach is going 242 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: to hit on at least half of these. Of course 243 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: you make the move. He's a deep threat. Those guys 244 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: don't mean much in December and January when it's freezing 245 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: and windy. So I mean, the AJ Brown one is easy. 246 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: I'll go back to it. When a receiver Deebo is 247 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: a prime example, when they start getting outspoken early, that 248 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: doesn't go backwards and you're and by the way, you 249 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: won with him. You got to a couple of Super Bowls, 250 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: Like I also think there at some point in a 251 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: salary cap sport players become commodities and there's just you 252 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: have to move them. They're chess pieces, and you say, well, 253 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 2: where's the humanity? Come on, we all know the game here. 254 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: This is the way it is with pro sports. By 255 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: the way, in college now, kids leave their program all 256 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: the time. They make promises, they commit, they leave. We 257 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: all know this is how the game works. 258 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: One thing with AJ two, if that would be something 259 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: they wanted to do, he still has a lot of value. 260 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: He's still one of the best players in the league. 261 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not just kicking him away like Debo 262 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: for a fifth round pick. It might bring you back 263 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: like a second and a third. Yeah right, I don't 264 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: know if you could get I mean they traded a 265 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: first form, could they get a late first. I mean 266 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: some of those teams don't have the most cap room, 267 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 3: but you definitely probably get a second and a third. Yep, 268 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: you know, depends. I think there's always other moves. He's 269 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: not just getting rid of a player to get rid 270 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: of a player. You know that Milton Williams, the defensive 271 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: tackle that really came on. They would love to keep. 272 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: But guys like that are he's gonna get twenty million 273 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: dollars a year, That's right, So I think they're always 274 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: thinking the one thing the Eagles have been like since 275 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: before I got there and ever since long after I left, 276 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 3: they will go big game hunting. I'm telling you, if 277 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: Miles Garrett this is the Browns can say all they want, 278 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: we're not moving on and listen. I would understand if 279 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 3: you're a well run, competitive team, but given the Deshaun's situation, 280 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: this is the time to just blow the thing up. 281 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 3: And to me, he would net you multiple first round picks. 282 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: So if that, if he's available, I think the Eagles 283 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: would be front and center with the package of things 284 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 3: that they would put in front of them to the 285 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: land that player and their owner. And how you manipulate 286 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 3: the salary gap is you pay these insane bonus right right, 287 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: If everyone plays under the same umbrella of the cap, 288 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: but I can cut you a bigger signing bonus, then 289 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: that's where guys sign up for. 290 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And for the record, fans tend to think all 291 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: these owners are even No, they're not. Stan Cronk, Jeffrey Lewie. 292 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos can pay more upfront than a majority 293 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: of the teams. I mean, the Chicago Bears are just 294 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: not an organization. I mean, the Packers have to get 295 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: everything a boot approved. The Bears don't have that kind 296 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: of money historically. So there was a moment this weekend 297 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: Jerry Jones canceled his interview at the NFL Combine. And 298 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: the Cowboys have had a rough couple of years. I mean, 299 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: they gave away a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. 300 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: He couldn't beat out Cooper Rush. I mean, if Kyle 301 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: Shanahan can make a quarterback accurate, he's not accurate. They 302 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: gave up a fourth round pick for a Jonathan Mingo, 303 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: the wide receiver five catches for the Cowboys, and again 304 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: both those moves, you know, we all kind of went. Meanwhile, 305 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: the Commanders gave up a fifth round pick for Deebo Samuel. 306 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: And it's really interesting as I look at Washington, not 307 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: just because of the result, but between Adam Peters, Cliff 308 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: dan Quinn, that move for Debo Jaden Daniels, and I 309 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: don't think, like a lot of times there's recency bias. 310 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: I honestly believe for the next decade, Washington is going 311 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: to be one of the three best NFC teams. And 312 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: I think, what's happening with the Cowboys Now they're becoming 313 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: the old Al Davis Raiders. They feel like they are honestly, 314 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: they are lost at sea. I mean they are giving 315 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: away picks now. I mean people don't understand. They may 316 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: re work Dax contract. It's a ninety million dollar cap 317 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: hit that is over double Josh Allen. They can rework 318 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: it all they want to. What fifty eight I said 319 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: this a year ago. I said they're going to start 320 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: a decade of regression. It has happened so fast in 321 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: this league. Shit goes south so fast. What did you 322 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: make of the debo only giving up a fifth round pick? 323 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: Well, to me, you just look at the free agent 324 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: class and you go, well, we don't want to get 325 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: in any long because the whole thing was Washington has 326 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: all this cap space, they need some more weapons for Jayden. 327 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: And you look around you go, well, NFL free agency 328 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: is the most overrated thing because high end guys never 329 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: make it, and the guys that do you have to 330 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: pay an absolute premium to get. Remember a couple of 331 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: years ago, Christian Kirk got like four years, ninety million dollars. 332 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: He actually turned out to be okay. But you have 333 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: to pay, you know, elite money for those guys, so 334 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: I can get debo on a year to year contract. 335 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: I have all this space. All I have to give 336 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 3: up is a fifth round pick, and in the nil era, fifth, sixth, 337 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: seventh round picks feel like diminished and watered down. I 338 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: also think you get a guy who's a little motivated. 339 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: People are calling him fat, you know, a little like 340 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: Luca style. Adam Peters knows the guy well. Cliff Kingsbury. 341 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: You know, when you think back to Arizona, they used 342 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 3: a lot of gadget players. Rondell Moore, the Purdue guy, 343 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: different type player, but guys you can get behind the 344 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. You know. I actually think it's a 345 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 3: good scheme fit. He has excelled when they've had a 346 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 3: route running wide receiver on the opposite side. Terry McLaurin, 347 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: Brandon Nayuk to me, if you get a motivated Debo, 348 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: it's a no brainer. We have all this cap space. 349 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: I give him seventeen. All I have to give up 350 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: is a fifth round pick. And if you're the forty 351 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: nine ers, you weren't gonna pay him seventeen million dollars 352 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: here in a couple of weeks. So it's I think 353 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: it's kind of a win win. The Niners are moving off, 354 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: they don't have to eat any of the money. They 355 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: trade to a team where the general was around, not 356 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: only drafting him, but his good and bad moments, so 357 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: knows his personality. Because the other thing, I mean, you've 358 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: been saying it forever. Why you see it's gonna be 359 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: a little moodie. I mean they got a little like 360 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: Hollywood actor to him. They need to be you just 361 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: you have to know their personality. It's very rare to 362 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 3: get like a Larry Fitzgerald. Most guys are more debo. 363 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: And Adam Peters knows this player really well. And I 364 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: think the Jerry Jones thing. How often in any business 365 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: that if the eighty year old patriarch of the operation 366 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 3: is around and his name's not Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway, 367 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: is it a healthy place to be when the guy's hovering, 368 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: he's made an ungodly amount of money, he does not 369 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 3: need to be there, and he's extra hands on. So Jered, 370 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: you could argue Jerry's ego feels like it's only grown. 371 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: As they've quote unquote struggled over the last decade relative 372 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: to some of their big seasons, and they've underwhelmed in 373 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs. It doesn't feel like Jerry's gone. You know what, 374 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna let Steven and Will McKay and my coach 375 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: take a bigger role. I'm just I'm just going to 376 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: be more of a figurehead. He always doubles down. I'm 377 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: cutting the check. My name's on that bad boy. I'm involved. 378 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 3: I'm a football guy, and he's not wrong. I mean, 379 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: he played college football, he's been around his whole life. 380 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: But unlike a lot of football guys, Jerry is addicted 381 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: to business. Yeah, and the business of his team is 382 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: marketing and all that. And it's just there's just a 383 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: lot going on with the Cowboys, and you know, Micah Parsons. 384 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: You talk about Dak's cappit. 385 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 3: If they do give Mike a new deal and don't 386 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: trade them, what's that deal? One hundred and fifty million 387 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: dollars guaranteed for quarterback contract? 388 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: Brudal No. 389 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: I mean, so they're in three guys at a combine 390 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: what like five hundred million dollars? 391 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: Crazy? I mean, I just you can't have three different 392 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: players top of the market when only one of them, 393 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: Ce d Lamb is top five at his position in 394 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: the NFL. It's like, I mean, it's I had a 395 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: very good year last year, predicting, very bad year, picking 396 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: individual games, very good year, you know, picking teams. I 397 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: got Washington and Denver and some of the upstarts. This year, 398 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: I think New England is going to be a surprise 399 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 2: playoff team. I think the Jets are going to go 400 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: sideways a little bit. They don't have a quarterback. I 401 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: think Miami I kind of think they've topped out a 402 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: little bit. All the motion and the tricks and smoking mirrors. 403 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: I think there's limitations there. I think New England's going 404 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: to be in play. And my other one is I 405 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: think Dallas is potentially a five or six win team 406 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: with Brian Schottenheimer. I mean, I have the good news 407 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 2: is it's a good quarterback draft. I have to go 408 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: out and get one if I was Dallas this year. 409 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: In fact, I think I heard Stephen Jones say this. 410 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: I had another person tell me who I respect. Keep 411 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: your eye on Kyle McCord out of Syracuse in the 412 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 2: late second round. Do not be shocked if the Dallas 413 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: Cowboys do go after Kyle McCord of Syracuse US Now 414 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: they're not late second. I think Dallas made trade down 415 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: in the second round to get a mid second pick. 416 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: I am hearing more and more, and I went and 417 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: watched him about a month ago. Kyle McCord throws a 418 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 2: really nice ball, and I thought about this if he 419 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: had stayed, because Will Howard completed sixty one percent of 420 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: his throws at Kansas State. He goes to Ohio State 421 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: and complete seventy three percent of his throws. If you 422 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: don't think that matters. If if Kyle McCord stays at 423 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: Ohio State with Jeremiah Smith and Ibuka and the two 424 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: NFL running backs, and Kyle McCord, who's a much better 425 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 2: pro prospect than Will Howard, it's not even. It's not 426 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: Will Howard is like late fifth, sixth. In fact, somebody 427 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: today texts me in the NFL he thinks after the 428 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: combine he's a seventh round pick. 429 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: I think he had a bad combine. 430 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: Oh bad. I think I think Kyle McCord is going 431 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: to end up being as good as any quarterback in 432 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: that draft. This is my the hottest take is that 433 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: he'll be the guy tell me I'm wrong. 434 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think yeah. I watched a couple of Syracuse 435 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: games this season and went, this is the guy that 436 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: Ryan Day because let's face it, they blamed him for 437 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 3: the Michigan loss two years ago and he got kicked out, 438 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: and so I listen, I believed him. I was like, hey, 439 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: this guy, if he can't make it there, maybe they're right. 440 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: And then you watch them at Syracuse, who had their 441 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 3: best season in a while. He was spinning. He's got 442 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: a big arms guy spiral. I think him and Jackson 443 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: Dart because there are so many question marks with the 444 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 3: top two guys with Cam and Chador. If you're talking 445 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 3: about two guys you have the draft in the top 446 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: I don't know one guy in the top five, the 447 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 3: other guy in the top twelve. You can get these 448 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: two guys. Historically, McCord is not going to be a 449 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: first round pick, but even Jackson Dart would also have 450 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: been a second round pick. You could find the Derek Carrs, 451 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: the Jimmy Garoppolos, these guys that can start for you, 452 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: and if you do a good job building your team, 453 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: you can win with I think The problem for the 454 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 3: Cowboys is, if you look at the Dak Era, they 455 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 3: really only had to deal with the Eagles, but he 456 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: just kind of went back in over the last ten years, 457 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: right with Doug Peterson and then Sirianni Era. Well, now 458 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: it's not just the Eagles, it's Washington too. So you 459 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: add another team because Washington up until last year was 460 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: a joke. The Giants have been terrible for what a 461 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: decade plus, So now the Cowboys don't just have to 462 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: deal with the Eagles, they have to deal with Washington. 463 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a huge problem. And even if 464 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: they do draft mccor Jackson Dart whoever, let's say they 465 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: draft a second round pick that does nothing for them 466 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five and honestly does nothing for them 467 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: the next couple of years. 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I you know, it's it's 505 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: the Warrior's got a lot of good people covering him. 506 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 2: I think Marcus does as good a job as anybody 507 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: that covers a team in the country in any sport, 508 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: and he is joining us. I mean, it's so funny 509 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: because I watched a lot of Warriors basketball, and in 510 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: my job, I got to watch a lot of stuff. 511 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: But you know, I just got into a habit, you know, 512 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: for ten years of watching the Warriors, and I made 513 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: a comment, I'm like, man, when Steph is off the floor, 514 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: this is pre Jimmy Butler. I'm like, this is a 515 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: boring ass team. This is a bad watch. And I said, 516 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: I'd bring in Jimmy Butler just for energy and he'll 517 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: just get everybody all worked up. So were you in 518 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: when you heard Jimmy was coming? Were you in the 519 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: it may not work camp, it'll work kind of camp, 520 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: or it'll be sensational camp. 521 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 5: Which camp were you in? I might be at all three. 522 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 5: To be honest with you, I might. I might have 523 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: been in all three. You know it was it was difficult. 524 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 5: I will say this up front. I didn't expect this. 525 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: I didn't expect like I mean, like, the one thing 526 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: that's underscore for me, I love Andrew Wiggins. I think 527 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins is a really good NBA player, especially who 528 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: he's become with the Warriors. 529 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: He's like a testament. So if you put him. 530 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: In a right situation, right, he'll be great for you. 531 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: Like he probably shouldn't be the a one of a franchise, right, 532 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: but if you put him in a good situation, he's great. 533 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: Like he's a great teammate, plays hard Colin. There's a 534 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: difference between an All Star and the Superstar. These teams 535 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: are categorically different, and because of all the drama that 536 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: was going down in Miami, and you know, even how 537 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: Miami was like a middleague kind of team over these 538 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: last couple of years, I forgot that Jimmy Butler is 539 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: a superstar. That to me is the thing cognitively if 540 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: you said, yeah, you put another superstar next to Steph 541 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: like that that's what he needs. But watching him with Jimmy, 542 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: it reminds. 543 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: You like, no, Jimmy is one of them once, like. 544 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: He's he's a bit of a side show sometimes, but 545 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: like he's one of those guys and it's instant. And 546 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: the crazy part is he didn't even have to play well. Yeah, 547 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to play well, and you could. 548 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: He's not shooting well right now, He's. 549 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: Not even taking his shots. Jimmy lives mid range. He's 550 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: he's going he's going to the elbow and rising up. 551 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: He's not doing any of that. He's just on the court. 552 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: And by virtue of being Jimmy Butler on the court, 553 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: he will punish you if you let him, and if 554 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: you don't, then Steph will punish you. 555 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: So like that's the thing. 556 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: Like the moment he got there, you could feel the vibe. 557 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: Shanes just by him being there. 558 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Like he shows up in his Alo sweatsuit at the 559 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: Laker game. He didn't even sit on a bench, none 560 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: of the things. You'd expect this dude to come in 561 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: and be like, all right, I'm part of this thing. 562 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: He just came in as Jimmy and to shas everything. 563 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: And I was like, heyo, I didn't see that, Like 564 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: I didn't see that happening in a way like it did. 565 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: Right. He's also I've used the word, he's a very 566 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: intentional player, like possessions matter. He doesn't waste possessions. I 567 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: always thought sometimes Wiggins could be a little bit of 568 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: a floater. He would waste possessions. You weren't quite sure 569 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: if he was on the floor. Jimmy's got more of 570 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: a presence. He's more intentional. He gets to the free 571 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: throw line, and you know, it also underscores something. And 572 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: I've seen this with Lebron, with Luca is when you're 573 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: on a treadmill to nowhere. This is a long season 574 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: and it's hard to get guys like Steph or Lebron 575 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: fired up for an eight seed, right you give them. 576 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: I said this, It's like Lebron and Steph have a 577 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: new buddy in the neighborhood they want to show off 578 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: to and they're just I mean, Steph's averaging like six 579 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: more points. You only take one more shot. So I 580 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: think it. You know, in football, you got eight home games. 581 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's very urgent. It's hard for these 582 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: guys who are at the mountaintop to get fired up 583 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: for you know, a playing team. I feel like Steph is. 584 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: This is one of these unintended benefits of making a 585 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: trade with a great player. The great player drives to 586 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: the arena, ready to show off, ready to perform. And 587 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: you know now that the honeymoon, the new car smell 588 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: may wear off. But there is something to be said 589 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: about the fit. Hell, Kuminga is not playing what when 590 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: you watch When you watch Butler analytically, there were questions 591 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: if he'd fit. Do you think he's more valuable on 592 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: offense or defense? Right now? Right now? 593 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: Offense definitely, I mean by virtue of he's impacting one 594 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: of the greatest offensive weapons in the history of sports 595 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: in the way he is right, you can see it. 596 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: Steph is a different dude. That's a monster. It's so crazy. 597 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: He said it, and I didn't know it till I 598 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: looked it up. The day they traded him, Steph took 599 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: thirty six shots and then the next day he took 600 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: thirty two. It was the first time in his career 601 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: he taking thirty shots in back to back games. He'd 602 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: never done that before, and Jimmy hadn't even played yet. 603 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Just the fact that we got Jimmy, now let's turn up. 604 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 1: So the fact that Jimmy has that impact on Steph, 605 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: to me, brings that to it because you're right, like 606 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: the part that's so very viscerally. They just were not 607 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: good before. I mean they were, they were it was boring. 608 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: They got guys who just don't go into the paint. 609 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: Jimmy's message now is like, hey, you see what they're 610 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: doing to Steph. Just going to the paint. It's wide open. 611 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I'm going to show you. 612 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: Just throw it down to me in the paint like 613 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything else. I'm going to the rim. 614 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: And you could see them saying, hey, that's kind of working. 615 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: But without that, they're just chucking threes. They aren't really 616 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: very good, and it was it was just draining life 617 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: out of Steph. So to me that that part has 618 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: been such a jot, like they're they're like a top 619 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: five offensive defense with Jimmy, but they were bad, offensively 620 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: bad and bad and boring, like it's a bad combo. Right, 621 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: you don't want to be bad and boring. 622 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: So you wrote that article on the suffering MAVs fans. 623 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: Do you think when Cuban Cuban sold the team? Mark 624 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: has a pretty good sense of business timing and exit strategy? Absolutely, 625 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: why do you think? Why do you think Cubans sold? 626 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: I tend to think everything Mark's again Mark. Mark is 627 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: very good at seeing around corners. I can disagree with 628 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: him sometimes on loving NFTs and Bitcoin or politics or 629 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: whatever it is, but it's it just feels like Cuban 630 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: sold the team and it hasn't felt the same since 631 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: he sold it. 632 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: You know the fact, Like when he sold it, I thought, 633 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: is this a Vegas move? Are you sell it to 634 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: the Vegas billionaire the Adamson family, right, the wife of 635 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: the famous you know, Vegas casino guy, the one who 636 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: got foleece by Mark Davis? Ily enough for the Raiders, 637 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: But I thought, is this a vague gets moved? And 638 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that I've learned from Joe Lacup 639 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: and the whole A's the Bacca is. You know, Oakland 640 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: has lost its teams, and it's all boils down to 641 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: you got to be ready to spend one point five 642 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: to two billion dollars own the stadium. 643 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: Yep. You just have to be able to do that. 644 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: And if you're not ready to do that, now you're 645 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: relying on your local municipality to come up with the money. 646 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm. 647 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: Thinking, cubansaw, do I want to spend a two billion 648 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: dollar stadium or cash out and get my billions? 649 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: Right? 650 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: It's the opposite move of what John Fisher did with 651 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: the A's sell the team to get billions or No. 652 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: Now he's playing in like a high school stadium in 653 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: Sacramento because they don't want to say it like that. 654 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: That's what I thought. 655 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't think at any point he thought Luca was 656 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: going to be traded. 657 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: You know why? You know why he didn't think that. 658 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: Because you don't trade Luca ever, at least you don't 659 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: do it at twenty five years old, right, So I 660 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if Cuban knew that it's going to 661 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: be tough to get the stadium we need because remember 662 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: he remember when he bought that team, and he was right. 663 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, they got the new fancy the lockers, 664 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: and they treat the players top not like like you 665 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: gotta be top notch now, and that's two billion dollars. 666 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: That's two billion dollars. You just gotta have two billion dollars. 667 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: I think he saw it might be tough to get 668 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: a stadium. Let me sell it. Let me let me 669 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: take the profit instead of digging a bigger hole. And 670 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: if that means the team goes to Vegas like that, 671 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: it's off my hands, so to speak. 672 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: That's the best I can think of. But I agree 673 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 2: with you. 674 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: One Cuban saw this seven steps away. 675 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: He was on it. I'll throw my Lebron theory at you. 676 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: Lebron has always avoided a mess. So he leaves Cleveland. 677 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: He plays in the Olympics and he's like, man, I 678 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: got to play with good players. Dan Snyder can't get me. 679 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: He goes to Miami four finals, Wade and Boshed, especially 680 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: Wade is struggling to play back to backs. He bails. 681 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: He's right. He goes to Cleveland, gets the title. Kyrie's like, 682 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to be here. We're maxed out. He 683 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 2: leaves a second time. This time everybody's good with it. 684 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: He goes to the Lakers. People love Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma. 685 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: He didn't. He got rid of him. Brings in a 686 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 2: D eighty was great. And I believe Lebron realized as 687 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: he aged about two years ago that he could not 688 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 2: be on every possession every night the lead initiator, and 689 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is more of a three or a four 690 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: than a two. And so I think he was looking 691 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 2: for Steph two years ago. Oh and he made overteers 692 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 2: overtures and went back channels with Steph and stuff's like, man, 693 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: I'm good here. And then I think he was interested 694 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: in Yoka, and I think it happened to be like, hey, 695 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 2: do you want to come here. It's that that trial 696 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: was part of conversation. How about yep, you could be here. 697 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: He knew Jokic could also make the game easier for him. 698 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 2: Denver's not interested. And I think when Cuban sold the Mavericks, 699 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: I think Lebron went back channels thought to himself, here's 700 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: the moment I'm going to make sure he knows I 701 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: like him a lot. I think eventually he made it 702 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 2: known upstairs, guys, I'm getting older. I cannot play forty minutes. 703 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 2: I love ad to death, but I can't be the 704 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 2: play initiator every damn time down the floor. I can't 705 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 2: do it. I mean there are times now when you 706 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: watch him now Austin Reeves hasn't played in a couple 707 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: of games. When Luca and Austin are there together, I mean, 708 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: it's like Lebron's a scott a smile on his face. 709 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: He just he's floating in the wing. It's and by 710 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: the way, he's got absolutely But I do think. I think, 711 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: and this is not a criticism, I think Lebron's the 712 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 2: smartest player in league history, arguably in a short list. 713 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: I think he's calculated. And the idea that he just 714 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 2: woke up one day and went, well, what do you know, 715 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 2: we got Luca the perfect teammate. I don't buy that. 716 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 2: I just I mean, Marcus, I'm not a tenfoil hot guy. 717 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: But Lebron is too smart, he's too much of a businessman. 718 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: I think he made he let everybody know Luca is 719 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 2: the target. You think I'm nuts, I don't. 720 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: I just wonder how you keep that quiet, because one 721 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: thing le Bron hasn't been great at is keeping all 722 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 1: this stuff quiet. So Okham's razor come into play. What's 723 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: more likely that Lebron pulled this from behind the string, 724 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: which I'm not saying is off the table, or Nico 725 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: Harrison was like, I got the move. 726 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 2: That's gonna make me a legend. 727 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 728 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both kind of wild. Did he really just 729 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 2: do this though? 730 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: Did Nicos just decide, you know what, I'm gonna call 731 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: Rob p Linka, We're gonna make this happen. That's almost 732 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: as crazy. 733 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 2: What did you make in New York watching them? What 734 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: do you make of the next Nixon? Nix? 735 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: Is just disappointment. I'm I'm gonna give a pass because 736 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: Towns wasn't not there. But for a team that can't 737 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: shoot threes, they sure a jack at a lot. But I 738 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: don't like their will at the end, and I wonder, 739 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,479 Speaker 1: I wonder if Thibodeaux has worn them down. 740 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 2: They they they their will on the defensive end. Has 741 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 2: this it has? It can't just be Hartenstein. They're just 742 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 2: not as good. 743 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: You can you can break them defensively, and that's that's 744 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: gonna be troubling. Now again, playoff basketball is different. It's 745 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: half court. The half court's matchup base. But I'm wondering, 746 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: what are their legs like, like what what is what 747 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: is their psyche like? After what is this year three, 748 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: year four of TIBs And I don't know. 749 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: It's like it's Gi Santos. 750 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: It was g Santo's cooking there, Like we're not talking 751 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: about like Staffle's cooler, like Jimmy Butler was okay. But 752 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: they're getting out worked by guys who should be in 753 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: the G League. They their will just breaks sometimes, like 754 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: if you watch Knicks, they just they just decide to 755 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: give up and then it's like Brunsley, go save us. 756 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: So I don't I mean, obviously Boston and Cleveland are 757 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: at the top. But I'll tell you this, if I'm 758 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: New York, I don't want them Pistons in the first round. 759 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. You know, you don't want 760 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: to see them Pistons in the first round. That that young, 761 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: hungry team full of athletes who willing to fight. Yeah, nah, 762 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the will. So again, 763 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: they didn't have Town, so that's something. But I'm I'm 764 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: worried about the Knicks team. I'm not quite steven A. 765 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: Smith Lever worried, but I'm worried about the Knicks team. 766 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: Well, I've watched them play Boston twice, and I've watched 767 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 2: one of the Cleveland games and they attacked Karl Anthony 768 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: Towns in the pick and roll. I mean, they just 769 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: attack them. I don't know. 770 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: Towns is not going to solve this problem in the playoffs. No, 771 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: they might be able to score more, which will help 772 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: you get some teams. But if it's talented, Yeah, he's talented, Yeah, 773 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: no question, he'll he'll go out and get you some 774 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: buckets in the playoffs and he'll he'll create some moments. 775 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: But like this team, you know, if they get either 776 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: Boston or Cleveland in the second round, I just don't know. 777 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: And they have to get they have to get one 778 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: of them. 779 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they just don't match. Cleveland is so effic 780 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: Cleveland and Boston are the two best teams in the league. 781 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 2: They can defend the rim, they can defend the perimeter. 782 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: They've got scoring guards, they've got scoring wings. They they're 783 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 2: both efficient. Yeah, yeah, it's I always if Derek White 784 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 2: is it's some night's the fifth best player on your team. 785 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: That is a that it's almost like they you know, 786 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 2: with the new taxes and the new ceilings and the 787 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 2: the way it works in April all the second apron Ship. 788 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: It's like Boston for about two years beat it. They've 789 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 2: got a roster that you couldn't build right now, but 790 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 2: they kind of grandfathered it in and they just got 791 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 2: too many good players. 792 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. In Cleveland, man, that DeAndre Hunter trade was like unfair. 793 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 2: They were already really good. 794 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: They's got another And that's the thing about all these 795 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: guys like that, you got to be able to guard wings. 796 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: And you look like you just listened like four people 797 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: of Boston who gu guard wings. Cleveland just added up 798 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: another guy. They've got guys who could guard wings. That 799 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: to me is gonna be like I'm not putting Oklahoma 800 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: City in there yet because I want to see them 801 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: in the playoffs guard wings or guard the explosive point guard. 802 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: Like. 803 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: They've got the bodies, they got the the stats right, 804 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: they write pretty well defensively. Playoffs are different, Monster, It's 805 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: just different. 806 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 2: It's just and this Cleveland team, you've had Donovan Mitchell 807 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 2: and Evan Mobley. You know last year they kind of 808 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: disappointed us. Oklahoma City feels like Cleveland last year. Yea 809 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 2: really impressive but not quite ready to go on the 810 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 2: road and give you a plus play stuff from from 811 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 2: role players on the road. I think Cleveland's ready to 812 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 2: do that now. Mobley just Mobley's better every year. 813 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and again they've added the upgrade pieces to 814 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: like they didn't just run it back with the same team. 815 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 2: And that's that's what we're gonna see about. Okay. 816 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: See, maybe Shaye is just that good where he figured 817 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: it out like he felt it. They lost to Dallas, 818 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: they went to work and got better. Maybe he's enough 819 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: and Jalen Williams is enough next to him. I just 820 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 1: want to see it first because experience matters a lot. 821 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 2: Man. 822 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: It's just the playoffs are a different monster. Like if 823 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: they get Yokic. I love Chick Holgren. What is he 824 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: doing with Nikola Jokic, Like, that's that's just gonna be 825 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: a tough like you have to fight, You got to 826 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: fight out of that series. You know, Jamal Murray shows up, 827 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: it's over. He'll always show up. But what he does, 828 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Right, So that and russy, Like you 829 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: have to fight to get out the West. So I'm 830 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: curious about how all the kind of fight Oklahoma City have. 831 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: If they got it, they should, they should be in 832 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 1: the finals. If not, it's gonna be a long off 833 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: season for Sam Presty because he's got like a bounty 834 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: of stuff. That's like, at some point you probably need 835 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: to cash in all these assets you're so famous for 836 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: and get something, right, go go go get you honest. 837 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: Then if if you can't win, like go do something 838 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: with all that's who that's where Lucas should be. 839 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, give me all that stuff for Luca. 840 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: That's right, he should be in Oklahoma City with my 841 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: seven picks, three young players and defensive stoppers and all 842 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: that that, like, if they got to win. Otherwise, Sam 843 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: Presty needs to go in and cash in that winning 844 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: ticket he's got, or the winning tickets. 845 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean every other NBA draft is you know, 846 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: fairly talentless. This past draft. It just there's not a 847 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: lot there. So like you can have all these draft picks, 848 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 2: but what you have to do is when you get 849 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: that every third draft, when it's really deep, when you 850 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 2: go all in and then then I mean, I couldn't 851 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 2: tall the last time we had great back to back drafts. 852 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 2: That's just not the way it works anymore. You get 853 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 2: like a good one, a bad one, a moderate one, 854 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 2: a good one. So I think, okay, I think Presty's sharp. 855 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's I worry about Homegron long term, his body. 856 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 2: But they got waves of players. Do you want to 857 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 2: see KDE back there? It's interesting Jmack on my show today. 858 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a very attractive place for KD. 859 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 2: But I will say this, I don't know his relationship 860 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 2: with Presty. If you're asking me if there's a dude 861 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 2: that works, it's Oklahoma City and KD because he doesn't 862 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: need the ball. He is catch and shoot and SGA 863 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 2: needs the ball. So yeah, I mean, I'd catching a 864 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 2: lot of chips. That's it'd be a two year experiment. 865 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 2: But Jesus him homegrown Sga Williams, Jesus, that is a 866 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 2: lot of buckets. 867 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: That's a lot of buckets, a lot of fin buckets too. 868 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 2: Marcus Thompson, great senior man. Love seeing you. Likewise, likewise, 869 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 2: it's hard out here in the streets. 870 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: I got my new assignment I'm covering figure skating World 871 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: Championships for the Athletic. 872 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 2: I am an accomplished Olympic writer. 873 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: Now, Colin, I was in Paris covering track and field 874 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: and now I'm going figure skating. Can you imagine me 875 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: at the figure skating I'm in this thing. I'm out 876 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: here college. 877 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 2: Wow. Good for you. Well you're a great writer. So 878 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 2: you've got the ability to do different, different things. I'm 879 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 2: taking advantage of it now. I'm looking forward to this. 880 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, let's go up. 881 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: Next time, we're going to talk about with the quad 882 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: God in advance of the winter. 883 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 2: I can't promise you that for the Athletic. The very 884 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 2: talented Marcus Thompson, Thanks buddy, thanks for having me, my guy,