1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field a day late 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: this week, West because of the holiday, but we are 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: here to talk about a Christmas Eve victory by the 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers in Carolina. Thirty three to thirty was 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: the final score. And just when you thought maybe something 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: would come easy for the Packers this year, a fourteen 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: point lead with about eleven minutes to go in the 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Of course, the game comes right down to 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: the wire, because that's just what this season has been 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, a lot to dissect as 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: far as how that all went down. But the bottom 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: line is the Packers got a victory. They are still 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: alive in the NFC playoff hunt with two games to go, 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, this one, it would have been an ab 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: slew crusher to let it get away, but fortunately the 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Packers did not. 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: It was when we were leaving and we were on 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: the bus and both of us are writing scrambling, there's 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: a lot going on. There wasn't a whole lot of 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: time for fun and festivity. But I was thinking in 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: my head when I sat in my seat. It almost 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: reminded me of the scene of from Bull Durham of 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: Nukelelous and Crash Davis in the back where Nuke walks 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: up and he's got the beers or everything. He's like, 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: you know, winning it's better than losing, you know what 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: I mean? And then you know, then the Crash is 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: sitting there half in the bag as well, having a 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: different approach everything. That's kind of what this game was 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways for the Green Bay Packers, 33 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: because let's just boil it down to brass tacks. The 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: Packers had to win this game, and they achieved that goal. 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: Was not pretty. It was definitely ugly at times, but 36 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: they went into another team's house and they got the 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: victory they needed. So there is that we're talking about 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: meaningful Week seventeen football. They are in the same position 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: right now as the Minnesota Vikings at seven and eight, 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: trying to keep their playoff hopes alive. What impressed me 41 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: this game was the first half. I thought offensively, green 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: Bay did a lot of positive things. Aaron Jones back 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: in the lineup and at a time in which they 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: desperately needed him to perform without Jaden Reid, which kind 45 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 2: of caught me off guard. I just figured he would 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: just keep pushing through and play through that toe injury. 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: He's not able to go. Christian Watson isn't back, don 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: Tavian Wicks leaves at halftime. You needed a playmaker like 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones to make plays defensively, kind of like the 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: Tampa game without the takeaway. Played pretty well early on, 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: they had an adverse situation where there was the roughing 52 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: the kicker, roughing the punter. They had to come back. 53 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: They got another three and out. They were up twenty 54 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: three to ten at halftime, and things were really going 55 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: their way. But as we've talked about so many times, Mike, 56 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: when second half, how things can change, how adjustments can 57 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: be made. And what impressed me about this game is, 58 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: unlike the Atlanta game earlier this season where the Packers 59 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: let it get away and they didn't recover, green Bay 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: did recover. I thought that showed the growth of Jordan 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: Love and thankfully for green Bay saved by the bell 62 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: as you wrote an inbox, being able to ride this 63 00:02:59,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: thing out for the victory. 64 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was as frustrating as it was to see 65 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: the defense really lose control of the game in the 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: second half, because I agree with you. In the first 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: half of that the Packers defense played pretty well, got 68 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: a big fourth and short stop around midfield that set 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: up the Packers for a touchdown just before halftime that 70 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: you put the score at twenty three to ten. Things 71 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: are looking pretty good. The Packers extended that lead by 72 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: three more points of the third quarter, you started to 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: see the cracks in the defense though, when the Panthers 74 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: put together a long drive I believe it was fourteen plays, 75 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: took more than eight minutes off the clock in the 76 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: third quarter, and you wondered if that would have an 77 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: impact on the defense in the fourth quarter, And sure enough, 78 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: it did, because the Panthers were able to put together 79 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: the back to back touchdown drives at the same time 80 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: that a Packers offense that really had been humming along 81 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: pretty well suddenly has back to back three and outs 82 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and the momentum in this game 83 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: just had completely flipped the other way. Bryce started, I mean, 84 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: he just started rolling. He was having the game of 85 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: his life. Quite frankly, as far as his rookie year 86 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL, he probably felt like he was back 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: at Alabama the way he was running around and throwing 88 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: darts and everything else. What I liked about this game 89 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: more than anything else was you said it the Atlanta game. 90 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I also think about the Vegas game and the Denver game, 91 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: when the Packers offense needed to have a drive when 92 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: it's back was against the wall, when all the momentum 93 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: was pointing against the team and the offense had to respond. 94 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: It did in this one. You had the big pass 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: to Romeo Dobbs on third and four. You had the 96 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: really nice catch and run by Tyler sorry Tucker Craft 97 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: on the pass over the middle that was threaded in 98 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: between two defenders, and you're able to run the clock 99 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: down all the way down to twenty two seconds. You 100 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: kick the field goal. There's only nineteen seconds left on 101 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: the clock. The Packers offense. Everything seem to have flipped 102 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: the other way in this game on both sides of 103 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: the ball, and the offense answered the call and put 104 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: together the drive that was needed, the type of drive 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: that had been missing in other games throughout the course 106 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: of the season. 107 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, and let's be honest here, too, Mike. If Bryce 108 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: Young is going to have the game of his career 109 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: so far one hundred and ten passer rating, two passing 110 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: touchdowns after a month in which he did not have one, 111 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: you need to have a response from your quarterback. And 112 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: I thought Jordan Love was exceptional in this game. The 113 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: pass to Tucker Kraft, Mike, He's thrown a lot of 114 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: great balls this year in terms of intermediate routes underneath routes. 115 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: That was about his pinpoint accurate as I think I've 116 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: seen from him this season. Yeah, there was not an 117 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: inch to spare on either side of that ball, And 118 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: credit to Kraft for bringing that one in because I mean, 119 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: maybe it's a makeable kick yet you know Anders had 120 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: made the fifty three yarder, but it's definitely bigger question 121 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: mark if he doesn't get that reception, if they don't 122 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: find a way to sneak their way into the red zone, 123 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: make it really a chip shot. Jordan was exceptional And 124 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: what more or can you say about his past to 125 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: don Tavian Wicks too. Again, similar to last week with 126 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: Jayden Reid kind of seeing through the clutter and this 127 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: guy is showing Mike when he can extend plays and 128 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: get out of the pocket. How dangerous he can be. 129 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: It is the number one trait that I look at 130 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: with him that I see the shades of Aaron Rodgers 131 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: and the influence of Aaron Rodgers, because he isn't just 132 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: again like I said to you last week, it's not 133 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: the Madden rollout. It's not just the Okay, I got 134 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: the ball and now I'm gonna try to get away 135 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: from the pass rushers as quickly as possible. He is 136 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: reading the field, he's going through his progressions, and he 137 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: is allowing his playmakers to make plays for him. Don 138 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: Tavian Wicks making a great catch on that to get 139 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: off one of those early scores. 140 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Jordan Love was outstanding in this game 141 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: when you factor in as you mentioned before, Watson was 142 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: not back, Jayden Reid had to miss the game. Obviously, 143 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave was not back. The big thing, the big 144 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: boost that this offense got was the old Aaron Jones, 145 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, borderline, workhorse type of type of running back. 146 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: And I know Mattle Floyd talked about he was running 147 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: out of gas a little bit at the end of 148 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: the game, which is why you know, on a couple 149 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: of those those three and outs in the fourth quarter. 150 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: I think if jones tank hadn't been quite so close 151 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: to empty, maybe the Packers were able to grind out 152 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: and do something a little bit more on offense there. 153 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: But Jones with the twenty one carries one hundred and 154 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: twenty seven yards also had an eight yard reception early 155 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: in the game, so one hundred and thirty five yards 156 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: from scrimmage. You can't overstate how important he is to 157 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: the offense and how important he was to Jordan Love 158 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: in a game where so many, so many of the 159 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: other weapons were missing. 160 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: I wrote my sidebar, which we call Keys of the Game, 161 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: which you can still read on Packers dot com if 162 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: you're still there so willing to do so. And the 163 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: big thing on that was Jones and Dobbs. And this 164 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: came later in the game, after all that production that 165 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: Jones had early on, but Dobbs went up to him 166 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: and he said, hey, we got to make a play, 167 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: And it was at that moment that Green Bay was 168 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: needing a response. The game is thirty to thirty. I 169 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: looked at this game as something that Aaron Jones started 170 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: in Romeo Dobbs finished in the first half eighty nine 171 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: rushing yards for Jones only thirteen receiving yards one catch 172 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: for Dobbs in the first half. Second half, he ends 173 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: up having three more catches, finishes with seventy nine yards, 174 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: gets a touchdown pass on kind of that quick out, 175 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: that sprint out that kept the momentum going for them there. 176 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: But then the thirty six yard reception down the sideline. 177 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: I know there was some controversy about it. I know 178 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: Adam Thielen felt some type of way about it down 179 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: in Carolina, But the fact of the matter is the 180 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: longest catch of Romeo Dobbs' career and when the Packers. 181 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: For as much as we've talked this season, Mike about 182 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: rookies in unexpected contributions, guys stepping up at some point, 183 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: if you're going to make a playoff push, you need 184 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: your stars, you need your stable, you need your constants. Yeah, 185 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: and I don't think over the last two years there's 186 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: probably any two bigger constants right now than Romeo Dobbs 187 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: and Aaron Jones. That is your workhorse. That is where 188 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: you go to. That for Jordan is where the experience 189 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: comes from. Despite the fact Romeo's only twenty three it's 190 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: the guys that have seen the most ball at this point. 191 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: And that's what impressed me about this game. For as 192 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: many times as I've written in our sidebars and we've 193 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: talked about these young guys who have stepped up, this 194 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: game came back to the guys that have been around, 195 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: that have been there, that have done that, and they 196 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: made the plays when they need to be made. 197 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I know the Packers have a lot 198 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: to sort out on the defensive side of the ball 199 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: with what is going on. They turned over the cornerback 200 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: spots to Jay r Alexander and Eric Stokes in this 201 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: game when they'd been running for quite a while with 202 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: Carrington Valentine and Corey Ballentine, so there was a change 203 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: up there. There was obviously a more aggressive approach with 204 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the pass rush. There was more blitzing, particularly early in 205 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: the game. I think Carolina adjusted to that. Bryce Young 206 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: started to get the ball out of his hands at 207 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: a little bit Quicker also started to bolt the pocket 208 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: a little bit sooner when he felt that pressure coming in. 209 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, you know we're not going to 210 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: sit here and discuss whatever it is that Matt Lafleur 211 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: is a value waiting in decisions that he's going to 212 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: going to ultimately make. But this was a good example, 213 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: even though it was at the packers expense, and we've 214 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: seen it at the Packers' expense over the last few weeks. 215 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: There is no substitute for a player in this league 216 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: getting a jolt of confidence, and we saw it from 217 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Bryce Young. He is a rookie quarterback, number one overall pick, 218 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: a team that that you know, by and larger shouldn't 219 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: say a team because they've had a defense that's been 220 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: pretty solid this year, but an offense in general that 221 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: was in a rebuilding mode in Carolina, not an offense 222 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: that's ready for a rookie quarterback to just step in 223 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: and run things. So there, you know, have been all 224 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: kinds of struggles throughout the year. But once Bryce Young 225 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: started feeling it, man, he I mean, whatever had happened 226 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: in the previous fourteen games this season went right out 227 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: the window because he'd looked like the Heisman Trophy winner. 228 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: He'd looked like the number one overall pick. When guys, 229 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: when guys get that, when guys get that jolt of 230 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: confidence in this league, it's really you have to try 231 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: to do something to take it away. You have to 232 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: try to flip the momentum back. The Packers weren't able 233 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: to do that. Whether it's whether it's Baker Mayfield, who 234 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: is an accomplished quarterback in this league, a guy who's 235 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: gotten his team to the playoffs and won a playoff 236 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: game and another stop in his career, then started hopping 237 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: around to different teams. He started to get the he 238 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: started to feel that level of confidence and he got 239 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: rolling and the Packers weren't able to stop it. And 240 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: Bryce Young did the same thing. It took him to 241 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter for him, but once he started doing that, 242 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, fortunately the Panthers ran out of time on 243 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: the final drive because if they'd been able to kick 244 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: a field goal there wes I said it an insider inbox, 245 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: it felt like that if they kicked the field goal 246 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: and tie the game and it goes to overtime, it 247 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: felt like the only way the Packers were going to 248 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: win that game is to win the toss in overtime 249 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: and go down and score a touchdown and not let 250 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: Bryce Young touch the ball again because the Packers just 251 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: weren't stopping him. 252 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the weird thing about it is when I was 253 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: watching this game and then you know, even getting a 254 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: chance to go back and let read get it again 255 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: in real time, I could see. I mean that first 256 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: quarter was rough for Young. Yes, there was no touch 257 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: on his passes, didn't seem like there was much on 258 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: the pass as either. He just looked unsure, he looked mechanical. 259 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he was. I think he was 260 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: caught off guard by the aggressive approach with the pass 261 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: rush that the Packers were sending a fifth, sometimes a 262 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: sixth rusher in certain instances. He didn't react very well 263 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: and his passes were off the mark, and but he 264 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: settled down their offense as a whole adjusted to it. 265 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: The Packers really didn't have a CounterPunch to knock that 266 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: momentum back the other way once it started going the 267 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: wrong direction. 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Young made a couple plays early in that 269 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: second quarter that I think can directly be attributed to 270 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: him gaining some of that confidence too, because in those 271 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: moments he was making something where there may be was 272 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: nothing to be made of. I think there was a 273 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 2: one pass he had a DJ Shark definitely. Tremble ended 274 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: up being a guy that he was able to have 275 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: a sort of an outlier, a guy he could look 276 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: for and feel confident in his throws with. And once 277 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: he started making some tougher throws, that's when it seemed 278 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: like in the second half things started to get easier 279 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: for him. He started to make the things that are 280 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: based more on getting the ball out, playing on time, 281 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: seeing what green Bay's giving you, an adjusting to that. 282 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter, he was nothing short of exceptional. 283 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: I think green Bay again, whatever the reason is, kind 284 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: of fell back into those doldrums of way too much space, 285 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: way too much uncontested catches and guys like Adam Feelin. 286 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 2: I mean, dude, Adam Feelin Mike. I said it all 287 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: last week. I've set it for two years now. The 288 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: guy's well over thirty. Now. He is on the north 289 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: side of this thing. The Minnesota Vikings clearly felt like 290 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: they were ready to go another direction. I still think 291 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: he has a lot to give this game. Yeah, the 292 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: one handed catch, the snag he had on the side 293 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: that was able to bring up. What happened was Bryce 294 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: Young started making plays and his receivers started making plays 295 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: for him, and it no longer was okay. Well, they 296 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: got DJ Shark and a bunch of old guys. It 297 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: was no. I mean, they got some guys that are 298 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: going to step up and play for him in Green Bay. 299 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: As you said, that fourth quarter, so much of it's 300 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: going to be on the defense. Understandably so because it 301 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: went right up to that final second. But I kind 302 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: of took on a bunch of people in Insider inbox 303 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: that were like, well, why is Matt Lafleur throwing the 304 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: offense under the bus. There are a lot of people 305 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: saying that, and it's like, well, the reason he did 306 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: that is one, everybody has a part to play in 307 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: this thing, and two they weren't. It was going back 308 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: to early season Packers football, where it was the defense 309 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: was having these long sustained drives, opposing team was scoring, 310 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: and then the Packers went three and out twice. You 311 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: have to be able to lift up the other phases 312 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: of this thing. We'll see what this defense looks like 313 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: on Sunday. We have a lot of previewing to do 314 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: Mike and our content. But Nick Mallins just threw four interceptions. 315 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: The Minnesota Vikings aren't saying who their quarterback's going to be, 316 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: right the Grimmitt Packers, there's a very easy, clear blueprint 317 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: for what needs to happen here if things are going 318 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: to turn around. I think it gets back to taking 319 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: away the football, which they just have not been doing lately. 320 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with you there, And I'll say 321 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: this with regard I'll say this with regard to the offense. Yes, 322 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: the Packers had put up I believe it was the 323 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: first play of the fourth quarter. They scored the touchdown 324 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: with Dobbs and they're at thirty points one play into 325 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. But how many times have I talked 326 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: about it, Wes wins. You can't win a game in 327 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: this league in the first three quarters. You can't. What 328 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: matters is what you do in the fourth quarter. Now, 329 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: you can lose a game in the first three quarters. 330 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: You can play badly enough to lose one. It's very 331 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: hard to win a game in the first three quarters. 332 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: And the offense, for all the good that they had done, 333 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: the way the game unfolded and how you have to 334 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: perform at crunch time, the offense didn't get it done 335 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: until the final drive when they had to have it, 336 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: and they did get it. And that's what you hang 337 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: your hat on in this game. And then you learn 338 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: from what went wrong. On the back to back three 339 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: and outs that stalled what had been a really, really 340 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: impressive and productive offensive day against a pretty darn good defense. 341 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: And the other thing I'll say too, and this is 342 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: a credit to Chris Tabor. It's a credit to the 343 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: Panthers because they could easily tucktail and call it a 344 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: day and just focused on getting through the rest of 345 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: the season. It's not like Carolina came out and scored 346 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: immediately after that touchdown at Dobs. They actually end up 347 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: having to punt again, right, but Johnny Hecker flips the field. 348 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: Green Bay has to start at its own eleven, and 349 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: Green Bay's unable to move the ball after that play. 350 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: When Carolina got the ball to forty, that's where their 351 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: scoring started. So when you talk about complimentary football in 352 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: all three phases, serving as one, the Panthers did it 353 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: terrifically brilliantly in that fourth quarter, But in the totality 354 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: of a game, Green Bay did it longer and more consistently, 355 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: and as ugly as it looked at times, the Packers 356 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: did do what it took to win that football game. 357 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just goes to show how important crunch time 358 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: is in this league because if the Packers had let 359 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: that one get away, a lot of good on both 360 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: sides of the ball through the first three quarters would 361 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: have felt like it had all been thrown in the 362 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: garbage with the season going on out the window. 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Don't look now, 371 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: but the Detroit Lions not only won their first Division 372 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: championship in thirty years, they are tied with two other teams, 373 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: that being the Philadelphia Eagles and the San Francisco forty 374 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: nine ers at eleven and four in the race for 375 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: the number one seed and the only playoff buy that 376 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: comes with it. Those three squads eleven and four with 377 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: two weeks to go. As far as the wild card 378 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: situation goes, right now, you have the Los Angeles Rams 379 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: and the Seattle Seahawks both at eight and seven, sitting 380 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: in the six and seventh spots, and then a quartette 381 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: of teams the Packers, Vikings, Saints, and Falcons, all at 382 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: seven and eight, one game behind those six and seven 383 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: spots with two games left to play. And I know 384 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of math and various scenarios that could 385 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: unfold over these last two weeks because nothing is a given. 386 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: But for my money, Wes, and I know gambling is 387 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: illegal at Bushwood, but for my money, the Packers against 388 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: the Vikings on Sunday night is an elimination game. The loser, 389 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's lottery ticket time at that point. 390 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: If you lose this game and get your ninth loss, 391 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: with everything else that's swirling around in these two wild 392 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: card spots, you are barely hanging on, if at all. Essentially, 393 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: the winner Sunday Night in Minneapolis between the Packers and 394 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: the Vikings will still be very much alive, and the 395 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: loser is pretty much packing its bags. 396 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what happens when you're when you're sitting 397 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: at seven and eight. And I know a lot of 398 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: people but I'm month ago, we're saying, well, you know, 399 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: eight wins, and I think I was even among them 400 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: at one point, that might be enough to get you 401 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: in the playoffs. 402 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: But the Seattle Seahawks are the team that the team 403 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: that really changed the outlook on this because the last 404 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: two weeks now against the Philadelphia Eagles and then against 405 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, the Seahawks put together a length of 406 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: the field drive, scoring a touchdown in the final minute 407 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: when they were losing to take the lead and pull 408 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: out back to back games. And you know, credit to 409 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: Seattle because they've been on a losing streak and all 410 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they are the crunch time team when 411 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: they've got the ball last, and they've gotten two wins 412 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: that both games they were on the verge of losing, 413 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: but they got two wins and they are at eight 414 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: and seven along with the Rams. So that's where, you know, 415 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: the idea of finishing eight to nine and maybe sneaking 416 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: into the playoffs has pretty much gone out the window. 417 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting too because I would venture in 418 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: my own opinion to say the Los Angeles Rams are 419 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: a superior football team to the Seattle Seahawks. But the 420 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: Rams have to face the forty nine ers in two weeks. 421 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: They have to get through the Giants this Sunday. Seattle 422 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: just has to worry about Pittsburgh and Arizona. So for 423 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: my here's what I've been saying all week long. I 424 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: think I said to you. I know I definitely said 425 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: it to our supervisor, Duke Bober. All the Greenmay Packers 426 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: can do is worry about nine wins. They can get 427 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: to eight this Sunday night, you beat the Vikings, and 428 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: you could talk about that conversation for nine. I would rather, 429 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest with you, the Green Bay Packers 430 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: go nine and eight and take care of business and 431 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: miss the playoffs. Then whatever that was at the end 432 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: of last season where the entire table fell to Green Bay. 433 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: But then they. 434 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: Lose and then you don't. Yeah, you don't cash in 435 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: on all those breaks, everything fail your way to set 436 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: you up for a win to get in and then 437 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: you and then you didn't get it. 438 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: And that's not just about heart heartbreak and ecstasy and 439 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: all this stuff. It's because I look for the Green 440 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: Bay Packers, if you can get a winning season on this, 441 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: you get to the postseason. Fantastic, that's the goal. That's 442 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 2: an incredible experience. But this Packers team has the opportunity 443 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: to be in that same seat that the Detroit Lions 444 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: were in last year. Detroit did not make the playoffs 445 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: after they beat green Bay here, But if you go 446 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: listen to that locker room afterwards, you listen to Dan Campbell, 447 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: you'd have thought they just won the Super Bowl. Green 448 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: Bay needs to keep building because this is bigger than 449 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: just this season. But that's why I think, more than 450 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: any other year I've covered, I'm just so locked into 451 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: what green Bay situation is and then just once that 452 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: situation's over with, seeing where all the rest of the 453 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: chips have fallen. 454 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, for those who want to for those who want 455 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: to try to get the simplest handle possible on the 456 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: Packers playoff scenario, this is what it boils down to. 457 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: And this doesn't cover all the bases, but this is 458 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: a a very basic way to understand what needs to happen. 459 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Number one is the Packers need to win two games 460 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: to get to nine and eight. Then the second thing 461 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: is the help that they need, and what they need 462 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: is the Rams to lose one more, the Seahawks to 463 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: lose one more, the Falcons to lose one more, but 464 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: they only need two of those three things to happen. 465 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: So Rams Seahawks, Falcons two of those three with two 466 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: victories to get to nine and eight, and the Packers 467 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: should be grabbing a wild card spot. That's the simplest 468 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: way to just sort of bake it into your mind 469 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: as far as far as going into things here. And 470 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: of course the interesting part is with the Packers and 471 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: the Vikings playing on Sunday night, all of this, you know, 472 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: all the scoreboard watching will be, you know, going on 473 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon. You know what happens in the Rams game, 474 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: what happens in the Seahawks game, what happens in the 475 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: Falcons game. And so we'll just see where things are 476 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: when the Packers kick the ball off. But the bottom 477 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: line is the Packers go. You need to win Sunday 478 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: night in Minneapolis to stay in this hunt. 479 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: I think the part I find it's a little bit 480 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: funny too, is you got to play the games that 481 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 2: are in front of you, have to beat the opponents 482 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: that are in front of you. But one reason why 483 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: you can never sit here, and we've had two great 484 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: lessons the last two seasons of why you can't just 485 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: look at a schedule and say, well, these are the 486 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: games of Packers are gonna win, these games are gonna lose, 487 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: right because of how the season's gone. You can make 488 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: an argument that Green Bay has really lost to one 489 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: bad team with that being, in my opinion, the New 490 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: York Giants. They lost to Denver when they only had 491 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: one win. They lost to Vegas when they had Josh 492 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: McDaniels as their head coach. But all these teams have 493 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: been like five hundred type teams. 494 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: It's all been very much like Green Bay going through 495 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: lots of ups and downs where you look at, oh wow, 496 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: they beat them, and they beat them, but oh geez, 497 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: they lost to them, and they lost to them. All 498 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: these teams, I think, with the exception of the Giants, 499 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: all these teams have that same sort of ledger in 500 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: front of them as far as their twenty twenty three 501 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: season goes. 502 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: And that's why I just think this is so interesting, because, yeah, 503 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: we don't know how Sunday Night's gonna go. We don't 504 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: know how Week eighteen will go, right, and maybe the 505 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: Packers get enough done to get in the playoffs. Maybe 506 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: they don't. But Mike, my whole thing and you've had 507 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: to edit my writing here the last couple of weeks 508 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: is that the Packers get in. Man, that's a really 509 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: interesting football team. But they have to earn that opportunity 510 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: and that mission and that path, and we'll preview it 511 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: on Thursday. Yeah, that begins with the Minnesota likings. 512 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, one last thing I want to mention before we go, 513 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: and we will certainly preview in great detail Green Bay 514 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: and Minnesota on our next episode, which will actually shoot tomorrow, 515 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: since now the week is shifting back into normal mode 516 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: after the holiday on Monday. 517 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: Thanks Joe Man. 518 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: I just got to say, does anybody out there want 519 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: to play the Baltimore Ravens right now? 520 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: Goodness? Seeing the super Bowl? 521 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: Goodness, gracious, you talk about you talk about a team 522 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: that is putting it together and getting on a roll 523 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: at the right time, and they've still got one heck 524 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: of a tough matchup this week. They now they after 525 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: these games, they big games they've had against Jacksonville and 526 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: against and against the forty nine ers, these you know, 527 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: games over teams that look like they're certainly headed to 528 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But but then the Baltimore Ravens beat them convincingly. 529 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: Now they have to face the Miami Dolphins, who are 530 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: coming off of a big win of their own at 531 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: home against the Dallas Cowboys last week. And but boy, 532 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: I just you know, Baltimore Ravens are nine to one 533 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: in their last ten games. Their only loss in that 534 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: stretch is a two point loss to the Cleveland Browns, 535 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: a team that is certainly no slouch out there as well. 536 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: And I just I couldn't be more impressed because a 537 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: lot of people thought, when you know, Mark Andrews goes 538 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: down with terrible injury, a lot of people, oh, what's 539 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: that going to do to, you know, to the Ravens 540 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: offense and all this, Well it had, you know, no 541 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: offense to Mark Andrews. It hasn't affected them a whole 542 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: heck of a lot. And that's a credit to jarn 543 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: hark Ball, credit to the rest of those guys. The 544 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens right now are looking like the team to 545 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: beat in the NFL. 546 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: And credit to Lamar Jackson because they took away his 547 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: top receiving target for years and he adapted much better 548 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: this year without Andrews than some of these previous years 549 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: when Andrews has been unavailable and obviously likely factors into 550 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: that they've had to make the adjustments in the backfield, 551 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: but they still have Gus Edwards. I mean, the Baltimore 552 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: Ravens are an incredibly fun team to watch. And I'll 553 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: be honest with you, Mike, That's why originally I was 554 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: wondering whether or not the Sunday Night game would actually 555 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: get played with the Packers and Vikings or if they 556 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: get flexed out of it just because of Baltimore. 557 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: In Miami Miami. 558 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when you talk about this is the 559 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: beautiful thing about the National Football League, the way you 560 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: build football teams. Baltimore very home grown, very gritty. Their defense, 561 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: I mean Patrick Queen talked about it after the game. 562 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 2: I mean, they don't people don't want to play our 563 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: brand of football. And then you have the Miami Dolphins, 564 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: which is a lot of guys that have been brought 565 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: in with draft picks from other places, a lot of 566 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: guys that have a lot of speed, and you're gonna 567 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: have those two objects really colliding here. There's been so 568 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: many of these AFC matchups where I was like, boy, 569 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: this could be a potential you know, AFC. 570 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: Championship previous Yeah, playoff preview type of game. 571 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but here we are again. This definitely feels like 572 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: it could have that type of ibe because I think 573 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: when you're looking in terms of the most consistent teams 574 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: this season, not just in that conference, the Dolphins and 575 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: the Ravens certainly are at the top of that list. 576 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Well. We will look ahead in 577 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: more detail to the rest of the Week seventeen schedule 578 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: in the NFL, as well as obviously the Packers and 579 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: the Vikings from US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. We'll have 580 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: it for you on our next show, but for now, 581 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 582 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 583 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank 584 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: you for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.