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Speaker 1: Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've been

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Speaker 1: watching so much ball. We can recite that to Leah Boston, TJ,

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Speaker 2: On today's show, we're going to talk to two.

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Speaker 1: Time Olympic champion cyclist Kristin Faulkner, with whom we became

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Speaker 1: obsessed during the Paris Olympics. How did you pull off

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Speaker 1: that epic finish in the road race and why in

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Speaker 1: the world would anyone ever voluntarily do the Tour de France.

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Speaker 1: Plus WNBA Playoffs, Hedgehogs and more.

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Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back my little slices, Michez your need to know today,

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Speaker 1: Take it away, Mesh.

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Speaker 2: In WNBA news.

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Speaker 3: The Minnesota Links defeated the Connecticut Sun eighty eight seventy

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Speaker 3: seven in Game five of their semifinal series, and we'll

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Speaker 3: meet the New York Liberty in the WNBA Finals. The

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Speaker 3: story of this one. The Links took early command in

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Speaker 3: the first half. Turnovers plagued Connecticut, and Minnesota capitalized on them.

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Speaker 3: The Sun were also without the services of Marina Maybury

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Speaker 3: for most of the game after she stepped on a

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Speaker 3: camera person's foot early in the second quarter and sustained

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Speaker 3: an ankle injury. She returned briefly, but only played fourteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: At one point, Connecticut went six whole minutes without scoring.

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Speaker 3: The second half started off ugly for both squads. Many

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Speaker 3: didn't score till the five thirty eight mark in the third,

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Speaker 3: but once those floodgates opened back up, there was no

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Speaker 3: stopping Chryl Reeves team Nafisa. Collier set the tone for Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: pouring in twenty seven points, eleven boards, four assists in

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Speaker 3: four blocks. Courtney Williams added twenty four points and seven assists,

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Speaker 3: and Kaylen McBride had nineteen points and four assists. It

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Speaker 3: was a balanced scoring effort from the Sun. Dj A

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Speaker 3: Carrington led the way with seventeen points and twelve rebounds,

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Speaker 3: Brianna Jones had sixteen and ten, but Alssa Thomas was

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Speaker 3: held to a playoff low seven points. Collier notched her

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Speaker 3: fifth career playoff game with twenty plus points and ten

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Speaker 3: plus rebounds, and that's good for the most in Link's history.

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Speaker 3: She beat the record previously set by Sylvia fowls Oh

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Speaker 3: and she's now the first player in league history to

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Speaker 3: have twenty five points and ten rebounds in three straight

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Speaker 3: playoff games. My goodness, I'm turning into a fiend looking

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Speaker 3: ahead at the finals. The regular season series against the

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Speaker 3: Links is the only series New York lost this year.

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Speaker 3: The Libs also lost to Many in the Commissioner's Cup.

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Speaker 3: New York seeking the franchise's first WNBA championship while the

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Speaker 3: Links are hunting their fifth chip after a seven year drought.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, though, I low key wish Minnesota had

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Speaker 3: a little more time to prep before the first game

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Speaker 3: of the Finals tomorrow night. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 3: I need more hoops expeditiously. We're gonna be telling future

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Speaker 3: generations about this series, y'all. In other w news, it

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Speaker 3: should come as no surprise to anyone that Rookie of

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Speaker 3: the Year Caitlin Clark is good at more than just basketball.

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Speaker 3: In mid November, the Indiana Fever guard will teoff in

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Speaker 3: an LPGA pro am at the Anaica in bel Air, Florida.

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Speaker 3: Before the competition starts, Clark will also serve as a

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Speaker 3: panelist at the Women's Leadership Summit at Pelican Golf Club.

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Speaker 3: This move isn't too much of a surprise. When the

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Speaker 3: Fever got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Clark was asked about her off season plans. Her answer,

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Speaker 3: then you play some golf and that's what I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do until it gets and Indiana. Not including the

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Speaker 3: WNBA's Olympic break, this offseason will be the first time

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Speaker 3: Clark has had time off in over a year. Enjoy

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Speaker 3: Yourself CC in NWSL news, a little update on the

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Speaker 3: Angel City FC salary cap violation. According to friend of

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Speaker 3: the show Steph Young's reporting for The Athletic, the league

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Speaker 3: found out about acfc's violation when a former Angel City

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Speaker 3: After the initial report about Angel Cities violation, the league

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Speaker 3: disclosed whether any other clubs are already being audited. Some

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Speaker 3: business news, Alison Felix, Olympic legend in the the most

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Speaker 3: decorated American track athlete ever, is launching a sports management

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Speaker 3: told Variety, quote, I see Always Alpha as a chance

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Speaker 3: Game changing venture Felix is embarked on, but not the first.

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Speaker 3: Just a few months ago, during the Paris Olympics, she

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mish. We're gonna take a quick break. When

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Speaker 2: we come back. We take a spin with Kristen Faulkner.

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Speaker 1: She's a two time Olympic champion. She won gold in

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Speaker 1: She was the highest American finisher at the Tour de France.

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Speaker 2: I'm extremely jealous. It's Kristin Faulkner.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Kristin, Hi, thank you so much for having

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Speaker 4: me really excited for the conversation today.

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Speaker 1: I'm dying to get to Peru in that Alpakis photo.

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Speaker 1: Just it's making it get higher and higher up the

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I went hiking up the ski mountains there. There

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Speaker 4: Of things that I stayed active, but things that I

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's spoken like a professional athlete.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I did a lot of relaxing by just

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Speaker 1: So you won two gold medals in Paris, which is

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Speaker 4: So there were four of us. Two of them won

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the road race. I've been thinking

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Speaker 4: So actually it's funny because I've actually won quite a

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Speaker 1: Your story's pretty incredible. You were a varsity rower at Harvard.

437
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,119
Speaker 1: You didn't begin competitive cycling until twenty seventeen when you

438
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,399
Speaker 1: were working as an investment associate in New York City.

439
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to take me back to that first ride.

440
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,720
Speaker 2: What was the impetus?

441
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 1: What was the goal when you first got on a bike.

442
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 1: Was it always eventually I'll go pro? Or was it

443
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 1: just hey, let me get a workout in while I'm

444
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Speaker 1: not at the office.

445
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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely the latter. I had no expectations of becoming

446
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 4: a professional when I went to this first introductory clinic.

447
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,159
Speaker 4: I mean, essentially I had been a college athlete. I

448
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 4: really enjoyed the camaraderie of team sports. I enjoyed the competition.

449
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the discipline and the structure and challenging myself

450
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 4: every day learning a new skill that I could get

451
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 4: better at. And so when I moved to New York City,

452
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 4: I just felt like there was that part of me

453
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Speaker 4: that was missing, that team sport that had been really

454
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 4: a part of my life, my entire life. I had

455
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Speaker 4: done sports since I was six years old, you know really,

456
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 4: and so so I.

457
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Speaker 2: Really missed that.

458
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Speaker 4: And then also being from Alaska, I really miss being

459
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,479
Speaker 4: in the outdoors and New York is such a concrete jungle.

460
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 4: I started to feel a little bit claustrophobic and really

461
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 4: disconnected from kind of my childhood and nature and this

462
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 4: big part.

463
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Speaker 2: Of me to love the outdoors.

464
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Speaker 4: And so I remember I was on the elliptical in

465
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 4: the basement of my apartment. I had been on the

466
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 4: elliptical every day from Monday through Friday that week, and

467
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 4: I just remember thinking, Okay, this is not fulfilling me.

468
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 2: And anyway, like I'm so.

469
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 4: Bored, and I was missing the team element, I was

470
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 4: missing the nature. And so I started running in Central

471
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 4: Park in the mornings, and that was fine, but I

472
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 4: still miss you know, the team element, and I said, I,

473
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 4: you know, I need to do something else. I need

474
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Speaker 4: to join a running club. And so I found this

475
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 4: introductory woman's cycling clinic that it was happening in Central

476
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 4: Park and I didn't own a bike, so I borrowed

477
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 4: a friend's bike and showed up. And yeah, it was

478
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 4: really early in the morning. I think it was like

479
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 4: five thirty or six am, and I was like, you know,

480
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go have fun, try something new,

481
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 4: mix it up. I was so bored of my elliptical

482
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 4: and running every day on my own. I really just

483
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 4: did it to kind of mix it up and to

484
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 4: do something different.

485
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Speaker 2: You know.

486
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 4: I'd did class paths every day and that was indoors,

487
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 4: and so I went to this first clinic and I

488
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 4: just loved it right away. It was so fun that

489
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 4: the instructors were so nice and so welcoming. And you know,

490
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 4: I had running shorts and sneakers, I had a hand

491
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 4: me down bike. I didn't have any nice equipment, and

492
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 4: yet they were just so welcoming. They didn't care if

493
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 4: I didn't have the nice equipment. And I think cycling

494
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 4: for many people can seem like a very exclusive sport,

495
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 4: like there's gadgets, there's nice bikes, there's bib shorts and

496
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: bike computers, and you have the cleats and the shoes,

497
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: and it can be really intimidating, and I just remember

498
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: these instructors were so welcoming and not intimidating at all,

499
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 4: and so we rode around cones and I got to

500
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 4: know them. And I think the other thing that was

501
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 4: quite impactful at the time, which I didn't really realize

502
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 4: at the time, but the firm I was working for

503
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 4: had sixteen male partners and there were no female partners.

504
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 4: And so I go to this clinic and suddenly there's

505
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Speaker 4: these female instructors, these female mentors, and this whole community

506
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 4: of women, and that was actually something that I noticed

507
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 4: was really missing from my life at that point, and

508
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 4: so I just really enjoyed that, and so I went

509
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: back for the next clinic, which I think was a

510
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 4: week later. I started riding my bike in the morning

511
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: so that I could get better at the.

512
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: Skills and drills they had given us.

513
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Speaker 4: And then I heard it at the end of this

514
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 4: clinic there would be kind of a novice race that

515
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 4: would happen at the end of the month to kind

516
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: of culminate this month of early morning clinics, and so

517
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Speaker 4: I said, Okay, well I'll sign up for the race.

518
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 4: You know, I've been going to the clinic with these

519
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 4: other writers, and so I went to the race. I

520
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 4: think I got like third or fourth or something. But

521
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: I just at that race, I just found like a

522
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: community of women, and I really needed that. When I

523
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 4: moved to New York, I had, you know, at my

524
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 4: office with so many men, and I had missed the

525
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 4: camaraderie of a team.

526
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, these are some strong women.

527
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 4: They're working towards a goal, we're having fun together, we're

528
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 4: getting in the outdoors. Like this is everything that's missing

529
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 4: from my life right now. And so I think when

530
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Speaker 4: I started cycling, it wasn't I mean, I loved riding

531
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Speaker 4: on my bike, but it wasn't just about cycling. It

532
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 4: was about all the other things in my life that

533
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: cycling fulfilled that we're missing at the time.

534
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

535
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: So how quickly after you started did you start to

536
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: think about actually doing competitions and eventually going pro.

537
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: So Central Park hosted these races every weekend on Saturdays,

538
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 4: and I just started doing them. I mean, they started

539
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 4: basically the week after this introductory clinic. And so this

540
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: introductory race was just for the novices, and then as

541
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: soon as that was done, you could kind of enter

542
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 4: this pool of riders, you know, and there's Category one

543
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: all they way through Category five and Category five was

544
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 4: for beginners, and then if you got enough points from results,

545
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 4: then you can move up to Category four.

546
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Speaker 2: And so there's kind of.

547
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 4: This gamification of it that was fun and motivating for me.

548
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 4: And so I said, okay, well I'll do a Cat

549
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 4: five race. My goal was to win a race, you know,

550
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 4: and maybe I want a race I actually don't even remember.

551
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 4: And then my goal was to get enough points to

552
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 4: move up the Cat four And so I just started

553
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: going every weekend, and yeah, like, if I'm training anyway

554
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 4: in the morning, so I might as well go to

555
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: these races. You know. They'll give me some goals to

556
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 4: work towards, something to do on the weekends, and also

557
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 4: just this camaraderie of people. So I started attending these

558
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: Central Park races that were every week and just started

559
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: working my way through the ranks. And then I think

560
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: the following year, in twenty eighteen, so that fall, I

561
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 4: got a coach actually because I was like, I want

562
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 4: to get good at this, you know. I started getting

563
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 4: competitive and I hired a coach who would give me

564
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: workouts on the bike. And then in the spring or

565
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 4: summer of twenty eighteen, in the spring of twenty eighteen,

566
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 4: I started doing some regional races, like traveling a bit

567
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: on the weekends to just do some East Coast races.

568
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: And then that summer I did a race in Central

569
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 4: Park and it was like a very prestigious race where

570
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 4: people from outside of the state came to participate, and

571
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: I remember beating a few professionals and I was.

572
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: Like, wow, like this is this is cool.

573
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: And that's when someone first said to me, like, hey,

574
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 4: have you every thought about going professional?

575
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: One day, yeah, there.

576
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 4: Was this woman who had been a few years before me.

577
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 4: I think she was a Dartmouth grad. Maybe she was er,

578
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. And she had gone pro actually after

579
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: starting in Central Park. And her name is Evelyn Stevens,

580
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 4: and so people started saying, oh, You're the next Evelyn Stevens.

581
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: And I was like, is that And I started researching

582
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: her and I said, oh, wow, like you can be

583
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: a professional in Europe, Like this is a real a

584
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 4: real thing, and before then I hadn't really thought about it.

585
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: And then when I moved to California, I started going

586
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: on this group ride and there were also some professional

587
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: racers in that group ride, and they raced in Europe,

588
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 4: and so I think I just started being exposed to

589
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 4: these people. Yeah, were way better than me who had

590
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: built a life around it. And that was when I

591
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: started thinking, oh, maybe I could do this too, Like

592
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: I can keep up with them, I enjoy it, like,

593
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 4: and I just started asking questions like what is it

594
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 4: like to race in Europe?

595
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: What is the life like? Do you get paid?

596
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 4: You know, how do you make it work? And do

597
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 4: you miss your friends and family? Do you live over

598
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 4: there or do you just travel?

599
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: And as I learned more, I.

600
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: Was like, Wow, this could be something I find really exciting.

601
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Speaker 1: That's really cool, and it's really cool watching the Olympics.

602
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: How some people are like here's a video of them

603
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: at age two, just the first time they ever picked

604
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: up a ball, beat stick, whatever, And then there's you

605
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: that's like, well, I was out of college and I

606
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: was like, let me try this thing, and seven years later,

607
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm a gold medalist. Like there's a lot of different

608
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: ways to inspire people in a lot of different ways

609
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: to dream, which is very cool. I'm wondering, you know,

610
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: you would played a number of different sports, and then

611
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: in college it was rowing. Cycling is a whole different

612
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: world when it comes to the danger of the sport.

613
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Were you scared of crashing or falling?

614
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: Is that something that still is a specter out there

615
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: for you or how quickly was it clear to you

616
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: that you were.

617
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: Able to face the potential dangers of the sport.

618
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question, I think. So when I

619
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: started writing, I was writing in Central Park, so there

620
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: are no cars around, and so the only danger was

621
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: like running over a squirrel or baby bear. Yeah, maybe

622
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: running in you know, hitting out other cyclists if I

623
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: wasn't careful. And the team that I rode with they

624
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: were really good about teaching me some technique and writing

625
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: in the group, and so around Central Park, I remember

626
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: just like giving myself enough space between me and the

627
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 4: other riders, always having a bike light, and because there

628
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 4: were no cars, I was able to kind of get

629
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: into cycling in a very safe environment. And later that

630
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: year I was on a ride on the highway on

631
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: Highway nine, I think outside New York and I did

632
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 4: crash and I got a really.

633
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: Bad concussion and I went to the hospital.

634
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: And that was a really scary time for me because

635
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: it was my first really major crash and I definitely

636
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 4: had to see a psychologist after that, because I was

637
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: really scared about getting back on my bike, and I thought,

638
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: you know, every time a car zoomed by me, I

639
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: was like, is it going to hit me? And I

640
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 4: would have like my breat stake and away just as

641
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: a car went by me. And so I started really

642
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: you know, only going on really safe roads. I started

643
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: riding with a group instead of alone. I never rode

644
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: anywhere in dark, and so there were a few months

645
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: where I was quite disciplined about how I trained, and

646
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: it took me a while to really get over that

647
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: fear again to get back into training. And so I

648
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 4: think for me, I would say the first thing is

649
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: my risk tolerant kind of evolved as my skills evolved.

650
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: You know.

651
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: At first, I was in a very enclosed environment in

652
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: a social park. As I got better, I started riding

653
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: on roads. As I got better, I started riding and

654
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: bigger groups on bigger roads, you know, And and so

655
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Speaker 4: I think that was really important you know. And then

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Speaker 4: the second thing was just working with a mental coach,

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Speaker 4: working with a psychologist, and doing my best to really

658
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Speaker 4: overcome some of those fears I had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Tour de France would be particularly scary,

660
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Speaker 1: but also it would be literally the last major sporting

661
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Speaker 1: event I would ever do. Like of the things I

662
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Speaker 1: hate the most, I think bicycling uphill is maybe number one.

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Speaker 1: Like I just get off the bike and walk and

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Speaker 1: sometimes cry a little bit. I literally can't. It's it's

665
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Speaker 1: my least favorite thing in the universe. My husband makes

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Speaker 1: fun of me. We'll get to like a small hill

667
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Speaker 1: and I'll.

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Speaker 2: Be like, okiy, he said, use your gears, use your gears,

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Speaker 2: Like I hate it. Why do you do that? Was

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Speaker 2: that enjoyable to you?

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Speaker 1: Like the like also scary, like the hills and the

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Speaker 1: cars and the people in the mountains.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love it.

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Speaker 4: I mean I could say the same thing when like,

675
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Speaker 4: like if someone's starting a softball with you at a

676
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Speaker 4: really you know, fast speed for me not sing like

677
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Speaker 4: my hand my hand eye coordination is not good. I'm like, oh,

678
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Speaker 4: it's gonna hit me, you know, Like it's totally and

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Speaker 4: I think that we're scared of the things that we're

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Speaker 4: not exposed.

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Speaker 2: To and we're not good at. I just hate being

682
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Speaker 2: mad at stuff, and the things were not good at,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 4: Like I remember, I remember I was playing soccer in

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Speaker 4: middle school and the ball came at me and all

686
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Speaker 4: I had to do was like bump it with my chest,

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Speaker 4: you know, to like get it on the ground because

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Speaker 4: it was high.

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Speaker 2: Instead, I like covered.

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Speaker 4: My my hand my face with my hands and like

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Speaker 4: hit as if it was going to hit me. And

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting there, like the ball just floats right by me.

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Speaker 4: I'm on defense, and my team is like christ and

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Speaker 4: like what.

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Speaker 2: Are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Like your job is to like stop the ball, and

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Speaker 4: you literally just like curled up in a ball and

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Speaker 4: let it go by you. And it's because I was

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Speaker 4: kind of scared of it. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: at the time, I just hadn't been exposed to balls

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Speaker 4: being you know, flowing at me.

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Speaker 2: I was a swimmer, I was a runner.

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Speaker 4: I didn't do those smart and so I think, definitely,

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Speaker 4: you know, exposure in practice. I think this is a

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Speaker 4: perfect testament to training, you know, and practice makes perfect.

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Speaker 4: Practice makes you better, because when we don't practice something

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Speaker 4: and we're not exposed to it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's you know, very uncomfortable and not fun. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest so let's just do it more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got electric bikes in Italy and Tuscany and

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Speaker 1: we didn't understand the settings right, so we thought we

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Speaker 1: were getting help, but we just thought they were bad,

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Speaker 1: like shitty bikes, and it turned out they weren't really powering.

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Speaker 1: And I literally did want to cry the whole time.

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Speaker 1: It was a very hilly area and I was like.

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Speaker 2: I literally the whole time was like, how do people

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Speaker 2: do the Tour de Frants? This feels like the Tour

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Speaker 2: de Frants And it wasn't even very hard. Makes are

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Speaker 2: heavy though, I mean if you're they are well that

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Speaker 2: was the thing. It was like, you don't have helping

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Speaker 2: and it was heavy.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, if you don't have the electric boost, it's

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Speaker 4: actually harder than a regular bike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was still nightmare fuel.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of upward climbs, though, we had Catherine Bertin, a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine, on the show during the women's Tour

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Speaker 1: de France, to discuss the bad to get a women's

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Speaker 1: race added again, as you've made the transition from rowing

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Speaker 1: to cycling and now being at the top of the sport.

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Speaker 1: Has anything surprised you about gender inequality in the cycling world.

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely. I mean I could spend a whole podcasts

732
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Speaker 4: or ten podcasts about it. I Mean, the biggest thing

733
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Speaker 4: is just the disparity and salaries. I mean, the top

734
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Speaker 4: men making over ten times as much as the top woman.

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Speaker 4: I mean, a good woman might make low six figures.

736
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Speaker 4: The top man is making seven million plus sponsorship deals,

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Speaker 4: you know, and that's just crazy. And the same is

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Speaker 4: true with prize money that race organizers give out. Resources

739
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Speaker 4: on the teams in terms of equipment, nutritionist, medical staff,

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Speaker 4: strength and conditioning. Everything is just so much more well

741
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Speaker 4: researched in the men, the sports signs, everything. I actually

742
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Speaker 4: the team I'm on right now, the reason I chose

743
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Speaker 4: it is because I felt like it was the most

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Speaker 4: gender forward team and even on you know, the men's

745
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: salaries are still way higher on the team, but I

746
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Speaker 4: felt like it was good compared to the other ones

747
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Speaker 4: out there. Yeah, and so that's a huge thing that

748
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Speaker 4: is really challenging.

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Speaker 2: I Mean the other thing is media coverage. You know, the.

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Speaker 4: News broadcasters they say, well, no one watches women's racing.

751
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, well they do, but you don't. You don't

752
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: publish women's racing, they.

753
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Speaker 2: Don't cover it. Where are we supposed to watch it?

754
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Speaker 4: Like if you go to you know, GCN or any

755
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Speaker 4: of these streaming websites, the entire front page are clips

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Speaker 4: of men's racing, Like there's not a single women's one.

757
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Speaker 4: And so when you go to the front page, people

758
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: are gonna click on what's there, and then they're gonna

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Speaker 4: get more viewers. And it's like, well, of course they're

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Speaker 4: getting more viewers. You're only advertising the men, Like if

761
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: you advertise the women us the oldest time, like, we

762
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: would have more people watching women's racing. And so I

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Speaker 4: think that's really frustrating. And the media coverage has gone

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Speaker 4: a lot better in the last few years. You know,

765
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Speaker 4: when I started, my parents weren't able to watch me

766
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Speaker 4: race because there's no filming. They would film the men's

767
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 4: races and they wouldn't film the women's and so that

768
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Speaker 4: has gotten better, but the way that the coverage is

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Speaker 4: advertised and promoted is still way higher for the men,

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Speaker 4: and so it creates this perpetuating cycle, which is really

771
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Speaker 4: frustrating because I'm like, if you just you know, promoted

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Speaker 4: the women's videos, like, we would get more viewership, we

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Speaker 4: would get more sponsorship in those ads, we would get

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Speaker 4: more money coming into women's racing, and then we could

775
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Speaker 4: improve salaries and it would just end this perpetuating cycle.

776
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Speaker 4: And so yeah, so that's really you know, challenging. And

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Speaker 4: I think even even after I won the Olympic gold,

778
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Speaker 4: like I had all this media attention on me, I said, Okay,

779
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Speaker 4: I'm getting more media attention than the men right now

780
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Speaker 4: on these teams, and they're still making ten times as

781
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Speaker 4: much as yep. And so if the whole point is

782
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Speaker 4: exposure for sponsors and exposure for media, I mean you're

783
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Speaker 4: basically saying that a woman at Google should get paid

784
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Speaker 4: less than a man at Google for the exact same work,

785
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: in fact doing more work like better fitting the company more.

786
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Speaker 4: And so I think there's just these ingrained ideas that

787
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Speaker 4: you know, the women aren't worth as much, or maybe

788
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Speaker 4: they're content not getting paid as much, or that it's normal.

789
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: And I'm like, look, I'm actually getting way more media

790
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: exposure for the sponsors. I should be getting paid way

791
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Speaker 4: more than the men at this point, and they're getting

792
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Speaker 4: ten times as much as me. So I think, you know,

793
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: those things are challenging, and I will say it's changing.

794
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 4: And I again, the team that I'm on right now

795
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Speaker 4: is doing a really good job actually trying to bridge that.

796
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Speaker 4: And so it's not my team, it's just the industry

797
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: as a whole, and the way for sure.

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Speaker 2: Industry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my tip to you is to invite Billy Jean

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Speaker 1: King to come talk to all y'all because I'll tell

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00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: you what, in the history of women's sports, it feels

802
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: like she's the catalyst that everyone calls.

803
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: When they're on the on the brink of major change.

804
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Women's hockey, women's soccer, they all call up Billy Jean

805
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: and they say, tell us how you did it, tell

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Speaker 1: us what we should do.

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00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: How do we, you know, use our leverage to change

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Speaker 2: the game.

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00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: But you're certainly going to be able to help with

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Speaker 1: that based on all the success you've had of late,

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Speaker 1: which is really fantastic. So thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: talking to us. Thank you so much for sharing. I

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Speaker 1: love hearing about what was going through your brain and

814
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: all the strategy during during that first School Metal win.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again and good luck with whatever's next.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Kristen for joining us. We have to

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Speaker 1: take another break. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back, my little slices.

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Speaker 1: You know, we love that you're listening, but we want

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Speaker 1: that interview with Kristen, I shared that the Tour de

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Speaker 1: France would be the absolute last sporting event I would

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Speaker 1: sign up for now that I think about. It's probably

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Speaker 1: tied with boxing, to be honest, because I do not

825
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Speaker 1: want to get punched in the face.

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Speaker 2: Like I've got reach, I've got strength.

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Speaker 1: I think I would be able to fend someone off

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of an inevitability in that sport, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not into it. What sport or event, Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: the Tour de France, maybe it's boxing. Hopefully you have

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