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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. In this episode,

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Speaker 1: we have Douglas Murray with us. He is an author,

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Speaker 1: a columnist. You see him pop it up on Fox

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Speaker 1: News on the regular. His latest book was The War

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Speaker 1: on the West, which is excellent to actually have it

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Speaker 1: here on my bookshelf, and he's writing for the New

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Speaker 1: York Post and other places. Douglas, great to have you answer, Hey,

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Speaker 1: great to be on. So I'm sure now people ask

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Speaker 1: you this occasionally, or maybe I'm I'm making an assumption

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't. But how's this whole counter movement against the

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Speaker 1: War on the West going? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: How is our counter strike against the War on the

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Speaker 1: West at this stage? Well, it's much more developed. One

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Speaker 1: of my one of my self appointed tasks, I always say,

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Speaker 1: is to head into minefields and gleefully run across them

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Speaker 1: in the hope that other people can traverse them more

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Speaker 1: safely themselves afterwards. But I wrote about this a couple

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Speaker 1: of books back, in my book The Madness of Crowds

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Speaker 1: that talked about all the social justice nonsense. I said

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Speaker 1: that my self appointed tasks to do this thing that

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Speaker 1: a landmine clearer does. I go into the areas of

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Speaker 1: subjects that are really everyone's saying you can't talk about that,

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Speaker 1: and I talk about it, I write about it, and

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Speaker 1: I investigate it. And my hope always is that it

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Speaker 1: means that other people are going to do it after

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I'm by any means the only person

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Speaker 1: doing it. But for instance, all the stuff I wrote

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Speaker 1: about in the Madness of Crowds, I'm delighted to see

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Speaker 1: not least some for instance, the trans issue, it has

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Speaker 1: just become really picked up by so many more people.

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Speaker 1: When I wrote about this some years ago, people are like,

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Speaker 1: why are you bothering about this like fringe thing, And

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Speaker 1: it's very good to see that there's lots of energized people,

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Speaker 1: including a lot of energized parents who are who are

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Speaker 1: understanding the significance of what's happening. The Ladies book with

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Speaker 1: the War on the West, Yeah, is about this anti

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Speaker 1: Western movement, specifically the sort of antihistory movement in the West. Again,

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Speaker 1: I think that it took some people time to realize.

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Speaker 1: It took me time to realize what was going on,

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Speaker 1: that what we were seeing was a fundamental assault on

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Speaker 1: everything in our past. You know, the good as well

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Speaker 1: as the bad. It's like nobody nobody contra you know,

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Speaker 1: the Abram x kendis and thing nobody actually wants to

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Speaker 1: like not teach slavery or like not teach any child

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Speaker 1: anything bad about the American past. The thing is that

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Speaker 1: some of us were just like some of the good

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Speaker 1: stuff to be taught as well. And and again, I

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Speaker 1: mean I see, I see, particularly the last year, a

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Speaker 1: growing momentum of people realizing this. Everywhere I go across

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Speaker 1: the United States, I find beliegued but but nevertheless correct

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Speaker 1: Americans who who desperately are looking for a way to

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Speaker 1: defend the things we all knew until yesterday, and not

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Speaker 1: to have to go along with the lies that are

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Speaker 1: being told about our past, not going along with the

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Speaker 1: indoctrination of the children. And I think that to that extent,

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Speaker 1: the counter push, as you say, it's definitely underway. There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's no longer lonely in the minefield.

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Speaker 1: I can put it like that. Do you think you know?

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Speaker 1: You brought up the transisue And and it was just

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Speaker 1: recently someone showed me that there was a planned drag

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Speaker 1: Queen story hour for you know, the argument and I've

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Speaker 1: seen this with other things too. You've seen this with CRT,

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Speaker 1: critical race theory, diversity, equity inclusion in different manifestations where

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Speaker 1: the initial the initial talking points you get from either

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Speaker 1: side or along the lines of this isn't even happening,

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Speaker 1: why are you focused on this? Like? Why are you

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Speaker 1: so obsessed with this? Right? That's a constant refrain, and

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Speaker 1: because I think for a lot of people they think, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: the left's purpose because well, if just fewer if fifty

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Speaker 1: this does not happened, that's a huge victory. Right, So

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Speaker 1: they don't even have to defend it if they convince

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Speaker 1: everybody that it's not really happening where it's being exaggerated.

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Speaker 1: But with the drag story hour thing specifically, it has

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Speaker 1: become clear to me that the same one that you said,

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Speaker 1: however you know you would like to describe it. On

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Speaker 1: the left, it feels like the drag queen story hour

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Speaker 1: but different, similar in so far as they're just trying

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Speaker 1: to see my idea here, Douglas. If they can get

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Speaker 1: more and more parents to think this is normal, they

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Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, I'm as well as it

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Speaker 1: were quite well prepped for this because years ago I

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Speaker 1: wrote a book on immigration and mass immigration, the illegal

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Speaker 1: mass immigration movement into Europe, and it obviously resonated with

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Speaker 1: American readers among others. But I was used to this

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Speaker 1: rhetorical trick of the lefts from that book and from

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Speaker 1: the years I wrote about and studied and traveled and

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Speaker 1: followed the story of migration, because the left always said

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Speaker 1: the following things. They said, it's not happening, then it

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Speaker 1: is happening, but you should like it. It is happening,

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Speaker 1: it's revenge. So they would start out by just pretending

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Speaker 1: just not happening, and they would eventually end by saying,

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Speaker 1: it is happening, and you deserve it. It's like a

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Speaker 1: punishment for your past, a punishment of colonialism. The Empire

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Speaker 1: strikes back, they used to say, jokingly. So I've seen

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Speaker 1: exactly the same things happen in every other issue, from

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Speaker 1: the trans issue to the rewriting of America's past. On

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Speaker 1: the trans issue, they say it isn't happening. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see rt thing, same thing. It isn't happening, and

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Speaker 1: it should be happening, and it should be happening everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But it isn't happening anywhere, but it ought to be, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like this is the definition of

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Speaker 1: arguing and bad faith. Right. You're making the arguments in

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Speaker 1: defense of your position premised around there is no position

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Speaker 1: to defend because it's not happening. But also if it

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Speaker 1: were happening, it would be a good thing. It is

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Speaker 1: the ultimate around, completely circular logic. It's not really logic,

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Speaker 1: it's just circular um. But on the on the drag,

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Speaker 1: the drag Queen Story Hour was actually as sort of

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Speaker 1: as it were, actually innocent thing, which I'm sure sometimes

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Speaker 1: it has been akin to British panto, where there's a

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Speaker 1: reading a story. I don't have much problem with that.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that everyone is recognized as a problem

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Speaker 1: I was like, and again that comes up, and the

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Speaker 1: I've just seen it on a video, and they go, well,

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Speaker 1: they say, and it should be happening because it's an

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Speaker 1: ancient part of LGBT quia plus culture, which as we know,

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Speaker 1: has been going on for millennium in exactly this format.

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Speaker 1: And then row it onto the Americans story and you

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Speaker 1: get the same dishonesty. Look at what Nicole Hannah Jones,

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Speaker 1: at what people like her did. She and her editor

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Speaker 1: at the New York Times said we want to reframe

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Speaker 1: the date of America's founding. Then when some of us

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Speaker 1: said we don't like the sound of that, they said,

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Speaker 1: we never said that. What they did was they took

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Speaker 1: original website and silently, in a stalinistic way, changed it

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Speaker 1: so then they could go, ha ha, we never said that.

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Speaker 1: he then edited it. And then they say, we don't

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Speaker 1: actually want all children in America to be told that

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Speaker 1: America's original sinist slavery, and at the same time have

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Speaker 1: a project which says, that's precisely what we want to do.

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Speaker 1: We want to totally rewrite the Americans story, to turn

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Speaker 1: it from a story of heroism and success and courage

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Speaker 1: into a story of iniquity and vice and evil. But

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Speaker 1: then they pretend it's not happening, and also that it

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Speaker 1: should happen everywhere. You know. It's It's another thing that

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Speaker 1: I think this is a little it's a little controversial.

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Speaker 1: I love history. You love history, right, I'd read history

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Speaker 1: books and have my entire life since I was a

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Speaker 1: little kid. For fun. I just think history books are

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Most of the ones next to

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Speaker 1: my War on the West, which everybody should get, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I've got I'm just looking across. We've got Coolidge,

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Speaker 1: A History of m I Six Spies and Commissars by Roberts.

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Speaker 1: certainly and people say, but the Aztecs were such by

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Speaker 1: for with the mass enslavement, human sacrifice, child sacrifice anyway, um,

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Speaker 1: It's probably worse even at YouTube because YouTube always has

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Speaker 1: Google above it and like alphabet and they're basically telling

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Speaker 1: everybody we're the most powerful company in the world. Were

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Speaker 1: a virtual printing press for money, what are you going

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Speaker 1: to do to us? So they don't even care. At least,

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Speaker 1: you know, Twitter wasn't running an effective business. Google YouTube

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Speaker 1: there's still a printing press for money. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's important for people to see that the most powerful

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Speaker 1: tools of information dissemination and history were tools of straight

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Speaker 1: up censorship and authoritarianism and partisanships. Yeah, and people saw

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Speaker 1: this one by one, and you know, I said, during

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Speaker 1: the COVID period with the BLM staff, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's going on that The first the first rule of

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Speaker 1: the period, if one had one, was a very simple one,

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Speaker 1: which is don't go mad. Not everyone has followed this

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Speaker 1: piece of advice on any side, but broadly speaking, you

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Speaker 1: had to try to not go mad. Why were so

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Speaker 1: many people going mad because they were being force fed

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Speaker 1: things that weren't true and which they sensed to be untrue,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't know what was going on. Suddenly you

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Speaker 1: just get told all of these untrue things about things that,

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Speaker 1: as I say, everyone new till yesterday. Or let me

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Speaker 1: let me do it this way, go back twenty years

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Speaker 1: let's let's pretend we're at the beginning of the millennium,

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Speaker 1: where we've got the Internet. We've got this amazing tool

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Speaker 1: for social discovery form into personal discovery, of learning of

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Speaker 1: almost every book is free online, all news pretty much.

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Speaker 1: You just feel like it's amazing. You can you can

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Speaker 1: speak to anyone right on the other side of the world,

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Speaker 1: Like what good couldn't be done with this sort of technology.

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Speaker 1: You fast forward to twenty twenty three, and we don't

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Speaker 1: know what a woman is, and we don't know when

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Speaker 1: America was founded. In other words, we've got stupider. The

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Speaker 1: tools for mass communication and learning and the dissemination of

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Speaker 1: ideas have made us dumber than we used to be,

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Speaker 1: and there's a societal cost to that. And my hope

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Speaker 1: is that we're starting to see that cost rather clearer.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of things like the collapse of SVB and

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Speaker 1: signature and others now credits sweets. These were thinkable collapses

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Speaker 1: only a while ago, but you know they're not. It's

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Speaker 1: not the only explanation for the claps. But look at

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Speaker 1: what these these banks were doing. Look at it at

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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley Banks. Loan promises, it's promised that it was

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Speaker 1: going to loan more to minorities to get a more

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Speaker 1: equitable America at the end of it, I mean, anyone

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Speaker 1: requires that from the two thousand and eight crisis, the

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Speaker 1: idea that that Silicon Valley Bank had only one member

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Speaker 1: of its board who was competent in finance and that

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Speaker 1: the others were democratic donors and appointees. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I joked in I think, in the madness of crowds

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Speaker 1: that some day the bridges will fall down and that's

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Speaker 1: when we'll realize we don't have time for this rubbish.

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Speaker 1: Since then, I've come to the belief that if the

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Speaker 1: bridges do fall down, it will be because of systemic racism.

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Speaker 1: But the bridge are still up, but the banks are not.

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Speaker 1: The banks are falling and turn out to be, among

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Speaker 1: other things falling because they haven't had their eye on

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Speaker 1: the ball. They've been playing this stupid, unwinnable game of

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Speaker 1: the era about diversity, inclusion and equity and what's it

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Speaker 1: brought them. They pretended like everyone else, Like everyone in

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Speaker 1: the American education system, from Randy Weingarten down or Randy

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Speaker 1: Weingarten up, whatever way you like to think of it,

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Speaker 1: they've pretended the same thing which is that if you

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Speaker 1: do the diversity inclusion equity thing, the other side is

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Speaker 1: even better. It's much better, infinitely better, richer, fairer, everything's better.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere you try this, everything becomes worse. Yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: No one want to reflect on that. And can I

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Speaker 1: tell you that one thing that I saw as a

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Speaker 1: New Yorker, former New Yorker now Douglas so I got

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Speaker 1: to put the pressure on you, their chief. But as

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Speaker 1: a New Yorker, one thing that I saw that really

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Speaker 1: was troubling, and it was it wasn't just COVID, it

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Speaker 1: was that whole, that whole series of events where it

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Speaker 1: was COVID and then uh, the you know, BLM riots

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Speaker 1: in the streets, and then the rising crime and the

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Speaker 1: decay and the problems that were happening in cities name

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Speaker 1: a major city, had happened basically everywhere in the country,

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Speaker 1: with actually exception of a few big cities in Florida

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Speaker 1: maybe a few other places. And what I realized was

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Speaker 1: that the the Democrat response to this wasn't oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: what have we done. We're crazy, We're tearing down what

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Speaker 1: we have here is in the case of New York,

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Speaker 1: I mean San Francisco is like it should be paradise, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Los Angeles, these are places that

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Speaker 1: should just be and they have been in the past.

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Speaker 1: It's not like some theory. I mean, I talk about

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Speaker 1: how he used to watch Full House and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to live in a big house in San Francisco when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid like all that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you know the show. You're British, but you know

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Speaker 1: Full House is a big show and it's like our

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Speaker 1: Faulty Towers, but with kids instead of adults. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, now they've ruined these places. But the response,

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Speaker 1: and I know I'm kind of getting a going a

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Speaker 1: roundabout way, but the response wasn't oh my god, we

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Speaker 1: got to fix this right away. It was from a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, this is the price we pay? This?

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Speaker 1: Is this a more equitable society requires this suffering and degradation. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can actually, occasionally in private, get them to admit

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Speaker 1: that that's their belief, is that there's a period of

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Speaker 1: pain before the arrival of nirvana. Um so that for instance,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a story I've been following quite closely

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Speaker 1: here in New York about the migrant buses that that

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Speaker 1: arrive in New York, and the New York authorities don't

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Speaker 1: know what to do with the migrants, and they put

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Speaker 1: them up in hotels, and in the migrants do generally

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Speaker 1: trash the hotels or at least make them into not

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Speaker 1: so luxurious places as they were before. And whenever you

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Speaker 1: follow the story. And by the way, New York is

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Speaker 1: struggling with a few thousand migrants, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: now it's it's like forty thousand, right, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Forty thousand, Yeah, that's that's only I mean, if there's

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Speaker 1: a number of days of arrival into Texas across the

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Speaker 1: southern border. So you know, if New York can't cope

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Speaker 1: with a few days of illegal movement into Texas or Arizona,

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Speaker 1: then you know what, then there must be a problem,

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Speaker 1: mustn't there? Guys? You know? But but here's the thing

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Speaker 1: about about that is that they they recognize it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: They recognize that the problem is going to grow and grow,

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Speaker 1: and they don't come to any conclusions about it, such

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Speaker 1: as close the border or send people back when they

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Speaker 1: come illegally. Um, it's the same with homelessness issue. The

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Speaker 1: homelessness can get worse and worse and worse. New York's bad.

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Speaker 1: But as you say, Los Angeles, San Francisco, places like Portland,

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Speaker 1: places like Seattle, these are once very beautiful and noble cities,

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Speaker 1: and I've seen them in that guise not anymore. And

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Speaker 1: again in private, you can you can sometimes get the

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Speaker 1: advocates of this d I stuff to say, look, of

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Speaker 1: course there's going to be this churn for a period,

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Speaker 1: but it's worth it. And my argument is is my

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Speaker 1: repast is always as follows. Show me the one place

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Speaker 1: this has worked, and let's be certain it worked for

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Speaker 1: this reason before we roll out the same policy everywhere.

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Speaker 1: You know they can't point to it. I wish there

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Speaker 1: was more more effort spent for people in this country

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Speaker 1: to understand the recent history. You know, you talk about

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, you talk about something which you know,

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Speaker 1: I find the Soviet Union fascinating. I know you do

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Speaker 1: the history of it and how how could that have happened?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a remarkable intellectual, philosophical, political, and

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Speaker 1: historical exercise to see how a place could fall into

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Speaker 1: that kind of of of tyranny and spread around the

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Speaker 1: world in so many ways. But with the case of Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: especially again being down town in South Florida. People need

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Speaker 1: to understand that what really happened in Venezuela was social justice.

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Speaker 1: Rabble Rousers took over the country promising that they were

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Speaker 1: going to give a lot of stuff to people for free,

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Speaker 1: and they actually just enriched themselves. And this is what

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Speaker 1: always Communists are always rich, right, meaning the top of

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Speaker 1: the you know, the top of the socialist hierarchy, they're

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Speaker 1: always fine. They always do great. And they impoverished and

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Speaker 1: destroyed a beautiful country that was. And all the Venezuelans

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Speaker 1: you meet her, all of them talk about this, and

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Speaker 1: it somehow knows you doesn't get any you know. I

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Speaker 1: would love to hear AOC explain how how taking the

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Speaker 1: Venezuela approach to anything a city, of state, or even

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Speaker 1: all of America would be a good idea. I would

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Speaker 1: love to hear that expert Yea his very quickly. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's sometimes regarding how as a cliche to quote

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Speaker 1: George Orwell, but it's also often impossible not to. It's

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Speaker 1: a great story of George Orwell arguing with a Stalinist

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Speaker 1: in the forties in England, and George Orwell gets him

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Speaker 1: to admit that, you know, there's been certain excesses and

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Speaker 1: stylist movement, and that maybe the famines in Ukraine, you know,

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Speaker 1: weren't ideal, and eventually he considered the Communists. A Stalinist

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Speaker 1: conceives this. He eventually conceives the show Trials of thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: the mass ridiculous show trials which led to so many

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Speaker 1: deaths and murders, and the goolagg He gets this guy

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Speaker 1: to admit to a lot of this, and eventually the

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Speaker 1: Stalinist falls back on that worst defense of all. He says,

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Speaker 1: you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, and orwell replied,

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Speaker 1: where's the omelet? The same question is begging from Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: from every country which has tried actual socialism, where's your omelet?

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Speaker 1: At the end of this, because we only see a

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Speaker 1: mass of bloody broken eggs among much else, that's all

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Speaker 1: we can see Venezuela. To my Venezuelan friends, can't return.

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Speaker 1: Most of them, the ones who've left and settled elsewhere illegally,

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Speaker 1: they can't return for sheer safe reasons, to their country

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Speaker 1: of birth. This happened in our lifetimes. This happened in

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Speaker 1: our lifetimes. And it was the choice. This is the

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Speaker 1: crucial thing. This was a choice of politicians who were

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Speaker 1: put there by people who were badly, badly informed. To

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Speaker 1: put it in its mildest, Venezuela has the same energy

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Speaker 1: reserves as Norway. Norway has one of the biggest sovereign

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Speaker 1: wealth funds in the world. There is a reason why

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Speaker 1: Norway is Norway and Venezuela is Venezuela. And it's because

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Speaker 1: the Norwegians were more careful with their society. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: if we don't learn from that more for us, I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about your tour Douglas in Southern

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Speaker 1: campuses to close us out in your second but first,

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Speaker 1: a word from Tunalta Towers Foundation. Tunalta Towers Foundation honors

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Speaker 1: America's heroes. Ever since nine to eleven, the foundation honors

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Speaker 1: fallen and severely injured heroes and their families with mortgage

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Speaker 1: free homes. This yere alone, hundreds of gold Star and

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Speaker 1: fallen first responder families with young children in our nation's

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Speaker 1: severely injured veterans and first responders are receiving homes. More

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Speaker 1: than five hundred homeless veterans received housing and services last

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Speaker 1: brave men and women low since nine to eleven in

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Speaker 1: the War on Terror are having your names read aloud

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Speaker 1: in a Tuneta Towers ceremony in our nation's capital to

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Speaker 1: the Tunnel to Towers nine eleven Institute. The foundation is

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Speaker 1: educating kids in kindergarten through twelfth grade about our nation's

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Speaker 1: two T dot org. Douglas, you made a tour of

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Speaker 1: Southern campuses. Sounds like a lot of fun. Hopefully a

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Speaker 1: lot of Clay and Buck radio fans down there, you know,

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Speaker 1: carrying red solo cups with floppy hair, loving the re

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: SEC football teams. So tell me how was it. What'd

642
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Speaker 1: you see? Yeah, it was in the Carolinas and year

643
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and one of the highlights was speaking at the University

644
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: of Virginia, in which I've never been to for the

645
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: first time. It suppose one of the great creations of

646
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson. I was very struck by a number of things.

647
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Speaker 1: One was the extent to which America is just so

648
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: confused about its history and has been so badly misinformed

649
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: about it. And sometimes perhaps it takes an ostentatious outsider

650
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: to point some things out. But the way in which,

651
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: for instance, at Uva met so many people who genuinely

652
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: have been brought up to despise the founder of not

653
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: only their country but the institution that they're learning in.

654
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: The inability to get the past into a proper context,

655
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: to get historical figures into a proper context, the presentism

656
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: that is everywhere in America that if if people from

657
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: the past happen not to share our particular views in

658
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three of them, we must stand as judge, jury,

659
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: and executioner over them. This is wildly ahistorical, and it's

660
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: also presumptuous, I think. But I found a lot of

661
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: that was going on. And another thing I found was

662
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: the disturbing timidity of a lot of students. There are

663
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: so many. There's no shortage of smart students in America,

664
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, far from it. But there is a timidity

665
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: which has crept in because of the danger effectively of

666
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: putting out there things which I use the phrase again,

667
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: but things which we all knew until yesterday. If you

668
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: were to deny the lived experience of a fellow student

669
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: on campus, I hate these terms like lived experience, They're

670
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: more Marxist nonsense. I mean, what other type of experiences

671
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: there than a lived experience? I mean, I mean there

672
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: are a manage, right, it's to give it that student

673
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: scientific Marxist you know, yeah, shine facade over your lived

674
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: experience as opposed to your experience, Yes, exactly, you know,

675
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: it's it's more of the sort of social justice bunkum.

676
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you know, if you were to deny

677
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: the you know what contradictable lived experience of a fellow

678
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: student by doing something quite straightforward like saying, well, you know, okay,

679
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: we had slavery in America. Well everyone had slavery. I mean,

680
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: if you were to take that attitude, which is a

681
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: perfect reasonable attitude to take, you'd have to be a

682
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: sort of camacaze of a student to do such a

683
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: thing to say, well, you know, the African states that

684
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Speaker 1: were slaving at the same time as America was slaving

685
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: didn't stop when America stopped. They kept slaving. I was

686
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: in Boston the other day and I went to the

687
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Speaker 1: Boston Fine Arts Museum after speaking to some friends at

688
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: Harvard and MIT, and I there were some Benin bronzes,

689
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: which have become one of those corners of histories, have

690
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: become highly controversial. I joked to my friend, let's go

691
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: and see the Benin bronzes whilst they're still here in Boston,

692
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: because they'll probably be sent back at some point. There's

693
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Speaker 1: a big move for this sort of thing. And it

694
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: was so funny because I said to this friend, it's

695
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: so interesting that whatever institution you go to, whether it's

696
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Speaker 1: in London or in Washington or in Boston, and you

697
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: see these sorts of historic exhibitions, they'll tell you all

698
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Speaker 1: about the slavery of the American past. They will not

699
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Speaker 1: tell you that Benin was still slaving at the time

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Speaker 1: that the bronzes were being allegedly looted in the late

701
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Speaker 1: nineteen twentieth century. I think sort of things. Yeah, well, first,

702
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, you might have seen I was stuck on

703
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: an airplane for like almost thirteen hours recently, um on

704
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: my honeymoons I mean, there wasn't like tough duty. But

705
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: I had to find something to watch, so I watched

706
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Speaker 1: The Woman The Woman King, which is about a a

707
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: tribe in Africa, um that is actually notorious for being

708
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: a tribe that would enslave all these other tribes. And

709
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Speaker 1: of course in the movie, they're fighting against the evil

710
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, white slavers and this other tribe that wants

711
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: to do the slave but they're actually not. But the

712
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: truth is they were actually doing the doing the enslaving.

713
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Speaker 1: And you get no sense of that whatsoever from the movie.

714
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: You get no sense that the most well known slave

715
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Speaker 1: raiding African tribe of other African tribes is who the

716
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Speaker 1: movie is based on, and no one for Don't you

717
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: long for art and movies and and things that actually

718
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: trust us to deal with complexity? You know? I mean

719
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Speaker 1: I find it pretty hard to watch anything these days

720
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: that's that's just been made because of the sheer sort

721
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Speaker 1: of social indoctrination that's always going on. I just finished

722
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: The Last of Us. I wasn't sorry to see it end.

723
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: But this sort of apocalyptic drama, of course, inevitably tells

724
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: you that after a sort of apocalyptic virus in America.

725
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: The residual sort of camps of gun toting Americans will

726
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: be led mainly by women and mainly by women of color,

727
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: who tell all the men what to do. And well,

728
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: this is just sort of social indoctrination at this point,

729
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: and that's the same in almost all entertainment. I would

730
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Speaker 1: love to see a film that actually exposed the way

731
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Speaker 1: in which people like that the o Bar of Benin

732
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: slaved into the twentieth century. I'd love to see something

733
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: on slavery in the world today. I've traveled enough around

734
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Speaker 1: Africa and the Middle East to meet people who were

735
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: born as slaves. It's an appalling thing. There are more

736
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Speaker 1: slaves in the world today than they were at the

737
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: height of the slave trade in the nineteenth century. I'd

738
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Speaker 1: love to see something about that made by Netflix or Hollywood.

739
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: I'd love them to show the pre Colombian Americas as

740
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Speaker 1: something other than this Edenic paradise which was then ruined

741
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: by the white European coming in. Yeah, but they seem

742
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: to not be able to trust us with it. We've

743
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: just got to get this endless sort of indoctrination. That's essentially.

744
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Speaker 1: My problem with it is not just that it's untrue,

745
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: but that it's boring. Yes, well you would find the

746
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: woman king boring, by the way, very boring. It is

747
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: not it is not really worth and it's all about

748
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Speaker 1: It's like I said, it's all about the Dahomi tribe.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's also interesting because there's there's the

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Speaker 1: agoge are the female This is why it's so interesting

751
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, the female black warrior cast within the Dahomey tribe.

752
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: And and you're led to believe it these are basically

753
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: like the female Spartans of West Africa. Well they don't

754
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: deal within the movie. Is that a basically a minor

755
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: later on? I mean they tried to fight against I

756
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: believe it was French French colonial expansion and like a

757
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: minor French expeditionary force just completely annihilated them off the battlefield.

758
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, no surprise here, right, But this notion of

759
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: this this truly elite. No, they were an elite force

760
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: at the enslavement of fellow Africans, including women and children.

761
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: That's what they were actually, that's what that's what they

762
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: were elited doing. Actually dealing with other trained military was

763
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: not you know, they are not the Spartans. But again

764
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: the history. You're not allowed to talk about the real history. Yeah,

765
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: because because again of this stupid thing. You watch any

766
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: entertainment now, and there's always got to be the strong

767
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: woman narrative, because you've got to tell young girls an

768
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: American I think can hold you down. You can be

769
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: a tough gang leader if you want to be. You

770
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: can even be a bank robber if you want to be.

771
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: There's always got to be the strong woman narrative. There's

772
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: always got to be the overrepresentation of gays, there's always

773
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: got to be the the ethnic politics a bit into

774
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: the mix. And as I say, I mean there are

775
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: a few things that have avoided this White Lotus maybe

776
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: is one of the few, but most drama today you

777
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: can predict from the get go who is going to live,

778
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: who is going to die, who is going to be

779
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: the leader, and who is going to be the loser.

780
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: And you can tell it just by looking at frankly,

781
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: what chromosomes you guess they have, and what their skin

782
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: color is. It's very boring, you know, I long for

783
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: not being able to guess so easily how the whole

784
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: thing's going to pan out. You know, it's always interesting

785
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: to see how many people will jump at you for

786
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: saying things that go against this narrative without knowing the facts.

787
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: But they just know that the emotional impulse is supposed

788
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: to be a certain thing, right, So it doesn't matter

789
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: if they know anything about the subject matter. But so

790
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: ill when I'll say that we fought our first foreign

791
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: war because of the enslavement of white people buy brown Arabs, right,

792
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: that is what happened. When I say we fought our

793
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: first foreign war, people will you will see, especially if

794
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: you stay it around you know, college college a ttraticals. Oh,

795
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: that's such a lie, And it's not. It is one

796
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: hundred percent true. So it is. It is as as

797
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: true as anything that we can know in our history.

798
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: But people don't like to hear it. I'd ask you this,

799
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: how many of the I mean were so were you

800
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: giving speeches up on stage and taking Q and A

801
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: basically at some of these campuses? Yeah, did you ever

802
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: bring up I'm just wondering, did you ever bring up

803
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: in the discussions about um just giving a full picture

804
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: of slavery and the history around it, and history that

805
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: is just true. Slavery is evil. You agree, I agree,

806
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: everybody agrees slavery is evil. Was there ever any mentioned though,

807
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: or do you think they would even allow you to

808
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: mention that there were freed blacks who owned slaves in

809
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: the American South? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, It's a point point

810
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: I try to bring up with some regularity. Um, it's

811
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: very it's a very important detail. Um. And it's not

812
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: a small one actually either. The numbers are pretty significant. Um.

813
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: The I'm deeply concerned about the Countess story that is

814
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: being being told about America because I think it is

815
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: making people racist about against white people, which is as

816
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: evil as it would be if you invented a narrative

817
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: that made racism easier to express against black people or

818
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: anyone else. I think that racism is evil every which

819
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: way it's pointed. And I think that this particular form

820
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: of racism is only white people can do bad. And therefore,

821
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: if the white people shut up or dial it down

822
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: or do less in their lives, you know, hand over

823
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: the microphon all this sort of nonsense you hear, then

824
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: you know that's that's that's where we'll get to the good.

825
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: And here's here's my real worry about this. As a society.

826
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: It is incredibly important that America remains dominant and competitive

827
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. We know that if it doesn't,

828
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: there are others, mainly China, who will step into into

829
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: that role. China is obviously trying to do that on

830
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: the national stage at the moment it sees an opening

831
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: and it's trying to seize it. It will try to

832
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: do it on every stage. Here's the thing. Most of us,

833
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: I think, from right and left, if we take away

834
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: the crassness of parts of both sides, pretty much agree

835
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: that what we want is for America to be highly competitive,

836
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: and for America to be highly competitive, Americans should be

837
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: freed up to achieve whatever they can achieve in their

838
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: lives and use their talents the best of their abilities.

839
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. If we said except women, then

840
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: first of all, you would say, well, that's kind of bigoted.

841
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: But secondly, you say, why would you want to hold

842
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: back half of the population from achieving stuff? That's madness.

843
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: What if you said, we want to hold back Hispanics

844
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: from doing stuff Hispanic Americans, why would you do that?

845
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: These would be bad ideas. The worst idea of all

846
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: is to try to hold back your majority population from

847
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: achieving whatever they can achieve by marking people down because

848
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: they're white for university entry and other things, by telling

849
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: them to shut up in their lives, by telling them

850
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: that they've got to hand over the space the people

851
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: of other ethnicities or other sexualities or sexual orientations or whatever.

852
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: If America is going to succeed in the twenty first century,

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Speaker 1: and all freedom around the world relies on it, on this,

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Speaker 1: all three societies around the world rely on America remaining dominant.

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Speaker 1: The Americas to remain dominant, it has to be competitive

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Speaker 1: in every field, and for that to happen, absolutely, everybody

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Speaker 1: has to have the best opportunities they can to fulfill

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Speaker 1: their potential in this life. To demoralize the majority of

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Speaker 1: the population, To tell men that they are trash, to

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Speaker 1: tell white people that they are guilty from birth by

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Speaker 1: dint of being white. All of these things are profound evils.

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Speaker 1: And what's more, they are going to diminish the ability

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Speaker 1: of people in America to achieve what they should achieve.

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Speaker 1: So it is a simple suicide. Note that the Left

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Speaker 1: is offering us, and I suggest very very strongly as

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Speaker 1: an interloper, that we don't accept their invitation. Dougas before

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Speaker 1: I let you go, I often get people who ask

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Speaker 1: after a conversation like this, will give us something, give

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Speaker 1: us some takeaways, and usually it's give us some books.

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Speaker 1: In the realm of big name historians right now, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: even in the biography side, as you know, there are

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Speaker 1: not nearly enough to say they're conservatives I think is

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Speaker 1: even going too far, but just just pure historians, and

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Speaker 1: there are more and more revisionist, leftist, politicized histories being

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Speaker 1: written all the time. If we were to just give

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Speaker 1: you were to give a few names of people for

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Speaker 1: whom you can read the history, and it's just damn

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Speaker 1: good history, and it's not actually history well done for you.

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Speaker 1: Who would be a few names that come to mind. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me circumvent that. I'm a great advocate of book reading,

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Speaker 1: but let me circumvented by making it even tighter suggestion.

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Speaker 1: I recently did a series called Uncancelled History. It's available

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Speaker 1: free on YouTube and on various other platforms, Spotify and

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Speaker 1: so On Uncanceled History, you will see me interviewing ten

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Speaker 1: leading historians on major historical figures who have been misrepresented

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Speaker 1: in recent years, including the wonderful gene Yarborough on Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: Alan Gelzo on Washington, Felipe Fernandez, Armesto on Columbus, John

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Speaker 1: horn On, Robert E. Lee and more. And each of

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Speaker 1: them are roughly an hour, sometimes a little over, sometimes

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Speaker 1: a little under. And I did it because I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get whilst we still have them experts in the

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Speaker 1: American past in particular who really know the subject, not

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Speaker 1: studies within the sociological aspects of but the facts. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get all these people on camera, and it was.

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Speaker 1: They were all absolutely fascinating conversations with top rank historians.

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Speaker 1: I can't recommend it highly enough. I learned a huge

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Speaker 1: amount from it, and I really hope other people do too.

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Speaker 1: I will check it out myself. Actually it is uncamp

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm gonna say, you stuck the landing

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Speaker 1: on that answer, buddy. I wasn't expecting. I don't know

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Speaker 1: where we were going, but bam, I'll get her nine

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Speaker 1: point nine uncanceled history on YouTube. That's just we have

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Speaker 1: to look for. Yeah, uncanceled history on YouTube. Everybody check

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Speaker 1: that out, and also get Douglas's latest book, The War

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Speaker 1: on the West, which I have read and I highly

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Speaker 1: highly recommend to all of you. Douglas appreciate you making

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Speaker 1: the time, and I hope you'll come back later this year.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a lot to talk about. I'd love that much.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed it, Thanks all the best.