Speaker 1: Suns on thirty fifth is next doors open on the left.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Everybody is well?
Speaker 2: I guess while he gets that figured out, Nick, welcome back.
Speaker 3: How are you yeah? Doing well?
Speaker 4: Been a busy couple of weeks, but it's been nice
Speaker 4: that the White Sauce are still relevant into June. Not
Speaker 4: what I was expecting. So yeah, not not too bad
Speaker 4: all things since there?
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 5: Fine?
Speaker 6: I guess frustrated like I don't. It's it's so funny
Speaker 6: as we start to have these conversations and we start
Speaker 6: to figure out, you know, to your point, like they're
Speaker 6: still relevant in June. We're still going through that process.
Speaker 6: But I I'm trying to gauge against like, oh, they
Speaker 6: are relevant in June and they weren't supposed to be
Speaker 6: and everything that goes along with that. So I don't know,
Speaker 6: Like I don't know how to feel about things. It's frustrating, right,
Speaker 6: Like it's frustrating to half weeks like this, where you
Speaker 6: can play Minnesota, play Philadelphia and it goes fine relative
Speaker 6: to maybe your original season expectations, but still aren't good
Speaker 6: enough long term, so.
Speaker 3: Right, right?
Speaker 4: And I think also the Murakami injury, like everyone's goal
Speaker 4: right now, These the fans that I talked to, they
Speaker 4: just want to tread water until he comes back. Hopefully
Speaker 4: you when he gets back here, still within a few
Speaker 4: games of five hundred on the downside, worst case, but still,
Speaker 4: you know, it's frustrating because the offense actually has been
Speaker 4: pretty decent since he went down, and it's the pitching,
Speaker 4: as the theme of this episode is the issue right now,
Speaker 4: So hoping that starts to balance outt a bit more.
Speaker 4: But the schedule is a meat grinder right now, So
Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks might be rough, but who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe we will be surprised.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 6: to play they the way they did against.
Speaker 2: Oh look who decided to join.
Speaker 1: Back the life of me?
Speaker 5: Do not understand why my computer just decided to reset
Speaker 5: the second I started, you know, doing my stick.
Speaker 1: But here we are, I'm I don't know.
Speaker 6: We were doing fines between the two of us, so
Speaker 6: we were considering not even letting you back in. So
Speaker 6: we didn't get far though, So if you want to
Speaker 6: just tell us how you're doing and intro us, go
Speaker 6: right ahead.
Speaker 5: Okay, I guess I'll just pop in and you know,
Speaker 5: catch up with where we're at. As you know, Jordan
Speaker 5: Lasky just fucking bodied me.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 5: I've had a that was a little hectic, but I
Speaker 5: guess it kind of fits into the fact that I
Speaker 5: went to Banana Ball yesterday and that was probably the
Speaker 5: most hectic sporting that I've ever been to.
Speaker 1: But besides that, I'm good.
Speaker 5: Hopefully this recording just keeps on rolling on, But uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know how.
Speaker 1: You how are you guys doing? I didn't get to
Speaker 1: hear how you guys are.
Speaker 6: Doing all things consider, we were just kind of baiting
Speaker 6: the back and forth of like the frustrations of this week,
Speaker 6: which we'll talk about in the Pitching staff, but also
Speaker 6: trying to balance it against well, did we even think
Speaker 6: they were going to be here in the first place?
Speaker 2: So it's hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean that's fair enough. Well, I guess
Speaker 5: I'll just pick up right where we were at.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 5: That is great to hear, gentlemen, We have quite a
Speaker 5: bit covering this episode, obviously, with the White Sox going
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Speaker 1: Believe that's correct, because.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing that we have gone four and fourth into
Speaker 5: talking more Kami's injury.
Speaker 2: That's right, it's correct.
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't count the day he got hurt,
Speaker 6: so four and four, Like, I guess we'll call it that,
Speaker 6: just putting asterisks there if that's what you want to do.
Speaker 5: But no, I think that's I think that's fair. You know,
Speaker 5: it's it's one of those tough things, you know. And obviously, Nick,
Speaker 5: I'll let you kind of jump into this and take
Speaker 5: the run on it. But so the White Sox scored
Speaker 5: five point six runs a game gone four and four.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that runs numbers changed a little bit with
Speaker 5: the final game on Sunday here, but the team's pitching
Speaker 5: staff has continued to be an issue. It's something we've
Speaker 5: been dealing with really all week.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's a bad sign when Brian Hudson's
Speaker 5: having it has a really bad run, because I think
Speaker 5: that's a sign that everybody's kind of struggling. But how
Speaker 5: do you how you've been feeling about what you've been
Speaker 5: seeing out of the bullpen and the pitching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Brian Hudson's the guy, but when he
Speaker 4: allows a run, I'm not even remotely upset for disappointed.
Speaker 4: It's like you can let in like five runs one
Speaker 4: of these days if you want, and you've still given
Speaker 4: so much value to this team that we weren't expecting that.
Speaker 4: Like you're in the clear, right, So the bullpen kind
Speaker 4: of is what it is. I mean, obviously Taylor and
Speaker 4: newcom and then you have Hudson and to Meingaz though
Speaker 4: the dependable guys. It is a little bit upsetting to
Speaker 4: see Tyler Davis starting to maybe show some signs that
Speaker 4: he might not be you know who he was looking
Speaker 4: like the first month or so, because he was a guy.
Speaker 3: Him coming out to nowhere it was really helpful.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's where Ben People finally gets his chance, Like
Speaker 4: maybe that's a move that has to happen. But overall,
Speaker 4: I mean, the starting pitching is to be concerned for me,
Speaker 4: because there's really not much you can do right now
Speaker 4: with Noah Schultz injured, Shane Smith injured, Tanner McDougal injured.
Speaker 4: Hagen Smith may be ready somewhat soon in the last
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, but he just pitched today on Sunday,
Speaker 4: so it's not like he's going to be starting against
Speaker 4: the Braves in that series. So you kind of have
Speaker 4: to write out the storm a little bit with Fetti
Speaker 4: and with Kay right now. Obviously Kay has been better
Speaker 4: this season overall than Fetti, but not by a huge gap.
Speaker 4: Lease in my opinion, I think Era is a little
Speaker 4: bit deceiving there. So you kind of have to weather
Speaker 4: the storm for the next two weeks and maybe hagen
Speaker 4: Smith joins the rotation in that time, maybe Noah Schultz
Speaker 4: comes back.
Speaker 3: But for me, the bigger blow is McDougall.
Speaker 4: I think McDougal would have been up like three or
Speaker 4: four weeks ago had he not gotten hurt, and he
Speaker 4: was the best picture at Triple A, and I think
Speaker 4: he's the kind of guy whould have a big impact immediately.
Speaker 4: So silver lining of that, of course, is when he
Speaker 4: does get healthy, it'll be nice to see him in
Speaker 4: the big leagues and I think he could be, you know,
Speaker 4: actually quite valuable right off the bat. But until then,
Speaker 4: we just got to kind of deal with it. And
Speaker 4: just see what happens.
Speaker 6: I guess you know we've talked about this a little
Speaker 6: bit too, when we've talked kind of the Rays or
Speaker 6: the Brewer strategy of either bullpen building or rotation building
Speaker 6: or whatever you want to call it. At a certain
Speaker 6: point it comes to where you got to switch up
Speaker 6: the rolodex of pictures again. You have to do something different.
Speaker 6: You got to try again with a different group. And
Speaker 6: it almost feels like you're starting to get there again.
Speaker 6: To your point, Nick, like Tyler Davis is kind of
Speaker 6: slowing down a little bit, not exactly showing especially over
Speaker 6: the last fifteen appearances, like what he may have been
Speaker 6: early on Tyler Gilbert. I continue to wonder how he
Speaker 6: gets the opportunities. But like I get, I get you
Speaker 6: have to continue to churn demingas has looked up and down.
Speaker 6: The only dependable name you've had to for for Will
Speaker 6: Venable is Grand Taylor.
Speaker 2: And and that's an inning here or there. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I look at it, and I wonder if there's an
Speaker 6: opportunity to start getting Grant Taylor more innings and like
Speaker 6: the two or three inning variety again, because this rotation's bad,
Speaker 6: like it's bad and there's no real reinforcements in sight
Speaker 6: when you have no Ah Schultz on the injury list
Speaker 6: right now and you have Tan McDougal still hurt. Hagen
Speaker 6: Smith might be on the way, but I don't know
Speaker 6: that there's a lot of different ways they're gonna have
Speaker 6: to kind of get funky with it. But again, you're
Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna have to try and get funky with
Speaker 6: it again, Like you can't continue to churn the same
Speaker 6: way you've been going because it's it's worked great for
Speaker 6: a while, but those teams don't just sit on It's
Speaker 6: time to try the next couple of names.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Now he's muted too.
Speaker 1: I'm just bat in a thousand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny because you know, I I started up
Speaker 5: my computer. I tried, like I uninstalled a bunch of
Speaker 5: stuff to make it faster. But uh, you know, the
Speaker 5: thing with this pitching staff right now is like there's
Speaker 5: not a lot of swinging this stuff over the last
Speaker 5: over the last week here, and this isn't including Sunday
Speaker 5: with the Phillies. Just because Baseball Reference love them to death,
Speaker 5: they're a little bit slow up bringing their stats up, but.
Speaker 1: They do do really good splits.
Speaker 5: We're looking at forty eight strikeouts and twenty two walks
Speaker 5: in the last six games with for four seven six ERA,
Speaker 5: forty five hits and fifty one innings credited. That's that's
Speaker 5: brutal like that, that is very tough to be able
Speaker 5: to get that out of out of your pitching staff.
Speaker 5: And it's even more brutal when you consider how well
Speaker 5: our offense has been been scoring. You know, a guy
Speaker 5: like Jacin's all comes up. He's been a he's been
Speaker 5: a really nice hot bat. Colson has had struggles, but
Speaker 5: obviously he's gotten it going a little bit more as
Speaker 5: of late. So really the only thing you're really looking
Speaker 5: at here is you can either you know, stick with it,
Speaker 5: go part for the course, just hope that this is
Speaker 5: a slow run, or kind of like you guys are saying,
Speaker 5: start kind of picking into the minors and bring a
Speaker 5: guy up and see if you know, somebody can get
Speaker 5: an opportunity here, because if there is a situation where
Speaker 5: we're not looking into buying at the deadline, our minor
Speaker 5: league system has to be utilized in situations like this.
Speaker 5: Guy like Eric Fetty was somebody that you brought up.
Speaker 5: Nick as our fifth guy. I think he's probably the
Speaker 5: least offensive to me right now, just based on he
Speaker 5: can eat up some innings and he can occasionally have
Speaker 5: a really good start. That's what you want out of
Speaker 5: your fifth starter. But when we're looking at the top
Speaker 5: line of the pitching rotation, we need a lot more.
Speaker 1: We need to be able to get more production out
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that needs to be a situation
Speaker 5: where Fetti needs a bigger role or anything. You know,
Speaker 5: If anything, Fetty's a guy that's gonna be on the
Speaker 5: outside looking in once we start looking at what our
Speaker 5: rotation is going to look like for the rest of
Speaker 5: the season. But we need more from guy like Anthony
Speaker 5: k just overall across the board. We need our starting rotation,
Speaker 5: and this isn't an ideal situation, so that's something you
Speaker 5: want to ask your rotation to do. But we need
Speaker 5: our starting rotation to protect our bullpen as much as
Speaker 5: humanly possible because.
Speaker 1: We're just not getting enough outs from them right now.
Speaker 5: Grant Taylor's great. Like Grant Taylor is one of my favorite,
Speaker 5: it should be a lot of people's favorite relief pitcher
Speaker 5: in baseball right now, just.
Speaker 1: Because he's absolutely dynamite on the mound.
Speaker 5: We don't want to throw his arm off, Like this
Speaker 5: isn't a situation where we're gonna have him carry our
Speaker 5: entire bullpen all season.
Speaker 1: We can't do that.
Speaker 5: We've done in the past with Garak Crochet, Michael Kopek,
Speaker 5: both scenarios that did not end up well in the
Speaker 5: long run.
Speaker 1: So we need.
Speaker 5: More from from our back end bullpen guys. We need
Speaker 5: more guys that can be able to eat innings. Brian Hudson.
Speaker 5: As as you said, isn't somebody that's gonna offend me
Speaker 5: if he has a bad game.
Speaker 1: But he needs to.
Speaker 5: He needs to bring it, bring it back to where
Speaker 5: he was, you know, because that was kind of the
Speaker 5: big thing, kind of keeping him in such a crucial
Speaker 5: part of our bullpen. So let's say, so whatever type
Speaker 5: of rotation I've I've hyped up Ben's Ben people. So
Speaker 5: I'm gonna continue to do that in every episode until
Speaker 5: we finally get him up here. Like I said, I
Speaker 5: don't know if he's just a really fucking weird guy,
Speaker 5: but at a certain point we need we need guys
Speaker 5: in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: We need different phases.
Speaker 6: So I think what it comes down to, is what
Speaker 6: you kind of alluded to the beginning to like, it's
Speaker 6: it's most frustrating because they're scoring like five or six
Speaker 6: runs a game, like they're they're playing winning baseball.
Speaker 2: Even against like the Phillies.
Speaker 6: Like, yes, they lost two of three, but their offense
Speaker 6: should have had them winning at least two, if not
Speaker 6: all three of them, right, like, Like, that's the frustrating
Speaker 6: part of it. And I and I think you partially
Speaker 6: knew that coming in the season. I don't think we
Speaker 6: were blind to that necessarily, that the off or excuse me,
Speaker 6: that the pitching would be the issue. The offense could
Speaker 6: certainly carry the club at times, given the pedigree of
Speaker 6: some of the names, but it is the break out
Speaker 6: thing too on top of it. I think that was
Speaker 6: maybe the thing I like the least about how this
Speaker 6: group ended up coming together is because there's no swing
Speaker 6: and miss anywhere outside of Grand Taylor and deming As
Speaker 6: every now and again, it's that's the frustrating part. So
Speaker 6: you're going to go through stretches like this. I think
Speaker 6: that's what it ultimately comes down to. Yes, it's frustrating,
Speaker 6: Yes it shouldn't be happening. Yes, there were other ways
Speaker 6: to potentially prevent it. Sure, but you know you're going
Speaker 6: to go through these stretches with this sort of pitching
Speaker 6: staff that's built less as your swing and miss type
Speaker 6: arsenals all the way from one through thirteen. Their ace
Speaker 6: is We've been debating for weeks now, is this dude,
Speaker 6: legit Davis Martin with six different pitches. That's just the
Speaker 6: type of team this is right now, It's going to
Speaker 6: lead to some pretty good highs and some pretty low lows, unfortunately,
Speaker 6: as we've seen these past six games or so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree with you both, but that's also
Speaker 4: something that I think could radically change between now and
Speaker 4: maybe even as soon as all Like there's a chance
Speaker 4: that in August all three of Hagen Smith, Tanner, McDougal
Speaker 4: and Noah Schultzer in the rotation. I know Sheltz didn't
Speaker 4: have the most you know, he wasn't like a huge
Speaker 4: strikeout picture in his early stint in the majors, but
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised that that becomes who he is
Speaker 4: more in the long term. Right So, yeah, right now,
Speaker 4: it's tough because Davis Martin and Sean Burke, they're decent
Speaker 4: pitchures having good seasons, but they're not like the big
Speaker 4: strikeout guys, And I understand why the can text your
Speaker 4: blowpen in the long run, but you might be having
Speaker 4: the opposite problem with someone like Hagen Smith, who will
Speaker 4: get the strikeouts to the cows come home, but I'll
Speaker 4: also walk the bases loaded every now and then, so
Speaker 4: there's a balance there. But I do think this rotation
Speaker 4: could look so different by the end of the year
Speaker 4: that someone like Davis, Martin or Burke might even it
Speaker 4: might be like a breath of fresh air to have
Speaker 4: their turn in the rotation and just have someone dependable
Speaker 4: who can get five or six innings of you know,
Speaker 4: two run ball in there with relatively low stress.
Speaker 3: At the same time.
Speaker 6: I think that's why we all call it, oh, they're three,
Speaker 6: four or five starters in the long term, like that's
Speaker 6: what those types of starters are supposed to be, exactly
Speaker 6: what you just described. I don't think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 6: It just becomes a bad thing when those guys have
Speaker 6: to be your one and two in a rotation like that.
Speaker 6: That's not what they're made to be, that's not what
Speaker 6: they're meant to do. And yes, it will look dramatically
Speaker 6: different with time to come. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: until you get there, like I said, there are highs
Speaker 6: and there are lows, and you're going to have to
Speaker 6: weather them. But again it gets back to Nick, what
Speaker 6: you and I said at the very beginning, like how
Speaker 6: do you weigh against None of us expected this team
Speaker 6: to be competitive in June with Okay, now that they're competitive,
Speaker 6: why are X, Y and Z things happening? Like there's
Speaker 6: a reason, there's a rational we can talk through, but
Speaker 6: it's what level of frustration are you willing to let
Speaker 6: yourself get to as you try and figure that all out?
Speaker 5: Well, And I think there's a scenario where a lot
Speaker 5: of the people who've discussed buying at the deadline, and
Speaker 5: you know, like I've said the past couple episodes, that's
Speaker 5: not really something I'm prepared to have any sort of
Speaker 5: opinion on quite yet. Like it's maybe that seems like
Speaker 5: I'm just dragging my toes here. But if we're going
Speaker 5: to be in a situation where we think going in
Speaker 5: trading for somebody at the deadline or trading for arms
Speaker 5: at the deadline is to benefit the prospects we currently
Speaker 5: have in this roster as far as trying to get
Speaker 5: playoff experience, What does it hurt bringing up a guy
Speaker 5: like Hagen Smith or bringing up a guy like McDougall
Speaker 5: of getting them just high leverage experience of pitching in
Speaker 5: ball games that matter, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 5: feel like it's kind of a similar similar what you're
Speaker 5: trying to grasp here. But instead of sending these guys
Speaker 5: out before we get a chance to see him at
Speaker 5: a major league level, you know, why don't we try
Speaker 5: to get them onto the major league roster sooner rather
Speaker 5: than later. I mean, Hagen Smith is a tough one
Speaker 5: just because of the issues he's had with walks, But
Speaker 5: over the course of his last couple starts, he's cleaned
Speaker 5: that up a lot more and he's I believe his
Speaker 5: last starready had it was uh I think it was
Speaker 5: nine strikeouts and he ended up having one walk in
Speaker 5: that game.
Speaker 1: And you gotta be able to find.
Speaker 5: A time where where do you want to continue to
Speaker 5: just let him build on that, you know, until the
Speaker 5: end of time, or do we want to just like
Speaker 5: try to make an aggressive move here with one of
Speaker 5: our one of our prospects and try to see if
Speaker 5: he can do it at the major league level. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's not like we're gonna have any shortage of options
Speaker 5: with him, So why not take a shot at something
Speaker 5: like that? And I think that that should have been
Speaker 5: the mindset with Noah Schultz, with how hot he's with
Speaker 5: how hot he started in Charlotte in the first place.
Speaker 5: You know, so if you're gonna kind of have that
Speaker 5: mindset and you want to try to get new guys
Speaker 5: up into this rotation because we need new faces, there's
Speaker 5: no ifans or boughts about it, especially in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: Why not try to get him up here, Just try
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 5: Him experience and see if if in a couple of
Speaker 5: weeks we're at the deadline and we're sure either sure
Speaker 5: they're not ready or there's something there where they could
Speaker 5: be ready here soon and they're moving in the right
Speaker 5: direction before we decided to make a move with the deadline,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. Again, it's just.
Speaker 6: You have you have to be you have to commit
Speaker 6: to that right, you have to commit to shuffling things up,
Speaker 6: and now kind of presents an okay time to do it.
Speaker 6: Like they're not playing great baseball. The bullpen has not
Speaker 6: looked great. There's only so much you can do about
Speaker 6: stunning rotation and its injuries and you know, figuring guys
Speaker 6: out from that perspective, but only these bullpen names.
Speaker 2: You need to continue to turn them.
Speaker 6: If Tyler Davis isn't working out anymore, you've got to
Speaker 6: move on like that. That's just how this is going
Speaker 6: to have to be at this point.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, kind of getting away from pitching a
Speaker 5: little bit, because honestly, we could probably do an entire
Speaker 5: episode just based on, you know, breaking down how bad
Speaker 5: every single every single pitcher in the rotate or in
Speaker 5: the bullpen's been. I mean, I just I guess I'm
Speaker 5: just glad when I don't have to see Jordan Hicks
Speaker 5: and just get constantly frustrated with, oh my god, look
Speaker 5: how well it pitch moves and look how fucking much
Speaker 5: he misses the strike zone.
Speaker 1: That doesn't look good. Guy that people have been talking about.
Speaker 5: And this kind of goes into people who have stepped
Speaker 5: up in the absence of Mutaka Murakamila Montgomery. He's on
Speaker 5: a on a colder streak right now. I said it
Speaker 5: kind of at the top of the episode. That I
Speaker 5: think he has stepped in and kind of like kept
Speaker 5: power in the lineup. I believe he homered in Philly
Speaker 5: on Saturday. I want to say I think I was
Speaker 5: actually a back to back with Gonzalez. I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I was at Banana BA on Saturday, so I was
Speaker 5: just kind of getting stuff on the on the fly
Speaker 5: from there. But Colson just has a really bad time
Speaker 5: to get cold, of all times. But it had to
Speaker 5: have been. It was kind of an inevitability. You know,
Speaker 5: col S Montgomery wasn't gonna stay hot all season. He's
Speaker 5: gonna have cold streaks. He's still a very young baseball player.
Speaker 5: I guess how worried and Nick, I'll let you jump
Speaker 5: right into this. How worried are you about Cols Montgomery
Speaker 5: right now? Is there something you you think this is
Speaker 5: something that's going to be enormed? Do you think he's
Speaker 5: just on a cold streak? Like, where where are we
Speaker 5: at with this lineup right now? With Cols Montgomery kind
Speaker 5: of being our power bat in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of it, and worried at all about him?
Speaker 4: I do think that on this the ideal version of
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty six wide socks. I do think he
Speaker 4: profiles more as like a fifth or six hitter than
Speaker 4: like the three or four guys. Maybe that's where some
Speaker 4: of the issue comes in, Like in a perfect world,
Speaker 4: Kyle's heal would be somewhere one through four, and that
Speaker 4: might bum Montgomery down, which is in my opinion, But
Speaker 4: this is kind of just who he is, right. I
Speaker 4: feel like we've all accepted that he as of you know,
Speaker 4: Mer two, he's an extremely valuable defensive shortstop who on
Speaker 4: offense will hit you know, I mean what he has
Speaker 4: like thirty seven or something career home runs already. He
Speaker 4: is not even a one hundred sixty two games, So
Speaker 4: clearly we kind of know who he is. And he
Speaker 4: had an interview a month or so ago where he
Speaker 4: talked about his hitting approach, and I thought it was interesting,
Speaker 4: because every hitter is going to have some sort of
Speaker 4: a approach at the play, general approach at to play,
Speaker 4: like right, whether it's sitting on a specific pitch like
Speaker 4: sitting fastball, sitting on a specific location, maybe some mix
Speaker 4: of both. He kind of made it clear in the
Speaker 4: interview that he he adjusts by the pitcher, but he's
Speaker 4: basically looking in particular spot and for a particular pitch
Speaker 4: depending on the situation, and that would explain why he
Speaker 4: has a lot of home runs, but also flame white
Speaker 4: swings and missus a louder might strike out looking sometimes.
Speaker 4: So it's a frustrating approach when it's not working well,
Speaker 4: when you have a runner on third and then one
Speaker 4: out and you need you know, a sack fly or
Speaker 4: a ground out or something. You just don't want to
Speaker 4: strike out. Essentially, that's where it's frustrating, because you want
Speaker 4: him to just put the ball in play, which, to
Speaker 4: his credit, he had a couple in the Philadelphia series
Speaker 4: where he had like an RBI single or you know,
Speaker 4: advanced to runner that kind of thing. So I get
Speaker 4: why people are frustrated with him because you see him,
Speaker 4: you know, not come through in those moments. But I
Speaker 4: don't get why anyone will be worried about his future
Speaker 4: or anything like that. But he's still having a very
Speaker 4: good season and this is kind of.
Speaker 1: Who he is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: If you're a shortstop and you're going to hit you know,
Speaker 4: a forty plus home run pace per season with great defense,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say anything negative about you. Like
Speaker 4: that's insanely valuable, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was quite the Banner Week for some of
Speaker 6: the Montgomery headlines, and I'll kind of leave it at
Speaker 6: that in terms of how in depth like O. But
Speaker 6: that's when you say, like, we've all accepted that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we have, and I think we've talked about it before,
Speaker 6: but I assume the larger White Sox community has not.
Speaker 6: And that's where this comes in, where where I get
Speaker 6: some of the frustrations. He's pretty brutal. I'm pretty brutal.
Speaker 6: Is not fair. He has about a seven hundred career
Speaker 6: ops with runners in scoring position. That's okay, but I
Speaker 6: can understand why, Hey, if he's going to hit four
Speaker 6: in a lineup, you'd want that to be better. I
Speaker 6: do get where people are coming from from that standpoint.
Speaker 6: You knew he was going to be a high strikeout guy.
Speaker 6: You knew he was gonna walk at a pretty good clip.
Speaker 6: Nothing crazy. I never like any of the body language
Speaker 6: shit that really bothers me. I'm never a big fan
Speaker 6: of that, but like parts of it I get, but
Speaker 6: also parts of it I don't get because I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know, what the profile is, right, Like theoretically, if
Speaker 6: he walked more, if he hit a little bit more
Speaker 6: average for a little bit more average.
Speaker 2: Sure, like, yes, but that's not.
Speaker 6: The type of player that you have here, which you
Speaker 6: have is still a very valuable player who does need
Speaker 6: to deliver more with guys on base. I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 6: with that concept, but I feel like maybe that particular
Speaker 6: point got taken and then everyone was like, well, I
Speaker 6: also have this complaint or that complaint. It's like, no, like,
Speaker 6: we've taken one valid complaint about Rundisson scoring position, and
Speaker 6: we've now blown this up to be anything I don't
Speaker 6: like about the current iteration of the team or Cools
Speaker 6: Montgomery or things like that.
Speaker 2: No, you took it a step too far there. So
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It worries not the thing maybe you'd like to see.
Speaker 6: We've talked about this so many times. You'd like to
Speaker 6: see someone of those backside base hits right, just staying
Speaker 6: a little bit more on the ball, through the ball,
Speaker 6: through contact, right, Like those things that aren't exactly sexy
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, but they play to
Speaker 6: his profile a little bit better in terms of you
Speaker 6: can live it a little bit more swing and miss
Speaker 6: when you do those two. But I don't know, it's
Speaker 6: fun to have these conversations again because like, clearly people
Speaker 6: are paying attention, but you're taking these micro I guess
Speaker 6: I'll say small sample sizes is basically what I was
Speaker 6: trying to say. You're taking these week to week small
Speaker 6: sample size and you're like, he's great, he sucks. He's great,
Speaker 6: he sucks, And that's probably what his career is going
Speaker 6: to be based on what we've seen so far.
Speaker 5: So I'm not trying to do huge callback here, but
Speaker 5: I do remember us having a discussion last year about
Speaker 5: Coles Montgomery when he was kind of having this power surge,
Speaker 5: specifically caused by the inhabit the Chicago Cubs, and again,
Speaker 5: we all thank him for that, but when he was
Speaker 5: starting to really match the baseball we were kind of,
Speaker 5: we're kind of taking aback because that wasn't necessarily part
Speaker 5: of his profile, but it was something that he was
Speaker 5: doing really well. So the White Sox continued to have
Speaker 5: him just try to hit white Tower power type of home.
Speaker 1: Runs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And it's something that up to this points worked insanely well.
Speaker 5: It's something that can continue to work insanely while moving forward,
Speaker 5: but it's it kind of people shouldn't have been convinced
Speaker 5: that Colson Montgomery was a complete player just by the
Speaker 5: end of last year, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And he was not a.
Speaker 5: Complete complete player just because he continued to have a
Speaker 5: pretty good start to this season. He's still a guy
Speaker 5: that's developing and learning who he is as a baseball player,
Speaker 5: especially in the batter's box. I had to pull this up,
Speaker 5: So I did pull this up on the fly. But
Speaker 5: this is something I was looking at on Thursday. Colson
Speaker 5: Montgomery this season. It actually comes down to a very
Speaker 5: simple thing. He's struggling against a slider and he was
Speaker 5: destroying sliders last year. I'm not entirely sure if that
Speaker 5: comes with his approach or what he's being asked to
Speaker 5: do on an at bat to at that basis, I
Speaker 5: don't know if he's being asked to be more of
Speaker 5: a power beat and trying to focus more on just
Speaker 5: getting fastballs and trying to crush him when he's seeing that.
Speaker 5: I don't know what that coaching side it looks like.
Speaker 5: But let's just take a comparison here. So last season
Speaker 5: against sliders, Colson Montgomery was hitting three forty five and
Speaker 5: slugging ninety sixty six. This season, he's hitting one fifty
Speaker 5: four and slugging four to twenty three. And this isn't
Speaker 5: some like, oh small sample size compared to big sample size.
Speaker 5: He's faced one hundred nineteen sliders this season. He faced
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty sliders last season. Now, I can't
Speaker 5: say for sure who these sliders are being thrown by,
Speaker 5: if they're being thrown by lefty arms or righty arms.
Speaker 5: But what I'm kind of seeing here is based on
Speaker 5: what his approach is at the plate and kind of
Speaker 5: seeing the pitches that he's probably being told to focus
Speaker 5: on or you know, he's focusing on. Personally, it's turning
Speaker 5: into him just not hitting sliders very well. Because he's
Speaker 5: done it very well in the past. I'm gonna give
Speaker 5: him the benefit of the doubt that Colson Montgomery can
Speaker 5: crush some sliders, but right now this season, it's not
Speaker 5: currently happening. And kind of where I've been with Colson
Speaker 5: this season is is you know, waiting for him to
Speaker 5: take that next step of being a more complete hitter
Speaker 5: in the in the in the box.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 5: Explains a lot of it, is he's not He's really
Speaker 5: struggling at the slider right now, and that's something that's
Speaker 5: gonna have to be a point of emphasis for and
Speaker 5: moving forward.
Speaker 6: One thing I think about too when we have this conversation,
Speaker 6: completely unrelated but kind of related. It's why I think,
Speaker 6: and maybe I'm still wrong, why I think Kyle Teal
Speaker 6: will be the more complete hitter of this group. It's
Speaker 6: still probably my personal favorite. Vargas has come a long
Speaker 6: way since I said that early in this season, so
Speaker 6: I might have to play second fiddle to him when
Speaker 6: making that country. But I think initially the conversation was
Speaker 6: Teal versus Montcomer, and I think that's still why Teal
Speaker 6: might just I think, be better long term. It's not
Speaker 6: that Montgomery is bad. It's not that he doesn't have
Speaker 6: a very very, very very high ceiling. It's just more
Speaker 6: so the well rounded piece of it. To me, to hey,
Speaker 6: to your point, Duke, if he starts to hit breaking
Speaker 6: balls a little bit better, or he starts to cut
Speaker 6: down on the striker right just a bit, we're talking
Speaker 6: twenty five percent instead of thirty percent, Like those are
Speaker 6: how you become a more complete hitter. I mean, at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, he's still not even a
Speaker 6: year in a big league service time, like he's got
Speaker 6: half of last year and half of almost half of
Speaker 6: this year, so we're almost coming up on a year,
Speaker 6: which is crazy to say about a guy who's had
Speaker 6: as much time or not had as much time, but
Speaker 6: had as much conversations given the amount of time he's
Speaker 6: had in the big leagues.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 6: Again I go, I go back and forth on it all,
Speaker 6: but I think I know the conversations around it are overblown.
Speaker 6: What I go back and forth on is like, what's
Speaker 6: the final product of version of Colson Montgomery? And if
Speaker 6: it is this, you're gonna have to be okay with it?
Speaker 6: Is kind of how I'm viewing it right now, because
Speaker 6: it's still a very, very very valuable baseball player just
Speaker 6: defense alone, plus what power.
Speaker 3: He gives you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's like, like you said, it's been
Speaker 4: almost a year now and a thick strikeout rate comment
Speaker 4: is valid for me, Like, what's the end product going
Speaker 4: to look?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: I would be totally fine if it's this current version
Speaker 4: of him. Ideally with a couple more personage points toat
Speaker 4: hunder the walk rate, like a low double legit walk
Speaker 4: rate would be better for him. Maybe that comes like
Speaker 4: with Duke was saying from better identifying the slider and
Speaker 4: laying off when it's coming down and in on him that.
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But overall, we're still talking about a shortstop who, as
Speaker 4: I just chat, his fifth in baseball and war among
Speaker 4: shortstops for on Fangraphs, So like we're really I understand
Speaker 4: why we're talking about it, but it's like, he's a
Speaker 4: great player, So I'm not upset at all by the performance.
Speaker 4: And again I can accept that he's gonna have frustrating
Speaker 4: at bats. It's just the kind of profile that he is.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's why it's unfair that he's the clean
Speaker 4: up pinner. Maybe that's not his role or shouldn't be
Speaker 4: his role, And that's okay because he's still a great player.
Speaker 4: So I think we've we've talked about Colson from such
Speaker 4: a negative lench, like negative framing, even though I know
Speaker 4: the three of us all agree that he's he's pretty great.
Speaker 3: So it's just been strange to see the vitriol for him.
Speaker 6: I guess it is, and I maybe it is because
Speaker 6: of the role he has to play right now with
Speaker 6: mooning out, and you know, this team probably still missing
Speaker 6: one more true middle of the lineup threat like maybe
Speaker 6: he is a sixth in the order hitter instead of
Speaker 6: a four that's fine, but this this team's missing two
Speaker 6: bats right now, one is hurt or both. I heard
Speaker 6: Marikami and Teal, So it's like, does he still hit three, four, five,
Speaker 6: and the best versions of this lineup?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe he does hit six and maybe that changes the conversation.
Speaker 6: Again, I don't know. We've We've done this with hitters
Speaker 6: in the past too. I forget who we've talked. It's
Speaker 6: like maybe Moncata is one of them, or like we've
Speaker 6: gone through so many hitters. It's like, for some reason
Speaker 6: and not for some reason, I kind of get it.
Speaker 6: There's these conversations about based on where this guy is
Speaker 6: hitting in the lineup, the expectations and the conversations around
Speaker 6: this player change versus just, hey, taking him as a
Speaker 6: two and a half win ball player through two months
Speaker 6: of the season and just viewing it from that lens.
Speaker 6: I think again, with the conversations around like runners and
Speaker 6: scoring position, things like that, I think if everyone views
Speaker 6: him through the lens of a four hitter or a
Speaker 6: three hitter, maybe that's how the conversations happen. But again,
Speaker 6: it's what does this team look like at full strength
Speaker 6: when they're really actually entering a season planning to compete.
Speaker 6: If he's still hitting four, okay, let's have that conversation then.
Speaker 6: But if not, like, how much does it matter?
Speaker 5: Is what it comes down to, I think, And honestly,
Speaker 5: I think having this conversation is a really good problem
Speaker 5: to have. I mean, it shows that Colson's shown heights
Speaker 5: where these expectations are starting to like kind of come
Speaker 5: across within the fan base, you know. I mean there
Speaker 5: were discussions when he was kind of on his hot
Speaker 5: streak there last month of him being one of the
Speaker 5: best short steps baseball.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that is part of it too.
Speaker 5: He plays such a premier position, you know, but people
Speaker 5: have to kind of temper their expectations. And remember, like
Speaker 5: we didn't sign we didn't sign him as a twenty
Speaker 5: eight year old established shortstop that we're paying three hundred
Speaker 5: million dollars to. This is a guy who at points
Speaker 5: last year we're scared that he was going to be
Speaker 5: able to hit major league in Major League baseball at all.
Speaker 5: You know, like every people having some meltdowns. My boy,
Speaker 5: aj Persinski's one of them. But you know, he'd probably
Speaker 5: be the first to tell you with how Colson's kind
Speaker 5: of grown, But it's it's a situation where you gotta
Speaker 5: temper your expectations. Understand that with where we are as
Speaker 5: an organization right now, we still have a lot of
Speaker 5: guys that are trying to find their long term role.
Speaker 5: Colson just happens to fit in his spot right now,
Speaker 5: especially with munatakamer Kami uh sitting on the shelf right now.
Speaker 5: So it's a situation where, uh, yeah, it's going to
Speaker 5: hit a point down the line where we're gonna want
Speaker 5: to see some of these things in per We're going
Speaker 5: to want to continue to see him move in the
Speaker 5: right direction. But I don't think this is so far
Speaker 5: off of where we thought he was going to be
Speaker 5: at this point in his career that I need to
Speaker 5: start being worried about, like him being on a downturn
Speaker 5: of the development, or him becoming a worse player than
Speaker 5: we're expecting, and that he's shown to be. So I
Speaker 5: think it's a lot of people really worried about nothing.
Speaker 6: So I agree with you, guys, that's what it comes
Speaker 6: down to, just like how far that's the ultimate question.
Speaker 6: It can be a rhetorical one for this show, but
Speaker 6: it's the one that listeners have to keep in mind,
Speaker 6: is how is this version of Colson Montgomery relative to
Speaker 6: what your expectations were? Like you just said, Duke, it's
Speaker 6: probably not far off from our expectations internally, and I
Speaker 6: think we agree between the three of us.
Speaker 2: But that's the ultimate question.
Speaker 6: Fans have to ask themselves, how far off of this
Speaker 6: is this version from your expectations? And then let's have
Speaker 6: that conversation about what the expectation was and see how
Speaker 6: realistic it is. Again, if the version is just this
Speaker 6: but a little bit better with Runderson scoring position and
Speaker 6: a little bit better with breaking balls, cool, I think
Speaker 6: we're on the same page. Then I'm not understanding what
Speaker 6: all the back and forth is on Twitter. But I
Speaker 6: still feel like the fact that we've had this conversation
Speaker 6: and saw it on Twitter enough because if people haven't
Speaker 6: figured out, like, hey, what you guys talk about on
Speaker 6: Twitter a lot of times finds its way into these shows.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 6: But it's like the gap feels bigger at least maybe
Speaker 6: it's a vocal minority.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: But that question that you pose right there, of how
Speaker 6: is this version compared to what you're expecting of them
Speaker 6: is really the ultimate one everyone has to answer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's you know, it's a situation where I
Speaker 5: still feel like, power wise, I think a lot of
Speaker 5: us should be shocked because it really wasn't a huge
Speaker 5: thing in its profile moving up, so again that feels
Speaker 5: more like a bonus. Him becoming a more complete player
Speaker 5: in the plate is going to be a great thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, you talk about White Sox Twitter las
Speaker 5: and bringing up things that are just ridiculous and don't matter.
Speaker 5: I think this is a good, good, good talking point
Speaker 5: to get into Jacob Gonzales because as and I'm going
Speaker 5: to continue to shout him out because he's done the
Speaker 5: best job of this so far. Pinos calling out people
Speaker 5: about Jacob Gonzales home runs is my favorite thing on
Speaker 5: Twitter right now.
Speaker 1: I genuinely just want.
Speaker 5: To say that because there are so many people throughout
Speaker 5: him getting hot in Charlotte all the way up to
Speaker 5: the day he was called up, even after he was
Speaker 5: called up, talking about how this power was just not
Speaker 5: going to translate to the major league level. He was
Speaker 5: not going to keep up this hot streak because he's
Speaker 5: not playing Charlotte anymore. Because every home run you hit
Speaker 5: in Charlotte doesn't count. As we all know, it's kind
Speaker 5: of similar to you know, hitting a home running Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 5: None of those counts, obviously, correct. So Jacob Gonzalez obviously
Speaker 5: looks pretty damn good for what we all thought about.
Speaker 1: What he was going to be here at this point.
Speaker 5: Lass, I'm not going to just sit here and pick
Speaker 5: on you just because I just happen to freaking absolutely
Speaker 5: nail this one. But you know, your opinion of Jacob
Speaker 5: Gonzalez last year, it was it was the majority, that
Speaker 5: was the majority. He was such a forgotten prospect in
Speaker 5: the grand scheme of things. We all thought he was
Speaker 5: gonna Everyone thought he was going to be just like
Speaker 5: one of those guys that was gonna sit in the minors,
Speaker 5: maybe get a call up at some point, and then
Speaker 5: we were just gonna, you know, come to our senses
Speaker 5: that like, why are we wasting a roster spot on
Speaker 5: this guy? And then he just turns into probably the
Speaker 5: most motivated batter I've seen come up from the minor
Speaker 5: league roster in a good while. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: if you just just look at his approach and the plate,
Speaker 5: have you seen a kid come up more focused and
Speaker 5: like at in a bat like the kids ready to
Speaker 5: just mash every step of the way. Nick, what do
Speaker 5: you think about Jacob Gonzales right now and the impact
Speaker 5: he's bringing to this lineup?
Speaker 4: Well, I like you was starting with me after roasting Jordan,
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, remember all this that you did or this is
Speaker 2: this is this Nick? You talk first?
Speaker 1: I would that's how this works around here.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm fine with it, and I will admit
Speaker 4: also that I'm I was similar to Jordan's opinion last year.
Speaker 4: I was basically fully like, yeah, Jake and Gozalez will
Speaker 4: never play in the Majors with the White Socks, And
Speaker 4: credit to him, he really changes swing this off season,
Speaker 4: started in for a lot more power and goes to
Speaker 4: show me that these first round picks, even if it
Speaker 4: looks like they're not panning out, they were first rounders
Speaker 4: for a reason. They have talent. They often have the
Speaker 4: ability to make adjustments. So he's even if he doesn't
Speaker 4: have a long term future with the White Socks or
Speaker 4: something goes wrong with his career, it's still a credit
Speaker 4: to him that he was able to reinvent himself in
Speaker 4: this way so far. I mean, he's only been for
Speaker 4: a week or so, but I have been impressed by
Speaker 4: his at bats. I think that Michael Suerro did a
Speaker 4: really good job and his article about Jacob Gonzalez and
Speaker 4: our website a couple of weeks ago, just talking about
Speaker 4: how it's a little bit deeper than just like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's Charlotte, so therefore it's all fake. He really dove
Speaker 4: more into the numbers and the approach, and after reading
Speaker 4: the article, I was thinking, Okay, I want to see
Speaker 4: him in the majors, but I am a little concerned
Speaker 4: that he's in the swing and miss too much in
Speaker 4: the zone to be dangerous. Very similar to what we
Speaker 4: heard about Moracami all off season. And we all see
Speaker 4: all that's been turning out so far. And Gonzal, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's making missus, but he has good at bats, like
Speaker 4: the quality seems pretty high even when he strikes out.
Speaker 4: I feel he had a good game plan at the plate.
Speaker 4: So I have definitely been pleasantly surprised by him so far,
Speaker 4: to the point where and we'll see, right because Everson
Speaker 4: Pereira is on a rehab assignment right now, he'll probably
Speaker 4: be back somewhat soon, although he did get scratched from
Speaker 4: the Sunday lineup, which.
Speaker 3: Could be good or bad.
Speaker 4: But when he does come back saying it is next
Speaker 4: at some point next week, I probably would rather see
Speaker 4: Gonzales stay up and Nishida go down at this point
Speaker 4: because Gonzales has power that this lineup needs right now
Speaker 4: in the absence of Murakami. So I just want him
Speaker 4: to get, you know, regular playing time and have him
Speaker 4: start pretty much anytime. And it's a handed picture for
Speaker 4: the next few weeks while Marrakami is injured, to give
Speaker 4: him more of a chance to show what he really is.
Speaker 4: But so far, I'm impressed, and it's hard.
Speaker 3: Not to be.
Speaker 6: So understand like why I had the opinion, and I
Speaker 6: think everybody kind of had the opinion, Like understand why,
Speaker 6: Like you look back at his minor league numbers, right,
Speaker 6: had an ops over seven hundred and once at any level,
Speaker 6: and that was Birmingham in twenty twenty four, had a
Speaker 6: slugging over four that started with a four. Never so
Speaker 6: like you needed to do something different or this wasn't
Speaker 6: gonna happen. And you can see and I think that
Speaker 6: was the first thing I said when we started seeing
Speaker 6: videos pop up in Charlotte. I'm like, oh, this actually
Speaker 6: looks different. This is a tangible difference. It's like, I
Speaker 6: think it's absolutely your point, Nick, Like, Hey, at a
Speaker 6: certain point, first rounders first rounder. First rounder doesn't necessarily
Speaker 6: mean you're a finished product, but first rounder absolutely means like,
Speaker 6: you have the talent, you have the skill set, you
Speaker 6: have the hand eye coordination, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 6: to make meaningful adjustments.
Speaker 1: And he did.
Speaker 2: And I think that.
Speaker 6: Has been impressive too. It's been impressive just to see
Speaker 6: those changes translate.
Speaker 2: He hasn't done anything for me.
Speaker 6: It's a profile where it hasn't done anything to be like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, this absolutely is going to stay. But
Speaker 6: he probably should, right Like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: there are enough still empty at bats in the lineup
Speaker 6: in places where it would make sense to continue keep
Speaker 6: him in the lineup. I'm always surprised they never tried
Speaker 6: him in the outfield. I don't the fact that they're
Speaker 6: sticking them in at first base probably says a lot
Speaker 6: about what they think is athleticism is. But I am
Speaker 6: surprised they never tried him in the outfield in Charlotte,
Speaker 6: because that would make this conversation a lot easier unless
Speaker 6: they're planning to move on from Benintendee and just make
Speaker 6: Gonzales the DH or just rotate the dhraw. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but he's done enough to where it absolutely makes sense
Speaker 6: this roster continues to crunch a little bit, gets a
Speaker 6: little bit healthier. I'm interested in seeing more personally. I
Speaker 6: think he's done enough early on, hasn't looked overmatched, can
Speaker 6: pull the ball out of the ballpark, has been pulling
Speaker 6: the ball a lot, which is awesome, which I do
Speaker 6: appreciate things at like a thirty percent poll rate on
Speaker 6: fly balls, perfect perfect like that, That's what you want
Speaker 6: out of a left handed hitter in Chicago. And he'll
Speaker 6: also go backside with a couple of base hits every
Speaker 6: now and then. If he can continue to balance that, yeah,
Speaker 6: let's let's absolutely keep him here and continue to see
Speaker 6: what he can do well.
Speaker 5: And he's even pulling really well just on foul balls,
Speaker 5: like just being able to you know, anytime he's pulling
Speaker 5: the ball and he's getting a good piece of it,
Speaker 5: even if it's not staying within the line, he's getting
Speaker 5: a really good run on it in the foul territory. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I'm still kind of trying to make sense of him
Speaker 5: playing first base. I feel like that's more of a
Speaker 5: Vargas has earned the right to be the full time
Speaker 5: third baseman discussion more than it is that. I don't
Speaker 5: think he's ever been a guy you'd ever want to
Speaker 5: see in center field per se. I'm not entirely sure
Speaker 5: how how the White Sox continue to move around with that,
Speaker 5: because first base does not feel like a permanent position.
Speaker 5: He's got a little bit more athleticism than what a
Speaker 5: typical first baseman would be. I mean, whenever we watch
Speaker 5: the game, does he not stick out like a sore
Speaker 5: thumb out there like at first base? Just by looking
Speaker 5: at him, not like defensively, it looks off. So hopefully
Speaker 5: that's something that we start being able to kind of
Speaker 5: move him to different positions once Moonataca makes that return,
Speaker 5: because I think so far his bat's done enough to
Speaker 5: say that he should be able to stick around once
Speaker 5: Moonataka Murcimi comes back. Obviously you're gonna have more of
Speaker 5: those difficult roster discussions. Andrew ben Attende is always the
Speaker 5: name that comes up. As I made a very strong
Speaker 5: point of on Twitter, it's almost like he is just
Speaker 5: like an inhabitor of madness and loves it every time
Speaker 5: somebody tells him that he's going about to be cuttered
Speaker 5: de fad because then magically he just decides to go
Speaker 5: absolutely nuclear. Makes absolutely no sense, But it's kind of
Speaker 5: like the Michael Jordan I took that personally deal. So
Speaker 5: I mean, if that's what, if that's what we need
Speaker 5: to do to get Andrew Bantenna to continue hit that's fine.
Speaker 5: But overall, like I'm not going to do a victory
Speaker 5: lap on you last, Like I said at the original
Speaker 5: top of the point, was your opinion of Jacob Gonzalez
Speaker 5: was not off from the grind and the majority of
Speaker 5: how people felt about him because he was just kind
Speaker 5: of a name that was kind of falling into the backside.
Speaker 5: But you know, when are we going to give some
Speaker 5: credit to this fucking Campsites guy just for helping develop
Speaker 5: some freaking hitters down in Charlotte, Because are we are
Speaker 5: we going to have we have to build him a
Speaker 5: lab or like what's going on here? Because we're starting
Speaker 5: to get some guys that are really mashing coming out
Speaker 5: of the miners and it's kind of kind of mind
Speaker 5: boggling because this was never the norm before.
Speaker 6: It's actually I remember a conversation we had last year
Speaker 6: or like Ryan Fuller, like, oh right, maybe maybe you
Speaker 6: are doing something down there as the director of hitting.
Speaker 6: Derek Schouman obviously a very positive start for him at
Speaker 6: the big league level this year. We had this conversation
Speaker 6: last year, like, are we starting to see that that
Speaker 6: feeling of what this organization does well flip away from
Speaker 6: being very pitching dominant and pitching heavy to being very
Speaker 6: offense heavy. And I think we're getting even closer to that,
Speaker 6: if not we fully flipped.
Speaker 1: Schultz.
Speaker 6: We talked about with Sean Anderson last week. We talked
Speaker 6: about on our own good but not great yet. Tan
Speaker 6: mcdoul has been hurt. Can't really tell. Hagen Smith might
Speaker 6: have lowered his armslaughted, or it seems like lowering his
Speaker 6: armslot again might have helped. But you haven't had any
Speaker 6: bullpen arms really pop up out of nowhere. Davis Martin
Speaker 6: is probably a win, but Davis Martin's been around forever.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say Davis Martin and Sean Burke are
Speaker 6: guys that Rick Han drafted and got the process started
Speaker 6: to the big leagues. That was before Bannister and all
Speaker 6: of them too. So I don't know, it's at least
Speaker 6: at this point where like you can make a convincing
Speaker 6: argument that this is absolutely flipped in at least the
Speaker 6: recent memory for this, and I think it echoes some
Speaker 6: of the conversations we started this kind of this podcast
Speaker 6: with with man, You're you're going toe to toe with
Speaker 6: a team like the Phillies. Yes, they've had their struggles,
Speaker 6: but they're still above five hundred and your pitching just
Speaker 6: can't keep you in ball games the way that your
Speaker 6: offense can. That that's a credit to everyone in the
Speaker 6: hitting department that might be taking over what we thought
Speaker 6: was a pitching dominant organization.
Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly, I think it's It's definitely it's something we
Speaker 5: should pick up on a little bit later in the season,
Speaker 5: like what we should light it simmer, but we should
Speaker 5: continue to keep an eye on what side of the
Speaker 5: what like what side of the coin are we developing better?
Speaker 5: Obviously right now it looks like it's hitting, But you
Speaker 5: know what is what is Noah Schultz turn this season
Speaker 5: into what does Hagen Smith look like?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: Long term? If we can get mcdougle onto the Major
Speaker 1: League roster, see what he can do.
Speaker 5: That's something to definitely keep an eye on moving forward.
Speaker 5: So Chris Gats and we discussed this a little bit,
Speaker 5: just a little bit about deadline early on, and we
Speaker 5: can kind of cover it here again. Chris Gatz continues
Speaker 5: double down on this team, saying that if this team
Speaker 5: keeps this current trajectory, uh, ignoring the fact we just
Speaker 5: lost you series in a row, he would look to
Speaker 5: make some sort of additions at the deadline. Give me something,
Speaker 5: what do you like? What what do you think outside
Speaker 5: of you know, aiming for the moon and trading for
Speaker 5: freaking top level pitching on the on the market. What
Speaker 5: what does a trade deadline look like for the White
Speaker 5: Sox if we're if we're continuing at this pace that
Speaker 5: we're at right now, I.
Speaker 6: Think it's more interesting to consider who would go. I
Speaker 6: think that's where it may make the most sense tic
Speaker 6: this conversation. I think we've talked about like, yes, pitching, pitching, pitching,
Speaker 6: dot but who would you realistically be willing to move
Speaker 6: from the scene because you're not getting pitching for free.
Speaker 6: I've seen Billy Carlson's name thrown a lot around a
Speaker 6: lot by Socks fans. I don't know if Jacob Gonzalez
Speaker 6: becomes a name you throw around simply because where does
Speaker 6: he fit. It's it's not that he isn't good, but hey,
Speaker 6: once Marcami gets healthy, are you ready to pull the
Speaker 6: plug on ben in Tender? You're not, because if you're not,
Speaker 6: I don't know how you're putting him out.
Speaker 2: There every day.
Speaker 6: Like it's let's just say he's hitting at least two
Speaker 6: fifty with a seven fifty ops or something like that.
Speaker 6: That's probably too good to send back to Charlotte. But
Speaker 6: the bats don't exist here, so where are you planning
Speaker 6: to put him? Those are two names that pop up
Speaker 6: to me just immediately. I don't know how much they're
Speaker 6: going to be willing to move, or how much either
Speaker 6: of them would command in return, but like I said,
Speaker 6: it's definitely more interesting to start thinking about who you
Speaker 6: might be willing to move rather than you know, who
Speaker 6: are they going to get, because that's still a little
Speaker 6: far off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree that the infield glut is what makes
Speaker 4: sense to trade from Billy Carlson. I mean, I know
Speaker 4: he's probably what like nineteen or something, so if you're
Speaker 4: going to trade him, you might not. You have to
Speaker 4: get somebody with control who you think is a higher
Speaker 4: on talent, right, I wouldn't trade him for like out
Speaker 4: of one or two years of control. That being said,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade bonham Er either, because this team is
Speaker 4: still like five hundred ish, So I don't think you
Speaker 4: should be trading the prospectors that good. So that puts
Speaker 4: you in the sweet spot of yeah, that the Jacobugnzalez
Speaker 4: types or the William Bargoio juniors. I mean, he's been
Speaker 4: injured for like a month or so, but guys who
Speaker 4: were in Triple A or the majors who have, you know,
Speaker 4: good stats and might project well. But to grmerally have
Speaker 4: a space on this team. I mean we all agree.
Speaker 4: I mean Montgomery, like I said, he the top five
Speaker 4: short stops so far this year. You're not getting rid
Speaker 4: of him anytime soon. Vargas obviously has been a revelation Murakami,
Speaker 4: I hope to have long term. And then at second
Speaker 4: base slash left field, both my draft and Antonacci have
Speaker 4: been very solid players. And I don't think we'll only
Speaker 4: put it this. I think I think the fan base,
Speaker 4: which for whatever reason, has been trying to get rid
Speaker 4: of Chase, my draft will take his job away like
Speaker 4: all season finally in the last few weeks of reals. Hey,
Speaker 4: he's actually a good player too, He's.
Speaker 3: Just not like a flashy guy or whatever.
Speaker 4: So yeah, most of yeah, that goes a year or
Speaker 4: two from now, But for right now now, I don't see,
Speaker 4: to Jordan's point, where Gonzalez is playing unless there's an
Speaker 4: injury or if you're taking out bats away from benin Tendi,
Speaker 4: which I don't think the team is going to do
Speaker 4: anytime soon.
Speaker 3: So he's the most logical candidate.
Speaker 4: And if he can continue hitting well obviously smallest sample
Speaker 4: to be hits well, you might actually have some real
Speaker 4: value to where you can get like a starting pitcher
Speaker 4: for him rather than just a rental or something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I do wonder if they trade my draft.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest, I I could see it in
Speaker 6: a world. Let's just say, Jake Gonzalez looks really good.
Speaker 6: He's a middle endfielder. By trade, you could probably teach
Speaker 6: him second base. He might have a power potential if
Speaker 6: he can walk enough that my draft doesn't like we've
Speaker 6: talked about before with Antonachi and my draft and Nashida Times.
Speaker 2: How many of these.
Speaker 6: Guys can you have in a lineup that all kind
Speaker 6: of do the same thing. You can really only have one,
Speaker 6: maybe two of them long term.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 6: I would maybe add him to the say it sounds weird,
Speaker 6: it sounds funky, and it's not because I think he
Speaker 6: saw or like to to your point about the fan
Speaker 6: base neck like, he's a very good baseball player.
Speaker 2: It just might not be what they need. It might
Speaker 2: be more.
Speaker 6: So like I don't think Antonaci's a left fielder moving forward,
Speaker 6: Like the defensive metrics haven't been kind to him, And
Speaker 6: I get granted that's a guy learning a position, but
Speaker 6: I just don't know. Maybe maybe this season, yes, but
Speaker 6: kind of see what it looks like long term.
Speaker 2: Does that leave a spot for my draft?
Speaker 6: I think we've all kind of said it's either Antonaci
Speaker 6: or my draft, like in terms of who plays that
Speaker 6: role in the lineup, maybe both do long term, but
Speaker 6: I don't know i'd put him on there. If Gonzales
Speaker 6: looks so good, you're like, eh, I don't know if
Speaker 6: I want to trade him, But also I might want
Speaker 6: to put him in future plans where maybe he had
Speaker 6: not been there before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really quick too, because it's sorry, sorry to not
Speaker 4: let he's jump in yet. But just one thing that
Speaker 4: Len benefits my draft is that he's a right hand
Speaker 4: to hit her would is a bit ironic because the
Speaker 4: old White Sox had the opposite problem. But if you
Speaker 4: take him out of the lineup, it's so left handed
Speaker 4: heavy that the team throws the lessie against him. Is okay, great,
Speaker 4: we lost the game already, let's move on. So I'm
Speaker 4: not saying you can't trade him.
Speaker 3: But it helps.
Speaker 2: No, it's a valid point. It is something that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if I have a good that's
Speaker 6: that's a valid point that that is absolutely something you
Speaker 6: have to consider with this.
Speaker 5: So I'm probably gonna have the most unlikable, boring, lame
Speaker 5: answer possible here.
Speaker 3: Nobody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm actually no, I'm actually there. I am not
Speaker 5: out on any of these prospects yet. I have not
Speaker 5: seen one of these prospects throughout the minor leagues offend
Speaker 5: me to the point where I'm ready to move on
Speaker 5: from him. And I'm like, I always get told by
Speaker 5: one of my coworkers when I talk sports that he
Speaker 5: has to tell me he doesn't he doesn't just get
Speaker 5: a rise out of me. But he has to tell
Speaker 5: me that, like, you're not a general manager. You're fucking
Speaker 5: a guy that sits at home and watches the game drink.
Speaker 5: And it's like, yeah, okay, I get it. But like,
Speaker 5: my my entire stance, and this goes across all sports,
Speaker 5: is like I want to accumulate so many assets and
Speaker 5: see what I can make out of what I already have,
Speaker 5: and I want to be so sure that when I
Speaker 5: make that a great when I make that move to
Speaker 5: like bring in like established players and make a run,
Speaker 5: that I'm one hundred percent I'm one hundred percent sure
Speaker 5: about what I have. I'm one hundred percent sure about
Speaker 5: what I'm sending out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm maybe I'm sending out a player that I'm
Speaker 5: not as high on that the rest of baseball.
Speaker 1: Is really high on, you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm just trying to work with the deal as
Speaker 5: much as humanly possible. And I think at the absolute
Speaker 5: earliest we look at.
Speaker 1: This in the offseason.
Speaker 5: I think you go into winter meetings and you take
Speaker 5: a little bit more of a look at who's available
Speaker 5: on the trade market. Uh, you see what free agent
Speaker 5: bats look like, you look at what free agent starting
Speaker 5: pitching looks like. You kind of take a look at
Speaker 5: the entire and see where you're at, and then you
Speaker 5: start to, uh, you know, self evaluate what you have
Speaker 5: in this farm, and then you kind of dictate who
Speaker 5: you feel comfortable with trading and who you want to
Speaker 5: start kind of uh, you know, kind of hanging out
Speaker 5: in trades and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I'm just not there this season. This season's been.
Speaker 5: A lot of fun early on. I'm really excited with
Speaker 5: where the team's going. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 5: potential here, and you know, I don't think it's completely
Speaker 5: outside their own possibility. We can make playoffs this year
Speaker 5: in a wild card or maybe we even see you
Speaker 5: can get the Central But I am not in a
Speaker 5: situation where I'm willing to.
Speaker 1: Open that window too early because I still feel like
Speaker 1: it's too early.
Speaker 5: We I still feel like I need to know who
Speaker 5: some of these players are before I'm willing to just
Speaker 5: jump into that. I know this is this is the
Speaker 5: lame answer. This is the answer nobody wants to hear.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's everybody hates it because everybody wants, you know,
Speaker 5: everyone wants to look at the idea of well, if
Speaker 5: you have the opportunity to win, you got to go
Speaker 5: try to do it. It's like, yeah, and that's how
Speaker 5: you turn into the fucking Baltimore Orioles. And I don't
Speaker 5: want to do that. I want to hit a situation
Speaker 5: where what we finally know what we have at our
Speaker 5: core one hundred percent, what we're comfortable with, who we
Speaker 5: can pay to keep, and then, like I'm talking, we
Speaker 5: can get as aggressive as humanly possible, trade a shit
Speaker 5: ton of our farm to get the players we need
Speaker 5: to make a run, and then actually seriously make a run.
Speaker 5: And we're not in a situation like before twenty twenty
Speaker 5: with the White Sox, where we decide to go spend
Speaker 5: in free agency and then we've given up so much
Speaker 5: of what we already have that once we realize that
Speaker 5: our core is not our core, we're completely fucked.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, they didn't have anything.
Speaker 6: Here's the concern with this. Here's the concern with this.
Speaker 6: And it's not like on the surface, it's not all
Speaker 6: this is wrong. It's more so like do you ever
Speaker 6: know for one hundred percent sure what you have like
Speaker 6: that that that's part of the problem for me, Like
Speaker 6: you have to do your best, guess like you, that's
Speaker 6: why projections, that's why analytics exist. Like that, you're doing
Speaker 6: your best shot at it. I don't think where that
Speaker 6: falls short for this team historically is when you wait
Speaker 6: too long, and you wait too long and you don't
Speaker 6: make the move, and that you don't make the move,
Speaker 6: and now you're dumping Louise Robert for Louisan Helocunya. Who fine,
Speaker 6: I get it, but that's Louis on Helocunya. Is not
Speaker 6: the trade packages White Sox fans were putting together for
Speaker 6: Louise Robert three years ago, right, So you have to
Speaker 6: wait against that. I don't think you need to make
Speaker 6: any splash moves necessarily. I think we're probably all in
Speaker 6: agreement there. But I also think about from the flip side,
Speaker 6: what message it sends to this group to be like, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: you guys just go out there. We're playing with house money.
Speaker 6: We're not doing nothing. You guys go figure out. Like
Speaker 6: at a certain point, you have to show the group,
Speaker 6: even if it's a small thing, that you believe in
Speaker 6: them and are willing to go a little bit of
Speaker 6: an extra mile to help this crew out. I think
Speaker 6: it's a bad look to send. If you just don't
Speaker 6: do anything and you say, well, we're schedule and we
Speaker 6: don't really care what happens here. I mean, you wouldn't
Speaker 6: say it in those words, but that's how the players
Speaker 6: would view it.
Speaker 2: You see it.
Speaker 6: Every year when really good teams don't invest at the
Speaker 6: trade deadline the way they should. You see a comment
Speaker 6: or two come out where they're like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 6: this and this and this about the front office, but
Speaker 6: we'll do what we have, what we've got, like we're
Speaker 6: confident in ourselves as players. Since the players saying it,
Speaker 6: not the front office saying it, that's what you have
Speaker 6: to balance against it. Because he's done such a good job,
Speaker 6: he being venable, creating such a good culture, you have
Speaker 6: to make sure you don't screw it by not making
Speaker 6: a strategic addition here or there. Again, you don't want
Speaker 6: to give up a perennial All Star for a two
Speaker 6: year rental pitcher. But I do think that based on
Speaker 6: what this team's done previously, at least on the trade market,
Speaker 6: like it's been a lot of either win wins or
Speaker 6: lose lose, Like there hasn't been a lot of They've
Speaker 6: got absolutely fleeced in a deal because they were idiots
Speaker 6: who didn't know what they had. I mean thinking about
Speaker 6: like the Christian main A deal where everyone freaked out
Speaker 6: about that. I think he's getting sold shoulder surgery and
Speaker 6: hasn't really pitched all that much. Yeah, they got Dominic Fletcher,
Speaker 6: But at the same time, that's one of.
Speaker 2: Those where it's like.
Speaker 6: I generally feel good that they know what they have,
Speaker 6: even if it's not Duke to your point, like one
Speaker 6: hundred percent sure, I just don't know if you have
Speaker 6: the luxury of that at the same time, because you
Speaker 6: could sell high now on like a Billy Carlson, and
Speaker 6: maybe Billy Carlson never puts him an ops over seven
Speaker 6: to fifty in his career, but someone else.
Speaker 2: Believes he could.
Speaker 6: So it's that is just such a hard balance though
Speaker 6: to strike. I don't think there's a right answer to
Speaker 6: this either way at the same.
Speaker 5: Time, so I guess in your everything you said right
Speaker 5: there was correct. I definitely see both sides of it.
Speaker 5: The one thing, like the one that will always stick
Speaker 5: in my craw is how much the A's loved Andrew
Speaker 5: Vaughn and how badly I wanted us to swing a
Speaker 5: deal to get Shay Langliers to Chicago just based on
Speaker 5: what the fuck he's doing now. I've been god, I
Speaker 5: was such a huge h Angliers fan, So like, I
Speaker 5: see that end of it too, of holding on too long,
Speaker 5: because look at what the hell Andrew Baugh got us.
Speaker 5: Like I had to go to Miller Park and see
Speaker 5: a banner of Andrew vaugh and that shit made me disgusted.
Speaker 5: So it was it was really hard to stomach that. So, like,
Speaker 5: I see both sides of it. I guess biggest thing,
Speaker 5: Like with where we are right now, my ideal, uh,
Speaker 5: my ideal thing would be bringing in as many of
Speaker 5: these top well producing prospects that have worked well in
Speaker 5: the minors into camp into spring training this upcoming year
Speaker 5: as we can and seeing what the hell competition can
Speaker 5: bring out of some of these guys. And then once
Speaker 5: we kind of have an idea of seeing these guys
Speaker 5: compete day to day during the spring and seeing, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of seeing what we have hands on against some
Speaker 5: form of.
Speaker 1: MLB type talent.
Speaker 5: I think, then you go into next year, maybe that's
Speaker 5: when you would feel That's when I would feel a
Speaker 5: little bit better going into the deadline and possibly making
Speaker 5: a move or then going into that following off season
Speaker 5: and then really just going all the way in. I
Speaker 5: just I want to see what these guys that are
Speaker 5: doing well in the minors can do at a major
Speaker 5: league camp or with a you know, even a triple
Speaker 5: A opportunity. The Billy Carlson thing does keep me a
Speaker 5: little bit nervous, but I guess it really shouldn't, considering
Speaker 5: the White Sox are so dead set on guys playing
Speaker 5: the positions they were drafted to play like that is
Speaker 5: one thing that drives me absolutely nuts about this about
Speaker 5: our minor league system, about not giving a short a
Speaker 5: guy who's drafted as a shortstop opportunities in the outfield,
Speaker 5: because like, if we're drowning of any part of the prospect,
Speaker 5: but we're drowning in the outfield, why do we not
Speaker 5: have more infielders in our minor league system playing in
Speaker 5: the outfield to at least see what we have? That
Speaker 5: drives me nuts. But taking that into account, I guess yes,
Speaker 5: I would be a little bit more. I'd be a
Speaker 5: lot more less hesitant to make a move knowing that's
Speaker 5: how we're operating. But I mean, to your guys point,
Speaker 5: like you said earlier, Las like, why is a guy
Speaker 5: like Jakemignzalis not getting reps in the outfield, knowing damn well,
Speaker 5: how badly we need outfield that, you know, So if
Speaker 5: that's how we're going to maneuver, that'd probably be my
Speaker 5: biggest That's my biggest gripe with Gets. The way he's
Speaker 5: done this so far is not trying to get these
Speaker 5: guys playing other positions. But yeah, I guess I'm still
Speaker 5: to fully answer my question. I'm still on the side
Speaker 5: of I want to see what these guys are bring
Speaker 5: him into camp next year, Give these guys direct competition,
Speaker 5: see what they can do against some major league level
Speaker 5: pitching or you know, how they can pitch against major
Speaker 5: league level hitting, you know, quote unquote with a spring
Speaker 5: training roster, but a you know, forty man roster, and
Speaker 5: then kind of go from there. And then I think
Speaker 5: going into the deadline next year, if everything's looking good
Speaker 5: and we don't have to worry about any prospects completely
Speaker 5: you know, tanking completely, and then we have to look
Speaker 5: into our project pool to see if we can find
Speaker 5: another cornerstone.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they start making moves at next year's deadline. I
Speaker 5: just I like to be sure, and I like to
Speaker 5: I'd just like to have a little bit more tape
Speaker 5: on our prospect system than we currently have, because how
Speaker 5: does a Jacob Gonzalez come out of nowhere? You know,
Speaker 5: he could have easily been traded for nothing last season,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And by having him in
Speaker 5: the major minor league system in this season, yes, he
Speaker 5: does have a lot of trade mail you now because
Speaker 5: of what he's shown.
Speaker 6: I actually like this comment I just put up from
Speaker 6: our YouTube chat for those who are listening after the
Speaker 6: fact we are lying.
Speaker 1: That is actually a very good comment. I like it.
Speaker 6: I am I will read it to those who might
Speaker 6: be just listening to the podcast. You have to be
Speaker 6: sustainable enough to be able to make mistakes and take risks,
Speaker 6: and I think that's where.
Speaker 2: I think Chris guests can still.
Speaker 6: Do something with that this this trade de line, Like
Speaker 6: he doesn't have to go over the moon and trade
Speaker 6: the farm for this crew, but you do have to
Speaker 6: show the guys you have on the field that you
Speaker 6: have enough belief in them to say that, you know,
Speaker 6: we want to see what you guys can do when
Speaker 6: the pressure is still on. Heading towards September, October, Like,
Speaker 6: I think you can do that in a nice enough
Speaker 6: way to where you take a calculator risk. I think
Speaker 6: what this person was getting at. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 6: to those who are listening after the fact, or listening
Speaker 6: on Spotify or Apple Music whatever, like we're live on Sunday,
Speaker 6: so you can start throwing your comments in here too,
Speaker 6: and we'll start talking about them too. So, thinking to
Speaker 6: those who were doing it today, I thought that was
Speaker 6: a great one as we were kind of getting close
Speaker 6: to wrapping here.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 6: You know, I've learned a thing or two about this,
Speaker 6: you know, having a fill in his host every now
Speaker 6: and again. I got some good plugs here who has
Speaker 6: responsibilities to be able to pull this one up. I
Speaker 6: was just about to say Joe's and about us losing
Speaker 6: us Montini losing in the playoffs is not going to
Speaker 6: be pulled up on the screen.
Speaker 2: Well time someone else here is allowed to do it.
Speaker 5: Except to the folks listening at home.
Speaker 1: Uh socks.
Speaker 5: On thirty fifth own, Joe has commented, and I want
Speaker 5: to make sure that everybody listening to this on a
Speaker 5: podcast somewhere can can make sure they're taking this all
Speaker 5: don should be Should we be worried about the lads
Speaker 5: lab at Motini. My sources to say, another playoff loss
Speaker 5: has the fans a little restless.
Speaker 6: Your sources are your sources are off. I don't know
Speaker 6: where you're getting that from. The things are great over
Speaker 6: the good old Montini. No, just that's always a bad
Speaker 6: end of the year, right, But all right, We've got to.
Speaker 5: See a little long this episode, but I think overall
Speaker 5: covered quite a bit here.
Speaker 1: It's nice to have the band back together.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that got caught in my freaking
Speaker 5: intro before I got, you know, completely nuked, But regardless,
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