WEBVTT - Can the Sox fix their pitching issues? | Episode 111 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:09.000 Suns on thirty fifth is next doors open on the left. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.040 How's it going? Everybody is well? 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.320 I guess while he gets that figured out, Nick, welcome back. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.640 How are you yeah? Doing well? 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.239 Been a busy couple of weeks, but it's been nice 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.200 that the White Sauce are still relevant into June. Not 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.200 what I was expecting. So yeah, not not too bad 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:29.880 all things since there? 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:30.360 How about you? 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:32.280 Fine? 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.560 I guess frustrated like I don't. It's it's so funny 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.760 as we start to have these conversations and we start 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.480 to figure out, you know, to your point, like they're 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.520 still relevant in June. We're still going through that process. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:53.320 But I I'm trying to gauge against like, oh, they 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.800 are relevant in June and they weren't supposed to be 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.480 and everything that goes along with that. So I don't know, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:05.000 Like I don't know how to feel about things. It's frustrating, right, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:10.200 Like it's frustrating to half weeks like this, where you 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.200 can play Minnesota, play Philadelphia and it goes fine relative 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:19.520 to maybe your original season expectations, but still aren't good 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.479 enough long term, so. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:24.119 Right, right? 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.240 And I think also the Murakami injury, like everyone's goal 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.240 right now, These the fans that I talked to, they 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.480 just want to tread water until he comes back. Hopefully 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.440 you when he gets back here, still within a few 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.360 games of five hundred on the downside, worst case, but still, 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.760 you know, it's frustrating because the offense actually has been 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.680 pretty decent since he went down, and it's the pitching, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.839 as the theme of this episode is the issue right now, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.040 So hoping that starts to balance outt a bit more. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.120 But the schedule is a meat grinder right now, So 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.800 the next couple of weeks might be rough, but who knows, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:55.880 maybe we will be surprised. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.880 Yeah, I think at the end of the day, you know, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.240 to play they the way they did against. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.600 Oh look who decided to join. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.520 Back the life of me? 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.040 Do not understand why my computer just decided to reset 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.760 the second I started, you know, doing my stick. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.800 But here we are, I'm I don't know. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.360 We were doing fines between the two of us, so 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.320 we were considering not even letting you back in. So 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.240 we didn't get far though, So if you want to 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.800 just tell us how you're doing and intro us, go 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:26.400 right ahead. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.800 Okay, I guess I'll just pop in and you know, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.880 catch up with where we're at. As you know, Jordan 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.600 Lasky just fucking bodied me. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:35.320 I'm good. 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.800 I've had a that was a little hectic, but I 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.640 guess it kind of fits into the fact that I 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.160 went to Banana Ball yesterday and that was probably the 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:44.840 most hectic sporting that I've ever been to. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:47.800 But besides that, I'm good. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.440 Hopefully this recording just keeps on rolling on, But uh, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:54.480 I don't know how. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:55.880 You how are you guys doing? I didn't get to 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:56.919 hear how you guys are. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.400 Doing all things consider, we were just kind of baiting 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.239 the back and forth of like the frustrations of this week, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.400 which we'll talk about in the Pitching staff, but also 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.960 trying to balance it against well, did we even think 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.840 they were going to be here in the first place? 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:11.600 So it's hard. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.000 Yeah, No, I mean that's fair enough. Well, I guess 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.679 I'll just pick up right where we were at. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:16.919 Then. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:22.160 That is great to hear, gentlemen, We have quite a 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.079 bit covering this episode, obviously, with the White Sox going 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.120 four and four in the last eight Before we get started, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.520 be sure and suscribed the podcast and Apple, Spotify, YouTube 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.840 and everyone else to get your podcast. Also sure check 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.680 out the website sucks on thirty fifth dot com, as 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.080 I'll following us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at socks 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.280 on thirty fifth. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.119 Believe that's correct, because. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.680 I'm seeing that we have gone four and fourth into 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.200 talking more Kami's injury. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.560 That's right, it's correct. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.400 I mean I didn't count the day he got hurt, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.320 so four and four, Like, I guess we'll call it that, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.520 just putting asterisks there if that's what you want to do. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.760 But no, I think that's I think that's fair. You know, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.080 it's it's one of those tough things, you know. And obviously, Nick, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.080 I'll let you kind of jump into this and take 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.160 the run on it. But so the White Sox scored 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.560 five point six runs a game gone four and four. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.400 I'm sure that runs numbers changed a little bit with 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.880 the final game on Sunday here, but the team's pitching 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.440 staff has continued to be an issue. It's something we've 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.000 been dealing with really all week. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:26.080 You know. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.880 I think it's it's a bad sign when Brian Hudson's 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.640 having it has a really bad run, because I think 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.880 that's a sign that everybody's kind of struggling. But how 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.160 do you how you've been feeling about what you've been 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.560 seeing out of the bullpen and the pitching. 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.800 Yeah, I mean, Brian Hudson's the guy, but when he 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.640 allows a run, I'm not even remotely upset for disappointed. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.120 It's like you can let in like five runs one 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.040 of these days if you want, and you've still given 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.200 so much value to this team that we weren't expecting that. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.480 Like you're in the clear, right, So the bullpen kind 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.480 of is what it is. I mean, obviously Taylor and 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.960 newcom and then you have Hudson and to Meingaz though 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.080 the dependable guys. It is a little bit upsetting to 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.120 see Tyler Davis starting to maybe show some signs that 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.279 he might not be you know who he was looking 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.440 like the first month or so, because he was a guy. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.080 Him coming out to nowhere it was really helpful. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.080 Maybe that's where Ben People finally gets his chance, Like 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.080 maybe that's a move that has to happen. But overall, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.080 I mean, the starting pitching is to be concerned for me, 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.039 because there's really not much you can do right now 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.760 with Noah Schultz injured, Shane Smith injured, Tanner McDougal injured. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.279 Hagen Smith may be ready somewhat soon in the last 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.599 couple of weeks, but he just pitched today on Sunday, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.200 so it's not like he's going to be starting against 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.680 the Braves in that series. So you kind of have 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.720 to write out the storm a little bit with Fetti 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.080 and with Kay right now. Obviously Kay has been better 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.840 this season overall than Fetti, but not by a huge gap. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.520 Lease in my opinion, I think Era is a little 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.160 bit deceiving there. So you kind of have to weather 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.119 the storm for the next two weeks and maybe hagen 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.440 Smith joins the rotation in that time, maybe Noah Schultz 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:57.880 comes back. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.799 But for me, the bigger blow is McDougall. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.039 I think McDougal would have been up like three or 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.719 four weeks ago had he not gotten hurt, and he 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.520 was the best picture at Triple A, and I think 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.599 he's the kind of guy whould have a big impact immediately. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.919 So silver lining of that, of course, is when he 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.880 does get healthy, it'll be nice to see him in 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.880 the big leagues and I think he could be, you know, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.960 actually quite valuable right off the bat. But until then, 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.560 we just got to kind of deal with it. And 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.080 just see what happens. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.760 I guess you know we've talked about this a little 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.919 bit too, when we've talked kind of the Rays or 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.800 the Brewer strategy of either bullpen building or rotation building 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.000 or whatever you want to call it. At a certain 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.000 point it comes to where you got to switch up 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.200 the rolodex of pictures again. You have to do something different. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.960 You got to try again with a different group. And 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.839 it almost feels like you're starting to get there again. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.480 To your point, Nick, like Tyler Davis is kind of 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.039 slowing down a little bit, not exactly showing especially over 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.680 the last fifteen appearances, like what he may have been 0:06:54.720 --> 0:07:00.080 early on Tyler Gilbert. I continue to wonder how he 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.159 gets the opportunities. But like I get, I get you 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.800 have to continue to churn demingas has looked up and down. 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.720 The only dependable name you've had to for for Will 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.480 Venable is Grand Taylor. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.920 And and that's an inning here or there. I don't know. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.000 I look at it, and I wonder if there's an 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.640 opportunity to start getting Grant Taylor more innings and like 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:30.880 the two or three inning variety again, because this rotation's bad, 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:35.840 like it's bad and there's no real reinforcements in sight 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.520 when you have no Ah Schultz on the injury list 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.720 right now and you have Tan McDougal still hurt. Hagen 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.360 Smith might be on the way, but I don't know 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:47.840 that there's a lot of different ways they're gonna have 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.440 to kind of get funky with it. But again, you're 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.720 gonna you're gonna have to try and get funky with 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.120 it again, Like you can't continue to churn the same 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.240 way you've been going because it's it's worked great for 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.880 a while, but those teams don't just sit on It's 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.280 time to try the next couple of names. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:02.960 I think. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:07.880 Now he's muted too. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.320 I'm just bat in a thousand. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.240 Yeah, it's funny because you know, I I started up 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.840 my computer. I tried, like I uninstalled a bunch of 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.600 stuff to make it faster. But uh, you know, the 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.440 thing with this pitching staff right now is like there's 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.000 not a lot of swinging this stuff over the last 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.120 over the last week here, and this isn't including Sunday 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.480 with the Phillies. Just because Baseball Reference love them to death, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.319 they're a little bit slow up bringing their stats up, but. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:36.600 They do do really good splits. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.720 We're looking at forty eight strikeouts and twenty two walks 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.280 in the last six games with for four seven six ERA, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.880 forty five hits and fifty one innings credited. That's that's 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.880 brutal like that, that is very tough to be able 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.559 to get that out of out of your pitching staff. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.440 And it's even more brutal when you consider how well 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.400 our offense has been been scoring. You know, a guy 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.840 like Jacin's all comes up. He's been a he's been 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.920 a really nice hot bat. Colson has had struggles, but 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.839 obviously he's gotten it going a little bit more as 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:11.760 of late. So really the only thing you're really looking 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.679 at here is you can either you know, stick with it, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.920 go part for the course, just hope that this is 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.560 a slow run, or kind of like you guys are saying, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.920 start kind of picking into the minors and bring a 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.000 guy up and see if you know, somebody can get 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.920 an opportunity here, because if there is a situation where 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.480 we're not looking into buying at the deadline, our minor 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.200 league system has to be utilized in situations like this. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.200 Guy like Eric Fetty was somebody that you brought up. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.000 Nick as our fifth guy. I think he's probably the 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.959 least offensive to me right now, just based on he 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.320 can eat up some innings and he can occasionally have 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.160 a really good start. That's what you want out of 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.000 your fifth starter. But when we're looking at the top 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.040 line of the pitching rotation, we need a lot more. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.960 We need to be able to get more production out 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:55.160 of that. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.840 And I'm not saying that needs to be a situation 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.160 where Fetti needs a bigger role or anything. You know, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.120 If anything, Fetty's a guy that's gonna be on the 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.200 outside looking in once we start looking at what our 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.719 rotation is going to look like for the rest of 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.199 the season. But we need more from guy like Anthony 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.880 k just overall across the board. We need our starting rotation, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.280 and this isn't an ideal situation, so that's something you 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:17.920 want to ask your rotation to do. But we need 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.160 our starting rotation to protect our bullpen as much as 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.440 humanly possible because. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.280 We're just not getting enough outs from them right now. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.880 Grant Taylor's great. Like Grant Taylor is one of my favorite, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.880 it should be a lot of people's favorite relief pitcher 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:31.760 in baseball right now, just. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.839 Because he's absolutely dynamite on the mound. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.400 We don't want to throw his arm off, Like this 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.160 isn't a situation where we're gonna have him carry our 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.320 entire bullpen all season. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:41.160 We can't do that. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.120 We've done in the past with Garak Crochet, Michael Kopek, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.840 both scenarios that did not end up well in the 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:47.440 long run. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.080 So we need. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.679 More from from our back end bullpen guys. We need 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.480 more guys that can be able to eat innings. Brian Hudson. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.840 As as you said, isn't somebody that's gonna offend me 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.040 if he has a bad game. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.120 But he needs to. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.440 He needs to bring it, bring it back to where 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.360 he was, you know, because that was kind of the 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.880 big thing, kind of keeping him in such a crucial 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.360 part of our bullpen. So let's say, so whatever type 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.760 of rotation I've I've hyped up Ben's Ben people. So 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.040 I'm gonna continue to do that in every episode until 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.480 we finally get him up here. Like I said, I 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.480 don't know if he's just a really fucking weird guy, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.840 but at a certain point we need we need guys 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:21.320 in the bullpen. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:22.360 We need different phases. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.600 So I think what it comes down to, is what 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.840 you kind of alluded to the beginning to like, it's 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.040 it's most frustrating because they're scoring like five or six 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.200 runs a game, like they're they're playing winning baseball. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.000 Even against like the Phillies. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.160 Like, yes, they lost two of three, but their offense 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.040 should have had them winning at least two, if not 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.479 all three of them, right, like, Like, that's the frustrating 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.079 part of it. And I and I think you partially 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.080 knew that coming in the season. I don't think we 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.880 were blind to that necessarily, that the off or excuse me, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.080 that the pitching would be the issue. The offense could 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.880 certainly carry the club at times, given the pedigree of 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.400 some of the names, but it is the break out 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.400 thing too on top of it. I think that was 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.679 maybe the thing I like the least about how this 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.760 group ended up coming together is because there's no swing 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.120 and miss anywhere outside of Grand Taylor and deming As 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.280 every now and again, it's that's the frustrating part. So 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.720 you're going to go through stretches like this. I think 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.000 that's what it ultimately comes down to. Yes, it's frustrating, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.000 Yes it shouldn't be happening. Yes, there were other ways 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.120 to potentially prevent it. Sure, but you know you're going 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.040 to go through these stretches with this sort of pitching 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.800 staff that's built less as your swing and miss type 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.680 arsenals all the way from one through thirteen. Their ace 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.040 is We've been debating for weeks now, is this dude, 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.440 legit Davis Martin with six different pitches. That's just the 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.400 type of team this is right now, It's going to 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.440 lead to some pretty good highs and some pretty low lows, unfortunately, 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.880 as we've seen these past six games or so. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.000 Yeah, and I agree with you both, but that's also 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.520 something that I think could radically change between now and 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.000 maybe even as soon as all Like there's a chance 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.480 that in August all three of Hagen Smith, Tanner, McDougal 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.720 and Noah Schultzer in the rotation. I know Sheltz didn't 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.160 have the most you know, he wasn't like a huge 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.960 strikeout picture in his early stint in the majors, but 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.560 I wouldn't be surprised that that becomes who he is 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.040 more in the long term. Right So, yeah, right now, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.360 it's tough because Davis Martin and Sean Burke, they're decent 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.560 pitchures having good seasons, but they're not like the big 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.840 strikeout guys, And I understand why the can text your 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.439 blowpen in the long run, but you might be having 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.040 the opposite problem with someone like Hagen Smith, who will 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.280 get the strikeouts to the cows come home, but I'll 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.320 also walk the bases loaded every now and then, so 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.400 there's a balance there. But I do think this rotation 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.200 could look so different by the end of the year 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.000 that someone like Davis, Martin or Burke might even it 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.800 might be like a breath of fresh air to have 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.000 their turn in the rotation and just have someone dependable 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.240 who can get five or six innings of you know, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.000 two run ball in there with relatively low stress. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:53.680 At the same time. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.439 I think that's why we all call it, oh, they're three, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.600 four or five starters in the long term, like that's 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.200 what those types of starters are supposed to be, exactly 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.480 what you just described. I don't think it's a bad thing. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.560 It just becomes a bad thing when those guys have 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.600 to be your one and two in a rotation like that. 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.240 That's not what they're made to be, that's not what 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.960 they're meant to do. And yes, it will look dramatically 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.960 different with time to come. But at the same time, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.640 until you get there, like I said, there are highs 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.320 and there are lows, and you're going to have to 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.200 weather them. But again it gets back to Nick, what 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.880 you and I said at the very beginning, like how 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.040 do you weigh against None of us expected this team 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.960 to be competitive in June with Okay, now that they're competitive, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.800 why are X, Y and Z things happening? Like there's 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.680 a reason, there's a rational we can talk through, but 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.080 it's what level of frustration are you willing to let 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.520 yourself get to as you try and figure that all out? 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.960 Well, And I think there's a scenario where a lot 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.560 of the people who've discussed buying at the deadline, and 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.760 you know, like I've said the past couple episodes, that's 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.520 not really something I'm prepared to have any sort of 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.960 opinion on quite yet. Like it's maybe that seems like 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.760 I'm just dragging my toes here. But if we're going 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.560 to be in a situation where we think going in 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.160 trading for somebody at the deadline or trading for arms 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.960 at the deadline is to benefit the prospects we currently 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.560 have in this roster as far as trying to get 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.240 playoff experience, What does it hurt bringing up a guy 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.239 like Hagen Smith or bringing up a guy like McDougall 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.520 of getting them just high leverage experience of pitching in 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.520 ball games that matter, you know what I mean. I 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.120 feel like it's kind of a similar similar what you're 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.200 trying to grasp here. But instead of sending these guys 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.000 out before we get a chance to see him at 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.160 a major league level, you know, why don't we try 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.240 to get them onto the major league roster sooner rather 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.480 than later. I mean, Hagen Smith is a tough one 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.560 just because of the issues he's had with walks, But 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.200 over the course of his last couple starts, he's cleaned 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.000 that up a lot more and he's I believe his 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.640 last starready had it was uh I think it was 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.800 nine strikeouts and he ended up having one walk in 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:58.240 that game. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:59.600 And you gotta be able to find. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.600 A time where where do you want to continue to 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.840 just let him build on that, you know, until the 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.560 end of time, or do we want to just like 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.360 try to make an aggressive move here with one of 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.480 our one of our prospects and try to see if 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.240 he can do it at the major league level. I mean, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.160 it's not like we're gonna have any shortage of options 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:14.960 with him, So why not take a shot at something 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.480 like that? And I think that that should have been 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.400 the mindset with Noah Schultz, with how hot he's with 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.520 how hot he started in Charlotte in the first place. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.440 You know, so if you're gonna kind of have that 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.600 mindset and you want to try to get new guys 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.160 up into this rotation because we need new faces, there's 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.760 no ifans or boughts about it, especially in the bullpen. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.400 Why not try to get him up here, Just try 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:34.760 to get. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.840 Him experience and see if if in a couple of 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.200 weeks we're at the deadline and we're sure either sure 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.840 they're not ready or there's something there where they could 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.320 be ready here soon and they're moving in the right 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.000 direction before we decided to make a move with the deadline, 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.040 you know, kind of know what I'm saying. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:53.760 Yeah, it makes sense. Again, it's just. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.600 You have you have to be you have to commit 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.920 to that right, you have to commit to shuffling things up, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.600 and now kind of presents an okay time to do it. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.840 Like they're not playing great baseball. The bullpen has not 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.960 looked great. There's only so much you can do about 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.720 stunning rotation and its injuries and you know, figuring guys 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.320 out from that perspective, but only these bullpen names. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:18.600 You need to continue to turn them. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.679 If Tyler Davis isn't working out anymore, you've got to 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.880 move on like that. That's just how this is going 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.800 to have to be at this point. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.080 Absolutely, I mean, kind of getting away from pitching a 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.960 little bit, because honestly, we could probably do an entire 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.960 episode just based on, you know, breaking down how bad 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.760 every single every single pitcher in the rotate or in 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.040 the bullpen's been. I mean, I just I guess I'm 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.840 just glad when I don't have to see Jordan Hicks 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.920 and just get constantly frustrated with, oh my god, look 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.720 how well it pitch moves and look how fucking much 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:48.840 he misses the strike zone. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:53.479 That doesn't look good. Guy that people have been talking about. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.679 And this kind of goes into people who have stepped 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:00.879 up in the absence of Mutaka Murakamila Montgomery. He's on 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.159 a on a colder streak right now. I said it 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:05.720