WEBVTT - #824 Packers Unscripted: An ending and exit

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined by the

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly clean shaven Western Hodkowitz, and we're coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>hear from our studios at lambeau Field, unfortunately, to recap

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<v Speaker 1>a season ending NFC Wildcard playoff loss. The final was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two to ten at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Wes' if there's anything that is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the you know the recurring theme of the downfall of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty four Green Bay Packers, it's that when

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<v Speaker 1>they had a really, really big game to play, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't start it well enough to be able to win it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the hardest part for me, as you and

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<v Speaker 2>I were coming back on the plane and obviously writing

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<v Speaker 2>our content and everything that's followed these last couple of days,

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<v Speaker 2>is there were so many things we talked about going

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<v Speaker 2>into this game, and the Packers knew it too, that

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<v Speaker 2>had to get accomplished, and realistically they didn't achieve any

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I was talking to my father after I

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<v Speaker 2>got home from the game. Sometimes the old father son talk,

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of debrief about.

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<v Speaker 1>Work, and I do it via text message, Yeah with

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<v Speaker 1>my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Your dad's down in platform. Mine lives two miles away

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<v Speaker 2>from me, so it feasy. But like I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, that was the most disappointing part of this

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<v Speaker 2>game for me. Is nothing surprising happened relative to what

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<v Speaker 2>you knew. The worst case scenario could be. It was

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<v Speaker 2>an early turnover on the kickoff. It was losing the

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<v Speaker 2>turnover margin four to zero for the game, not being

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<v Speaker 2>able to get off to a fast start offensively, struggling

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<v Speaker 2>to find a rhythm and Mike. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about last week. Ifiladelphia was gonna lock it

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<v Speaker 2>down and take care of and remove the threat of

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Jacobs that early on, the Packers had to take

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<v Speaker 2>advantage well the Eagles, and which had a very respectable

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<v Speaker 2>run defense, not number one ranked like their pass defense,

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<v Speaker 2>but number top ten. Well, they were able to contain

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<v Speaker 2>him with a light box. They kept the shell on

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the defense, and as Jaden Reid talked

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<v Speaker 2>about after the game, they just the Packers had to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of play underneath that. And when that's the case,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to find ways to create explosive plays. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to make guys miss. You have to get into

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<v Speaker 2>the open field, and Green Bay just struggled to do

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<v Speaker 2>that and their season ended because of it. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>strange footing for me, Mike. This is the first time

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<v Speaker 2>in my time with the Green Bay Packers in which

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<v Speaker 2>they've made the playoffs and have not been in the

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<v Speaker 2>divisional round. Whether it was as a buy or whether

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<v Speaker 2>they played into it. This is the first time the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers have lost in the wildcard round since twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>my last year at the Prescazette. So that there's just

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<v Speaker 2>this feeling all week long of not like whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>antithesis of like finality would be, it's just inconclusive. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It just feels like, as you wrote about some of

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<v Speaker 2>our stories this week, we never really saw the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>play their best ball. They won eleven games, and now

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<v Speaker 2>they're off into the offseason once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's certainly frustrating. And Matt Lefuir talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>his season ending news conference was shortly before we turned

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<v Speaker 1>the cameras on here, talked about just how disappointing it

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<v Speaker 1>was for the for the offense to hit the skids

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the season, and everybody's questioning, you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what went wrong and everything, and I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one who tries to look at it from a

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<v Speaker 1>big picture perspective. I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with the Packers offense. You have to realize that before

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<v Speaker 1>things started to go south in Minnesota in the second

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<v Speaker 1>to last regular season game, the Packers had scored thirty

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<v Speaker 1>plus points five games in a row. That's what makes

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<v Speaker 1>the finish the Minnesota game, the Chicago game, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia game. That's what makes it so so headscore

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<v Speaker 1>and so surprising. I mean, yes, the end result in

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia was not surprising based on what had happened in

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota and leading up to it. The Packers didn't have momentum,

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<v Speaker 1>They had the toughest playoff position as the seventh seat.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not healthy, they were dealing with they were

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<v Speaker 1>getting some guys back on defense, but guys were dropping

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<v Speaker 1>like flies during the game and all that. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much to to try to process there. But offensively,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you said it. The Eagles were able to

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<v Speaker 1>contain Josh Jacobs to basically two and a half to

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<v Speaker 1>three yards of carry. I mean he had right around

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<v Speaker 1>fifty yards on seventeen of his carries. He had the

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<v Speaker 1>one that busted a tremendous run down to the one

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<v Speaker 1>yard line set up the touchdown run there on the

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<v Speaker 1>opening play of the fourth quarter. But the Packers couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get Jacob's going, so then the Eagles were just were

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<v Speaker 1>still able to sit back, make the Packers try to throw,

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<v Speaker 1>try to run the quick game on offense. And as

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying in the Lone I blogged during the game,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to just continue to throw the quick

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<v Speaker 1>outs to get the ball out of Love's hand, because

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<v Speaker 1>anytime there were developing routes, there was a guy in

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<v Speaker 1>his face and he's having to bail the pocket. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no timing, there was no rhythm to anything. If

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<v Speaker 1>all you can do is throw the quick stuff, well

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<v Speaker 1>then the defense is gonna eventually sit on that and

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna jump it and they're gonna make a play

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<v Speaker 1>on that. So you still have to try to mix

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<v Speaker 1>in everything else. But when everything else was being mixed in,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no rhythm, there was no consistency to anything

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<v Speaker 1>going on offense. And this offense really just ended the

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<v Speaker 1>season with in just a three week malaise of poor

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<v Speaker 1>execution and poor results.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm gonna pull down capers here for

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<v Speaker 2>one moment, just say I'm gonna start with the positives

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<v Speaker 2>first in this and then I'll bring it back to

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<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about. Everything that we saw in, everything

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<v Speaker 2>we believed in Josh Shacobs I felt like was epitomized

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<v Speaker 2>in this game. I think you can make a case

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Shacops was maybe the MVP of this entire roster

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<v Speaker 2>this season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was, and the way he.

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<v Speaker 2>Performed in his consistency when you're talking about guys that

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<v Speaker 2>showed up every single week and did it at a

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<v Speaker 2>high level. He made a few mistakes, but as we saw,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the guys that have had three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred plus carries and Packers' history, I think he had

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<v Speaker 2>four fumbles on the season. That's right around the lowest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Edgar Bennett had two one year, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on green had seven had eight For how manch

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<v Speaker 2>any times he touched the ball, I thought Josh Jacobs

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<v Speaker 2>did a really good job with it. If Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna have a chance in this thing, the way

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<v Speaker 2>he ran, particularly in the second half, which hadn't been

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<v Speaker 2>the strong point of the offense this year and the

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<v Speaker 2>way he was able to get some of the passing

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<v Speaker 2>game stuff going. He gave a speech to the guys

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<v Speaker 2>beforehand and saying, if you don't feel like you can

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<v Speaker 2>do it, follow me. I'm gonna lead this thing. How

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<v Speaker 2>driven he was to maximize this opportunity. Josh Jacobs helped

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<v Speaker 2>get the Packers to eleven wins. He helped get them

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<v Speaker 2>to the playoffs in any chance they had a winning

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<v Speaker 2>this game. I think followed number eight to bring it

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<v Speaker 2>back to what you're talking about, though, the synergy of

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<v Speaker 2>the offense just has not been there in the last

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<v Speaker 2>three games.

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<v Speaker 1>Something's been out of sync between the link between the

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<v Speaker 1>run and the pass, whatever the case might be. You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>synergy is a synergy is a great word because appears

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<v Speaker 1>not there.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I'm struggling the most with this. I don't discount

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<v Speaker 2>what Christian Watson means to this team. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>big play, playmaker, but they've played most of the last

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<v Speaker 2>season without him. They missed Aaron Jones for just under

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<v Speaker 2>half the season as well, and they found ways down

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<v Speaker 2>the stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't able to do that this year, and you

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<v Speaker 1>lost Elton Jenkins in this game too, But last year

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of shuffling going on on the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line and they were still figuring it out. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>losing Jenkins in a playoff game enormous because he had

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<v Speaker 1>to be replaced by guys who basically hadn't played and

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<v Speaker 1>that's unfortunate. But again, yeah, we're kind of scratching our

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<v Speaker 1>heads here as to exactly what the downfall was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and National Football League, by the way, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to take out an offensive lineman, just run as

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<v Speaker 2>quickly as you can with your helmet directly into his shoulder. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And Nolan Smith is going to get the job done.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Packers had that was a huge domino effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Glover goes in at left guard, doesn't go great,

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<v Speaker 2>then Kadem Telford has to come in. And as Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobs said afterwards, he actually told Telford afterwards, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really proud of you. I mean, neither Glover hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>played on offense at all. Telford had maybe like fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>snaps or something like that before that game. A bad

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<v Speaker 2>situation to be in. And by the way, any Packer

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<v Speaker 2>fans out there that took issue with them drafting Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan in the first round. You saw why Jordan Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be a first round pick and why

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted them. Credit to Telford, credit to Glover. You

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<v Speaker 2>give those guys all the respect in the world for

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<v Speaker 2>what they do and what they're going through to be

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<v Speaker 2>in that position. But the Green Bay Packers, with how

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<v Speaker 2>strong they were and how durable they were on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line this year, you kind of forget that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily have that Evan Smith, you know, on the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth guy. They don't necessarily have a guy that you

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<v Speaker 2>can turn to as that next guy up the experience

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<v Speaker 2>and also has some credits.

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<v Speaker 1>They lost him. They lost that sixth man when when

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Morgan went on injury reserve. Because whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be Morgan or Sean Ryan ultimately as the full

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<v Speaker 1>time starter at guard before the before the shoulder injury

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<v Speaker 1>cropped up again, you were going to have a sixth

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<v Speaker 1>man there that that was gonna put your offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>in a different situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And they obviously signed Andre Dillard, but Dillard was working

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<v Speaker 2>his way back from the that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The that's the other part too, and he was and

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<v Speaker 1>he was in he was inactive for this game. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>been on the injury list trying to come back from

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<v Speaker 1>a concussion for the last couple of weeks. Yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it was a bad It was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad combination of things and and uh and yeah, losing

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<v Speaker 1>Elton Jenkins, especially early in the game like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the receivers go down like later on. Hey, the

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles dealt with injuries too, they lost to Kobe Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to be trying to get to a Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl without one of their better defensive players. Hey, it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you're the seventh seed on the road, playing

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<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia, those are the kinds of things that just

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<v Speaker 1>that add to the mistake you were already making, and

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<v Speaker 1>the mistakes were being made on offense and specialty and.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to keep bringing up the fifteen playoff game here,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were so many parallels between that with how

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<v Speaker 2>banged up they were at receiver going in where you

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<v Speaker 2>already lost Christian Watson, much like they didn't have Davante

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<v Speaker 2>in that fifteen playoff game. You're down to three receivers

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<v Speaker 2>that you're finishing that game with. Right. Musgrave is still

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<v Speaker 2>working his way back at the tight end position Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Simms was down, so they just they ran. They were

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<v Speaker 2>up against it. And in credit to Philadelphia, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>every single time, other than that first quarter where green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay got some stops to help them mitigate some of

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<v Speaker 2>the damage there early on and get through those early

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<v Speaker 2>interceptions from Love when green Bay started to score, Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 2>matched it every time yep in the second half, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's ultimately why they won the football game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that's what it came down to. The

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<v Speaker 1>Packers defense held tough, held really really strong. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the fact that it was only ten to nothing

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<v Speaker 1>at halftime was was an impressive showing by the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously the opening touchdown because of the fumble on the

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<v Speaker 1>opening kickoff, we'll get back to that in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but the defense had a stretch there from after that

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<v Speaker 1>first possession with the short field through the opening possession

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<v Speaker 1>of the second half. That was six drives for the Eagles,

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<v Speaker 1>five punts in a field goal against a team that

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<v Speaker 1>was fourteen to three in the regular season and got

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<v Speaker 1>it starting quarterback back for this game. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>winning performance from the defense. Unfortunately, the way things unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>is then when once the Packers did get on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>They got it to ten to three, but then the

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<v Speaker 1>defense wasn't able to get it back to the offense

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<v Speaker 1>with just a one score deficition. It becomes sixteen to three.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the Packers score. Jacobs has the big rundown of

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<v Speaker 1>the one yard line. Packers score get it to sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>to ten, but then the defense was not able to

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<v Speaker 1>get the ball back to the offense with the one

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<v Speaker 1>score deficit. The Jordan Love won, the offense finally was

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<v Speaker 1>starting to find something. Jordan Love didn't have the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in his hands, just needing one score to either even

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<v Speaker 1>up the game or potentially take the lead. That just

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<v Speaker 1>never happened. And that's why you can't. You can't start

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<v Speaker 1>as poorly as the Packers did. You cannot put up

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<v Speaker 1>a goose egg in the first half on the scoreboard

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<v Speaker 1>in a playoff game. And yeah, I mean if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you had told me, if you had told me

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of the fourth quarter that the Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles were gonna have sixteen points on the board, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have said, the Packers are winning the game and

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<v Speaker 1>going to Detroit. I was telling you you would take that.

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<v Speaker 1>You would take that in a heartbeat, ninety nine times

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<v Speaker 1>out of a hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>My whole thing all week, and you had to hear

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<v Speaker 2>me say this was I thought it was gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>the first to thirty win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I totally agreed with you on that.

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<v Speaker 2>These two teams barely got to thirty together. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>it turned into something. And that's respect to Fangio's defense,

0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.840
<v Speaker 2>that's respect to Jeff Hafley's defense. I'm not discounting that

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<v Speaker 2>both of those are top five defenses. Fangios was the

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<v Speaker 2>best of the National Football League from a yardage perspect

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<v Speaker 2>but I just felt like, based on what we saw

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<v Speaker 2>in Brazil, it was going to follow that track. AJ

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<v Speaker 2>Brown had one catch for ten yards, right. Saquon Barkley

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<v Speaker 2>did what he always did, although he didn't get the

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<v Speaker 2>huge explosive this time. He just did it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wearing down, Yeah, the offense or the defensive line. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, Mike. For me, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many people out in Philadelphia wrote about this, but

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Goddard was the MVP of this game for me,

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<v Speaker 2>because when you talk about veteran players that step up

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<v Speaker 2>and a guy that had to deal with some big

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<v Speaker 2>injuries this year, Yeah, he was sort of the safety

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<v Speaker 2>valve that finally got Jalen Hurts going in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>his touchdown, where you know, you know, again we can

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<v Speaker 2>have that conversation about being offensive players doing the illegal

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<v Speaker 2>hands of the face thing, and that's fine, but whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the case may be, he's the one that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got them going there in the second half and in

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<v Speaker 2>obviously one hundred and thirty one passing yards for Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Hurts was enough to win this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that's and at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>the Eagles had the Eagles had a couple penalties, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some things that set them back like here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>but ultimately the Eagles didn't the Eagles didn't make a

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<v Speaker 1>big mistake. They they played for the most part, they

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<v Speaker 1>played air free football. I mean to the extent that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Packers had made so many mistakes early

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<v Speaker 1>with the fumble on the opening kickoff, the two interceptions

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half, that there were two instances on

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<v Speaker 1>third and long where they just handed it off to

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<v Speaker 1>Berkley because they're like, we're not going to put our

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback in a bad situation. We're I mean, the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>have made enough mistakes to give the Eagles the lead,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Eagles are just going to be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna you know, we're not going to try to

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<v Speaker 1>do something crazy on third and long. We'll hand it

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<v Speaker 1>off to Barkley. Maybe he breaks it. If he doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll punt the football because we're not going to make

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of mistake that can change the game. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the way they were playing because of how the Packers started,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to that start right now. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>there is if there is a big fat what if

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<v Speaker 1>about this football game. And I hate playing this game

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<v Speaker 1>the what if game, because we can talk about We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the injury to Jenkins and the Packers losing

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<v Speaker 1>their receivers and all this other stuff. The biggest what

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<v Speaker 1>if that's hanging over this game is what if the

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<v Speaker 1>replay review gives the ball back to the Packers on

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<v Speaker 1>the opening kickoff? Because everybody saw it. I mean, however,

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<v Speaker 1>many millions of people are watching this game on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>It sure looked like the skycam showed that Kishawn Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>had recovered that ball and then it got ripped away

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<v Speaker 1>from him later on like down under the pile. And

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon even said Basically, he felt like it was two guys,

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<v Speaker 1>one on each side of him that were ripping his

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<v Speaker 1>arms apart, so that the ball then came out again,

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<v Speaker 1>and the end the Eagles came out of the pile

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<v Speaker 1>with the ball. They reviewed it. They said the call stands,

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously it wasn't in their mind, it wasn't conclusive

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<v Speaker 1>enough that Nixon had recovered the ball and secured the recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>The question we were talking about before we turn the

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<v Speaker 1>cameras on, is there are these things floating around out

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<v Speaker 1>there is did the replay center in New York actually

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<v Speaker 1>have access to the overhead camera or did it only

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<v Speaker 1>have the more traditional camera angles used to broadcast the game.

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<v Speaker 1>If New York didn't have access to the overhead camera,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally understand the call that they made. But if

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<v Speaker 1>that is true, and I'm not saying that it is,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it is. It's just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>something that we're hearing. But if that is true, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand that at all. And if it isn't true,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they did have the look at the overhead camera,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how you can say Keishawn Nixon didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that ball on the ground and he's clearly down

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<v Speaker 1>by contact.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just gone back and forth over this in my head,

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<v Speaker 2>and because the first and foremost like, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to sit here and say, okay, well, all this is

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<v Speaker 2>mitigated if you hold onto the football right. Aaron Burks

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<v Speaker 2>also through his helmet directly into Kishan's face mask, which

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<v Speaker 2>also shouldn't be happening. Whether it should be penalized, I

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<v Speaker 2>assume orn will be fine for that, I think, But

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the case may be, Kishan's human, like, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>why that happens. A helmet to helmet, helmet to face

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<v Speaker 2>mask hit is going to have repercussions to it. What

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<v Speaker 2>I'm NFL officiating has its challenges, and I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be more understanding of what the humans on the field

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<v Speaker 2>are going through and what they're dealing with in the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything surrounding NFL officiating is so antiquated. It is so antiquated.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything evolves with this game. The players evolve, the technology evolves.

0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.800
<v Speaker 2>We listen to Matt Leafluor talk for thirty eight minutes today.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the stuff he's mentioning how he goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to his analytics department to see hey, how are we

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<v Speaker 2>doing with shotgun play action? How are we doing with

0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff under center? They gave him the percentages where they

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<v Speaker 2>rank in the National Football League, and yet you have

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<v Speaker 2>the most popular sport in the world that's being disseminated

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<v Speaker 2>to the entire country and in part you know, basically

0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.280
<v Speaker 2>every part of the world sees these skys camshots and

0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Brad Allen and his crew it's a scrum. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>human element, but they missed it. They missed Oran, they

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<v Speaker 2>missed the fumble recovery, and New York stops the game,

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<v Speaker 2>looks at it, evidently gets a high sea scratches its

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<v Speaker 2>head a little bit and says, now play stands yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then moments later it's seven to nothing Eagles. I

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<v Speaker 2>say it every year, Mike. I said it two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago as it related to another game in the National

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<v Speaker 2>Football League. There's always going to be these plays that

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<v Speaker 2>happen in the playoffs that change the outcome. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying the Packers win that game, right, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>Packers did not pill you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, That's why I termed it as it's the bit

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<v Speaker 1>what if of this football game? Is if that turnover

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<v Speaker 1>on the opening kickoff is not a turnover. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>what if that we'll never know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a number of games left to be played.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet there's going to be another officiating thing. We have

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<v Speaker 2>all this garbage of this replay assists stuff that is

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<v Speaker 2>at times utilized and at times not utilized, and at

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<v Speaker 2>times makes no sense. But yet you have an instance

0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.480
<v Speaker 2>like that where you have technology showing what's happening on

0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the play and not even like the stuff that happened

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<v Speaker 2>with Egdri and Cooper a couple weeks ago, where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you're looking as the dress gold or is it blue?

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas the off sides is he not? No, you legitimately

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<v Speaker 2>see Keishan with the hand with the ball in his hand.

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<v Speaker 2>And if New York doesn't have that technology, what are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing here? Yea? Why are we playing this game? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And my and my larger problems as many know what

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<v Speaker 1>I've said about the safety rules and replay review and

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<v Speaker 1>everything like that, if the NFL, if the NFL is

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<v Speaker 1>looking at that replay and and they deem because I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I will confess I don't know all the rules as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the helmet hits, whether a guy supposedly needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be launching himself, you know, in certain situations or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. I don't know all the

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<v Speaker 1>helmet to helmet rules, but if the NFL is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at that, and if that is, if that helmet to

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<v Speaker 1>helmet shot by Burkes on Nixon is something that is

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<v Speaker 1>going to generate a fine for Oran Burks, and all

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<v Speaker 1>that the replay did was decide nothing because they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>figure out apparently who had the ball under the scrum.

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.159
<v Speaker 1>And Aaron Burks is going to get a FedEx in

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<v Speaker 1>his locker for with a fifteen thousand dollars fine for

0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a helmet hit. And that's a play that started a

0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.399
<v Speaker 1>playoff game and handed a seven to nothing lead, or

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been a minimum three to nothing lead

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<v Speaker 1>even if the Packers defense rises up there. What are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, well, we're making money, is what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's exactly what the league is doing. But

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<v Speaker 1>I what I am most frustrated with, and it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to it comes to obviously a bigger spotlight in the

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:04.880
<v Speaker 1>playoff games, but just this what the NFL is passing off,

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<v Speaker 1>what needs to be accepted with regard to these safety rules,

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<v Speaker 1>is that some are going to get flagged in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>but then we're going to review them and they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get fined. And then some are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be flagged in the game, and then they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be fined, and the players are going to get

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.239
<v Speaker 1>money taken out of their pocketbook. But these are just

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the results that everybody has to accept. I'm sorry, it's

0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 1>gotten to the point of being unacceptable, especially when if

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<v Speaker 1>indeed that Oron Burks gets fined for that helmet shot,

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<v Speaker 1>when it impacts a playoff game to the extent that

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<v Speaker 1>this one did. Sorry, I'll get off the soapbox.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent points all around. Let's say Oron doesn't get fined

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<v Speaker 2>at all. The independent neurologist calls Keishawn Nixon off the

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<v Speaker 2>field to take a look. Right, why did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did that happen? What technology did the independent neurologists

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<v Speaker 2>have to see? Hey, yeah, Keishaw Nixon, we need to

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 2>take a look at him. The Eagles player just drill

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 2>them in that helmet with his helmet. But yet we

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 2>can't do anything about these things. Right, So again, the

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 2>National Football League, they want to make their cash, They

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:09.960
<v Speaker 2>want to get things going. The ad revenue is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>come in, the Super Bowl be played, they're gonna hand

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>out the trophy again to somebody. But in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the x's and o is and what these people invest

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<v Speaker 2>into this game. Yeah, if there's stuff available to you

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<v Speaker 2>to make it a cleaner, more palatable product, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and by the way, the other thing that absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>needs to get thrown out the door this offseason would

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<v Speaker 2>be amazing if they could do this this stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>if we see it, you know, if it has to

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 2>be all these things, but we'll flag it. We won't

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 2>flag it, but we'll find it. And that's how we're

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:39.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna do it. This is stuff that led to Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobs having all those random fines, like.

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<v Speaker 1>And he spent spent the season appealing fines and and

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<v Speaker 1>I want at least one appeal from uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to some good reporting by Pete Doherty there that

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.439
<v Speaker 1>we found out about. But yeah, I mean exactly, it

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<v Speaker 1>just becomes a question of of of what are we

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<v Speaker 1>All right, other results around wild Card weekend. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start with the AFC because I want to give

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<v Speaker 1>a shout out to the Houston Texans. Shout out Demico

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Ryans and that defense brought it on Saturday afternoon. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked to I think we mentioned on our last show

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<v Speaker 1>how every time Houston has been in the playoffs, they've

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<v Speaker 1>been in the Saturday three thirty, you know, central kickoff

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<v Speaker 1>of Wildcard.

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<v Speaker 2>Week Are they in it next weekend? Did we see?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>There are?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Houston, You're right speak the Houston Kansas City once

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>again Saturday at three point thirty. But uh man, oh man, Houston,

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and and this just this just goes to show that

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that when you when you can rise up in the

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<v Speaker 1>big moments and play your best football when it matters.

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>H I mean what Houston did a very up and

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>down season, a very humbling loss late in the season

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 1>to another playoff contender in the Baltimore Ravens. But boy,

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>that uh uh, that defense gave Justin Herbert and the

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Chargers fits and uh and that game was not about c. J.

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Stroud or Joe Mixon at all. That game was all

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>about Houston, Texas and that Demico Ryans defense. And I'm

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, Kansas City is obviously a heavy favorite to

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>go to the AFC Championship and beat Houston at Arrowhead,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am very curious to see what Houston's defense

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<v Speaker 1>does against a Kansas City offense that has never really

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>been clicking on all cylinders this season.

0:24:58.000 --> 0:24:59.680
<v Speaker 2>No, not at all, And it.

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Makes for a very intriguing matchup. And we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about that on our next show as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I gotta say, man, Justin Herbert had four interceptions.

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 2>He had three during the regular season total. Wow.

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 2>My crack colleague and our assistant director of communications when

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 2>we were watching this, Tom Fanning, I believe he told

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>me that Justin Herbert had never had more than two

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.120
<v Speaker 2>interceptions in a game before, and they had four.

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>In this game.

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<v Speaker 2>Derek Stingley by the way when you talk about the

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>top cornerbacks in the league, I think it's probably time

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to He got a first team All Pro honors, people

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 2>respecting him. But like he's in that conversation now, he's

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>lived up to his potential.

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>It needs to be said. Not all four of those

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>interceptions were Herbert's fault, though his receivers were letting him

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>were letting him down big time.

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 2>But I mean it goes to the overall thing. I mean,

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>they basically had you know, McConkey was the one guy

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of going for him. Kudos to JK. Dobbins.

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I have so much respect for that dude coming back

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 2>from the injuries he did getting back from the injuries

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>he did this season, no doubt. But the charge running

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 2>game was non existence and it basically just became the

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Lad McConkie show, and it just did

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>not was not a good recipe for success. No for

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the formerly known as the San Diego Superchart.

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 1>No, it was not. The other AFC games I think

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty much went as as expected, you know, I mean

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I was surprised that Denver didn't put up a better fight.

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>In Buffalo, they score on the opening possession, of the game,

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and then they didn't score the rest of the game,

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and Buffalo Buffalo turns that one into a blowout. And

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the Pittsburgh Steelers just completely no showed in the first

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>half in Baltimore, you know, down twenty one to nothing,

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson ran all over him

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 1>for whatever it was three hundred rushing yards or two

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine or whatever the number was. On the NFC side,

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>you gotta give it up to the Cardiac Commanders brother

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>five consecutive games now five straight, four to end the

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>regular season, first playoff game, and seven overall if you

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>include two games from earlier in the year. The Washington

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Commanders win a game on literally or pretty much effectively,

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the last play of the football game. It is unbelievable

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the run that Dan Quinn and the Washington Commanders and

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Jayden Daniels and those guys are on. And this one

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>is not just a walk off field goal, it's a

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>walk off doink and in field people to win on

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the road at Tampa Bay. And it's the Washington Commanders

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>getting the shot at the Detroit Lions in the divisional round.

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately for Zaane Gonzales, that thing went in because otherwise

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>him checking his hair fifty eight times and then Deinten

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven yarder, you would have never lived that down. Listen, man,

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 2>You and I we've spent a lot of unscripteds when

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at the league talking about Jayden Daniels and

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 2>and just the enigma he's been this year. He's been

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>a force, and he was a force in this game.

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Washington did not run the ball well they needed they

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 2>needed Daniels to be the guy that he's been all season,

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and he stepped up. And when you talk about these

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>comebacks late, the way he's performed in the fourth quarter,

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what his QBR coback rating is in

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>those instances, but he's really stepped up for them.

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>There hasn't There hasn't been. I can't remember a rookie

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>quarterback who has appeared so completely unflappable in clutch situations,

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter, in overtime, whatever you want to

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>call it, than what we've seen from Jade and Daniels,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is remarkable what he has done in

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>crunch time of games.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and Baker Mayfield played a fine game. It

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 2>just it was one of those things where mattl Floor

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 2>talks about this every once in a while, where it

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>just comes down to possessions and Washington never punted. So

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you're in those situations.

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dan Quinn was going for it on fourth down on.

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>The retime well every time, every time, and other than

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 2>kicking field goals. So a remarkable performance, be honest with you,

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 2>jealous wise, that's kind of why I was like, oh, Packers,

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>if you can.

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Get that sixth seed, Yeah, exactly, that's gonna happen. That's

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that's why the sixth seed matters. The difference between that.

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>It was the difference between playing a ten win Buccaneers

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>team and a fourteen win Eagles team in the first round.

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>That's the difference. That's why. It's why positioning matters, It's

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>why momentum matters, It's why playing your best football being

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>healthy matters.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>They're up against it going up against Detroit in that offense,

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>but you know they're with there with commanders offense. Man,

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>they could play with anybody. So I think Jade Daniels,

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>we can all agree at this point, is a guy

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 2>that can put up the points if you need him too.

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's a fresh matchup.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Baker Mayfield, he's going to take into the offseason.

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>You said, as you said, he played a solid game.

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>But the one botched handoff that was it, that created

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>one mistake, created the short field for Washington to get

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a touchdown after they had failed on fourth and goal.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>They get the ball back right around the twenty yard

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>line or whatever it was, and then they end up

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>scoring the touchdown anyway. And that's a tough way, certainly

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a tough way for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to go out.

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>But speaking of tough ways, yeah, speaking of tough ways

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to go out, here's we had talked about. Sean McVay

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>and I just I just went through the list. Positioning matters,

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Momentum matters, being healthy, playing your best football matters, right,

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Sean McVay said, positioning doesn't matter. He didn't care about

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>whether he was the three or the four seed. He

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>obviously felt that with the wins that his team had

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>built up that they had enough momentum, right, so he

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>prioritized health. He prioritized his guys being rested and healthy

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>over everything, and so he didn't care that he dropped

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to the four seed. Or was it just the evil

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 1>genius plan of Sean McVay knowing that, well, if we

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>get the four seed, you're going to get a team

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>coming off of a devastating loss because of what would

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>be at stake physically and a physically, you know, wear

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>you out type of football game. And yeah, the Vikings.

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>You talk about the Packers, you know, the way the

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>offense hit the skids late. The Packers go from eleven

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>to four with two games in the regular season to

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>go to out of the playoffs after one postseason game

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>three weeks later, the Vikings go from fourteen in two

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>playing for the number one seed and the bye and

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the home field advantage, to eight quarters later their season

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>is over and they are out. That has to be

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>one of the bigger kicks in the teeth that I

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>have witnessed in terms of it happening the way it

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>did to the Minnesota Viking.

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to change my tune because I congratulate

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Sam Donald on everything he did this year. He played.

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>He deserves to be in the Pro Bowl. He played

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 2>an unreal season he did. But this game really spoke

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to the difference between with respect, Sam Donald and someone

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>like Matthew Stafford, who has played this game for as

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>long as he has, he's won a super Bowl. And

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>credit to the Rams for the way they made themselves,

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and credit to the Cardinals too, and everyone down in

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Arizona for how they made them feel at home in

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>a very hard situation, a very emotional situation, something much

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>bigger than football that's happening in LA and how they

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>had to really uproot themselves and go down and play

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>this game. And they had the field, the practice field

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>they did in Rams colors, So credit to them on that.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>It was a lot that was going on surrounding this game.

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.959
<v Speaker 2>But boy, I tell you, man, I said this to you.

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I wrote it an inbox, the difference of having a

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 2>healthy Stafford, a healthy Puka Nukua, a healthy Tyler Higbee

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and then.

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Who ended up ended up getting hurt and leaving the game.

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, before that, but no, he was a huge

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>factor in the early port.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 2>And then Cooper Cup makes one catch and it was

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of a big one. Yeah, I mean like it,

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>it's the way these things go. You can't make mistakes.

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>The Vikings made way too many in the first half,

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 2>and that was it.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's a couple questions I want to throw at you.

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>And then we'll wrap this up with regard with regard

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Vikings, is is the less is the lesson

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>or the big picture thing? When it comes to Sam Donald,

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that experience in really big games matters because where he

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>had gone in his career and all the games that

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he had lost, and all the struggles he had had

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>with the Jets and with the Panthers. How many big,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>truly big games had Sam Donald played in?

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest was he played a career game

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>against the Green Bay Packers at us Bank Stadium. But

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>then as the stakes got higher against Detroit. Now that's

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>on the road obviously, and then and then against against

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the Rams in sort of on the road slash neutral site,

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald's inexperience in big games showed, and it showed

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>big time. And and that leaves the Vikings with what

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>we thought a couple of weeks ago was a slam

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>dunk decision in terms of their quarterback for next year.

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Now now it it's not such a slam duck.

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Is it? No? And Okay, so two things is the

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 2>first part of that question, like, I am just completely

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>perplexed at what happened with Minnesota. I mean, the Rams

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>defense was not a world beater this year. No, They

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>ranked near the bottom of the league for most of

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the season. Now, credit to Sean McVay. Again, that's a

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>sign of good coaching. They got him peaking at the

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>end of the year. They got a little bit healthier

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 2>as well. But I mean the amount of pressure they

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 2>generated on Sam Donald, whether it was the four man rushes,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was blitzes, I mean like they got after

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<v Speaker 2>him and he did not respond well to it. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm really torn about what the decision now becomes

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<v Speaker 2>with Donald. And you can play back the Packers unscripted

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<v Speaker 2>of me saying hey absolutely have to sign him thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>days ago. But it's like, Okay, Kevin O'Connell has built

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<v Speaker 2>up enough positive vibes there. He's thirty four and seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>They have not won a playoff game, but he has

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<v Speaker 2>a thirteen win season on his resume and a fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>win season on his resume. If there was ever a

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<v Speaker 2>time if you want to invest into the young quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna get some grace, this is it, as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to what is it going to cost to keep

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Donald? If Sam Donald is going to be back

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty million dollars or even thirty million dollars, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like what Baker's playing for, you probably give it another go.

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<v Speaker 2>But does he want a long term contract? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put a franchise tag on them? Like? These are

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<v Speaker 2>the type of decisions they're going to have to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the reason to bring this all back around, the

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<v Speaker 2>Vikings were the second oldest team in the National Football

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<v Speaker 2>League going into the year, behind Miami. They're not a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of young bucks. They kind of were looking to

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<v Speaker 2>win as soon as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you look at their list of pending free agents.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at the list of pending free agents. Now,

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>they're not all going to be gone. They're going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring back some of those guys, but the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>they're but the guys that they are going to bring

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<v Speaker 1>back are going to eat up most of their cap space.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have the quarterback decision to make. On

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are some people losing their mind an inbox like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Vikings have all this cap so, yeah, because they

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<v Speaker 2>have a bunch of unrestricted free agents coming up. Yeah's

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<v Speaker 2>why they got caps.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they have caps.

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<v Speaker 2>And the quarterback made ten million dollars this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's let's see, let's see where

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<v Speaker 1>the let's see where the cap space is when free agency,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, gets underway and gets rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>Here Dad's wall, it's always fatter before the kids asked

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the arcade.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I mean. So well, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Rams heading to Philadelphia, It's the Commanders heading to Detroit.

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<v Speaker 1>On the AFC side. Baltimore at Buffalo, that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the last of the four games of divisional weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to be a doozy. I actually just saw something.

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<v Speaker 1>And gambling remains illegal at Bushwood. But the Buffalo Bills

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>are a home playoff underdog for the first time in

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's eighteen or nineteen playoff game home playoff

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 1>games in They're franchise of history. The Baltimore Ravens are

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<v Speaker 1>actually favored on the road in Buffalo Bill's mafias. That's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a doozy of a game. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it more on our next show. Obviously, Houston

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>is Houston's going to Kansas City to face Patrick Mahomes,

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<v Speaker 1>who hasn't thrown a pass since he opened a present

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<v Speaker 1>on Christmas Day or something. Yeah, I mean it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but we'll see. We do have one more

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<v Speaker 1>show before we're going to sign off for the season.

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<v Speaker 1>We will record another show later this week and then

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<v Speaker 1>we will say goodbye for a portion of the off season.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we come back, it will be this right here,

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