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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined by the

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Speaker 1: suddenly clean shaven Western Hodkowitz, and we're coming to you

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Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field, unfortunately, to recap

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Speaker 1: a season ending NFC Wildcard playoff loss. The final was

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Speaker 1: twenty two to ten at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: and Wes' if there's anything that is going to be

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Speaker 1: the you know the recurring theme of the downfall of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Green Bay Packers, it's that when

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Speaker 1: they had a really, really big game to play, they

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Speaker 1: didn't start it well enough to be able to win it.

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Speaker 2: This is the hardest part for me, as you and

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Speaker 2: I were coming back on the plane and obviously writing

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Speaker 2: our content and everything that's followed these last couple of days,

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Speaker 2: is there were so many things we talked about going

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Speaker 2: into this game, and the Packers knew it too, that

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Speaker 2: had to get accomplished, and realistically they didn't achieve any

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Speaker 2: of them. I was talking to my father after I

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Speaker 2: got home from the game. Sometimes the old father son talk,

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Speaker 2: you kind of debrief about.

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Speaker 1: Work, and I do it via text message, Yeah with

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Speaker 1: my dad.

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Speaker 2: Your dad's down in platform. Mine lives two miles away

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Speaker 2: from me, so it feasy. But like I said, I

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Speaker 2: was like, that was the most disappointing part of this

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Speaker 2: game for me. Is nothing surprising happened relative to what

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Speaker 2: you knew. The worst case scenario could be. It was

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Speaker 2: an early turnover on the kickoff. It was losing the

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Speaker 2: turnover margin four to zero for the game, not being

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Speaker 2: able to get off to a fast start offensively, struggling

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Speaker 2: to find a rhythm and Mike. One of the things

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Speaker 2: we talked about last week. Ifiladelphia was gonna lock it

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Speaker 2: down and take care of and remove the threat of

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Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs that early on, the Packers had to take

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Speaker 2: advantage well the Eagles, and which had a very respectable

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Speaker 2: run defense, not number one ranked like their pass defense,

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Speaker 2: but number top ten. Well, they were able to contain

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Speaker 2: him with a light box. They kept the shell on

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Speaker 2: the top of the defense, and as Jaden Reid talked

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Speaker 2: about after the game, they just the Packers had to

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Speaker 2: kind of play underneath that. And when that's the case,

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Speaker 2: you have to find ways to create explosive plays. You

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Speaker 2: got to make guys miss. You have to get into

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Speaker 2: the open field, and Green Bay just struggled to do

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Speaker 2: that and their season ended because of it. It's very

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Speaker 2: strange footing for me, Mike. This is the first time

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Speaker 2: in my time with the Green Bay Packers in which

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Speaker 2: they've made the playoffs and have not been in the

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Speaker 2: divisional round. Whether it was as a buy or whether

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Speaker 2: they played into it. This is the first time the

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Speaker 2: Packers have lost in the wildcard round since twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: my last year at the Prescazette. So that there's just

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Speaker 2: this feeling all week long of not like whatever the

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Speaker 2: antithesis of like finality would be, it's just inconclusive. You know.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like, as you wrote about some of

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Speaker 2: our stories this week, we never really saw the Packers

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Speaker 2: play their best ball. They won eleven games, and now

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Speaker 2: they're off into the offseason once again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly frustrating. And Matt Lefuir talked about it

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Speaker 1: his season ending news conference was shortly before we turned

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Speaker 1: the cameras on here, talked about just how disappointing it

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Speaker 1: was for the for the offense to hit the skids

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, and everybody's questioning, you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: what went wrong and everything, and I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm one who tries to look at it from a

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Speaker 1: big picture perspective. I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong

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Speaker 1: things started to go south in Minnesota in the second

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Speaker 1: to last regular season game, the Packers had scored thirty

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Speaker 1: plus points five games in a row. That's what makes

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Speaker 1: the finish the Minnesota game, the Chicago game, and then

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia game. That's what makes it so so headscore

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Speaker 1: and so surprising. I mean, yes, the end result in

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia was not surprising based on what had happened in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota and leading up to it. The Packers didn't have momentum,

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Speaker 1: They had the toughest playoff position as the seventh seat.

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Speaker 1: They were not healthy, they were dealing with they were

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Speaker 1: so much to to try to process there. But offensively,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you said it. The Eagles were able to

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Speaker 1: I was saying in the Lone I blogged during the game,

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to just continue to throw the quick

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Speaker 1: anytime there were developing routes, there was a guy in

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Speaker 1: was no timing, there was no rhythm to anything. If

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Speaker 1: on that. So you still have to try to mix

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Speaker 1: season with in just a three week malaise of poor

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm gonna pull down capers here for

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Speaker 2: one moment, just say I'm gonna start with the positives

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Speaker 2: first in this and then I'll bring it back to

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about. Everything that we saw in, everything

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Speaker 2: we believed in Josh Shacobs I felt like was epitomized

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Speaker 2: Josh Shacops was maybe the MVP of this entire roster

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 1: I think he was, and the way he.

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Speaker 2: Performed in his consistency when you're talking about guys that

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Speaker 2: showed up every single week and did it at a

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Speaker 2: high level. He made a few mistakes, but as we saw,

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Speaker 2: if you look at the guys that have had three

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Speaker 2: four fumbles on the season. That's right around the lowest.

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Speaker 2: I think Edgar Bennett had two one year, but you know,

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Speaker 2: any times he touched the ball, I thought Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 2: did a really good job with it. If Green Bay

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Speaker 2: he ran, particularly in the second half, which hadn't been

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Speaker 2: the strong point of the offense this year and the

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Speaker 2: beforehand and saying, if you don't feel like you can

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Speaker 2: driven he was to maximize this opportunity. Josh Jacobs helped

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Speaker 2: get the Packers to eleven wins. He helped get them

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Speaker 2: this game. I think followed number eight to bring it

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Speaker 2: back to what you're talking about, though, the synergy of

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Speaker 2: the offense just has not been there in the last

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Speaker 1: Something's been out of sync between the link between the

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Speaker 1: run and the pass, whatever the case might be. You're right,

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Speaker 1: synergy is a synergy is a great word because appears

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Speaker 2: Why I'm struggling the most with this. I don't discount

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Speaker 2: what Christian Watson means to this team. He is a

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Speaker 2: big play, playmaker, but they've played most of the last

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Speaker 2: season without him. They missed Aaron Jones for just under

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Speaker 2: half the season as well, and they found ways down

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Speaker 1: They weren't able to do that this year, and you

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Speaker 1: lost Elton Jenkins in this game too, But last year

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of shuffling going on on the

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Speaker 1: to be replaced by guys who basically hadn't played and

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Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. But again, yeah, we're kind of scratching our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and National Football League, by the way, if you

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Speaker 2: want to take out an offensive lineman, just run as

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Speaker 2: And Nolan Smith is going to get the job done.

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Speaker 2: So the Packers had that was a huge domino effect.

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Speaker 2: Travis Glover goes in at left guard, doesn't go great,

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Speaker 2: then Kadem Telford has to come in. And as Josh

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Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you. I mean, neither Glover hadn't

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Speaker 2: situation to be in. And by the way, any Packer

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Speaker 2: they wanted them. Credit to Telford, credit to Glover. You

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Speaker 2: in that position. But the Green Bay Packers, with how

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Speaker 2: and also has some credits.

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Speaker 1: They lost him. They lost that sixth man when when

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Speaker 2: And they obviously signed Andre Dillard, but Dillard was working

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Speaker 1: The that's the other part too, and he was and

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Speaker 1: then the receivers go down like later on. Hey, the

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Speaker 1: Eagles dealt with injuries too, they lost to Kobe Dean.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be trying to get to a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl without one of their better defensive players. Hey, it happens.

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Speaker 1: But when you're the seventh seed on the road, playing

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, those are the kinds of things that just

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Speaker 1: the mistakes were being made on offense and specialty and.

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Speaker 2: Not to keep bringing up the fifteen playoff game here,

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Speaker 2: but there were so many parallels between that with how

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Speaker 2: already lost Christian Watson, much like they didn't have Davante

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Speaker 2: that you're finishing that game with. Right. Musgrave is still

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Speaker 2: My whole thing all week, and you had to hear

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Speaker 2: missed the fumble recovery, and New York stops the game,

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Speaker 2: and then moments later it's seven to nothing Eagles. I

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Speaker 1: Well, That's why I termed it as it's the bit

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Speaker 2: And there's a number of games left to be played.

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Speaker 2: Yet there's going to be another officiating thing. We have

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Speaker 2: all this garbage of this replay assists stuff that is

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Speaker 2: And if New York doesn't have that technology, what are

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Speaker 1: And my and my larger problems as many know what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's exactly what the league is doing. But

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Speaker 2: at all. The independent neurologist calls Keishawn Nixon off the

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Speaker 2: field to take a look. Right, why did that happen?

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Speaker 2: Why did that happen? What technology did the independent neurologists

437
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Speaker 2: have to see? Hey, yeah, Keishaw Nixon, we need to

438
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Speaker 2: take a look at him. The Eagles player just drill

439
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: them in that helmet with his helmet. But yet we

440
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: can't do anything about these things. Right, So again, the

441
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: National Football League, they want to make their cash, They

442
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Speaker 2: want to get things going. The ad revenue is gonna

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Speaker 2: come in, the Super Bowl be played, they're gonna hand

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Speaker 2: out the trophy again to somebody. But in terms of

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Speaker 2: the x's and o is and what these people invest

446
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Speaker 2: into this game. Yeah, if there's stuff available to you

447
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: to make it a cleaner, more palatable product, let's do that.

448
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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, the other thing that absolutely

449
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Speaker 2: needs to get thrown out the door this offseason would

450
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Speaker 2: be amazing if they could do this this stuff about

451
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Speaker 2: if we see it, you know, if it has to

452
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Speaker 2: be all these things, but we'll flag it. We won't

453
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Speaker 2: flag it, but we'll find it. And that's how we're

454
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Speaker 2: gonna do it. This is stuff that led to Josh

455
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Speaker 2: Jacobs having all those random fines, like.

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Speaker 1: And he spent spent the season appealing fines and and

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Speaker 1: I want at least one appeal from uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: thanks to some good reporting by Pete Doherty there that

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Speaker 1: we found out about. But yeah, I mean exactly, it

460
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Speaker 1: just becomes a question of of of what are we

461
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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? All right, some sponsor business

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Speaker 1: All right, other results around wild Card weekend. I want

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Speaker 1: to start with the AFC because I want to give

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Speaker 1: a shout out to the Houston Texans. Shout out Demico

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Speaker 1: Ryans and that defense brought it on Saturday afternoon. We

473
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Speaker 1: talked to I think we mentioned on our last show

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Speaker 1: how every time Houston has been in the playoffs, they've

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Speaker 1: been in the Saturday three thirty, you know, central kickoff

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Speaker 1: of Wildcard.

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Speaker 2: Week Are they in it next weekend? Did we see?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: There are?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Houston, You're right speak the Houston Kansas City once

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Speaker 1: again Saturday at three point thirty. But uh man, oh man, Houston,

482
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Speaker 1: and and this just this just goes to show that

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Speaker 1: that when you when you can rise up in the

484
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Speaker 1: big moments and play your best football when it matters.

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Speaker 1: H I mean what Houston did a very up and

486
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Speaker 1: down season, a very humbling loss late in the season

487
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Speaker 1: to another playoff contender in the Baltimore Ravens. But boy,

488
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Speaker 1: that uh uh, that defense gave Justin Herbert and the

489
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Speaker 1: Chargers fits and uh and that game was not about c. J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud or Joe Mixon at all. That game was all

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Speaker 1: about Houston, Texas and that Demico Ryans defense. And I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, Kansas City is obviously a heavy favorite to

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Speaker 1: go to the AFC Championship and beat Houston at Arrowhead,

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Speaker 1: but I am very curious to see what Houston's defense

495
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Speaker 1: does against a Kansas City offense that has never really

496
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Speaker 1: been clicking on all cylinders this season.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all, And it.

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Speaker 1: Makes for a very intriguing matchup. And we can talk

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Speaker 1: more about that on our next show as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I gotta say, man, Justin Herbert had four interceptions.

501
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Speaker 2: He had three during the regular season total. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 2: My crack colleague and our assistant director of communications when

504
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Speaker 2: we were watching this, Tom Fanning, I believe he told

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Speaker 2: me that Justin Herbert had never had more than two

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Speaker 2: interceptions in a game before, and they had four.

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Speaker 1: In this game.

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Speaker 2: Derek Stingley by the way when you talk about the

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Speaker 2: top cornerbacks in the league, I think it's probably time

510
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Speaker 2: to He got a first team All Pro honors, people

511
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Speaker 2: respecting him. But like he's in that conversation now, he's

512
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Speaker 2: lived up to his potential.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be said. Not all four of those

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Speaker 1: interceptions were Herbert's fault, though his receivers were letting him

515
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Speaker 1: were letting him down big time.

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Speaker 2: But I mean it goes to the overall thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they basically had you know, McConkey was the one guy

518
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Speaker 2: that was kind of going for him. Kudos to JK. Dobbins.

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Speaker 2: I have so much respect for that dude coming back

520
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Speaker 2: from the injuries he did getting back from the injuries

521
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Speaker 2: he did this season, no doubt. But the charge running

522
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Speaker 2: game was non existence and it basically just became the

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Speaker 2: you know, the Lad McConkie show, and it just did

524
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Speaker 2: not was not a good recipe for success. No for

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Speaker 2: the formerly known as the San Diego Superchart.

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Speaker 1: No, it was not. The other AFC games I think

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Speaker 1: pretty much went as as expected, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that Denver didn't put up a better fight.

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Speaker 1: In Buffalo, they score on the opening possession, of the game,

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Speaker 1: and then they didn't score the rest of the game,

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Speaker 1: and Buffalo Buffalo turns that one into a blowout. And

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers just completely no showed in the first

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Speaker 1: half in Baltimore, you know, down twenty one to nothing,

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Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson ran all over him

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Speaker 1: for whatever it was three hundred rushing yards or two

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Speaker 1: ninety nine or whatever the number was. On the NFC side,

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Speaker 1: you gotta give it up to the Cardiac Commanders brother

538
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Speaker 1: five consecutive games now five straight, four to end the

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Speaker 1: regular season, first playoff game, and seven overall if you

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Speaker 1: include two games from earlier in the year. The Washington

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Speaker 1: Commanders win a game on literally or pretty much effectively,

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Speaker 1: the last play of the football game. It is unbelievable

543
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Speaker 1: the run that Dan Quinn and the Washington Commanders and

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Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels and those guys are on. And this one

545
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Speaker 1: is not just a walk off field goal, it's a

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Speaker 1: walk off doink and in field people to win on

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Speaker 1: the road at Tampa Bay. And it's the Washington Commanders

548
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Speaker 1: getting the shot at the Detroit Lions in the divisional round.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Zaane Gonzales, that thing went in because otherwise

550
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: him checking his hair fifty eight times and then Deinten

551
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Speaker 2: thirty seven yarder, you would have never lived that down. Listen, man,

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Speaker 2: You and I we've spent a lot of unscripteds when

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Speaker 2: we're looking at the league talking about Jayden Daniels and

554
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Speaker 2: and just the enigma he's been this year. He's been

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Speaker 2: a force, and he was a force in this game.

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Speaker 2: Washington did not run the ball well they needed they

557
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Speaker 2: needed Daniels to be the guy that he's been all season,

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Speaker 2: and he stepped up. And when you talk about these

559
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Speaker 2: comebacks late, the way he's performed in the fourth quarter,

560
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: I don't know what his QBR coback rating is in

561
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Speaker 2: those instances, but he's really stepped up for them.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't There hasn't been. I can't remember a rookie

563
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: quarterback who has appeared so completely unflappable in clutch situations,

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, in overtime, whatever you want to

565
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Speaker 1: call it, than what we've seen from Jade and Daniels,

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Speaker 1: it is. It is remarkable what he has done in

567
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Speaker 1: crunch time of games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and Baker Mayfield played a fine game. It

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Speaker 2: just it was one of those things where mattl Floor

570
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: talks about this every once in a while, where it

571
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: just comes down to possessions and Washington never punted. So

572
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're in those situations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dan Quinn was going for it on fourth down on.

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Speaker 2: The retime well every time, every time, and other than

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Speaker 2: kicking field goals. So a remarkable performance, be honest with you,

576
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Speaker 2: jealous wise, that's kind of why I was like, oh, Packers,

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Speaker 2: if you can.

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Speaker 1: Get that sixth seed, Yeah, exactly, that's gonna happen. That's

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Speaker 1: that's why the sixth seed matters. The difference between that.

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Speaker 1: It was the difference between playing a ten win Buccaneers

581
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Speaker 1: team and a fourteen win Eagles team in the first round.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference. That's why. It's why positioning matters, It's

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Speaker 1: why momentum matters, It's why playing your best football being

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Speaker 1: healthy matters.

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Speaker 2: They're up against it going up against Detroit in that offense,

586
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Speaker 2: but you know they're with there with commanders offense. Man,

587
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: they could play with anybody. So I think Jade Daniels,

588
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: we can all agree at this point, is a guy

589
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Speaker 2: that can put up the points if you need him too.

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00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: So it's a fresh matchup.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Baker Mayfield, he's going to take into the offseason.

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Speaker 1: You said, as you said, he played a solid game.

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Speaker 1: But the one botched handoff that was it, that created

594
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Speaker 1: one mistake, created the short field for Washington to get

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Speaker 1: a touchdown after they had failed on fourth and goal.

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00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: They get the ball back right around the twenty yard

597
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Speaker 1: line or whatever it was, and then they end up

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Speaker 1: scoring the touchdown anyway. And that's a tough way, certainly

599
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Speaker 1: a tough way for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to go out.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of tough ways, yeah, speaking of tough ways

601
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Speaker 1: to go out, here's we had talked about. Sean McVay

602
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Speaker 1: and I just I just went through the list. Positioning matters,

603
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Momentum matters, being healthy, playing your best football matters, right,

604
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Speaker 1: Sean McVay said, positioning doesn't matter. He didn't care about

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Speaker 1: whether he was the three or the four seed. He

606
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Speaker 1: obviously felt that with the wins that his team had

607
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: built up that they had enough momentum, right, so he

608
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Speaker 1: prioritized health. He prioritized his guys being rested and healthy

609
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Speaker 1: over everything, and so he didn't care that he dropped

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Speaker 1: to the four seed. Or was it just the evil

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Speaker 1: genius plan of Sean McVay knowing that, well, if we

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Speaker 1: get the four seed, you're going to get a team

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Speaker 1: coming off of a devastating loss because of what would

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Speaker 1: be at stake physically and a physically, you know, wear

615
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: you out type of football game. And yeah, the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: You talk about the Packers, you know, the way the

617
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: offense hit the skids late. The Packers go from eleven

618
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: to four with two games in the regular season to

619
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Speaker 1: go to out of the playoffs after one postseason game

620
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: three weeks later, the Vikings go from fourteen in two

621
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Speaker 1: playing for the number one seed and the bye and

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Speaker 1: the home field advantage, to eight quarters later their season

623
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Speaker 1: is over and they are out. That has to be

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Speaker 1: one of the bigger kicks in the teeth that I

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Speaker 1: have witnessed in terms of it happening the way it

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Speaker 1: did to the Minnesota Viking.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to change my tune because I congratulate

628
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: Sam Donald on everything he did this year. He played.

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Speaker 2: He deserves to be in the Pro Bowl. He played

630
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Speaker 2: an unreal season he did. But this game really spoke

631
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Speaker 2: to the difference between with respect, Sam Donald and someone

632
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Speaker 2: like Matthew Stafford, who has played this game for as

633
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: long as he has, he's won a super Bowl. And

634
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: credit to the Rams for the way they made themselves,

635
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Speaker 2: and credit to the Cardinals too, and everyone down in

636
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Speaker 2: Arizona for how they made them feel at home in

637
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: a very hard situation, a very emotional situation, something much

638
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: bigger than football that's happening in LA and how they

639
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: had to really uproot themselves and go down and play

640
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: this game. And they had the field, the practice field

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Speaker 2: they did in Rams colors, So credit to them on that.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot that was going on surrounding this game.

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Speaker 2: But boy, I tell you, man, I said this to you.

644
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: I wrote it an inbox, the difference of having a

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Speaker 2: healthy Stafford, a healthy Puka Nukua, a healthy Tyler Higbee

646
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Speaker 2: and then.

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Speaker 1: Who ended up ended up getting hurt and leaving the game.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, before that, but no, he was a huge

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Speaker 1: factor in the early port.

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Speaker 2: And then Cooper Cup makes one catch and it was

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Speaker 2: kind of a big one. Yeah, I mean like it,

652
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: it's the way these things go. You can't make mistakes.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings made way too many in the first half,

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Speaker 2: and that was it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a couple questions I want to throw at you.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll wrap this up with regard with regard

657
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Speaker 1: to the Vikings, is is the less is the lesson

658
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: or the big picture thing? When it comes to Sam Donald,

659
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Speaker 1: that experience in really big games matters because where he

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00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: had gone in his career and all the games that

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Speaker 1: he had lost, and all the struggles he had had

662
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: with the Jets and with the Panthers. How many big,

663
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: truly big games had Sam Donald played in?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest was he played a career game

666
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Speaker 1: against the Green Bay Packers at us Bank Stadium. But

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Speaker 1: then as the stakes got higher against Detroit. Now that's

668
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: on the road obviously, and then and then against against

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Speaker 1: the Rams in sort of on the road slash neutral site,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's inexperience in big games showed, and it showed

671
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Speaker 1: big time. And and that leaves the Vikings with what

672
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Speaker 1: we thought a couple of weeks ago was a slam

673
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Speaker 1: dunk decision in terms of their quarterback for next year.

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Speaker 1: Now now it it's not such a slam duck.

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Speaker 2: Is it? No? And Okay, so two things is the

676
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: first part of that question, like, I am just completely

677
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: perplexed at what happened with Minnesota. I mean, the Rams

678
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: defense was not a world beater this year. No, They

679
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: ranked near the bottom of the league for most of

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00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: the season. Now, credit to Sean McVay. Again, that's a

681
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Speaker 2: sign of good coaching. They got him peaking at the

682
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Speaker 2: end of the year. They got a little bit healthier

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Speaker 2: as well. But I mean the amount of pressure they

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Speaker 2: generated on Sam Donald, whether it was the four man rushes,

685
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Speaker 2: whether it was blitzes, I mean like they got after

686
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: him and he did not respond well to it. Here's

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Speaker 2: where I'm really torn about what the decision now becomes

688
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: with Donald. And you can play back the Packers unscripted

689
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: of me saying hey absolutely have to sign him thirteen

690
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: days ago. But it's like, Okay, Kevin O'Connell has built

691
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: up enough positive vibes there. He's thirty four and seventeen.

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Speaker 2: They have not won a playoff game, but he has

693
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Speaker 2: a thirteen win season on his resume and a fourteen

694
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Speaker 2: win season on his resume. If there was ever a

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Speaker 2: time if you want to invest into the young quarterback

696
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: and you're gonna get some grace, this is it, as

697
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: opposed to what is it going to cost to keep

698
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Speaker 2: Sam Donald? If Sam Donald is going to be back

699
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Speaker 2: for twenty million dollars or even thirty million dollars, I think,

700
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Speaker 2: like what Baker's playing for, you probably give it another go.

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Speaker 2: But does he want a long term contract? Are you

702
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: gonna put a franchise tag on them? Like? These are

703
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: the type of decisions they're going to have to make.

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Speaker 2: Because the reason to bring this all back around, the

705
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: Vikings were the second oldest team in the National Football

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Speaker 2: League going into the year, behind Miami. They're not a

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Speaker 2: bunch of young bucks. They kind of were looking to

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Speaker 2: win as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look at their list of pending free agents.

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00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: You look at the list of pending free agents. Now,

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00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: they're not all going to be gone. They're going to

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Speaker 1: bring back some of those guys, but the guys that

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Speaker 1: they're but the guys that they are going to bring

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00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: back are going to eat up most of their cap space.

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Speaker 1: And then you have the quarterback decision to make. On

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Speaker 1: top of that, there.

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Speaker 2: Are some people losing their mind an inbox like, well,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings have all this cap so, yeah, because they

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Speaker 2: have a bunch of unrestricted free agents coming up. Yeah's

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Speaker 2: why they got caps.

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Speaker 1: That's why they have caps.

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Speaker 2: And the quarterback made ten million dollars this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's let's see, let's see where

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Speaker 1: the let's see where the cap space is when free agency,

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00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, gets underway and gets rolling.

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00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: Here Dad's wall, it's always fatter before the kids asked

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Speaker 2: to go to the arcade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. So well, it's the

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Speaker 1: Rams heading to Philadelphia, It's the Commanders heading to Detroit.

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Speaker 1: On the AFC side. Baltimore at Buffalo, that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the last of the four games of divisional weekend.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be a doozy. I actually just saw something.

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Speaker 1: And gambling remains illegal at Bushwood. But the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 1: are a home playoff underdog for the first time in

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Speaker 1: I believe it's eighteen or nineteen playoff game home playoff

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Speaker 1: games in They're franchise of history. The Baltimore Ravens are

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: actually favored on the road in Buffalo Bill's mafias. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a doozy of a game. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about it more on our next show. Obviously, Houston

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Speaker 1: is Houston's going to Kansas City to face Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: who hasn't thrown a pass since he opened a present

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Speaker 1: on Christmas Day or something. Yeah, I mean it's been

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Speaker 1: a while, but we'll see. We do have one more

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Speaker 1: show before we're going to sign off for the season.

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Speaker 1: We will record another show later this week and then

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Speaker 1: we will say goodbye for a portion of the off season.

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Speaker 1: And when we come back, it will be this right here,

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Speaker 1: with that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Sure to follow all of our coverage

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Speaker 1: of this season wrap up week here on Packers dot

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