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Speaker 1: Fantasy Sports already a network alongside for Frankie Stample, I
Speaker 1: am Greg Susman. Frank's about reggae t G I f
Speaker 1: happy Friday. It is a happy Friday Franky for Greg Susman.
Speaker 1: Tirps our marching on Greg, Sure our baby sure ours
Speaker 1: to the dismay of my bracket. And you, Frank and
Speaker 1: you what about me? Oh m, you I think you're
Speaker 1: saying you were also not happy? Why not? Because you
Speaker 1: rooted against me heavily. I mean it didn't really matter.
Speaker 1: I don't care that much about Belmont. Now now he
Speaker 1: doesn't care about Belmont. This is unbelievable. Look at this guy.
Speaker 1: One was ready to buy a bruined sweatshirt yesterday. Now
Speaker 1: I don't really care about Belmont. Well, yeah, they want
Speaker 1: to be a million bucks. Sure, Greg Brackett would have
Speaker 1: been billion bucks he wasn't Warren Buffetts and everything else?
Speaker 1: School last night for you? You all right? Billy Joel
Speaker 1: was fun. That was last night. Yeah, it's a crazy
Speaker 1: day yesterday. Man, I mean, like like Survivor, I lost everything,
Speaker 1: which is great. Um, that's okay, marilynd once what I
Speaker 1: gonna do it? Billy Joel was great. Bavonio appreciate this.
Speaker 1: John Fogerty came out in the middle of Billy Joel concert.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Do you you know who John is?
Speaker 1: No way right? Do you can play some John Fogerty
Speaker 1: really some CCR bovona that would be very helpful. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was awesome And literally in the middle of the show.
Speaker 1: Every I my good friend John Fogerty, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So it was a great I and Frank
Speaker 1: I have to tell you they went to bed after
Speaker 1: Syracuse lost last night sing a song that this John
Speaker 1: Fogerty fortunate son, what fortunate son? It's um. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if I know what you know? You
Speaker 1: really heard this person's name before made for the band
Speaker 1: Oh that Red one Blue I do. I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying that the videos at you just heard me Billy
Speaker 1: Joel last night. It's the ants I wore as I
Speaker 1: wore song anyway, I have to tell you that it
Speaker 1: wasn't bed after the Syracuse came last night about midnight
Speaker 1: ish or so and listen to me. It took me
Speaker 1: strangely long time to get home, but finally got home,
Speaker 1: I watch the end of the Syracuse game, I went
Speaker 1: to bed. I have not slept as well in I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how long. No, I did not wake
Speaker 1: up to my long one off, and I woke up
Speaker 1: so refreshed as a wow. I think you had this
Speaker 1: warning if you drink last night, had a cold beers
Speaker 1: had had a cold home, But it wasn't like. I
Speaker 1: woke up feeling right like I had a beer here
Speaker 1: um to celebrate, and then I had a beer at
Speaker 1: the concert. That was it just col just too and
Speaker 1: I slept. I had a weird dream that intersected wrestling
Speaker 1: with Game of Thrones, which is kind of cool. Like
Speaker 1: some of these wrestlers were like down, but like their
Speaker 1: eyes were like it was like frozen and they blew
Speaker 1: like the night the Yeah, yeah, it's like it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I woke up. So I woke up. This wasn't dreaming
Speaker 1: about work. I woke up feeling incredibly like refreshed and
Speaker 1: I ready to go. And I had to say, like,
Speaker 1: it's not normally how I feel on Monday's Like on
Speaker 1: Monday I wake up, I'm like, all right, I'm ready
Speaker 1: for the week, and then by Tuesday Wednesday, it's like
Speaker 1: a disaster. Today I woke up feeling great. Of course,
Speaker 1: I woke up to a text message from Vona saying
Speaker 1: water was everything and everything was broken. That wasn't great.
Speaker 1: Um sorry, yeah, yeah, it's basically the window popped open
Speaker 1: because the ball the wind last night and all the
Speaker 1: rain came on everything on the remote side. Everything was
Speaker 1: down this morning. First I'm hearing about this, Frank, your
Speaker 1: life seems to be good. Um, come in, put my
Speaker 1: head down, do my job. Leave is happy to be
Speaker 1: here exactly, So so I walked in. Carl fixed everything,
Speaker 1: and I decided that I'm gonna I'm sticking to my
Speaker 1: word by pizza for everybody for lunch. After we're done.
Speaker 1: There were records and videos. They're gonna go out and
Speaker 1: watch college basketball and it's gonna be a great day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't really care as much about college basketball, but
Speaker 1: I'm as long as you're happy, I'm happy. But now
Speaker 1: now you're happy. That now that's straight. So tomorrow at
Speaker 1: twelve ten, when Maryland plays L s U O M,
Speaker 1: whill you be ready for because you don't have it. You
Speaker 1: You don't have LS you and your bracket either. I'll
Speaker 1: be ready for you. Greg, Frank you here, Frank you
Speaker 1: can you can? You can clip that out, save and
Speaker 1: play whatever you want. Please do. Let's go terps. When
Speaker 1: I tell you they get the expend sixteen, they are home,
Speaker 1: I guess Michigan State. What else is the spot you
Speaker 1: want to be in? Absolutely, normally I told you that,
Speaker 1: I told you this. Normally I bitch about the bracket.
Speaker 1: I will I bitch and I moan and I complain
Speaker 1: that they got screening the a screwed up draw and listen,
Speaker 1: I'm annoyed that they're in Duke side, of course, but
Speaker 1: playing d C not get screwed. It didn't. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited again, Greg, as long as you're happy. That's not
Speaker 1: true pollocks here, isn't it? I think so? Having guys high,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you hear all that you have any college
Speaker 1: relation or anything regarding brackets that you want to get
Speaker 1: off your chest before we act. My sister went to Michigan,
Speaker 1: so I'm a I'm a huge Michigan fani. Let's do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this year. This is it, we finally
Speaker 1: got it, has more swag than anyone else. Everything's great, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I kind of want Eggy to die, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: Oh no, come on, man, I hate that guy. I
Speaker 1: really really really hate that guy. You know some prestigious college.
Speaker 1: I went to Brandeis University, so we're not really a
Speaker 1: D one school and we actually don't have a football team,
Speaker 1: so pretty easy to refer Michigan. Yeah, that's fair, to
Speaker 1: be honest, Greg, I've never heard of it. Right, it's
Speaker 1: Nelson Figueroa. He went there. I it's ten miles due
Speaker 1: west of Boston. Oh, it's not like it's I don't
Speaker 1: really consider like Harvard or like you of Boston College,
Speaker 1: and brandis is all right, that's fair, that's fair. What's
Speaker 1: going on well a little bit worse because in my
Speaker 1: college is just all right now. I like brand No,
Speaker 1: I like Branda. I'm saying, it's not like I don't.
Speaker 1: They don't like my passing around. I'm having fun, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm great. Frank. I was really good to see you
Speaker 1: at at Towers last week. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It's not great to see me, n I saw you well.
Speaker 1: I talked to Frank a lot. You just you gave
Speaker 1: me the handshake and you went away busy. I think
Speaker 1: they do. And I understand that Peters doesn't. He doesn't
Speaker 1: want to chat. I went over to Fully's and we
Speaker 1: were chatting it up. We got to guarding Chris Archer
Speaker 1: talking about some other pictures as well. So but it
Speaker 1: was a great time here on Friday at spring creening
Speaker 1: is kind of coming to a head here Greg. We
Speaker 1: can so there's a little there's there's more things sorted out.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good time to get
Speaker 1: Nick Cone talk about and do you want to I
Speaker 1: do want a quick on the day before we get
Speaker 1: in a pocket. I honestly desperately needed this to be
Speaker 1: have a draft Sunday. We're gonna do the draft lottery
Speaker 1: coming up an hour to um. But I definitely needed
Speaker 1: to talk to you today, Nick, because Frank came in
Speaker 1: here this morning. He's like, hey, like I gives Nick's
Speaker 1: ideas and what I wanted to talk about? Like you
Speaker 1: have any ideas, Frank? I have not looked at bat
Speaker 1: baseball three days, like college basketball, so focused. So who
Speaker 1: you talking about? Like? Are you kidding me? Right now?
Speaker 1: This is what you think my head is at. So
Speaker 1: thank god you are on this program to help me
Speaker 1: get back. I need it, man, I need it. So um.
Speaker 1: Big story command of yesterday to me is the news
Speaker 1: regarding Corey Kennebell and he has a something with the UCL.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem fully torn, seems partially torn. They don't
Speaker 1: know that it's Tommy John but it's not great up
Speaker 1: and that means Knable's hurt. That means Jeremy Jeffers is hurt.
Speaker 1: And Craig Counsel came out and said, yeah, we can't
Speaker 1: use Josh had the same way that we've been using him,
Speaker 1: which means we maybe look at Josh Hayter as a
Speaker 1: closer unless Gregg Kimberll gets signed by Milwaukee, a lot
Speaker 1: of question marks, Frank, when it comes to Milwaukee will
Speaker 1: then Yeah. I mean it started with Jeffers a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Now Corey Kinnable. I was starting to
Speaker 1: move Knable up my draft board because once Jeffers goes
Speaker 1: down it seemed like there was a clearer path and
Speaker 1: I think a DP kind of reflected that as well,
Speaker 1: with Cannable moving up the draft board a little bit.
Speaker 1: But now with this issue, look, I can't even touch, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, or think about drafting Corey Kinnable. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound good with this UCL issue. They've been talking to
Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl will see what happens there. But as of now,
Speaker 1: like if the season started today and they're in the
Speaker 1: same opportunity, I think it's going to Josh Hayder. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'll kind of throw this back your way,
Speaker 1: Greg and we'll get nixed thoughts in it as well.
Speaker 1: Josh Hayter, what are the closer? And we knew going
Speaker 1: in that he was, I mean he would he would
Speaker 1: be one of the top of three relievers drafted off
Speaker 1: the board at least it might be. I agree, you
Speaker 1: could go ahead and chat. You could lock up that
Speaker 1: Josh Hayter was something beady closer all season long and
Speaker 1: get you your fifty saves or whatnot. He would be
Speaker 1: the top of the lead off the board, top three.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Now, if they signed Kimbroll,
Speaker 1: it's not a disaster because Hayter is gonna be a hater,
Speaker 1: but you probably won't steal many saves as he would
Speaker 1: have with a Connabel with the Jefferies in the back
Speaker 1: end of the bullpen. With Kimberal, Nick, you have to
Speaker 1: believe that Kimberal's the guy hater is gonna have his role,
Speaker 1: which is fine, but it's kind of submithed as a
Speaker 1: middle innings guy. Yeah. No, I agree with all of this.
Speaker 1: I really firmly believe kimber will go to the Brewers.
Speaker 1: It doesn't It makes the most sense in the world.
Speaker 1: Kimberro has often said that he doesn't want to sit out.
Speaker 1: He wants to play this year. He'll take a one
Speaker 1: year deal. If the Brewers want off from that, he'll
Speaker 1: take it. He just wants to get going. It's a
Speaker 1: week away from the season. I I guarantee you they
Speaker 1: were talking last week. They're just finalizing the contra right now. Kimberrell,
Speaker 1: I would say, plus chance, he's he's closing for the Brewers.
Speaker 1: So if you want to take the chance on Hater
Speaker 1: now with the Knebel news, that's fair. I would be
Speaker 1: very surprised if he actually does turn into that night
Speaker 1: in the Guy. Now. There is one thing that is
Speaker 1: very interesting to me that ties into all of this
Speaker 1: is Council came out and said the starting rotation for
Speaker 1: the Brewers, it's not what we expected. Chase Anderson is out,
Speaker 1: we have Corbyn Burns in there, we Brandon Woodriffin there,
Speaker 1: we have peral to all these high upside guys are
Speaker 1: in there. And it's a little surprising given that Jefferson
Speaker 1: kannebl are out. They could use Carpet Purtins in that
Speaker 1: bullpen really badly. So that even to me points a
Speaker 1: little more that they have faith that Craig Kimberle is
Speaker 1: going to be signing with the Brewers and meaning that
Speaker 1: Hater is going to be that fireman guy again. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be just like last year because they don't
Speaker 1: have as many options as well, So they can't just
Speaker 1: instantly just go cool, We'll go Hater and everything else
Speaker 1: will be fine. They have to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more selective. But I still I still expect Hater not
Speaker 1: to be the de fact that closed or in Milwaukee
Speaker 1: and to be more of that fireman for the entire season.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the rotation with Milwaukee a little bit
Speaker 1: here where Corvin Burns in the rotation, Brandon Woodruff in
Speaker 1: the rotation. I've been kind of on random Woodrofe until
Speaker 1: he got kind of she lacked in his last start. Um,
Speaker 1: Brandon Woodrifs the one that interests me the most. What
Speaker 1: do you know about him? And is their fantasy relevance here? Sure,
Speaker 1: he's definitely someone I would take a flyer on in
Speaker 1: a twelve team or why not? I would say, if
Speaker 1: I had to give a comp to Woodruffe, it's not
Speaker 1: a good one. You're not gonna hear good comps from
Speaker 1: me today. Brandon Woodriff compares to Vents of Alaska's for
Speaker 1: me because it's a lot of fastballs and that's how
Speaker 1: he gets the strikeouts. But the secondary stuff is lacking.
Speaker 1: There isn't a big wid pitch there. It's just really
Speaker 1: too and they don't really impress me. How Woodroffe is
Speaker 1: going to succeed is with good fastball command on a
Speaker 1: given day. I don't actually believe that Woodriff has the
Speaker 1: best basketball command, and that makes me inherently a little
Speaker 1: skeptical of a long season uh of success for Woodroff.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a bit of what I
Speaker 1: call it cherry bomb, where they can be super sweet
Speaker 1: or blow up in your face a lot like his
Speaker 1: teammate Freddy Peralta. So actually, out of those rotation guys,
Speaker 1: would your facing the one I'm targeting, I think Corborn
Speaker 1: Burns has the best chance of turning into a starter
Speaker 1: you can trust for the entirety of the year if
Speaker 1: the Brewers actually are sold on him staying in the rotation,
Speaker 1: if they don't go after Kimber, I want to be
Speaker 1: surprised if Burns is the one that falls out to
Speaker 1: be a reliever once Nelson returns. Let me, actually, before
Speaker 1: I kind of bounce off of what you said about
Speaker 1: Corby Burren, you mentioned Jimmy Nelson. I need to kind
Speaker 1: of jump on that. Freaking I got a bit of
Speaker 1: a heated debate yesterday and it was in regards to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Nelson, and it kind of led to Jimmy Nelson
Speaker 1: versus Drew palmeran's conversation and listen, I'd try to Jimmy
Speaker 1: Nelson that rookie year. I was really excited about him
Speaker 1: back in I guess, yeah, obviously he was much better
Speaker 1: in seventeen. Missed all of last year eighteen, not starting
Speaker 1: this season in the rotation. He's building up our strength
Speaker 1: and whatnot in twenty nineteen. I'm trying to temp from
Speaker 1: expectations were Gimmy, yes, you wanted a flyer on him,
Speaker 1: Absolutely no issue. But this is a guy we have
Speaker 1: that seen pitch consistently. Of course, in a year and
Speaker 1: a half, it gets a lot to ask for to
Speaker 1: assume he's just gonna be Jimmy Nelson again. The same
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Nelson. We saw Frank is a little bit
Speaker 1: more optimistic when it comes to Nelson. What say you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I keep going back and forth a bit. I
Speaker 1: think early in the off season and we were all
Speaker 1: really excited about it because he missed the entirety of
Speaker 1: two eighteen and we thought he'd be pitching then alright, fine,
Speaker 1: then take off the entire season. You should be all
Speaker 1: ready to go and back to normal by the time
Speaker 1: spring training hits and the verular season. And that's not
Speaker 1: really what we've seen. Uh. It sounds like he'll need
Speaker 1: till the middle of April, maybe a little bit later
Speaker 1: than that, to return into the rotation. He just pitched yesterday,
Speaker 1: I believe was four innings abound, fifty seven pitches. My
Speaker 1: memory serves me right where he was touching well, he
Speaker 1: was sitting ninety four last year with that sinker. That
Speaker 1: does give me a little bit hesitation. He's obviously still
Speaker 1: ramping up a little bit, so that could get better.
Speaker 1: I'm a little hesitant. I mean, the guy killed it
Speaker 1: with his curveball, had that consistent sinker that was cruising
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, this was a very very bad
Speaker 1: pitch for him in two thousand sixteen, turned it around,
Speaker 1: was a very positive one for in two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to invest in him. The one benefit you
Speaker 1: do get getting Nelson is that he will be on
Speaker 1: the i L entering the year, and there are very
Speaker 1: few good i L spots early in the season. I
Speaker 1: would say Andrew Heaney is a decent one that you
Speaker 1: can just stash in that because he'll be back in
Speaker 1: two three weeks. That's easy saying with Nelson, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go for the guys that are going to
Speaker 1: be out until the middle of July or something like that,
Speaker 1: like Dinelson Lamett. I think that's just a kind of
Speaker 1: a waste because you will have to go through those
Speaker 1: aisle spots during the year. So I like Nelson in
Speaker 1: that respect. I don't expect two seventeen again. At the
Speaker 1: same time, I can see a three seven ear ay
Speaker 1: with a twenty three K rates. Maybe it would obviously
Speaker 1: upside for more, but I think he can help you
Speaker 1: when he is pitching. It's just not the massive impact
Speaker 1: that we thought we'd be getting this late in drafts.
Speaker 1: That also becoming one of those d L guys as well.
Speaker 1: So whatever he can use there that he could be
Speaker 1: at sixt eight weeks. That's what I heard. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't think I made that up, did I.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything yet. I was looking into it
Speaker 1: last night. The last thing that I saw was they
Speaker 1: weren't gonna be able to figure it out until they
Speaker 1: get back from Tokyo. Maybe making Maybe I'm making that up,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see I didn't see an official timetable
Speaker 1: we get from mad Olson. That would be terrible because
Speaker 1: I have him everywhere. It was very excited about him. Uh.
Speaker 1: If I were ranking the brewers starting pitchers here, I
Speaker 1: would just I would go to me, it's Jimmy Nelson,
Speaker 1: would druff. I think it's close between Burns and Freddy Peralta.
Speaker 1: But I do think like once Jimmy Nelson comes back
Speaker 1: into the rotation, someone's probably gonna get booted here, right Nick,
Speaker 1: Because as of right now, they have Zach Davies in there,
Speaker 1: they have Corbin Burns, they have Freddy Peralta. Freddie Peralta, Um,
Speaker 1: you know made some noise last year, remember that starting
Speaker 1: in Colorado where he just kind of wowed everyone. But
Speaker 1: he throws his fastball like seventy eight percent at a time,
Speaker 1: so kind of reads me a little bit there. Who
Speaker 1: do you think it's the boom real quick? If when
Speaker 1: Jimmy Nilson, Jimmy Nelson comes back, if I had to guess,
Speaker 1: it probably would be Peralta. Concerning he is someone that
Speaker 1: is really good or really bad, it could be Zach Davies, though,
Speaker 1: don't forget that he can be pretty meodoca on his own.
Speaker 1: When we come back, Nigga, answer the question of who
Speaker 1: do you want right now, Drew Palmerans or Jimmy Nelson,
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Speaker 1: Fantasy Sports Radio Network, Greg Sausman, Frank stamfle Nick Pollock
Speaker 1: with you here on a Friday last Friday before the
Speaker 1: final weekend, Oh, Fantasy Baseball and drafts. A whole lot
Speaker 1: going on with you right now. So Nick, before we
Speaker 1: continue on to ask the question right this second, who
Speaker 1: would you rather have Jew Palmer Ends or Jimmy Nelson.
Speaker 1: What's your answer, Jimmy Nelson Jr. Palmer Rands, especially for
Speaker 1: a twelve teamer, I feel is he needs to show
Speaker 1: me a lot more secondary pitch. And how about you're
Speaker 1: showing you that he's healthy rather than the one that's well. Now,
Speaker 1: I think he's healthy. I think he's healthy. Last year
Speaker 1: he was averaging about the eighty nine and change on
Speaker 1: his fastbay has already been in spring training. That's essentially
Speaker 1: where he has been for the other years of his career.
Speaker 1: So I think he's healthy again. He he got past
Speaker 1: that dead arm thing, but yeah, it could you know,
Speaker 1: it could show up again. He could hit the d
Speaker 1: L later on as his elbow bothers him again. But honestly,
Speaker 1: for the price that you're playing with Drew palmer Rands,
Speaker 1: that's fine as long as you get some production right
Speaker 1: now from him. Well, Jimmy Nelson has the upside and
Speaker 1: actually being a good starter through the year I think
Speaker 1: we expect more production out of the adit from him.
Speaker 1: Jaw Palmer, you're chasing that three three ear ray or
Speaker 1: so that he used to have. But I always came
Speaker 1: with a ton of regression. It was always a really
Speaker 1: short ips as things. We started about five and five
Speaker 1: point five, which is really low. You want to get
Speaker 1: close to six for that. So I don't really see
Speaker 1: the ceiling for for Palmerce being too high, while Nelson
Speaker 1: obviously has a super high ceiling. Wow, which is who
Speaker 1: would have thought Greg? Exactly what I said yesterday. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is why I brought up I knew, I knew
Speaker 1: he helped me out with Jimmy Nelson versu Drew Palmers.
Speaker 1: But my main point was the upside. It's just I
Speaker 1: know he hasn't pitched since seen but what he did
Speaker 1: that year, I mean in terms of the swings and
Speaker 1: missus that he got, the strikeouts, he improved across the board,
Speaker 1: kept the walks down. That's really the biggest issue for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Nelson in the past, I think has been the walks.
Speaker 1: So he limited the walks two years ago. He got
Speaker 1: groundballs in a fifty percent clip. Everything was great. En Look,
Speaker 1: we'll see what, you know, how close he can come
Speaker 1: to getting back to that form. I think it might
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time, but I'm obciously optimistic
Speaker 1: when it comes to Jimmy Nelson. I think he has
Speaker 1: the tools. He's just you know, he's still gotta get
Speaker 1: stretched out a little bit and extended spring training here.
Speaker 1: I think we see him in the middle of April.
Speaker 1: And if I had to choose who gets booted from
Speaker 1: THEA like, I don't think Zach Davies, so it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if he's gone, But you know, he can
Speaker 1: actually give them more innings or at least that's what
Speaker 1: I would expect than a guy like Freddy Peralta. So yeah,
Speaker 1: probably between those two Freddie Peralta and uh and Zach Davies,
Speaker 1: I think one gets booted. Once Jimmy knows Urban Burns
Speaker 1: was it was a big time prospect for them though,
Speaker 1: Greg and yes, definitely has a cool name like Baron
Speaker 1: Corbyn is a wrestler obviously in w W E very
Speaker 1: similar names here orban Burns back, so I could have
Speaker 1: could have cool name theory here. Last year he regressed
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues. Corbon Burns that is. But in
Speaker 1: years past, I mean right around strikeout, Ranning gets a
Speaker 1: lot of groundballs. The numbers were spectacular in the miners.
Speaker 1: So I do have some interest in Corbin Burns. But again,
Speaker 1: kind of piggybacking off what Nick said, it wouldn't surprise
Speaker 1: me if he bounces between rotation in the bullpen. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's just so many of those those pictures
Speaker 1: this year, Greg, Between you know, Alex Reyes and Huio
Speaker 1: You're ryo Is, I think there's a lot of pictures
Speaker 1: that are going to bounce back and forth between bullpens
Speaker 1: and starting rotation, if not the minor leagues as well
Speaker 1: as a starting rotation as well as some of these guys. Nick,
Speaker 1: do you subscribe to my cool name of theory that
Speaker 1: players in particularly prospects get hype because they have cool names.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Graham. Never heard that before. But I think
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I'm all, I'm all for silly theories like that.
Speaker 1: Um that, you know, maybe it does work because they
Speaker 1: have a baseball name and that's a baseball family. Then.
Speaker 1: But but but the the idea of Cortan Burns having
Speaker 1: a lot of success, Actually I can buy into the
Speaker 1: fiftcent overall swings strike ery as a reliever last year,
Speaker 1: which is great. That's really high. Just to give a
Speaker 1: reference point, that's what you see in sures are in
Speaker 1: sale as starters. It's harder to have a higher one
Speaker 1: obviously as a starter than reliever. But that falls to
Speaker 1: twelve percent. That's still well about average, and that's rooted
Speaker 1: in a slider that is absolutely filthy. I have a
Speaker 1: thing called the money Pitches where you have oh swing
Speaker 1: zone zone rates and plus swing strike right on the pitch. Essentially,
Speaker 1: he's getting strikes off the plates, he's skating strikes on
Speaker 1: the plate, and he's getting guys missing a lot. Corbin
Speaker 1: Burns is way past all of that. I was swing
Speaker 1: zone right twenty five percent swing strike right on that slider.
Speaker 1: They threw about two hundred times last year. That's awesome
Speaker 1: to have that in his back pocket. While I was
Speaker 1: pumping with his his fastball, I really think that this
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that can take that leap
Speaker 1: and be a consistent arm for you. This is what
Speaker 1: we've seen from a lot of guys, and he can
Speaker 1: also go to the innings too. He threw over a
Speaker 1: hundred and I think it was like a hundred ten
Speaker 1: last year, but that includes being a reliever, which is
Speaker 1: more strenuous innings than as a starter. So I think
Speaker 1: he can really get pushed in the hundred fifty innings
Speaker 1: at the starter this year. I'm in. I really think
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go for upside, especially in a twelve teamer,
Speaker 1: you want to go after Carbon Burns, go with the
Speaker 1: guy with the best pitch, the one that has the
Speaker 1: most overwhelming swing strike right, because that's what constitute aces often,
Speaker 1: swing strike rates is what you want to go after.
Speaker 1: Go with Burns, Burns over wood Druff too, Nick, Yes, yes, Woodruff,
Speaker 1: Okay there you sure, sure, sure, sure, all right? Um
Speaker 1: continuing almost some of the big time news, Paul gold
Speaker 1: Schmitt size its extension with the Cardinals is gonna stay
Speaker 1: there for the next five years. One thirty four. I
Speaker 1: think I saw it was the number. Um so gold
Speaker 1: Schmidt and we kind of predicted this would happened. St.
Speaker 1: Louis locks these guys up traditionally, and they were able
Speaker 1: to do that now with a Paul gold Schmidt. So
Speaker 1: good stuff for the Cardinals, and it was important because
Speaker 1: they traded a lot away to get him. Luke Weaver
Speaker 1: comes to mind Carson Kelly as well, former top prospects
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals in order to get Paul gold Schmidt
Speaker 1: uh in St. Louis and ultimately locked up. Now I
Speaker 1: bring up Luke Weaver because he's one of these guys
Speaker 1: that's going late in draft. So that that I'm just wondering, Nick,
Speaker 1: are you enter out on a guy like Luke Weaver.
Speaker 1: Weaver is an intrigue in one. Again, I always have
Speaker 1: the reference point for twelve teamers. I don't think that
Speaker 1: he's someone that you need to go after in your
Speaker 1: draft necessarily. I think there are a lot of intriguing
Speaker 1: guys later on that I think of a higher ceiling
Speaker 1: than Luke Weaver. But here's someone that's looking for quality starts.
Speaker 1: He actually might be a really sneaky ad for that
Speaker 1: concern that the Diamondbacks are gonna let their starters go.
Speaker 1: Same with his buddy Meryl Kelly over there. They're gonna
Speaker 1: go six innings often because that bullpen isn't great. They
Speaker 1: just neither started to go deep. It's not like they
Speaker 1: need to micromanage every single game in Arizona? Are we sure?
Speaker 1: Are we sure of that? Because it's always been talking
Speaker 1: too Archie Bradley. We talked to Brad Ziegler about this
Speaker 1: Archie Bradley being and that Josh Hater role, letting Greg
Speaker 1: Holland or Harno close it out and have Archie Bradley
Speaker 1: and probably somebody else in that bullpen pitch multiple innings, uh,
Speaker 1: potentially earlier in games that they don't want to use
Speaker 1: their starters even a game. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's true. Oh sorry, I thought, I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought I was ready for freak. No, I'm honestly, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think that that that's gonna be the case
Speaker 1: with Luke Weaver. Luke Weaver has the ability to go
Speaker 1: deeper into games without walking a ton of batters. So
Speaker 1: so essentially that means the sixth thing arrives and he's
Speaker 1: not at ninety five pitches or so, he's gonna most
Speaker 1: likely be around. And yeah, that's that's totally fair that
Speaker 1: Archie Bradley could be that fireman roll. I I don't
Speaker 1: anticipate them being this super micro manager of being. I
Speaker 1: mean generally, when you when you have a guy going
Speaker 1: like five point five a lot, that means that they
Speaker 1: have like three leavers that they're going to be going
Speaker 1: to cool. You have Archie Bradley for this one and
Speaker 1: that one, and then you have a guy after that
Speaker 1: and then this and that's how you finish your game.
Speaker 1: I really do see Luke Weaver having an above average
Speaker 1: amount of quality starts in Arizona because of this. He's
Speaker 1: also not one of those guys that I see as
Speaker 1: what I said before as a cherry bomb, which means
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have a ton of blow ups, but
Speaker 1: don't really also see him having a lot of zero
Speaker 1: and one on a run of games. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: having around the two, three, four a lot. Uh. It
Speaker 1: really does come down to that third pitch of cutters
Speaker 1: and change ups, which starting I change ups, curveballs. What
Speaker 1: is going to be the pitch that takes over Because
Speaker 1: the fastball changeup domination is good for Weaver, he really
Speaker 1: needs to get back to that being his foundation, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a third pitch to get strikes when
Speaker 1: one of those two aren't working. From that's really gonna
Speaker 1: be looking forward with Weaver. I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: ton of upside, but I think he's a solid Flora guy.
Speaker 1: To go after in deeper leagues. That's what you said, Frank, right,
Speaker 1: that he just needs to find that third pitch again
Speaker 1: because the first two really good. It's the third one
Speaker 1: that is kind of holding him back. And then you're
Speaker 1: right on that's a good job. Yeah. That's why I
Speaker 1: wasn't really invested in Luke Weaver last year, a guy
Speaker 1: who was being drafted as a top thirty thirty five
Speaker 1: starting pitcher in seen because I looked at well last year, Ineen,
Speaker 1: I looked at his seventeen when he kind of broke out,
Speaker 1: and you know, he used the fastball he used to
Speaker 1: change up a lot and it was red and butter
Speaker 1: for him. But again, needs to work on that curveball.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've read an article from the Athletic
Speaker 1: Graig about how he you know, he purchased one of
Speaker 1: these machines that helps him with his spin rate on
Speaker 1: his curveball. He's you know, consciously trying to develop that pitch.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens here heading into the season.
Speaker 1: But at least he knows that he needs that third
Speaker 1: pitch and he needs to develop it. I also thought
Speaker 1: that the swinging strike rates that he has posted in
Speaker 1: his career didn't really add up to the you know,
Speaker 1: over ten case per nine that he posted, So I
Speaker 1: was I was pretty out on his draft price last year,
Speaker 1: but now you're getting him, you know, as one of
Speaker 1: your last round picks. I I still do think that
Speaker 1: he is a picture that has upside. So we'll see
Speaker 1: how it works out. If I end up with him
Speaker 1: as one of my bench pictures, I'm perfectly fine with that. Okay, Ye,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that as well. Let's continue on here,
Speaker 1: and I want to get to where should I go
Speaker 1: next rank? Is there any specifically you know what? Here's
Speaker 1: what I'll do. We mentioned St. Louis with Paul Goldschman,
Speaker 1: and that brings up one of the other cool theory guys,
Speaker 1: Dakoda Hudson, where who he seems to have earned a
Speaker 1: rotation spot. Dakoda Hudson has a little bit of hype
Speaker 1: surrounding him going into the spring. Then came down to
Speaker 1: the spring earning this job inside the rotation. Should twelve
Speaker 1: team leaguers or mixed leaguers be drafting Dakoda Hudson. I
Speaker 1: don't really see why. I mean, I understand that he
Speaker 1: is a fit the rotation spot guy in a winning
Speaker 1: ball club. Okay, but this this is something I'm shifted
Speaker 1: on over the past four years or so. I don't
Speaker 1: love extreme groundball guys. I think I tweeted out the
Speaker 1: top ten groundball guys with at least a hundred innings
Speaker 1: last year, and at the top of it was Marcus Stroman.
Speaker 1: You saw no one in the top thirty. Inside of that,
Speaker 1: you saw guys like Dylan Covey, you saw Dallas Kikel
Speaker 1: who didn't really have a strong year. You saw other
Speaker 1: names that you just don't want to be associated with.
Speaker 1: And to see a massive sinkle baller at this point
Speaker 1: without a high swinging strike rate in the minors. He
Speaker 1: had a ten point five percent mark last year in
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen in triple A. That's a hundred eleven innings.
Speaker 1: That was his highest since a plus ball. I don't
Speaker 1: really see something that is going to really push the
Speaker 1: needle for you in in twelve teamers, and there's no
Speaker 1: reason to go after a guy that were You're just
Speaker 1: going from maybe a three seven year ray, maybe a
Speaker 1: one twenty whip that's what you're hoping for from Dakota Hudson.
Speaker 1: There are so many other options that you can go
Speaker 1: for those ratios with much higher strike edibility. I mean
Speaker 1: he hasn't eighteen point five percent was that strikeout range
Speaker 1: as an eight team. That's the highest against since a
Speaker 1: plus ball of nine innings in two as in sixteen.
Speaker 1: So this is not a strikeout guy. This is a
Speaker 1: guy trying to get a lot of groundballs babbing and
Speaker 1: go against him. And this can be just batter ratios
Speaker 1: often that don't help you with strikeouts and something the salvage.
Speaker 1: They're not my kind of guy that you should be
Speaker 1: chasing the end of twelve teamers. We were talking about
Speaker 1: pictures and certain guys that that are hurt and coming back,
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Nelson and Drew Palmer as well. One guy
Speaker 1: that always seems to be hurt is rich Hill. He
Speaker 1: was expected to start opening day for Clayton Kershaw uh
Speaker 1: and or for Walker Bueller and the problem is, well
Speaker 1: he hurt too. Rich Hill not going to be starting
Speaker 1: opening day as he has a sore left knee. Sky
Speaker 1: blue Grass is green. I mean, your name is Greg Susan.
Speaker 1: These are all facts. We all knew that at some
Speaker 1: point rich Hill was going to get hurt. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a blister, wasn't an arm, It's a sore left knee.
Speaker 1: Or literally earlier today it was Dave Roberts said. Roberts said, Hey,
Speaker 1: our first two games are gonna started by Rich Hill
Speaker 1: and Jon Jon Rio and and now it won't be
Speaker 1: started by by Rich Hill, just just Hans Jon Rio.
Speaker 1: So any Dodger that you were thinking, oh, will he
Speaker 1: make the rotation? Will he not? I I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do. They're all gonna be in there.
Speaker 1: You'reous stripling, They're all there. Man. Yeah. Look when it
Speaker 1: comes to Rich Hill, I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: get excited about him what he could do on a
Speaker 1: per star basis, on a per ending basis, which makes
Speaker 1: him better for rotistory leagues in my opinion, then for
Speaker 1: points leagues. But you know he's always going to be
Speaker 1: hurt at some point. Really the cap on him. His
Speaker 1: upside is because he's constantly moving in and out of
Speaker 1: the rotation because the injuries, whether their phantom aisle stins, whatever. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is the way the Dodgers are gonna use them.
Speaker 1: I believe it's I believe it's you Nick Pollack who
Speaker 1: coined the term dodgeritis. The rich Hill already dealing with
Speaker 1: dodgeritis here. Um I me coming in, I felt, you know,
Speaker 1: the ceiling is a dty Ennings. Maybe Max, it could
Speaker 1: be really good in those endings, But I don't have
Speaker 1: shares of rich Hill just because I don't ever want
Speaker 1: to deal with this headache. I know how good he
Speaker 1: is and how good he could be on a per
Speaker 1: star basis, but Nick me personally, I don't own any
Speaker 1: shares of rich Hill, and I probably won't over the weekend, Frank,
Speaker 1: because I have said exactly what you just said. I
Speaker 1: think I had him at fifty nine in my initial
Speaker 1: rankings for the year, just because I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to deal with it. You know, you're when you own
Speaker 1: a fantasy league through the year, we don't often take
Speaker 1: into an account what it's like dealing with a player
Speaker 1: having rich Hill, where you just maybe it's a weekly
Speaker 1: league and you have to decide is Rachel going to
Speaker 1: get that start is he not? I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of value to me. There's something to be
Speaker 1: said about it. Cool, I I feel confident in this guy. Cool,
Speaker 1: I don't feel confident in that guy. And Rachel you
Speaker 1: just don't know what you're gonna get in a given weeks.
Speaker 1: You're gonna start this time, is he not? Dave Roberts
Speaker 1: won't say word until the day of. It's in predibly frustrating.
Speaker 1: I just don't want anything to do with it. And
Speaker 1: Richill isn't a player that I'm gonna lose my league
Speaker 1: if I don't get the quote value for him. I don't.
Speaker 1: I can just let someone else do that, And there's
Speaker 1: so many other players that can go for so it's
Speaker 1: an easy decision for me. I don't touch rich Hill.
Speaker 1: It's it's of course he has a sore because he's
Speaker 1: rich Hill, and that's how that's how it is. But
Speaker 1: does rich Hill having that store Nye and we talked
Speaker 1: about Dodgers last time You're on make you a little
Speaker 1: bit more interested in a rush stripling type? Well, I
Speaker 1: I always likes yeah, probably, Like you know point when
Speaker 1: when you ask a question, great, you should probably, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I was like, I don't want you
Speaker 1: guys were locking eyes. It was a nice moment I
Speaker 1: wanted you to have. That's fairly. I think everyone likes
Speaker 1: the Dodger pictures, the ones that you know, look they
Speaker 1: might bounce between the rotation, but you know, as Modifie
Speaker 1: likes to call it, a magical mound out there in
Speaker 1: l A. It seems like, you know, every picture they
Speaker 1: put on that mound turns into gold, kind similar to
Speaker 1: what the Houston Ashroods are able to do. But on
Speaker 1: the first star basis, look hingin ryou Ross, Stripling, Kenton Mada.
Speaker 1: I think they're all gonna be really good, even Julio
Speaker 1: your eyes when they give them a shot. And my
Speaker 1: college they're all going much later than rich Hill. So
Speaker 1: it's like, why would you take Ridge Hill when you
Speaker 1: can take you know, similar talented pictures who are all
Speaker 1: kind of in the same boat and you get them
Speaker 1: later on. So really, when it comes to me and
Speaker 1: Dodgers starting pictures, I'll just take the one that's going
Speaker 1: the latest in draft Greg because I really don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of difference between these guys. Nick, you can
Speaker 1: now talk what do you think about the rotation? It's funny,
Speaker 1: I'm actually doing the the legacy League. That is that
Speaker 1: the I have six leagues of the pitchless staff leagues
Speaker 1: that's all relegation, and so the top league we called
Speaker 1: the Legacy League, and I just drafted Kenta Maida after
Speaker 1: Ross Stripling and after Richill because exactly that, let's just
Speaker 1: I'll just take the last one. I knew it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to take Rachell. But I'm actually a little bit
Speaker 1: out on Ross Stripling because if the Robberts has said
Speaker 1: he is the fifth starter as opposed to the fourth
Speaker 1: and kent to my ADA is higher up than Strippling
Speaker 1: right now. And keep mind, yes, this knee is annoying
Speaker 1: for for Richill, I don't think he's gonna be out
Speaker 1: for a month. It'll probably be out for like two
Speaker 1: weeks or something and get his start and clan Kershaw
Speaker 1: supposed to be back mid April, late April. Ross Stripling
Speaker 1: could be out of a job soon. Um yes, then
Speaker 1: us waves at a fan and he's injured too. But
Speaker 1: you know, that just keeps me on, just keeps me
Speaker 1: on edge for Ross Stripling, and I want to go
Speaker 1: after my ADA. I think in least in the beginning
Speaker 1: with Arius, it's very interesting. I guess you can only
Speaker 1: expect a hundred fifty innings. I think you're saying, Frank,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was you Greg, that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys like your Whitley and your Paddock
Speaker 1: and your it was Losardo in there. But we have
Speaker 1: a lot of these young guys and we don't know
Speaker 1: when they're going to get their opportunities, but we do
Speaker 1: expect a hundred fifty for them. I think Arius is
Speaker 1: very neglected in that in draft, so I think he's
Speaker 1: actually a solid value if you want to deal with it. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just a question of how the towners are going
Speaker 1: to use them early and if you can kind of
Speaker 1: roll with them or not. We have a lot more
Speaker 1: to get to you with Nick Pollock, and not that
Speaker 1: long to do it, in about twenty minutes or show.
Speaker 1: So when we come back, I want to get Frank
Speaker 1: versus Nick for once and I can see know the
Speaker 1: sidelines in this Chris Kay, so that should be fun.
Speaker 1: And then a couple of other late round guys that
Speaker 1: are on my team that I hope Nick likes. So
Speaker 1: we'll find out about that in the next twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: over there, I see it. You are very tangled underneath
Speaker 1: there too, all right, or you could just disconnect yourself
Speaker 1: and do it in the middle of the show. Greg,
Speaker 1: you're doing You're you're doing a great job to the
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Speaker 1: You heard Greg tease it up before the break, So
Speaker 1: I'll just set that up here while he's he's doing
Speaker 1: his thing over there. I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about Chris Archer. I thought we had a pretty cool
Speaker 1: conversation about this at Folies. I've never been a Chris
Speaker 1: Archer guy, so I can pretty much see why you
Speaker 1: don't like drafting him for Fantasy Baseball purposes. But I
Speaker 1: will say this about Chris Archer. In years past, you
Speaker 1: had to use a fourth fifth round price tag for him.
Speaker 1: Now you're getting anywhere from the eighth to tenth round
Speaker 1: range as your SP three. A lot of the times,
Speaker 1: you know normally he end up with him as your
Speaker 1: SP one or your SP two. So I like the
Speaker 1: price tag that we're getting on Archer now. And I
Speaker 1: just think at that point in the draft, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna find many pictures who could potentially give you two
Speaker 1: and thirty strikeouts, And that's the number that I'm looking
Speaker 1: at because before last season. The three years prior, he
Speaker 1: went two endings pitched in each of those three seasons
Speaker 1: from and at least two thirty three strikeouts and each
Speaker 1: one of those seasons, I understood why people liked him.
Speaker 1: But now you get him as your SP three rather
Speaker 1: than in years past when your SP one and SP two,
Speaker 1: So it gets a lot of swinging strike rate, the
Speaker 1: oh swing. The chase rate was a career high last year.
Speaker 1: And I know you were watching yesterday, Nick, I know
Speaker 1: that there was some video, there were some gifts on
Speaker 1: Twitter yesterday revolving Chris Archer and this changeup. So let's
Speaker 1: see what he can do with that, how he builds
Speaker 1: off that. Now I will give your piece as to
Speaker 1: why you you avoid for Chris Archer. Um, you can
Speaker 1: talk about that third pitch a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: He's never really been able to develop it and have success.
Speaker 1: So where is yours name? Well? All right, the biggest
Speaker 1: argument I have against drafting Chris Archer is the fact
Speaker 1: that Robbie Ray is going at the same price, and
Speaker 1: Robbie Ray, if you really want to go after strikeouts,
Speaker 1: he's just clearly the better option. Uh, Chris Archers at
Speaker 1: restraight years of a four plus ear ray. Even in
Speaker 1: his injured season last year, Uh, Robbie Ray still gave
Speaker 1: you a sub four ear ray. And he obviously has
Speaker 1: the ceiling of what he did in twousand seventeen with
Speaker 1: a to eight ninety earra In that season, he had
Speaker 1: two d eighteen strikeouts in both two thousand and sixteen
Speaker 1: two and seventeen. You have to think he's gonna get
Speaker 1: at least a hundred sixty innings this year, which would
Speaker 1: constitute another two hundred plus strikeout. You here, And the
Speaker 1: thing I hate about Archer is, yeah, we saw that
Speaker 1: change up yesterday. That's nice. He actually had a couple
Speaker 1: of games last year when that changeup was good. But
Speaker 1: that's not a pitch that's good. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now he has a change up
Speaker 1: and it's great and he's gonna throw plus at the time.
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. So I if I don't
Speaker 1: buy that, then I don't really see a clear path
Speaker 1: for Archer to be much better than he was last year. Sure,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be a four three one ear
Speaker 1: a guy. He could be a three nine. He could
Speaker 1: be around there. He could be a one one thirty whip.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I don't think he has any room hearing
Speaker 1: like three fifty year ray or so would he strike
Speaker 1: outs and stuff? I just do not see that happening.
Speaker 1: This changeup is it really has to take a massive
Speaker 1: leap to get there, and I just don't go by that.
Speaker 1: Chris Archer all of a sudden has this new pitch
Speaker 1: and he's going to be incredible. Like I want to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts um specifically here on Archer, but there
Speaker 1: are a lot of pictures like this. John Gray comes
Speaker 1: to mind as well, where see the peripherals and there's
Speaker 1: so much better than the E R A. And this
Speaker 1: was my argument for not drafting Archer last year because
Speaker 1: he's in the fourth and fifth round. Is at some
Speaker 1: point when you see three years in a row of
Speaker 1: the E r A over four and the fIF and
Speaker 1: the X fit are you know well below you know
Speaker 1: four his ex fit last year three five nine, the
Speaker 1: year before three three five, It's like, at some point
Speaker 1: is this is the player that Chris Archer is Like,
Speaker 1: he's just a four E R A guy And we
Speaker 1: could throw the peripherals out the window because we now
Speaker 1: have three years of data in a row of Chris
Speaker 1: Archer being this picture with an e r A over four.
Speaker 1: I think he has the talent to be a picture,
Speaker 1: you know, to pitch to a three seven ear a,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't done it since he hasn't had an
Speaker 1: ear A below four. So how do you you know,
Speaker 1: how did you break that down with with guys like
Speaker 1: you know, three years in a row. Now we have
Speaker 1: a large enough sample size, it's more of a trend
Speaker 1: that Archer is gonna give you an EARRA over four.
Speaker 1: So the question is what is dictating that trend? Why
Speaker 1: about what Archer brings the table dictates that he should
Speaker 1: have this separation. It's actually pretty simple. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing with John Gray two is that Chris Chris Archer
Speaker 1: doesn't have elite fastball command. He just doesn't. He's not
Speaker 1: one of those guys that's gonna go up and into
Speaker 1: a guy and then also go down in a way
Speaker 1: and mess around and time of his zom this fastball.
Speaker 1: He just isn't. That's not what he does well. So
Speaker 1: this is why you're gonna see an elevated babbit from
Speaker 1: elevator hit per nine from him. Why he has a
Speaker 1: home umber five ball rate about four for three straight
Speaker 1: years because he has as a fastball that when guys
Speaker 1: are dead locked on it and they're not swinging at
Speaker 1: that slider off the plate, that they're going to be
Speaker 1: able to hit because he just doesn't have the precision
Speaker 1: to put it where he wants and the ability just
Speaker 1: stay on the edges. This is something I think is
Speaker 1: always problem with Archer, and guess what, it's also a
Speaker 1: problem for John Gray, which is really bad when you're
Speaker 1: in Corps and a lot of those flyballs will go
Speaker 1: out more so than any other park. Uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: John Great. The whole John Gray situation is actually like
Speaker 1: exactly as I talked about with Richel, just even worse,
Speaker 1: where I do not want to trust John Gray at all.
Speaker 1: There's no point in the season I will think, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: I can trust John Gray. Now, this is wonderful, everything's
Speaker 1: great now that I will not get to that point.
Speaker 1: I just so I have him, like in seventy five
Speaker 1: or so in mind, because it could be so bad
Speaker 1: for you, tam so detrimental, and even if he does well,
Speaker 1: you still will have hesitation and not get a proper
Speaker 1: value on the trade market for him. Anyway, So you
Speaker 1: have to still inherently take that risk even if he
Speaker 1: does do well out of the gates. But I mean
Speaker 1: with with Chris Archer, he's not going to get better
Speaker 1: with that fast. But I don't really see him taking
Speaker 1: a leap there, and the changeup isn't enough for me
Speaker 1: to save him. I mean, I love strike Gray. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get strikeouts, but at what cost. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: go six and seven innings often. He's more of a
Speaker 1: five and change kind of guy. It's just not for me.
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of guy I want to go for.
Speaker 1: For me. I hated John Guy a lot last year.
Speaker 1: I was on that camp obviously, and then Frank and
Speaker 1: Floria basically talked me into him at one point and
Speaker 1: I picked him up. He was good, he was I
Speaker 1: was I was the one with me screaming at Floria
Speaker 1: saying we don't play in X fIF leagues now. So
Speaker 1: he was kind of good for like a month and
Speaker 1: then like it all went to hell. So now, just
Speaker 1: just getting back to Archer, I just think, look, if
Speaker 1: you're geting him as XP three, I think you have
Speaker 1: enough of a buffer with your aces hopefully that you
Speaker 1: know they'll they'll contribute enough in the r A and
Speaker 1: whip where you can kind of swallow whatever Arch is
Speaker 1: gonna give you. I still think he has the ability
Speaker 1: to be a you know you mentioned at three seven,
Speaker 1: three eight e r A, which doesn't completely kill you.
Speaker 1: But if he can give you those two stricouts that
Speaker 1: he did for the three years prior before last season,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of value in that. Greg.
Speaker 1: So here's two. Here's the Chris Archer, the veloping that
Speaker 1: third pickupping it works out this year. Um, I do
Speaker 1: have a lot of exposure to him, but look, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where I need to
Speaker 1: be burned by him one season first before I before
Speaker 1: I jump off, Because again, I've never owned Chris Archer.
Speaker 1: This is the first time that I'm jumping in, so
Speaker 1: it's also the first time you've convinced me. It's my
Speaker 1: first time jumping on Chris Archer as well, and so
Speaker 1: so if he sucks, you're gonna kill me. Oh yes, Now. Now,
Speaker 1: the one more point I will make is that I
Speaker 1: said Robbie Ray is going at thirty one, Archer's at
Speaker 1: thirty two. Well guess who's at thirty three, it's you, Darvish,
Speaker 1: who also has the same kind of strikeout ability as
Speaker 1: these guys. Yes, I know about Archer's innings and him
Speaker 1: going two hundred a decent amount has a higher chance
Speaker 1: necessarily to have a volume of strikeouts. But man, if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about guy having upside with strikeout potential,
Speaker 1: it's you, Darvish. Even with the blister thing, he's staring
Speaker 1: a bullpen today and he should be fine for the
Speaker 1: most part, maybe like missing one or two starts to
Speaker 1: start the that's about it. I think that he can
Speaker 1: be a much better value as your SP three than
Speaker 1: Chris Archer at the same price. Nick, I know you
Speaker 1: didn't really prepare for this, but I'll just throw throw
Speaker 1: your r I think you don't have a fair answer
Speaker 1: to this for me. In my you know, mid twenties
Speaker 1: to mid thirties ranking, there's a lot of pictures that
Speaker 1: are similar to this that we're talking about that could
Speaker 1: be They could have they have high upside, but they
Speaker 1: could be very volatile. I want to ask you who's
Speaker 1: your favorite in this range? To me in my rankings,
Speaker 1: I have a sto Miles Mikolas Chris Archer to Naka,
Speaker 1: first Shaw, Savorina if you want to throw them in
Speaker 1: the mix. But Robbie Ray, you Darvish just talked about
Speaker 1: a lot of these players. Who's the one guy from
Speaker 1: that group that has a lot of upside, very volatile
Speaker 1: that you're targeting most. So first of all, we're acknowledging
Speaker 1: that zach Whiler is way above this correct. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have Zachler ranked it. I haven't ranked sixteen. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I yes, that's I did too. I think I do
Speaker 1: now because of sevrena following. Yeah, that's that's what's that's
Speaker 1: what's up Wheeler. I pulled him all the way up
Speaker 1: the board in the NFBC main event. Actually nick I
Speaker 1: took him in the early fourth round at like pick
Speaker 1: forty nine. So basically putting my money where my mouth is,
Speaker 1: I got him as my spe toho, I am. I'm
Speaker 1: in on that. Miles Mikolass is my favorite one there.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest question that people have is sure
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good low walk out, which means
Speaker 1: that whip will be good. But what about those strikeouts?
Speaker 1: I actually think hisself speaks to having more strikeouts this season.
Speaker 1: It's a filthy slider. He's throwing ninety five as well,
Speaker 1: and he is a guy that actually has good command
Speaker 1: oftentimes at bats end A bit too early with him
Speaker 1: because he is a little too zone friendly with that
Speaker 1: slider and a curveball as well. I think he just
Speaker 1: makes a small tweak there. I think he's going to
Speaker 1: recognize it. My my biggest guest is that actually has
Speaker 1: a slight struggle at some point and then he has
Speaker 1: a shift away from it because it's like, all right, fine,
Speaker 1: this isn't working anymore. I need to do something different,
Speaker 1: and then that's actually going to be very successful. I
Speaker 1: think he can be a three three year a guy
Speaker 1: with a one fifteen whip and a twenty three k rader.
Speaker 1: So I love that. I think Mikolass is going to
Speaker 1: please a lot of owners at the price he's going for.
Speaker 1: You know what, it reminds me a lot of Nick
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you've ever kind of seen
Speaker 1: this comp with him. I've always been a Michael Fulmer guy.
Speaker 1: I know everything that's going on with him, he's dealing
Speaker 1: with it. Looks like he's gonna have Tommy John. But
Speaker 1: looking at Michael Fumer's numbers, I always thought that they
Speaker 1: could be better than what they were because he and
Speaker 1: he has a slider, right, so I always thought the
Speaker 1: numbers could be better than they were. I kind of
Speaker 1: see some comparisons here with michel Las two because you
Speaker 1: know seventeen former has pretty good command and Michelas has
Speaker 1: even better command. Fumer and gets gets a lot of
Speaker 1: groundballs as well, so you kind of see I always
Speaker 1: thought that Michael Fumer should be better than the numbers
Speaker 1: that he gave us. It's a joke here at Picture List.
Speaker 1: I mean I even when the when the news came
Speaker 1: out that he's probably gonna get Tommy John, he said, up,
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I have to lower Michael Falmer
Speaker 1: to the seventies now because it's such a joke that, like,
Speaker 1: I love Mike Michael Phmer more than anyone, and I
Speaker 1: really do feel that a healthy Fomer does dictate a
Speaker 1: top thirty, top forty starter, especially when still that change
Speaker 1: up again. Uh. The one thing I will say about
Speaker 1: Michael List above Falmer is he does have more offerings
Speaker 1: that he trusts. Falmer has always danced around being a
Speaker 1: hard fat us ball and slider and the changeup was
Speaker 1: go in and out a bit Michael list with three
Speaker 1: pitches that curb off for strikes, slider doing everything, fastball
Speaker 1: around the zone. Those three themselves do more and provide
Speaker 1: more depth for a variety for make Loss go deeper
Speaker 1: into games. And then he also does have a split
Speaker 1: change that isn't bad either and can induce whifts on
Speaker 1: its own. It's just not as consistent because it's a
Speaker 1: split change, and splitters overall are the most inconsistent pitch
Speaker 1: of any type in the majors. So I understand why
Speaker 1: he put down the back burner. That's a really good
Speaker 1: decision by him. But yeah, I do see that comparison.
Speaker 1: I really do think that Mike Loss, like I've been
Speaker 1: saying about Falmer, could take that strikeout jump as well.
Speaker 1: That's your position. I gotta get some. I gotta get
Speaker 1: some Miko Lost shared basically based on that analysis from
Speaker 1: just for the I don't have any shares of mikol Loss.
Speaker 1: Just for the record, I should Chris Archer over Miles
Speaker 1: mik Loss because of you. Let me be very clear,
Speaker 1: you should ask me for my rankings. Great, because I
Speaker 1: have Miko Loss ranked higher than Chris Archer. Well, if
Speaker 1: you would have just asked me. I would have told
Speaker 1: you take why I bought it on Chris Archer because
Speaker 1: you told me I like Archer, Yes, but I have
Speaker 1: Miko Loss ranked higher. So if you would have just
Speaker 1: asked me what told you? I don't want to ask.
Speaker 1: You were busy ignoring me in our other draft. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you. Can't you take Archer over someone else?
Speaker 1: I like too? I think you took him over Baber right, No,
Speaker 1: yes I did, and her mom mar oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean again Marquez below. I don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of pictures in that range. How
Speaker 1: do you How do you feel about beaver Nick? Because
Speaker 1: I haven't really asked you about him, and I mean,
Speaker 1: the helium is reaching new heights when it comes to Biber.
Speaker 1: I saw Settler tweeting out that you know he might
Speaker 1: crack the top one picks in NFBC Main Event drafts
Speaker 1: this weekend over in Vegas. So where are you at
Speaker 1: on Biber? Well? I blame you no Saris for that,
Speaker 1: because I think he put him at twenty four and
Speaker 1: his athletic ranking you have a twenty one. I might
Speaker 1: be crazy, all right, All right, this is this is
Speaker 1: how I feel about Beaver. He has one really good
Speaker 1: pitch that's a slider. He's changed up. I think overperformed
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it could be a very good
Speaker 1: number two. I know we love the Caper walk stuff.
Speaker 1: I hate the fact that he his fastball command is
Speaker 1: is okay and he gives in so much. Um. I
Speaker 1: always mess up the stat but essentially half of Bieber's
Speaker 1: games where he had two walks or more last year
Speaker 1: were zero and runs. That's rate when he walked at
Speaker 1: least two batters. When he walked under two batters, he
Speaker 1: only had one out of thirteen starts with zero and runs.
Speaker 1: I think Bieber needs to nibble more. I think he
Speaker 1: needs to be a little more, a little less predictable
Speaker 1: with that heater, because I mean, that's why you have
Speaker 1: that massive babbit, because he would just throw these meatballs
Speaker 1: in the zone and it's not a hard fastball. It's
Speaker 1: all like it's like mid up or nineties. Here we're
Speaker 1: talking like ninety two. And in typical Indians fashion, that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a great fastball. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that his secondary stuff is like Michael Clevinger's. It's not
Speaker 1: like Bowers or Carrascoes or Clubber's. He really has one
Speaker 1: of his slider and that's great. The changeup. I think
Speaker 1: it needs him to do a lot of work if
Speaker 1: it's going to be the same fastball and hopefully walks
Speaker 1: for batters. If he's walking more batters. I know that's
Speaker 1: crazy to say, but if he walks more, this could
Speaker 1: turn out well. There's just a lot of work for
Speaker 1: me for him to do, and that, for me is
Speaker 1: making me not interested. I do have him over guys
Speaker 1: like Tyler Glass now. There was a fun debate with
Speaker 1: me and Sport earlier on the preseason about that. I've
Speaker 1: now way out on Tyler Glass now, but I have
Speaker 1: him around like the late thirties or so. That's how
Speaker 1: I feel. I think there is opportunity, but it's expecting
Speaker 1: a lot of growth for Beaver to get there. All right, Nick,
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed your time here on the show
Speaker 1: because you will never be definitely now, I'm just kidding. Look,
Speaker 1: I think it's all fair points. I agree. I think
Speaker 1: he can't live in the zone as much. That's why
Speaker 1: you see the hard hit rate as high as it
Speaker 1: was last year. The bad bit very high obviously, but
Speaker 1: he gets a decent amount of swings and misses, so
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he builds off that. And I really just
Speaker 1: buy into the organization with the with the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1: I know that they don't have Biggie Callaway anymore, but
Speaker 1: I mean, this is an organization that is known for
Speaker 1: breeding starting pictures from you know, Clueber to Carrasco obviously Bower,
Speaker 1: what happened last year? Levinger, what happened last year? I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm just buying into that narrative maybe
Speaker 1: too much here, but I just trust that the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Indians know how to develop these guys, and I really
Speaker 1: do think that he's going to take that next step.
Speaker 1: So that's that's why I'm as high as a mr
Speaker 1: is probably the worst of that lot, by the way,
Speaker 1: as far as it's raw talent, to be fair, I
Speaker 1: have two minutes now officially have a lot more pictures
Speaker 1: beside Shane Bieber, and there's Archer on this list. There
Speaker 1: we go, let's do it, Let's do it. Rapid fire,
Speaker 1: rapid fire. Here we go. Aaron Sanchez interrut I'm slightly
Speaker 1: intoelve Teamer. Don't take the risk now see how he
Speaker 1: shows up too many groundballs and not enough swing strikes.
Speaker 1: Damn it. Zack Efflin in or out. I'm intrigued. He
Speaker 1: needs to develop a third pitch more, but the fastball
Speaker 1: slider itself should make him at the very least worthy
Speaker 1: for good mouse streams early on, not the worst late round.
Speaker 1: Pick Michael Paneda in or out, same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I don't really see a ceiling of being super high,
Speaker 1: but late on to pick fine, he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: cherry bomb. He's gonna be really great some games and
Speaker 1: then just completely kill you. Others favorite Morland starting picture. Ah, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's probably Pablo Lopez. I think he has the
Speaker 1: highest ceiling of the group. It really just depends on
Speaker 1: who gets the rotation spots. Trevor Richards is Jeremy Hellickson,
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit a little bit worried there.
Speaker 1: It's an elite change up with a bad fastball, and
Speaker 1: Caleb Smith actually has a lot of raw talent in there.
Speaker 1: I think both Pabol Lopez and Caleb Smith are both
Speaker 1: really good ads if they both have rotation spots. Matt Strong,
Speaker 1: I love him. He's my He's been my guy since
Speaker 1: like two thus seventeen. I'm getting him everywhere you have
Speaker 1: to get out from him. Has been on this for like,
Speaker 1: look up this guy on the Royals, Matt, I want
Speaker 1: to get breakdown about him. Right on the Royals, I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, this is what if he starts?
Speaker 1: Because Jason Hamill kicked him out the last minute to
Speaker 1: be in the rotation. It sucked. Final question, Matt Shoemaker
Speaker 1: inter out, I'm out. I think he's too inconsistent. It's
Speaker 1: a flit change and he's just worse than he used
Speaker 1: to be when he had those excellent runs in Toronto.
Speaker 1: Is not a good place to pitch, Nick Paula, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Man has been blast. It's
Speaker 1: been great to hear you think be here. Thanks so
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