1 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe. 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: Getty, Armstrong and Getty and Pee Armstrong and Getutty. 4 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: I'm already broken all of my resolutions. I got drunk today. 5 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: I didn't go to the gym. I eight donuts, so 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: I'm off to Badstone. 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 4: My resolution is to have a higher resolution TV. It 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 4: occurred to me when I said the words, so I'm 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 4: all off to the store. Meanwhile, you enjoy some great 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 4: Armstrong Engetty replay. I understand you're going to interview me 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 4: on the topic of my milestone birthday, just so I 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 4: can get prepared. 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: Do you have a style in mind? 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 4: Are you going to be like Scott Pelley, slow talking 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 4: and making me repeat everything? You're gonna make me cry 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: like Ellen DeGeneres. Do you have more of Charlie's approach 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: in mind? 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Katie? 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: Joe and I were working together. Joe and I have 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: basically the same birthday. My birthdays in ten days, and 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: I'm turning the same age, so we are in the 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 3: same reflective age situation of turning sixty. His birthday is today. 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: Joe and I were working together when we turned thirty, 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: when we turned forty, when we turned fifty, and now 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: when we turn sixty, that doesn't seem possible. 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 4: That's amazing, but it really doesn't seem possible. No, that's 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: particularly given the hatred of each other that we share. Well, 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 4: just from a time standpoint, the one thing you can't 29 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: you can't. 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: This is gonna be one of the things I want 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: to ask you about. Okay, well, I'll just ask you 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: instead of giving an answer first. That would be a 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: dumb way to interview. 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: Innovative. Got a couple of questions. 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: Okay, what does sixty feel like compared to what you 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: thought it would feel like when you were thirty, emotionally, physically, whatever. 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 4: Well, that that question assumes that I remember what I 38 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: thought when I was thirty or any point when you're no, 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 4: I see your point. Yeah, I think fairly similar. H. 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 4: I was never never particularly afraid of aging. I've never 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: been particularly and particularly enthusiastic about the idea either. 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 3: It would be enthusiastic about aging past like twenty one, 43 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: who would be enthusiastic about aging? 44 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, I think one of the formative 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 4: aspects of my life is that I've always been a 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 4: golf freak. And even when I was thirty five, I 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 4: played golf with guys who are seventy who were having 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: fun and good players, and we'd have a couple of 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: drinks afterward and a hoot, and so I saw. I 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: don't know if you'd call them role models exactly, but 51 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: I didn't fear that. 52 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: You have a thought, Katie, before I jump in, Oh no, 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: go ahead, I'm listening. I'm the exact opposite. 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: I've always assumed, like when I was in my twenties, 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: I assumed there's no way anybody over the age of 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: thirty was having fun, and uh, and I felt that 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: way by while life. I thought, there's no way you're 58 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: having fun in your forties. Fifty year olds aren't having fun. Certainly, 59 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: nobody's gonna have fun in their sixties. And if they're 60 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: like smiling and laughing, like you say, you see people 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: they just don't remember what fun was. This is as 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: good as it gets for them, but they're not actually 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: having fun. If there's one thing I could tell younger me, well, 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: maybe that's the question I want to ask. If you 65 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: could tell thirty year old you, forty year old you, whatever, 66 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: twenty five year old something. 67 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: What would it be? Now? 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: Okay, you know me, I quibble about every question you do? 69 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: Is this like include? 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: Do you tell yourself? Don't quibble so much. It's a 71 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: waste of time. 72 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: It could be so quibblesome people don't like it. 73 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: I'm wisdom, or. 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 4: I'll just stick with wisdom for now, because I will 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 4: the reason I asked that question, and I can picture 76 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: it so vividly. It's causing giant emotional changes in my 77 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: brain right now. 78 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: It was around in Gladys doon'et Pother. 79 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, two thousand and one, 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: when the talk show had just started because we realized 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: we had no future in music radio. 82 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: We were doing a talk show between the records and 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: it was stupid, but. 84 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: We'd started at our now home station in Sacramento, Toxis 85 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: fifty KST and of the forty five rated radio stations 86 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 4: in Sacramento, it was forty fifth when we took over 87 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: the morning show, and it was taking longer than we 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: had hoped to really grow it, just because the mathematics 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: of it. 90 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: Lord knows, we had no marketing at that time. 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: I don't have you ever on a station or a 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: show Katie with no listeners, but I have. You can 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: say to your listeners, tell your friends to tune in, 94 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: but they got no friends, they aren't listening. 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: There's nobody to tell anybody. I feel that. So yeah, 96 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: oh yeah. 97 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: And we had taken a fifty percent cut and pay 98 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: to get started in the talk radio. And I had 99 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: three little kids, including a baby, and I was so 100 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 4: stressed and so concerned that I was not going to 101 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: be successful in the one field I had chosen. And 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: you know this is not some sort of dumb, humble brag, 103 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: but I was one of those kids who people would say, 104 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: he has so much potential, Oh, you could do this, 105 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: or you could do that. And here I was going 106 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: to be a dead ender who couldn't support his family. 107 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 4: Miserable amounts of stress. 108 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: Oh. I dealt with it the best I could. 109 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: So, I mean, if I could just whisper in my 110 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: young ear, it's gonna work out, okay that Oh my god, Yeah, 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 4: I'm gonna blove her. That would have been enormously helpful. 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 4: But wisdom wise, stay out. 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: Of the sun. 114 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, yeah, yeah, hey the sunscreen thing. 115 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: Take that seriously, dip. 116 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: Show videos of uh, I'd show videos to myself. Look 117 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: at this, and young me would say, what is that 118 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: device you're holding? I'd say, it's a cell phone. Don't 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: worry about it anyway. Watch this video of a dermatologist 120 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: cutting a chunk out of you. Oh god, I'd say, 121 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: what's your point? Why are you doing this? I'd say, 122 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 4: be careful with the sun. 123 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: Anyway. 124 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: It would probably be you know, it probably be parenting advice. 125 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 4: You know you never get You'll never regret being patient. 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: If you got to bring the hammer down, you can 127 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: bring it down in an hour. Take a while, calm 128 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: down and think about what's the smart thing to do. 129 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: Probably because I was a very young parent by modern standards. 130 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: If you're an older parent like me, your tea is 131 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: so low you can't really get worked up about anything. 132 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: Right, don't let me take off my suppler hose and 133 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: hitch you with him son. 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: And you know, I know if they decided to run off, 135 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: I couldn't catch them. So yeah, you come back here 136 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 2: if you'd like. Eh. 137 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: The old the whole perspective on time thing, the way 138 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: it changes when you get older, it's just impossible. There's 139 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: no point in trying to explain it to somebody. Who's younger. 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: Nobody could have I'm sure somebody tried to explain it 141 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: to me. I was like, whatever, old man. 142 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: Well, and you can believe it, but you can't relate 143 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: to it. The idea that no five years goes by 144 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: in the blink of an eye. 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: You have to live that. Yeah, yeah, all right. 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: I know my kids in this They've got a particular 147 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: reason to feel like this because I was an older parent, 148 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: so when I was a kid was a really long time. 149 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: You know, if you have kids in your twenties like you, 150 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: you're only talking about it twenty year gap in now 151 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: and when you were a kid. For me, it's you know, 152 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: nearly a forty year gap or whatever it is. Yes, 153 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: so they can they really have good ammunition for what 154 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: you know about what high school is like. Is completely 155 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: irrelevant to me, But it's not. I look around their 156 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: high school, I see the stuff. It's the same thing, really, 157 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: just you know, the clothes are actually exactly the same. 158 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: They're wearing the same clothes, same hairstyles as when I 159 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: was in high school. 160 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: But so much of it is the same. 161 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: But you can't convince young people that you have like 162 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: really any understanding of their what they're. 163 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 4: Going through and between most of my child raising in 164 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: yours was the giant you know. It's like the ADBC 165 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: dividing line of smartphones. Yeah, and how that's changed everything. 166 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: But the you know, but the wanting to have a 167 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: girlfriend and being nervous about asking them, just all that 168 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: sort of stuff is just Yeah, it doesn't seem any different. 169 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: I get. 170 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: But I just remember hearing years ago we did a 171 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: big show and we turned forty, which is freaking twenty 172 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 3: years ago. 173 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: I can't believe that. 174 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: But anyway, we did a big show when we turned forty, 175 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 3: and I remember hearing somebody say something about I think 176 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: he was ancient wisdom. 177 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 5: But just. 178 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: People. 179 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: You can tell people you know how this is going 180 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 3: to turn out, or what your experience is shown, They're 181 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: still going to do it their way and find out 182 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: for themselves. It's just it just seems and that seems 183 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: to be way more true than not true. There's some exceptions, 184 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: but it's way more true than not true. 185 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's very little of the. 186 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 4: Wisdom and conventional wisdom about conventional thinking about aging and 187 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: what you're going to go through that has not been true. 188 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: But you do have to confront it on your own 189 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: and deal with it on your own and and it's 190 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 4: it's it's fine. You know. 191 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 6: It's just to backtrack for one second, Joe, by standards, 192 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 6: did you have older, younger parents. 193 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: At the time, very typical. 194 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: My mom was twenty four, so twenty three or twenty 195 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 4: four when she had my sister than me a year later, 196 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: and then in her early thirties when she had her 197 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: last kid, my little brother. 198 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: Now it was practically everybody back in the day so 199 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: young ish. 200 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 6: Because I was thinking about your outlook on life and 201 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 6: not really being worried about aging, and I was thinking, 202 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 6: my parents are older her standards about same with Jack 203 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 6: and his kids, almost forty years. 204 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: And I think that kind of made it so I do. 205 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 6: I'm not really worried about aging because I'm seeing them 206 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: in their older years and they're having a blast and 207 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 6: everything's good. 208 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: You know. 209 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 6: Maybe I was wondering if that contributed. But you had 210 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 6: young parents, would have to would be like similar to 211 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 6: your story about being around golfers. But if you're around 212 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 6: your parents and you see them in their sixties or 213 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 6: seventies and doing stuff, right, I have to think I 214 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 6: would think yeah. 215 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: And oh go, I was just going to say in 216 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: a weird way when I was having those excruciating back problems, 217 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: and I'd say this with great sympathy to people have 218 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 4: ongoing back problems. Mine are much much better through common 219 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: of never ending physical therapy and workouts and stretching that 220 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: sort of thing. I was so miserable the last six 221 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 4: months of being like fifty eight in the first six 222 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 4: months of being fifty nine, and I feel so much 223 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 4: better now. I feel like I've deaged five years. So 224 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 4: the idea that the calendar says otherwise, I just it's internally. 225 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 4: I know that's correct, but I feel really good. But 226 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: you're doing my recent standards. 227 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: But you're doing that thing where they drain the blood 228 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: out of young homeless people and they put it in 229 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: youre right. 230 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: Not all homeless. Some of them have volunteers, but most 231 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: of them are homeless because they need the money. Draining 232 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: the blood of the young and injecting it into my 233 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 2: greedy veins. 234 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that's working for you. 235 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: If I could get that going, man, I would you 236 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: have a question, Michael. 237 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: No, I wasn't about this though. 238 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: I was just thinking about the training the blood of 239 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: the homelessness that. 240 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: I was just thinking about what Joe said. 241 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 7: You know, you guys started in two thousand and that's 242 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 7: when I started, and I was gonna tell Katie that 243 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 7: the show show you how low they thought of the 244 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 7: radio station. They used to tell me that, wouldn't you 245 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 7: like to come work on some other show or whatever? 246 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 7: And I refused to do it because I believed in 247 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 7: this show. I really did, and it drove them nuts. 248 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 7: They hated me, bless you for that. Yeah, not us them. 249 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, the bosses were like, you know, you're pretty good talented, 250 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: which Michael is obviously. You know you should come work 251 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: over here in a real radio station. Michael's call on 252 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: not it was a great call. 253 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. Just before we started nineteen ninety eight, they had 254 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 4: a serious meeting about just shutting it down and taking 255 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: it off the air to save the electricity and so 256 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 4: they wouldn't have to bother employing nice people or were 257 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,479 Speaker 4: trying hard but weren't getting anywhere. 258 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: It's like, this is not worth the trouble. Why don't 259 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: we just shut that radio station off? 260 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: And it took several years, but what was it, four 261 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 4: or five years later we were number one in the 262 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 4: market and have been a good bit of the time 263 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: ever since. 264 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: That is awesome. Wouldn't want to do it again, sweetheart. 265 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 2: It's the arm Strong and Getty Show. Armstrong and Jetty, 266 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: arm Strong. 267 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 8: Hey, the arm Strong and Getty Show. 268 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: I'm a regular at the gym now for like the 269 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: last six months since I moved because I got a 270 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 3: gym membership with this place I live, and I hadn't 271 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: been a regular in a gym for not a regular 272 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: for like thirty years, so it's been a long time, 273 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: pre cell phone era. Now they got signs everywhere, you know, 274 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: don't sit there staring at your phone on the equipment 275 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah, because I see that happened 276 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: all the time. People do a set, then they start 277 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: scrolling and they don't realize ten minutes has gone by 278 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: before they get back to their second set. Yeah, you're 279 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: not working out hard enough. If got time to do that, 280 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: you're not serious the hell out the way. I actually 281 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: texted a buddy of mine who's like super hardcore into 282 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: working out all the time. My main complaint, I'm gonna 283 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: get to in a second, but he hates stacks too 284 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: much weight on there and can't actually lift it. Guy, 285 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: I don't know why that bothers him. 286 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: That is kind of funny. 287 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: There is a super ripped guy at the gimis noticing 288 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: the other day, and he does about the lightest weights 289 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: of anybody in there, but his form is perfect, and 290 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: I thought all these other muscleheads should look at him. 291 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: They're trying because they got to show how much they're doing, 292 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: but they're like swinging their body around, which is not, 293 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: you know, isolating the muscle you're trying to wear. But 294 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: this guy who uses a lightweight, he is so perfect 295 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: with this technique and he's really ripped. So I think 296 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: that's the key. But younger guys like to show how 297 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: much they can lift. But here's here's my least favorite 298 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: guy that I wanted to bring up this topic for 299 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: the slams, the weights down guy to show how free 300 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: making intense you are. 301 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: I guess all the time. Oh no, that that lifetime ban. 302 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: I know. 303 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: In this gym I go to, it's a private gym 304 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: and they've got signs up that say do not slam 305 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: the weights. They didn't have those signs until like a 306 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: week ago, and he's new. I think those signs are 307 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: aimed purely at him. It has not worked at all, 308 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: because I've seen I saw him in the gym again 309 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: last night, and I don't think anybody's got the guts 310 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: to go up to him and say, hey, could you 311 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: not slam those weights down? Because he looks like he 312 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: would attack you and punch you in the face if 313 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: you said anything to him. 314 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: He's just so intense. 315 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: Sure, and he stomps around and he lifts Hey did 316 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: he drops him on the floor, bang, bang klang, and 317 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: everybody jerks like you know, because you get startled when 318 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: you hear a loud noise like that. Oh, it's just 319 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: so uncomfortable being around him. But amen, tense, you started 320 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: tens armed tents. 321 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, you get kicked out of You'll get kicked out 322 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 6: of Planet Fitness for that. 323 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 3: Really, good for you. You're so freaking intense, you weirdo. Quit 324 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: slamming the weights around. Geez, we get it. You care 325 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: about being tough guy or something. You lift a lot 326 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: that needs yeah, needs exactly, yippie, But he just says 327 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: it every time, and it's it's more just like I 328 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: don't like big loud noises. 329 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: Right, yes, sudden loud noises, Yeah, they're kind of annoying. 330 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's always that guy that makes extra loud noises 331 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 7: just so everybody. 332 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: Looks over at him. Yeah, it's a combination of his 333 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: grunting and he's dropping boom. All right, all right, all right, 334 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: we get it. 335 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: Can you go to some heme man women haters club 336 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: gym where you all strut around about how cool and 337 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: testosterone laden you are and I don't know what you do, 338 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: count your chest hairs or do something but a different Jim. 339 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: Oh he's totally shaved. But anyway, oh yeah he is. 340 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: Actually call it a holes. Yeah, just you know, and 341 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: have the the O of the hole be a plate 342 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: on a bar bell A holes. The big guy lifting 343 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 4: it'll and form the own. 344 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 345 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: Jim called a holes and you like encourage that sort 346 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 3: of thing. And everybody wears the tank top with the 347 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: big loop so you see their entire body. 348 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: They all have. That's the uniform that comes at the AHL. 349 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: Gym, right, and they're all gonna hit on the first 350 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 4: woman who walks in. Exactly one never will because you 351 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 4: know it's right there on the sign. 352 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: Yes, lots of mirrors, lots of posing in the mirrors. 353 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: And if somebody doesn't drop the weights, the other guys 354 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 4: have come over here. 355 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: What the hell's matter with you? Man? You gotta drop 356 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: those wags. You don't seem tense or you're not a tent. 357 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: It's Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show, 358 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show. 359 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 4: Queer Canine Becomings, lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies 360 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: in Ecologies of Love and Violence. 361 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: Oh, they have to be trolling that. I know that. 362 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: It's by Chloe Diamond Leanou, who is an actual professor 363 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 4: at Eastern at the American University which is in New 364 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: York or somewhere. 365 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those 366 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 3: fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out, Yes, 367 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: which makes his point that things are so off the 368 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: rails that you can't tell the difference between something that's real. 369 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: And what's not. 370 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. God you can do is 371 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 4: what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, except 372 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: yours is completely fake but nobody can tell, which makes 373 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: the point. 374 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: But you know, I feel like I ought to read 375 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: the abstract, but it's so long. 376 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: I'll hit you with it because Jack said, I you 377 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 4: know it'd be interesting to get that whole paper and 378 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 4: see how much sense it made on any level. 379 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: And you're right. But so here's the abstract. 380 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: This article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis attuned to lesbian, 381 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: queer trans canine relationalities. 382 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: That really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs? Is 383 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: it not bestiality? 384 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 4: I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plow 385 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 4: through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer 386 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: trans canine relation analoties. 387 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: I just want to let you know this. Chicks pronouns 388 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: are she? They? The scene? I like that. 389 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 4: I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage. 390 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 4: Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're 391 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 4: thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they. 392 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 4: If you call me her, I will be insulted. I'm 393 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: looking at her Facebook. 394 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 6: Her profile picture is a purple fist with a banner 395 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 6: that says professor of lesbian dance theory. 396 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory. 397 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets 398 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: paid professor dance theory. Yeah. 399 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: To indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay, 400 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 4: so I just that was like that was the first sentence. Specifically, 401 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with 402 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: Donna Harroway's work on the cyborg and companion species to 403 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 4: theorize the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and 404 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: machines amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties. 405 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 4: It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First, 406 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 4: the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized 407 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 4: and imperial violence. Oh you got a little race in 408 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you 409 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to 410 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 4: work race in. But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's 411 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 4: see in the second I'm sorry, in the first article, 412 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 4: did I say that already? The article traces how dogs 413 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 4: are webonized as tools of state violence and proposes a 414 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: queer lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that 415 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 4: can also extend to a critique of the violet's committed 416 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 4: through and toward the dogs in the second whoof the 417 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 4: article analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies. 418 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: We got to stop there, don't we let. 419 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: That they're having sights with dogs get to the fun part. 420 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: Really just started discussing that. 421 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 4: Transdog intimacies does does that mean like transgender dogs? That's 422 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: like a former boy dog who's now a legend bitch. 423 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: I prefer to use the technical term. 424 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 3: I was taking it as the interactions between trans people 425 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: and dogs. 426 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh see, I was with Joe. I sounded like a 427 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: trans dog to me. 428 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non 429 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 4: berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think 430 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: you're right, Jack, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and 431 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 4: as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings. 432 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 4: The entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog 433 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: relationalities provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists, 434 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg 435 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: politics can help theorize the potentials and challenges of these 436 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 4: interspecies and tangled. 437 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: So I'm going to take at least a shot at 438 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: what I think this is I appreciate the cyborgs in 439 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: the end because I was I was wondering where where 440 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: did they come from? I will be back you remember 441 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: that that was great. I think they believe. 442 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: That that because of our systemic racism and culture, dogs 443 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: are raised in such a way to not be friendly 444 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: to the trans lesbian community, and they have some concern 445 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 3: that the robot dogs that are coming our way are 446 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: going to be the same. And then when you end 447 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 3: up with robot people like cyborgs, now you're going to 448 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: have the robot dogs who are home transphobic, poorly treating 449 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 3: the robot humans. That's my guess that what this paper 450 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: is about. 451 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: The hell. 452 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 4: I think you may number one. I am impressed. 453 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I admire you even being able to 454 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 6: somewhat analyze that. 455 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 4: I think you may be one notch off. And I'll 456 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: repeat the lessons lesbian in queer feminist cyborg politics can 457 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 4: help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no, 458 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans 459 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 4: person with a dog, robot or otherwise. 460 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: Can dogs are being raised to. 461 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: Be transmitted ache and they're concerned that when we have 462 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: robot dogs and robot people. It will continue. Then we'll 463 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 3: have transphobic robot dogs. How are you trans if you're 464 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: a robot though a person? What difference does it make 465 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: once you're a robot? 466 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: What are we talking about? 467 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm with, Kitty. I'm reminded of 468 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 4: You know, you get somebody who's is like a complete 469 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 4: psychopath and does all these weird things, and will say, 470 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 4: what were they thinking? No, No, you can't come up 471 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 4: with a rational explanation for the irrational. 472 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: You're wasting your time. You got to figure out, Michael. 473 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 7: No, I was just thinking, this is why I took 474 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 7: aerobics in college. 475 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, bowling, All right, I'm just going to pick a 476 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 4: sentence or two at random. At the same time, it 477 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: offers a model for a postgender world that can be 478 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 4: ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins in the appropriation of 479 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: women's bodies in a masculinist orgy of war and other 480 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 4: oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist male dominated capitalism, 481 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 4: the tradition of progress, the tradition of the appropriation of 482 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: nature is a resource for the production of culture, the 483 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 4: tradition of reproduction of the self from the reflections of 484 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 4: the other. One thing they sought to spend more time 485 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: studying is grammar like throwing a period now and again. Right, 486 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 4: so I can break it down by. 487 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: Phrase masculinist orgy of war. That's a good band. Yeah, 488 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 6: I saw them at the warfield San Francisco. 489 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Wow. 490 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 6: She wrote this out and then threw it into chat 491 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 6: GPT and just said, make this as wordy and confusing 492 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 6: as humanly possible. 493 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: I would love to take a class with one of 494 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 3: these people. 495 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: Love it. 496 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: God, I gotta see if I can take a class, like, 497 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: I'm sure my universe sty has this sort of stuff 498 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: in the town I live in, UC Davis. Take one 499 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 3: of these classes and ask sincere sounding questions like just 500 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 3: fully indulge their bost just oh my god, you've really 501 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: hit something here with me, the masculine orgy of war 502 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 3: or whatever that phrase was. Expound on that for me 503 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: with you, and just let them go on with their right. 504 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 4: Well, what's revealing about this and so interesting and odd 505 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: is that this is again, I just picked another sentence 506 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: at random. In doing so, the article develops a queer 507 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 4: and lesbian feminist approach to living in coalition with the 508 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: more than human with attention to what Stephen's and Sprinkle 509 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: name in this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied 510 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 4: motive relating to the earth, a tune of the sensorial 511 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 4: and activated through the erotic playfulness and joy. Every single 512 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: sentence is so, I mean, just stuffed full of jargon. Yeah, 513 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: it can mean whatever they say it means, or mean 514 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 4: nothing at all. 515 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay 516 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: and his books and his tweets about how this is 517 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 3: on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no 518 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 3: longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize 519 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: you're trying to you're trying to, you know, pull the 520 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases 521 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: and words that don't mean anything or only mean something 522 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit 523 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't 524 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: feel that way anymore, which is good. 525 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle, all right, what are 526 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 4: they talking about? 527 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: I'm reminded, you know, we God. 528 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 4: We did not get enough mileage out of the cliff 529 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 4: that came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia 530 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: demonstrations like last winter in which one of the leaders 531 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: of the Up with Terrorism, which is actually just down 532 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 4: with Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing 533 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 4: down Western civilization. And this gal, because of course it's 534 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: an angry woman, was saying. 535 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: You've learned your. 536 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 4: Colonialist theory and your gender theory, and your queer theory. 537 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: And your March's theory or whatever. 538 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 4: It's time to take all of your theories and put 539 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 4: them into action. And that was a really good kind 540 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: of summary what all of this is, all of those 541 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 4: wackadoodal theories that fall under critical theory are all just 542 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: different ways to attack Western civilization and bring it to 543 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 4: its knees so you can infiltrate it and usher in 544 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 4: your Marxist utopia. And all of this stuff is what 545 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 4: that looks like inside the sausage factory. 546 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 3: It's something shut. I tell you this, I ain't gonna 547 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: pay for my kid to sit in one of those 548 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: classrooms and learn that crap. 549 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: It ain't gonna happen. 550 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: If they somehow decide they really want that, they'll have 551 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: to take out a loan or figure it out on 552 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 3: their own. 553 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: One more just one more? Can I please? 554 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 4: Lesbian feminism, integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical 555 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: posthumanisms provide tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more 556 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 4: than human realms. Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature, 557 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: queers and women, challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion, 558 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: man woman. You can't bipoc human animal, nature, culture and 559 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: heterosexual queer. 560 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible 561 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 3: to believe it's real. 562 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm convinced for be controlled by this she they. 563 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: I can believe that somewhere in America there's a crazy 564 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: old man tunelessly playing the saw. You ever seen anybody 565 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 4: play the singing? I can believe that and accept it. 566 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: The idea that someone's paying them to do that and 567 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: they have tenure. That's where it gets crazy to me, 568 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 4: And that's what this stuff is. 569 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that 570 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: the purple fist represents what Katie. 571 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: Oh, stand. 572 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 5: Your break, Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory, Yes, the 573 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 5: purple fist is lesbian dance theory, or as Joey said, 574 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 5: your Scornchy's too tight around your rest you min. 575 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: Crutchy's too tight the Armstrong and Getty show, your show 576 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: podcasts and our hot lakes. 577 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 8: See Armstrong and getting Show. 578 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 4: Your relationship can handle way more honesty than you think 579 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 4: it can in a new study from the University of 580 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: Rochester and Beautiful of State New York found that being 581 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: brutally honest with your partner benefits both of. 582 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: You even if things get uncomfortable. Wow, I can't wait 583 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: to hear the examples. Clearly, Well, maybe I'm wrong. I 584 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: was going to say, clearly, don't fall under this category 585 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: that you know? Do I look fat in this? But 586 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong. Are they going to say that you 587 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: should tell them you look fat as a hog in that? 588 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: All right? 589 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: So here's your methodology. Scientists examine two hundred and fourteen 590 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: romantic couples who'd been together an average of fifteen years. 591 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: There you go. 592 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: Researchers brought these couples into a laboratory and began jabbing 593 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 4: them with sharp sticks. No, I've made that part up. 594 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: They had them. 595 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 4: Discuss something one partner wanted the other to change, the 596 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 4: kind of conversation most people dread having, and partners took 597 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 4: turns being the person requesting change and the person receiving 598 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 4: the feedback. 599 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: Of One of my best friends texted me on Friday 600 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 3: that can you believe it's been thirty two years? They 601 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: have been married for thirty two years, he and his wife, 602 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: And I remember him telling me one time he said, 603 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: sometimes you just gotta take a step back so they 604 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: can't hit you in, say an uncomfortable thing. 605 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: Anyway, So they brought the couples into the lab, had 606 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 4: them discuss something one partner wanted to change, the other 607 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 4: to change the and then vice versa. Before couples talked, 608 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 4: participants privately wrote down what they wanted their partner to change. 609 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: Then researchers compared what people wrote in private to what 610 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 4: they actually said out loud during the recorded conversations. 611 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: Now they then they also had another layer of it. 612 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 4: Independent observers watched all the videos a bunch of people 613 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 4: and rated how honest each person was being by comparing 614 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 4: their private thoughts to their spoken work. 615 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: So is this like a situation where you were going 616 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: to I'm gonna I'm gonna tell them about their breath, 617 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: You know, when you write down, I'm going to tell 618 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 3: them that the breath is horrible and they need to 619 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 3: do something about it. 620 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: Something like that. 621 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 3: Sure, but then you get the yips when you have 622 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 3: to actually tell them when you like, yes, okay. 623 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I do, we do. Everyone does. Yeah. It's that 624 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: sort of thing. 625 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 4: When people were more honest about requesting changes from their partners, 626 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 4: both people in the relationship reported better emotional well being 627 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: in higher relationship satisfaction immediately after the conversation, and researchers 628 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 4: found that the couples did not need to share the 629 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 4: same reality about the conversation for both people to benefit 630 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 4: from it. What mattered more was that people were actually 631 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 4: actually were being honest and that their partners. 632 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: Perceived them as honest. 633 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: So if I wrote down, I'm going to tell him 634 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: about okay, how about this scenario, I'm married to a woman. 635 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 4: If I say, wait a minute, this is an announcement, 636 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: we love you, we care about you, it's fine. 637 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: No, I would I think the other problem would complicate 638 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: the marriage with him because I'd have to at some 639 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: point say I'm not gay. So if you've no, it's 640 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: the lack of intimacy. It's because I'm not getting so 641 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 3: so if I was going to say to her, your 642 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: breath smells like a garbage dump, I don't need to 643 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: say it like that. But if I was going to 644 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 3: tell her the act, and then I get in there 645 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 3: and I say, look, there are certain things about you 646 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 3: hygiene wise that I don't dig, or something like that, 647 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 3: because I get scared to just say it out loud. 648 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: But if I said it out loud, it would be 649 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: better for. 650 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 4: Both of us, right not to be intensely hurtful, as 651 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 4: your quasi humorous example it was. 652 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, just be be frank. 653 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 6: That's more like moral the honesty aspect of it. I 654 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 6: just come out on saying what you feel. 655 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, to kind of jump to the end of it. 656 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 4: You are sending the message I am honest with you, 657 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 4: and that underlying principle of your relationship is much more 658 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 4: important than and the topic or any momentary discomfort with 659 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 4: someone being honest with you, because it can be very uncomfortable. 660 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: On a better example, because I just feel like that 661 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 3: one wouldn't bother many people. I mean, if if somebody 662 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 3: tell me that'd just be oh, well, I need to 663 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: change things. They need to brush, I need to get 664 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 3: a mint to I need to build, but I wouldn't 665 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: be personally hurt. 666 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: Really, it could be a sexual thing. 667 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 4: You know, we it's to this or that or not 668 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 4: enough this, or the way you do that is not 669 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 4: only not pleasurable, it's really annoying and off putting. And 670 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 4: you know there are ways you could put it that 671 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 4: were a little more gentle. But it could certainly be 672 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 4: something like that. Interestingly, researchers tested their findings across multiple measures, 673 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 4: including self reported emotional wellbeing, relationship satisfaction, and motivation to change. 674 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: They also had trained observers rates the same factors. Patterns 675 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 4: held consistent across all measures, and interestingly, three months later, 676 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 4: many benefits persisted. People who had been more honest during 677 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 4: the initial discussion reported better emotional well being and were 678 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 4: more likely to see positive change in their partners over time. 679 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: Which makes sense. Hmm, oh, oh, here it is Jack. 680 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 4: Study participants were not discussing minor annoyances either. Changes people 681 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 4: requested were specifically chosen to be topics they would find 682 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 4: uncomfortable to share real issues that could potentially caused conflict. 683 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: Yet even in these challenging circumstances, honesty proved beneficial. 684 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 3: Listen Pillow princess here, hold thisand or a trout and 685 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 3: she says, why the trut You're a like a cold fish, 686 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 3: that's what you're like. 687 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 2: Wow, that's so perfect. 688 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's that's that's really good because people love 689 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 4: a visual aids B metaphors and see the smell of 690 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 4: a trout right, yes, fish exactly. 691 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: You're like this in bed, hold it, see how you 692 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: like it. 693 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 4: There we go, and she would reply, I feel better 694 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 4: about our relationship. 695 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: This was beneficial. 696 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 4: Thank you 697 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: Armstrong and joe Gatty the Armstrong and Daddy Joey