1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: to get to for almost thirty years. From the stadiums 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: where athletes break barriers and set records. 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: Katink broke the all time single game assists record. This 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: is crazy for rookies to be doing. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, I welcome, Welcome, 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Get Sports. I appreciate you 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: being here, family, because we are so close with one another. 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I am going to tell you a true story growing up. 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: Not that I don't always tell you true stories, but 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: growing up, your girl wanted to be a rapper. And 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: this is all gonna make sense in a minute, so 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: just stay with me here. I literally wanted to be 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: a rapper. I grew up in a time when hip 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: hop was you know, brand new, I you know, and 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: people on the West Coast, because I grew up in 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: LA people on the West Coast were just now understanding rap. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: My particular genre of rap growing up was gangster rap. 27 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: It was Eazye and ice Cube and Snoop and Dre 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: and there was a group called jj Fad and Yo 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Yo and I'm going down to all the people. And 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: of course I knew Salt and Pepper from New York. 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: They were like all time right, And I would write lyrics. 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I would just write them all the time, just on 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: the bus school bus with my homegirl d D. 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Shout out to d D. 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't know where she is anymore, but that was 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: like my middle school homegirl and middle school literally writing rhymes. 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: I knew that I was going to be a rapper. 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Clearly that did not pan out. However, I used to 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: write like the Bubblegum one two three C A R 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: with Ni Carrie. Yeah, I am so live. See as 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: for the crabs that swim in to see because when 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: I wrapped to the vat, they wrapped with me. As 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: for the action, that's what I get because when I 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: wrap on the mic, I just won't quit. You know, 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: that's just a taste. I still freestyle. That's just a taste. 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: And I also entered into a radio It was a 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: radio contest and if I if my rap was chosen, 48 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: I would win, like some gift certificates to the local 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: swap meet, some just real real nonsense stuff you just 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: think is important. And it was about cross chords. If 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: you grew up on the West coast, cross chords is 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: a thing. This is only for a particular type of audience, 53 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: not cross colors, but just cross chords. Cross color also 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: was a thing, but cross chords specifically in La was 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: a thing. It was quarteruray pants that went you know, 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: left to right, not up and down. I don't know why, 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: but I say all that so you guys can hear this. 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: This next verse, I'm about to spit. Crosschords are the 59 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: latest sensation. They sweep in everybody all across the nation. 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: You can wear them with silk and sway leather flats, 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: and if you don't like them, you can take them back. 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: And if you want to pay it for yourself, just 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: go to the swamp meat. They own the shelf. They 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: have a men every color that you want put on 65 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: your old cord. So you ki fly your body. You 66 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: look the way did you walk? I'm about to sign off, 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: but here's a thought. Cross chords by a word because 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: you just say word all the time. 69 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: Word. 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I found the right profession, 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: is what you're saying. You all would have been done 72 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: with my hip hop. 73 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: Anyway. 74 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: I say all that to say I really, truly, really 75 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: truly thought I was going to be a rapper. And 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: I listened to the likes of the person I am 77 00:03:52,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: interviewing today. He was sexy and fine and chocolate and 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: coo and had all the things like in my mind. 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: He in my mind. Also he felt. 80 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: Like a real grown man, like an older grown man, right, 81 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: and and I remember thinking, oh, man, I love him 82 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: so much. And so I will tell you who it 83 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: is in a second. But I had a good friend 84 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: call me and say, hey, Rock the Bells is this 85 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: weekend and I want to know if you want to 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: interview some of the folks in the lineup. First thing 87 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: I thought was, yeah, I want to talk to oh Cooljre. 88 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: She's like nol LL doesn't want it to be about him. 89 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna put some of the pioneers of hip hop up. 90 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: He wants them to get their flowers. He wants them 91 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: to have the time and attention they deserve, one of 92 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: which is our guest today, Big Daddy Kane. 93 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: Ain't no half step in. 94 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm Big Daddy Kine. And then because I'm a smooth operted, 95 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm off feet. 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: But you get the point. 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: And I think it is really really special what Rock 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: the Bells has been trying to do. And I'm gonna 99 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I didn't understand that Rock the 100 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Bells wasn't just a concert or a radio station where 101 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: you can listen to hip hop. It is a movement. 102 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: And by that I mean there is merchandise. There is 103 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: a Rock de Bell's Cruise, there are Rock de Bell's 104 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: live events outside of this concert that will be happening. 105 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: It already has happened by the time you listen to this, 106 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: right the concert that happened in Jersey at the Prudential Center. 107 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: But it's a really beautiful thing. And what they're trying 108 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: to do is honor the legends of the past. Was 109 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: still telling the stories of the future. And today I 110 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to talk to Kane, because that's what 111 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: he told me to call him, because we're best friends, 112 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: and he wanted to share with me just his history, 113 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: just his knowledge, and he was a great interview. For 114 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: those of you who know about Rock the Bells, they 115 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: do not miss. It's an all day performance and you'll 116 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: have folks like Eric b and Rock Kim karras one 117 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: rock Sane Chante too short. You've got to get some scarface, 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: you got to get some love to the West Coast. 119 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: Of course, I mean so many Redman remy ma must 120 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: of Rhymes. It's called the Class of twenty twenty five. 121 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: Summer's Cool. So I think that what Rock the Bells 122 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: has done is really special. I don't think that we 123 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: give enough flowers to those who have come before us, 124 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: and we don't respect them in the way that they 125 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: deserved to be respected because of what they've been able 126 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: to create. And so on today's podcast, that is what 127 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: we will do. Kin will tell us some stories, we'll 128 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: give some love to Rock the Bells, and we'll also 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: talk about the art of hip hop. And while people 130 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: thought it was just a fluke fifty plus years strong, 131 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: fifty one, now I think and it has become more 132 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: than I'm sure that most people thought it would ever be. 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: The evolution of hip hop is special. So sit back, 134 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: relax and enjoy. Big Daddy Caine so excited to have 135 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: you on here, Big Daddy Kane. I'll call you Kane 136 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: because we're best friends. You told me that, So now 137 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: that we're best season, we got that out of the way. 138 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: We are here to talk about Rock the Bells Class 139 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. Some are cool which you are 140 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: performing this weekend in the lineup, and I'm excited about it. 141 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: Talk to me about Rock the Bells. It's a movement. 142 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I really truly didn't know what I didn't know, and 143 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: it is a movement. 144 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: Tell me about Rock the Bells. 145 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it's a movement, like you said, 146 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: but it's a beautiful movement for a simple fact that 147 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 4: you know, music is eternal, Music is infinite, you know, 148 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 4: and we're at a point in life where hip hop 149 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: has not just parents, not just grandparents, but great grandparents 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: you know that were raised in hip hop, and Rock 151 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: the bell showcases all those different generations and not like 152 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: it doesn't classify them, you know, you know, it doesn't 153 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: classify them like, you know, this is the ass, this 154 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 4: is the nineties, this is the eighties, this is the seventies. 155 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: It just it's hip hop. It's all hip hop, you know. 156 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: And what Rock the Bells is doing is doing it 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 4: the right way where you respect your legends, you respect 158 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: your pioneers, just like rock does with Blue Springsteen's and 159 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: Rod Stewart's you know, blues does with BB King and 160 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: Bobby Blue playing and so on and so on. 161 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because I noticed it was a 162 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: part of the tagline, which is like it's past, present 163 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: and future, and you're truly a pioneer. I know that 164 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: your music. El's music just narrated my childhood. It really 165 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: influenced how I was able to express myself. And I 166 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: know there are people of this generation and obviously younger 167 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: who say, let me. 168 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: Tell you something. I appreciate the storytelling. 169 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm really curious, Kine, how did you how did you 170 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: be again in the business and storytelling, The way in 171 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: which you would speak about your life, what was going on, 172 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: who you were, how fly you were, all of the things. 173 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: I want to know how that storytelling began for you? 174 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: Well, growing up in Brooklyn, you know there were certain 175 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 4: things that you saw. You know, there were elements that 176 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: you saw when you're hanging out as a little kid, 177 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: and some of the stuff that used to fascinate me 178 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: was like, you know, seeing the hustler or the pimp 179 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: pull up, you know, and the big kop Deville or 180 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 4: Broham or the deuce in the quarter and sending the 181 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: kid to the store to get them a lucy cigarette 182 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 4: or you know, get them a can of bud Wiser 183 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: and telling us to keep change. And we got about 184 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 4: nineteen dollars worth of change, you know, like saying like, 185 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 4: you know, like oh wow, this is amazing. One day 186 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: I want to you know, So as I grew older, 187 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: you know, I grew into just figuring it. Also, I'm 188 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 4: a big fan of all the seventies movies like Black 189 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 4: Seas and the Matt Cooley Hide and all that stuff. 190 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 4: You know, So as I got older, you know, growing 191 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: into this, like this is the stuff that I identified with. 192 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: And luckily, one day in nineteen eighty four, I started 193 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: wrapping in eighty two, but two years after that, nineteen 194 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: eighty four, I was fortunate enough to meet Biz Walkee. 195 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: And this is someone that I asked for a rap battle, 196 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: and after the battle, he told me to get down 197 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 4: with him. We're gonna make some money. And thanks to him, 198 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: I was able to get you know, he asked me, though, 199 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 4: I'm helping to write his first album, and then he 200 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: got me a record deal with Cold Chillin, you know, 201 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: got me signed to my first label. So I mean, 202 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: how I really owe it all to Biz, you know. 203 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: Shout out to Biz. I noticed that. 204 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: I know that I was doing some research. You've been 205 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: performing or you had a performance where you were honoring 206 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: him and the proceeds went to I don't know what 207 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: the to. I don't know if it was his foundation, 208 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: but talk to me about how you were trying to 209 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: keep his memory alive. 210 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: I definitely tried to keep his memory alive, and I 211 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 4: often would like to acknowledge Cool v Y san Chante 212 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 4: and his wife Tara, you know, who also do a 213 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: great job of, you know, trying to keep his memory alive. 214 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: You know. 215 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, I think there's something that's 216 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 4: important because you know, there's so many hip hop artists. 217 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: There's so many, so many hip hop artists, and you know, 218 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 4: lots of times when you're gone, you're gone. But I 219 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 4: think that this dude is a legend that had such 220 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 4: such an impact, not just on the culture, but on 221 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: people like I think that everyone Biz met he affected 222 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: their life some sort of way. And still today I 223 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: meet new people that tell me about Biz turning them 224 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: onto this, Biz taking them there, Biz trying to help 225 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: them get a deal. I mean, this dude was literally 226 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 4: the hip hop for his gump. 227 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: You know. 228 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 229 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: And obviously you talk about how influential he was in 230 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: your career, and I'm sure in others when you think 231 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: about when he helped you get on, were you under 232 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: the impression that you would have such an imped Did 233 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: you know in that moment that when you're one of 234 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: the first, while it may not be easy, you're creating 235 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: something that is historical. Were you even aware of that concept? 236 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 4: It was in my mind. It was the type of 237 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: thing where I'm watching What's Happening with run dmc BC boys, Budini, 238 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: Fat Boy is Done branched off into film, so I 239 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: see exactly how big hip hop is getting. And then 240 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: I'm also hearing a lot of R and B radio 241 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 4: personalities discredited it and saying that you know, it's just 242 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: a phase, which reminded me of the way they spoke 243 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: about rock and roll in the fifties. So I saw 244 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: the comparisons and I was like, Oh, this is about 245 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 4: to really really take off. 246 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: This is going to be big. 247 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 4: So, you know, in that process, I'm trying to figure out, 248 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: you know, my niche, what works for me. And you know, 249 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: I just started really study studying how to really become 250 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: a much better performer because I started as a battle rapper. 251 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: You know, I'd never been on those stage until I 252 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: got with BIZ, So studying how to be a better 253 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: performer and then also watching certain things that BIZ and 254 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: other people did, you know, to learn how to really 255 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 4: truly write songs. 256 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break because we have 257 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: to pay some bills. We'll be right back in just 258 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: a few moments. Battle Rap, I want to just take 259 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: a moment and talk about that. You said you weren't 260 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: necessarily a good performer, but I would think battle rap 261 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,479 Speaker 1: is actually performing just a different audience, just a different circumstance. 262 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: What were the differences for you in learning how to 263 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: actually make this an art and perform on stage versus 264 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: battle rapping. 265 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: As a battle rapper, I was learning from Muhammad Ali, 266 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: you know, I wasn't learning from a musical artist. I 267 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: was learning from Muhammad Ali how to get into your 268 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 4: head and feats you before we even said one single rhyme, 269 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 4: you know, how to get your fan base and your 270 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 4: boys on my side, you know. 271 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: So that's where I was in battle rap with. 272 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: What did what did Willhamma give you? 273 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: You watched him in the ring and you felt you 274 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, I'm I'm just dissecting his technique. 275 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, Coovi brother, his DJ's brother, this dude named Craig. 276 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: He gave me this VHS of a lot of footage 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 4: from Ali from the sixties, and I was seeing like 278 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: stuff that he was doing to get into people's head, 279 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 4: you know, coming to Floyd Patterson gym and handing him 280 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: a bunch of carrots and telling him from now on, 281 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: your name is the rabbit, because he was saying that 282 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: he run your name is the rabbit, and you know, 283 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: stuff like that, and going to George Shavalo while he's 284 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: get the rings sparring, Ali next to him, you know, 285 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: acting like he's sparring too, just like the way he 286 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 4: was getting people heads, you know, and the way he 287 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 4: would talk to commentators and interviewers like during like press 288 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: day to talk about the other fighter's he was saying 289 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: stuff like like when he talked about George Foreman, I 290 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 4: think that he possibly created doubt in a lot of 291 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: people's mind when he was just sitting there saying. 292 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: You never heard George, never heard nobody say round four. 293 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 4: Down fifteen, you know when he was talking, and it's 294 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: like you think about that and say, yeah, George normally 295 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 4: knocked people out. He never had to get in the 296 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: scuffle and go to distance, and he's showing how slow 297 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: George through his punches. Rest in peace to Big George. 298 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, it was like he knew 299 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 4: how to get in people's heads and he knew how 300 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: to drag people in by the stuff that he said. 301 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: So that's what I was learning from from my lead 302 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: as a battle back. 303 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: I love that I might have to take some of that. 304 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, that's actually really why So then as a 305 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: battle rapper, you get in their head and you say 306 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: it's a difference. Now when you are performing on stage, 307 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: what is that difference? Is it cadence? Is it breath work? 308 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's a physical aspect of it. 309 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: Well, I think one of the first lessons that I 310 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: learned was that if you stand on stage and just perform, 311 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: you know, the song identical as it sounds on record 312 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: or tape, then basically people just watched the album. You know, 313 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: they call their house, they heard the album there can't 314 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: be a show, and watched the album. You gave them 315 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 4: nothing special, you gave them nothing different. There was no twists. 316 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 4: So one of the first things I did, Okay, what 317 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: can I do different that you haven't seen me? I 318 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: mean that you haven't heard me do on the album. 319 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: You know. 320 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: So that was one of the first things I thought 321 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 4: was important. And then also like really finding myself. I 322 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: remember hanging out with Dougie Fresh and he showed me 323 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: these videos of Earth Wind and Fire and Michael Jackson 324 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 4: and was saying that, like everybody else is trying to 325 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: study from Run DMC and Houdini and incorporate stuff they 326 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: used to do, but I'm studying from Earth from the 327 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: Fire Michael Jackson because they're not hip hop. So when 328 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 4: I'm learning from them, I'm introducing to hip hop. And 329 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay. So that next morn That next morning, 330 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: I went and bought Marvin Gaye, James Brown, and Barry 331 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: White on VHS's and I started studying from them. 332 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: You know. You know, Gary had a unique way. 333 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 4: Of identifying with one particular person in the crowd. He 334 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: would acknowledge it one particular person, you know, he his 335 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 4: song and stuff, and then he just looked at one person. 336 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 4: Hey there, you know, you know, you know, so like 337 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 4: learning how to do stuff like that. And then James Brown, 338 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 4: you know, with with the Flames, you know, and they 339 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 4: doing their dance routines. So I got schooling scrap and 340 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: we started trying to, you know, emulate the James Brown 341 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: routines like that, you know, and you know, and Marvin 342 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 4: Gaye he just had like a certain sex appeal that 343 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 4: I thought would work with you know, with the women 344 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 4: on stage, you know, movement wise, as opposed to just 345 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: get you know what I'm saying. Marlin gay had a certain, 346 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 4: you know, sway of five him. I'm like, okay, I 347 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 4: see you wavin you know that type of thing, you know. 348 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: He first and foremost. 349 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: I love this because when I think about it, and 350 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: obviously there'll probably be more and you can correct me, 351 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: but you were one of the first to really like 352 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: in hip hop talk to the ladies like it's about 353 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: you like ya, this is for you. 354 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: You were you were smooth Smooth Operator. 355 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: All pun intended was when you did that, when you 356 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: would when you have you. 357 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: Just be clean too. So you are performing. 358 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: You come from a battle wrap world, but yet you 359 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: can bring that on the stage and still perform. But 360 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: also you wanted to make people know that you wanted 361 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: to give them the experience. What was the writing process 362 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: for you, like smooth Operator? What made you write that. 363 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: Well, Smooth Operator? It was like I wanted to. 364 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: Like create something lyrical but mellow, you know, something I 365 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: wanted to be lyricol but I wanted it to be mellow. 366 00:18:59,440 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: You know. 367 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 4: Once I decided to use the Mary Jane girls all 368 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 4: night long, you know, everything kind of just you know 369 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: fell in place on his own, you know, like, Okay, yeah, 370 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: it's a smooth you know, Okay, we're gonna call this 371 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: smooth Operator. And when when Rick James gave me the nod, 372 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 4: you know, he gave me the okay. You know, everything else, 373 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: you know, just fell in place. 374 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: What was that conversation? 375 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Like was it because nowadays you text people, you got 376 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: you have to actually physically call them back in the day, 377 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: what was that conversation like. 378 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I knew that that was a big 379 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 4: record for the Mary Jane Girls. We were gonna have 380 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 4: to clear it. So I reached out to Rick to 381 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: ask them to help me clear it. 382 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: And you gotta tell the story, all the stories. This 383 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: is what the podcast is for, Kane. What do you say? 384 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: Well, can I yes? Can I use the fanity? 385 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Most definitely? 386 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 3: Can? 387 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 388 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: Well, when I called him and told him that I 389 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: made a song called Smooth Operator and it's Mary Jane 390 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 4: Girls sample, I'm gonna need you to help me clear it, 391 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: and Rick was like, use anything. 392 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: You need to use in my house. 393 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 4: It was a bigger record for them. 394 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: That will you know. 395 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: By the way, I know, I've heard so many of 396 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: stories about this man, and that's just the cadence, the language, 397 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: that is it how he talks, and so I love that. 398 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: Okay. 399 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: So then I'm curious because when you look as a 400 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: pioneer of hip hop, when you look at artists today, 401 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: do you see your direct influence on a particular artist? 402 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: I know you see it in general, but is there 403 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: a particular artist you're like, Okay, there's my influence, or 404 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: perhaps that artist remind you of yourself. 405 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 4: The only one I mean, I've never had any of 406 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 4: them tell me that the new generation or you know, 407 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: but the only one that I look at and I 408 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 4: can really say that they remind me of myself would 409 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: probably be Lady London, really yeah, because she knows how 410 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: to combine lyricism plus sex appeal. And then also she's 411 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 4: very sarcastic. She's very sarcastic, you know, with her lyrics, 412 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: and then her cockiness. Her cockiness is hilarious, you know, 413 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: her cockiness is hilarious, like she like, it's the type 414 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 4: of thing where she noted, you know, she that one 415 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 4: and you know, and and and she don't mind putting 416 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: other people under pressure, making them uncomfortable in the. 417 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: Room, and that was yeah, and that is you? 418 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Was you? 419 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 4: Is you? 420 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah? Oh yeah. 421 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: Okay. 422 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: So then I think of some of the classics, and 423 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: obviously you're performing this weekend. How do you put a 424 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: set list together that you think think ultimately represents what 425 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: you are able to give to hip hop and what 426 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: you would like this generation, this new generation, past, present, future, 427 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: what you would like for them to receive when they 428 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: walk away. Like I just saw I just saw Cane 429 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: perform and it felt like you fell in the blank. 430 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, in all honesty, other than you know, 431 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: some sort of positive message and a good vibe. That's 432 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 4: the only thing that I actually try to give to them. 433 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: Other than that, I try to give them what I 434 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 4: think they want. You know, you're you're done, paid money 435 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 4: for a concert, and I think there's certain hits that 436 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: you want to hear, and so I try to, you know, 437 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: combine them, you know, so that you can you know, 438 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 4: get a chance to hear everything that you that you 439 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: wanted to hear. And you know, also you know, bringing 440 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: the energy, you know, bringing the energy, keeping it, you know, 441 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 4: real energetic, and you know, yeah, I want to. 442 00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: I want to. I want to. 443 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: You get tired, you know, I'm looking at the I'm 444 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: looking at the list right Eric being Ron Kim. From 445 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: my understanding, you Rax Sane Chante's hosting kick Caprile be 446 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: there with the sets. I think and El said he 447 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: wasn't performing in general because he said it wasn't about him. 448 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: He wanted to make sure that everybody could be in 449 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: this space. The list goes on and on. I got 450 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: too short. I grew up on the West Coast, so 451 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: obviously I think of I think of too short. I 452 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: know him, well great, just a great dude when you 453 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: were in company with these with these greats, because the 454 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: behind the scenes has to be insane, and I know 455 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: the stories are wild, But when you look around, how 456 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: would you describe the contribution you all gave? What did 457 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: hip hop give to this world? 458 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 4: I think that hip hop was something that it didn't 459 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 4: just give, you know, music. I think that it gave 460 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 4: a voice, you know, because like in R and B 461 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 4: and in rock, you know, rock had some protest songs. 462 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: R and B. 463 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: You know, you had What's going on from Marvin Gaye, 464 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: a lot of all Curtis Mayfield stuff, you know, was 465 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 4: very conscious. But I mean, I think that in hip 466 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: hop it was it was a type of thing where 467 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 4: it's coming from the youth. You know, you had nineteen 468 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: twenty year olds talking to nineteen twenty year olds about 469 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 4: you know, conscious matters and things is happening in the world, 470 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 4: you know. So I mean I think that you know, 471 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 4: it really gave musical voice, you know, and educate in 472 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 4: educating the youth. 473 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: Hip hop conscious hip hop right, I don't even want 474 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: to label it, but like kras One, Eric Perman, Kim y'all, 475 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: everyone had a message. Do you see do you feel 476 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: as if conscious rap is as valued now? 477 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: No? 478 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: Why not? 479 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think that, you know, it's you know, 480 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 4: like that was you know, a whole you know, structured, 481 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 4: you know, government thing. You know, because what basically happened 482 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 4: is like there was a time where, not just in 483 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 4: hip hop, not just in hip hop music period, where 484 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 4: there were songs that could play on the radio and 485 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 4: there were. 486 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: Songs that couldn't. 487 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 4: Before hip hop, you could hear an Ojay's Marvin Gaye 488 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 4: song on the radio. You couldn't hear Millie Jackson song 489 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: on the radio. You couldn't hear a Blowfly song on 490 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 4: the radio. And even on the eyes of the Brothers 491 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 4: when they did fight the power, they had to mute 492 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 4: when rob Ron said, boy, you see what I'm saying. 493 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 4: So stuff like that wasn't allowed on the radio. And 494 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, not they clear blue. When 495 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 4: hip hop gained such a strong voice and such a 496 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: strong connection to the youth, next thing, you know, the 497 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 4: most gangster stuff, the most negative stuff became the com 498 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 4: rosue hip hop and conscious hip hop was a labeled 499 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: as underground. You know, underground in my era was like 500 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 4: ghetto boys didn't get no radio play. They still sold 501 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 4: millions of records, but they didn't get radio play. You know, 502 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 4: Kuji rap didn't get no radio play. You know, there 503 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 4: was like it was like that, like all the gangster 504 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 4: rap was what was the underground sound? But then it 505 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 4: at first, you. 506 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: Know, you mentioned gangster rap. 507 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: I think everyone when they say gangster rap, I think 508 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: they think of West Coast initially, at least I do. Anyway, 509 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: that might have been the entrance into the world. How 510 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: do you think of gangster rap? 511 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: Well, I mean you hear Ice t say it in 512 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 4: every interview that you know, when he got the concept 513 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: of gangster rap from school, he d that's a Philly dude, 514 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: you know, so and then you know that's what g 515 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 4: rap was known for. Of course, Ice Ta n w 516 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: a ghetto boys. I mean, you know, I don't when 517 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: I think a gangster rap, I don't say it's a 518 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 4: West Coast thing. I think that it's a genre inside 519 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: the hip hop genre that a lot of people. 520 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: You know, try what is that? 521 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so wait, let's go there. 522 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: So hip there's this big thing called hip hop, and 523 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: within hip hop there's different genres. 524 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: There's gangster rap. There is conscious rap. 525 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, in R and B you 526 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 4: have soul, you know, like you know, your Yourretha Franklin, 527 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 4: your Bobby Will. 528 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: Mash Sure, Okay, okay, you know what I'm saying. 529 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: You you have you have disco like your Donna Summers, 530 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 4: you have contemporary you know. So there's there's different there's 531 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: genres that live inside of the genres. So on hip hop. Yeah, 532 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: you have your gangster rap, you have your conscious rap, 533 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 4: you have your your mumble wrap, your trap. You know, 534 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, there's you know, there's genres inside 535 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 4: of the hip hop genre. 536 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break because we have to 537 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: pay some bills. We'll be right back in just a 538 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: few moments. I would like to get your take on it. 539 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: You're such a historian, Like whether you understand it or not, 540 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you do. When you talk about your 541 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: performance and what you leaned on and others that you 542 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: looked at and how you went outside of the world 543 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: that you knew to perform and to obviously be inspired 544 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: with your music, to me, that is absolutely amazing. So 545 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: I'm really curious because you've as a pioneer in this 546 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: business when you look at obviously, what had everybody in 547 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: a choke hold was the back and forth with Drake 548 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: and Kendrick. When you think about that that battle rap, 549 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: if you will, how would you describe that outside looking in? 550 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: Was there a clear winner? Was there a clear loser? 551 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: Did hip hop win in general or did it lose? 552 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 4: I think that hip hop won because Kendrick opened the 553 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 4: door to harder sounding hip hop gaining commercial respect. So 554 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: I think the hip hop won in that sense, you know, 555 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: because I think, you know, Drake pretty much created the 556 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: standard of how commercial hip hop song is supposed to 557 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 4: sound in this era. 558 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: And with the. 559 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 4: Thing with him and Kendrick, what Kendrick did was, you know, 560 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 4: the n like us and all stuff, is that he 561 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 4: opened the door where it can be more than just that. 562 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 4: You know that that musical beat you know, and the 563 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: auto tunes and you know, so I mean it expanded. 564 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 4: So it's like you know that that formula the drink 565 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 4: users is still there, but now the Kendrick formula is 566 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: allowed as well. So if you don't want to sing 567 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 4: auto tunes and another that you can still make find 568 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: commercial success. 569 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: So he took he took commercial, He took commercial rap 570 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: or what was the blueprint for commercial rap created by 571 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Drake and he was able to to make it conscious 572 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: and commercial. 573 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 4: Before they tear me apart in social media out there, 574 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 4: created by Drake in this era. 575 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: In this era. 576 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: Let's be clear, Carrie, this era not overall, but in 577 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: this era. 578 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: And so what did Kendrick do? You said he took 579 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: it further? Is him? Is he making. 580 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: It not like us? 581 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 4: It's more of a modern hip hop, you know, like 582 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 4: regular hip hop field. So with Kendrick having success with that, 583 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of younger artists that didn't 584 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 4: want to use AutoTunes, didn't want to use you know, 585 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: musical sound and beats, could find commercial success in that 586 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 4: same Kendrick lane. 587 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: So he opened up a different doorway. 588 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 4: So in that sense, yeah, I think that hip hop 589 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: won you know, but I will say this. 590 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if you watch Battle Raps. 591 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 4: But you know, it's like lots of times, you know, 592 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 4: people say some funny, funny. 593 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: Stuff, man, what they're going at you. 594 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: But the funny stuff that you hear ninety percent of 595 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: the time don't even be true. It's just something to 596 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 4: make you laugh crack. But I mean the thing that 597 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 4: I didn't really like about it. It's like, you know, 598 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 4: like you have to get into the lyrics. I feel like, 599 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: if it's a battle, get into the lyrics regards. There's 600 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: no need to do fact checking. They're battling, they're battling. 601 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 4: You know, this is not, you know, a Jordan versus 602 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: Lebron thing. This is just two MC's dissing each other 603 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 4: and in battle wrap. It don't matter if they're telling 604 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 4: the truth or not. It's just how dope the lyrics are. 605 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of people waste it 606 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 4: a lot of time trying to fact check everything instead 607 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: of just enjoying what Kendrick said, enjoying what Drake said. 608 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: You know. 609 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it definitely won for hip hop 610 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 4: cretic because I think the Kendrick Kendrick created a new doorway. 611 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: The Kendrick win, the Kendrick win the battle. 612 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. I wasn't the judge. 613 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: I'm just asking your opinion. 614 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: I don't I mean, I wasn't the judge. 615 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: You like, if you have to choose, I picked Kendrick. 616 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: You don't choose. You didn't choose. 617 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: You just loved, you just loved. You're not saying either 618 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: one one you just yeah. 619 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: I was just in Yeah, I was just enjoying. 620 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 4: See you know two mcs do that, you know because people, 621 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 4: uh sometimes try to make it seem like that ain't necessary, 622 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 4: that ain't hip hop, and say yes it is. 623 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: Yes, it is most definitely. 624 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 4: You know, just date back to the to the Cold 625 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 4: Crush and the Fantastic Five way back in the early eighties. 626 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 4: You know, yes it is. They guess been battling each other. 627 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 4: That's always been a part of hip hop? 628 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Is it not the foundation of it? Is that not 629 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: part of how it became hip hop? 630 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: Battle rap? Hip hop? Is that not it? 631 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's an important part of it, 632 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: especially if you're in MC, because it's definitely gonna shop 633 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: in your skills. It's definitely gonna shop in your skills. 634 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 4: If you know how to battle rap, it's definitely gonna 635 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 4: shop in your skills. So I believe it's a very 636 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 4: very important part of it. 637 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: So so schooled me. We at Kendrick, I know of 638 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: Kendrick and Drake. Now, who would be your who is 639 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: your versus MC daddy king versus who is your nemesis? 640 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: If you will in the hip hop sense, of the word, 641 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: like who who would you have to battle with to 642 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: prove like that you're better? Like did you have battle 643 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: raps with people who were just as famous as you 644 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: the same way that we witness Kendrick and Drake? 645 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, I had battles in the days, 646 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 4: but you know, I mean back then, at that point 647 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 4: in time in the late eighties, you know, everybody just 648 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 4: wanted to see me and Rock Kim go at it. 649 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: That's what everybody wanted, you know. 650 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you guys friends to this day? 651 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we're cool. 652 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: Like can we because he's performing too at Rock the Bells? 653 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: Can we expect a quick a quick battle between you two? 654 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: Is that not on the agenda? Can I get to 655 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: the producers? Why are we not doing that? That would 656 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: be great, wouldn't it be? No? 657 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 4: I mean you know, I thought that would have been 658 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 4: nice during the time this Swiss was doing versus. Yes, yeah, 659 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 4: I did it with KRS. I actually did it with KRS. 660 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: We did it. 661 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: Versus day Okay, and Karas one will be there as 662 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: well before I let you go, And I just want 663 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: to make sure that I am giving you the proper 664 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: respect or just do flowers put whatever adjective you want 665 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: to know, I thank you for all that you've done 666 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: for hip hop. I don't know if you see or 667 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: feel as respected as you should feel, but I love 668 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: moments where we can highlight those who actually started it 669 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: and pave the way. So when I think of rock 670 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: the Bells, I find like it's such a hidden gym 671 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: because you forget sometimes we forget in this busy world 672 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: of social media and people are turning out content. And 673 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: like you said, there's so many genres of hip hop. 674 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: People tend to have different styles that they like. But 675 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: when you and other legends came along back in the day, 676 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: there was a standard that was set. So I appreciate 677 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: that and I thank you for that. If you could 678 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: give any words of wisdom to artists that are out 679 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: there right now, obviously making lots of money doing their thing. 680 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: They have they have status, they have cachet, what would 681 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: you what would you tell these artists in the sense 682 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: of what matters the most and what we do in 683 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: this world of storytelling? 684 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 4: Well, I would tell them Number one, I would say that, 685 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 4: you know, always try to be original, you know, I mean, 686 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 4: don't follow I mean, especially if you're looking for longevity 687 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,919 Speaker 4: in the game. If you look for longevity in the game, 688 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 4: then you should try to be original, make people love 689 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 4: or respect you for who you are. Don't follow a 690 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 4: trend because once that trend is gone, you're gone. They're 691 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 4: on to what's new. And if you are getting into 692 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 4: this business, this music business, just remember that's two words. 693 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 4: So as much as you on top of your music, 694 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: be on top of your business as well. 695 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: You know, I love that. 696 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Last, but not least, what are you working on any 697 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: upcoming projects, any other performances that you want to share 698 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: with us? 699 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 2: Or should we follow you on social? 700 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 3: Yeah? 701 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely followed me official, Big Daddy came. That's on all platforms. 702 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 4: They tuned for my new docum series called Paragraphs that Manifest. 703 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 4: It's talking about the importance of lyricism and hip hop 704 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 4: and you know, we have a bunch of cats talking about, 705 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, the way they write songs, on how much 706 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 4: they feel like levetsunport to them, what certain songs meant 707 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 4: to them. And it features myself, Lady London, MC light 708 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 4: j Cole Jay, z eminem Snoop Dogg, Common. We even 709 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 4: have the battle rappers like Good as the Animal and 710 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 4: Pavor You know, but. 711 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. 712 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: Last but not least what we're wearing, because you know, 713 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: you clean. Do we have our fits ready? Do we 714 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: do a change? 715 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely. 716 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: I keep saying last, but not least, But I have 717 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: so many more questions. I'm trying not to dog it now. 718 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: What I'm looking for is some, it's some. It's I'm 719 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: looking forward to some, some sleet, some real smooth dancing, 720 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: just like one or two steps. Like I know you're 721 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: not gonna be out there busting moves and pop locking. 722 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: But what do we have something for the ladies? Do 723 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: they need to be prepared? Are we passing out flowers? 724 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: We're giving out some roses in the front. 725 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 4: What we're doing, well you you will get the dance moves, 726 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 4: and I promise to give you a lot more than 727 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 4: just a two step. 728 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And. 729 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean well we have we got something for 730 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 4: the ladies and we got something for the fellas. I 731 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 4: want to entertain everybody. So we're gonna make it real, 732 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 4: you know, and out of time that we have, we're 733 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 4: gonna make it real special. 734 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: Big Daddy Kane, Kane, my new best friend. I appreciate 735 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show. It's snaked 736 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: with carry Champion and you really you really didn't make 737 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: my year. I appreciate all the wisdom I really really 738 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: do and have a great performance this weekend. 739 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 3: Thank You's Day. 740 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 2: Okay, do we not love Kane? 741 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: I hope for those of you who are listening and 742 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: too young to really understand and appreciate him, you go 743 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: back and listen to some of his some of his 744 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: stuff like it's really truly I'm saying stuff. Some of 745 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: his music, it really truly is special and it's a beat, 746 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: it's a vibe. 747 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: He said, he's. 748 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: Dancing, he moving, he cleaned, he might come at you know, 749 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: rock cam. He now for sure all that you need 750 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: to pay attention to all of that. Now, I will 751 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: say this. I love that he gave us the Muhammad 752 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: Ali story. It leads me to what I wanted to 753 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: wrap up the podcast with today. I approved this message. 754 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: I was watching the NBA Finals as we all were, 755 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: and halfway through the finals, because this is why you 756 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: love a good seven game series, I thought to myself. 757 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: First I went in thinking, okay, see would win, and. 758 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: Then I changed my mind, and then I was on 759 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: the Pacers bandwagon just because of what Tyre's Halliburton and 760 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: the Pacers were doing. How he was winning in the 761 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: most unexpected ways, How he continued to seem and appear 762 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: fearless and relentless. How the team, the Pacers team individually 763 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: was just so deep. They always had somebody ready to shoot, 764 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: not from the three, it was always somebody in the 765 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: pain like they just really had a beautiful rotation of 766 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: players that were all equally as talented or complimented each other. Well, 767 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: as we know, the Pacers lost. Some people call it 768 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: perhaps a championship with an asterisk for the OKAC for OKAC, 769 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: I understand why, because Haliburton, obviously injured in Game seven, 770 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: couldn't finish the job. 771 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 2: If you will. 772 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: I still think, though, when it's all said and done, 773 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: that OKAC was going to win. They were playing at home. 774 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: I think they had the momentum on their side. But yes, 775 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: what if. There are plenty of championships where you could 776 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: say what if? 777 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 2: What if? What if? What if? 778 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: But what I am more interested in is the future. 779 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum, get your MS out, carry Tyrese Haliburton, 780 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: and not so much Dame, but yes, Dame also all 781 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: had torn achilles they all left the season early, not 782 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: early where they all ended the season in injury and 783 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: arguably will miss all of next season. And what I 784 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: was hopeful for in watching this series, I was looking 785 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: forward to seeing the next superstar stephen A, you know, 786 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: double down on Harry's Halliburn not being a superstar. I 787 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: think he was just being a contrarian. I do believe 788 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: that he is. 789 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 2: But I'm looking. 790 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: Across the landscape and I'm watching the face of the 791 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: league in Lebron and Steph Curry, even KD to some extent. 792 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: We're watching all of our superstars get ready to transition 793 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: into the twilight years of their career. Lebron still should 794 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: be in the twilight years of his career, but he 795 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: is just a machine and he is but still physically 796 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: looking like he's ready to go out there and give 797 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: you all the time he needs. But where are the 798 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: superstars next? Who's up next? 799 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 2: Is it Jason? Is it Tyresee? I don't know? Is 800 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 2: it ant don't? 801 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: Oh no, I've been asking that question because we have 802 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: been so spoiled in the NBA. We have been so 803 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: spoiled where we've always had a star, we just have 804 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: and when one star begins to fade, another rises and 805 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: answers the call. All subjective, all my opinion. I'll take 806 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: it back to the eighties when they finally took the 807 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: NBA Finals off of tape delay, the very first. 808 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 2: One that we loved. 809 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: We're looking at Magic Johnson and Larry Bird superstars, and 810 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: then there's another group of superstars coming right after them. 811 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: It was Isaiah Thomas going at Michael Jordan, then it 812 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: was Michael Jordan, then it was Kobe, then it was Lebron. 813 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: Where are we nowhere? Where are we now? Who is 814 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: the next superstar in the NBA. Some of you might say, SGA, 815 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: that's fine. I need a little more time to believe that, 816 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: because when you think of a cod Be, when you 817 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: think of a Lebron, when you think of a Michael 818 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: Jordan or Magic Johnson or even Larry Bird for that matter, 819 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal right, he had his time. 820 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: They were larger than life. 821 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: They fit the bill, they had the presence, they had 822 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: the game, they had the skill. 823 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know if we're quite there yet. I 824 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 2: don't know if we're quite there yet. 825 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: With this young class of people who are extremely talented. 826 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 2: So my question to you, and I need you guys 827 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: to help me out. 828 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm taking all suggestions, names, inquiries, context, and why who 829 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: is the next face of the league. It's a difference 830 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: between just being a superstar. We got plenty of superstars. 831 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: I just named a few, but who was going to 832 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: be that face? Who's going to wear that crown the 833 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: way Lebron wore the crown. I'm curious. Let me know 834 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: what you think. I'm Carrie Champion, and I approve this message. 835 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you all for listening. I hope 836 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: you enjoyed Rock the Bells. If you went, and if 837 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: you didn't go and you listened to this podcast, download 838 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: some Big Daddy kne get an education on some of 839 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: these pioneers of hip hop. Thanks for listening, y'all. I 840 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: will talk to y'all next week. Naked Sports written and 841 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: executive produced by me Kerry Champion, produced by Jocquiz Thomas, 842 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: sound designed and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. Naked Sports is 843 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: a part of the Black Effect podcast network in iHeartMedia.