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Speaker 2: Eric prides himself on being a connoisseur of arts and creativity,

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Speaker 3: I think I'm well read, I think I'm well spoken.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm well above average. It is important to

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Speaker 4: Welcome to No Dunks. I'm tas Mellis and with me

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Speaker 4: are a couple of your favorites, jay E Skeets and

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Speaker 4: the Man making the Magic Happen jd also with us,

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Speaker 4: writer for The Athletic and host of the Standing Room

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Speaker 4: Only podcast It's Ben Standing Ben, thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Guys, thank you so much for having me. And I

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Speaker 5: definitely appreciate the warning here that says you're on the show.

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Speaker 5: Everyone can see to hear you. I feel like it's

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Speaker 5: an important message this week, so I appreciate the reminder.

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Speaker 2: I'm pumped that people can actually see you all the

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Speaker 2: stream teamers because you are rocking a Grizzlies hat, like

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Speaker 2: I guess that's a Vancouver throwback Grizzlies hat.

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Speaker 5: It is, it is. I literally this may be one

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Speaker 5: of the first, first, or second time I've ever warned.

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Speaker 5: I was a big Steve Francis fan back in the day,

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Speaker 5: so I'm pretty sure that's where it came, and it

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Speaker 5: just lived in the closet. Didn't want to mess with it.

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Speaker 5: But I've been doing a lot of cleaning during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of bots has already checked some Canadian love.

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Speaker 4: We got a pun in the standing room only podcasts.

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Speaker 4: So those are a couple of reasons we wanted to

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Speaker 4: have you on. But the main reason was because you

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Speaker 4: talked to some NBA agents about everything basketball. Oh, and

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Speaker 4: they gave you the juice. We got some good stuff

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Speaker 4: from those guys. You and the athletics. Mike Borkinoff and

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Speaker 4: Michael Lee surveyed twenty NBA agents who are very connected

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Speaker 4: behind the scenes, but they rarely talk publicly. They discussed

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Speaker 4: some good stuff. A few of them why some of

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Speaker 4: them dislike Lebron James. Hello. Yeah, we'll be getting to that.

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Speaker 4: There's definitely a lot of love as well. That's great stuff.

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Speaker 4: We'll get to that. The big name players likely to

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Speaker 4: move this offseason and the franchises that need to shake

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Speaker 4: things up, the best gms in the NBA, why many

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Speaker 4: agents despised the draft process under these new conditions. And

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Speaker 4: the agent survey is on the Athletic now in two parts.

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Speaker 4: You could get access to the Athletic for a dollar

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Speaker 4: a month. Just wanted to remind you and me of

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Speaker 4: that because sometimes I go to the Athletic dot com

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Speaker 4: slash no dunks and think, oh, that deal's gone, there's

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Speaker 4: eight dollars to one dollar a month. That deal is

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Speaker 4: still happening. So go get that article. Ben. Let's start

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Speaker 4: with a fun one first question here, let's get to

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Speaker 4: the bubble. What is the strangest thing an agent had

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Speaker 5: I What can I say? What can I not say?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me let me let me think about this,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the items was a Bluetooth air freshener.

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Speaker 1: We didn't ask. We just sent stuff.

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Speaker 2: We said music, we sent gadgets on a weekly basis,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I know some guys definitely flexed in their answers

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Speaker 4: Trading Bradley Beal was a hot one. And you cover

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, we're definitely in this era right where

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Speaker 5: Do the Nets look at what just happened with Lebron

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Speaker 4: He's going to gel with John Wall coming back and

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Speaker 4: It didn't really work pre injury for John Wall and

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Speaker 4: but at this time, John Wall not doing himself any favors.

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Speaker 4: And I know you want to talk about this clip

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Speaker 4: because he was playing cards while being interviewed on television

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Speaker 4: And apparently he told Taylor Rooks afterwards he won that spades,

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Speaker 4: Oh it was worth it just for your information. Is

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Speaker 5: Well, let me step outside my reporter ad for a

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Speaker 5: John Wall era. Obviously it's hilarious that. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: can barely multitask in life on any level alone. I'm

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Speaker 5: being able to I guess sort of play it to

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Speaker 5: so I guess he wasn't really. Now, if I dial

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Speaker 5: it back to the wizard's perspective, I think it's in

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Speaker 5: the horrifying category, because the whole point of this thing

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Speaker 5: is he's longer a kid. I still think of him

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Speaker 5: as the kid who the first pick of the twenty

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Speaker 5: evolved and how he's gonna you know, he's still learning.

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Speaker 5: For years it was John and Bradley beal, wait until

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Speaker 5: we see what happens. They're still learning. He's now thirty.

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Speaker 5: This is no longer a kid who's figuring this out.

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Speaker 5: He should he should be have evolved into a leader.

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Speaker 5: And what is that? How are you what kind of

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Speaker 2: The agents hold Kevin Durant that at such a high

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Speaker 2: the Clippers make moves, even with Tyleru coming in there,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: Clutch Points was it.

433
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Speaker 2: Clutch Points had the great graphic where the Clippers like

434
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 2: players Lou Williams and Montres Harrow and these guys are saying, hey,

435
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 2: athletic writers, Hey, hey booja, hey, Joe Varden, you don't

436
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 2: know stuff, and there's like a hilarious like battle like

437
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna fight or something.

438
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 4: Image looks like a heavyweight in there. Yeah I know.

439
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I get that they're like, come on, it's

440
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 2: not that bad. But it does seem like there was

441
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 2: like this sort of like, uh, you know, fracture between

442
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 2: the older guys, the older Clippers if you want to

443
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 2: call them that, and then these new superstars in Kawhi

444
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 2: and Paul George coming in there.

445
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Speaker 1: In the preferential treatment.

446
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 2: That they got there, it seems like there was something there,

447
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 2: and of course that it reared its ugly head when

448
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 2: they lost giving up the three one lead to the Nuggets.

449
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Speaker 2: So there'll be a fun team to watch see if

450
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Speaker 2: anything happens. But I will bet money on kwhy not

451
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: being traded. I'm gonna say that one agent is wishful

452
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 2: thinking there. Maybe maybe I'm wrong.

453
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Speaker 4: Amongst our fans, there's a lot of Paul George could

454
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Speaker 4: be moved, and there's a lot of a trade machine

455
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 4: work with Paul George. But even I see those emails

456
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 4: and we have a mail bag show and I say, uhh,

457
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 4: delete because they have, as you said, bet they've moved

458
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 4: heaven and earth to get these two guys on the roster.

459
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 4: They're giving them two years. It would be such a

460
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Speaker 4: downgrade to trade Paul George for whatever, a complimentary package

461
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 4: that would look more like they were last year when

462
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Speaker 4: they gave the Warriors a six game run in the

463
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 4: first round, a bunch of complimentary parts like that. I

464
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 4: understand Paul George not playing to his capabilities, but you're

465
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Speaker 4: giving it another Yeah, why the heck it doesn't. It

466
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,679
Speaker 4: doesn't really make sense. This team is going for a championship,

467
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 4: so it wouldn't really make sense to trade that type

468
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Speaker 4: of package for that type of package.

469
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Speaker 5: And also by dumping Doc Rivers, I mean that was

470
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Speaker 5: effectively Okay, we played the big move, right or wrong.

471
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 5: They've made that move. Now they're going to see what

472
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 5: you know, what this new book that it can do

473
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Speaker 5: for them, I would imagine right.

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Speaker 4: And I recommend people go read some of these agents opinions,

475
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Speaker 4: even if it's just for the shock and of some

476
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Speaker 4: of it, because there's a few. One agent on Damar DeRozan,

477
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 4: he said, quote Damar doesn't like san Antonio and doesn't

478
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 4: want to be there. Another agent on Fred Van Vliet,

479
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 4: who is a free agent this offseason, if he doesn't

480
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 4: get money from Toronto, might get it from Detroit where

481
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 4: he would be a number one or number two guy.

482
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Speaker 4: And another agent said the Nuggets are overloaded with talent,

483
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Speaker 4: need to go after star Bradley Beal or Drew Holliday

484
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 4: are possible. So lots of juice there. And after all

485
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Speaker 4: your chats, do you think there's another team out there

486
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Speaker 4: which will most definitely it's an imminent move that they're

487
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Speaker 4: going to make a significant offseason deal.

488
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Speaker 5: I mean Portland to me is one that it does

489
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Speaker 5: feel and this was mentioned in the survey. Some people

490
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,239
Speaker 5: side of them, it just feels like they do need

491
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Speaker 5: to do something. I couldn't be for somebody who doesn't.

492
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Speaker 5: I don't root for the Blazers. I don't care. I've

493
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Speaker 5: never been to Portland, didn't even why. Oh wow, is

494
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 5: it's an omission. It's not a it's not a statement.

495
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 5: I just haven't it's on the list. But like I'm

496
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 5: all in on Damian Lillard. Wow, I mean, he is

497
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 5: just unbelievable. It's not just that he makes the shots

498
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 5: from you know, forty feet and he's waving, waving the

499
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 5: teams off the court. It's just big games, big moments.

500
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 5: The guy shows up, and I mean, who doesn't like that?

501
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 5: But it's obvious they can as constructed, They're only going

502
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 5: to get so far. You know. It's funny again, not

503
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 5: to go back to the Wizard's talk, but for a

504
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Speaker 5: while we had the John wall Beile versus Lillard and

505
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Speaker 5: McCollum at least that was a discussion in my in

506
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Speaker 5: my house at various points over this last few years.

507
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Speaker 5: And we kind of see how both of those groups

508
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 5: can only get you so far or only have gotten

509
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Speaker 5: you so far. And in this case, Lillard is clearly

510
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Speaker 5: one of the you know, pick your number of ten

511
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 5: best players in the league. He can make the plays

512
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Speaker 5: at the end of the game. You need to win

513
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 5: the title, but they need more. So I don't know

514
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Speaker 5: if that's trading CJ. McCollum to get through some things,

515
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 5: we're making some only move elsehere, but they definitely need

516
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 5: to do something. And you know, look, Lillard's got you know,

517
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 5: he's not he's not getting old or anything, but time

518
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 5: is you know, it's it's getting there. This isn't the

519
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 5: prime of his career. Do something, And I feel like

520
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 5: they're a team that that could, if not should do something.

521
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, go two years prior. I mean we talked

522
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: about it as Raptors fans all the time. DeRozan and

523
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: Lowry was the same thing. It was like, you win

524
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Speaker 2: a lot of regular season games, you can win a

525
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: playoff series or two. Are you gonna win a title

526
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: with these two guys as your as your main guys?

527
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Speaker 1: The answer was no.

528
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: And you know they got a little lucky and we

529
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: got MESSI Jerry. As Raps fans, I mean pulling off

530
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: the maybe the move of the move of the franchise

531
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Speaker 2: for sure, and getting Kawai on a one year rental

532
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: and it ends up winning him a championship.

533
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're I'm with you on that.

534
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Speaker 2: I thought the Portland responses from some of these agents

535
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Speaker 2: was again a little like, oh wow, that's a team

536
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Speaker 2: I hadn't really thought of.

537
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Speaker 1: They are a good team.

538
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: But I'm sure Damian Lillard and all these guys the

539
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: entire franchise, they have a goal to win a title.

540
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: Can you do it how they're currently reconstructed?

541
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

542
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: I'm sort of with you, but you can sure get

543
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Speaker 2: some nice pieces or another big name to pair with

544
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Speaker 2: Lillard if you are open to trading, you know, a

545
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: McCollum or Exact Collins or whoever it is. So yeah,

546
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: that's that was a fascinating one for sure.

547
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Speaker 5: And I would just add to this, we talk about

548
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 5: the best players in the league. Whatever that list is,

549
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 5: I think there's a separate list, and that list is

550
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: in the last five minutes of a game seven type situation,

551
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 5: who can win you the game. I don't think that

552
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 5: list is that long, and Damian Lillard is definitely on it,

553
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 5: and because of that, you need to take advantage of

554
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 5: that opportunity. There's some other guys we might say, or

555
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 5: top ten players that I don't feel comfortable saying they

556
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 5: can win you the title in the end, you can,

557
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 5: and that's why you have. This is not just taking

558
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 5: advantage of a really good player. This is taking advantage

559
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 5: of a title opportunity if you get the right things

560
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Speaker 5: around them.

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Speaker 4: We got to take a quick break, but we'll be

562
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Speaker 4: right back with more from Ben's standing, including Lebron hate

563
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Speaker 4: what all right? Well, speaking of great players, you're going

564
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: to create some headlines around Lebron James. Here Ben what

565
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: the agents had to say about Bron, because there was

566
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Speaker 4: some hate for Lebron James and that seems a little

567
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: unfathomable us sitting here watching Lebron and what he's done. Now,

568
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 4: there's definitely some love for Lebron, about his public school

569
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: in Ohio, what he's done for children there. One agent

570
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: called him the greatest philanthropic athlete since Muhammad Ali. Lots

571
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: of good compliments, many discusses near goat status, but that's

572
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: not going to create the headlines. It's going to get

573
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 4: the juice going. Is some of the vitriol. One agent said,

574
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: quote transcendent talent, but an over choreographed public image and

575
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 4: off the court persona too obviously rehearsed and planned, not

576
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 4: genuine and obsession with creating a legacy instead of letting

577
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: the legacy create itself. Okay, one person maybe spewing some

578
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 4: hey uh uh, next agent, terrific player, but an insatiable ego.

579
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 4: Whoa next one? There's another one. When I'm not talking

580
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: shit about him, I talk about what he does for

581
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: people and his people, all right, So a bit of

582
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: a backhanded compliment. But in general, Lebron James, was it

583
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: more vitrial or love for this obviously polarizing player in

584
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 4: the minds of agents? What did you take from talking

585
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 4: to them?

586
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 5: Yeah? And so this is another question, Like I thought

587
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: we had to have a Lebron James center question in

588
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 5: this survey because he is. Love or hate him? He is.

589
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 5: He is the NBA has been for the last you know,

590
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: op teen years, and people have lots of thoughts, and

591
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: so the question was simply this. It wasn't you know,

592
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: all these other ones were you know, thought out, how

593
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 5: we phrased something. This was simply Lebron James thoughts and

594
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 5: go from there. And this one people didn't you know? Again,

595
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: for better or for worse? If I had to add

596
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 5: it up, I suspect there was more positive than negative.

597
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 5: But the split is it wasn't fifty to fifty, but

598
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 5: it was closer to the middle than maybe some would think,

599
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 5: just based on if you list his accomplishments both on

600
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Speaker 5: and off the court, and you know, you mentioned some

601
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: of the ones about sort of the choreographed image. I

602
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 5: think that's something I've heard a lot about over the years,

603
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 5: for sure, people who've been around the team. And you know, look,

604
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 5: I have my own thoughts on some of these things

605
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 5: as well, starting going all the way back to you know,

606
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 5: you know, the wor all witnesses King James, the nickname

607
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 5: even of itself, and just starting from there, you know,

608
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: the we all have thoughts on the decision. Again, regardless

609
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: of how that unfolded, it was an attempt to create

610
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 5: and you know, to to to do something with his image.

611
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 5: U there as well, So I understand to some degree

612
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 5: why some of these agents feel this way. Also, look,

613
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 5: let's be clear, Uh these agents are competing. Uh they

614
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 5: have players who are competing against Lebron. They also are

615
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 5: agents competing against Clutch Sports, which is effectively you know,

616
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what the legal documents say

617
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 5: about who's the owner and this, that and the other,

618
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: but the reality is of, at least on the perception level,

619
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 5: is that it's Lebron's agency at least with Rich Paul,

620
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 5: and they're therefore competing with Lebron. So obviously that's got

621
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 5: a factor into how some of these agents feel about

622
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: about him, not just as the as a player or

623
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 5: or a person, but as a as a rival on

624
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 5: some level in the in their world. So that can't

625
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 5: be ignored when you see some of these people kind

626
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 5: of kind of kind of try to take him down

627
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: a little bit.

628
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's exactly it.

629
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Speaker 2: And there's a lot in the article about that, you know,

630
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: quoting here again, this is anonymous agent. Lebron has leveraged

631
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: his popularity with young players for seducing them for Clutch,

632
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, the agency Rich Paul, and it's not serving

633
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: all the players well, but for the players that are suffering,

634
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: there are no repercussions. So there's this idea of like

635
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: it's Lebron, these young guys love them.

636
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 5: You know.

637
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: It's similar to like obviously a ton of players when

638
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: MJ was getting up there in years and was the

639
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: goat and had all the rings.

640
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: They're just wooed by the you know, Lebron.

641
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: I could be on the same agency, Clutch Sports. But

642
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: then some of these agents, again rivals competitors, are saying

643
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: they're actually hurting some of these guys because they're just

644
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: then completely lost in the shuffle. Now there are again

645
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Speaker 2: these agents that are saying there are like, hey, come

646
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: to us, come to me, you know, we'll take care

647
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: of you. But I thought this was that this part

648
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: was fascinating and just even some of them saying like

649
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: should this even be legal?

650
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: I think someone was quoted as.

651
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: Saying, if Rich Paul were a lawyer, he'd have been

652
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: disbarred five times, disbarred five times because you know, Lebron

653
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: is so powerful though there's no accountability. This is a fascinating,

654
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: juicy part here again on some of these agents saying,

655
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 2: I don't know what with Lebron and Clutch and Rich

656
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Paul what they're doing here, whether or this is is

657
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: fair game?

658
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Really is what they're getting at.

659
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there were some names named as well that

660
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: the mismanagement by Rich Paul costs players like Nerleans, Noel Norriskole,

661
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: and Shabbaz Napier millions of dollars, just to name a few,

662
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: because in this agent's eyes, Rich Paul couldn't service all

663
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: of those players. He just didn't have the capacity to

664
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Speaker 4: service all of them. So I wonder, with this on

665
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Speaker 4: the record, Ben, do you think the MVPA evaluates clutch

666
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: sports and looks at it to determine if players are

667
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: being represented properly. Was there a feeling that there's merit

668
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: to this argument.

669
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Speaker 5: It's a good question. Obviously this topic has come up

670
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: before to some degree. I don't know if we've heard

671
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 5: it though from like you said, another agent again off

672
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: the record, but you know, regardless, I will just say this,

673
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 5: I have done these agent surveys before on the NFL side,

674
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: which is primarily my focus with the athletic and I

675
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: of those prime essentially by myself. So I read I

676
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 5: knew everything was going to the article in advance, this one.

677
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: I did it, you know, with Mike vorkanoff our Knicks

678
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 5: writer and Michael Lee, who was one of our NBA

679
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: writers before he just moved on, and so I didn't

680
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: see what they wrote. So when I so, I didn't

681
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 5: have this particular answer about clutch sports, and so reading

682
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 5: it like anybody else was reading this article and I

683
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 5: hope people do, I was like, WHOA, WHOA? This is

684
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 5: pretty This is pretty It is pretty wild to see

685
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: somebody to say this. I, like I said, I suspect

686
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: that the you know, the the the that side is

687
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 5: going to look into agents, that they've done that to

688
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 5: some degree. Obviously, as I said before, I don't know

689
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: what the legal documents for Clutch Sports say about who

690
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 5: owns what, but the perception is that Lebron is a

691
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 5: major factor. You know, one thing about Lebron the player.

692
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 5: You hear Paul Pierce talk about this a lot, that

693
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 5: players in Paul Pierce's day were not afraid of Lebron,

694
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: that they didn't get bullied by the bully. Lebron is

695
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 5: the older guy now, and obviously all these younger players

696
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 5: that quote that was I'm sure for most of them

697
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 5: their guy. It's especially sadly with you know, Kobe Bryant,

698
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: you know, passed away. I can't even still think that

699
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 5: happened this year. But Lebron is the is the guy

700
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 5: Tony of these guys gravitate towards the idea that he

701
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: would be interested in you. I'm sure on the court

702
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: makes you maybe not go all all that hard at

703
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: him simultaneously if he's interested in you. From this perspective. Wait,

704
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: Lebron James wants he wants his agency to represent me.

705
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: That's pretty That's got to be pretty heavy stuff for

706
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: a young player coming into the league or or or

707
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: a younger veteran. So I can imagine that that does happen,

708
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 5: and I can imagine why these agents are not thrilled,

709
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 5: especially when they're losing clients to to to to that.

710
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean it's it's really interesting, and you

711
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 5: would hope, like I said, that somebody has looked into

712
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: this to what degree. But at the same point, you know,

713
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: it's it's like talking about free agency, right, Teams can't

714
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: recruit players, but the players can recruit players. I don't

715
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 5: know where the line is of, Hey, Lebron, I don't

716
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: technically own clutch sports, but if you want to come

717
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 5: over and hang out with me anyway.

718
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah you can.

719
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: Also, Like I think a lot of people are going

720
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: to read this article and the NBA Agent survey and

721
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: also read that and go, yeah, you're just jealous because

722
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: Lebron's not only winning, you know, on the court, he's

723
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: winning off the court. Now his agency is you know,

724
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: doing better than yours, let's say, or taking your guys

725
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: and like, okay, you're throwing out Neurlin's noel and like,

726
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, Jabaz Napier, whoever, You're sorry you were throwing

727
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: out their tasks.

728
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: I forget. Off the top of my head, was a

729
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: Mohammed sha bought Muhammed I can't remember, multiple champion. Yeah,

730
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: but people are going to read that. Give me a break.

731
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you really think Rich Paul in Clutch

732
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Sports and by extension Lebron is like burying those guys career.

733
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: People are gonna be like, come on, it's a there's

734
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: other factors at play here. Maybe they're not that great

735
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: is what happened. So because then you could look at

736
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Contavious Caldwell Pope and go a lot of people man Lebron.

737
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: If anything, Rich Paul and Clutch Sports made that guy

738
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Now he backed it up in

739
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: the finals. Don't get me wrong, but I think people

740
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: are a little shocked with that, what he got and

741
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: what he had done up to that point in his career.

742
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: And maybe that was again a little Lebron bump. So

743
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's like probably gonna come down to

744
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: how you ultimately feel about Lebron as you head into

745
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: this article of.

746
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, that's not fair. He shouldn't be able

747
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: to do that or give me a.

748
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: Break, you know, anonymous agents, like he's just beaten you

749
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: again off the court, just like he does on that's

750
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: my personal opinion.

751
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 4: On right, Yeah, it's case by case because yeah, Nerleans

752
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: Dowell turned down four for eighty and this agent tends

753
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: to be putting that on the shoulders of Rich Paul. Hey,

754
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: you mess that one up. Okay, agents definitely mess things up,

755
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: But you're right in that they're in competition with Lebron

756
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: and that's I find that interesting, going back to hey,

757
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: he's got this well tailored public image and it's or

758
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 4: over choreographed. I understand if you're in competition with him

759
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: and he controls the media to some degree, how you

760
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: might feel that way. But as a fan for us,

761
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: who you know, Ben, and you're much more in the

762
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: media than we are as far as writing goes, So

763
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: I think we're a little bit step back from that,

764
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: and we understand that the best of the best choreograph

765
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: of their image, if we're talking goat status. Michael Jordan

766
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: had his image tailored to a T and and Bron

767
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: is in that realm, And I understand if you're an agent,

768
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: you might be a little furious, you might be a

769
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: little angry with how things have gone. But from our perspective,

770
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: I think the philanthropic the endeavors weigh a little bit

771
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: more and what he's done on the floor weigh a

772
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: little bit more. But even as you said, a lot

773
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: of love from the agents in that regard, right, Yeah, there.

774
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 5: Was, yeah, absolutely, I mean, whether choreographed or not, he's

775
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 5: raised a lot of money for various organizations and charities.

776
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: He's obviously done good for the community from from his

777
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: native Ohio and elsewhere. So there's a lot to like

778
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: regardless of how how it got there. That there's a lot.

779
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 5: There's a lot that he's done that that's that that's

780
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 5: been great and beneficial. Obviously, even just in this election year,

781
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 5: you know, just the way he has spoke out on

782
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: numerous topics, including Black Lives matter, Obviously, it goes a

783
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 5: long way towards helping people in these causes. So there's

784
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: a lot to like it. Like I said, even those

785
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 5: as he said, even those who were kind of crapping

786
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: on him a bit simultaneously gave him respect for some

787
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 5: of the things that he's done. But look, and I

788
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 5: would probably just add this at a very basic level,

789
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 5: power is a power is a thing, and if those

790
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 5: who have it keep it flaunted and do what they

791
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 5: can with it, and those who don't or want more

792
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: take shots at those that have it. And obviously nobody

793
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 5: has more power than Lebron. I mean, we mentioned the

794
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 5: contavious calledwell Pope, right basically he was on the Lakers

795
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 5: the last couple of years because Lebron was there, right

796
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 5: at least it felt that way that that they basically

797
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 5: said to the Lakers, hey, you have to keep bringing

798
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 5: this guy back because he's on our books. Obviously, ironically

799
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 5: then it worked out well for them for this title run.

800
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 5: But you know, having a lot of having a lot

801
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: of power influences you know, even these agents who have

802
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 5: other clients, it influences it because either of Lebron is

803
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 5: you know, they want whatever he's he's blocking them. Perhaps

804
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 5: in some other ways they want to get their guys

805
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 5: to some team and maybe something Lebron is doing or

806
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 5: Clutch is doing is influencing that for better or for worse.

807
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean it's just a fun dynamic to

808
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: see and to get a feel for how these other

809
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 5: people view it. We always typically hear from the Lebron

810
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: side of things. To hear from the other side of

811
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 5: how people view him, certainly was what was pretty fun.

812
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. He actually mentioned black lives matter there, Ben,

813
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: And that was a part that caught me by surprise

814
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: in this article. In the survey, it was the question

815
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: was about thoughts on how the NBA handled the bubble

816
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: and COVID nineteen and all that, and one agent, you know, said, yeah,

817
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: they did a great job putting the bubble together, but

818
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: they completely quote I'm quoting them here, they completely shit

819
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: the bed with all this nonsense. They really hurt the business,

820
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: all of this Black Lives Matter stuff. I think that

821
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: the players are being manipulated into something that they don't

822
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: really understand, and I think it's a horrible look for

823
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: the league. And honestly, this agent went sort of on

824
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: and on and on here. That was like a little

825
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: eye opening.

826
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 5: Now.

827
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if this was an age you spoke

828
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: to or one of the other one of the other

829
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: mics I guess spoke to, But were you if you

830
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: did talk to them or didn't. Just a shock from

831
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: a while seeing that like an agent. Again it's off record,

832
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: I get, but still sharing that with one of you

833
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: guys and saying it go ahead and you know it's anonymous,

834
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: throw it in. That was a little surprising to me.

835
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mentioned before that I do. I've done

836
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: this now a couple of times. On the NFL side,

837
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 5: I always think if you put these sports leagues in

838
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 5: the political spectrum, the NBA comes off as by far

839
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 5: the more most liberal of the foreman sports. The NFL

840
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 5: it is a little more middle ground to some degree.

841
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 5: It's least in terms of I should say not not

842
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 5: necessarily in terms of the players, although even the players

843
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 5: it's a little more split, but like this in terms

844
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: of just the overall thinking of a league. So I

845
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 5: had some agents when I did this survey. On the

846
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: NFL side, it was earlier in the pandemic. It was

847
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 5: right around the time of it was after George Floyd's

848
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 5: death in Minnesota, but still things were much much fresher

849
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 5: at that point, and you had more people pushing back

850
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 5: on the idea of black Lives Matter and what it's doing.

851
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: To the lead the NBA side, I think we only

852
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 5: had the one voice that that said that, but in

853
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: the NBA, to hear anybody sort of go that way

854
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: is interesting because it's not a voice you've heard much

855
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: at all, that dissenting voice to to the move to

856
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 5: the Black Lives Matter, Yeah movement, And ultimately it is

857
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: just one. As like I said, I have we interviewed

858
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 5: twenty people. I believe that was the only one who answered.

859
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if everybody answered that question per se,

860
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 5: but it was just that one. So yes, look, this

861
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: is what people are gonna have differences of opinion. He

862
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 5: obviously did, and and I'm sure one of the big

863
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: questions is going to come out of this bubble and

864
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 5: when people look at the ratings in the NBA. I

865
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 5: know ratings were down across sports in general, but you know,

866
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: for the NBA specifically, how much did politics factor in

867
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 5: to that decline and ratings. This person seems to think

868
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 5: that it had had a factor for sure, And you know,

869
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 5: that'll be an interesting autops scen as we go forward here,

870
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 5: is to figure out what the impact was could have

871
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: been for the better obviously, you know, as more and

872
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 5: more attention was was brought to to that and to

873
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: other and to other matter, other social matter, so interesting

874
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: for sure, And like I said, I guess it's just

875
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: one voice, but a loud voice because of you know,

876
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 5: because of the situation and uh, you know, interesting to

877
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: hear somebody in the NBA world criticize the league for

878
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: that aspect.

879
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

880
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I was completely shocked, and you just your

881
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: your mind immediately goes to, like, what are the uh

882
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: you know, the the players.

883
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: Of this agent think of this response or they all aligned?

884
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Are they not?

885
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you just see It's like you're right,

886
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: I think maybe it is jarring for me because like

887
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: you wrapped it up there, well, it's like you do

888
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: think of this league and it is it's it's quite liberal.

889
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: It's obviously it. I think they could have done even more, of.

890
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: Course, but did did embrace you know, some sort of

891
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: social justice message? And again, could they have done more?

892
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Yes?

893
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: And that was even you know a little bit of

894
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: a head button between players of the players association in

895
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: the league itself. But you also get it is a

896
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: business all this, but wow, when you see like someone

897
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: sort of going off script I guess, or just shocking

898
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: you like that, it's like, wow, they really think that

899
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: that this killed the ratings and that they this is

900
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: a bad look for the league. Surprising to say the least,

901
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: but you're right, just one of the twenty. The other

902
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: only other one I can think of was like they said,

903
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: like from a business standpoint ten out of ten in

904
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: terms of running the bubble. From a social justice perspective,

905
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: it left something to be desired, was as far as

906
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: that other agent would sort of go. So maybe they

907
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: could thought they could do more. But then they even

908
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: said still a lot better than all these other leagues,

909
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: at least in terms of like trying to tell encourage

910
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: people to vote, obviously opening all these arenas and you know,

911
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: the messages on the back of the jerseys and stuff.

912
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: So anyway, I thought, I thought that was I think

913
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: that will get some people buzzing a little bit too,

914
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: because again I think it's just so out of left

915
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: field really for the league in general.

916
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: By and large, these agents were overwhelming supportive and appreciated

917
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 5: what the NBA pulled off here across the board, I mean,

918
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 5: and not just that they didn't. The NBA was out

919
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 5: front of so many leagues in terms of how they're

920
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: going to how they're going to do this, the idea

921
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 5: of the bubbles, you know, about a bubble in March

922
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 5: who are like, what what is this going to do?

923
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 5: And so having people would buy and ark overwhelmingly appreciative

924
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 5: of what Adam Silver and everybody could do. But yeah,

925
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: there are a couple of voices that were like, yeah,

926
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 5: I got a different thought here.

927
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's good to hear that from agents. Not

928
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: because it's I don't agree with the sentiment that Black

929
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: Lives Matter caused a lot of people to turn off

930
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 4: their televisions, but just hearing from these people that you

931
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: don't often hear from was very interesting. And by and large,

932
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: there is a subsection of people that think that I

933
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: think that Black Lives Matter caused people to turn off

934
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 4: their televisions. But there was another Ben ben Strouss, who

935
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: wrote for The Washington Post an article detailing if Republicans

936
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 4: have stopped watching basketball, if that was the reason over

937
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: the last six months, And that article in the Washington

938
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 4: Post breaks it down as not really if you watch

939
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: basketball before, you still watch basketball now. And it is

940
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 4: just I think that easiest to say if you're a fan.

941
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: It's just like the first thing that stands out in

942
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: people's minds, black Lives Matter is right on the court.

943
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: So it's the first connection. It's not really there's not

944
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: really much nuance or thought going into your analysis of

945
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: why ratings are down. And as you said, ratings are

946
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 4: down everywhere. Essentially, even the beloved NFL that you cover

947
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: is struggling a little bit here in the regular season

948
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: when the regular season is also matching their standard calendar.

949
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Any thoughts on the NFL, since we're talking little NFL

950
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: NFL ratings, NFL season going, well, there's a lot of

951
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 4: COVID cases that are happening throughout at the NFL teams

952
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: right now.

953
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 5: There are there are, I mean I think that's you

954
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 5: know that they were getting by the first few weeks.

955
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 5: Now all of a sudden things are starting to ramp up.

956
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 5: They've had so they had the one big outbreak in Tennessee.

957
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: They had to reschedule a couple of things here and there.

958
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: But at the moment, it's still still hanging in there.

959
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: The team I cover here in Washington, knock On Wood,

960
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 5: has not had any has not had any issues yet.

961
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: And yeah, the ratings I think are down a little bit,

962
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 5: but I don't think it's that dramatic. You know, it's interesting. Look, look,

963
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 5: I'm as big of a sports fan as anybody, or

964
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 5: at least I certainly have been for the most of

965
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 5: my life. I wasn't that excited to watch sports. I

966
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 5: didn't need it. I wasn't one of those people desperately

967
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: in need for sports to return. I understand the importance

968
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 5: of it. I mean, my job alone, it's kind of

969
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: a thing for me to be able to have something

970
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 5: to do, so my boss has decided they should keep

971
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 5: me around. But like you know, there's a lot else

972
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 5: going on right now in this world. So I wasn't going, Wow,

973
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 5: I have to get this, and I suspect a lot

974
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 5: of people felt that way. Plus, I mean the amount

975
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 5: of sports happening simultaneously. Like the other day, the French

976
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 5: Open semifinals were happening, the Dolla Djokovic weren't it and

977
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: I would be watching it. I didn't even know. I

978
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 5: forgot it was even happening. Right until I saw that

979
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 5: they were in the semifinals. I was like, oh, I mean,

980
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 5: the Triple Crown apparently has gone on here in the

981
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 5: last month or so. No, no earthly idea. I mean

982
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 5: even the World Series, you know, Game one was yesterday.

983
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: I barely have watched in part because the team I

984
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 5: cover here is keeping me busy. But there's just too

985
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: much happening, both all at the same time, and also,

986
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: like I said, the world itself. So I get why

987
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 5: ratings are down, I think, without even having to go

988
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 5: into too many details. But yes, I mean, I think

989
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: I made a good point. If people want to say

990
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 5: why I didn't watch the NBA, and there may be

991
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 5: not an all in fan anyway, it's an easy thing

992
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: to point to about over politalization. I think our colleague

993
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: Richard Ditch made the point when he said the Triple

994
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 5: Crown ratings were down it must be because the horses

995
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: were overly pulled on the cord. Sometimes it's just it's

996
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: not that complicated. You don't have to sort of try

997
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 5: to find an excuse. There was a lot going on.

998
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on now and there has been

999
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 5: for the all year.

1000
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: The ratings were down for the Kentucky Derby. That is crazy.

1001
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 4: There's so many sports. You're totally right. I was scrolling

1002
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: through an app, just scrolling for that day's sports a

1003
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: couple of days ago. I think I was scrolling for

1004
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: like three minutes. There are soccer leagues in Mexico going

1005
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: on right now, and obviously everywhere there's a lot of

1006
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: sports going on. You could watch sports, remember, and you

1007
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: talked about the NFL. We know John wall is watching.

1008
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: At least, as we saw a little bit earlier in

1009
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: the show, John wall is still getting in on the

1010
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 4: Washington football team. How do you feel about the Washington

1011
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: football team not coming up with the name?

1012
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on with that? Are they ever gonna

1013
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: name this team?

1014
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: But the hardest part is having to write because, like

1015
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not saying the football team. It just

1016
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 5: sounds like something. It sounds like with the team, the

1017
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 5: name of the team, like a Charlie Brown cartoon or

1018
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: something like. It's it's so insanely generously. I just use

1019
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: Washington over and over and over again, and it looks ridiculous.

1020
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 5: You know what. I'm fine. I'm actually happy that they

1021
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 5: haven't renamed it. Let it go intil the offseason. There's

1022
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: been too much going on with this team since like

1023
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 5: the start of July. The amount of topics I've had

1024
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 5: to deal with that are beyond just like who's the quarterback?

1025
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: Is crazy. So I'm happy that they're kicking this can

1026
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: down the road, get into next year. It is weird

1027
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 5: that it happened. I mean, I understand why they finally

1028
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 5: felt pressured into making the name change. I don't that

1029
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: they came up before they came up with you know,

1030
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's it's kind of I mean, the

1031
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 5: football team. It's necessarily, but I'll be honest, some people

1032
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 5: are out here are digging it. It is because it

1033
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 5: is sort of oddly classic, really weird. I think people

1034
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 5: might prefer Football Club because that sounds more like a

1035
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 5: you know, like a soccer team. But you know whatever,

1036
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: it's there's some momentum to keep football team. I don't

1037
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: know if that's gonna happen, though, We'll.

1038
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: Be who you cheered for the big game. I like

1039
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: the football team, Go football team.

1040
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: I love it.

1041
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I think they should keep it.

1042
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 5: I'm all in on it. All right.

1043
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: We got a few more questions here with this survey.

1044
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, we should get back to basketball here for a second. Ben, Well,

1045
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 4: we've got a few more questions and we'll let you go.

1046
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: But as far as the draft goes, the draft is

1047
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: happening next month. It's like you you talked about there

1048
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 4: with the World Series and tennis, it's crazy. The draft

1049
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: is coming. It seems like it's coming out of nowhere.

1050
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: And these agents you talk to, not only do they

1051
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 4: have NBA players as of their clients, but also perspective

1052
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: draft prospects and they're getting them ready for this draft day.

1053
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: But it's been a lot different because of the bubble

1054
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 4: and everything going virtual in general. Why did agents dislike

1055
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: the process that they've had to go through so much

1056
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: these last few months?

1057
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 5: Right? So I think we can like sort of appreciate

1058
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 5: that for the prospects, you don't get the workout with

1059
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 5: in front of teams right during this and the way

1060
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 5: you normally would those workouts were always you know, will

1061
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 5: always love these reports. Oh so and so killed it

1062
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 5: in this workout and going up against that person or

1063
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: whatever it may be, Wow, this team just fell in love.

1064
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 5: Well that's not happening. This is all it's now being

1065
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 5: done essentially all virtual. But the interesting part from the

1066
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 5: agent perspective is that this doesn't get discussed normally is

1067
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 5: a cost because what happens is when these players leave school,

1068
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 5: the agents, especially when you're talking about the higher profile prospects,

1069
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: they are fronting the bill for these guys in a

1070
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 5: lot of ways. On training, on housing, food, sometimes travel,

1071
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: depending on the situation. That's a normal process of like

1072
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 5: the college basketball season, let's just say ended in March

1073
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 5: or the beginning of April, depending on the on the

1074
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 5: player and the college team, and then it goes to

1075
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: the end of June for the draft. You know, the

1076
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: college season got ended at the beginning of March. Like

1077
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: everything else. Some guys started declaring early, and now we're

1078
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: in October. This draft is still not happening. Agents have

1079
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 5: had to be for when they got some of these

1080
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 5: clients have had to pay for these guys for a

1081
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 5: much longer and for some agents that is a it's

1082
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 5: a it's not a win win situation even up front

1083
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 5: normally because of this, you know, the cost, but like

1084
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 5: it's just you know, I wouldn't say it's a lost leader.

1085
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 5: But at the same point, it's like, Okay, we want

1086
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 5: these clients. This is what we're doing. We're thinking ahead

1087
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 5: to the next contract and what other clients we can

1088
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: get from this and so on. But in this case,

1089
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: they've had to hold on to these guys for months,

1090
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 5: and for some agents and some agencies it was a

1091
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 5: massive financial burden. So it really is. And also there's

1092
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 5: this unknown, right. I mean, we sort of have a

1093
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 5: sense now when this draft is going to be, but

1094
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: for months, nobody had a clue what was going to happen.

1095
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: And that makes for such a crazy dynamic. How do

1096
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 5: you keep your guy uh in shape physically and mentally?

1097
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: How do you again, how do you know what you

1098
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 5: should be doing for them, what should be spending money

1099
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 5: on without knowing what the end day it is. So

1100
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 5: it really made for some challenging decisions and uh and

1101
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 5: and and financial circumstances for some of these people.

1102
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: That is one thing I never thought about agents house

1103
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: workout and feed players for months after the college basketball

1104
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 4: season is done.

1105
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: That just it just never.

1106
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 4: Occurred to me that they're basically going through, you know,

1107
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 4: months of workouts. So it turns from two months, as

1108
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: you said, to six months. And there was no NCAA

1109
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: tournament as well, so you know that, you know, cut

1110
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 4: off a chunk of time. I never thought of that. So,

1111
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 4: as you said, there weren't any workouts, right, there's there's

1112
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: no workouts done in person. I needed to confirm this

1113
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: because of a personal story. So no workouts, right, that's.

1114
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 5: My impression that everything is being done virtually. I think

1115
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 5: they're having some type of you know, group virtual workouts,

1116
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 5: but I have bos haven't followed this aspect that close

1117
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 5: to be. I don't think nobody's traveling to New York

1118
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 5: to work out directly in front of the Knicks or

1119
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 5: anything like that. Yeah.

1120
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: See, I bring that up because the Israeli prospect who

1121
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: might go four or five six, Denny of Dea, was

1122
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: shown to me on Facebook by my in laws. My

1123
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: in laws are Israeli, just like Denny of Dea, and

1124
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 4: my mother in law said, did you see Denny of

1125
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: Dea is at Krema Cafe in Sandy Springs, Georgia, which

1126
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 4: is just outside of Atlanta. And immediately I thought he's

1127
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 4: probably working out for the Hawks, who have a high

1128
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: draft pick. But then thinking about it, they're not working

1129
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: Is he just visiting family here in Atlanta, Georgia. So

1130
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to have a conversation with them

1131
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: that he was probably just visiting. But it is strange

1132
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: when when you think about how they're how they're going

1133
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 4: to evaluate players.

1134
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 5: I mean, he could be working out with one of

1135
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 5: these you know, skills coaches something something like that. But yeah,

1136
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 5: he's an interesting prospect. I'm kind of waiting to dive

1137
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 5: into the YouTube as a member of the tribe. I'm

1138
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 5: interested in with this guy, what what he can do?

1139
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, it was kind of you know, if

1140
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 5: you're going to make me sort of gauge a guy

1141
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 5: wouldn't mind washing and taking with the ninth pick. I

1142
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 5: was like, oh, wait, can he uh can slip? Can he?

1143
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 5: Can he slip a little bit that?

1144
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 4: I'll take that for what it's worth. My father in

1145
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: law thinks he shouldn't come over. He's too young. He's nineteen,

1146
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: he's he he's he's He said to me multiple times,

1147
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: do not say this on air, don't say it, but

1148
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: I think he's too young. He doesn't want to say

1149
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 4: it because he wants to claim glory when he plays

1150
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: really well in a couple of years from now. But

1151
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: he does look a little slight. I'm going with my

1152
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 4: father in life, he should stay another year over over

1153
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 4: for Maccabi Televison.

1154
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Tess in laws are plugged in here.

1155
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 4: I love that, right, yeah, sure you want to hear

1156
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: about dragon Bed. Dragon Bender has gone back to mccabi

1157
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: tel Aviv. Oh wow, and not playing well right now.

1158
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: He's he's he played for Mccabi went to the NBA

1159
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 4: for four years. My father in law said he was

1160
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 4: better the first time before he came back. What happened

1161
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: to Dragon Bendery.

1162
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 5: That's sad, that is said.

1163
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 4: It is sad. All right, Let's go on to the

1164
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 4: start of the season. Because you asked a bunch of

1165
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: agents when they believe the start of the season is happening.

1166
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: It's a it's a hot topic right now. There were

1167
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 4: an array of answers. Nobody knows, absolutely absolutely. I thought

1168
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: the most interesting. One answer to me was Super Bowl Sunday.

1169
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that a joke?

1170
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 5: No?

1171
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 4: No, no, when people ben you're a football guy, tell

1172
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong here, people's pregame show. The pregame

1173
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 4: show starts quite often at twelve to one to two.

1174
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to watch a pregame show for six and

1175
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 4: a half hours. Plug in those NBA games right there,

1176
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: one three thirty.

1177
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

1178
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 4: I get they get that NFL audience jumping over. But

1179
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: is there Sketz is right, nobody really knows. But is

1180
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 4: there sort of a consensus or a feeling on on

1181
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 4: what's going to happen in the calendar year of twenty

1182
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: twenty one.

1183
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see sort of the idea of drafting

1184
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 5: off the Super Bowl earlier in the day. It's it's

1185
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 5: a little interesting. I probably don't see that happening. Yeah,

1186
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 5: you're right at the end of the day, nobody has

1187
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: any idea. And I think that's pretty apparent based on

1188
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 5: just how the NBA is right now. I mean, how

1189
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 5: look the variables are. They pulled off the bubble, fantastic job,

1190
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 5: but the other variables are still there. There's no vaccine.

1191
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 5: We don't know how this thing is going to how

1192
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 5: this virus is going to get reduced, the cases or

1193
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 5: spiking around the country. So the idea of and it's

1194
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 5: October now January is not that far away. Forget player

1195
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: or rests or anything like that. Are we really in

1196
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 5: a position to think that this is going to be Look,

1197
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 5: and I think the thing is like, I don't think

1198
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 5: anybody wants another bubble. They want to get back to

1199
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 5: the home arenas to have in the stands. And you know,

1200
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 5: while the NFL teams are starting to do that to

1201
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 5: a degree, these are outdoor stadiums that normally have seventy

1202
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 5: eighty thousand people, and we're talking like, you know, in

1203
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: a lot of cases, six to ten thousand people coming

1204
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 5: in NBA. Obviously it's enclosed. That presents other challenges. How

1205
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 5: many people can you get in there to even feel safe,

1206
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 5: even if you're willing to do that. So to me,

1207
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: the idea of January seems impossible. It basically range from

1208
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 5: January to March. The March one seems to be more realistic,

1209
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 5: which is to say, I don't know if it's realistic.

1210
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 5: Of those options, the further down the road makes the

1211
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 5: most sense to me, and I think to a lot

1212
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 5: of the other a lot of the people that we

1213
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 5: spoke with, for sure. But I think at the end

1214
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 5: of the day, no matter what anybody says, the amount

1215
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 5: of unknowns are pretty significant. And look, let's be realistic,

1216
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 5: there's an election in two weeks. To some degree, this

1217
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 5: factors into into all this because depending on how that

1218
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 5: goes could shape how we as a country view this issue.

1219
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 5: Are we taking it seriously or are we still kind

1220
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 5: of acting like it's not a thing. I think from

1221
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 5: the NBA perspective, you have to that has to be

1222
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 5: part of the decision. And like I said, my sense

1223
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 5: is and I don't think this is a shocker. The

1224
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 5: owners they don't want another bubble. How do we get

1225
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 5: fans in the stands? And I just don't see how

1226
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 5: anybody can project that's happening by January or really anytime soon. Yeah.

1227
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: One thing I took away from this again awesome survey

1228
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: from the agent's is an agent's job is to have

1229
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: all the information right for their clients, and these guys

1230
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of this information. We just

1231
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: talked about the draft process and how like obviously a

1232
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: bit of a whirlwind that was and still is to

1233
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: some extent. Now we have a draft date, good salary cap,

1234
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 2: no idea is still not confirmed, you know, obviously a

1235
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: date for next season, no idea.

1236
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: That's got to be super frustrating.

1237
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: Frustrating again when your job is to have all the answers,

1238
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: when your clients are like, well, what's going on here,

1239
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: and you're just like left going, I don't know now,

1240
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going boohoo for the agents right now

1241
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: by any means, Like there's more important things really then

1242
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: even starting another NBA season. But I can see why

1243
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: they are a little like just like let's go, let's

1244
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: what are we doing here. It's just let a lot

1245
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: of people left going, well, where are we going, guys,

1246
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: That's gotta be tough. I could understand at least putting

1247
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: myselves in there in their very expensive agent shoes. Why

1248
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: that would be a little frustrating, right, because I that

1249
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: it felt like that came up a little time and

1250
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 2: time again in some of the questions you asked these guys.

1251
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And I think also the you know,

1252
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 5: the reality is that you know, look, the players are

1253
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 5: that they hire these agents for reason. You mentioned that

1254
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 5: they have the information. Not all these players are that sophisticated.

1255
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 5: And you mentioned the salary cap. But we don't know

1256
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 5: what's going to happen if if the NBA has to

1257
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 5: you know, they may be able to sort of have

1258
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 5: a keep an artificial high number in terms of what

1259
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 5: teams can spend, but in terms of the actual dollars

1260
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 5: that come in. I heard Brian Windhorst the other day

1261
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 5: talk about this that the you know, the league, you know,

1262
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 5: they always kind of keep keep some of the money

1263
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 5: from the players back to the to hold till the

1264
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 5: end of the year to determine how much the league

1265
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: made in profits and then send the money back more

1266
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 5: or less depending on that they may have to hold

1267
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 5: back more because the unknowns are pretty significant this time.

1268
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 5: And how is it how do you as an agent

1269
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 5: sell your client. Oh, by the way, you're not even

1270
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 5: gonna You're not as much as you think you may get.

1271
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 5: You're not even gonna get that much this time, at

1272
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 5: least not up front. And we don't and we don't

1273
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 5: know your your your actual salary that just could possibly

1274
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: be cut to a degree. So yeah, look, this is

1275
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 5: where we are as a society. This is one aspect

1276
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 5: of this is that this league is dealing with it

1277
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 5: just like a lot of us are. We don't know

1278
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 5: day to day what is going to happen. And like

1279
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 5: you said, the agents are in a position to be

1280
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 5: all knowing and they can't.

1281
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 4: Be right now, right, And they keep that money, they

1282
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 4: reserve money in an escrow account, right, Because I just

1283
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Speaker 4: love saying the term escrow account. One of my favorite terms,

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Speaker 4: escrow accounts. Skeith mentioned agents and their expensive agent shoes.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking, did you conduct these interviews over zoom

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Speaker 4: or was it over a phone call? Because I can

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Speaker 4: see agents leaning back in their chair while reading all

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Speaker 4: these long paragraphs that they they were spouting off to you,

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Speaker 4: to you and Mike working Off and Michael Lee and

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Speaker 4: just riffing, throwing their legs up on their big, big desk,

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Speaker 4: potentially smoking a little cigar and their shoes on their

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Speaker 4: desk and just letting it rip zoom or phone calls,

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Speaker 4: phone calls for me.

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Speaker 5: You know. It was one of those things where you

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Speaker 5: take them when you when they're available, you know. So, yeah,

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Speaker 5: there wasn't It wasn't a lot of hay, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to send you a link and could you click on this,

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Speaker 5: And it was like, oh, not like we do it here,

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Speaker 5: like yeah, let's go. But yes, I would have liked

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Speaker 5: in some cases the image of what they're actually doing.

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Speaker 5: You know, you have to imagine in your head. I

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Speaker 5: always tried to start off the conversation and I meant

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Speaker 5: it sincerely like how are you doing dealing with with

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Speaker 5: with everything, But then it was sort of like what

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Speaker 5: are you doing and just goining to get the visual

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Speaker 5: of like there was a lot of you know, dealing

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Speaker 5: with kids and things like that, but there was definitely

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Speaker 5: a lot of power agent stuff. You can tell happening

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Speaker 5: just by the way they're conducting themselves, and it had

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Speaker 5: been fun to see their Jerry maguire set up.

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Speaker 4: All right, is there anything we've missed that you wanted

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Speaker 4: to touch on, Ben or also make sure you let

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Speaker 4: people know where they can find your work.

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Speaker 5: Chure, No, I appreciate it. I mean, I think the

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Speaker 5: only other thing that we sort of didn't get into,

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Speaker 5: and it's a good part of the survey also is

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Speaker 5: we asked a lot of questions about general managers, front offices,

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Speaker 5: team presidents, who they trust, who they don't trust, who

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Speaker 5: they think are the best talent evaluators gms to watch

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Speaker 5: things like that. I always think that's a pretty interesting

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Speaker 5: case because we didn't ask I don't ask about coaches

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Speaker 5: to these guys, not that they can't have an opinion

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Speaker 5: based on how they view it, but that's not their job.

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Speaker 5: Their job is to deal with player transaction and player contracts,

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Speaker 5: and that's where the GMS obviously are their direct contact.

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Speaker 5: So I always think that's interesting. We've mentioned a lot

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Speaker 5: of this tough talk about Lebron and the Nets. We

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Speaker 5: also had a question about who is simply the best

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Speaker 5: player in the league right now, and all that part

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Speaker 5: and some others stuff will come up in Part two,

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Speaker 5: which will be up on Thursday. Up on the outlo

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Speaker 5: if you want to follow me on Twitter, I'm at

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Speaker 5: Ben's standing. Like I said, right now, it's mostly the

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Speaker 5: Washington football team these days, but a lot of wizard

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Speaker 5: stuff and I'm always down for a good NBA talk.

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Speaker 5: The goat conversation highly annoying and I am in it

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Speaker 5: every single time. So whenever you want to go, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Hey, who's the goat of the Washington football team.

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Speaker 5: All time?

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Speaker 1: Mark Ripton, I don't know anybody.

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Speaker 5: Darryl Green is probably the Yeah, he played for twenty years,

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Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer, you know him. I mean John

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Speaker 5: Riggins had the classic Super Bowl moment where he breaks

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Speaker 5: the tackle to win the game. So those would probably

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Speaker 5: the top of two. Daryl Green, I'll go as the

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Speaker 5: as the Washington.

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Speaker 1: Football team, all right, I know who that is. So

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Speaker 1: that's a good answer.

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Speaker 4: And he probably he had a skeets built, right. He

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Speaker 4: was very slim guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah he was. He was. He's like five nine wait nothing,

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Speaker 5: but he's literally was one of the fastest humans on

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Speaker 5: the planet Earth at the time. He could have been

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Speaker 5: in the Olympics and all that. Wow, that's what he was,

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Speaker 5: you know. Whatever. The forty Times people talk about his

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Speaker 5: was faster. It was, it was, it was, it was stunning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna go watch some Darryl Green highlights.

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Speaker 5: Now here it go watching Chase down Tony Door. Set

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Speaker 5: it it'll, it'll, it'll make your day better.

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Speaker 1: I'm hitting YouTube as we speak here.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I might be a football fan, and

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Speaker 4: by a football fan, I mean a Washington football fan.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what the team is called. Crazy stuff.

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Speaker 4: All right, you can catch the agent survey and all

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Speaker 4: of Ben Standigg's work on the athletic as far as

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Speaker 4: we go. We will be back on Friday with a

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Speaker 4: new Beach step in mail Bag podcast. Thanks so much, Ben.

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Speaker 4: We'll see it Friday.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much. Guys, you could stay every day.

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Speaker 1: Happy. It's been so long with you. It's gonna be good.