1 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: It was August sixth, nineteen eighty eight. Jan Borowski was 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: seven months pregnant. She had been at the fair, having 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: a fabulous time. She got hot, she got tired, so 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: as she's driving home, she thought, I'm gonna stop at 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: this convenience store and get me something to drink. Well, 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: the convenience store was closed, but as luck would have it, 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: they had a vendom machine outside. So she parked her car, 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: rummaged through her pursed, tried to find some change, went 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: up to the vendom machine and it took her money. 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: So she went back to her car, got more change, 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: and went back to the vending machine, and then things 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: went away that she would have never thought possible in 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: her deepest nightmares. She was only twenty two years old. 14 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Now this story has a miracle attached to it, So 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: y'all stay with me. Our guest tonight is not just 16 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: a survivor. She's the only survivor of the Connecticut River 17 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Valley serial killer. And y'all, she's brought her own Zone 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: seven with her. Please help me. Welcome Jane Barowski, Amanda Bettered, 19 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: and Drew Bettered. Y'all, welcome to Zone seven. 20 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: Thank you so happy to be here. Thank you for 21 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: having us. 22 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us. 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: We appreciate it. 24 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you what's remarkable. Some of y'all 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: may already know their names. They're from the Invisible Tears podcast. 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Y'all know what I'm talking about. That podcast that goes 27 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: deep into what happened to Jane and then what she 28 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: did with it, and y'all you know, sometimes you think, 29 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: how in the world does something like this happen to 30 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: somebody and they turn around and use it for good. Well, 31 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that too, because that's exactly what 32 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: she's doing. Jane. Why don't you talk about what happened 33 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: that night just a little bit, and then I want 34 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: to bring Amanda and Drew back in and let's talk 35 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: about what you're doing currently. Does that sound okay? 36 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: That sounds great? Thank you. Yeah, I everything you said. 37 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: Went to affairs, stopped for a soda. I'm sitting there 38 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 5: drinking my soda and a vehicle pulled in part beside 39 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 5: me on my passenger side of my car. Didn't think 40 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 5: anything of it. I'd like to add that Swansea is 41 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 5: a very small town in New Hampshire and in nineteen 42 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 5: eighty eight. It had virtually no major crime, so. 43 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: I felt safe. 44 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 5: Next thing I know, I see him in my rear 45 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 5: view mirror walking behind my car, went up to my 46 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 5: car door and tried to take me out of the car. 47 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 5: We struggled. We thought I thought I kicked him. I 48 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 5: ended up smashing my windshield because I went to kick 49 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 5: him and I kicked my windshield. And then he took 50 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 5: a knife out and said, maybe this will persuade you 51 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 5: to get out of the car, which it did. 52 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: I got out of the car, and he was confusing 53 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: to me. 54 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: For one he he told me that I beat up 55 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 5: his girlfriend, which obviously I had not, and he asked 56 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 5: me or mentioned that my car was a Massachusetts car, 57 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 5: which I was like, no, I have new Hampshire plates 58 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 5: on my car. So he kind of like walked away 59 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 5: from me and went to the back of the car. 60 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, okay, he's confused. It took me, you know, 61 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 5: I took my safeguard down, thought that, you know, he 62 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 5: mistaken me for somebody else. And the next thing I know, 63 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 5: I see him walking towards his vehicle. Well then I'm like, 64 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 5: I'm sitting here with a smash windshield, so I'm like, hey, 65 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 5: what about my windshield? And those are the words that 66 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 5: I regret for the rest of my life. He came 67 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 5: back around put the knife up against my neck and 68 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 5: I'm standing there and he was still wanting me to 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: go with him, and I knew in my mind if 70 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 5: I went with him, I probably would not be alive today. 71 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: So I saw a vehicle coming down the road headlights 72 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 5: and I said to myself, Okay, the only way I'm 73 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 5: getting myself out of this situation is to run as 74 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 5: fast as I can to the road and scream. 75 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: And I did. 76 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 5: I just took right off, started running towards the road. 77 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: The vehicle was coming. 78 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: I'm screaming, and the vehicle just drove right by, and 79 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 5: the next thing I know, he like tackled me down 80 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 5: like a football player, got me on my back. I 81 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 5: was laying on the ground on my back and he 82 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: got on top of me, and before I knew it, 83 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 5: he was stabbing me multiple times. 84 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: And he stopped and. 85 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 5: Got up walked away, And by this time I'm bleeding 86 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: and I'm trying to get myself up, and I rolled 87 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 5: myself over to my stomach and I get up on 88 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 5: my hands and knees, and he drives by me and 89 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 5: looked right down at me. I looked right up at him, 90 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 5: and he just drove off. So I did everything I 91 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 5: could to get to my vehicle, got in my vehicle, 92 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: started it, and I had a friend of mine that 93 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 5: lived about two miles down the road. So I knew 94 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 5: if I could just get to his house, you know, 95 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: I would be able to get help. And so I'm 96 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: driving down the road and next thing I know, I'm 97 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 5: right behind him. 98 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: He's right in front of me. 99 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: You know, Jane, I got to tell you, that's part 100 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: of the story that gave me, I think, the most chills. 101 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: For some reason, I was not expecting that when I 102 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: first heard your story. 103 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: Oh I was not needle something. 104 00:06:53,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Oh yep. But for some reason, the idea that you 105 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: were able to catch up to him and realize he's 106 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: ahead of you. Oh lord, All right, go ahead, honey, 107 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just had. 108 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: To That's okay. 109 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 5: So he was in front of me, and my biggest 110 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: fear was he was going to see where I turned 111 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 5: the driveway that I was turning into. And so I 112 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 5: got to the driveway, I pulled in the driveway, he went, 113 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 5: He went four straight. I went up to my friend's door. Well, 114 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 5: I didn't even get to the door. I got to 115 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 5: the bottom of the little steps that goes up to 116 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 5: the door, and I was just like, you need to 117 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 5: get me help. Some asshole just stabbed the crap out 118 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 5: of me and I collapsed on the steps and next 119 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: thing I know, we hear the vehicle come back by 120 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 5: the house the opposite way, and we heard squealed tires 121 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 5: and then it left in. 122 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Them just disappeared in the night. So I was I'm 123 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: fortunate to be alive. I was stabbed twenty seven times. 124 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: He sliced my juggler in my neck, I had two 125 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 5: collapse lungs, a cut tendon in my thumb, a cut 126 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 5: tendon in my knee. I had a lot of defensive wounds. 127 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: So let me just ask you, he thought he left 128 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: you for dead? 129 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: I believe so, yeah, I believe that. 130 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: So when he realized, wait a minute, that's her car. 131 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: Because you had a very distinct car. Tell everybody your 132 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: car because you love that car. 133 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: Oh, I did love my car. 134 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 5: I had a nineteen eighty five Firebird white right on it, 135 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: red interior. It was absolutely gorgeous. I absolutely loved the car. 136 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 5: Loved it, and you know, I loved it so much 137 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 5: that I kept it. Obviously that there was a lot 138 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 5: of blood and everything in the car, and so while 139 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 5: I was in the hospital, my husband had it clean detailed. 140 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: After the police were done fingerprinting it and doing all 141 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 5: their forensics and gathering evidence, my husband had it detailed 142 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 5: and he wanted to sell it, and I was like, no, 143 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: that's my car, you know, selling my car. I love 144 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 5: that car. 145 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing like a car that you just you just 146 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: dig it, like that's your set of wheels. You know. 147 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 148 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 5: That was a nineteen eighty five Firebirds where the nicest 149 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 5: sports cars. 150 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: Uh, and it drove so nice. 151 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: So let's talk about your support system. I want to 152 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: bring Amanda in first, because Amanda, you're a trauma expert, 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: but you also have something that is in your wheelhouse 154 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: that I think is pretty powerful and we don't talk 155 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: about it a lot. People don't maybe know a lot 156 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: about it, but you deal with energy, and I think 157 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: that anybody that's ever been in a traumatic situation that 158 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: had somebody just touch their hand knows the power of touch. 159 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: I think making sure that people are intuitive and that 160 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: they are ever present. I think that's one of the 161 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: most important things, Amanda. I was at a wedding about 162 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, and the preacher told 163 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: the couple to turn around and just take it in 164 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: that this was going to go by so fast and 165 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: there were going to be things they didn't remember, and 166 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: he basically just made them take that moment. And I thought, 167 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: that's one of the most powerful things I've ever seen 168 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: at a wedding. So tell everybody a little bit about 169 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: what it is you do to help Jane. 170 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, So I'm actually a wreaky master teacher, and 171 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: so as you speak about energy, So, Reikie is a 172 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: form of energy work where I channel universal energy through 173 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: myself and help clients as I tune into their energy field. 174 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: And while that sounds really, you know, kind of like 175 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: kooky sometimes for people listening to it, just think about 176 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: it like this. Absolutely everything is energy, and when anybody 177 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: goes through any sort of situation, possibly trauma, maybe something 178 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,479 Speaker 3: great or something that's not so great, it actually imprints 179 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: energy into your energy field. So as a reiki master, 180 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: what I do is I tune into people's energy fields 181 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: and I help them cleanse anything that may be stuck 182 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: in their energy field. A lot of times people don't 183 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: realize that pain can manifest in your energy field. 184 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get diseases for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, yep. 185 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Drew. I noticed that 186 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: you and Amanda have the same last name. Is there 187 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: a reason for that? Sorry? Ah? 188 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 4: Yes, Amanda is my wife. 189 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Okay. And then you have mentioned that you've known Jane 190 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: your whole life, So tell us how the three of 191 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: y'all teamed up. Ah. 192 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: Yes, So, Jane and her husband Dennis have been friends 193 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 4: with my parents for my entire life. One of my 194 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 4: earlier childhood memories is I actually do remember watching The 195 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 4: Unsolved Mysteries when they covered Jane's case, so at a 196 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 4: very early age. That did sort of leave that imprint 197 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 4: and really did kick off my intrigue with true crime. 198 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: And with Jane being so close to the family, it 199 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: was very difficult for me because I wanted to ask 200 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 4: her so many questions about the case, but I didn't 201 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: want to bring it up because we were way too close. 202 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 4: I didn't want to broach that subject. I didn't know 203 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 4: if she was ready to talk about he or anything 204 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: like that. And then this was probably about ten fifteen 205 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: years ago, Jane and I were sitting around campfire at 206 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: a campground in New Hampshire and she just looks at 207 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: me and goes, you know, Andrew, have I ever showed 208 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: you the scars? And it instantly opened up kind of 209 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: like that book, where I could just ask her questions 210 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 4: about it, you know, who the current suspect at that 211 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: time was, and just kind of do a little bit 212 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: of a deep dive with being able to ask her 213 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: those questions that I kind of always wanted to know, 214 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: and it made it very good for our relationship as well. 215 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 4: And then it was around the when the pandemic kicked off, 216 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: Jane and her daughter Jessica were listening to some episodes 217 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: talking about the Connecticut Valley case and they were in 218 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: there going god, there's a lot of you know, wrong information, 219 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 4: or the story is not really adding up, or they're 220 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: talking about this and doesn't make sense, and they're like, 221 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: why don't we do our podcast and actually tell the 222 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 4: full story? But they didn't really know where to start, 223 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: and Jane was like, don't. I don't know how to 224 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 4: do this, and Jessica goes ask Andrew. So Jane sent 225 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: me a text and was like, Hey, do you got 226 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 4: do you want to go out to lunch? I've got 227 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: a great idea. So we went to a Longhorn Sta 228 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: Longhorned Steakhouse in Keene, New Hampshire, Jane, Me, Amanda and 229 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: Jess and we sat there and just kind of talked 230 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: about what the plans would be if we did want 231 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: to do a show. And Amanda and I were absolutely 232 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: honored because for me it was a if I can 233 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: help Jane, give her a platform to tell her story 234 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: how it happened, but then also what happened to her 235 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: after the fact. Because being a family friend, I was 236 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: able to witness a lot of the stuff, even though 237 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 4: Jane was she'll be admit to it, keeping a lot 238 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: of stuff on the down low. So there was a 239 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: lot that we didn't know, but we did know some 240 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: of the some of the stuff that was happening to her. 241 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: So I just wanted to give her that opportunity to 242 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: try to not only tell her story, but also if 243 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: she can help somebody that also went through something traumatic. 244 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: Amandon and I were going to be there to support 245 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: her as best we could to try to put this 246 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 4: podcast together. 247 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: Jane, how important was it for you to not just 248 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: have support but to have two people that are willing 249 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: to say, hey, you may not understand this energy thing, 250 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: but I'm going to try to help you, and then 251 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Andrews saying hey, I'm going to help run this thing 252 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: and produce it and have all of that at your disposal. 253 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: Oh as blessed today. I am blessed. 254 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 5: We've become a great team. You know, I wanted a 255 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 5: platform to share I suffered PTSD for a long time 256 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 5: because of my attack, and I know there's a lot 257 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 5: of people out there that also have gone through trauma 258 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 5: and have PTSD, but they don't really know how to 259 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 5: actually go about to getting help. It took me over 260 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 5: twenty years to actually see a counselor for the first 261 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 5: time about my attack and about what happened to me. 262 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 5: So to when they just when they accepted and they 263 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 5: were like, yeah, let's do this. I was elated. I 264 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 5: was I felt blessed. I was like, Okay, now I 265 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 5: have a platform to tell my story. Because you know, 266 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 5: when you go through something traumatic like I've gone through, 267 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 5: the story doesn't end with Okay, she healed physically, she's 268 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 5: out of the hospital, she goes home. Story done. It 269 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 5: doesn't happen that way. I may have healed very quickly physically, 270 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: but not mentally. Mentally took years. 271 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: You made the news before you even got released from 272 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: the hospital. You didn't know whether or not he was 273 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: coming back exactly, especially once he knew your name. 274 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly exactly. And that was the thing. 275 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 5: Back then, they put the victim's names all over media, 276 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: and they don't do that today. If the victim has survived, 277 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 5: you don't see the victim's name anymore, especially if the 278 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 5: case is unsolved. But yeah, back then was a very 279 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 5: very different time, and so I, you know, I lived 280 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 5: with a lot of fear for a long time, and 281 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 5: it kind of produced other things in me, like anger 282 00:17:53,600 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 5: and survivor's guilt and anxiety and night mayors and so 283 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 5: I had, you know, I had all the symptoms of PTSD, 284 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 5: but I at the time, I didn't know I had 285 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 5: PTSD until I went to my counselor. And my counselor 286 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 5: was like, hey, here's some symptoms of PTSD. I really 287 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 5: think you have PTSD. Go home, and you know, look 288 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 5: at the paper and look at the symptoms. Because I 289 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: was like, PTSD is for like you know, servicemen and 290 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 5: women that have seen the unspeakable overseas, you know. But 291 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 5: I read that and I was like blown away. But 292 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 5: yet at the same time, I was like, oh my god, 293 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 5: now I have PTSD. 294 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: Now what? 295 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: And that's what I said to her. I was like, okay, 296 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: you got me. I have PTSD. 297 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: Now what. And she's like, we start healing you. Those 298 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: were words I have never heard. I never heard those before. 299 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 6: She's the one that And you know, it's shocking that 300 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 6: you know, here you are in the middle of this 301 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 6: horrific event, yet you had not ever been told or. 302 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: Sat and thought. I not only witnessed something unspeakable, I 303 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: had something unspeakable happened to me. And as somebody's trying 304 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: to kill me, I'm trying to protect my unborn child. Afterwards, 305 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm still being hunted. I don't know where 306 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: he's at. I don't know if he's going to strike again. 307 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: They asked you to do a composite, and you know, 308 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: you can't even speak. You've got to blink yes or 309 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: no for the composite. Tell everybody about that. 310 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: So I was. 311 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 5: I believe it was like day two or day three 312 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 5: when I was in the hospital. I was in intensive care. 313 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 5: I see you I had a ventilator, and the detectives 314 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 5: came in with this box of slides, and they were 315 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: like different eyes and different noses and different mouths and 316 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: different faces and hair, and so I had all kinds 317 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: of different slides. And because I had a ventilator, they 318 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 5: were trying to make a composite to spread around so 319 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 5: that they could put that in the news and put 320 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 5: flyers out and stuff. So I had to blink when 321 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 5: they showed me eyes or nose. I had to blink 322 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 5: once for yes and two for no. I think, you know, 323 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 5: I look back and I thought about this a couple 324 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: of years ago. I looked back on that, and it's like, 325 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 5: I wonder if they thought they needed to get this 326 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 5: composite out because they didn't think I was going to survive, and. 327 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: We don't know where he's at and he could strike again. 328 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it was a parallel concern, but 329 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about both your lungs and carotid artery. 330 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't playing. He literally thought you were 331 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: going to die right there in that parking lot. 332 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 2: I think he expected me to but I didn't. 333 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: No, you did, not, Sugar, Amanda, when you talk about 334 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna do this and it's going to 335 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: be victim centered and we're going to have a platform 336 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: where other people can, you know, get help and tell 337 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: their story. How difficult is it for you to make 338 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: sure that you stay true to what y'all want to do, 339 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: that you don't make an off handed joke that you 340 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: don't not think about, Hey, this is the anniversary of 341 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: when she was attacked, this is the anniversary when she 342 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: was let out of the hospital, this is the anniversary 343 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: of you know, the other victims. Like, that's a lot 344 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: on you too. 345 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 3: M Yeah, Yeah, it absolutely is. I definitely think that 346 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: all of us can probably agree that. Since we've been 347 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: in this podcasting space, and now, mind you, none of 348 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: us were podcasters before. We had to teach ourselves, right, 349 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 3: So as we've been sort of stumbling along this path, 350 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 3: we've we've definitely we've learned quite a few things. I 351 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: think now we are all finally at the point where 352 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 3: we all understand that we are victim advocates. We see 353 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 3: the work that we've done, we see who we've helped, 354 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: and we're extremely proud of that and that sort of 355 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: keeps us, keeps us going and gives us momentum to 356 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: keep going. I do have to say from a personal perspective, 357 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: being within this space, especially like for myself personally, being 358 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: very sensitive to energy, being very you know, compassionate and 359 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: victim centric and that sort of thing. It being in 360 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: this space has been hard for me sometimes I need to, 361 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, take some mental health today, is myself right, 362 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: and just sort of decompress and just remember why we 363 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 3: are doing what we're doing, and we're in it to help, 364 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: and we're in it for the right reasons. 365 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: I preach work life balance, that balance is so important 366 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: or you've got to do something tough like I know 367 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: today is tough on Jane. I know it, which is 368 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: another reason I think you and Drew are so important. 369 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: And Drew I was going to ask, you know, when 370 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: she's got to gear up, She's got to tell this again. 371 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, this is not entertainment. This is her life. 372 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: And you know, one thing that I have learned, whether 373 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: it's talking to Jane or talking to Kathy Kleiner, they 374 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: have this same just experience in that the killer would 375 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: be killer was not in a hurry, he wasn't anxious, 376 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't just out of control, it's it's the opposite 377 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: of Sometimes we envision and like if we were writ 378 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: in this horror movie the way we would make the killer. 379 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: He's calculated, he's calm. He jives past her and just 380 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: looks at her and keeps going and goes slow. He's 381 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: not speeding out of there. So when you're dealing with 382 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: Jane before the show, during the show, which again I'm 383 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: glad y'all are here for her, and then after the show, 384 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: how important is that. 385 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 4: It's very important for us to make sure that Jane 386 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 4: is in the right headspace. If something is hitting her 387 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: too hard, we definitely pull the rains back and we 388 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: kind of look at the day that Jane is having. 389 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 4: And a lot of times there is very good days 390 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: where she's an open book and we can ask her 391 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 4: as much questions as possible. Like, you know, there is 392 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 4: one day where we just sat down and we were like, okay, Jane, 393 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: put yourself back when you were laying on the pavement. 394 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: Do you remember the sound of the shoes that were 395 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: making as he was walking across the pavement. You know, 396 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: what type of clothing was he wear? Like, trying to 397 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 4: bring her back to that moment, to try to grasp 398 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 4: any detail that she might have, but also knowing there's 399 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 4: going to be certain times when she is not mentally 400 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 4: in the right frame of mind to talk. But I 401 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 4: think with the work that we've been doing, and especially 402 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 4: with Jane being able to talk to other survivors, being 403 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 4: you know, really getting into the advocacy headspace, she's ready 404 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 4: to talk and ready to take on a lot more 405 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 4: weight as she's not just advocating for herself anymore, but 406 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: she's advocating for the seven other women that were killed, 407 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 4: you know, within the Connecticut Valley as well as some 408 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 4: other cases. So she has definitely taken on a lot 409 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 4: of the weight of that. But we're just here to 410 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: support her and try to help her out as much 411 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: as possible, whether that's people coming with information, you know, 412 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 4: sometimes it's information that I know would just set her 413 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: off a little bit. Yeah, No, it wasn't that. It's okay. 414 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 4: I will keep that information. I'll just give her a 415 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: summary of it, but kind of make sure that it's 416 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 4: something that's not gonna, you know, kind of send her 417 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: into a little bit of a tailsman. 418 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: Well, Jane, this tickles me a little bit because Amanda 419 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: and Drew both they almost sound like they're very calm, 420 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: they're very in touch and being kind and gracious. Girl, 421 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: you're a pistol. Let me tell you something. That man 422 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: had already pulled a knifef on you, and you're like, hey, dude, 423 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: what about my crackweindshield, Like, what's up like paying for that? 424 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: So I think again that balance. I don't know you 425 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: that well, Jane, but I'm just saying I've heard you 426 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: talk on more than one interview, and I mean, you're 427 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: You're just a boss, right, I mean you you are her, 428 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: you are you know, you've got that vibrato about you. 429 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: I think you know what I mean. 430 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: I do, I do, and you know, I to kind 431 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 5: of backtrack to I Andrew. One of the things that 432 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 5: helps me keeps me centered and grounded and stuff is 433 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 5: the advocating is helping others. I know when somebody comes 434 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 5: on our podcast and they tell their loved one story, 435 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 5: I know that we're helping them. So that helps me. 436 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 5: That helps me a lot. You know, the advocating has 437 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: been so therapeutic for us, especially for me. It just 438 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 5: knowing that telling my story has helped other people. We 439 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 5: get emails. I've had several emails of people telling me 440 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 5: I was in a domestic relationship, violent relationship for years 441 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 5: and I finally got out. And for fifteen years, I've 442 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: known I needed counseling, but never have done it. And 443 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 5: they email me and tell me I just made my 444 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: first appointment for counseling because they heard my podcast. 445 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: That is huge. 446 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 5: Like, that's what we had always said from the beginning. 447 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 5: If we could help that one person, then we've done 448 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 5: our job. This is what we wanted to do. This 449 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 5: is what we're doing, and we have. We've helped several. 450 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: You have every right to just want to be in 451 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: the bed all the time and upset, but you're using 452 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: it for good. Something so horrible and you're turning it 453 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, I'm going to help other people. 454 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 5: Well, I felt so alone for so many years, like 455 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 5: I didn't know somebody else that had gone through something 456 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 5: so traumatic as I have been through. 457 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: So who do you talk to? Who do you you know? 458 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know Kathy Klein. Then you know. 459 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 5: There's not and there's no books out there. Oh, I 460 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 5: survived a serial killers. So what am I supposed to 461 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 5: do now for the rest you know, the rest of 462 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 5: my life? There's nothing out there. So I was lost 463 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 5: for a long long time. And if I was lost 464 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 5: after I've gone through something traumatic like this, I know 465 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 5: there's other people out there that have that have been 466 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 5: feeling the same way as I was for years. And 467 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 5: so in telling my story and getting it out and 468 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 5: and you know, like I said before, one of the 469 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: most important parts of my story is not my attack, 470 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 5: it's my life after the attack. I mean, it wasn't 471 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 5: it wasn't easy. It was very hard for a long time, 472 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 5: but it was also something that helped build me to 473 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 5: the person that the person that I am today, and 474 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 5: that's you know, I can't put a price on that 475 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 5: or anything, but my podcast allows me to do this 476 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 5: and to be the person I want to be. 477 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: These crimes occurred between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty seven. 478 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: There are seven women that they know are connected to 479 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: this killer, but there's possibly many many more. Talk about 480 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: that a little bit about how you're trying to advocate 481 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: for all of the victims and potential victims. 482 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 5: We've been doing the rallies up at the AG's office 483 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 5: in Conquered New Hampshire. They're starting to open these cases 484 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 5: up and looking at him at them a lot more. 485 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 5: One thing I like that they're doing now is instead 486 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 5: of looking at them all as a whole, they're individually 487 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 5: investigating them. 488 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: Now. 489 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 5: Back in the eighties, I think there was a lot 490 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 5: of speculation that there was one killer. 491 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: Now it's like, I'm not sure they're doing. 492 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 5: They're doing a lot more investigating individually. And that's super 493 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 5: important because I think that they'll get further with maybe 494 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 5: once they solve one case, maybe they can solve another 495 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 5: that's connected, that's connected to that case. 496 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,239 Speaker 1: I think that's the right approach individually, and then you know, 497 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: deconstruct it and build it back up. 498 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 5: I agree, But I mean, what do I say to 499 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 5: other women? You know, the world is not a safe place, 500 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 5: and we it's funny. We just I just did a video. 501 00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 5: There's several unsolved murders happening and Cannnecticuette, Massachusetts and Rhode 502 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 5: Island right now. They've been finding all kinds of bodies 503 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 5: and remains the past couple of months. 504 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: And I did a video on it yesterday. And you know, I'm. 505 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 5: Frustrated that law enforcement doesn't give out very much information. 506 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 5: And I get some of their reasons, I really do, 507 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 5: But when they call every single case not suspicious. That 508 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 5: just doesn't sound right, and that's what they do in 509 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 5: the Hampshire a lot. But what I would rather have 510 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 5: them say is the case is being investigated, but be vigilant. 511 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 5: And that was part of my video yesterday. It was 512 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 5: like I wanted people to know, yes, there is a 513 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 5: possibility that there's a serial killer out there, no proof yet, 514 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 5: but I want this information to be spread so women 515 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: or people can be more vigilant, like walking, going on 516 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 5: a trail hike, don't go one at a time, do two, 517 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 5: be a buddy system, Carrie Peppers Ray, be aware of 518 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 5: your surroundings. Don't wear earbuds if you're alone jogging. That way, 519 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 5: you're more aware of what your surroundings are, and you know, 520 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 5: you can hear if somebody's you know, behind you, are 521 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 5: coming to coming towards you, different things like that. That's 522 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 5: why law enforcement kind of frustrates me with this because 523 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 5: they try to put everybody at ease, but they're not 524 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 5: thinking about people that aren't being vigilant about what they're 525 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 5: doing and about their surroundings. And so, you know, I 526 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 5: wish people would be more vigilant. I don't want to 527 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 5: scare people, Like with my video, I didn't want to 528 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 5: scare anybody, but I wanted people to know that, you know, 529 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 5: there's a possibility of this be vigilant. 530 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 2: So Drew this. 531 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: Killer killed in a fifty mile radius. You are a 532 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: serial killer researcher, that's your area. What does that tell 533 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: you about the potential true number of victims? 534 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, we do. We do think that it wasn't just 535 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 4: north and south along the you know, the I ninety 536 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: one corridor. We do believe that it might have also 537 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 4: gone a little bit east to west, going from the 538 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 4: Vermont State boarder over into Maine. There's a lot of 539 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 4: bodies that turned up, you know, throughout central New Hampshire 540 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 4: and Maine around the same timeframe that were similar enough 541 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: to you know, get on our radar. And I know 542 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 4: that I was talking with a family friend who was 543 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 4: a good good friend with a cop from Unity and 544 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 4: the authorities in that small town also believe that there 545 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 4: was an east to west corridor as well, that this 546 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 4: this killer was also conducting attacks. And so but we 547 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 4: haven't We've been pretty good with We honestly do not 548 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 4: know who the suspect is. We are trying to identify 549 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 4: what cases might be tied and which ones might not be. Now, 550 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 4: if you look at the eight attacks within the Connecticut 551 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 4: Valley cases, the similarities are definitely they're in the same 552 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 4: area of New Hampshire and Vermont. But if you do 553 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 4: look at each case, you're gonna find something that doesn't 554 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 4: quite line up with another one. There might be a 555 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: piece here that connects you know, the first and the 556 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 4: second case, but then there's an outlier between them. But 557 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 4: then there's a commonality between you know, the second and 558 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 4: the seventh case. So we definitely look at it with 559 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 4: an open eye, going is it one or is it 560 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 4: possibly two? Now, when we had first start our conversation, 561 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 4: you know, the theory of him being a hunter or 562 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 4: a fisherman was pretty prominent. But I was definitely of 563 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 4: the mindset of he had to have had some hunting 564 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 4: and fishing background. And in Linda Moore's case, in particular, 565 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: the woman who was attacked in her home in Bella's Falls, 566 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 4: it was an outlier because she was attacked in her home. 567 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 4: Everybody else was sort of in a public place. But 568 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 4: I looked at it as from a hunter fisherman's perspective, 569 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 4: in her home was right along a river that you 570 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 4: could fish along, So I theorized that he was he 571 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 4: would go out hunting. Now, whether that was driving around, 572 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think it was driving around. I think 573 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 4: you would treat it almost like he was in a 574 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 4: deer stand. He would find a spot and sit there 575 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 4: and wait to see if somebody would come by that 576 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 4: would that would be within his demographics of a possible victim. 577 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 4: And that's why I think with Linda Moore in particular, 578 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 4: I think he was fishing along the river and as 579 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 4: he was walking along the river, he stumbled upon her 580 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 4: and saw her in her backyard and just he became overwhelmed, 581 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 4: and that's why that attack happened. And we didn't find 582 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 4: out until about a year and a half ago from 583 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 4: the police reports that they did actually find some some 584 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 4: twigs and branches that could have only come from the backyard. 585 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 4: So that did sort of help kind of solidify that 586 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 4: a little bit with you know, we do believe this 587 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: is what his background. 588 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: Is interesting, and you've got victims that were hitchhiking in 589 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: parking lots, rest stops. It certainly would check that he 590 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: waits for somebody to come into his path, almost like 591 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: a deer gets in that clear and if you're in 592 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: the tree stand. 593 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, exactly, and with jeans attack being aka Marlow's, 594 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 4: it's right in, you know, right in the hometown area. 595 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 4: So I'd drive by it countless times and I would 596 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 4: there and kind of put myself in the position of 597 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 4: if I was driving by and saw the car, would 598 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 4: I pull in? Or there's enough spots in that parking 599 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 4: lot where you could sit in a car sitting in 600 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 4: it and nobody would even realize you were there. So 601 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 4: I kind of put myself in that mindset of going, 602 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 4: you know what, there is this one spot in that 603 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 4: parking lot where you can sit in the dark, nobody 604 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 4: can see you, but you can see traffic coming from 605 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 4: both sides, and you can also tell if there are 606 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 4: multiple people in the vehicle or just a single person. 607 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 4: So in Jane's case, he would have been able to 608 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 4: see that it was a single woman pulling into the 609 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 4: parking lot, because we did sit down with Jane and 610 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 4: ask her did she remember the car actually pulling into 611 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 4: the parking lot and did she remember which anglic came 612 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 4: in and she could not quite remember. So it's one 613 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 4: of those where there's no clear evidence as to was 614 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 4: he just driving by or was he possibly hanging out 615 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 4: there in that parking lot. 616 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: All right, Jane, I'm going to ask you something, and 617 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to offer you something. I happen to know 618 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: the world's best forensic artist. If you would like to 619 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: redo the composite, or if you would like to do 620 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: what we call an age progression, I would be willing 621 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: to get that done for you. So you just think 622 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: about that, because if you don't think that that composite 623 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: is good enough, you need to add ears, if the 624 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: hair's not right, if you remember something about scars on 625 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: the face or anything that we need to change, we 626 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: can do that. So, Jane, I hear something about a coalition. 627 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: What's that about, Honey? 628 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to turn that part over to 629 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 2: Amanda because Amanda can explain it way better than I can. 630 00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: See. 631 00:39:59,760 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 6: Y'all. 632 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's why having a Z seven is so important. 633 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Amanda. 634 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 3: We always have each other's bags, don't we. And she 635 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: might have just psychically known that I had the press 636 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 3: releases actually already printed out right here for reference, just 637 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 3: to make sure I get the dates right. Thanks, Jane. Yeah, 638 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 3: So with our journey that we've been on with Invisible Tears, 639 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 3: obviously we have met some amazing people who are doing 640 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 3: advocating for their family as well. So in the spring, 641 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: late spring, early summer of twenty twenty three, myself, Drew 642 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 3: and Jane combined forces with Julie Murray, who is the 643 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 3: sister of Maura Murray, who I'm sure that a lot 644 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 3: of people have heard of. Yes, we we adore Julie 645 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 3: as well and her entire family. We combined forces with 646 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 3: Julie also Shana from Light the Way. She has an 647 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 3: amazing advocacy program where she just simply helps people that 648 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 3: are advocating for cases. We also combined with some family 649 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 3: members from Trish Haynes family, Valerie Haynes and Carrie and 650 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 3: Wilson from Trish Haynes's family. And what we all did 651 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 3: was we all got together, we all hopped on a 652 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 3: zoom and we said, I think we need to form 653 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 3: a group. And so what we did was we actually 654 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 3: ended up forming the New Hampshire Coalition of Families for 655 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 3: the Missing and Murdered and we started having annual rallies. 656 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 3: And what we do is once a year, or right 657 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 3: now I should say it's once a year, we gather. 658 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 3: We do a big event mid August and we either 659 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 3: do it in front of the capital in Conquered New Hampshire. 660 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 3: The first one was at the Attorney General's Office, but 661 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 3: they've since moved that so it's right in the center 662 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 3: of Conquered New Hampshire. Gather and we speak and we 663 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 3: simply bring visibility to all the cases that aren't solved, 664 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 3: all the people that are missing. We welcome people speaking 665 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 3: at it. We always make sure and invite the Attorney 666 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 3: General's Office and any law enforcement that wants to come 667 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 3: as well and sort of collaborate with us. But we're 668 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 3: what we're really looking for is we're looking to raise awareness, 669 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 3: reform the victim advocacy program, improve communication with both the 670 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 3: state and with investigators, and really just secure justice for victims. 671 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: Well, Jane, I don't think we can in this thing 672 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: without talking about the absolute miracle, the hand to God 673 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: moment within this case. 674 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 5: I actually have two miracles. My daughter that I was 675 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 5: pregnant with, she had a rough road. She had to 676 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 5: fight for her life for quite a few weeks. She 677 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 5: was born a blue baby, so she had no blood pressure, 678 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 5: so but she fought for her life for a few weeks. 679 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 5: She survived, and uh, she's my best friend and I 680 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 5: can't imagine life without her. And she also blessed me 681 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 5: with a granddaughter. 682 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: Oh congratulations, So I have eleven year old granddaughter, which 683 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: she is. 684 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 2: She's something. She's going through adolescents right now. But she's 685 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 2: a sweetheart. 686 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 5: She's her goal is to advocate for bullying in school. 687 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 5: But yeah, I my daughter survived, and uh, she tries 688 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 5: to as much as she can. She's a part of 689 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 5: everything that we do. She's a part of the coalition's 690 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 5: she does all her traveling with me when I go 691 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 5: to speak at different places. And so, yeah, she's she's amazing. 692 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 5: She's Uh she's not had life easy. Uh, but she 693 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 5: does the best that she can and I'm grateful for 694 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 5: and she's the reason. 695 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 2: Why I'm alive. 696 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 5: I truly believe she wanted to live, and that's why 697 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 5: I survived my attack. 698 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: Amanda, thank you so much for joining us, for giving 699 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: us your insight, and just being willing to help Jane 700 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: every day. I appreciate you. 701 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 3: Oh, of course, thank you so much. And believe me, 702 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 3: I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any other way. I 703 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 3: love Jane and I protect her fiercely. 704 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 2: Oh are you're going to make me cry? 705 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: Awesome? 706 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 3: I hope my energy is coming through hoping fail it. 707 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 3: You have fantastic energy, you really do. 708 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 2: I'll hear that. 709 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that on my business card. And Drew, listen. 710 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I love what you're doing. I love the 711 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: fact that Amanda and Jane call you the glue of 712 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: what y'all are doing. I think that's a great title. 713 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 4: Honey, thank you very much. Who's great talking to you. 714 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't even have words. I mean, I just not 715 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: only appreciate you coming and telling your story again. I 716 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: know it's not easy, but I think that's why it's 717 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: so important that we get the word out that the 718 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: three of you, through the Invisible Tears podcast and your 719 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: coalition and your advocacy, that people need to know how 720 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: to get in touch with and reach you so you 721 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: can keep helping all these people. And I appreciate you. 722 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 2: I thank you very much for. 723 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 5: Letting us be on your show and telling my story. 724 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: Y'all. I'm on end Zone seven the way that I 725 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,240 Speaker 1: always is due with a quote. I was seven months pregnant. 726 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: I was stabbed twenty seven times, but not one to 727 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: my baby Jane Barowski. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is 728 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: Zone seven.