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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Noel

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Speaker 1: is not here today, but he is joining us in spirit. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and he's not going to be gone forever right now.

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Speaker 1: He will return your return shortly, but the show must

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Speaker 1: go on in the meantime. My name is Ben You

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Speaker 1: regardless of what name you're wearing today, are you? Because

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Speaker 1: names are just sort of another kind of clothing that

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Speaker 1: we put on things, aren't they ask if you will yes,

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Speaker 1: a cowl, a cassock us uh. Aside from sorry my

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Speaker 1: here to talk today, to explore today the thing that

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Speaker 1: I always love. I was inspired by this. I was

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Speaker 1: inspired to find this. In our previous episode, Lost Civilizations.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about several right. Oh yes, we have extensively

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Speaker 1: gone over Oh man, I'm trying to think Atlantis. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: we've hit which also Limuria. Er uh. We've talked a

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Speaker 1: locations of Atlantis, people who allegedly predicted its rise for fall,

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Speaker 1: and you know its location. And we've also looked at

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Speaker 1: missing cities in South and Central America. We haven't looked

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Speaker 1: we could explore absolutely more in depth. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever looked at Hilk the

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Speaker 1: our story today starts with a fellow named Sheldon Lee Gosling.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Sheldon Lee Gosline is an American egyptologist.

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Speaker 1: He knows nine ancient languages. How many do you know, listener,

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Speaker 1: Matt knows zero? And he's taught at numerous institutions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. In two thousand thirteen, our protagonists,

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