Speaker 1: Now really, really.
Speaker 2: Now really hello, and welcome to really know really with
Speaker 2: Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who want you to know
Speaker 2: that subscribing to our show is easier than cooking crystal
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Speaker 2: Which brings me to today's episode with actor, producer, director,
Speaker 2: and star of Breaking Bad Brian Kranston. What's the truth
Speaker 2: about his imminent retirement? Why has he written his memoir
Speaker 2: and Jason has it? What's the secret to crying on cue?
Speaker 2: And why did he allow himself to be covered in
Speaker 2: ten thousand bees. Jason and Peter also explore the dramatic
Speaker 2: ways in which retirement is changing, what the dark side
Speaker 2: of retirement can be, and you might even get to
Speaker 2: hear what it would sound like if George Costanza and
Speaker 2: Walter White hung out together, really, really really.
Speaker 3: I don't like to start off cranky. Excuse me, all right,
Speaker 3: but this whole thing I am so off. First of all,
Speaker 3: the set is different. We're not wearing the shirts, and
Speaker 3: you're on the wrong side, and we're doing this.
Speaker 4: You know why we're doing this? Do you know why
Speaker 4: we've changed it all? Up? I do?
Speaker 3: Why tell the people. Camera angles, camera angles for social media.
Speaker 3: Social media. Apparently, if I look straight at you, ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, you'll watch me on social media if I
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 4: Uh no, good lost you.
Speaker 5: I make an observation from a good place.
Speaker 4: You're going with change. I'm not good with change. You're
Speaker 4: absolutely You're absolutely right. You got to let it go
Speaker 4: and move on. And I will tell you something.
Speaker 3: It is it is appropriate that I say I gotta
Speaker 3: get out, because today's episode is about getting the hell out.
Speaker 4: Because this was the really that started us off. It
Speaker 4: was what I heard. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Michael Caine Venerated film actor Michael Caine announced he's retiring,
Speaker 3: and I went, really, really, but he's so if they
Speaker 3: offer him twenty million dollars to be que in the
Speaker 3: next Bond movie, He's gone.
Speaker 4: No, I'm retired. I'm retired. I can't do it Anymore's
Speaker 4: calm down, you can't remember the lines.
Speaker 5: I think you need to be drug tested if there's
Speaker 5: something going wrong with you that I'm not aware of. Also,
Speaker 5: Brian Cranston announces his retirement and then I see he's
Speaker 5: got stippy. I'm retiring, but not totally. I may show
Speaker 5: up for day how much are you off?
Speaker 4: Yes, so went again. I know Brian Krantzon and I'm
Speaker 4: telling you.
Speaker 3: You know Brian krant Yeah, Brian, Brian is here because
Speaker 3: we have to get to the because my understanding is
Speaker 3: there's nothing about you where the word retiring comes in. So,
Speaker 3: ladies and one second, sixth time Emmy Award winner, two
Speaker 3: Tony's an Olivia Award, a Golden Globe winner, at Oscar nominee, actor, producer, director, activist, skyl.
Speaker 4: Master, Mister Brian Cranston is. She was great till he
Speaker 4: has to bring up your Emmy. Yeah, well yeah, I
Speaker 4: could bring one for you. I have Brian, let it go, No,
Speaker 4: and Emmy, you know what f all of you? I
Speaker 4: have an Emmy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: It is the weirdest.
Speaker 3: It's a daytime yea, yeah, it's it's a balance, you know,
Speaker 3: two wings, two wings, and it holds the ball that.
Speaker 4: Time. But it's you know, it's important. Yes, it's good
Speaker 4: to see you. By the way, the retirement was it
Speaker 4: this I'm retiring? Was it a wink? No?
Speaker 3: So it said here's where wait this comes it said
Speaker 3: in a profile the brother of Breaking Bed actor published
Speaker 3: in British GQ magazine, says he plans to take a
Speaker 3: break from acting in two in twenty twenty six. Among
Speaker 3: his plans going to France to spend more time with
Speaker 3: his wife, who's not in France, by the way, live
Speaker 3: in a small village and dabble in gardening. And I went,
Speaker 3: now we're talking about Michael Kaine.
Speaker 5: But I love I love also that, honey. I want
Speaker 5: to spend more time with you, but it has to
Speaker 5: be geographic different advantageous to me and one growing well.
Speaker 5: I wanted to spend more time with the wife. I
Speaker 5: just didn't stipulate that was my wife that way we
Speaker 5: wanted to know. I'm doing this interview some for British GQ.
Speaker 5: She said, Wow, for the past twenty four or five years,
Speaker 5: you've been working NonStop and how does that.
Speaker 1: I go, Well, it's been wonderful. I mean, great opportunities.
Speaker 1: I'm living a great life and it's terrific. Although I
Speaker 1: will admit that at times it feels like I could
Speaker 1: be derivative of my own work because I think I'm
Speaker 1: kind of running out. I'm being depleted of life experience.
Speaker 1: So for the last years, you guys know this, if
Speaker 1: you go from show to show to movie, to theater
Speaker 1: to doing that's not real life, that's living in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a bubble. And so I felt like
Speaker 1: everything is going out, but I'm not being replenished, and
Speaker 1: so it felt like I need to hit the pause button.
Speaker 1: These were my exact words. I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to hit the pause button, a reset, to just touch
Speaker 1: ground again and take a little bit of a break
Speaker 1: and then you know, see what happens.
Speaker 4: But does that mean sell?
Speaker 5: It also said selling the Mescal company admits selling the
Speaker 5: production companies.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what's going to happen is is that we
Speaker 1: were talking before the show started about the simplicity of life,
Speaker 1: and Peter, you were saying I could live in a
Speaker 1: one bedroom.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: And there is something to that about when we age,
Speaker 1: we sense that we need less than we really have,
Speaker 1: and we want to lighten the load because it does
Speaker 1: feel like an anchor.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you want to get rid of the ballast.
Speaker 1: And I would rather have more experiences than more things,
Speaker 1: and so that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: And did you but did did you say twenty twenty
Speaker 3: they quote you is twenty twenty six?
Speaker 4: Did you put like a I think at this moment,
Speaker 4: I'll know, I.
Speaker 1: Said, I'm going to be seventy and twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: and as a marker, sometime after that, I said sometime
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 4: And so they.
Speaker 1: Truncate everything and put it out there and in the
Speaker 1: headline it said Brian Cranson's retiring. I never use you know, Jason,
Speaker 1: I never use the word retiring. We're so lucky to
Speaker 1: do what we do.
Speaker 4: I am, oh man.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you my daughter Taylor said, Dad,
Speaker 1: you're never going to retire. And I said, there are
Speaker 1: circumstances that would would make me retire. And that is
Speaker 1: if acting becomes arduous, if it becomes a task that
Speaker 1: I no longer love, then I'll retire. If I get
Speaker 1: stressed out and worried and not able to retain and
Speaker 1: I'm not having fun, I'm done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll walk away. Will ask you something about that?
Speaker 3: I've never asked you because I know Robin. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've had many lovely occasions of being together. Robin was
Speaker 3: a you know, just like you, a good solid journey
Speaker 3: journey woman, working actor. And then I guess when when
Speaker 3: Taylor was born did she start to pull back on that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What do you have any take on how she
Speaker 4: has felt about sort of.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to suggest that she's relinquished her career,
Speaker 3: but she's working less than she probably thought she might
Speaker 3: have thirty years ago.
Speaker 5: What was that.
Speaker 3: Experience for her, because that's a kind of a retirement
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: It was, No, it was definitely a retirement She did relinquish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was thirty nine when she had our daughter, and
Speaker 1: the roles that were coming to her in her twenties.
Speaker 1: She started working when she was still going to UCLA
Speaker 1: and working like crazy. If you're if you have some talent,
Speaker 1: and in those days, if you were attractive, you're working.
Speaker 1: You better be working in her twenties because that old
Speaker 1: adage of they chew young actresses up in their twenties
Speaker 1: and spit them out in their thirties, there's some merit
Speaker 1: to that. And so by her thirties and mid thirties,
Speaker 1: the jobs that were she was up for and being
Speaker 1: offered were fewer and fewer and smaller and smaller. And
Speaker 1: she said, I just don't want to get to the
Speaker 1: point where all I say is doctor your charts, you know,
Speaker 1: and then walk away. It's like I still want to
Speaker 1: do that, and so she fell out of love with
Speaker 1: acting because it was leading her and it kind of
Speaker 1: broke up with her, and so she said okay, and
Speaker 1: the timing was perfect. She was in this new chapter
Speaker 1: with our young baby and embrace that and is a
Speaker 1: terrific move, lovely woman. The big thing with us or
Speaker 1: with retirement is about purpose. It's fascinating. It's a new trends.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell Jason age, but nineteen hundred, you're nineteen hundred.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the average global life span was?
Speaker 4: The age.
Speaker 1: In nineteen hunders global average lifespan probably and.
Speaker 4: I fifteen thirty one, thirty one, and now it's seventy
Speaker 4: seventy six today it's seventy six. And what they're doing
Speaker 4: they found out the communities that have trees and grass
Speaker 4: and stuff. When you're a patient in hospital, if you
Speaker 4: can see trees and grass, you're out two times quicker
Speaker 4: then you see trees and smokes fast.
Speaker 6: In my head.
Speaker 4: You said it, I was here twice as quick. But
Speaker 4: you don't want to get up. This is what today?
Speaker 3: Why does he have his career and I have mine.
Speaker 3: We're the same person because he's just look because look
Speaker 3: at it, because us you know, wait, wait, wait what
Speaker 3: you look at what? Why start looking at no?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I mean what is that all about? He's as a
Speaker 4: personal plaid shirt. Plaid shirt by the way, may I
Speaker 4: bring this up bit of a beard. Do you have
Speaker 4: clothes that you wear still from any of your shows? Oh, godcast?
Speaker 4: True or false?
Speaker 5: Because when you do tru or Fox later Cranson or
Speaker 5: No Cranson, is this a George Costanzer shirt?
Speaker 4: It should very well be. How far did your clothing go?
Speaker 4: But what show? Malcolm further back?
Speaker 1: I had? I actually I did as soap opera forty
Speaker 1: years ago in New York. I first moved to New
Speaker 1: York forty years ago, and up until just recently, I
Speaker 1: actually still had a coat from this show. And it
Speaker 1: was like, and my wife's going, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And I said, what do you mean? She goes, you
Speaker 1: still have this? It's got shoulder pads.
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I.
Speaker 3: Have so much George clothing that I think it was
Speaker 3: either US or People Magazine did a side by side
Speaker 3: of me and as George and me as me on
Speaker 3: the street in the same outfit, and then did Warred.
Speaker 4: Well, he has baby feet in.
Speaker 5: Baby hands, so he has George show Underworld. Do you
Speaker 5: have undercars they didn't supply.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a documentary out now called Blue Zones.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of the Blue Zones? And it's talking
Speaker 1: about living well past one hundred into one hundred and
Speaker 1: this guy traveled the world to find out, well, what's
Speaker 1: the common denominator here? And basically it's keep moving it,
Speaker 1: do not do not, do not sit down on that couch,
Speaker 1: Get up and get out and keep moving, keep challenging yourself.
Speaker 1: Stairs hills. So they were going to Okinawa and in
Speaker 1: parts of Italy and things and and there's hills there.
Speaker 1: They're walking every single day. No preservatives, mostly vegetables, lagoons
Speaker 1: and things like that, and some meat.
Speaker 4: We do it the opposite in America.
Speaker 1: We look at meat and potatoes as the main Do
Speaker 1: you want to They even diminish it a side dish?
Speaker 4: Do you want to?
Speaker 1: You wanta side dish of a little curage of ad,
Speaker 1: a little side of corn or something. No, it's so
Speaker 1: it's it's keep moving, eat a well balanced meal. And
Speaker 1: can I just say something though, that's not a life
Speaker 1: moving in vegetables. You know, I have to check out
Speaker 1: at ninety five.
Speaker 4: With a burger. You're being you're progressive there.
Speaker 3: My father passed away at the age of ninety one,
Speaker 3: my mother at ninety eight. Wow, so genetically and they
Speaker 3: were worse than me. They smoked, they did all kinds.
Speaker 3: They never exercised the day, and I should I should
Speaker 3: make a hundred right the differences.
Speaker 4: They don't just feel like it.
Speaker 5: Also, L Palmerance, a writer on a lot of the
Speaker 5: show works that used to say, the doctor told me
Speaker 5: I've got to start doing ten treadmill you live ten
Speaker 5: extra years.
Speaker 3: You said, it's ten years of treadmill. Yeah, or so
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, so you so you said, look, I'll
Speaker 3: act until it's not funny. So thinking along the lines
Speaker 3: of what lies ahead. If I said, okay, acting is
Speaker 3: now off the table, Now, what do you do?
Speaker 1: I would be an adventurer. I'd go travel the world.
Speaker 1: I'd go see things that I've never seen before. Would
Speaker 1: you do you in your mind, would you cease to
Speaker 1: live a life in which you express your artistry? I
Speaker 1: don't think I could. I think I could take a
Speaker 1: break from that, yeah, so that I can replenish. But
Speaker 1: then at some point you have to then let the But.
Speaker 3: If I value cannot be as an actor, how would
Speaker 3: you what would you do how would you do it?
Speaker 1: I'd start writing in the start, I continue writing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Actually he's a good by the way, he wrote an
Speaker 3: autobiography that was one of the best ones.
Speaker 4: Why are you whispering that? Because I don't want to
Speaker 4: want some of my information about I'm aware, I'm aware.
Speaker 4: Did you read and I read Warren Peace? I think
Speaker 4: it's about Russia. I didn't have a time. It's just
Speaker 4: coming in as soon as we booked started reading. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I understand. It was fun. It was fun to do
Speaker 4: and very cathartic. Really, when's your book coming out? Not
Speaker 4: why you and I have talked about this? I know
Speaker 4: we have, but I'm going to keep pestering you until
Speaker 4: you write the damn I have.
Speaker 3: I have some interesting stories, uh that I do tell.
Speaker 3: I have life lessons stories that I tell in a
Speaker 3: show that I do.
Speaker 4: It comes from a number of things. One is.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this in a way that it should
Speaker 3: be demeaning to anybody. My personal ego is not up
Speaker 3: to saying I merit this. I don't feel like my
Speaker 3: life is that unique or special or important that it
Speaker 3: should be chronicled in a book and people should read
Speaker 3: this That's one of the things. Another thing is is
Speaker 3: that I think I'm different from most people in the
Speaker 3: public eye in that I find myself as I get older.
Speaker 3: Maybe we can talk about this. Wanting not to engage
Speaker 3: with the world less, but I don't want to stand out.
Speaker 3: I would like to travel with a little anonymity again
Speaker 3: and observe and participate, not as elevated in any way,
Speaker 3: but acquieter journey. And I feel like putting a putting
Speaker 3: here's my story, here's my stuff out into the world
Speaker 3: would be the opposite, would.
Speaker 4: Get me the opposite effect of that. So that's kind
Speaker 4: of why I don't do it. Are you saying that
Speaker 4: my ego was so huge? I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: One of the things like I seriously, your book, Marty
Speaker 3: Schort's book, Kevin Pollock's book was really good.
Speaker 4: I haven't read Kevin's, Oh it's really good.
Speaker 3: But what I loved about your book was it, and
Speaker 3: you even sort of set it up this way, was
Speaker 3: about the kind of different life roles that you've played
Speaker 3: and how you navigated each of them. And some of
Speaker 3: them were very difficult, and some of them were very joyous,
Speaker 3: and some of them were rather extraordinary. I thought that
Speaker 3: was wonderful because I thought it it is inspiring people
Speaker 3: to a look for those journeys and dare those journeys,
Speaker 3: but also to navigate the ones that are harder.
Speaker 4: I thought Marty's book was.
Speaker 3: Spectacular because he's had a fair amount of tragedy in
Speaker 3: his life and yet he always finds a way to happiness.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was an important story to tell.
Speaker 3: I don't personally feel I necessarily have that stuff. Maybe
Speaker 3: I do, maybe if someone was looking at my life
Speaker 3: and said, no, you've got this in this, But I
Speaker 3: don't feel that. You know you and I've talked about this.
Speaker 3: I always feel and I'm working on this in my
Speaker 3: own therapy. When I walk into a room of known people,
Speaker 3: I go, I shouldn't be here. They don't want me here,
Speaker 3: and I shouldn't you ever feel that.
Speaker 7: Bryan, when I walk into a room of known people
Speaker 7: like I shouldn't be here, they don't want me here,
Speaker 7: and I shouldn't Do you ever feel that, Brian, No,
Speaker 7: he doesn't.
Speaker 4: I can tell you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's very funny. There's a certainty about you.
Speaker 5: You have kind of that presence where you come in
Speaker 5: and you command attention even before you've said it, and
Speaker 5: you got a big presence when you walk in.
Speaker 4: I don't, well, thank you. I don't feel that I
Speaker 4: do it in a boastful way. I want to.
Speaker 1: When i'm fan facing, when I'm out, and I feel
Speaker 1: like the more assertive I am, the more I can
Speaker 1: control that a little bit and handle it and then
Speaker 1: move on. Because, like you, Jason, I want a quieter
Speaker 1: life too in my personal life when I'm not working,
Speaker 1: when I'm not promoting, I really want to sit back
Speaker 1: and not have anything going on. I like that solitude
Speaker 1: and quietness and reading and doing things like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was challenged to do that book because my agent
Speaker 1: came to me and said there was there's a publisher
Speaker 1: who would like to meet with you about writing a book.
Speaker 4: And I go what book?
Speaker 1: They go, whatever book you want to write? And I went, really, wow,
Speaker 1: could I write a book? I don't know if I can.
Speaker 1: And that was the It was like, man, that would
Speaker 1: really I'd really find out if I could do this
Speaker 1: or not. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed that solitude
Speaker 1: of writing and just retelling stories and then putting it
Speaker 1: in an order that had some connectivity to it what
Speaker 1: I like, but you like challenge I do, but I
Speaker 1: try to learn from them. For example, I did a
Speaker 1: book on tape, you know, the audible book. It was
Speaker 1: called The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien and it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful book. And two things I learned from that.
Speaker 1: One was I wanted to read this book. It was
Speaker 1: about a reluctant soldier in Vietnam and a ton of characters,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to read the book, but I never did.
Speaker 1: And then Playtown, Tom Hanks's company called and said, we're
Speaker 1: doing for a Veteran's Day. We're doing a bunch of
Speaker 1: books related to military service, and we'd like to have
Speaker 1: you read one.
Speaker 4: And I go, hey, yeah, which which ones? You? Well?
Speaker 4: We had this, this, we have The Things They Carried?
Speaker 4: Let me do that? One say perfect. So I read
Speaker 4: the book and then I recorded. And two things.
Speaker 1: I read the book because it was connected to a job,
Speaker 1: and that triggered a little something in me like, oh
Speaker 1: so I don't do anything for my own personal pleasure,
Speaker 1: but it's okay to do if it's connected to work.
Speaker 4: What does that say about me?
Speaker 1: And I really have a lot of reflection on that.
Speaker 1: The second thing was, I'm not very good at doing
Speaker 1: those narrations. I took much longer than anyone else apparently,
Speaker 1: and I discovered that I have a little bit of dyslexia.
Speaker 1: And I would do a line or two or three
Speaker 1: or four a paragraph, and the engineer would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go back and let's do this. You said this,
Speaker 1: and you said that, and you said this, and I
Speaker 1: had no idea that I was inverting words and things
Speaker 1: like that, and I went wow. So it was a
Speaker 1: little trepidacious for me to step in, and I didn't
Speaker 1: really enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I've done a few of them, and I have enjoyed it,
Speaker 3: but for me, it's I'm just trying to emulate Jim
Speaker 3: Dale reading all the Harry Bottabys.
Speaker 4: It was so miraculous.
Speaker 3: But going back to what you asked him about, what
Speaker 3: I've always noticed and admired about you, Brian, even before
Speaker 3: Malcolm when we first met you, you you show up
Speaker 3: fully for things, whatever that may mean at the time.
Speaker 3: It always felt to me like you were quite comfortable
Speaker 3: in your skin, and that because of that, you could say, well,
Speaker 3: here I am, I'm here, I'm available, uh, and I'm present,
Speaker 3: and most people myself included. That's part of the work
Speaker 3: in my therapy is to just allow myself to go, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm okay, this is as full as I can be,
Speaker 3: and I'm here and I'm happy to be here, and
Speaker 3: let me participate without you know, prejudicing myself that I
Speaker 3: shouldn't be in the room. But you, to my eye,
Speaker 3: have always shown up fully present.
Speaker 1: But I think I think that came with taking on
Speaker 1: that character of I took on if ever I was
Speaker 1: in a place where I was not comfortable, I took
Speaker 1: on the character of a guy who is comfortable. I
Speaker 1: got a call from James Corden a few years ago,
Speaker 1: whose wife was pregnant and going to deliver in a
Speaker 1: few weeks and he was going to take the time
Speaker 1: off and called and said and said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my wife is delivering now and I have to be
Speaker 1: with her. Could you come in and guest host my show?
Speaker 1: And I went yes, And I've never done this before.
Speaker 1: So I go to the studio. I had two hours
Speaker 1: before We're dressing and getting out there in front of
Speaker 1: the audience, and I'm in there with the writers and
Speaker 1: we're putting thoughts and ideas together. It was like doing
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live too, and it was like and then
Speaker 1: out we go. And before I walked out there, I went,
Speaker 1: how do I do this? Oh, I've watched Carson all
Speaker 1: my life. I'm just going to play the character of
Speaker 1: a guy who is a talk show host. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I put. I put on the veneer right
Speaker 1: and the wardrobe of that guy and stepped out. And
Speaker 1: that that's what made it happen. If I thought for
Speaker 1: a second, Brian, you what are you doing here? Then
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? So sometimes I do.
Speaker 4: It's just putting that forward, the fact that you said, yes,
Speaker 4: there's no question about what I'm doing and I know
Speaker 4: I'm there. Is that accurate? You like to control that situation?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, it's just like when we go on talk
Speaker 1: shows to do something. The worst thing you can do
Speaker 1: is not prepare if you go on and you're just
Speaker 1: completely blank. So all these talk shows have you know,
Speaker 1: producers who were producing that particular segment, and they talked
Speaker 1: to you ahead of time, and I'm thinking, what story,
Speaker 1: what just happened, where's it going?
Speaker 4: What can I do?
Speaker 1: And so I have these things in my back pocket,
Speaker 1: and then when you're teed up and outcomes the story
Speaker 1: and everybody has a good time and you've done your job.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out there blank, but you
Speaker 1: never get through everything you discussed when you're talking about
Speaker 1: going on a talk show, and so I just want
Speaker 1: to be prepared to do that. So you do.
Speaker 3: Ferguson when he was on there, Yeah, that was the
Speaker 3: most fascinating experience because nothing we discussed in the pre interviews,
Speaker 3: that's right, happened.
Speaker 4: On the air.
Speaker 1: In fact, it got to the point where early on
Speaker 1: where Craig Ferguson would take his cards and rip them
Speaker 1: up and throw them out because he didn't he would
Speaker 1: just and I.
Speaker 3: Just loved doing a show because he'd people to do that.
Speaker 3: Most people think a talk show is a talk show.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's an entertainment show.
Speaker 3: But Craig managed to get both by having a real
Speaker 3: conversation and still somehow managing to draw out some stuff
Speaker 3: that was really entertaining.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. But you said something to me
Speaker 1: the other night, Jason, and I'm hoping I can share
Speaker 1: and if not, we can edit. We were back stage
Speaker 1: at the charity event and you said to me and
Speaker 1: I and I embraced this because I think it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful discovery and everyone's felt this. You said five years ago.
Speaker 1: Five years ago, I would have been backstage going crazy,
Speaker 1: just clawing, trying to figure out, oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, I'm about to perform. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, how am I going to
Speaker 1: do this? I would have gone. But you said, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not that guy anymore, and you started wondering,
Speaker 1: and these words were ringing to me. You said, I'm
Speaker 1: really looking for and finding my authentic self. Who was
Speaker 1: I in those days? And who am I really? And
Speaker 1: what am I presenting as performer? You sing, you dance,
Speaker 1: you act, and as a performer, that that kind of
Speaker 1: clouds the Jason Alexander, right, It kind of. It's it's
Speaker 1: on the vanguard of what you present, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: need to strip that away and be well confident that
Speaker 1: is just you.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: What I was also mentioning in that conversation is all
Speaker 3: of us, everybody, but certainly performers have avatars that we become.
Speaker 3: And I remember in college, my college girlfriend, after being
Speaker 3: with me for a month or so, said, do you
Speaker 3: know everybody at this school thinks you are the cockiest
Speaker 3: son of a bitch in the world, and I went,
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? I'm scared to death. I don't
Speaker 3: think I should be here. I think anybody's going to
Speaker 3: know that anymore. I keep thinking they're going to ask
Speaker 3: me to leave. And she goes, oh, I know that
Speaker 3: now because I've been with you. But you have an avatar.
Speaker 3: She didn't say avatar, but you have a persona that
Speaker 3: covers and protects that to the point of almost an
Speaker 3: arrogance or a cockiness.
Speaker 4: And I went, I am not aware of that.
Speaker 3: And so early on, even in my late teens early twenties,
Speaker 3: I was aware that there were personality trades happening in
Speaker 3: me that I couldn't account for. I'm sure they were
Speaker 3: a part of my insecurities. And when I went back
Speaker 3: into therapy about seven years ago, and my therapist said, okay,
Speaker 3: you know because we had been through it, Dana and
Speaker 3: I went to therapy.
Speaker 4: I stayed in therapy for years. She said, what do
Speaker 4: you want to do?
Speaker 3: I said, I would I'm starting my third act talking
Speaker 3: about retirement. Yeah, I'm not sure I know who I
Speaker 3: authentically am, and I sure would like to before I
Speaker 3: get out of here.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And that's what we've been working on, and that has
Speaker 3: pushed me closer to what I feel you in body,
Speaker 3: which is being able to walk into a space and
Speaker 3: go I'm good. I'm here because I should be here,
Speaker 3: I want to be here, or somebody else needs me
Speaker 3: to be here. I can fill this space. I don't
Speaker 3: have to blow it away. I don't have to blow
Speaker 3: the walls out. I don't have to be something I'm not.
Speaker 3: I am allowed to be here and appreciate the moment
Speaker 3: and the people around me. That is a relatively new
Speaker 3: thing for me.
Speaker 1: Well, this is something that I learned about twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. Is to present yourself to go in prepared,
Speaker 1: excited and and giving the person or if you're an
Speaker 1: audition's sequence, you you give it everything you've got without
Speaker 1: an attachment to an outcome. If you go in there
Speaker 1: wanting something in return, you're dead. But if you go
Speaker 1: in there going here's the idea, how about this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this, no expectation and no expectation, then walk away.
Speaker 4: Sure, it's like the wait wait wait wait wait.
Speaker 1: Everything changed once I took that attitude that from an
Speaker 1: actor's standpoint, I need to go into that room to
Speaker 1: do my job, not to get a job.
Speaker 4: To get the job.
Speaker 5: I remember saying that we can we can we because
Speaker 5: we're running out of time. Can we do find out
Speaker 5: how well you guys are pretty close kind for a
Speaker 5: long time, but not as well a Jason does Cranson
Speaker 5: or not Cranson? I can ask these questions and see
Speaker 5: if he's right or not. And it's some interesting You.
Speaker 4: See these, You see these three hundred pages. This is
Speaker 4: what the man does.
Speaker 3: I want to saying, also gets to know you. It
Speaker 3: sends them to me and says, read these. Don't read these,
Speaker 3: But he says, don't read them, and you don't read anything, dude,
Speaker 3: I do. I actually have to do, because otherwise this
Speaker 3: slow will go on about stuff. I have to keep
Speaker 3: pulling him back to the thing.
Speaker 4: I will the podcast I did if it makes me millions,
Speaker 4: if I've wasted my time, spent two years traveling us
Speaker 4: my motorcycle with his brother, I know that's a fact.
Speaker 4: I read this book. Okay, was suspected in a murder case?
Speaker 4: Yes or no? Strangely familiar I think so.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was, by the way, it's true, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was for I was for five minutes five minutes. I
Speaker 3: discovered a dead body on route to the subway one
Speaker 3: day and I called it in and it was a
Speaker 3: very strange situation. The person was in a locked car,
Speaker 3: no signs of struggle, no signs of anything.
Speaker 4: It looks like a healthy young person. Set sat in
Speaker 4: the car and died.
Speaker 3: And the police started going, why'd you walk this route
Speaker 3: while I live there in the subway?
Speaker 4: Say you come this way every time? And I went, yeah,
Speaker 4: am I excuse me right now? But there was a
Speaker 4: there was a tinge of kind of titillation at that moment.
Speaker 4: I kind of know, this is kind of cool. I'm
Speaker 4: kind of badass, so in your case. In my case,
Speaker 4: it was a.
Speaker 1: Chinese cook at at a restaurant in Daytona Beach, Florida,
Speaker 1: when I was twenty one years old, and he was
Speaker 1: a miserable human being. So I and many other people
Speaker 1: talked about how we'd kill him. I would chop him
Speaker 1: up and I would stir him up. He was just
Speaker 1: a horrible human being. Well, that horrible human being met
Speaker 1: his demise just as the same time. I was back
Speaker 1: on my motorcycle taking off and the cops came in
Speaker 1: and said, is anybody not here anymore who talked about
Speaker 1: hurting or killing Peter Wong And they and they said,
Speaker 1: Brian crash No. Yeah, so like an APB went out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they put it on app.
Speaker 4: But I had no idea. Yeah I did, you knowing
Speaker 4: alone all right? Was once covered in ten thousand real bees?
Speaker 4: Oh on, Malcolm, I believe I think you had a
Speaker 4: b beer? Is that real? Was it? C?
Speaker 1: G I? Or you look at his face? Here's Brian's
Speaker 1: angry face. I got stung twice. Yeah, I got stung twice,
Speaker 1: one on the shoulder and one on the next.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When you're covered with bees from your head to your
Speaker 1: waist and completely covered and the only thing that's visible
Speaker 1: is your little circle around your face, the idea of
Speaker 1: being stung should not come as a surprise to you.
Speaker 4: And it did not.
Speaker 1: And it was like, so I got stung and I
Speaker 1: had to kind of move a little bit, and I go, oh,
Speaker 1: I think I was stung. And the keeper goes where
Speaker 1: and he's ready to prepare. I go in my scrot
Speaker 1: him and he goes, you're on.
Speaker 4: Your did they have a brock? Why do you say?
Speaker 4: This is a man who says yes to everything obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked I liked taking I like taking chances
Speaker 1: and and trying things that I'm unfamiliar with. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's a you know, the Alexander Technique. Sure, this is
Speaker 1: the Jason Alexander Technique. Now there's there's another organization called
Speaker 1: the Alexander Technique. And the one one of the phrases
Speaker 1: that the founder uses in that is is this is
Speaker 1: that if you only do what you know, you will
Speaker 1: never do what you don't know. And that that just
Speaker 1: really stuck with me. And it's like it's it helps
Speaker 1: me get out. If I ever get complacent, it kits
Speaker 1: me out. And keep trying something nude, keep seeing when
Speaker 1: you're gonna fail.
Speaker 5: I'm laughing because it takes me back to the picture
Speaker 5: of you the beast. It's the funniest visual I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: How I went. He's out of his spreaking mind.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't believe they got just by comparison,
Speaker 3: Renee Russo and I, well, Rocky and Bullwinkle had to
Speaker 3: run through a field of tall grass out in the.
Speaker 4: Ranch up in northern California that could be very dangerous.
Speaker 3: Essentially before thank you, before we did it, they sent
Speaker 3: the snake ranger through several rattlesnakes out of our path.
Speaker 3: Forty minutes later, they go, okay, we're good to go.
Speaker 3: I go, you don't want to send the snake the
Speaker 3: snake guy through it. Well, he cleared the path and
Speaker 3: the memo went out to the other snakes that this
Speaker 3: path is no good. So it's They wanted to film
Speaker 3: it in fast motion show would look like we really
Speaker 3: ran and went you won't need.
Speaker 4: To just run.
Speaker 3: You won't believe how fast these fat little legs can go.
Speaker 4: All right, let's do new thing. How about this. You
Speaker 4: once spent six weeks learning to roller skate, Well it
Speaker 4: wasn't six weeks. Oh you're supposed to guess he did.
Speaker 4: For a reason. It led me on it. It wasn't
Speaker 4: next week we had.
Speaker 1: I had about two and a half three weeks maybe
Speaker 1: two before that episode on Malcolm was happening, so I
Speaker 1: had to quickly get on I.
Speaker 4: Had to learn in a week.
Speaker 3: We went to an audition for a musical I eventually did,
Speaker 3: called The Rink. Yeah, And in the first audition they
Speaker 3: go you roller scale right, and I go, absolutely, never
Speaker 3: been on them in my life. So I rented skates
Speaker 3: at a store where we had to give them your shoes.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So now I'm in a pair of skates and
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: And the only place I could think of where they're
Speaker 3: skating at the time, because this was nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: Four, was Central Park, Central Park.
Speaker 3: So I crawled up to get to Central Park to
Speaker 3: where the guys with the boombox you were and I
Speaker 3: saw two guys and I went, Guys, I have to
Speaker 3: learn how to do this in a week.
Speaker 4: Can you help me?
Speaker 3: They said, well, the first thing you're going to do
Speaker 3: is get those stoppers off your skates. Those are the
Speaker 3: thanks keeping me a lot. They pulled, they pushed me
Speaker 3: on my ass, took the stoppers now. Oh, and then
Speaker 3: legitimately tried to teach me to skate, and I it
Speaker 3: was good enough that I could get the job. And
Speaker 3: then then we went into skate school for several months.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, in a week, I hit the school. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they put the six of us in the show. We
Speaker 3: went to the Roxy roller rink in New York. And
Speaker 3: I will never forget this woman's name. Her first name
Speaker 3: was April, and I believe her last name was Allen.
Speaker 4: But I know. That's also the character on the teenage
Speaker 4: newtont Ninja Turtles.
Speaker 3: But April was a champion roller skater, beautiful young woman
Speaker 3: and she got us in two in six weeks prior
Speaker 3: to rehearsal, she got six guys who had never been
Speaker 3: on skates, skating line champs.
Speaker 4: We were playing soccer un rollers.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My guy was Fred Tallikson, who was a choreographer for
Speaker 1: that that show on Broadway that you oh, Starlight Starlight Express.
Speaker 1: And he was terrific and he got me going. And
Speaker 1: I guess you shoot the doctor.
Speaker 4: Remember shooting? Now I feel left out? He is who
Speaker 4: is not a military code break? A military car breaker?
Speaker 4: You can break the military cards. Oh see, here's the
Speaker 4: thing with your question. Why would you even put that
Speaker 4: on the table? Yes or no? Yes? No horse craft?
Speaker 4: You know what was cash?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 5: This is Johnny Cash. Johnny Cash was a military code breaker.
Speaker 5: In fact, it's reported he was the first American here
Speaker 5: news of the death of Joseph Stalin.
Speaker 4: Johnny ca right, like whoa can cry on cue? Can
Speaker 4: cry on Q? Yes or no? Brian Christ who else
Speaker 4: he's sitting here? Who else? What I do? I would
Speaker 4: imagine you can Yeah? If you're carrying it right now,
Speaker 4: you know he's thinking about driving here. We used to
Speaker 4: on the soap operas. Uh, the look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The women do it physically or do you do it
Speaker 4: by memory? Both? It's a both physical thing man and
Speaker 4: the physical part of it. The women on the soap
Speaker 4: opera who you know, they would call it a cry day.
Speaker 1: I have a cry day on Thursday, and so they
Speaker 1: would start hydrating, hydrating, and you just get really hydrated,
Speaker 1: and then you put your mind to it, focus and
Speaker 1: then bang, bang it starts coming.
Speaker 3: Margarabi, I saw an interview where they said can you
Speaker 3: cry on cue?
Speaker 4: And she went sure, and they said can you do
Speaker 4: it now? She said, which I did he? Did he
Speaker 4: or did he not? Meet Charles Manson?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did read that that you were on the
Speaker 3: spawn ranch taking a horse riding Lesson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was exactly right, Charley, And you found out
Speaker 5: afterwards he was Charles Manson.
Speaker 4: It was creepy enough. It was creepy enough at the moment.
Speaker 1: At that moment, it was very creepy because he was
Speaker 1: high as a kite on horseback and he was being
Speaker 1: his reins of his horse were being held by someone else.
Speaker 1: And he was just undulating on this horse but he
Speaker 1: had no control and he was just flopping around. It
Speaker 1: was the weirdest thing.
Speaker 4: And he had the blackest, blackest eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything was black about it, and his hair down
Speaker 1: below his shoulders and he was just Wow.
Speaker 5: Kids, let's go for writing lessons to spawn. Okay, as
Speaker 5: we said, a lot of written about you, it's not accurate.
Speaker 5: Does does this man actually have a project assessment scale
Speaker 5: where he has a numerical system for deciding on roles
Speaker 5: he takes things he's going to do well.
Speaker 3: That brings us back to Michael Kin with which we
Speaker 3: began this thing. The Michael Caine once said, how does
Speaker 3: he decide on a roll? He said, if only.
Speaker 6: Opened a script and he sets the tandra a frozen waistland,
Speaker 6: I'll put that script down, says niece, a gorgeous sun
Speaker 6: filled beach, bikini clad women splashing through the waves.
Speaker 4: I'll make that you have a whatever.
Speaker 5: The equivalent would be the Ben Franklin Ledger sheet, where
Speaker 5: you have the pluses and minuses and it's certain, callie,
Speaker 5: you go do it.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's called the capsist because the crants and
Speaker 1: assessment projects.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do.
Speaker 1: I had to during the great good fortune of things
Speaker 1: happening for me. The energy that an actor puts out
Speaker 1: in trying to find work is matched with the energy
Speaker 1: if you get lucky of the energy coming at you
Speaker 1: for work. And it's the better place to be, of course,
Speaker 1: but you're still trying to figure out what you should do.
Speaker 1: And I had to come up with a system that
Speaker 1: valued these things and not be taken in. So the
Speaker 1: amount of money that was being offered is never on
Speaker 1: the system. Money is relative to me. I'm not money motivated,
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to be poor, but it's not
Speaker 1: something that motivates me. So if I'm retired and I've
Speaker 1: got plenty of dough and someone says you want twenty
Speaker 1: million to go do that? I go, nah, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I don't need to do that if i'm But what's
Speaker 1: on there is first and foremost is the quality of
Speaker 1: the writing, because to me, that's the foundation of all
Speaker 1: performance art is how well is this structured?
Speaker 4: What is the story? Did it move me?
Speaker 1: Did it resonate? Is it important? And those it went?
Speaker 1: If I react to it strongly, I'm in I did
Speaker 1: Little Miss Sunshine, I had one day on Little Miss
Speaker 1: Sunshine because I reacted so strongly to reading the script,
Speaker 1: and I went to the directors and I said, I
Speaker 1: would love to be in your movie. And they said,
Speaker 1: we already have Greg Canear, we already have Steve Carell.
Speaker 1: There's no part for you. And I said, what about
Speaker 1: this character who is the book agent for a great
Speaker 1: canear Stan Grossman, And they go, that guy works one
Speaker 1: day and I said perfect. And so I did that movie.
Speaker 1: Everyone I've talked to loved that movie. And so what
Speaker 1: I realized from that is they were giving me praise, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you were so good. You were great
Speaker 1: in that movie. And I was like, huh, the part
Speaker 1: didn't warrant that at all. And I realized, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: in the high tide. You you attach yourself to really
Speaker 1: well written material and it lifts you up.
Speaker 4: But you use it like I used it to decide
Speaker 4: on what apartment to rent as far as distance, and
Speaker 4: not that you use it for other things. Well, I do,
Speaker 4: take yeah, there you go, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that until recently that I have a
Speaker 1: numerical kind of system for things and.
Speaker 4: You still came here, which is really amazing. I guess
Speaker 4: we Well it was. It was on the low end,
Speaker 4: but I had nothing else going on. And that's the
Speaker 4: other thing that was the last one on this that
Speaker 4: was Robinson. Get out of that. I just maintained a
Speaker 4: lion tame a lion? Does he ever tame the lion?
Speaker 4: All right? Let me think he was not in born free?
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 3: He hasn't done the gunther Gable Williams story. Tamed the
Speaker 3: lion is not the same as being in a thing
Speaker 3: with a lion tamed it trained, it took it from
Speaker 3: wild beast to domesticated.
Speaker 4: Expanding this one. No, he did not. It was Christopher Walker.
Speaker 4: That makes sense that the Christopher Walker there was a lion. See,
Speaker 4: you can do it too. Trying to teach me how
Speaker 4: to do a lion.
Speaker 1: You know what, when you're doing walking, what you have
Speaker 1: to do is listen to Kevin Pollack, do it right, that's.
Speaker 4: The way, and then just mimic him.
Speaker 3: He said that the secret to doing uh Christopher walkan
Speaker 3: was to take one syllable and make it too.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: No, have you reacted with him? No, I would like
Speaker 4: a trip. Would you not be a trip? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I really would, Because you have to be on your
Speaker 5: toes because toes, because you don't know what he's.
Speaker 4: Going to stop a sentence. Yeah, that's a terrible Christopher walking,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 5: Very much, worse than mine. I feel better about my
Speaker 5: and that's why I do it. I'm here to make
Speaker 5: people feel better about themselves. Screw you, Brian Krant a
Speaker 5: nice guy or so resting mean face. Don't forget so
Speaker 5: before you go, I realized something about the two iconic characters.
Speaker 5: Even though George Constanza was in a comedy and you
Speaker 5: was Walter White were in a drama, your characters had
Speaker 5: a lots of things in common.
Speaker 4: Would you like to hear comment?
Speaker 5: Okay, so, first of all, both steal Walter White stall
Speaker 5: evolvo avolvo to get home, right, George stall a hat
Speaker 5: from somebody's apartment and a clock so he could get
Speaker 5: back into the apartment.
Speaker 4: Have no memory, no memory. You're both poisoned people. I
Speaker 4: did slip a guy at Mickey.
Speaker 5: No, you're also son of Jesse Pinkman, and your wife
Speaker 5: died on the show with the with the envelope.
Speaker 4: She was poisoned. His susan your wife to be right,
Speaker 4: but his wife didn't die. Walter was no.
Speaker 5: I mean he's poisoned someone. I said, you poisoned someone,
Speaker 5: poisoned someone. You both have aliases? Yes, right, Heisenberg art
Speaker 5: Vandale right right, you both faked being disabled.
Speaker 4: You you fake fu state. Yes, George had.
Speaker 5: A cane and realized he could access to the private bathrooms,
Speaker 5: et cetera if he used it, so he played this disabled. Yes,
Speaker 5: all right, you're both impatient. You lashed out at Skylar.
Speaker 5: You said, right right now, what I need is for
Speaker 5: you to climb down out of my ass?
Speaker 4: Can you do that? Will you do that for me? Honey?
Speaker 5: And George said to Gwen, who's trying to break up
Speaker 5: with him, you're giving me this, not me, it's you.
Speaker 5: I invented the not you with me. I mean it's
Speaker 5: very similar. And both of you were robbed. You were
Speaker 5: robbed and managed to keep nine million. He was robbed
Speaker 5: of eight million dollars in a wallet by a woman
Speaker 5: who tied him to a bed because that's all he
Speaker 5: had on Pretty amazing, right.
Speaker 4: I wonder if there's sometimes the same character the same character.
Speaker 5: So what I'd like to do is an exercise. This
Speaker 5: would be really interesting, you know, in a way. I
Speaker 5: should have had six seas. And by the way, is
Speaker 5: it true, is it true that they were looking at
Speaker 5: possibly Matthew Broderick for Walter White.
Speaker 1: They were looking at everyone. Steve's on Matthew Broderick. There
Speaker 1: were several different people that they were looking at. And
Speaker 1: it was only because Vince Gilligan was my champion to
Speaker 1: get this, because I happened to do an episode of
Speaker 1: The X Files where he wrote that episode, and the
Speaker 1: character he wrote that I played was a despicable human being,
Speaker 1: but despite that, you still had some sympathy for him
Speaker 1: and you didn't want him to suffer. And he felt
Speaker 1: that that was the foundation of where he wanted to
Speaker 1: take Walter White, that despite the wickedness of where he
Speaker 1: would go, would still ascribe to being in his camp,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Just as a great tribute if I may to how
Speaker 3: I really know how the business works and what things
Speaker 3: are going to go and what or not. I don't
Speaker 3: think I've ever told you this. Brian and I were
Speaker 3: doing a play together around the time he was doing
Speaker 3: the pilot for Breaking Bad, and he very casually said
Speaker 3: to me, yeah, I've done this pilot. If it goes,
Speaker 3: it shoots in New Mexico, and you know I'm probably
Speaker 3: be spending a lot of time in New Mexico.
Speaker 4: I said, what it's about.
Speaker 3: He said, well, I play a chemistry teacher who's dying
Speaker 3: of cancer. So to provide for his family, I start
Speaker 3: cooking crystal meth. And I said, yeah, hey, don't buy
Speaker 3: any property.
Speaker 4: Yeah you don't. You don't want to. He's not the guide.
Speaker 3: I would not be the guy to or to oversee
Speaker 3: your your cap system. I would not be that guy.
Speaker 3: But if you read that script, I would have been
Speaker 3: away by it. Of course I would.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. I got two iconic character here.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, because you can cry on
Speaker 4: on cue, how quickly you can both get into that car,
Speaker 4: how quickly you can get into Walter White and Jason
Speaker 4: can get into George three to one go? Well, I
Speaker 4: just had my name.
Speaker 3: I just have to put on glasses. He has to
Speaker 3: shave his head. That's not Walter White, that's not Heisenberg.
Speaker 3: And first of all, why Heisenberg? Why and what and
Speaker 3: what's what the hat?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What was what the hat? You talk a lot,
Speaker 4: little man. I'm scared. I'm supposed to be scared now right.
Speaker 4: I don't live in his world. Blue myth?
Speaker 3: Was the blue mistake or did you plan that? Did
Speaker 3: it come out blue and you went, let's leave it
Speaker 3: came out blue?
Speaker 4: Why not? Probably? I would watch the George Constanzo Walter
Speaker 4: White interview show. Can you imagine those if Jesse had
Speaker 4: been George Constanzi.
Speaker 5: And by the way, the other thing you that going
Speaker 5: for you increased hair loss. Anyway, thank you for coming with.
Speaker 5: God's amazing about you. I look at your hair and even.
Speaker 3: That's what you want out on. That's what you decided
Speaker 3: was the little filigree you needed to put on.
Speaker 5: The interview the hair ill agree, Yeah, it has to
Speaker 5: do with retirement. Yeah, thank you for coming in. The
Speaker 5: amazing thing about you is I always see you as
Speaker 5: a nice, warm guy, loving guy, and it's nice. You'll
Speaker 5: never link to you. It's it's so hard even when
Speaker 5: I when I saw you with the head shape, it's
Speaker 5: so hard. And then you watch that character. It's such
Speaker 5: a disengagement. You did such a job with that character.
Speaker 5: It was so truthful and so thank honestly, that guy.
Speaker 5: It's hard to connect you to That's I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: The writing is the key.
Speaker 4: It leads you. And sometimes you look at a script
Speaker 4: like that, and you go, don't mess it up.
Speaker 5: Just coming back again because Malcolm's coming back again, right,
Speaker 5: You're doing a Malcolm reunion.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the possibility of doing some something twenty
Speaker 1: years later to see what this family is up to,
Speaker 1: because the boys now and Malcolm are all grown and
Speaker 1: so they have their own lives and things like that.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of curious, very cool.
Speaker 3: I'm going to end it with one other thing too.
Speaker 3: I hope in my own way that you find the
Speaker 3: time that you want for you and I pray to
Speaker 3: God that you never stop being a storyteller, because you
Speaker 3: are one of the best I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: There is nothing you can't do, and you are one
Speaker 4: of the guys. And I'm lucky to know a few
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: We're lucky enough to know a few of them who
Speaker 3: reach a level of extraordinary success and everyone around them goes, yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, man.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: You're a great pal man. Thank you man. We brought
Speaker 4: them in because Michael Kank's retiring. We want to talk
Speaker 4: about how artists retire. An artist he's not retiring. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a bit of a BS thing. I'm retiring.
Speaker 4: And then he said. However, I'm not Brook, he did say,
Speaker 4: which is big.
Speaker 5: He's selling the liquor company, selling the production stuff, the
Speaker 5: American company.
Speaker 4: He's gonna I see where he's going. I totally get it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: First of all, let me ask you a question. Would
Speaker 3: you I know you can't because you need to work constantly.
Speaker 4: Yes, I could retire. I could retire us so far
Speaker 4: financially underwater. I could retire, But then you would be
Speaker 4: fitting many many people. But would you ever retire?
Speaker 5: I'll tell you honestly, And you know this. I could
Speaker 5: have cut back and done a lot less and been fine.
Speaker 5: This is did this a you know? I create always
Speaker 5: a vehicle that we can see each other, because if not,
Speaker 5: you'd be off doing whatever you're doing.
Speaker 4: I'd be off. We'd best friends who don't see each
Speaker 4: other because we're busy. So this was true, by the way.
Speaker 4: The downside of that is okay, you know, maybe the comedy,
Speaker 4: but then when adlerkly to the comment, comedy, but but
Speaker 4: why would I do that?
Speaker 5: We get to meet Cranston, and we get to meet scientists,
Speaker 5: we get to meet the top people. This is this
Speaker 5: is as good as I'm always saying. I was always
Speaker 5: been for let me yet is there? Could you ever
Speaker 5: imagine a scenario?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: So, now you get to be anywhere, have anything, and
Speaker 3: and participate in anything where you would go, I no
Speaker 3: longer if I can have all that, so I no
Speaker 3: longer need to What would that look like if you
Speaker 3: if you could devise the place where you go?
Speaker 4: I am content here just being I don't need to
Speaker 4: do anything. What would it look?
Speaker 5: What's funny is I could you know? I honestly if
Speaker 5: I hit the lottery today, yeah, I would retire to
Speaker 5: a beach, like on the beach somewhere. But I know
Speaker 5: what I'd be doing by the end of the first week.
Speaker 5: I'd be looking to open a bag go shop. I'd
Speaker 5: be looking to do something I couldn't see just being
Speaker 5: in reading and sitting by myself.
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 3: I I often think about five or six years ago,
Speaker 3: during COVID particularly, and about a year before that, I
Speaker 3: felt like things were slowing down significantly, and the calls
Speaker 3: weren't coming, the interesting stuff wasn't coming. And I looked
Speaker 3: in the mirror and I went, you know what, I
Speaker 3: really enjoy making my pottery, and I really enjoy almost
Speaker 3: more than anything else. I enjoy teaching, and I thought,
Speaker 3: you know what, I had a great run. Thank you
Speaker 3: for a wonderful career. I don't need to work anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm going to teach, I'm going to make my pots,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be with my family, and my life
Speaker 3: is good.
Speaker 4: So I understand a scenario in I couldn't do nothing,
Speaker 4: but that gives you purpose.
Speaker 3: But I would get up every day to go let
Speaker 3: me talk to some students who want to try and
Speaker 3: understand crash and so a different kind of purpose. But
Speaker 3: I think the only people I've ever met who are
Speaker 3: miserable in retirement are the ones that go I play
Speaker 3: golf every day, and they do and they enjoy that,
Speaker 3: but it it isn't quite the next channel.
Speaker 5: Because they have schedules, but they don't have stuff. But
Speaker 5: all these new communities are cross generational and they give
Speaker 5: you things to do, to be communities that are developed
Speaker 5: because it used to be we locked older people and
Speaker 5: you just waited for them to die. Now they want
Speaker 5: to be out, they want to do more, and they're
Speaker 5: creating communities with that in mind.
Speaker 4: Let's go before we wrap to Google Hunt. We see
Speaker 4: what he has to say about our See.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's not retiring.
Speaker 9: He's taken a pause, right, But listen, you never know
Speaker 9: what's going to happen when you do those things.
Speaker 8: You might have some sort of epiphany.
Speaker 9: And and I think what you guys have actually been
Speaker 9: talking about is what the modern definition of retirement is.
Speaker 8: It's not just being in a room and watching television anymore.
Speaker 9: And so I put together a list of a few
Speaker 9: things that people do do and basically go into retirement
Speaker 9: with intention versus stopping whatever the work was, Yeah, adopting
Speaker 9: a pet, something to care for, establishing a routine, working
Speaker 9: part time, teaching as as Jason said.
Speaker 8: One of the things that.
Speaker 9: Actually and this is service strange one, especially when you're
Speaker 9: talking about older people who are retiring, becoming an online
Speaker 9: gamer has been shown in research that that can improve
Speaker 9: brain function and memory.
Speaker 8: And older adults. So you know, maybe you want to
Speaker 8: do a little twitch thing.
Speaker 4: But I almost my friend's grandmother her on grand Theft Auto.
Speaker 4: She can blow people away, kill, kill them, kill them.
Speaker 4: If Froger is still the thing, mys was a master Frogger,
Speaker 4: we should do you still have that box?
Speaker 8: Do you still have the arcade thing in the house?
Speaker 3: If you saw the episode A truck took it out
Speaker 3: as I was willing across the right.
Speaker 8: Well, well as long as the batteries exactly. But here
Speaker 8: are some some hobbies I know, uh Jason, I know
Speaker 8: you have the pottery and and Peter, I I know you.
Speaker 4: Have well you.
Speaker 8: So here here's the few.
Speaker 9: I'm just gonna throw out some ones that maybe hadn't
Speaker 9: thought about. You could learn to play chess, geocachhing. Geo
Speaker 9: cashing is a thing for a lot of hell Na. Geocashing.
Speaker 9: It's like a worldwide treasure hunt. You like go into
Speaker 9: the woods and you find something that's buried.
Speaker 4: Like, how am I? It's not? Then it's not a
Speaker 4: mad is there? Is it virtual? Or is there real stuff?
Speaker 8: It's real.
Speaker 9: It's like you use virtual technology, but it leads to
Speaker 9: an actual thing.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows there's a thing buried in the woods, they
Speaker 3: go and get By the time I get onto the
Speaker 3: jail side, it's gone.
Speaker 4: You know what I discover it's gone. You should have
Speaker 4: been here yesterday, miss, that's our game yesterday if we
Speaker 4: watched it.
Speaker 1: I was, So.
Speaker 4: It's the cheapest have to do because we don't actually
Speaker 4: have to do it. Shuldar. It just comes up should
Speaker 4: have been here yesterday.
Speaker 8: Letter writing, podcasting, podcasting.
Speaker 4: You know it's global warming. The ice cups are melt
Speaker 4: because there's so many podcasts. The iceberg went, you know what,
Speaker 4: another podcast and.
Speaker 8: The last one, and this would actually help us puppeteering.
Speaker 4: Love that. I'm sure you know what.
Speaker 5: And if you're retiring today, if your single puppeteering is
Speaker 5: gonna make it's going to change your lives.
Speaker 3: Jim Henson do when he retires, and Brian had died,
Speaker 3: his son, Brian Henson runs this company.
Speaker 4: They took over the Frank Oz. What is he gonna do?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Brian wo Yeah, he's my buddy
Speaker 3: and I he's one of the great people, great actor,
Speaker 3: great director. And when he goes into the resting scary face,
Speaker 3: the face, I know that's why he can't retire.
Speaker 4: We don't want him at rest. Thank you, Thank you,
Speaker 4: Thanks everybody. Announcer, Noah, now really now, really, there's.
Speaker 2: Another episode of really, no really comes to a close.
Speaker 2: I know you're wondering, does every celebrity own an alcohol brand? Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty much, and I'll tell you who owns what in
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Speaker 2: And now the answer to the question why are celebrities
Speaker 2: investing in alcohol and who owns why? Well, the why
Speaker 2: is the same why as always, it's money. The global
Speaker 2: market for branded alcohols is on target to reach two
Speaker 2: point two trillion dollars by twenty twenty five. That's trillion
Speaker 2: with a T so who owns what Well, here's just
Speaker 2: a tasting menu. Wines, John Legend, Lvee, Brad Pitt and Angelina,
Speaker 2: Joelie Chateau, Miravol, Cameron Diaz, Aveline Sarah, Jessica Parker in Vivo,
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore, Barrymore Wines, Tequilaz, George Clooney, Casa Amigos, Rita,
Speaker 2: Ara Pross Grow, Dwayne Johnson, Tremana, Michael Jordan, Sincorro, Kendall Jenner,
Speaker 2: eight one eight Whiskeys, David Beckham Hague Club club Man,
Speaker 2: Nick Offerman, Lagavulin, Chardoak Cask, Matthew McConaughey, Wild Turkey, Long Branch,
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan, Heaven's Door, Drake Virginia Black, Jamie Fox, BSB Vodkas,
Speaker 2: Kate Hudson and King Street, Dan Ackroyd, Crystal Head, Jints,
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds, Aviation, Snoop Dogg, Indigo, Rum Bruno, Mars Silva,
Speaker 2: Ray Lil, Wayne Bumboo and of course Mescal, Brian Cranston
Speaker 2: and Aaron Paul Dose Ambres.
Speaker 4: And that's just a sampling.
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