WEBVTT - Bryan Cranston on Retirement + That Time he was Wanted for Murder 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.440 Now really, really. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.760 Now really hello, and welcome to really know really with 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.680 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who want you to know 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.119 that subscribing to our show is easier than cooking crystal 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.720 method of trailer in the desert. Plus it's totally illegal, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.680 Which brings me to today's episode with actor, producer, director, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:30.000 and star of Breaking Bad Brian Kranston. What's the truth 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.360 about his imminent retirement? Why has he written his memoir 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.280 and Jason has it? What's the secret to crying on cue? 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.239 And why did he allow himself to be covered in 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.160 ten thousand bees. Jason and Peter also explore the dramatic 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.640 ways in which retirement is changing, what the dark side 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.280 of retirement can be, and you might even get to 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.960 hear what it would sound like if George Costanza and 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.720 Walter White hung out together, really, really really. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.480 I don't like to start off cranky. Excuse me, all right, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.160 but this whole thing I am so off. First of all, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.039 the set is different. We're not wearing the shirts, and 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.920 you're on the wrong side, and we're doing this. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.400 You know why we're doing this? Do you know why 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:18.880 we've changed it all? Up? I do? 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.520 Why tell the people. Camera angles, camera angles for social media. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.160 Social media. Apparently, if I look straight at you, ladies 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.679 and gentlemen, you'll watch me on social media if I 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:28.040 do this. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:29.959 Uh no, good lost you. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.720 I make an observation from a good place. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.840 You're going with change. I'm not good with change. You're 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.360 absolutely You're absolutely right. You got to let it go 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.080 and move on. And I will tell you something. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.320 It is it is appropriate that I say I gotta 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.040 get out, because today's episode is about getting the hell out. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.760 Because this was the really that started us off. It 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.680 was what I heard. Go ahead. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:57.800 Michael Caine Venerated film actor Michael Caine announced he's retiring, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.920 and I went, really, really, but he's so if they 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.720 offer him twenty million dollars to be que in the 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.480 next Bond movie, He's gone. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.840 No, I'm retired. I'm retired. I can't do it Anymore's 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.959 calm down, you can't remember the lines. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.560 I think you need to be drug tested if there's 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.919 something going wrong with you that I'm not aware of. Also, 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.239 Brian Cranston announces his retirement and then I see he's 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.280 got stippy. I'm retiring, but not totally. I may show 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:26.680 up for day how much are you off? 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.320 Yes, so went again. I know Brian Krantzon and I'm 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:31.320 telling you. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:36.080 You know Brian krant Yeah, Brian, Brian is here because 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.400 we have to get to the because my understanding is 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.880 there's nothing about you where the word retiring comes in. So, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:48.959 ladies and one second, sixth time Emmy Award winner, two 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:56.040 Tony's an Olivia Award, a Golden Globe winner, at Oscar nominee, actor, producer, director, activist, skyl. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.239 Master, Mister Brian Cranston is. She was great till he 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.079 has to bring up your Emmy. Yeah, well yeah, I 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.840 could bring one for you. I have Brian, let it go, No, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.000 and Emmy, you know what f all of you? I 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:10.760 have an Emmy. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:11.480 Uh. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.240 It is the weirdest. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:18.000 It's a daytime yea, yeah, it's it's a balance, you know, 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.240 two wings, two wings, and it holds the ball that. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.560 Time. But it's you know, it's important. Yes, it's good 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.480 to see you. By the way, the retirement was it 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.120 this I'm retiring? Was it a wink? No? 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.880 So it said here's where wait this comes it said 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.960 in a profile the brother of Breaking Bed actor published 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.600 in British GQ magazine, says he plans to take a 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.760 break from acting in two in twenty twenty six. Among 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.800 his plans going to France to spend more time with 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.920 his wife, who's not in France, by the way, live 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.920 in a small village and dabble in gardening. And I went, 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:54.760 now we're talking about Michael Kaine. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.520 But I love I love also that, honey. I want 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.000 to spend more time with you, but it has to 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:05.000 be geographic different advantageous to me and one growing well. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.800 I wanted to spend more time with the wife. I 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.840 just didn't stipulate that was my wife that way we 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:15.480 wanted to know. I'm doing this interview some for British GQ. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.000 She said, Wow, for the past twenty four or five years, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.400 you've been working NonStop and how does that. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.000 I go, Well, it's been wonderful. I mean, great opportunities. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.320 I'm living a great life and it's terrific. Although I 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.120 will admit that at times it feels like I could 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.280 be derivative of my own work because I think I'm 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:41.400 kind of running out. I'm being depleted of life experience. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.840 So for the last years, you guys know this, if 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.760 you go from show to show to movie, to theater 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.880 to doing that's not real life, that's living in a 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.640 little bit of a bubble. And so I felt like 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.280 everything is going out, but I'm not being replenished, and 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.200 so it felt like I need to hit the pause button. 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.240 These were my exact words. I feel like I need 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:12.720 to hit the pause button, a reset, to just touch 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.400 ground again and take a little bit of a break 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.640 and then you know, see what happens. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:18.680 But does that mean sell? 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.920 It also said selling the Mescal company admits selling the 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:22.719 production companies. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:24.560 Yeah. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.240 I think what's going to happen is is that we 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.840 were talking before the show started about the simplicity of life, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.800 and Peter, you were saying I could live in a 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:34.440 one bedroom. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:35.320 I don't. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.080 And there is something to that about when we age, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.840 we sense that we need less than we really have, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.360 and we want to lighten the load because it does 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.200 feel like an anchor. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.680 Sometimes you want to get rid of the ballast. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.080 And I would rather have more experiences than more things, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.160 and so that's what I'm looking for. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.200 And did you but did did you say twenty twenty 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:02.599 they quote you is twenty twenty six? 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.599 Did you put like a I think at this moment, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.599 I'll know, I. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.039 Said, I'm going to be seventy and twenty twenty six, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.600 and as a marker, sometime after that, I said sometime 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:14.040 after that. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:15.280 And so they. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.600 Truncate everything and put it out there and in the 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:24.360 headline it said Brian Cranson's retiring. I never use you know, Jason, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.440 I never use the word retiring. We're so lucky to 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:29.440 do what we do. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:30.720 I am, oh man. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.320 But I will tell you my daughter Taylor said, Dad, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.760 you're never going to retire. And I said, there are 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.280 circumstances that would would make me retire. And that is 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:46.160 if acting becomes arduous, if it becomes a task that 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.840 I no longer love, then I'll retire. If I get 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:56.120 stressed out and worried and not able to retain and 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.280 I'm not having fun, I'm done. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.680 Yeah, I'll walk away. Will ask you something about that? 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.320 I've never asked you because I know Robin. I mean, 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.960 we've had many lovely occasions of being together. Robin was 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.800 a you know, just like you, a good solid journey 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.440 journey woman, working actor. And then I guess when when 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.200 Taylor was born did she start to pull back on that? 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.200 Yeah? What do you have any take on how she 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.720 has felt about sort of. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.440 I don't mean to suggest that she's relinquished her career, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.160 but she's working less than she probably thought she might 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.080 have thirty years ago. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.080 What was that. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.960 Experience for her, because that's a kind of a retirement 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:37.640 as well. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.960 It was, No, it was definitely a retirement She did relinquish. Yeah, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.960 she was thirty nine when she had our daughter, and 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.600 the roles that were coming to her in her twenties. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.840 She started working when she was still going to UCLA 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.280 and working like crazy. If you're if you have some talent, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.640 and in those days, if you were attractive, you're working. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.880 You better be working in her twenties because that old 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.960 adage of they chew young actresses up in their twenties 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.480 and spit them out in their thirties, there's some merit 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.760 to that. And so by her thirties and mid thirties, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.120 the jobs that were she was up for and being 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:22.120 offered were fewer and fewer and smaller and smaller. And 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.240 she said, I just don't want to get to the 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.160 point where all I say is doctor your charts, you know, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.600 and then walk away. It's like I still want to 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.480 do that, and so she fell out of love with 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:40.280 acting because it was leading her and it kind of 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.240 broke up with her, and so she said okay, and 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.480 the timing was perfect. She was in this new chapter 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:51.040 with our young baby and embrace that and is a 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.319 terrific move, lovely woman. The big thing with us or 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.680 with retirement is about purpose. It's fascinating. It's a new trends. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.680 I didn't tell Jason age, but nineteen hundred, you're nineteen hundred. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.959 Do you know what the average global life span was? 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:06.960 The age. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.760 In nineteen hunders global average lifespan probably and. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.520 I fifteen thirty one, thirty one, and now it's seventy 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.720 seventy six today it's seventy six. And what they're doing 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.360 they found out the communities that have trees and grass 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.480 and stuff. When you're a patient in hospital, if you 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.960 can see trees and grass, you're out two times quicker 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.760 then you see trees and smokes fast. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:34.360 In my head. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.839 You said it, I was here twice as quick. But 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.240 you don't want to get up. This is what today? 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.920 Why does he have his career and I have mine. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.720 We're the same person because he's just look because look 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.679 at it, because us you know, wait, wait, wait what 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.120 you look at what? Why start looking at no? 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:50.319 No? 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.000 I mean what is that all about? He's as a 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.599 personal plaid shirt. Plaid shirt by the way, may I 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.760 bring this up bit of a beard. Do you have 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.600 clothes that you wear still from any of your shows? Oh, godcast? 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:01.200 True or false? 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:02.959 Because when you do tru or Fox later Cranson or 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.360 No Cranson, is this a George Costanzer shirt? 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:11.599 It should very well be. How far did your clothing go? 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.840 But what show? Malcolm further back? 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:20.680 I had? I actually I did as soap opera forty 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.280 years ago in New York. I first moved to New 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:28.160 York forty years ago, and up until just recently, I 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.000 actually still had a coat from this show. And it 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.520 was like, and my wife's going, what are you doing? 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.559 And I said, what do you mean? She goes, you 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.120 still have this? It's got shoulder pads. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.080 I gotta tell you, I. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.480 Have so much George clothing that I think it was 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.680 either US or People Magazine did a side by side 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.959 of me and as George and me as me on 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.520 the street in the same outfit, and then did Warred. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.640 Well, he has baby feet in. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.719 Baby hands, so he has George show Underworld. Do you 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.000 have undercars they didn't supply. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.680 There's a there's a documentary out now called Blue Zones. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.480 Have you heard of the Blue Zones? And it's talking 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:17.520 about living well past one hundred into one hundred and 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.760 this guy traveled the world to find out, well, what's 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.480 the common denominator here? And basically it's keep moving it, 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.720 do not do not, do not sit down on that couch, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.120 Get up and get out and keep moving, keep challenging yourself. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.480 Stairs hills. So they were going to Okinawa and in 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.600 parts of Italy and things and and there's hills there. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:44.280 They're walking every single day. No preservatives, mostly vegetables, lagoons 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.960 and things like that, and some meat. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.040 We do it the opposite in America. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:53.160 We look at meat and potatoes as the main Do 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.120 you want to They even diminish it a side dish? 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:56.640 Do you want to? 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.439 You wanta side dish of a little curage of ad, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.760 a little side of corn or something. No, it's so 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.439 it's it's keep moving, eat a well balanced meal. And 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.920 can I just say something though, that's not a life 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.040 moving in vegetables. You know, I have to check out 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:15.840 at ninety five. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:21.439 With a burger. You're being you're progressive there. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.160 My father passed away at the age of ninety one, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.640 my mother at ninety eight. Wow, so genetically and they 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.200 were worse than me. They smoked, they did all kinds. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.839 They never exercised the day, and I should I should 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.199 make a hundred right the differences. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:39.920 They don't just feel like it. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.280 Also, L Palmerance, a writer on a lot of the 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.040 show works that used to say, the doctor told me 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.600 I've got to start doing ten treadmill you live ten 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:47.079 extra years. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.319 You said, it's ten years of treadmill. Yeah, or so 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:55.640 I know, yeah, so you so you said, look, I'll 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.400 act until it's not funny. So thinking along the lines 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.959 of what lies ahead. If I said, okay, acting is 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:03.839 now off the table, Now, what do you do? 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.480 I would be an adventurer. I'd go travel the world. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.320 I'd go see things that I've never seen before. Would 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:16.679 you do you in your mind, would you cease to 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.360 live a life in which you express your artistry? I 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.839 don't think I could. I think I could take a 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.920 break from that, yeah, so that I can replenish. But 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.800 then at some point you have to then let the But. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.360 If I value cannot be as an actor, how would 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.199 you what would you do how would you do it? 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.480 I'd start writing in the start, I continue writing. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:39.760 Yeah. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.480 Actually he's a good by the way, he wrote an 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.800 autobiography that was one of the best ones. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.800 Why are you whispering that? Because I don't want to 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.720 want some of my information about I'm aware, I'm aware. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:58.480 Did you read and I read Warren Peace? I think 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.880 it's about Russia. I didn't have a time. It's just 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.839 coming in as soon as we booked started reading. Yeah, no, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.400 I understand. It was fun. It was fun to do 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.160 and very cathartic. Really, when's your book coming out? Not 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.640 why you and I have talked about this? I know 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.360 we have, but I'm going to keep pestering you until 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.440 you write the damn I have. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.760 I have some interesting stories, uh that I do tell. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.440 I have life lessons stories that I tell in a 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:29.800 show that I do. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:34.960 It comes from a number of things. One is. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.200 I'm not saying this in a way that it should 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.800 be demeaning to anybody. My personal ego is not up 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.640 to saying I merit this. I don't feel like my 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:55.520 life is that unique or special or important that it 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.920 should be chronicled in a book and people should read 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.160 this That's one of the things. Another thing is is 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:06.720 that I think I'm different from most people in the 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.080 public eye in that I find myself as I get older. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.280 Maybe we can talk about this. Wanting not to engage 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.120 with the world less, but I don't want to stand out. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.560 I would like to travel with a little anonymity again 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:26.520 and observe and participate, not as elevated in any way, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:32.840 but acquieter journey. And I feel like putting a putting 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.760 here's my story, here's my stuff out into the world 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.280 would be the opposite, would. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.440 Get me the opposite effect of that. So that's kind 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.640 of why I don't do it. Are you saying that 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.800 my ego was so huge? I'm not saying. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:49.680 No. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.840 One of the things like I seriously, your book, Marty 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.320 Schort's book, Kevin Pollock's book was really good. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.800 I haven't read Kevin's, Oh it's really good. 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:04.320 But what I loved about your book was it, and 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.800 you even sort of set it up this way, was 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:11.360 about the kind of different life roles that you've played 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.200 and how you navigated each of them. And some of 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.360 them were very difficult, and some of them were very joyous, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.240 and some of them were rather extraordinary. I thought that 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.960 was wonderful because I thought it it is inspiring people 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.320 to a look for those journeys and dare those journeys, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.240 but also to navigate the ones that are harder. 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:30.880 I thought Marty's book was. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.600 Spectacular because he's had a fair amount of tragedy in 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.480 his life and yet he always finds a way to happiness. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.160 And I thought that was an important story to tell. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.480 I don't personally feel I necessarily have that stuff. Maybe 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.000 I do, maybe if someone was looking at my life 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.560 and said, no, you've got this in this, But I 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.160 don't feel that. You know you and I've talked about this. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.680 I always feel and I'm working on this in my 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.560 own therapy. When I walk into a room of known people, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.080 I go, I shouldn't be here. They don't want me here, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:00.640 and I shouldn't you ever feel that. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:09.960 Bryan, when I walk into a room of known people 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.520 like I shouldn't be here, they don't want me here, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.480 and I shouldn't Do you ever feel that, Brian, No, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:16.399 he doesn't. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:17.119 I can tell you. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:17.480 You know. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.040 It's very funny. There's a certainty about you. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.520 You have kind of that presence where you come in 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.240 and you command attention even before you've said it, and 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.680 you got a big presence when you walk in. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.040 I don't, well, thank you. I don't feel that I 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.199 do it in a boastful way. I want to. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.080 When i'm fan facing, when I'm out, and I feel 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.719 like the more assertive I am, the more I can 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.560 control that a little bit and handle it and then 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:54.200 move on. Because, like you, Jason, I want a quieter 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.320 life too in my personal life when I'm not working, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.920 when I'm not promoting, I really want to sit back 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:06.000 and not have anything going on. I like that solitude 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:11.040 and quietness and reading and doing things like that. But yeah, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:16.000 I was challenged to do that book because my agent 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.879 came to me and said there was there's a publisher 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.840 who would like to meet with you about writing a book. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.000 And I go what book? 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.879 They go, whatever book you want to write? And I went, really, wow, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.080 could I write a book? I don't know if I can. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.400 And that was the It was like, man, that would 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.800 really I'd really find out if I could do this 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:42.520 or not. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed that solitude 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.879 of writing and just retelling stories and then putting it 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.680 in an order that had some connectivity to it what 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.359 I like, but you like challenge I do, but I 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.600 try to learn from them. For example, I did a 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:03.119 book on tape, you know, the audible book. It was 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.680 called The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien and it 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.960 was a beautiful book. And two things I learned from that. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.720 One was I wanted to read this book. It was 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:18.600 about a reluctant soldier in Vietnam and a ton of characters, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.439 and I wanted to read the book, but I never did. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.080 And then Playtown, Tom Hanks's company called and said, we're 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.480 doing for a Veteran's Day. We're doing a bunch of 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:35.879 books related to military service, and we'd like to have 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:36.640 you read one. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.160 And I go, hey, yeah, which which ones? You? Well? 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.760 We had this, this, we have The Things They Carried? 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.760 Let me do that? One say perfect. So I read 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:51.480 the book and then I recorded. And two things. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.080 I read the book because it was connected to a job, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.600 and that triggered a little something in me like, oh 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.120 so I don't do anything for my own personal pleasure, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.280 but it's okay to do if it's connected to work. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.200 What does that say about me? 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.080 And I really have a lot of reflection on that. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.480 The second thing was, I'm not very good at doing 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.920 those narrations. I took much longer than anyone else apparently, 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.160 and I discovered that I have a little bit of dyslexia. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.760 And I would do a line or two or three 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.160 or four a paragraph, and the engineer would say, Okay, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.720 let's go back and let's do this. You said this, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.359 and you said that, and you said this, and I 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.240 had no idea that I was inverting words and things 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.720 like that, and I went wow. So it was a 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.520 little trepidacious for me to step in, and I didn't 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:45.399 really enjoy it. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.159 I've done a few of them, and I have enjoyed it, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.920 but for me, it's I'm just trying to emulate Jim 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:53.840 Dale reading all the Harry Bottabys. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.480 It was so miraculous. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.560 But going back to what you asked him about, what 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:03.040 I've always noticed and admired about you, Brian, even before 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:11.000 Malcolm when we first met you, you you show up 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.400 fully for things, whatever that may mean at the time. 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.119 It always felt to me like you were quite comfortable 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.600 in your skin, and that because of that, you could say, well, 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.520 here I am, I'm here, I'm available, uh, and I'm present, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:33.000 and most people myself included. That's part of the work 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.960 in my therapy is to just allow myself to go, hey, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.399 I'm okay, this is as full as I can be, 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.080 and I'm here and I'm happy to be here, and 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.800 let me participate without you know, prejudicing myself that I 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.800 shouldn't be in the room. But you, to my eye, 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.159 have always shown up fully present. 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.320 But I think I think that came with taking on 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.920 that character of I took on if ever I was 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.920