Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Alie
Speaker 1: and I'm here with Rachel's right. Hey. Hey, So we
Speaker 1: aired the first half of our interview with Blake and
Speaker 1: our last podcast, but it was there was so much
Speaker 1: to talk about we could not fit it into one podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really a big one. It was really in depth,
Speaker 1: but we had more questions and we know you guys
Speaker 1: probably did too, so we really wanted to explore that.
Speaker 1: So we thank you so much for tuning in. But
Speaker 1: we have more today. We have our part two of
Speaker 1: our exclusive interview with Blake. Yeah, and I'm just so
Speaker 1: appreciative because Blake literally flew all the way to la
Speaker 1: from Denver just to talk, just to talk to us,
Speaker 1: nobody else. This is a completely exclusive interview. You're not
Speaker 1: going to hear from Blake on any other podcast, just
Speaker 1: right here on Bachelor Happy Hour. And I know Rachel,
Speaker 1: like we both know, especially from last week, like this
Speaker 1: is not easy for him. No, not at all. And
Speaker 1: to piggyback on that, Blake's not the only one who
Speaker 1: flew out here. I flew out here, yeah, just so
Speaker 1: we could all be here together. But I wanted Blake
Speaker 1: to be as comfortable as possible in talking to us,
Speaker 1: and I wanted him to see that we were here
Speaker 1: for him and that we were just trying to understand
Speaker 1: his side of the story. And so I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be here, truly excited to talk to him, and I
Speaker 1: know you are too, Ali. So right after this, we're
Speaker 1: going to have part two of our interview with Blake,
Speaker 1: So you guys don't go anywhere. I think where we
Speaker 1: want to start right now is with kalin And the
Speaker 1: reason being is that your description of your relationship with
Speaker 1: Kalen is drastically different than her description of your relationship. Why.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think and I kind of talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with some miscommunication, some real miscommunication, because I don't want
Speaker 1: to sit here and disregard her feelings, because like if
Speaker 1: she felt she was really really into me, but she
Speaker 1: just didn't communicate it, and you know, and I didn't
Speaker 1: communicate with her, like that's all obviously. Why maybe it
Speaker 1: seems like we had a different idea of what our
Speaker 1: relationship was, because that's clearly something we should have done better,
Speaker 1: because I had no idea. You know, she was saying
Speaker 1: things that I mean, I had no idea she felt
Speaker 1: the way she did because of the things she was saying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you right there, because she obviously didn't
Speaker 1: feel that strongly about you because she was trying to
Speaker 1: be the bachelorette. She was in conversations to be the bachelorette.
Speaker 1: So I know right now, Blake, you're a nice guy,
Speaker 1: and I can tell that just by sitting here with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this podcast is just starting, but
Speaker 1: we had the whole other one where we've talked to
Speaker 1: you for a while. Now, you gotta be a little pissed,
Speaker 1: right because she was trying to be the bachelorette, very
Speaker 1: openly to you about it. So you're thinking you're not
Speaker 1: into me. If you were really then into me, why
Speaker 1: would you be doing this? So what happened? I don't know. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I was angry, and there's still a little anger in me.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't try and hold on to anger
Speaker 1: because it's not good for anybody. But I was angry.
Speaker 1: Why all of a sudden, you know, she was saying
Speaker 1: one thing, and then all of a sudden, the second
Speaker 1: she got on camera, suddenly it was something else, And
Speaker 1: That's where my frustration kind of comes with that whole
Speaker 1: ordeal is you know, she was saying it's people say,
Speaker 1: you know, when a girl says she's okay, she's fine.
Speaker 1: I think Jordan said it on those that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: she's not. And I get that, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: like not only was I supposed to read her mind,
Speaker 1: but I was supposed to ignore what she was actually
Speaker 1: saying and then read her mind. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: I just wish we had communicated more and I'm not.
Speaker 1: You're right, like she wanted to be the bachelorette while
Speaker 1: we were talking and everything was fine leading right up
Speaker 1: to Paradise. Like if she was mad at me, like
Speaker 1: she had three months to do it, you know, she
Speaker 1: had three months to say something and she didn't. And
Speaker 1: so that's where my frustration really comes from. I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you when she confronted you on the beach, after
Speaker 1: she had gone around the beach, had talked about you
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, and then she finally came
Speaker 1: and said something to you. You could see the shock
Speaker 1: on your face. Oh my gosh, you you're not an
Speaker 1: act blake, You're not, and the look on your face
Speaker 1: it was like you were floored, and we talked about
Speaker 1: it on our podcast. We talked about it right here
Speaker 1: on Bats Are Happy I and we talked about how,
Speaker 1: you know, you seem so shocked and things just didn't
Speaker 1: add up. And I remember I was even saying, from
Speaker 1: what she's saying to what she's doing, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: add up. And we were all confused, like how could
Speaker 1: they have such different versions of what happened from that conversation,
Speaker 1: and then the text messages came right. I mean, we
Speaker 1: have to talk about it because it was an issue,
Speaker 1: and I know you talked about it on the finale,
Speaker 1: and I'll be honest, watching the finale and having you
Speaker 1: watching you sit in the hot seat, it was tough.
Speaker 1: It was tough to watch, so I can only imagine
Speaker 1: how hard it was for you sitting there. And I
Speaker 1: know you've had to talk about this, which seems like
Speaker 1: over and over again, and I think, what I don't
Speaker 1: want to ask the same questions Chris Harrison asked, We
Speaker 1: don't want to go there. But one thing that was
Speaker 1: said from Kaylin and I've actually heard this too, is
Speaker 1: that you were talking or considering about releasing these text
Speaker 1: messages from the moment you saw that episode air, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't what you believe to be the truth, and
Speaker 1: you consulted with people, You talk to people, even even
Speaker 1: the people who were actually involved Kaitlin yourself, and Dean
Speaker 1: said you talked to him as well. So what made
Speaker 1: you ultimately say, you know what, against what everybody else
Speaker 1: is saying, Because it seemed like everybody told you no,
Speaker 1: you said, yes, I'm going to release them. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think Kaylyn used the word pre premeditated, So yeah, Kaylin,
Speaker 1: you know she's the word premeditated and premeditated. He was
Speaker 1: just a fancy way of saying. You know, I thought
Speaker 1: really hard about it, because I did. I it was
Speaker 1: such a hard decision for me that night when I
Speaker 1: released those text messages, I really was, I was breathing
Speaker 1: into a paperback, like it was incredibly difficult for me.
Speaker 1: And a decision like that, you do reach out for advice,
Speaker 1: and especially advice for people who have been in situations
Speaker 1: like men in batnation. And it was a lot of
Speaker 1: people they didn't even really say no, don't do it.
Speaker 1: They were like, if you do this, know what the
Speaker 1: consequences are. That kind of thing like that's and I
Speaker 1: did reach out, and some, you know, there were a
Speaker 1: few that were like you had, like the things she's saying,
Speaker 1: like you have to do it, Like I don't see
Speaker 1: any other choice. And so when people say, you know,
Speaker 1: why did you was premeditator or whatever? It was such
Speaker 1: a hard decision for me. I wanted to reach out,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk to other people, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to see if anybody else had any other ideas.
Speaker 1: I want to see if there was any other avenue
Speaker 1: I could take. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: as hard as it was, I felt like that was
Speaker 1: the only thing I could do to get truth, my
Speaker 1: truth out there. And because I didn't know a lot
Speaker 1: of things she was saying when I was down there.
Speaker 1: Had I know she was saying that I was Silencinger
Speaker 1: and all these things, I would have addressed it all
Speaker 1: on the beach with her. But I had no idea
Speaker 1: she was saying those things. And so when I watched it,
Speaker 1: I was shook. I was shocked. It was just I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I just couldn't believe she was saying
Speaker 1: the things she was saying. You said in the reunion special,
Speaker 1: And I'm paraphrasing here, but something about if you hadn't
Speaker 1: released them, people wouldn't know the truth. Do you still
Speaker 1: feel that way? Um? I mean, it's so hard to
Speaker 1: say because I don't so kayl When we were at
Speaker 1: the reunion and Kaylin was like, you know, I've made
Speaker 1: some mistakes, that kind of thing, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know necessarily if she would have said those things had
Speaker 1: I not done what I did, I think she maybe
Speaker 1: would have stuck to her guns. And I think with
Speaker 1: having if I had just come to the reunion and
Speaker 1: been like I have evidence, like, I don't think that
Speaker 1: would have been that would have been an empty you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that would have done anything. I really
Speaker 1: don't because I don't think anybody would have believed me.
Speaker 1: But you don't think it was wrong. So I listened up. Yes,
Speaker 1: releasing she was wrong, but two wrongs don't make it right.
Speaker 1: But she was wrong had I not done what I did.
Speaker 1: But just because somebody is wrong doesn't make doing something
Speaker 1: wrong right. What you're saying, yeah too, Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But like you wouldn't have known that
Speaker 1: she did anything wrong unless I did what I did.
Speaker 1: Like two words would have made a right but she
Speaker 1: wouldn't have You would have known she didn't anything wrong.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of the point I'm making is if
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, Blake, you shouldn't have released those text
Speaker 1: messages or whatnot. You know, if people want to say
Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna get hate and if
Speaker 1: you want to hate me, but then you also have
Speaker 1: to look at what the text message showed. And then
Speaker 1: you got to say, well, Kaylin, obviously you know did wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am not excusing Kaylin. I do like Kylin for
Speaker 1: different reason. I think Kaylyn is a girl who's learning
Speaker 1: about herself and continuing to learn about herself. And that's
Speaker 1: just a really nice way of saying she has some
Speaker 1: issues she needs to work out. Um let me say,
Speaker 1: let me say this though I I do, I do.
Speaker 1: I am sorry, like I am sorry that it ended
Speaker 1: like it all ended. It came to this, It came
Speaker 1: to like I am sorry when I released. One of
Speaker 1: the reasons I also released are sorry deleted the text
Speaker 1: messages was like I said, I was having a complete breakdown.
Speaker 1: I was breathing into a paper bag, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden I took a step back and I was
Speaker 1: I get emotional. I was like, Klin is feeling this
Speaker 1: way right now probably and that killed me. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I can't believe I did
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling right now. I just did to somebody
Speaker 1: else and that hurt and that sucked. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I did suddenly take the text messages down. And
Speaker 1: I did have, you know, a moment to step back
Speaker 1: from everything be like, ah, what did I just do?
Speaker 1: I had. I did have that moment, and so that
Speaker 1: was hard and I am sorry that it hurt her
Speaker 1: the way it did. It is something that you know,
Speaker 1: I wish it didn't come to that. I really do.
Speaker 1: I wish it didn't come to that shit you're gonna
Speaker 1: make like, I mean, so god, this is ohoo, okay,
Speaker 1: before I get emotional, look at us two tours. It's
Speaker 1: just connecting on it. Okay. I'm trying to Virgo get
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yes, you k okay, Virgo, we get along. Well.
Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive, so I think if people forget that,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm like, very harsh, but I think what
Speaker 1: hurt when I was watching you sit in that chair
Speaker 1: is listen, Ali and I agree on this. We don't
Speaker 1: agree with what you did, but it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you did it. Okay, there's a
Speaker 1: difference between that I understand why you felt backed in
Speaker 1: a corner and you did what you did what I
Speaker 1: have done it? Probably not, but I can understand why
Speaker 1: somebody would do that. The thing is, and this is
Speaker 1: a question that you posed to Ali, would Kaylin have
Speaker 1: admitted her mistakes? Would she have come forward and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I lied, apologize the same way that she did on
Speaker 1: the reunion. I had an emotional reaction. I overreacted and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done that what she had
Speaker 1: done that? Probably not? And why do I say that?
Speaker 1: It's something that my dad always says, history has predictive value,
Speaker 1: And when you look at the history of Kaylin, sometimes
Speaker 1: stuff just adds up and you just kind of have
Speaker 1: to accept this is kind of who this person is.
Speaker 1: From the paget stuff to the comments that she was
Speaker 1: making on the bus, It's like people keep saying that
Speaker 1: things that contradict what Kaylin is saying. And how many
Speaker 1: times do you have to start hearing people say that
Speaker 1: you're lying before you acknowledge that this person really just
Speaker 1: has trouble telling the truth. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: And I know people came so hard on me when
Speaker 1: I was talking about Kaylin, and maybe I could have
Speaker 1: phrased things nicely. But it's not that I'm not supporting women,
Speaker 1: as people said, I'm just not going to support bad behavior,
Speaker 1: and I believe in holding people accountable for the things
Speaker 1: that they do. And what sucks for you, Blake, is
Speaker 1: when you release the text messages, and as you admitted
Speaker 1: you violated her privacy, it was a little bit of
Speaker 1: a step lower than what she did, and it gave
Speaker 1: her the scapegoat to hide behind her pretty face and
Speaker 1: her tears and hang her hat on what you did
Speaker 1: in releasing the text messages. But the truth is is
Speaker 1: that you know if you put if I put myself
Speaker 1: in your shoes, Alie, and you put yourself in Blake shoes,
Speaker 1: how would you feel if you knew the truth and
Speaker 1: somebody is out there lying not once, not twice, but
Speaker 1: multiple times to multiple people, and you know you have
Speaker 1: this truth. Millions of people yea, and millions right sorry
Speaker 1: on the beach multiple once it aired like you said, Ali,
Speaker 1: You're right, millions of people and you know your reputation
Speaker 1: is at stake, and the same way that she said
Speaker 1: on the reunion, she was emotional and so she had
Speaker 1: this huge reaction. You were emotional, Blake, and you had
Speaker 1: this huge, huge reaction. Again not saying it's right, but
Speaker 1: people have to understand where you're coming from. And speaking
Speaker 1: from personal experience, I've had people in this franchise lie
Speaker 1: on me outright, tell lies multiple people multiple times, and
Speaker 1: I have evidence that could like vindicate me, and I
Speaker 1: am labeled as a bitch while other people are labeled
Speaker 1: as an angel. And it takes it's hard to not
Speaker 1: want to say, actually, you guys, I'm not this way,
Speaker 1: this is actually what happened, and and then you have
Speaker 1: to backtrack and say, who am I trying to prove
Speaker 1: myself to? You know? Is it worth it to go there?
Speaker 1: And I think you know that at this point, like
Speaker 1: in hindsight, is it safe to say you probably would
Speaker 1: have done it a little bit differently? Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it is, it is, And it was I don't want
Speaker 1: so this this is for a thing because you're saying
Speaker 1: like this emotion, like I had this emotional reaction, and
Speaker 1: I did, and I knew like I was going to
Speaker 1: get a lot of hate and maybe like I wish
Speaker 1: there was another way, Like I wish there would have
Speaker 1: been another way that I could have done it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think it was wrong. I definitely
Speaker 1: think it was wrong. But I don't know that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it if I were in your shoes,
Speaker 1: And that's the truth. So that's the truth. So I
Speaker 1: do think it was wrong. But I think I'm human
Speaker 1: and I make mistakes and I do things that are wrong.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can't imagine being in that moment, knowing what
Speaker 1: you were sitting on and just taking it like I
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't know if I would that.
Speaker 1: But this is the thing, when is sharing private conversations,
Speaker 1: private text messages okay? And what are they not okay?
Speaker 1: Because I was gonna put this out there. JPJ and
Speaker 1: Derek had a big thing on the season where supposedly
Speaker 1: Derek said that he slept with women that follow him
Speaker 1: on Instagram and JPJ just told everybody and called him out.
Speaker 1: That was a private conversation. Should JPJ now have brought
Speaker 1: up that conversation because Derek didn't want to have that
Speaker 1: conversation in the public. Do you see what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like but it's he said, she said, Blake
Speaker 1: showed that it's not he said, she said, this is
Speaker 1: what it is. Okay, well it's facts. This is what
Speaker 1: it is. So do we think it would have been better?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if it's worth it
Speaker 1: to go here, But like if you had just said
Speaker 1: what she said in the text messages rather than screenshotting them,
Speaker 1: I think if and we actually think we reset this.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it actually aired on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Well we talked about this. I think that if you
Speaker 1: would have waited, maybe to the reunion and tried and
Speaker 1: kept giving her a chance to tell the truth, and
Speaker 1: then you said, Kaylin, you know I have these messages
Speaker 1: we about this. You know I have this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you again. I'm begging you. I've waited. It's been
Speaker 1: weeks and I've waited for you to speak your truth
Speaker 1: and you haven't yet. I think maybe you know. But again,
Speaker 1: that's that's how it could have been called Rachel, but
Speaker 1: next time called Rachel. But what I will say is
Speaker 1: when we asked the question, would Kaylin have said the truth?
Speaker 1: You know, would she have told told the truth to
Speaker 1: be honest. She had an opportunity because when that episode aired,
Speaker 1: she saw it. She knew it was going to happen
Speaker 1: right at that point. She could have gone to social
Speaker 1: media in some aspect, or maybe even have texted you,
Speaker 1: Blake and said, you know what I lied. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say something on the reunion. You know what I wasn't truthful.
Speaker 1: I will address it in the reunion something I overreacted,
Speaker 1: the same apology that she gave you with the finale.
Speaker 1: At the reunion special, she could have said something along
Speaker 1: those lines. She didn't. She sat silent, and she hid
Speaker 1: behind what we saw on TV. She hid behind, for
Speaker 1: lack of better words, her lies. So again, I don't
Speaker 1: agree with what you did, but I understand the anger
Speaker 1: and the desperation that you felt in that moment, especially
Speaker 1: when you were the guy. And I really want you
Speaker 1: to speak to this because I don't think people get this.
Speaker 1: You were the guy from back of season. You really
Speaker 1: didn't develop any hate except for your dance Moths, which
Speaker 1: I was joy about. You really didn't get like people
Speaker 1: weren't critical of you. You didn't you hadn't experienced that yet,
Speaker 1: and you went from one extreme to the other and
Speaker 1: I'm sure that played into your mindset in how you
Speaker 1: also responded because you weren't prepared for it, you weren't
Speaker 1: used to it. So I want you to speak to
Speaker 1: that because I think that's the darker side of batter
Speaker 1: Nation that people don't really talk about. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I like the word you use it kind of like
Speaker 1: I did feel desperate, Like I did feel some desperation
Speaker 1: because I, yeah, coming off back of season, I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't get a lot of hate. I didn't and
Speaker 1: so I didn't really know how to deal with that
Speaker 1: and for it to suddenly tsunami on me like that,
Speaker 1: and it was a lot for me. And you know,
Speaker 1: no matter what we put on social media, no matter what,
Speaker 1: you know, how we talked to people and we're saying
Speaker 1: we feel all right, we feel good, like it does
Speaker 1: just take a little bit to completely make us feel
Speaker 1: like we are we are worthless. And in that moment
Speaker 1: I felt so alone and so betrayed in a way too.
Speaker 1: I honestly, not not only Calm, but a lot of
Speaker 1: the people on that beach too, because a lot of
Speaker 1: them had acted one way to me. And then I
Speaker 1: when I saw it on the show, I saw that
Speaker 1: they were acting a different way on camera instead of
Speaker 1: to my face, and so that was really hard for
Speaker 1: me and feelings as alone as I did, I did
Speaker 1: feel a little bit desperate and being the guy who
Speaker 1: wasn't getting a lot of hate to suddenly everybody like
Speaker 1: everybody hating me, Like there at that point, there's no
Speaker 1: reason for anybody to be on my side, like none
Speaker 1: of my side was heard, Like there was no reason
Speaker 1: for anybody to even kind of give me a break.
Speaker 1: And I get it, you know, from what watching the show,
Speaker 1: I get why you wouldn't give me a break. And
Speaker 1: so the amount of negativity and the hate and that
Speaker 1: just all of that together, it can it can take
Speaker 1: and I'm not the first person. It can take people
Speaker 1: into a very dark place and a very place that
Speaker 1: I pray that nobody else, you know, really has to
Speaker 1: be in, because it can it can get really bad. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: a lot of people on the show that get all
Speaker 1: the hate go to that place. I know Jed did. Okay,
Speaker 1: but we're not done talking to you yet, so don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. We've got more coming up right after this.
Speaker 1: I have to ask show. So you spoke to her
Speaker 1: before releasing the text, messages be a text or phone
Speaker 1: what was it? So so actually Dean at first had
Speaker 1: started he texted me and was like, hey, I heard
Speaker 1: you might you know, release text messages something like, you know,
Speaker 1: think about that, like think about I wouldn't you know.
Speaker 1: That's the different level of whatever. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 1: what we said. That's a different level of stoop Like
Speaker 1: you said, it's kind of stooping. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden I got a call from Kayle maybe about
Speaker 1: a half hour before I was going to release them.
Speaker 1: She called me and she was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of heard what she might do. She was like,
Speaker 1: so what was frustrating about me? But about that phone
Speaker 1: call was she didn't she still didn't really apologize and
Speaker 1: she didn't take ownership. It was a lot of the
Speaker 1: show edited me that kind of thing. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of that was a lot of blaming on the show.
Speaker 1: And she's like, let me go on an interview and
Speaker 1: just like blame the show. And I was like, I can't,
Speaker 1: like I can't trust you to do that. And if
Speaker 1: you think that the show is going to allow you
Speaker 1: to do that, you're wrong, you know. And that was
Speaker 1: basically how the conversation went and then when I finally did,
Speaker 1: I was like, can I'm release him? I texted her
Speaker 1: and that was not editing. I will just say that.
Speaker 1: I mean we heard the words come out of her mouth,
Speaker 1: and that's what I say. Yeah, I was like, you
Speaker 1: went around each person on the beach and blame the
Speaker 1: show and not take responsibility for my actions what history
Speaker 1: has predicted value. Sometimes you just have to accept who
Speaker 1: people are. I am sorry, I mean just time after time,
Speaker 1: incident after incident, it just really goes to show who
Speaker 1: somebody who their what their true character is. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying people can't change. And I get that maybe
Speaker 1: age and and and and just getting caught up in
Speaker 1: this world can play into that. But I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say as much as like Caitlin, I want to
Speaker 1: say too, Yes, Kaylin's been through a lot, and like,
Speaker 1: as much as she is the play, I think you know,
Speaker 1: that environment and her wanting to maybe get everybody to
Speaker 1: like her kind of thing, and like, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of variables that played into some of the
Speaker 1: things that she said and why she said it. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think she's just like monster, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think God yeah, yes, and I want to get that across, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, none of us do, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think. I just think there was a lot that
Speaker 1: played into that, and maybe there was a little bit
Speaker 1: edding on some of it, but obviously, like the big
Speaker 1: accusation of me silencing her that wasn't edited. Clearly none
Speaker 1: of us thinks she's a monster. We talked about Dean.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I just think she desperately wants to
Speaker 1: be liked, Like she really has a hard time with
Speaker 1: people not liking her. So in this phone call that
Speaker 1: you had with her, she basically says, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: this thing. You say, no, I can't trust you to
Speaker 1: do that. Did you ever say or I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty like to think to say, get on
Speaker 1: Instagram story right now yourself and clear this up and
Speaker 1: I will question them. Yeah, honestly, I didn't think of
Speaker 1: saying that. You know, maybe I should have vested that,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have talked to her about that. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I had somebody that, you know,
Speaker 1: the other day or when it was happening, was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you just tell her you have the text
Speaker 1: message and then be like, if you don't go on
Speaker 1: your stories, I'm going to release theasoning Like that kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like blackmail, Like you know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like this weird gray line where it's like just the
Speaker 1: whole thing is it's really hard. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like blackmail. And so it's like it was just such
Speaker 1: a hard situation, and I hope nobody else has and
Speaker 1: is in a situation like that where they have to
Speaker 1: decide to do what I did, because yeah, I think
Speaker 1: what was sad When I think of everything, it's like
Speaker 1: Ali just said, you know, Kaylin, we don't think that
Speaker 1: she's a bad person. I don't think that she's a monster,
Speaker 1: but Ali said, she just so desperately wants to be liked.
Speaker 1: And then when I look at you releasing the text messages,
Speaker 1: it was you so desperately wanted people not necessarily to
Speaker 1: like you. Yes, I think that that's a come denominator
Speaker 1: as well, But then you also just so desperately wanted
Speaker 1: to prove to people that you were telling the truth.
Speaker 1: And I think you have to sit there and ask yourself,
Speaker 1: who are you trying to prove this to? You know,
Speaker 1: the people who know, you know you, the people who
Speaker 1: are your inner circle and who matter matter. And the
Speaker 1: sad thing is is when you're in this world and
Speaker 1: you're you're on such a public platform, it's hard because
Speaker 1: you want people to know your truth and you want
Speaker 1: people to like you. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: and I think that this is the hard lesson that
Speaker 1: you have to learn, and I think like you really
Speaker 1: can be a champion and speak towards this is that
Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna make everybody happy. Like
Speaker 1: Kanye West said it in a song, It's like they'll
Speaker 1: hate you, they'll love you, and then they'll hate you again.
Speaker 1: And I think that the more you try to prove
Speaker 1: yourself to these people, you're always gonna fell because you're
Speaker 1: not gonna You're not gonna please everybody. I mean, look
Speaker 1: where you are right now, right kind of inn releasing
Speaker 1: the text messages. You were just trying, maybe so consciously,
Speaker 1: you were trying to please people, but you were also
Speaker 1: trying to speak your truth. And I think one thing
Speaker 1: in bastination is the more that you do that, you're
Speaker 1: going to get lost in this world. You just have
Speaker 1: to know who you are. Otherwise this world is going
Speaker 1: to eat you alive, spit you back out. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: in the same breath, like I've had a little bit
Speaker 1: of champagne. Guys, this is bachelor happy or so. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say this, right, but what you're the you
Speaker 1: know the legal terms, Rachel. What is it when like
Speaker 1: somebody publicly bashes you and then you can like sue them, right,
Speaker 1: slander slander? Like, I mean essentially that's what was going on.
Speaker 1: So I get like, it's one thing for like to
Speaker 1: have some haters, but you you said it, everybody was
Speaker 1: hating on you. So but one thing I really really
Speaker 1: really want to talk about, because one thing Calin's said
Speaker 1: at the reunion was that you chose to show very
Speaker 1: specific screenshots of the conversation that painted you in a
Speaker 1: certain light and her in a negative light. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I want to ask this because is
Speaker 1: this just making you do more of what we said
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do? But what were you not showing? Like,
Speaker 1: what is she talking about? Was there another part of
Speaker 1: the conversation where she looked better? No? I mean so
Speaker 1: I think what she was referring to was back from
Speaker 1: in January through March. Oh, like your relationship. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I will be honest, like there were like I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it'd be so fun to like
Speaker 1: double date with Colton Cassie, Like I was saying those things,
Speaker 1: like like I did like her, like I did. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a crush, definitely a crush there. But at
Speaker 1: no point was I like, oh, we're in a relationship,
Speaker 1: We're exclusive? You know it was it was always there
Speaker 1: was always that like okay, you might be Bapstorrett kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So I think that was more what she
Speaker 1: was referring to as far as like stagecoach night. You
Speaker 1: know that those text messages. No, well, I understand why
Speaker 1: you release those because that was the issue, right, Like
Speaker 1: what was the point of issue? Not though UNTI hire
Speaker 1: a few months, you're not denying that it was that
Speaker 1: night at issue and Kaylin said it was exclusive. Kaylin
Speaker 1: led us to believe Ali that it was an exclusive relationship.
Speaker 1: And this is what I think people need to understand is,
Speaker 1: you know, when Ali and I have both received negativity
Speaker 1: when we do this podcast, because what I think people
Speaker 1: forget is as podcasters, you're opinionated and it's not just
Speaker 1: about a recap. It's not just about saying what everyone
Speaker 1: wants to hear. It's about having an opinion, sticking to it,
Speaker 1: and analyzing a situation. And I think what people failt
Speaker 1: to realize is sometimes we know things that we don't
Speaker 1: necessarily can't tell all the information we know or the backstory.
Speaker 1: So if you're talking about a jet or I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a Kaylin, maybe we know something that you don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a little bit more to that backstory. And
Speaker 1: that's why we have certain opinions that we have when
Speaker 1: it comes to certain people. But I think that if
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend a positive light on this, right
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about Stagecoach, which I don't go
Speaker 1: next year, like and not even because of the drama,
Speaker 1: just because it's like, I don't know if I could
Speaker 1: hear the word stagecoach again and get a bunch of
Speaker 1: pay you at this point, because you have given them
Speaker 1: so much advertisement advertisement for people who don't know, not
Speaker 1: even interested in country music, they're gonna want to go
Speaker 1: to stage Coach so they can see baterination so maybe
Speaker 1: they can hook up with people. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a really great time people watching sounds fantastic.
Speaker 1: You need to go to Stage Coach and that The
Speaker 1: thing is is from all of this, you're clearly sorry
Speaker 1: for what you did. And even Kaylin apologized on the
Speaker 1: reunion she's sorry for what she did. So where do
Speaker 1: we go from this? And how do we grow for this?
Speaker 1: And I think that when Ali mentioned this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, she was very concerned with you and your
Speaker 1: mental health and how you were doing and is he okay?
Speaker 1: Because watching the video of you, not just you releasing
Speaker 1: the text messages, but watching the video of you talking
Speaker 1: about it, you did not look like you were okay,
Speaker 1: and it was sad to watch. And I think something,
Speaker 1: you really have a platform to speak to the deeper
Speaker 1: issue with all of this, Like we can talk about
Speaker 1: the surface level Stagecoach hooking up with people, lies that
Speaker 1: were told, but what's the underlying issue and how the
Speaker 1: public reacts to certain situations and how it affects real people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so that Yeah, that night that I released
Speaker 1: everything and I've put that post up, it was obviously
Speaker 1: very rough and I decided I took you know, I
Speaker 1: took a decision. I made a decision to step away
Speaker 1: from social media for I mean, it's probably a month
Speaker 1: I stepped away from it, and in doing that, I
Speaker 1: knew that I mean, let's be honest, I probably lost
Speaker 1: maybe two hundred two hundred fifty thousand followers that I
Speaker 1: probably would have gained had I started been posting pictures
Speaker 1: the whole season. But I made it. I made a
Speaker 1: decision that I was going to step away because mentally,
Speaker 1: I don't think I could have handled um that Honestly,
Speaker 1: the hate that that probably would have been thrown at me,
Speaker 1: um and some of the dms that were were for
Speaker 1: I was for sure getting. And I think sometimes people
Speaker 1: forget that us on the show, like we're real humans.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people watch a show think of us
Speaker 1: as characters and they ask for it. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: we still do. You know, and you you kind of
Speaker 1: heard me when I was on the show say something
Speaker 1: to the fact of this is this is real life.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like when there's all these amazing love
Speaker 1: stories and marriages and families that come out of it,
Speaker 1: that's all real. But then when people have their lives
Speaker 1: torn apart suddenly, like that's not you know, it's just
Speaker 1: a show, and that's not fake like that it's either
Speaker 1: all real or none of it is. And that's that's
Speaker 1: something that that I want to I hope the audience
Speaker 1: can kind of take from this is we are real
Speaker 1: people and that those dms and those comments they they
Speaker 1: they make a very big difference in our and a
Speaker 1: very big impact on our mental health and our and
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. And I'm not the only one. I've
Speaker 1: I've had since, you know, since the season's then going on.
Speaker 1: I've at other people reach out to me from the
Speaker 1: season and ask how I've dealt with some things because
Speaker 1: they've been getting hate and they ask how I deal
Speaker 1: with it, you know, And so I hope that I
Speaker 1: can be that person in the future that can kind
Speaker 1: of help people through some of this, because it's not easy.
Speaker 1: And no matter how perfect our pictures are on Instagram
Speaker 1: or how perfect you know, the stories are and all
Speaker 1: of that, like, there are people out there that are
Speaker 1: struggling and it just takes you know, we are human
Speaker 1: and it just takes a couple negative comments to get
Speaker 1: us back into that dark place that that we sometimes
Speaker 1: find ourselves in. Yeah, I like that you say that too,
Speaker 1: because I'm going to say this, but during our interview
Speaker 1: with Jed afterward, I sat down with him for a
Speaker 1: minute and he told me that he had gotten to
Speaker 1: such a dark place with all of the hate that
Speaker 1: he was getting, that he almost checked himself into the hospital.
Speaker 1: Like he was really fearful for himself. Yeah. Yeah, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: It's hard to talk about because it was really hard
Speaker 1: in my family too. And that night that I put
Speaker 1: the text messages out there and stuff, and I my
Speaker 1: mom was on the phone. I was telling her like,
Speaker 1: I need to go to a hospital. I can't breathe,
Speaker 1: something's wrong. And there has been a couple times a
Speaker 1: season where I've checked myself into just like a walk
Speaker 1: in so, you know, therapist, because it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: hard sometimes to relate to when people ask how you're doing,
Speaker 1: people would be like, you know, I've made a mistake
Speaker 1: in my life. I talked about their mistake, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: well is that then broadcasted to a million people? You know,
Speaker 1: millions of people, And so sometimes it's really hard to
Speaker 1: relate to some people. And so that's why I did
Speaker 1: reach out to certain people in maturination. And that's why
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, for some reason, there's this you know,
Speaker 1: stigma around therapy and things, especially for men. But like
Speaker 1: it makes such a difference in the world, and it's
Speaker 1: like something I'm going to now move forward with and
Speaker 1: like it's there should be a stigma around it. It It
Speaker 1: helps so much, it's incredible. Yeah, do you feel like
Speaker 1: you've learned who your friends are? Real friends? Because you
Speaker 1: can be friendly with people in this Bachelor Nation, But
Speaker 1: do you feel like you've learned who your real friends are?
Speaker 1: You know, through these dark times? Yeah, if there's one
Speaker 1: thing I can I mean, there's a few things I
Speaker 1: can take this, but one of the big things I
Speaker 1: can take away from this is I found out really
Speaker 1: fast who my real friends are. And sometimes Bachelor Nation,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll say things privately. I had a lot of people,
Speaker 1: especially people you know, even people sitting in that panel
Speaker 1: at the reunion, they reach out and they said, you know,
Speaker 1: I probably would have done kind of what you said,
Speaker 1: Like I probably would have done what you did. Like
Speaker 1: I've never been in that position, but man, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I would do. But then you know in public,
Speaker 1: they don't they aren't there for you, and they don't
Speaker 1: they don't support you, and real fast I found out
Speaker 1: who my real friends are. And I won't forget. Like
Speaker 1: you know, I know who now I'm putting my energy into.
Speaker 1: In the friendships I'm going to put my energy into
Speaker 1: because a lot of people not only in vaster Nation
Speaker 1: but in general, you know, I'm sure in real life too,
Speaker 1: Like if it doesn't I think self serving is the
Speaker 1: right word. If it doesn't help them in any way,
Speaker 1: you know, they often distance themselves, and I had a
Speaker 1: lot of friends distance themselves, but I also had a lot. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm closer than ever with And yeah, I won't forget
Speaker 1: that for sure. You know. I have this notorious quote
Speaker 1: in Basternation where I said these Bastlnation friendships are fickle
Speaker 1: and fleeting, and I wholeheartedly believe that to this day.
Speaker 1: I said that two years ago, and I think that
Speaker 1: that still stands true. And I think that it's through
Speaker 1: the dark times because not everybody is against you. And
Speaker 1: I think it's through the dark times that you find
Speaker 1: out who your real friends are, whether that be in
Speaker 1: Vaternation or just in the world in general, and those
Speaker 1: people really will go hard for you. And I will
Speaker 1: say that Ali and I are allies for Ali, ally
Speaker 1: are allies for you because as leads. Listen, We've never
Speaker 1: been a paradise and we always joke think God, we
Speaker 1: never there crazy, but we know what it's like to be,
Speaker 1: you know, like put on a pedestal and out there
Speaker 1: for public display, and we understand it. You know, we
Speaker 1: can agree to disagree, but it doesn't mean that we
Speaker 1: don't understand you. And we are here to support you
Speaker 1: in whatever it is that you need, because I think
Speaker 1: that sometimes it's popular to criticize you because that's the
Speaker 1: popular opinion, and so I just want you to know
Speaker 1: that you're not alone at all, and you do have
Speaker 1: allies on this show, and whatever we can do to
Speaker 1: be supportive of you, not ally of everybody. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm plain, but whatever we can do to be supportive.
Speaker 1: I think that your message is powerful, and I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of times people don't talk about the
Speaker 1: negative side of this. Like you said, you can hide
Speaker 1: behind an Instagram picture in a story or a favorable article,
Speaker 1: and people don't realize the pressure that you have about
Speaker 1: being in the public eye. It is not all glitz
Speaker 1: and glad. It is dark some days, and it is lonely,
Speaker 1: and you really have a story, almost a testimony, but
Speaker 1: we're not in church to talk about this situation, and
Speaker 1: I think that you really should use your platform to
Speaker 1: do that because there aren't enough of us. And you
Speaker 1: said you've had people in fastrination come to you and say,
Speaker 1: you know, oh I understand, but then they don't really
Speaker 1: support you publicly or oh can you help me with
Speaker 1: this situation? How did you get through it? You really
Speaker 1: have a platform and you should use that. And honestly,
Speaker 1: it goes beyond vatternation just in general, just in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm there's one thing I can take from this. It's
Speaker 1: I've I've learned a lot regarding mental health and self
Speaker 1: help and all of that, and I do hope. I
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about Jed right, They're like, that's like
Speaker 1: hearing that side of things, like that's I know what
Speaker 1: he felt like, I knew what he felt in that moment,
Speaker 1: you know, And so yeah, I mean it's definitely something
Speaker 1: that I plan on hopefully helping people in the future.
Speaker 1: For sure. Absolutely. I think that what people don't understand is,
Speaker 1: you know, the hate that you've received and that other
Speaker 1: people may have received im fascination even you all and
Speaker 1: you talk about it just for talking for siding with Jed,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was the unpopular opinion side with Jed.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought, sorry, sorry, correct, Yes, for the
Speaker 1: same reason. I empathize with you right now, Yeah, you empathize,
Speaker 1: and then people just attack you in a certain way,
Speaker 1: and it's almost they forget that we're real people. And
Speaker 1: what I need people to understand is the attacks aren't.
Speaker 1: I don't like what you said, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you a low rating on your podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't like what you said, Blake, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to unfollow you. The the way people talk to us,
Speaker 1: it is ripping our character apart. It is questioning who
Speaker 1: we are as people. It is death threats, it's you know,
Speaker 1: talking about our family at sometimes. My family got to
Speaker 1: get MS and my mom was like, how can you
Speaker 1: raise a son like that? Like it got and when
Speaker 1: your family comes, it's changes. It changed everything for me
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, it's hard. Lots of
Speaker 1: death threats, lots of my mom. My grandma started MS
Speaker 1: at one point. I mean, Grandma's off limits for sure.
Speaker 1: It's Grandma's on Instagram. Good for grandma, Yes, yes, Grandma,
Speaker 1: I want to follow your grandma. But isn't that sad?
Speaker 1: It's people really forget we are real. It's we're real people.
Speaker 1: This is our real life and these are real stories.
Speaker 1: And you may not agree with every single thing that
Speaker 1: we do. But just because Ali you said it, Just
Speaker 1: because we've decided to put our lives for the public
Speaker 1: to see, and we've decided to be vulnerable and open,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe to create good TV, maybe had a
Speaker 1: chance at love. Whatever, it doesn't give you the excuse
Speaker 1: to then rip us apart. It doesn't give you the
Speaker 1: excuse to have a community online that has a whole
Speaker 1: identity to rip us apart and create hypotheticals and spoilers
Speaker 1: to talk about us. And I mean, it's just it
Speaker 1: just it blows my mind the time and effort people
Speaker 1: put on us, Bachelor Can tests and just people in
Speaker 1: the public life period to be mean, we didn't sign
Speaker 1: up for death threats. Yeah, and you know what, I
Speaker 1: know Grandma didn't, No way, Graham. But this is the thing,
Speaker 1: and this just applies to life in general, people like
Speaker 1: in place of life in general, because it's never okay
Speaker 1: to speak to somebody that way. It isn't like there's
Speaker 1: a there's a level of respect and grace. You have opinions,
Speaker 1: you can say your feelings and how you feel about things.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a level of respect for humanity,
Speaker 1: for human beings for who they are, whether it's in
Speaker 1: your life, whether it's people you're watching on TV in general,
Speaker 1: and people can hide behind computer screens these days. And
Speaker 1: you know, I just hope everybody listening to this right now,
Speaker 1: who's either driving in their car wherever you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: like goes out there and like says something nice to
Speaker 1: somebody because you never know how that's gonna just gonna
Speaker 1: say that. And as many bad dams as I got,
Speaker 1: like I got some incredible ones that I would screenshot
Speaker 1: and when I was low, i'd read them because there
Speaker 1: are good people out there, and they it's complete strangers
Speaker 1: who would reach out to me be like, I know
Speaker 1: you're a little place right now. I just want you
Speaker 1: to know, like it'll you know, it'll pass. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. We're that kind of thing. Like those mean
Speaker 1: a lot too, you know, like as much as those
Speaker 1: native ones who are you down, those good ones can
Speaker 1: bring you up to so And I would encourage Bachelor Nation,
Speaker 1: not I'm not talking about the fans. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the people who make this up, the contestants, the leads
Speaker 1: that are on this show. Stop doing things, you know,
Speaker 1: for likes and for clickbait and just for public perception.
Speaker 1: Because as I said, it's fickle and fleeting. In six months,
Speaker 1: there'll be a whole new batch of folks and you
Speaker 1: will be most likely forgotten of and what you did
Speaker 1: won't be remembered. It's like, just be decent. Don't tell
Speaker 1: lies on people. Just I just a lot of the
Speaker 1: times I just don't understand what people are doing and
Speaker 1: why they do it, in the motivation behind it. But
Speaker 1: just be you, be aware of who you are. Just
Speaker 1: be real. Don't try to be another lead, another cast member.
Speaker 1: Don't try to create get your own storyline because you
Speaker 1: think that that'll get you to paradise or that'll get
Speaker 1: you the next deal. It's all fleeting. Just be decent.
Speaker 1: You are those the people you're talking about. You once were,
Speaker 1: You got the hang ones before, try to remember that.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask Blake before you know we wrap things up.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would change if you could go back.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you'd say stage coach, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: slept with one of ther but like not even that,
Speaker 1: I mean, like going into Paradise. Is there anything you
Speaker 1: would change? It's that's such a hard question because, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm such a starng believer in everything happens
Speaker 1: for a reason, And like I said, like Tasia and JPJ,
Speaker 1: you know, Dylan and Hannah, and like Kaylin and Dean,
Speaker 1: like it's hard to say I would change something because
Speaker 1: the three girls who were in my in the drama,
Speaker 1: you know, they all left in relationships, and so it's
Speaker 1: really hard for me to say I would do something
Speaker 1: different because I think I think it worked out the
Speaker 1: way it was supposed to. As hard as it was
Speaker 1: for me and hard it was for everybody down there,
Speaker 1: I think it worked out the way it was supposed to.
Speaker 1: I'm really thankful for this podcast because I feel like, yes,
Speaker 1: we got those unanswered questions that we needed for you to.
Speaker 1: You know, guess you're in the hot seat and you
Speaker 1: had a good ten to fifteen minutes that everyone was
Speaker 1: able to see in the reunion special, But this gave
Speaker 1: you the opportunity to really expand on that, really be
Speaker 1: vulnerable and open and just have an honest conversation and
Speaker 1: I think at the same time, it allowed you to
Speaker 1: talk about something that people are really afraid to talk
Speaker 1: about the darker side of things and mental health. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, for anyone else who
Speaker 1: is out there, Blake has been very open and honest
Speaker 1: about what it is that he's been going through. But
Speaker 1: we know he's not alone out there. So if it's you,
Speaker 1: if it's a friend, just someone you know out there
Speaker 1: that needs help, their resources out there for you, and
Speaker 1: we want to give you one of those resources. And
Speaker 1: if you'll just log on to suicide Prevention Lifeline dot org,
Speaker 1: they can help you out with whatever it is that
Speaker 1: you need. So you know that you're not alone out there,
Speaker 1: So make sure that if you're going through something you
Speaker 1: reach out to them. Well, thank you for being here. No,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me here. How do you feel?
Speaker 1: How do you feel if this is like therapy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because no, it's good conversation. We've been talking for a
Speaker 1: long time. Notice, he's like, I got a flight to
Speaker 1: cat always give me. But no, do you how do
Speaker 1: you feel? I guess because right now this podcast is
Speaker 1: listens by hundreds of thousands of people listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1: Um Hey, hey, thanks for listening. Um, your message is
Speaker 1: going to get out there. Publications talk right about our podcast,
Speaker 1: US Weekly People magazine, They're going to write about this.
Speaker 1: Do you feel better? Do you feel like your message
Speaker 1: has gotten out there? And if not, is there anything
Speaker 1: else that you want to say? No, I do, I do.
Speaker 1: I do feel like There's a reason I was a
Speaker 1: little nervous. I'll be honest, I was a little nervous
Speaker 1: coming to that this podcast today because I didn't I
Speaker 1: was just in that hot seat on Reunion and I
Speaker 1: know how it felt, and I didn't. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be sure that I can I could talk more about
Speaker 1: the dark side of things, in the mental health of things,
Speaker 1: and that's what I kind of wanted the most to
Speaker 1: come out of this podcast the most. And so I
Speaker 1: think I did that, And hopefully that gets across, like
Speaker 1: you just said, that gets across on this podcast, and
Speaker 1: hopefully if it just stops one person fresenting that nasty
Speaker 1: DM to a contestant, And that's all I can ask everybody,
Speaker 1: go to Blake's Instagram and give them, as you know,
Speaker 1: give them a little like yeah, you know, well you're
Speaker 1: at it follow me and not right, No, and this
Speaker 1: is the thing, this is what we said even when
Speaker 1: Jed was on the podcast. Is that the great thing
Speaker 1: about this podcast, and really that's different from your conversation
Speaker 1: with Chris Harrison at the reunion, is you get a chance.
Speaker 1: This is a complicated situation. It is not something that
Speaker 1: you can explain in five minutes. Less than five minutes.
Speaker 1: You know. So I heard you. I can tell looking
Speaker 1: at Rachel she heard you. I hope everybody else heard you. Um,
Speaker 1: You're a good person who made a few mistakes. Your
Speaker 1: mistakes do not define you. Nope, shares to that. Shall
Speaker 1: we share that everybody? It's this happy hour? Shall we
Speaker 1: not wait their plaid? But we know what's up? Everybody
Speaker 1: raise raise your glass to being open, honest, having those tough,
Speaker 1: real hard conversations and just being kind to one another
Speaker 1: right here to that man, that was great. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it was for therapeutic for everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that Blake got to tell his side
Speaker 1: of the story. And we just really want to thank
Speaker 1: all of you for tuning into Bachelor Happy Hour, and
Speaker 1: of course thank you Blake for sitting down with us. Yeah, no, truly, Blake,
Speaker 1: thank you and thank you for sharing things that I'm
Speaker 1: sure are hard for him to talk about, especially knowing
Speaker 1: through what he went through mentally, and even that he
Speaker 1: said he's checked himself in to get help. And again,
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