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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Alie

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Speaker 1: and I'm here with Rachel's right. Hey. Hey, So we

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Speaker 1: aired the first half of our interview with Blake and

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Speaker 1: our last podcast, but it was there was so much

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Speaker 1: to talk about we could not fit it into one podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was really a big one. It was really in depth,

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Speaker 1: but we had more questions and we know you guys

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Speaker 1: probably did too, so we really wanted to explore that.

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Speaker 1: So we thank you so much for tuning in. But

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Speaker 1: we have more today. We have our part two of

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Speaker 1: our exclusive interview with Blake. Yeah, and I'm just so

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Speaker 1: appreciative because Blake literally flew all the way to la

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Speaker 1: from Denver just to talk, just to talk to us,

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Speaker 1: nobody else. This is a completely exclusive interview. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to hear from Blake on any other podcast, just

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Speaker 1: right here on Bachelor Happy Hour. And I know Rachel,

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Speaker 1: like we both know, especially from last week, like this

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Speaker 1: is not easy for him. No, not at all. And

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Speaker 1: to piggyback on that, Blake's not the only one who

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Speaker 1: flew out here. I flew out here, yeah, just so

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Speaker 1: we could all be here together. But I wanted Blake

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Speaker 1: to be as comfortable as possible in talking to us,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted him to see that we were here

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Speaker 1: for him and that we were just trying to understand

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Speaker 1: his side of the story. And so I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: be here, truly excited to talk to him, and I

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Speaker 1: know you are too, Ali. So right after this, we're

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Speaker 1: going to have part two of our interview with Blake,

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Speaker 1: So you guys don't go anywhere. I think where we

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Speaker 1: want to start right now is with kalin And the

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Speaker 1: reason being is that your description of your relationship with

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Speaker 1: Kalen is drastically different than her description of your relationship. Why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think and I kind of talked about this,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 1: with some miscommunication, some real miscommunication, because I don't want

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Speaker 1: to sit here and disregard her feelings, because like if

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Speaker 1: just didn't communicate it, and you know, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: communicate with her, like that's all obviously. Why maybe it

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Speaker 1: seems like we had a different idea of what our

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Speaker 1: relationship was, because that's clearly something we should have done better,

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Speaker 1: because I had no idea. You know, she was saying

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you right there, because she obviously didn't

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Speaker 1: feel that strongly about you because she was trying to

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Speaker 1: be the bachelorette. She was in conversations to be the bachelorette.

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Speaker 1: So I know right now, Blake, you're a nice guy,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell that just by sitting here with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this podcast is just starting, but

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Speaker 1: we had the whole other one where we've talked to

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Speaker 1: you for a while. Now, you gotta be a little pissed,

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Speaker 1: right because she was trying to be the bachelorette, very

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Speaker 1: openly to you about it. So you're thinking you're not

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Speaker 1: into me. If you were really then into me, why

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Speaker 1: would you be doing this? So what happened? I don't know. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't try and hold on to anger

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Speaker 1: Why all of a sudden, you know, she was saying

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Speaker 1: That's where my frustration kind of comes with that whole

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan said it on those that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I just wish we had communicated more and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: You're right, like she wanted to be the bachelorette while

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Speaker 1: it was like you were floored, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: and then the text messages came right. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: and I know you talked about it on the finale,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be honest, watching the finale and having you

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Speaker 1: It was tough to watch, so I can only imagine

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Speaker 1: don't want to go there. But one thing that was

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Speaker 1: you consulted with people, You talk to people, even even

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Speaker 1: the people who were actually involved Kaitlin yourself, and Dean

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Speaker 1: I think Kaylyn used the word pre premeditated, So yeah, Kaylin,

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Speaker 1: And a decision like that, you do reach out for advice,

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Speaker 1: But she was wrong had I not done what I did.

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Speaker 1: played into that, and maybe there was a little bit

429
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: edding on some of it, but obviously, like the big

430
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 1: accusation of me silencing her that wasn't edited. Clearly none

431
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: of us thinks she's a monster. We talked about Dean.

432
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, I just think she desperately wants to

433
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: be liked, Like she really has a hard time with

434
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: people not liking her. So in this phone call that

435
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: you had with her, she basically says, I'm gonna do

436
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: this thing. You say, no, I can't trust you to

437
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: do that. Did you ever say or I mean, obviously

438
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty like to think to say, get on

439
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: Instagram story right now yourself and clear this up and

440
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: I will question them. Yeah, honestly, I didn't think of

441
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: saying that. You know, maybe I should have vested that,

442
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: maybe I should have talked to her about that. But

443
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: at the same time, I had somebody that, you know,

444
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: the other day or when it was happening, was like,

445
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 1: why don't you just tell her you have the text

446
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: message and then be like, if you don't go on

447
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: your stories, I'm going to release theasoning Like that kind

448
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: of sounds like blackmail, Like you know, it's like it's

449
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: like this weird gray line where it's like just the

450
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: whole thing is it's really hard. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's

451
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: like blackmail. And so it's like it was just such

452
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: a hard situation, and I hope nobody else has and

453
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: is in a situation like that where they have to

454
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: decide to do what I did, because yeah, I think

455
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: what was sad When I think of everything, it's like

456
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: Ali just said, you know, Kaylin, we don't think that

457
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: she's a bad person. I don't think that she's a monster,

458
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: but Ali said, she just so desperately wants to be liked.

459
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: And then when I look at you releasing the text messages,

460
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: it was you so desperately wanted people not necessarily to

461
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: like you. Yes, I think that that's a come denominator

462
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: as well, But then you also just so desperately wanted

463
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: to prove to people that you were telling the truth.

464
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: And I think you have to sit there and ask yourself,

465
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: who are you trying to prove this to? You know,

466
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: the people who know, you know you, the people who

467
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: are your inner circle and who matter matter. And the

468
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: sad thing is is when you're in this world and

469
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: you're you're on such a public platform, it's hard because

470
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: you want people to know your truth and you want

471
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: people to like you. But at the end of the day,

472
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: and I think that this is the hard lesson that

473
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: you have to learn, and I think like you really

474
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: can be a champion and speak towards this is that

475
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna make everybody happy. Like

476
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: Kanye West said it in a song, It's like they'll

477
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: hate you, they'll love you, and then they'll hate you again.

478
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: And I think that the more you try to prove

479
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: yourself to these people, you're always gonna fell because you're

480
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: not gonna You're not gonna please everybody. I mean, look

481
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: where you are right now, right kind of inn releasing

482
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: the text messages. You were just trying, maybe so consciously,

483
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: you were trying to please people, but you were also

484
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: trying to speak your truth. And I think one thing

485
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: in bastination is the more that you do that, you're

486
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: going to get lost in this world. You just have

487
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: to know who you are. Otherwise this world is going

488
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: to eat you alive, spit you back out. Yeah, but

489
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: in the same breath, like I've had a little bit

490
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: of champagne. Guys, this is bachelor happy or so. I'm

491
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: not gonna say this, right, but what you're the you

492
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: know the legal terms, Rachel. What is it when like

493
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: somebody publicly bashes you and then you can like sue them, right,

494
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: slander slander? Like, I mean essentially that's what was going on.

495
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: So I get like, it's one thing for like to

496
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: have some haters, but you you said it, everybody was

497
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: hating on you. So but one thing I really really

498
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: really want to talk about, because one thing Calin's said

499
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: at the reunion was that you chose to show very

500
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: specific screenshots of the conversation that painted you in a

501
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: certain light and her in a negative light. I don't

502
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: even know if I want to ask this because is

503
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: this just making you do more of what we said

504
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do? But what were you not showing? Like,

505
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: what is she talking about? Was there another part of

506
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: the conversation where she looked better? No? I mean so

507
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: I think what she was referring to was back from

508
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: in January through March. Oh, like your relationship. Yeah. Yeah,

509
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: And I will be honest, like there were like I

510
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it'd be so fun to like

511
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: double date with Colton Cassie, Like I was saying those things,

512
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: like like I did like her, like I did. You know,

513
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: there was a crush, definitely a crush there. But at

514
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: no point was I like, oh, we're in a relationship,

515
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 1: We're exclusive? You know it was it was always there

516
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: was always that like okay, you might be Bapstorrett kind

517
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: of thing. So I think that was more what she

518
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: was referring to as far as like stagecoach night. You

519
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: know that those text messages. No, well, I understand why

520
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you release those because that was the issue, right, Like

521
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: what was the point of issue? Not though UNTI hire

522
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: a few months, you're not denying that it was that

523
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: night at issue and Kaylin said it was exclusive. Kaylin

524
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: led us to believe Ali that it was an exclusive relationship.

525
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: And this is what I think people need to understand is,

526
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, when Ali and I have both received negativity

527
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: when we do this podcast, because what I think people

528
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: forget is as podcasters, you're opinionated and it's not just

529
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: about a recap. It's not just about saying what everyone

530
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: wants to hear. It's about having an opinion, sticking to it,

531
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: and analyzing a situation. And I think what people failt

532
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: to realize is sometimes we know things that we don't

533
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: necessarily can't tell all the information we know or the backstory.

534
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: So if you're talking about a jet or I'm talking

535
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: about a Kaylin, maybe we know something that you don't know.

536
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a little bit more to that backstory. And

537
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: that's why we have certain opinions that we have when

538
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: it comes to certain people. But I think that if

539
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend a positive light on this, right

540
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about Stagecoach, which I don't go

541
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: next year, like and not even because of the drama,

542
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: just because it's like, I don't know if I could

543
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: hear the word stagecoach again and get a bunch of

544
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: pay you at this point, because you have given them

545
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: so much advertisement advertisement for people who don't know, not

546
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: even interested in country music, they're gonna want to go

547
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: to stage Coach so they can see baterination so maybe

548
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: they can hook up with people. I don't know. It

549
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a really great time people watching sounds fantastic.

550
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: You need to go to Stage Coach and that The

551
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: thing is is from all of this, you're clearly sorry

552
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: for what you did. And even Kaylin apologized on the

553
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: reunion she's sorry for what she did. So where do

554
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: we go from this? And how do we grow for this?

555
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: And I think that when Ali mentioned this on the

556
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: podcast before, she was very concerned with you and your

557
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: mental health and how you were doing and is he okay?

558
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Because watching the video of you, not just you releasing

559
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: the text messages, but watching the video of you talking

560
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: about it, you did not look like you were okay,

561
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: and it was sad to watch. And I think something,

562
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: you really have a platform to speak to the deeper

563
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: issue with all of this, Like we can talk about

564
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: the surface level Stagecoach hooking up with people, lies that

565
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: were told, but what's the underlying issue and how the

566
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: public reacts to certain situations and how it affects real people. Yeah,

567
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean so that Yeah, that night that I released

568
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: everything and I've put that post up, it was obviously

569
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: very rough and I decided I took you know, I

570
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: took a decision. I made a decision to step away

571
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: from social media for I mean, it's probably a month

572
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I stepped away from it, and in doing that, I

573
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: knew that I mean, let's be honest, I probably lost

574
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: maybe two hundred two hundred fifty thousand followers that I

575
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: probably would have gained had I started been posting pictures

576
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: the whole season. But I made it. I made a

577
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: decision that I was going to step away because mentally,

578
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I could have handled um that Honestly,

579
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: the hate that that probably would have been thrown at me,

580
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: um and some of the dms that were were for

581
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: I was for sure getting. And I think sometimes people

582
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: forget that us on the show, like we're real humans.

583
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people watch a show think of us

584
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: as characters and they ask for it. Yeah, yeah, and

585
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: we still do. You know, and you you kind of

586
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: heard me when I was on the show say something

587
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: to the fact of this is this is real life.

588
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: You know. It's like when there's all these amazing love

589
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: stories and marriages and families that come out of it,

590
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: that's all real. But then when people have their lives

591
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: torn apart suddenly, like that's not you know, it's just

592
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: a show, and that's not fake like that it's either

593
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: all real or none of it is. And that's that's

594
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: something that that I want to I hope the audience

595
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: can kind of take from this is we are real

596
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: people and that those dms and those comments they they

597
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: they make a very big difference in our and a

598
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: very big impact on our mental health and our and

599
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. And I'm not the only one. I've

600
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: I've had since, you know, since the season's then going on.

601
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I've at other people reach out to me from the

602
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: season and ask how I've dealt with some things because

603
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: they've been getting hate and they ask how I deal

604
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: with it, you know, And so I hope that I

605
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: can be that person in the future that can kind

606
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: of help people through some of this, because it's not easy.

607
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: And no matter how perfect our pictures are on Instagram

608
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: or how perfect you know, the stories are and all

609
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: of that, like, there are people out there that are

610
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: struggling and it just takes you know, we are human

611
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: and it just takes a couple negative comments to get

612
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: us back into that dark place that that we sometimes

613
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: find ourselves in. Yeah, I like that you say that too,

614
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: because I'm going to say this, but during our interview

615
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: with Jed afterward, I sat down with him for a

616
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: minute and he told me that he had gotten to

617
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: such a dark place with all of the hate that

618
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: he was getting, that he almost checked himself into the hospital.

619
00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: Like he was really fearful for himself. Yeah. Yeah, uh yeah.

620
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to talk about because it was really hard

621
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: in my family too. And that night that I put

622
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: the text messages out there and stuff, and I my

623
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: mom was on the phone. I was telling her like,

624
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I need to go to a hospital. I can't breathe,

625
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: something's wrong. And there has been a couple times a

626
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: season where I've checked myself into just like a walk

627
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: in so, you know, therapist, because it's it's it's it's

628
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: hard sometimes to relate to when people ask how you're doing,

629
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: people would be like, you know, I've made a mistake

630
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: in my life. I talked about their mistake, and I'm like, well,

631
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: well is that then broadcasted to a million people? You know,

632
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: millions of people, And so sometimes it's really hard to

633
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: relate to some people. And so that's why I did

634
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: reach out to certain people in maturination. And that's why

635
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, for some reason, there's this you know,

636
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: stigma around therapy and things, especially for men. But like

637
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: it makes such a difference in the world, and it's

638
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: like something I'm going to now move forward with and

639
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: like it's there should be a stigma around it. It It

640
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: helps so much, it's incredible. Yeah, do you feel like

641
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: you've learned who your friends are? Real friends? Because you

642
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: can be friendly with people in this Bachelor Nation, But

643
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: do you feel like you've learned who your real friends are?

644
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: You know, through these dark times? Yeah, if there's one

645
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: thing I can I mean, there's a few things I

646
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: can take this, but one of the big things I

647
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: can take away from this is I found out really

648
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: fast who my real friends are. And sometimes Bachelor Nation,

649
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: they'll they'll say things privately. I had a lot of people,

650
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: especially people you know, even people sitting in that panel

651
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: at the reunion, they reach out and they said, you know,

652
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: I probably would have done kind of what you said,

653
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Like I probably would have done what you did. Like

654
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: I've never been in that position, but man, I don't

655
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: know what I would do. But then you know in public,

656
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: they don't they aren't there for you, and they don't

657
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: they don't support you, and real fast I found out

658
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: who my real friends are. And I won't forget. Like

659
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, I know who now I'm putting my energy into.

660
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: In the friendships I'm going to put my energy into

661
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: because a lot of people not only in vaster Nation

662
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: but in general, you know, I'm sure in real life too,

663
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Like if it doesn't I think self serving is the

664
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: right word. If it doesn't help them in any way,

665
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, they often distance themselves, and I had a

666
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of friends distance themselves, but I also had a lot. Honestly,

667
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm closer than ever with And yeah, I won't forget

668
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: that for sure. You know. I have this notorious quote

669
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: in Basternation where I said these Bastlnation friendships are fickle

670
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: and fleeting, and I wholeheartedly believe that to this day.

671
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I said that two years ago, and I think that

672
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: that still stands true. And I think that it's through

673
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: the dark times because not everybody is against you. And

674
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: I think it's through the dark times that you find

675
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: out who your real friends are, whether that be in

676
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Vaternation or just in the world in general, and those

677
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: people really will go hard for you. And I will

678
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: say that Ali and I are allies for Ali, ally

679
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: are allies for you because as leads. Listen, We've never

680
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: been a paradise and we always joke think God, we

681
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: never there crazy, but we know what it's like to be,

682
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, like put on a pedestal and out there

683
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: for public display, and we understand it. You know, we

684
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: can agree to disagree, but it doesn't mean that we

685
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: don't understand you. And we are here to support you

686
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: in whatever it is that you need, because I think

687
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: that sometimes it's popular to criticize you because that's the

688
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: popular opinion, and so I just want you to know

689
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: that you're not alone at all, and you do have

690
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: allies on this show, and whatever we can do to

691
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: be supportive of you, not ally of everybody. So that's

692
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: why I'm plain, but whatever we can do to be supportive.

693
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: I think that your message is powerful, and I think

694
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: that a lot of times people don't talk about the

695
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: negative side of this. Like you said, you can hide

696
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: behind an Instagram picture in a story or a favorable article,

697
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: and people don't realize the pressure that you have about

698
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: being in the public eye. It is not all glitz

699
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: and glad. It is dark some days, and it is lonely,

700
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: and you really have a story, almost a testimony, but

701
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: we're not in church to talk about this situation, and

702
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: I think that you really should use your platform to

703
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: do that because there aren't enough of us. And you

704
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: said you've had people in fastrination come to you and say,

705
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, oh I understand, but then they don't really

706
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: support you publicly or oh can you help me with

707
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: this situation? How did you get through it? You really

708
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: have a platform and you should use that. And honestly,

709
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: it goes beyond vatternation just in general, just in general. Yeah,

710
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm there's one thing I can take from this. It's

711
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: I've I've learned a lot regarding mental health and self

712
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: help and all of that, and I do hope. I

713
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about Jed right, They're like, that's like

714
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: hearing that side of things, like that's I know what

715
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: he felt like, I knew what he felt in that moment,

716
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, And so yeah, I mean it's definitely something

717
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: that I plan on hopefully helping people in the future.

718
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: For sure. Absolutely. I think that what people don't understand is,

719
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, the hate that you've received and that other

720
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: people may have received im fascination even you all and

721
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: you talk about it just for talking for siding with Jed,

722
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it was the unpopular opinion side with Jed.

723
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought, sorry, sorry, correct, Yes, for the

724
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: same reason. I empathize with you right now, Yeah, you empathize,

725
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: and then people just attack you in a certain way,

726
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: and it's almost they forget that we're real people. And

727
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: what I need people to understand is the attacks aren't.

728
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't like what you said, you know, and I'm

729
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: going to give you a low rating on your podcast.

730
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: I don't like what you said, Blake, and I'm going

731
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: to unfollow you. The the way people talk to us,

732
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: it is ripping our character apart. It is questioning who

733
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: we are as people. It is death threats, it's you know,

734
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: talking about our family at sometimes. My family got to

735
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: get MS and my mom was like, how can you

736
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: raise a son like that? Like it got and when

737
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: your family comes, it's changes. It changed everything for me

738
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, it's hard. Lots of

739
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: death threats, lots of my mom. My grandma started MS

740
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: at one point. I mean, Grandma's off limits for sure.

741
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: It's Grandma's on Instagram. Good for grandma, Yes, yes, Grandma,

742
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: I want to follow your grandma. But isn't that sad?

743
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: It's people really forget we are real. It's we're real people.

744
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: This is our real life and these are real stories.

745
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: And you may not agree with every single thing that

746
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: we do. But just because Ali you said it, Just

747
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: because we've decided to put our lives for the public

748
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: to see, and we've decided to be vulnerable and open,

749
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, maybe to create good TV, maybe had a

750
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: chance at love. Whatever, it doesn't give you the excuse

751
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: to then rip us apart. It doesn't give you the

752
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: excuse to have a community online that has a whole

753
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: identity to rip us apart and create hypotheticals and spoilers

754
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: to talk about us. And I mean, it's just it

755
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: just it blows my mind the time and effort people

756
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: put on us, Bachelor Can tests and just people in

757
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: the public life period to be mean, we didn't sign

758
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: up for death threats. Yeah, and you know what, I

759
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: know Grandma didn't, No way, Graham. But this is the thing,

760
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: and this just applies to life in general, people like

761
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: in place of life in general, because it's never okay

762
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: to speak to somebody that way. It isn't like there's

763
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: a there's a level of respect and grace. You have opinions,

764
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: you can say your feelings and how you feel about things.

765
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: But I think there's a level of respect for humanity,

766
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: for human beings for who they are, whether it's in

767
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: your life, whether it's people you're watching on TV in general,

768
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: and people can hide behind computer screens these days. And

769
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, I just hope everybody listening to this right now,

770
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: who's either driving in their car wherever you're listening to this,

771
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: like goes out there and like says something nice to

772
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: somebody because you never know how that's gonna just gonna

773
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: say that. And as many bad dams as I got,

774
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: like I got some incredible ones that I would screenshot

775
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: and when I was low, i'd read them because there

776
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: are good people out there, and they it's complete strangers

777
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: who would reach out to me be like, I know

778
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: you're a little place right now. I just want you

779
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: to know, like it'll you know, it'll pass. You're gonna

780
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: be okay. We're that kind of thing. Like those mean

781
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: a lot too, you know, like as much as those

782
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: native ones who are you down, those good ones can

783
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: bring you up to so And I would encourage Bachelor Nation,

784
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: not I'm not talking about the fans. I'm talking about

785
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: the people who make this up, the contestants, the leads

786
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: that are on this show. Stop doing things, you know,

787
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: for likes and for clickbait and just for public perception.

788
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Because as I said, it's fickle and fleeting. In six months,

789
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: there'll be a whole new batch of folks and you

790
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: will be most likely forgotten of and what you did

791
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: won't be remembered. It's like, just be decent. Don't tell

792
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: lies on people. Just I just a lot of the

793
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: times I just don't understand what people are doing and

794
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: why they do it, in the motivation behind it. But

795
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: just be you, be aware of who you are. Just

796
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: be real. Don't try to be another lead, another cast member.

797
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: Don't try to create get your own storyline because you

798
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: think that that'll get you to paradise or that'll get

799
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: you the next deal. It's all fleeting. Just be decent.

800
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: You are those the people you're talking about. You once were,

801
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: You got the hang ones before, try to remember that.

802
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: I gotta ask Blake before you know we wrap things up.

803
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would change if you could go back.

804
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you'd say stage coach, I wouldn't have

805
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: slept with one of ther but like not even that,

806
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like going into Paradise. Is there anything you

807
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: would change? It's that's such a hard question because, like

808
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: I said, I'm such a starng believer in everything happens

809
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: for a reason, And like I said, like Tasia and JPJ,

810
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, Dylan and Hannah, and like Kaylin and Dean,

811
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: like it's hard to say I would change something because

812
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: the three girls who were in my in the drama,

813
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, they all left in relationships, and so it's

814
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: really hard for me to say I would do something

815
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: different because I think I think it worked out the

816
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: way it was supposed to. As hard as it was

817
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: for me and hard it was for everybody down there,

818
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: I think it worked out the way it was supposed to.

819
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm really thankful for this podcast because I feel like, yes,

820
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: we got those unanswered questions that we needed for you to.

821
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, guess you're in the hot seat and you

822
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: had a good ten to fifteen minutes that everyone was

823
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: able to see in the reunion special, But this gave

824
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: you the opportunity to really expand on that, really be

825
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: vulnerable and open and just have an honest conversation and

826
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: I think at the same time, it allowed you to

827
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: talk about something that people are really afraid to talk

828
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: about the darker side of things and mental health. And

829
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, for anyone else who

830
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: is out there, Blake has been very open and honest

831
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: about what it is that he's been going through. But

832
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: we know he's not alone out there. So if it's you,

833
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: if it's a friend, just someone you know out there

834
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: that needs help, their resources out there for you, and

835
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: we want to give you one of those resources. And

836
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: if you'll just log on to suicide Prevention Lifeline dot org,

837
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: they can help you out with whatever it is that

838
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: you need. So you know that you're not alone out there,

839
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: So make sure that if you're going through something you

840
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: reach out to them. Well, thank you for being here. No,

841
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me here. How do you feel?

842
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: How do you feel if this is like therapy? Yeah,

843
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: because no, it's good conversation. We've been talking for a

844
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: long time. Notice, he's like, I got a flight to

845
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: cat always give me. But no, do you how do

846
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: you feel? I guess because right now this podcast is

847
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: listens by hundreds of thousands of people listen to this podcast.

848
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: Um Hey, hey, thanks for listening. Um, your message is

849
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: going to get out there. Publications talk right about our podcast,

850
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: US Weekly People magazine, They're going to write about this.

851
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel better? Do you feel like your message

852
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Speaker 1: has gotten out there? And if not, is there anything

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Speaker 1: else that you want to say? No, I do, I do.

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Speaker 1: I do feel like There's a reason I was a

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Speaker 1: little nervous. I'll be honest, I was a little nervous

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Speaker 1: coming to that this podcast today because I didn't I

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Speaker 1: was just in that hot seat on Reunion and I

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00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: know how it felt, and I didn't. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be sure that I can I could talk more about

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Speaker 1: the dark side of things, in the mental health of things,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I kind of wanted the most to

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Speaker 1: come out of this podcast the most. And so I

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Speaker 1: think I did that, And hopefully that gets across, like

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Speaker 1: you just said, that gets across on this podcast, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully if it just stops one person fresenting that nasty

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Speaker 1: DM to a contestant, And that's all I can ask everybody,

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Speaker 1: go to Blake's Instagram and give them, as you know,

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Speaker 1: give them a little like yeah, you know, well you're

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Speaker 1: at it follow me and not right, No, and this

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Speaker 1: is the thing, this is what we said even when

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Speaker 1: Jed was on the podcast. Is that the great thing

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00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: about this podcast, and really that's different from your conversation

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Speaker 1: with Chris Harrison at the reunion, is you get a chance.

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Speaker 1: This is a complicated situation. It is not something that

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Speaker 1: you can explain in five minutes. Less than five minutes.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I heard you. I can tell looking

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Speaker 1: at Rachel she heard you. I hope everybody else heard you. Um,

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Speaker 1: You're a good person who made a few mistakes. Your

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00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: mistakes do not define you. Nope, shares to that. Shall

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00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: we share that everybody? It's this happy hour? Shall we

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00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: not wait their plaid? But we know what's up? Everybody

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00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: raise raise your glass to being open, honest, having those tough,

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Speaker 1: real hard conversations and just being kind to one another

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00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: right here to that man, that was great. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it was for therapeutic for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that Blake got to tell his side

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Speaker 1: of the story. And we just really want to thank

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Speaker 1: all of you for tuning into Bachelor Happy Hour, and

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Speaker 1: of course thank you Blake for sitting down with us. Yeah, no, truly, Blake,

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Speaker 1: thank you and thank you for sharing things that I'm

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Speaker 1: sure are hard for him to talk about, especially knowing

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Speaker 1: through what he went through mentally, and even that he

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Speaker 1: said he's checked himself in to get help. And again,

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00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: their resources out there for you if you need that

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Speaker 1: as well. But in the meantime, we just thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for listening. We hope that this podcast

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Speaker 1: helped you and maybe you can forward it onto somebody

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Speaker 1: else and it can help them because it's deeper than

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Speaker 1: Bachel Nation. It's much more rich than that, and you

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Speaker 1: can get all of the latest Batchel Nation news on

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Speaker 1: bachelnation dot com. Right now, we want to hear from you,

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Speaker 1: so tell us what you like which you don't like

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Speaker 1: about the show. I have a feeling this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the one of the ones you like. But tell

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Speaker 1: us what you want to hear more of. We'd be

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Speaker 1: more than happy to do that. You can email us

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