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Speaker 1: Let's see, Ryan, Ryan's got a good question here. There's

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Speaker 1: that word brand again. Ryan asked, where do you see

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Speaker 1: FSU in terms of brand ranking? It seems they're regarded

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Speaker 1: as a tier below Florida or Penn State or Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M, even though they have equal or greater

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Speaker 1: program success. Asking from Tallahassee by way of Coconut Creek,

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Speaker 1: this is a really fascinating question. What is brand ranking?

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Speaker 1: You say, I guess we're literally talking about how we

436
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Speaker 1: would rank the brands. Let's just ask ourselves this. This

437
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Speaker 1: is a really good interactive question here. So you sitting

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Speaker 1: in the office right now listening to this pod when

439
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: you should be working, bless you for that, first off,

440
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Speaker 1: and secondly, since you're already not working anyway, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you a question. When I mentioned Florida State, what

442
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Speaker 1: do you think of You probably think of Chief Asciola.

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Speaker 1: You think football, There's no doubt in my mind. You

444
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Speaker 1: think football. You may think Bobby Bowden, you may think

445
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Speaker 1: like you may think figures, but ultimately it comes back

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Speaker 1: to football. And that, I think is some of what

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Speaker 1: we're asking here. What is brand? Because with Texas A

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Speaker 1: and M, if you were to mention Texas A and M,

449
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Speaker 1: they would think football, but they would think bigger than football,

450
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Speaker 1: They would think oil money, they would think, they would

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Speaker 1: think agriculture. There are people across the country, in other words,

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Speaker 1: that would associate Texas A and M with more than

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Speaker 1: just football. When you mentioned Penn State, there are certain

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Speaker 1: people would think academics. A lot of people would think academics.

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Speaker 1: They would think football too. But there are things bigger

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Speaker 1: beyond just the football field that people associate with Penn State.

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Speaker 1: With Florida State. I don't think that's the case. Now

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Speaker 1: here's what that's a byproduct of. It's a byproduct of

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Speaker 1: marketing machines, just behemoths in marketing and pr in State

460
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Speaker 1: College Pennsylvania and in College Station, Texas that you may

461
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Speaker 1: not necessarily have at your disposal in Tallahassee, Florida. The

462
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Speaker 1: pockets are just not as deep at Florida State, especially

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Speaker 1: in that vein, and so I guess that's part of

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Speaker 1: the reason I think. I think there's a concerted effort

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Speaker 1: in increasing the brand value, in brand awareness. They can

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Speaker 1: afford to do it at Penn State and A and

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Speaker 1: M a lot more than they can at Florida State.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the follow up. This is not a marketing podcast,

469
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Speaker 1: this is not an economics pod. It's not the US

470
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Speaker 1: World Academic Rankings podcast. So, frankly, I don't even care

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Speaker 1: about most of what I just said. I care about

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Speaker 1: college football. So your brand being associated with college football.

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Speaker 1: That's a positive in our book. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: confidently at Peyton State we take care of things in

475
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Speaker 1: the classroom. We are pillars in our community, but we

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily talk about it all that much. We talk

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Speaker 1: about what we do on the football field because that's

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Speaker 1: what matters to us. So brand ranking, yeah, it matters.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you the quickest way to solving that

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Speaker 1: is just go win some football games. When you're winning more,

481
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Speaker 1: when you're competing for championships, you get a bigger platform.

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Speaker 1: You get in the more high profile games. Therefore, you

483
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Speaker 1: get to run your marketing campaigns during commercial breaks of

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Speaker 1: the high profile games, and you also get your brand

485
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Speaker 1: on bigger stages and all of a sudden people realize, oh,

486
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Speaker 1: Florida State football. And then they realize, oh, there's a

487
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Speaker 1: little more to it, and you get to know the

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Speaker 1: athletes more and you get to know their stories more,

489
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Speaker 1: and there's a human component, whereas right now you may

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Speaker 1: just think of them as the sticker on the side

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Speaker 1: of their helmet. That's how that always happens. Which brand

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Speaker 1: I would ask you which brand out there's flourishing right now?

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Speaker 1: That's terrible in football. None of them have, So that's

494
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Speaker 1: it's a kind of a yin and yang thing. And

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Speaker 1: hopefully when we're looking at the twenty twenty three college

496
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Speaker 1: football playoff title odds and we see two four six,

497
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Speaker 1: we see Florida State in the eighth spot right there,

498
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Speaker 1: neck and neck with Clemson, maybe we were on the

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Speaker 1: fast track to check in that box. We had a

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Speaker 1: we had a really good question here about I'll just

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Speaker 1: read the question what is the weirdest thing I would

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Speaker 1: see if I opened your DMS. Now that's a good one,

503
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Speaker 1: and that's when I can't go into full detail on

504
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Speaker 1: but I can go into partial detail on it. So

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Speaker 1: if you open my DMS, you would see you would

506
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Speaker 1: see some thirst, you would see some interesting questions. You

507
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: would see some inappropriosity, as Mema would say, you would

508
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: see tons of people begging for jobs. And you would

509
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Speaker 1: see a lot of people asking if Jesse and Colin

510
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Speaker 1: are real, A ton of people just blindly claiming they

511
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: would own our entire office in Ping Pong, even though

512
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: it's almost always not true. However, I do want to

513
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: address one crew, and that is the crew that begs

514
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Speaker 1: for jobs. I have no problem with you asking for employment.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem, because I did the same thing.

516
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Speaker 1: That's how I got my break. I got access to

517
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: radio sports talk radio by just badgering the host and

518
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Speaker 1: program director of the local ESPN radio affiliate in Columbus, Untol.

519
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: He would let me come in there. Now, he didn't

520
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: put me on air immediately, but I just wanted to

521
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: experience a working radio station. I'd never been in one.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want to tell you, just a little

523
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Speaker 1: piece of advice. Be careful what you're asking for. A

524
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: lot of you are asking for jobs. You're looking for

525
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: a shot. All you want is a shot, and that's great.

526
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: That is great, it is admirable. You need to be

527
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: pounding the pavement. You need to be beaten on every

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Speaker 1: door you can. I would warn you if you're looking

529
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Speaker 1: to get into this line of work, and this could

530
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Speaker 1: be applied to any high level profession if you're looking

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Speaker 1: to get into the highest levels of those professions. Number One,

532
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: we have thousands of people per year trying to get

533
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Speaker 1: jobs here, so it's unlikely. That's not meant to deter you.

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Speaker 1: It's just meant to offer you the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 1: Here's the second part. One of the worst things that

536
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Speaker 1: could happen in our business is getting your shot before

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Speaker 1: you're ready to have the shot. And I've had this

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00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: talk frankly with a few people I know, so I'll

539
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: have to talk with you in forty five seconds right now.

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00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: It is hard to attract an audience, really hard to

541
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Speaker 1: do it. It's a blessing if you can do it.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to do it because we are sports fans.

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Speaker 1: Think about what a sports fan is. Think about what

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Speaker 1: a college football fan is. Think about hanging out with

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00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: your buddies. Just like me. When I go hang out

546
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: with my buddies, hardly anyone wants to shut up. Everybody

547
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: thinks they're right on everything, me included, just like the

548
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Speaker 1: rest of my buddy. And when we're talking about college football,

549
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: everyone thinks they're right. You can be talking about the NFL,

550
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: you could be talking about MJ. Lebron, you can have

551
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: an NBA debate. Everyone thinks they're right. There's an entire

552
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: genre of television in our world right now where no

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: one listens to anyone. They just yell at each other.

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00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: That's kind of the way it is, right, that's the

555
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: way it is. When you're around your peers, Think about

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Speaker 1: what you're asking for an opportunity to do. If you're

557
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: asking me to vouch for you to have a job

558
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: at this level, you're asking You're asking a multi billion

559
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: dollar company to put a microphone in front of you

560
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: in the hopes that you speak so authoritatively on a subject.

561
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: The most stubborn people in the world, US sports fans

562
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: are willing to be quiet and listen to you. You

563
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: know how hard that is to accomplish. It's extremely hard.

564
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: Takes tens of thousands of hours of refining and honing

565
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Speaker 1: your craft. That doesn't mean you can't do it. It

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Speaker 1: just means you better be ready because if they give

567
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: you the shot once and you're not ready, rarely do

568
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: they give you the second show. That would be my

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Speaker 1: message when you look in my DMS, I can't answer

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Speaker 1: all of you. I answer some of you, But for

571
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Speaker 1: those of you I haven't answered, here's the answer. Be

572
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Speaker 1: sure you know what you're asking for. You ought to

573
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Speaker 1: be cutting your teeth right now in front of an

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Speaker 1: audience that measures in the teens, because that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: I did, and I'm so glad I did, because if

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Speaker 1: I would have gotten my break in twenty fourteen, when

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00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: we were excited down in Columbus to have twenty five

578
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: people watching the show. I would have flamed out immediately.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't ready, was not in any shape, form or

580
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: fashion ready. So that is my world, but that could

581
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Speaker 1: apply to the world of accounting. You think you're ready,

582
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Speaker 1: I don't think you're ready to go work on the

583
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Speaker 1: forty seventh floor. You need to cut your teeth on

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Speaker 1: the thirteenth floor for a little while. It's a blessing

585
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: in disguise. Sometimes when your big SHOT's not coming as

586
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: soon as you think it should come, huge blessing in disguise.

587
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: You got to go make no money for a little while.

588
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: You got to talk and not even know if anyone's

589
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Speaker 1: listening for a little while. Here's the other piece of

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Speaker 1: advice before we move on back to college football. You're

591
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: interviewing for a job every time the mic is on,

592
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: and you don't know it. Told you two times in

593
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: my life I have gotten calls out of the blue.

594
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Speaker 1: One of them was a general manager of a TV station.

595
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: The other one was Shannon Terry, who was formerly the

596
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: CEO of this company and now runs on three And

597
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: both times I had never met them, I had never

598
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: spoken to them. And both times they started the conversation

599
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: by introducing themselves and telling me, you don't know this,

600
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: but I've been watching you. I've been listening to you.

601
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know it, but I was interviewing for a

602
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: job the entire time. You can't mail stuff in, don't

603
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: ever mail shows in, Call in sick, fake having the

604
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: flu before you go and mail it in in this

605
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: world because you're always auditioning, whether you know it or not.

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Speaker 1: All right, now that the motivational speaking tour is over

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Speaker 1: and we're back home here question, how do we begin

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Speaker 1: to evaluate success for programs once the playoff is expanded?

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Speaker 1: For example, Penn State could likely go from never mail

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Speaker 1: making it to making it most years. Does that mean

611
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Speaker 1: they're actually any better? No, it does not mean they're

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Speaker 1: any better. That question from Auburn, Alabama. By the way, No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they're any better. It just means we're

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Speaker 1: lowering the standard. There's no other way to put this.

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Speaker 1: This is not even a debate about whether I'm pro

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Speaker 1: or anti expansion. Even you pro expansionists out there, you

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Speaker 1: have to admit Penn State has been pretty good this

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Speaker 1: past year. Jesse, where did they finished? I don't even

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Speaker 1: had IFBN they finished in the top ten, right, Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: I would just wag the I just wag the robotic

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Speaker 1: camera up and down. That's a speaker by the way,

622
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Speaker 1: that we have access to there that you just heard

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Speaker 1: the voice of Jesse from. So Penn State would have

624
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Speaker 1: made the playoff this past year if we run the

625
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Speaker 1: ab scenario. If in one world we're in twenty twenty two,

626
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Speaker 1: if another world we're in pretend twenty twenty seven and

627
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Speaker 1: Penn State made the playoffs despite having the same year, No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they're better. And also if they made

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Speaker 1: the playoff and went and did what TCU did and

630
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: surprised some people, pulled an upset or maybe two and

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Speaker 1: they made it to the national title game, no, they

632
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Speaker 1: still weren't any better. They accomplished more because they were

633
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Speaker 1: given the opportunity to accomplish more. But it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the quality of the team was any better. But that

635
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter what is It

636
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: sounds counterintuitive, but follow me, it matters what seems like

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Speaker 1: it is. And so if it seems like Penn State's

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Speaker 1: a lot better, if all of a sudden, in the

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Speaker 1: first three years of the expanded playoff, they make it

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Speaker 1: two out of three years, that's what people are gonna say.

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00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: James Franklin has taken the program to the next level.

642
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: James Franklin has Penn State breathing rarefied air they've never

643
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: breathed before. And it's not true. It's just there's more

644
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: oxygen in the room now. If Penn State does truly

645
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: ascend and they're not only making the playoff, but they're

646
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: winning the Big Ten, they're locking down the number three seed,

647
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: they're getting first round byes, well then yeah, you will

648
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: definitively be able to say Penn State's elevated. But this

649
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: is going to happen with a few teams. It was

650
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: a segment we did the other night. I actually view

651
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: this as a benefit. I don't always like lowering the standard,

652
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't like expanding the playoff. But

653
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: if one of the byproducts is we get rid of

654
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: some of the foolish talk that occurs at the end

655
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: of our season, I'm all for that. And by that

656
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes coaches are on the hot seat and

657
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: they finish like eleventh in the country. We've seen this

658
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: with James Franklin, not this past year. But in certain

659
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: years they'll finish and they will have lost a couple

660
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: of big games, and someone will say, well, if we

661
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: can't win those games, then we ought to move on.

662
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we had some people foolish enough to say

663
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: that about Ryan Day. Not serious people, but there were

664
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: some people foolish enough to say that about Ryan Day

665
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: before they knew he was going to make the playoff

666
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: this past year. And that was, well, if he can't

667
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: beat Michigan, what's he here for? If we're not winning

668
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: the Big ten every year, what's he here for? Then

669
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: they went to the playoff and the lost to Georgia.

670
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: And if he can't beat these big boys and mESC see,

671
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: what's he here for? So anyway, if the net result

672
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: of a world where Ohio State makes the playoff anyway

673
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: or Penn State makes the playoff anyway results in me

674
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: having to listen to forty eight percent less nonsensical hot

675
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: seat talk, then I'm for it. I'm on board with you.

676
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: Show me where to sign up for that. All right,

677
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: let's continue moving on. Roger. Roger had an interesting question.

678
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: This is very appropriate with what I ended up doing

679
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: last night. Immunity a word we're also going to cover later.

680
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: Roger said, which tornado outbreak got you into the world

681
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: of meteorology and stormchasing. I'll give you mine, Terrible Tuesday,

682
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: April tenth, nineteen seventy nine from Tulsa. I always have

683
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: to remember Roger is a veteran listener or viewer, but

684
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: some of you are new. It's just a statistical fact

685
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: that someone is listening to this pod for the first

686
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: time today, and it makes no sense whatsoever to you

687
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: that on a college football podcast, Roger just asked me

688
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: about a tornado outbreak. Well, one thing you need to

689
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: know about me is this is my dream job. And

690
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: why is it my dream job? Well, it's partly because

691
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I get paid to talk about college football and live

692
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: everyone's dream essentially, that's part of it. The other part

693
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: is I'm extremely passionate about weather and storm chasing in particular,

694
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: and this job happens to perfectly coincide with being free

695
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: in the spring. So not only do I get to

696
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: do what I want in the fall, I get to

697
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: go out on the road and chase tornadoes in the spring.

698
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: That's really fun. A lot of those folks who I

699
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: chase with actually are probably listening right now. So that's

700
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: why I've talked about that before. And this is the

701
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra pod, so people feel free to ask

702
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: questions that kind of get out of the boundaries of

703
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: college football sometimes. The April twenty seventh, twenty eleven outbreak

704
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: is a generational tornado outbreak that happened across several states

705
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: in the South. That's not what got me into storm chasing,

706
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I would say, doing research on the Super Outbreak of

707
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: seventy four, even though I wasn't alive in nineteen seventy

708
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: four when I was a kid, Certainly, as soon as

709
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: I got old enough to understand what weather was, an

710
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: atmospheric science was naturally Like I did with music, I

711
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: go back in history and find all the good stuff.

712
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: So Little JP is not alive when Fleetwood Mac's recording

713
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: their stuff, but Little JP becomes a Fleetwood Mac fan.

714
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: Little JP similarly is not alive for the Super Outbreak

715
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: of seventy four, but I go back and I read

716
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: about it. Now here's the difference. Come twenty eleven. We

717
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: have video of the Tuscaloosa tornado. You know, we have

718
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: video of the Coleman tornado. We have video of the

719
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Hackelberg and Phil Campbell tornado's Philadelphia, Mississippi that day got

720
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: hit with an EF five. Just unbelievable parameters in place

721
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: that day over. I don't want to do it disservice.

722
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: It was well into the two hundreds in terms of

723
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: lives lost that day, and that never happens in the

724
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: modern age of advanced warning systems. That never happens. So

725
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: that tells you how bad that was. But you had

726
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: video of it, so you can go. You can go

727
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: right now on YouTube. You can type in Philadelphia, Mississippi

728
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: tornado and see one of the craziest things you'll ever see.

729
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: You can look at the Tuscaloosa tornado, the Hackelberg Phil

730
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Campbell tornado. I think maybe one of the most violent

731
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: in the history of this country. In nineteen seventy four,

732
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I think we had footage of the Xenia, Ohio tornado.

733
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: But we really we just hear urban legends. We hear

734
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: stories of like the Ewen, Alabama tornado. That tornado happens

735
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: to be one I've done the most research on out

736
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: of any the Ewen g u I n Ewen, Alabama tornado.

737
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: It's a small town. You go through Ewan, though, and

738
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: a lot of little towns in Alabama, and there are

739
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: community storm shelters. There are places if you can't afford

740
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: or you're not in a topographical position where you can

741
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: build a storm shelter, you go to community shelters. It's

742
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: because of stories like Ewan unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. You don't

743
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: have footage of it, so you're left to look at

744
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: the damage survey reports, and you're left to hear stories

745
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: from people who experienced it. And it's kind of like

746
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: listening to stories about the Lockanus monster, only you know

747
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: this really happened for sure. There just aren't pictures, they're

748
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: just aren't videos. And so I would say April twenty seven,

749
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, and I think April third it was early

750
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: April nineteen seventy four. Those are the two answers for me. Roger.

751
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Next up, Justin asked, what are some historical powerhouse programs

752
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: or simply formerly great programs that you believe will never

753
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: or have a slim chance of getting back to prominence

754
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: anytime soon. I'm going to ask you this question. I'll

755
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: give you an answer in a roundabout way in a second,

756
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: which former powerhouses do you think are never coming back.

757
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the years where Yale or even

758
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: Army football dominated. Let's be realistic teams that you would

759
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: get an argument from someone on because there's one that

760
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: pops into my mind before any other program, and that's

761
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Nebraska football. But the thing about it is, I think

762
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: I disagree with the popular sentiment out there. The popular

763
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: sentiment is Nebraska can never win at a high level. Again.

764
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: I think we got to very clearly define what we

765
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: mean by this. Are they going to be a dynasty

766
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: in college football? Again? No, I don't believe that's possible.

767
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: It's hardly possible for anyone, so especially Nebraska. But is

768
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: it possible for them to win? Could we ever see

769
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: Nebraska play for a national title? I'm not ready to

770
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: say no on that, And the reason is because I

771
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: think the sport is sort of coming to them a

772
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: little bit. I think the sport people are gonna misuse

773
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: TCU as an example. But what allowed TCU to just

774
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: do what they did and then adding in the benefit

775
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: of the transfer portal era, it actually I think makes

776
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: it statistically a little more likely that if you have

777
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: the right head coach there, you could have a year

778
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: or two where they just, for whatever reason, the ingredients

779
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: come together. I just I don't think. I'm not trying

780
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: to sell you on the idea that Nebraska could go

781
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: on a prolonged run where they averaged ten wins a

782
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: season for a decade. That is asking way too much

783
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: of almost any program, much less Nebraska. But they just

784
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: signaled something to you. Matt Rules the head coach there,

785
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: and they had to fight to get him. They could

786
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: have mailed it in. They could have gone and hired

787
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: and also ran. They could have guaranteed themselves Bowl eligibility

788
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: and just kind of resigned themselves to the idea that

789
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: good enough is enough. They're not doing that, So credit

790
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: Nebraska and let's see what they do. My answer is,

791
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer here. There is not a

792
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: former powerhouse, at least off the top of my head,

793
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: that I don't think could rebound and get back into

794
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: the national picture in some shape, form or fashion that

795
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: used to exist. I don't see that Notre Dame can

796
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: do it. I FSU can do it. Just said Notre Dame,

797
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: Nebraska can do it. Washington could do it. I'm not

798
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: saying it would be easy. Quite the opposite. But I'm

799
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: saying Virginia Tech, you know, didn't run off a string

800
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: of national titles, But Virginia Tech used to be a

801
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: mainstay in the national picture. They're not now, doesn't mean

802
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: they can't, doesn't mean cannot, just means are not. So

803
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: I think Nebraska could theoretically re emerge there. It's just

804
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: not easy. Possible, but not easy. There is a very

805
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: difficult question coming up here, but it's one we have

806
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: to tackle. We just have to answer this. And there

807
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: are things we have to do in life. One of

808
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: them is answering a question like I'm about to ask,

809
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: and the other is doing something unexpected like this. You forgot.

810
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: You forgot that there is tradition on the Lake Extra pod.

811
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: It's not just the standard Academy ad read. I gotta

812
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: dive bomb you with an ad read and I toss

813
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: to the ad read and it's going to be unexpected,

814
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be mad you didn't see it coming. Yes,

815
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: tradition never dies in Pate State. And we're back with

816
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: the kamikaze ad read. So now that we're out of that,

817
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: Tucker wants to know what is the opposite of a casual?

818
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully you Tucker. Brandon Walker has been beside himself lately,

819
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: generally just an unpleasant person disposition, being angry at life.

820
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: Probably wakes up punching air in the morning for no reason.

821
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: But Brandon Walker went on a little tirade the other

822
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: day because it is his opinion that he shares good

823
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: opinions sometimes, and anyone who disagrees with him calls him

824
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: a casual. I can't vouch for that. What I think

825
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: probably is happening is he is making erroneous claims under

826
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: the guise of it being a solid opinion, and people

827
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: are rightfully calling him a casual for it. That would

828
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: be my guess. Who knows he has an invitation to

829
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: come here and defend himself. He knows that. But he

830
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: blamed me. He blamed us us. It's not just me.

831
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: When he blames me, he blames you. So he's blaming

832
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: us for injecting casual as a derogatory term into the

833
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: college football sporting vernacular, into the public discourse. And I

834
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: take part umbrage with that, and I take partial credit

835
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: for it, because you know what, some things deserve to

836
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: be called out. They just deserve to be called out. Now,

837
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: here's the question. What is the opposite of a casual?

838
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I was on Buck Rising's program here in Nashville this morning. Actually,

839
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: as we're recording, I just drove across town from doing

840
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: that and I asked him this. I was getting ready

841
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: to record the late Cake extra pot. I just threw

842
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: it out there. I used his live show as a

843
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: practice field for our show, and I said, what do

844
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: you think the opposite of a casual is? And it

845
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: sort of went down the road of the opposite of

846
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: a casual is someone who's been a diehard fan their

847
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 1: whole life. But you know what, I don't think that's

848
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: necessarily it. I would never tell you you have to

849
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: have watched college football since you were three years old,

850
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: or you're not a legitimate fan. That would be well,

851
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: that would be kind of dumb. So that's not our answer.

852
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't care if you got here ten minutes ago.

853
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: Being a casual is about being a certain low hanging

854
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: fruit way of a thinker, or thinking in a low

855
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: hanging fruit sort of fashion. Being a more intellectual, being

856
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: a more enlightened college football fan is not about longevity.

857
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: If you've been here a long time, great, If you haven't,

858
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: also great. But it's just about being able to dive

859
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: into a subject. It's about being able to understand nuance.

860
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: It's about listening to a question and not having to

861
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: scream an answer. Sometimes you just take a deep breath

862
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: and you think. Sometimes you say I don't know, and

863
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: you let the other folks make fools out of themselves.

864
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: You don't always compare our sport to pro sports whenever

865
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: the argument fits your agenda. Right now, it's very popular,

866
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: for example, for certain casuals amongst us in the in

867
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: the vein of college football playoff discussion, to say, well,

868
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: the NFL hasn't expanded playoff and it's worked fine for them,

869
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: why wouldn't it work for college football? And at that

870
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: point those of us who are not casuals just kind

871
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: of go numb because it's happened so much. We've heard

872
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: that argument so often that we just go numb. But

873
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: you know what, if I wanted to engage in that foolishness,

874
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: if I wanted to dip to a casual level, I

875
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: could listen to you, for example, tell me well, the

876
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: NFL hasn't expanded playoff, and I would be like, yeah,

877
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: you know what, the NFL also has bud the NFL

878
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: has trades too, So if I'm the head coach at

879
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: NC State, should I just be able to pack up

880
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: both of my linebackers and send them to Tulane in

881
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: a two for one swap because I need help at

882
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver. And I walk into the kid's dorm that morning, Hey,

883
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: pack your bags. You've been traded to Tulane and them

884
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: have no say in it. They do it in the NFL, right,

885
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: So if it works in the NFL, why wouldn't it

886
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: work in college. It's just dumb. It's done. But some people,

887
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: the casuals amongst us, do not possess the mental capacity,

888
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: or either they don't choose to exercise the mental capacity

889
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: to think things through to a logical conclusion. If if

890
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: you think it through to a logical conclusion and you

891
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: just decide you still want college football playoff expansion and

892
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't want it, here's what we'll do. We shake

893
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: each other's hand and we go get lunch. It doesn't

894
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: mean everyone agrees with you all the time. That's not

895
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. What we're talking about is

896
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: someone who who could not defend their own argument past

897
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: thirty seconds of legitimate interrogation. And cross examination, and that

898
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: is a casual. A casual is just someone who loves

899
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: to hear themselves talk. You may think that's ironic because

900
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: I am singularly hosting a podcast here. But at least

901
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: when I talk, hopefully I'm saying some things that are

902
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more coherent than the low hanging fruit

903
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: crowd out there. Hopefully fingers crossed. But you know what,

904
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: if I'm not call me out on it, I relish

905
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: constructive criticism. Now I bash unconstructive criticism. So let's make

906
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: sure we're diition out the right kind of criticism. All right,

907
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: let's move on here. Good question, though, pertinent question, topical question.

908
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: ALEC wants to know what can the ACC do to

909
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: become relevant in football? Again from Syracuse, New York. They

910
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: feel like they're asleep at the wheel as a conference,

911
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: don't they. I was thinking about this question this morning.

912
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking about a diplomatic way to answer it.

913
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: There's an easy to answer it. FSU and Miami could

914
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: return to their former glory. That would help a whole lot.

915
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: Clemson's largely been doing their part, but outside of that,

916
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: there's just some really average performances going on in a conference.

917
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: Where there's no excuse for it. The Big Twelve has

918
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: an excuse. If they really wanted to use an excuse,

919
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: they could say outside of Texas, where do we recruit

920
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: out here? Like if I'm Kansas State, I've got to

921
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: go to Texas to get my players, and that's where

922
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: everybody goes. So I've got It's like pulling in the

923
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: grocery store and waiting for the first hundred people to

924
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: go in and out, and then you get to go

925
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: in and the good stuff's not normally there. In the

926
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: ACC You've got the state of Florida. You've got the

927
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: state of Georgia. You've got the Carolinas, You've got the DMV,

928
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: you've got Virginia. You've got all these areas inside your

929
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: conference's geographical footprint. There is zero point zero, zero excuse

930
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: for b this average in football for an extended period

931
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: of time. But they are have been. It's part of

932
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: the credit I give to Clemson. People look at Clemson

933
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and say, oh, they're in such a soft conference. That

934
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: makes it easy for them. I disagree. It makes it

935
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: easy to win individual games. But the most impressive part

936
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: for me when they had their run of two titles

937
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: in three years. Was they were sharp when it came

938
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: time to play the big boys. They didn't have to

939
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: be battle tested. In other words, and I say that

940
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: to folks sometimes and they say, yeah, but at least

941
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: when Clemson played those teams, they were able to stay

942
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: healthy because they didn't get beat up as much. That's true,

943
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: that is true. But I think when you ask the

944
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: teams that come through the SEC or in some years,

945
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, is it worth it Is it worth

946
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: getting banged up a little bit in exchange for playing

947
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: some close, competitive games and maybe even losing, maybe even

948
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: taste in your own blood, but you get battle tested.

949
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: I think most of them would say yes. But Clemson

950
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: hasn't dealt with that. They have not been battle tested.

951
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: That is a bakery of a conference, just cream puff

952
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: after cream puff. And so the answer is Miami's got

953
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: to do their part. FSU's got to continue on the

954
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: trajectory there on. North Carolina should be way better than

955
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: they are right now. NC State should be better than

956
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: they are, although it had a fairly decent season last year.

957
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. The two Virginia schools, they've got

958
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: to deliver. That's what it takes Virginia Tech's done it

959
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: in the past, Virginia's never done it for an extended

960
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: period of time. Virginia is low key one of the

961
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: most underachieving programs that has capability in the country, not

962
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: just the ACC, in the country. And it takes someone

963
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: walking in and grabbing the entire culture by the shirt

964
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: and just shaking it. It takes the right leader. It's

965
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: as hard and as simple as one figure walking in

966
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: and changing everything. Look what Nick Saban did with Alabama football.

967
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: Look what Kirby Smart did with Georgia football. It can

968
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: be as easy as one guy. Look what Lincoln Riley

969
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: just did overnight with USC football. They got to have that,

970
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: and I don't know that they have that over there.

971
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: I adn't even talked about Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech should

972
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: be a contender every year high academic standards are not.

973
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: They're parked at the intersection of the SEC and the ACC.

974
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: They're downtown and the capitol of college football. They should

975
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: be a player, and they're just not right now. So

976
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: there are a million reasons why, but the fact remains,

977
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: you gotta have the programs that should be good get

978
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: their act together. That's the answer. It's no more complicated

979
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: than that. Next question, Colin, I know I put this

980
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: in red, but there's little to no way we're gonna

981
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: put this on the YouTube channel. But will ask the

982
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: question anyway, cause this is a podcast first and foremost.

983
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: After all, the question, and I want you guys to

984
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: pay close attention to the wording here so somebody's been fooled.

985
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: The question is what's your workout routine? I want big

986
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: arms for Valentine's Day. To get a date from College

987
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Station Texas well. First off, don't focus on arms. If

988
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: you want to get big arms, Colin, I know you

989
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: know the exact same thing. I am one of the

990
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: few people, I think, the only person in this building

991
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: that has seen Director Colin in the gym, and Director

992
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: Colin does not go to the curl wrack. Director Colin

993
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: goes right over to the punching bag and takes out

994
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: an inordinate amount of frustration. Something must be happening with

995
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: Direct Colin at work. It's not me, couldn't be me.

996
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: But I watch folks walk in the gym, especially this

997
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: time of year, and they do what I call a

998
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: popcorn muscle circuit. They knew nothing but chest and buys

999
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: and calves and those are popcorn muscles. Those are those

1000
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: are not functional, You're not You better be really good

1001
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: at screaming if you get in a fight, because you're

1002
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: definitely not using those things to defend yourself, and you're

1003
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: probably not going to get a date worthwhile with them.

1004
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: I would also say it comes down to a little

1005
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: bit more than just for aw physical appearance and musculature

1006
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: to accomplish that goal. I wish you all the best,

1007
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: but look, don't be focusing on arms a lot. The

1008
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: fact is, if you're doing back the right way, you're

1009
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: working arms, and you gotta learn how to work out.

1010
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: Don't just google a workout. Do you do your extensions

1011
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: and contractions the right way? Do you mix your rep

1012
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: ranges or do you just do the same thing all

1013
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: the time? I mean, contracting a muscle is a really

1014
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: big deal. Slow declines. It's a really big deal. So

1015
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: you gotta mix in very things. Go find a workout

1016
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: that works. But if it has you do in arms

1017
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: three days a week, that's not smart. Not smart. You

1018
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: need to be doing legs twice as much as you're

1019
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: doing arms, because it's like half of your body. Why

1020
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: would you do half of your body one day and

1021
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: then focus the next four days on various other parts.

1022
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: I do a shoulder day, I do an arm day,

1023
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: I do a leg day, I do a chest day,

1024
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: I do a back day. I do a leg day again.

1025
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: So I do legs every seventy two to ninety six hours.

1026
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: Arms are in there, They're just not nearly the focal

1027
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: point you think they're supposed to be. Huh, what a

1028
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: question here, Braiden. I want I want you guys to

1029
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: notice I saved this for towards the end of the

1030
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: pod because only the real ones need to hear this.

1031
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: Management has long since tuned out. Only the real ones

1032
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: need to hear this. Braiden asked, why do you randomly

1033
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: say immunity at times during your show? What does that mean?

1034
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: From Pensacola, Florida. There's a certain level of maturity, There

1035
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: is a certain level of astuteness that we like to

1036
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: carry ourselves with, But at our core, we are children

1037
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: working here. We talk about sports for a living. It's

1038
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: not really that serious. The stakes aren't that high. So

1039
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: this place kind of has a frat house feel to it.

1040
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, I watched The Office a lot, love The Office.

1041
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: One of the most popular running jokes on the office

1042
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: is that's what she said, which is basically a phrase

1043
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: that you can have in your back pocket anything someone

1044
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: says something that can be misconstrued or double contextualized as

1045
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: being perverted, that's what she said. So we came up

1046
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: with a failsafe. And again I want you to understand

1047
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: how mature. What I'm about to say is, Okay, this

1048
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: is big adult thinking here. We decided that we were

1049
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: tired around the office of people saying that's what she

1050
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: said to us. So we decided to create our own

1051
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: mechanism to where if we say anything that could be

1052
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: that's what she said, but we say immunity before the

1053
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: person hits us whether that's what she said, it's like

1054
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: putting the safety on. They're not allowed to hit us

1055
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: with it. So, because that is so prevalent in our

1056
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: personal interoffice activities around here, sometimes Brayden, it bleeds out

1057
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: over the air. So if I'm looking at a game,

1058
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm I'm looking at Texas play in

1059
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and I say this is a big one immunity,

1060
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: that's what it means. Moving on last question here, I

1061
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: had just just added one right at the end. Who

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Speaker 1: is the number one person you would like to have

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Speaker 1: on the show to interview. I think I said this

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Speaker 1: like a month ago. Dabo Swinny's the number one for me.

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of them on. We've had Kirby on,

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Speaker 1: We've had Nick Saban on, We've had Mario on, We've

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Speaker 1: had Jimbo on. We've had a lot of big names

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Speaker 1: on it. And it's not usually an interview show, although stay

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Speaker 1: tuned because we have a change or two coming. But

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Speaker 1: Dabo we have not gotten any traction with. And I

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Speaker 1: understand it. As I've said before, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I would do a ton of interviews if I were him,

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Speaker 1: knowing how the media has treated me in the past.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I deserved it, sometimes I didn't. But I want

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Speaker 1: to get Dabo Swinny on the show. We would work

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Speaker 1: at his convenience. We would go to him, but I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do it for ten minutes. It would need to

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Speaker 1: be an extended thirty forty five minutes because he talks

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Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot I would want to get

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Speaker 1: to with him. But I think we would have the

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Speaker 1: kind of conversation Davos when he wants to have I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it would be a pillow fight. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I would toss him softballs, but I wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: necessarily want to interview him. I would just want to

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Speaker 1: talk to him conversational. He can ask me questions for

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Speaker 1: all I care. In fact, I think that would be

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Speaker 1: a pretty fun format. I'd love to get Davo, that

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Speaker 1: is number one on our power rankings, who we want

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Speaker 1: on Late Kick. We wouldn't want to get DeVos winning,

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Speaker 1: so that's why we want to go with that. I

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Speaker 1: want to remind you guys that there is one important

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Speaker 1: thing you can do for us, and one important thing

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Speaker 1: you can do for me, and it's not giving us

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Speaker 1: to this podcast feed. You're already listening. Our numbers indicate

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Speaker 1: less than forty or less than yeah, less than forty

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Speaker 1: percent of the people who listen to our podcast have

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Speaker 1: followed or subscribed. And it's free. It doesn't cost you anything,

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Speaker 1: there's no string attached. It just helps us to continue

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Speaker 1: to give you the stuff for free. So that is

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Speaker 1: my humble plea to you. Just make sure you're liking

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Speaker 1: and also remind your friends Lay Kick Extras back here

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Speaker 1: we go. So thank you guys so much for being

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Speaker 1: tuned in. Again. We do this once a week. We'll

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Speaker 1: do it Tuesdays and we'll be right back on the

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Speaker 1: air as normal on Thursday night. And if if you

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Speaker 1: prefer the pod, then the next time you hear from

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Speaker 1: us will be Friday morning. But that's the replay of

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Speaker 1: our Late Kick Live episode. This right here has been

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Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast for producer Jesse. For director

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Speaker 1: of column, I'm Josh Bate. Thanks so much, Take care,

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Speaker 1: have a great rest of your day. Dank God, bless