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Speaker 5: Stay tuned for that. First, let's start on Capitol Hill yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, four percent of our conference can join all the

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Speaker 8: Today because you can't do the job if eight people

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Speaker 5: Yes, and there was a lot of that yesterday. Did

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Speaker 5: And that's one of the interesting things about McCarthy's press conference.

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Speaker 5: I'm assuming what he's saying is that Gates was texting

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Speaker 5: with Kevin McCarthy is the reason he led this ouster. Now,

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Speaker 5: the ostensible reason, of course, is that McCarthy went along

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Speaker 3: And let's play a little Gates color And then I

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Speaker 3: I reserve to whose benefit. People have called you a narcissist.

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Speaker 5: People say this is to your benefit alone, is to

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Speaker 9: It's the benefit of this country that we have a

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Speaker 6: You are not going to.

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Speaker 6: Of vakate failed.

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Speaker 5: They all got to come in and give speeches on

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Speaker 10: Congress is about three things. Pass the bills that need pass,

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Speaker 11: Mister Speaker is the only still serving co author and

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Speaker 11: Is the only member who's serving here who took every

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Speaker 11: The Speaker gave us a blocking position and by putting

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Speaker 5: And Ree, maybe we should chase that with our last clip,

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Speaker 6: Let's play a six come out.

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Speaker 3: Me and called me a rhino. You can kiss my ass. Look,

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Speaker 3: I've spent a lifetime fighting for limited government Conservatives. I

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Speaker 3: you go around talking to your big game and you

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Speaker 3: thumping your chest on Twitter. Yeah, come to my office

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Speaker 3: and come out of debate.

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Speaker 12: Mother.

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Speaker 3: You know why, because I'm standing up with this country

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Speaker 3: that you can't beat this. Let's peel back Massy's substance

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Speaker 3: So he's saying, Matt Gates wants regular order in the House,

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Speaker 3: if I were going to be an advisor to the right,

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Speaker 3: Every one of those people is interested in their own

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Speaker 5: And I think the CR and you you know, I

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Speaker 5: It's harder to add, you know, kind of quasi ear

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Speaker 5: So I think it's a totally fair point that's there.

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Speaker 6: Or you can think that you.

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Speaker 5: Some people have issues with Jim Jordan because he's been

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Speaker 6: Either way, these are guys who led the charge against Bayner.

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Speaker 3: It's every and every single revolution that you read about.

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Speaker 13: Carthy will not seek the speakership again now, sources telling

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Speaker 13: with and have started an effort to draft former President

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump to be the next speaker. And I have

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Speaker 13: been told that President Trump might be open to helping

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Speaker 13: the Republican Party at least in the short term if necessary,

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Speaker 13: if it's needed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Handy we know is in touch with Trump. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 3: we know that from lawsuits. And so if this was untrue,

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Speaker 3: Handy had a way to check with Trump and find

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Speaker 3: out that this wasn't true. So clearly Trump is that

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Speaker 3: minimum interested in having us talk about that. So always

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Speaker 3: happy to do Trump's bidding. Let's do it, Let's talk

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 5: And he knows Donald Trump is watching, by the way,

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Speaker 5: is absolutely that hour on Fox News. He knows Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump is watching. And Hannity was actually asked by somebody

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Speaker 5: by Jim Jordan. He was talking to Jim Jordan, and

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Speaker 5: Jim Jordan was he was. He was repeatedly trying to

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Speaker 5: get Jim Jordan to say whether or not he was

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Speaker 5: interested in being speaker. Jordan kept saying he kept hunting

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Speaker 5: and saying, that's a decision for the conference to make,

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Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. Hannity then floated what he had

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Speaker 5: heard about Trump, and Jordan asked, well, I want him

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Speaker 5: to be President of the United States. It basically was like,

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Speaker 5: that's where I think he should.

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Speaker 3: Right the job and his overqualified.

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Speaker 5: Hannedy said, well, it would just be temporary. So that

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Speaker 5: tells you what's circulating right now. Is this suggestion or

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Speaker 5: this idea that Donald Trump step in as Speaker of

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Speaker 5: the House temporarily while he's running for president, but not

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Speaker 5: stay in the position that long. And we actually have

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Speaker 5: let's put this next element up on the screen. Marjorie

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Speaker 5: Taylor Green coming out, and again, this tells you what's

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Speaker 5: happening behind closed doors. This is not that long after

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Speaker 5: the speaker was the chair was vacated. The only candidate

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Speaker 5: for Speaker I am currently supporting is President Donald J.

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Speaker 6: Trump.

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Speaker 5: Marjorie Taylor Green wrote on X he will end the

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Speaker 5: war in Ukraine. He will secure the border. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: She said, we can make him speaker and then elect

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Speaker 5: him president.

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Speaker 6: He will make America great again.

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Speaker 5: Ryan, pretty clear sign right here that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 5: in the running first Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how much support he would have.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot of you know, members who are

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Speaker 5: now jockeying for the position, and we'll get into that

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Speaker 5: in just a second, but clearly his name is in

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Speaker 5: the running.

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Speaker 3: I mean Trump loves the story, and I clearly he

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Speaker 3: was watching television yesterday. He's like, oh wait, the House

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Speaker 3: of Representatives can be on TV, and that means I

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Speaker 3: could be on TV running the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 6: The Sea spin things seems fun.

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Speaker 3: Now Mike Kevin is gone, so somebody somebody's got to

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Speaker 3: run it. Whether or not that actually happens, you know,

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Speaker 3: we'll see because there are a bunch of other people

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Speaker 3: who are jocking for it. And so, as you said,

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Speaker 3: Jim Jordan was on handy last night, not not knocking

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Speaker 3: down the idea that he was interested. So basically, if

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Speaker 3: the conference is if he can round up support, he'll

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Speaker 3: want to go for it. Yeah. Steve Scalise has been reported,

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Speaker 3: you know, was you know, making some calls. Matt Gates

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Speaker 3: had said, Hey, if scalise gets it, that's wonderful. Tom Emmer, Ye,

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Speaker 3: is there a difference between these people that that viewers

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Speaker 3: should care about, like Emmer Scalise Jordan.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest difference is between Emmer and Scalise

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Speaker 5: and Jim Jordan, because Jim Jordan is we talked about

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Speaker 5: this earlier, absolutely hardcore conservative. He's somebody who went after

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Speaker 5: John Bayner. He's very focused on oversight now. But I

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Speaker 5: think it was a really big deal. He usually says

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Speaker 5: no when people are asking if he wants to be speaker, and.

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Speaker 6: It's happened before.

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Speaker 5: It actually happened when he decided not to run against

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Speaker 5: Kevin McCarthy for the speakership after Paul Ryan or for

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Speaker 5: the leadership position after Paul Ryan left, and so he's

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Speaker 5: he doesn't really want it. And interestingly, Matt Gates said

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Speaker 5: yesterday that they need somebody for speaker who doesn't want

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Speaker 5: to be speaker, and Steve Scalisee then starts making calls

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Speaker 5: and it's Steve Scleze, by the way's battling blood cancer,

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Speaker 5: so physically there's a question of whether he's able to

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Speaker 5: do this insane job of Speaker of the House, where

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of fundraising involved, there's a lot of travel,

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Speaker 5: and it's a lot of long hours. It's just it's

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Speaker 5: a ton of work, it's a lot of stress. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: now access Or I'm sorry Politico is saying that yes,

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Speaker 5: Tom em Or, Steve Scalie, and even elist Stephonic are

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Speaker 5: in the running.

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Speaker 6: I have not heard Stephonic's name.

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Speaker 5: Emmer is somebody that I've been told by sources to

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Speaker 5: look at that that's the m or space is potentially

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Speaker 5: somewhere that Freedom Caucus members might be interested in moving towards.

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Speaker 5: Because Emmer has sort of quietly in the background. He's

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Speaker 5: not always had a good relationship with conservatives. He's very

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Speaker 5: much like a transactional Kevin McCarthy type figure.

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Speaker 6: He's from Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: Emmer is has been quietly negotiating in the background to

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Speaker 5: help the Freedom Caucus score substantive wins in all of

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Speaker 5: these negotiations, Speaker battle, debt limit shut down, emmer has

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Speaker 5: sort of took them under his wing. Maybe that's maybe

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Speaker 5: that's a little bit too sort of condescending or patronizing.

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Speaker 5: He's helped them sort of negotiate with the establishment in

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Speaker 5: ways that people will feel good about. So you need

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Speaker 5: you obviously need support of the Freedom Caucus. And that's

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Speaker 5: where this gets crazy in that you have these eight

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Speaker 5: members voting against Kevin McCarthy, who was good to the

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Speaker 5: Freedom Caucus. So who are you passib all going to

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Speaker 5: agree on that's moderate enough to keep the support of

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Speaker 5: the moderate members and then also hardcore enough to get

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Speaker 5: the people who were not who McCarthy wasn't hardcore enough

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Speaker 5: for right?

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Speaker 3: Good luck, Yeah, because you've introduced a new way of

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Speaker 3: electing a speaker. Basically for the entire history of Congress,

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Speaker 3: you would have a vote within your caucus or your conference.

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Speaker 3: The long story. Democrats call themselves a caucus, Republicans call

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Speaker 3: themselves a conference. You don't want to know why. And

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Speaker 3: so you'd have a closed door vote, and let's say

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Speaker 3: Pelosi wins or you know, geb Hart wins and it's

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Speaker 3: a close race. Then you go to the floor and

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Speaker 3: every single Democrat votes for whoever won. Like that was

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Speaker 3: how it was always on Republicans, the same way Banner

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Speaker 3: wins a close race or whoever. When you get to

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Speaker 3: the floor. Republicans back the person that won the race

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Speaker 3: behind closed doors, because if you don't do that, it

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Speaker 3: allows the minority party to come in and side with

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Speaker 3: the people who refuse to go along with the party

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Speaker 3: and kick him out. And so what Gates discovered here

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Speaker 3: and what you Democrats could have done in the past,

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Speaker 3: is if you team up with the other party, you

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Speaker 3: can block your party from appointing somebody. But your question

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Speaker 3: is an excellent one, then what right, right? If they

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Speaker 3: can do it, then other people can do it as well. Right,

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Speaker 3: So how do you get a speaker?

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Speaker 5: And you remember this, Jim Jordan's problem has long been

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Speaker 5: that he's not you know, the moderates, the centrists in

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Speaker 5: the Republican conference will have a hard time getting behind

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Speaker 5: Jim Jordan. Now that may not be the case. I

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Speaker 5: suspect it wouldn't be the case anymore because Jordan has

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Speaker 5: proven himself a capable leader of various committees, and he's

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Speaker 5: proven that he's you can work with Jim Jordan. And

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Speaker 5: that's in some ways why people in the conservative movement

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Speaker 5: are like, huh, what's going on with Jim Jordan. But

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Speaker 5: I think basically everybody would get behind Jim Jordan. He's

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Speaker 5: a pretty like to the Ecten. There's a consensus candidate.

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Speaker 5: I think it's probably Jim Jordan. I'm surprised, but it's

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Speaker 5: it's I'm surprised that Gates has been so willing to

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Speaker 5: float Scalise and Emmer's names. And he has floated both

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Speaker 5: of those names, honestly, because they're so obviously at least

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Speaker 5: the same as McCarthy, if not worse. And I think

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Speaker 5: that really gives Gates's critics some some serious ammo because

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Speaker 5: and it puts weight on their side of the argument

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Speaker 5: that this was personal, because if you're suggesting you get

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Speaker 5: rid of Kevin McCarthy and go to Steve Scalise or

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Speaker 5: to Tom Emmer, it looks like maybe your problem was

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Speaker 5: just with McCarthy and not McCarthy's ideology. Met Gates was

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Speaker 5: out yesterday tub thumping about special interests and people wanting

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Speaker 5: to be speaker and spending their whole careers building up

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Speaker 5: to that. Tom Emmer and Steve Scalise embody the problems

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Speaker 5: that he was raging against yesterday. So it's it's quite

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Speaker 5: amusing that he would float their names.

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Speaker 3: And we got to move, We got to move on

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Speaker 3: pretty quickly, but curious for your take on this. McCarthy

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Speaker 3: suggested that the reason that Democrats didn't back Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: like didn't bail him out. Yeah, and Democrats have publicly

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Speaker 3: said that it was because McCarthy lied about you know,

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Speaker 3: he hurt their feelings over the weekend by saying that

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Speaker 3: they were part they wanted a government shutdown. That's just

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Speaker 3: like transparently not a credible claim to make, Like, you

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Speaker 3: don't make major decisions based on whether your feelings are

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Speaker 3: hurt what somebody says on a Sunday show. So the question, well,

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Speaker 3: Emily does, but the question remains open. Then, so why

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Speaker 3: didn't Democrats help? McCarthy's theory was that he's a very

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Speaker 3: good fundraiser. Democrats want to take back the house. If

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Speaker 3: you take a if you take tens of millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars off the table, that hobbles them a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And if Scalise, like you said, replaces him and can't

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Speaker 3: travel because he's getting chemotherapy for blood cancer. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this cynical grows stuff. But that's tens of millions of

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Speaker 3: more potentially off the table. Because rich people often don't

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Speaker 3: just hand over mine like they ought to if they

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Speaker 3: care about the project, but they have to be wined

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Speaker 3: and dined, and it takes work to extract that money

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Speaker 3: from their bank account. Y just not wiring it over.

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Speaker 3: So does this help Democrats take over the House.

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Speaker 6: That's a really good point.

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Speaker 5: And this is another one of the things that Kevin

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Speaker 5: McCarthy just dripped out yesterday. We were talking earlier about

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Speaker 5: how it was so chaotic yesterday that these you know

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Speaker 5: what would be like huge pieces of information, revelatory information.

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Speaker 3: He said he got this from sources inside the Democratic Caucus.

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Speaker 5: He told a story about when he took over, he

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Speaker 5: was talking to Nancy Pelosi or when he was going

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Speaker 5: through these fifteen ballots, and she was like, well, what

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Speaker 5: do they want?

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Speaker 6: What's wrong? And he said, they want the motion of

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Speaker 6: a Kate and she was like, just give it to them.

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Speaker 5: This is Kevin McCarthy saying this yesterday at a press

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Speaker 5: conference after he lost the vote, where he is just

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Speaker 5: like the sour grapes are exploding. I mean, he's he's bitter,

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Speaker 5: but he's also trying to convince people that he's totally fine.

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Speaker 3: It's like after the New Favors that I'm mad he's like.

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Speaker 5: You know me, like I'm an optimist, but screw this place.

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Speaker 5: Everything is going to burn down. He was doing both

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Speaker 5: of them at the same time, but he said Nancy

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Speaker 5: Pelosi basically promised that Democrats would back him up if

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Speaker 5: Republicans had a motion to vacate Hakim Jeffries.

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Speaker 6: You made this point yesterday. Maybe Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: Should have made his deal with Akiem Jefferies and not

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Speaker 5: Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 6: Ananty Pelosi missed the vote.

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Speaker 5: She's in California for Dane Feinstein's funeral, and acting Speaker

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Speaker 5: Patrick McHenry from California who is now the interim speaker

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Speaker 5: because of a post nine to eleven law for the

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Speaker 5: security of government and all of that took away her hideaway,

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Speaker 5: which is another crazy like one of the first. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so the stuff is getting crazy. But basically, Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 5: revealed that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He should have made a deal with Jefferies, should have

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Speaker 3: made a deal with Jeffries. Having a deal with your

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Speaker 3: old landlord.

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Speaker 5: That it's not superwful, the last guy said, but you

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Speaker 5: know it's funny because you know, like Pelosi still holds

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Speaker 5: a lot of power over on the the dem side

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Speaker 5: in their caucus.

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Speaker 6: And you know, she's obviously.

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Speaker 5: Was very close with Dane Feinstein, and I imagine is

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Speaker 5: not involved in the drama as much as she would

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Speaker 5: be if she were here in d C.

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Speaker 6: And not Morning Diane Feinstein.

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Speaker 5: But it's quite interesting that she didn't step in and

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Speaker 5: tell Jeffries not to whip that vote, because clearly he

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Speaker 5: was whipping that vote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, it was.

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Speaker 8: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a discipline party, amazing in contrast their public party.

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Speaker 3: It's weird, sure.

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Speaker 5: Is well, and there was just my last thought would

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Speaker 5: be there's a Jake Sherman tweet yesterday from punch Bowl saying,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's amazing you look back and you see

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Speaker 5: that House Republicans have been at war with their leadership

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Speaker 5: for like the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 6: And my response to that was like, the.

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Speaker 5: Senate is slouching, and we'll talk about that later in

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Speaker 5: the show, but it's you know, my boss. Only Hemingway

685
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Speaker 5: turned it around. She was like, actually, it's really you're

686
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Speaker 5: seeing this wrong. It's it's really or my bos Jon

687
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Speaker 5: Davis said, it's really that the leadership has been at

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Speaker 5: war with the Republican voters for fifteen years and what

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Speaker 5: you're seeing are these occasional sort of breaking po to

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Speaker 5: use a phrase with the.

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Speaker 6: Base, because the base wants it.

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Speaker 3: Good time.

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Speaker 5: All right, Let's move on to another huge story. Seventy

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Speaker 5: five thousand nurses medical professionals now striking over Kaiser. Contract

695
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Speaker 5: negotiations failed on Saturday, so the contract ran out. They've

696
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Speaker 5: been negotiating until this morning. We didn't know if the

697
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Speaker 5: walkout would happen, but it did. Tens of thousands of

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Speaker 5: workers on the line here, nursing staffing shortages one of

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Speaker 5: the sort of quietly one of the biggest problems in

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Speaker 5: labor right now. It hit the just absolutely hit the

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Speaker 5: forefront of the discourse and this huge labor conversation that

702
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Speaker 5: has been roiling the country for at least the last year.

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Speaker 6: Seventy five thousand jobs.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, we can put up a one here. Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: if you are a patient with Kaiser, I used to be.

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Speaker 3: Kaiser's actually pretty cool, kind of vertically integrated. You know

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Speaker 3: much about Kaiser perponent. It's this like vertically integrated, integrated

708
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Speaker 3: healthcare system where you know, when you're in they've got

709
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Speaker 3: everything for you, like they've got that's where the specialists are.

710
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Speaker 3: That's where your GP is and it's all owned by

711
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: it's all the same company. Basically trying to be not

712
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Speaker 3: just single payer but also kind of nationalized healthcare but private, privatized.

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Speaker 3: It's the vision that a lot of people on the

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Speaker 3: left have, they say, except it shouldn't be profit oriented.

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Speaker 3: The healthcare professionals are demanding a minimum wage of at

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Speaker 3: least twenty five dollars to start, along with increases of

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Speaker 3: sixty seven percent. Kais are currently pays in twenty one

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Speaker 3: dollars to start, and it's offering four percent year over

719
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Speaker 3: year increases. But the major demand, and the thing that

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Speaker 3: I think everyone across the board supports, is that they

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Speaker 3: want more staff. Because anybody who's been to a hospital

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Speaker 3: or any any clinic in the last couple of years,

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Speaker 3: are almost a decade, knows that they're short staffed. And

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Speaker 3: what you're seeing is that that leading to burnout, which

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Speaker 3: leads to mistakes. Mistakes cost tens of thousands of deaths

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Speaker 3: every year. And then the more burnout, the more people leave,

727
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Speaker 3: and the more short staffed you are. And so we've

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Speaker 3: got to do something to turn to turn that around.

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Speaker 5: That is the big, the big question that is hanging

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Speaker 5: over this again, this is the largest healthcare strike in

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Speaker 5: the history of the country.

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Speaker 6: So that's seventy five thousand.

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Speaker 3: It's only scheduled for three days, but still, if you're

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Speaker 3: involved in that, that's life or death.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly yeah, right, and that's a very big deal.

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Speaker 5: And the problem is Kaiser itself is between a rock

737
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Speaker 5: and a hard place because they can't just create more nurses.

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Speaker 5: They can't just create more radiology and X ray attacks.

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Speaker 5: They are ultrasound tax This is this is a big

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Speaker 5: problem for healthcare in general, and what nurses particularly want

741
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Speaker 5: is more scheduling flexibility. In fact, that's why a lot

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Speaker 5: of people pursue the nursing career, especially women. It allows

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Speaker 5: you to have a really meaningful career and then also

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Speaker 5: to have this flexible schedule where you can take care

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Speaker 5: of your kids and you sort of do both if

746
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Speaker 5: you want to. It's actually why a lot of people

747
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Speaker 5: pursue that line of work. And COVID, the COVID burnout

748
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Speaker 5: just exacerbated existing trends there was already because baby boomers

749
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Speaker 5: are aging to this point where we knew this was

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Speaker 5: coming for a long time.

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Speaker 6: You have this.

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Speaker 5: Explosion in the need for care and this explosion the

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Speaker 5: need for medical professionals. A lot of boomers are needing

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Speaker 5: more and more doctors as they get older and older,

755
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Speaker 5: and so we knew this was coming. COVID exacerbates everything

756
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Speaker 5: and now you have it puts Kaiser honestly in a

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Speaker 5: tough spot. It's not I wouldn't want to be in

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Speaker 5: Kaiser's spot because if the problem is wages, it's to

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Speaker 5: the point you made which obvious.

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Speaker 6: So they are asking for higher wages.

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Speaker 5: That's one thing you can, you know, maybe do some math,

762
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Speaker 5: figure out how to make that work. You can't fabricate

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Speaker 5: new X ray technicians. You can't just create new nurses

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Speaker 5: out of thin air.

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Speaker 3: Right. What this country needs it's interesting, is we need

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Speaker 3: more housing, and we need more workers and the one

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Speaker 3: potential and we at the same time we're faced with

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Speaker 3: what is being described as a migration and as a

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Speaker 3: migration crisis. Like there's got to be some way that

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Speaker 3: on a hemispheric basis, you could solve this problem, whether

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Speaker 3: it's whether it's building more nursing schools here in the

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Speaker 3: United States or in Guatemala ondors Venezuela. Like what we're

773
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Speaker 3: doing isn't working, and we have we have serious needs

774
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Speaker 3: that everyone needs met. So just from a selfish perspective,

775
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Speaker 3: like if we do have a staffing problem when it

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Speaker 3: comes to constructing new housing and when it comes to

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Speaker 3: nursing and medical care, there are people that want work,

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Speaker 3: that need jobs, and people that need housing, Like, we

779
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Speaker 3: could actually do this, but it would require us to

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Speaker 3: kind of be a little bit more kind of we'd

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Speaker 3: have to get out of the cages that we've built

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Speaker 3: around what we're able to think about when it comes

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Speaker 3: to constructing a society.

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Speaker 5: Well, another really big part of this is higher education. Now,

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Speaker 5: a lot of nurses have four year degrees, not all

786
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Speaker 5: of them do, and there are a lot of people

787
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Speaker 5: with four year degrees right now who are underpaid. And

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Speaker 5: I'm not just talking about nurses, I'm talking about people

789
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Speaker 5: who have liberal arts degrees and went to work in

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Speaker 5: what was a tech bubble, what was a social media

791
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Speaker 5: bubble that we are now seeing contract in ways that

792
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Speaker 5: have been very disruptive for people who have these degrees.

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Speaker 5: We're making really comfortable livings or in some cases weren't

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Speaker 5: but had the hopes of making really comfortable livings who

795
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Speaker 5: are now out of a job or potentially out of

796
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Speaker 5: a job, feel very insecure about their job status. Who

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Speaker 5: had they not? You know, our system pushes you down

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Speaker 5: the four year degree paths so incessantly that you know,

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Speaker 5: you get all of the student loan debt, you're not

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Speaker 5: making enough money, or you make some money, and then

801
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Speaker 5: you get fired and you can't find another job or

802
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Speaker 5: get laid off. You're not going to find another job

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Speaker 5: where you make that much money and have that much

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Speaker 5: you know, have such a relaxed profession and you know what,

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Speaker 5: honestly a lot of people could have been making more

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Speaker 5: money with less debt going down the nursing path too.

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Speaker 5: Like we just have these weird gaps in our workforce

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Speaker 5: because of the four year degree push over.

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Speaker 6: And over again. This is your ticket to the middle class.

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Speaker 6: And then people get it.

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Speaker 5: They have eighty thousand dollars in debt and aren't making

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Speaker 5: nearly enough to pay that off for twenty years. These

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Speaker 5: are good paying jobs, and so I mean good for

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Speaker 5: the good for the medical professionals, not just nurses, but

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Speaker 5: the texts for pushing for higher wages and for pushing

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Speaker 5: for more flexibility.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully they get it and it.

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Speaker 5: Makes it more attractive to other people who could just

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Speaker 5: they could have better lives.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a great point. The more attractive you can

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Speaker 3: make it to get into either teaching or nursing for me,

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Speaker 3: the better. My brothers. My brother's a nurse, and it's

823
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Speaker 3: just it's a it's a brutal profession. So it's so hard,

824
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Speaker 3: also so rewarding. It's heroic. So thank you to him,

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Speaker 3: and thank you to everybo. He's coming to visit this

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Speaker 3: weekend thing, so shout out to him and also to

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Speaker 3: everybody else in the nursing and healthcare field. And I

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Speaker 3: hope that they get what they wants. That you get

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Speaker 3: more support from people coming in. It does appear like

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Speaker 3: the country is supportive of not just these workers, but

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Speaker 3: workers across the country. If we can put up B

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Speaker 3: two here. This is a poll from Navigator Research finding

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Speaker 3: a couple of interesting things. Key takeaways here, UAW and

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Speaker 3: Writers Guild, even after these long strikes, are viewed more

835
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Speaker 3: favorably rather than unfavorably for people who are kind of

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Speaker 3: new to labor conflict, and that's basically everyone in this

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Speaker 3: country because we haven't had serious labor conflicts for a

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Speaker 3: long time. That's kind of new. Like the American public

839
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Speaker 3: generally supports striking workers in theory, but the second they

840
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Speaker 3: actually strike, support for them collapses. So the fact that

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Speaker 3: even amid the strikes you're seeing support for them is

842
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Speaker 3: unusual and is hopeful. Now Partly that's because union density

843
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Speaker 3: is so low that it doesn't affect a whole lot

844
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Speaker 3: of people. So you know, once it gets if you

845
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Speaker 3: could get to thirty or forty percent, then you start

846
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Speaker 3: to see people complaining again. So it says four and

847
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Speaker 3: five Americans support right to bargain collectively. That's like kind

848
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Speaker 3: of reaching record levels more than three and four support

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Speaker 3: the employees are on strike in both of these cases.

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Speaker 3: And then interesting their final takeaway on the two parties here,

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Speaker 3: half of Americans say Democratic Party and Joe Biden are

852
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Speaker 3: more supportive of labor unions than Republicans, and three in

853
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Speaker 3: five say that Trump has always looked out for big

854
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Speaker 3: corporations and rich people like himself instead of American workers.

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Speaker 3: Is that a surprising finding, You.

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Speaker 6: Know, it's probably worth mentioning.

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Speaker 5: This is a less leaning poll with I actually think

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Speaker 5: the firm has some ties to the UAW and that

859
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Speaker 5: question I would have to see how it was written.

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Speaker 6: It seems kind of loaded, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Really people like himself that loaded up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a little of a leading question, but no, I

863
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Speaker 5: don't think that's particularly the.

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Speaker 3: Particularly if you ask the American public, does Trump care

865
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Speaker 3: about only himself? You would think, yeah, like we're not dumb,

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Speaker 3: we all know.

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Speaker 6: But you know that that's a great first.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Republican candidates should be looking at polling like this.

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Speaker 5: I've seen, you know, other polling to this extent too.

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Speaker 5: We talked about a recent American compass pool. You know,

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Speaker 5: Republicans in a recent it was I think it was

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Speaker 5: Gallup Pool, it may have been Pew said that they

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Speaker 5: trust Republicans in the economy more than Democrats.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 5: Labor issues how they factor into that as a fascinating question.

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Speaker 5: But Republican candidates who have no chance against Donald Trump

877
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: at this point, maybe a tiny chance and we could

878
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: have egg on our face six months from now, but

879
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: their odds of beating Donald Trump are slim to none,

880
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 5: even though there's still but they're trying really hard. They

881
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: should pay attention to the public sentiment on labor. If

882
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 5: they are going to be those types of politicians that

883
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: sort of just go wherever the wind blows, they probably

884
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 5: will want to weigh in on one side of this.

885
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 5: It might hurt them with their donors, but it doesn't

886
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 5: make any sense to keep talking about unions in the

887
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: way some of those candidates have talked about unions because

888
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 5: of this.

889
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: Moving on to our man Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden, we

890
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: can put this up here. Pleaded not guilty yesterday to

891
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: charges to basically his gun charge. And for people who

892
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: haven't followed this, Hunter Biden was charged with buying a

893
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: gun and checking on a form that he was not

894
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: currently using drugs, which you have to do in order

895
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: to get right, and it would be so it's a

896
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: federal it's a felony. I guess it would be amazing

897
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: if he tried to say, well, I wasn't on drugs

898
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: that second when I checked that form, and the last

899
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: time I gotten high. I swore it was going to

900
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: be the last time I ever got high. And then

901
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: I got high later that day and that was a relapse.

902
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: But relapse is part of recovery, and so you cannot

903
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: prove that I was high the second that I checked

904
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 3: that form. That would be an amazing thing to put

905
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: in front of a jury. Now he has written in

906
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: his memoir and there's been plenty of reporting that he

907
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: was kind of in the middle of a long time vendor.

908
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: But it's it's the question is actually worded in a

909
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: funny way on the form the form yeah, like are

910
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: you on drugs at the moment? Doesn't say at the moment,

911
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: but it's like it suggests present tense.

912
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 5: Right right, as opposed to are you battling a long

913
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Speaker 5: term drug addiction?

914
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: And he maybe probably was at the time high, but

915
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: you do we know beyond a reasonable doubt that he was,

916
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: So I'm here he is heading into court. So this,

917
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: of course also is the fallout of that plea deal

918
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: fault that collapse.

919
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: Yes in July, right, So the plea deal collapsed in

920
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 5: just spectacular fashion in July where a Trump appointed judge

921
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 5: looked at the plea deal that Hunter Biden that actually

922
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 5: the prosecutors so the government we're bringing to Hunter Biden

923
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 5: and said, wait one second, what on earth is this

924
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 5: and basically made them go back to the drawing board.

925
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 6: It was a crazy plea deal. To be fair, like, she.

926
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Speaker 5: Was not wrong in that case because they were letting

927
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 5: him just plead guilty to tax charges and then he

928
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 5: wouldn't get prosecuted on the gun charge, or they'd let

929
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Speaker 5: him off the hook on the on the gun charge.

930
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Speaker 5: So obviously he's violated numerous tax laws because he was

931
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Speaker 5: going to plead guilty on those counts, and we know it.

932
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: I mean, we have enough records at this point to

933
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Speaker 5: see that he at least was engaged in.

934
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Speaker 6: Some tax evasion.

935
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Speaker 5: The gun thing, though, is really interesting because this Jonathan

936
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: Turley had a blog post on this. If you move

937
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 5: back the timeline on Hunter Brden's sobriety to the point

938
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Speaker 5: where he can plausibly plause claim he's pleading not guilty,

939
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 5: so the point where he can plausibly claim he was

940
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Speaker 5: sober at this point in his history, so in twenty eighteen,

941
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: it takes away that excuse for a lot of the

942
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Speaker 5: influence pedaling that the Biden family has used about how listen,

943
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 5: my son was battling a drug addiction, he was battling

944
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Speaker 5: his demons during this influence peddling scheme twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

945
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: You can't really have that excuse if you're claiming you

946
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 5: got sober in twenty eighteen. So that's a legitimate question

947
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 5: for the Biden defense.

948
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: More broadly, couldn't greed just be enough of an explanation

949
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: for guess why you're cashing in on your last name Greed.

950
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: And I mean, honestly, Hunter Biden's best defense is that

951
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 5: this is normal normally, this is literally how.

952
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 6: Business gets done.

953
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 5: This is how foreign policy is made, and I didn't

954
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Speaker 5: know anything else.

955
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 6: I've ever known.

956
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: One of my favorite clips ever is Donald Trump Junior

957
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 3: getting on TV and saying, it's so shocking that somebody

958
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: would use their last name profit. Can you imagine? Wow?

959
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: Can you imagine Donald Trump Junior? If somebody ever did that, well,

960
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: that would be outrageous. And if they did it while

961
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: on drugs?

962
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 7: Wow.

963
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 6: He earned his spot on Celebrity.

964
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: Apprentice, he did. He fought for that. Celebrity Apprentice Junior, Yeah.

965
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 6: He fought for that spot.

966
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 5: Celebrity Apprentice was a great show. But anyway, this is

967
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 5: the end of the Reuters article on the Hunter Biden thing.

968
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: They say some legal experts have said that any firearms

969
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 5: related charges against Hunter Biden could be vulnerable to a

970
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 5: constitutional challenge after the US Supreme Court last year, in

971
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 5: a landmark ruling, expanded gun rights under the US Constitution's

972
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 5: Second Amendment, which protects the right to bear arms This

973
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: is another story that can scramble all the existing ideological

974
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 5: fault lines.

975
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 6: Hunter Biden Second Amendment champion. It's a serious.

976
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 5: Problem for Joe Biden if Hunter is fighting for I

977
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 5: really like the rights of gun owners.

978
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: And if I were a constitutional lawyer, which obviously I

979
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: am not, I'd be like, look, how can you have

980
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: a well regulated militia if everybody's high. You know, you

981
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: got to be able to regulate the drug intake of

982
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: your militia. Somehow they've just like scratched that part of

983
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment out, the well regulated militia.

984
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 6: If this goes to the Supreme Court, I mean, I

985
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 6: don't even.

986
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they just they would toss this out absolutely,

987
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: So yes, you could walk in completely blasted, yeah, and

988
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: just walk out with whatever with an RPG.

989
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 5: The single best litigation of the Second Amendment remains the

990
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 5: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode where they sort of

991
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: respectively test their positions on the Second Amendment. Dennis and

992
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 5: d try to prove that it's really easy to buy

993
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 5: a gun. Charlie and Frank and Mac or I think

994
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 5: maybe just Charlie Mack try to prove that it's really

995
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 5: hard to buy a gun and everything just gets thrown

996
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 5: up in the air. It's really amazing. So check that

997
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 5: out if you haven't. But hunter Biden's attorney has said

998
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: that he's going to file a motion to dismiss the case.

999
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 5: He's Bill thinks the July agreement is an effect. He

1000
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 5: believed the statute was unconstitutional.

1001
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 6: Man.

1002
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 5: This is, you know, obviously a serious case for hunter

1003
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 5: Biden because could it could actually potentially involve prison time.

1004
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 6: Obviously we're talking about a felony.

1005
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 5: There are many other charges against hunter Biden could that

1006
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 5: could be pending. He still has not been charged with

1007
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: a fair of violation which partially sent Paul.

1008
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 6: Manafort to jail.

1009
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 5: What foreign lobbying, right, Yeah, the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

1010
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 5: He clearly is in violation affair. It is just like

1011
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 5: the most obvious fair of violation, like multiple fare of

1012
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 5: violations that you can imagine, but he hasn't been charged

1013
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: with it, and that's a big looming problem for him.

1014
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 6: Nobody had really gone to prison.

1015
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 5: I think there was like one case of somebody who

1016
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: went to prison for a fair of violation, which is

1017
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 5: a felony before Paul Manifort ended up going to prison

1018
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: for it. But Paul Manaphort went to prison for it,

1019
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 5: and Tony Pedesta did it. So that's a I think

1020
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 5: also a really big problem for the FBI, for the

1021
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 5: DOJ in general when he's still not charged with that.

1022
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: So let's move on to the Supreme Court. Yesterday, So

1023
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: in the Supreme Court, Payday lenders took the CFPB in

1024
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 3: and said, the way that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

1025
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: is structured is unconstitutional and we can put up D

1026
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: one here and ought to be ruled as such, basically

1027
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: invalidating not just the CFPB but actually also the Federal Reserve,

1028
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: which is which is not funded through the regular appropriations process.

1029
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: The PAIDA lenders had come up with this kind of

1030
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 3: arcane and novel legal theory that Congress is only able

1031
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: to fund things certain ways. And so the way that

1032
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: Congress funds the CFPB is it says, CFPB gets six

1033
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars plus you know right, you know, cost

1034
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: of living increases, and it is funded through the Federal Reserve.

1035
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: The Federal Reserve, so that is the way. So you

1036
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: can't come in through the regular appropriations process and cut

1037
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: that off. But what you could do if Republicans had

1038
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: control of Congress and the White House. They could say

1039
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 3: it's four hundred million from the federal reserve. Like Congress

1040
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 3: still maintained some control over it. We've got we've got

1041
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 3: Alena go ahead.

1042
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 6: Well, I was exactly.

1043
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 5: I think that was because there already was a challenge.

1044
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 5: I think mcmulvaney mounted a challenge when he was the

1045
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 5: head of the CFPB, and so I think it actually

1046
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 5: changed the funding mechanism, had some congressional oversight after the change.

1047
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 6: I don't know that it originally did. I think it

1048
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 6: was originally all derived from the FED.

1049
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: It was, But what I mean by congressional oversight is

1050
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: that they can change the laws, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: So here's Alana Kagan going back and forth at the

1052
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: Court yesterday.

1053
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 14: Just sort of I mean, this is six hundred million

1054
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 14: dollars and this is a rounding error in the federal budget,

1055
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 14: honestly six hundred million dollars and says up to six

1056
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 14: hundred million dollars. I mean you say, oh, it's it's

1057
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 14: impossible to need it. I mean, if the CFB, it's

1058
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 14: a pretty new agency, and presumably its regulatory programs are

1059
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 14: going to develop over time. Congress thoughts six hundred million

1060
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 14: dollars was a pretty good number. Maybe that will prove

1061
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 14: to be too high and Congress will cut it back.

1062
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 14: Maybe over time the CFPP actually will hit six hundred

1063
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 14: million dollars because they'll create new programs that But anyway,

1064
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 14: six hundred million dollars four hundred million dollars the CFPP.

1065
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 6: There was a.

1066
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 14: Statement that the Chief Justice made one of his year

1067
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 14: end reports, talked about how great it was that we

1068
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 14: returned moneies to the Federal Treasury, because that meant that

1069
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 14: we weren't wasteful. So the CFPP is not being wasteful,

1070
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 14: and it's using what it should be using in its

1071
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 14: view and generously, you know, basically saying.

1072
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Speaker 4: Not the rest.

1073
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 14: What is is what is so constitutionally, so.

1074
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Speaker 15: A couple of things you honor first of all, respectively,

1075
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 15: I probably push back on the premise that the CFPB

1076
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 15: is being parsimonious. I think what they are doing is

1077
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 15: asking for large amounts and rolling over a good chunk

1078
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 15: of that into their endowment. But I'll put that to

1079
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 15: the side. When you look at the caps, I think

1080
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 15: you have to look at it both from the back

1081
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 15: end and the front end. On the back end, I

1082
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 15: think most of us seem to agree, and I think

1083
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 15: sort of the government agrees that there has to be

1084
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 15: some kind of upper limit, and if there is an

1085
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 15: upper limit, it's got to be meaningful. The fact that

1086
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 15: they've never actually hit that upper limit is pretty good

1087
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 15: evidence that it's not that meaningful limit. But I think

1088
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 15: the other thing you have to look at it is

1089
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 15: it from the front.

1090
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 14: Maybe it is good evidence that the CFPB should be

1091
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 14: doing more sexy stuff.

1092
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 5: We know, like this is juicy, but it actually is

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Speaker 5: incredibly consequential. And I'm going to ask Ryan in a

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Speaker 5: second to give us some sort of flesh out why

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Speaker 5: this is so important. What the CFPB does a little

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Speaker 5: bit of its history. But Vox had a This is

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00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 5: from Ian Milheiser. I think we already put it up

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00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 5: on the screen, so you can check out that article

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00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 5: if you want. But Ian Milheiser points out, having listened

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00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 5: to these oral arguments while chaos was enveloping the capital

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 5: just a few blocks away, that Kavanaugh and Amy Coney

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00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 5: Barrett both quote showed little patients for Francisco. So that

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00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: is the Trump solicitor general who's going after this case

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00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 5: to his attacks on the CFPB, so little patients. Now,

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00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 5: my favorite quote here is actually from Clarence Thomas, who

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00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 5: asked Francisco to complete the sentence. Quote, funding of the

1107
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 5: CFPP violates the approach appropriation's clause because and it did

1108
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 5: not go well. So you are getting basically piled on,

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00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 5: they said. Ian Milheuser said basically after listening that it

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00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 5: seemed like only Alido was strongly in the anti CFPB

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 5: camp in this case, but basically all the Trump appointed

1112
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 5: justices and then Clarence Thomas, who a doesn't speak that

1113
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 5: much in these questions back and forth much more now

1114
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 5: than he used to, but b is obviously a staunch conservative,

1115
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 5: going back and forth and losing their patients with Francisco

1116
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 5: who's litigating this case and basically tearing apart the substance

1117
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 5: of the argument in front of him, to the point

1118
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 5: where Clarence Thomas comes in says funding of the CFPB

1119
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 5: violates the preparations clause because and Francisco didn't come back

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Speaker 5: with a clean answer.

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Speaker 6: That's a really brutal situation.

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00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 5: Can you tell us a little bit about the quick

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00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 5: history of the CFPB and why all this matters so much?

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: Right? This was Elizabeth Warren's baby she wrote about it

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00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 3: in a Law Review article, and then and then came

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00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: to Congress. Before she was in Congress and was kind

1127
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: of like the lead champion of it. She was running

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00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: the Bailout Oversight Committee that got her a bunch of

1129
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: viral moments. She was on John Stewart, So she became

1130
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: this like big consumer advocate in the wake of the

1131
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: financial crisis. And then she used that political capital push

1132
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: for the creation of the originally called the CFP A

1133
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: age it to the CFP B. And one of the

1134
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: things that they fought for was this was this fed

1135
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: funding stream that would then make it harder for kind

1136
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 3: of future Congresses to come in and cut funding because

1137
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: often what Republicans or Wall Street back democrats would do

1138
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: is they would say, you know, you can't use any

1139
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: funding for X thing.

1140
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 6: So circumvent that.

1141
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: Right. So it doesn't completely circumvent it, because like I said,

1142
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: Congress can still come in and change that law, but

1143
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: they it's harder for them to do it. And if

1144
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 3: you make Congress work a little harder, then they do

1145
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: they do fewer things because then they have to do

1146
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: it in public and that requires more public support. And

1147
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: so that was the thing what what Warren wanted was

1148
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: a public fight over this question, because she knew she

1149
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 3: didn't have Wall Street on her side. They were going

1150
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: to lose if it was you know, money it was

1151
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: it was a moneyed, inside baseball fight. She wanted it

1152
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: to be fought in public. She had this famous quote

1153
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: or said, if they try to weaken it, I'd rather

1154
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: have a bunch of blood and teeth on the Senate

1155
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: floor and get nothing at all, because she felt like

1156
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: in a battle between you know, people swinging clubs on

1157
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: the Senate floor with the public watching, that they were

1158
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: going to win. And so they ended up winning this

1159
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: particular provision which gives it a fun a streaming amount

1160
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: of money from the Federal Reserve every year that they

1161
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: can then count on, and the Federal Reserve is also

1162
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: kind of itself funded that way. So it would create

1163
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: this weird situation where you wouldn't have a FED either,

1164
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: which some people will be like, oh, that's a great idea,

1165
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: but okay, well go look up what things were like

1166
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: before the FED. The FED was actually a creation of

1167
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: the populist movement, which people forget. And it's so interesting

1168
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: that one hundred years later, the populist movement hates the FED.

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Speaker 6: Here we are, well, like, that's an important point.

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Speaker 5: Like one of the reasons I think, especially some of

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 5: the libertarian wings of the broader conservative movement or people

1172
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 5: in the liberty hering win of the broader conservative movement

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00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: want to use some muscle to go after the CFPB

1174
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 5: is precisely because the Fed. You could be going after

1175
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 5: the FED in and of itself, like that's uh. And

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00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 5: that's why this is important that if you know, this

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Speaker 5: had been a really strong oral argument for Francisco, you

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 5: then actually do have to start questioning how the FED

1179
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 5: is funded constitutionally. If it looked like Trump's justices were

1180
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 5: going to go in one direction, like like Thomas was

1181
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 5: going to go in one direction, like Alda was all

1182
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: going to go in that direction, then yeah.

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00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 6: We're I mean.

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Speaker 5: And and the case that's on the table right now

1185
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 5: is Chevron. That can absolutely uproot the way the government functions.

1186
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Speaker 5: And so there's still some room for that to happen

1187
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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: Conservatives argue that the CFPP makes decisions for consumers in

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00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: some cases, not all, but in some cases that consumers

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00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: are better off making than the federal government. That's the

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00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 5: broad conservative argument against the CFPB, But there is also

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 5: this existential question of whether the funding mechanism just invalidates

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01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 5: the existence of the CFPB and whether that the constitutionality

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 5: of that arrangement would then cont question.

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Speaker 3: Things like the fact and turns out even according to

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Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas, it doesn't, which raises this. This is a

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Speaker 3: an appeal of a Fifth Circuit ruling which went for

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Speaker 3: the payday lenders, which means we ought to shut down

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Speaker 3: the Fifth Circuit until we can figure out what is

1201
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: going on, like how they could possibly come up with

1202
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: a ruling that would be this wild that even Clarence

1203
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: Thomas loses patience with it, suggests that we need a

1204
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 3: reform of the circuit court. Then we could just skip

1205
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: the Fifth like the Fifth, and people like plaintiffs go

1206
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: shopping to get into the Fifth because it's filled with

1207
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: so many nut jobs that are going to produce rulings

1208
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 3: like this that if they try to get into there,

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01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: and it just wastes everybody's time, because then even Clarence

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01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 3: Thomas is like, guys, are you serious with this.

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Speaker 5: Good free speech rulings out of the Fifth Circuit Circuit recently?

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 5: There you go, But That's the point that Ian Miilheiser

1213
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 5: brought up, is that it shows that there's daylight between

1214
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 5: the Trump Justices and Clarence Thomas and Alito and the

1215
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: Fifth Circuit. Maybe not Aledo on some questions, which is

1216
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 5: actually again like I know, the sun's weedy stuff.

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 6: That is a big deal.

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01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 3: We should let Aledo go serve on the Fifth Circuit.

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 6: Just swap them out.

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to take some beleaguered democrat from the Fifth Circuit,

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: it was just like down there shaking her head and

1222
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: all of these rulings. Let her come to the Supreme

1223
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: Court and then Alito can go down there.

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 6: You see what happens. That'd be fun experience free Bill.

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01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on to an intercept story actually

1226
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 5: about Apple about privacy, Ryan that was published this week.

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Speaker 5: Tell us a little bit about the reporting that you

1228
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: guys published, you.

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Speaker 3: Would put this element up here. So this is a

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: really wild investigation from Sam Biddle, new group attacking iPhone encryption,

1231
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 3: backed by US political dark money network. And so to

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01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: give a little bit of the backstory here, this is

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: about an organization called the Heat Initiative, which calls itself

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: a nonprofit child safety advocacy group, so people might remember that.

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty one, Apple announced that it had

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Speaker 3: developed a way to kind of crawl through all of

1237
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: its user's photos and it was going to look for

1238
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 3: It was going to look for child pornography content, and

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: then it was going to then alert the FEDS that

1240
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: it had found this. And there were one you could

1241
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 3: kind of have an algorithm that tries to figure out, okay,

1242
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: is this The other is you can match it against

1243
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: a database of known kind of child pornographic content. That is,

1244
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: we probably won't even put this video up on YouTube,

1245
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: will just get nuked by the algorithm. Speaking of which,

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01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: and so they announced that they were going to do

1247
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: this as a way of fighting kind of child chex trafficking.

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01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 3: People immediately pointed out, like, hey, wait a minute. If

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01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: you are going to be having Apple crawling through everybody's photos,

1250
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: even for a cause that everybody you know supports in principle,

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 3: who else can crawl through Apple's photos? That means any

1252
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: hacker who can you get inside this tool that you're using,

1253
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: would then have access. So you're creating a new window

1254
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 3: for people to crawl in. It means any foreign government

1255
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 3: or domestic government that wanted to get access to your

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01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 3: your iCloud storage data could get in there as well.

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Speaker 3: And then if you're going to do that for child

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01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 3: sex trafficking, why wouldn't you do it for other things.

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01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 3: Let's check if you're a fentanyl dealer. Let's check to

1260
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: see if you're a tax dodger.

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 6: Let's check to see if you're spreading disinformation.

1262
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: Let's see if you have guns that are not registered.

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01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 5: Right, Well, I mean, what if you had memes that

1264
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 5: spread disinformation. There's a guy who's like getting locked up

1265
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 5: for a meme that did legitimately spread disinformation, but he's

1266
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 5: like in prison.

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Speaker 3: It's like an election thing.

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01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so what if they start scraping your phone

1269
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 5: for memes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So, Apple, to its great credit, said you know what, actually,

1271
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: we're not going to do this anymore. So that's that's

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01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: the backstory to this Biddle investigation. What's wild is that

1273
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 3: so this organization, the Heat Initiative, has been pushing since

1274
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: then to push Apple to return to that. What he

1275
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 3: discovered is that this Heat Initiative is linked to a

1276
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: democratic billionaire backed dark money operation that is the biggest

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Speaker 3: basically democratic operation in the country. They spent like a

1278
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: billion dollars on the election, and so then you're like,

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01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what does a democratic billionaire have to

1280
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: do with this question? Like now, now it turns out

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01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 3: there's there's some Google connections, So maybe you've got some

1282
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: kind of int corporate warfare going on where you know,

1283
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: Google wants to hurt Apple or something weird like that.

1284
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 6: Isn't it fun when that happens?

1285
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's always fun. But what what is going on here? Why?

1286
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 3: Like why? And so it then goes back to the

1287
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: question of encryption.

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: And one of the everything is falling apart in this world,

1290
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: but one of the few things that's going well has

1291
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: been the ad the successful kind of proliferation of encryption

1292
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 3: technology and the inability in some cases of governments to

1293
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Speaker 3: crack it. We were talking about Signal last last week. Yes,

1294
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: everybody should be using signal if they're not, just just

1295
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: because privacy is a value doesn't mean that you're committing

1296
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: crimes that but the journalism that I do, for instance,

1297
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: that involves you know, whistleblowers and sources who are taking risks,

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01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: is is basically impossible to do without encryption technology. The

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 3: FBI and that our government and foreign governments have been

1300
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: have been deeply hostile tocryption, you know, since its advent.

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01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: James Comby in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen was saying, it's

1302
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: going to take us into a very very dark place

1303
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 3: in the world. The old argument used to be that

1304
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: terrorists are going to use this right like that was

1305
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: the thing that law enforcement was using to say, you

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Speaker 3: need to give us a key, you need to give

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Speaker 3: us a backdoor into this encryption. They've now shifted to

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Speaker 3: sex trafficking, child sex trafficking. You need to give us

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Speaker 3: a key into the encryption because of child sex trafficking.

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Speaker 3: And so far, Apple and other encryption organizations have pushed

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Speaker 3: back against this. But Biddle's reporting that there are links

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Speaker 3: to a democratic dark money operation should be deeply frightening

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Speaker 3: to everybody who cares about their privacy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was actually just going to say so.

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Speaker 5: Douglas Mackie is who I was referring to. He faces

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Speaker 5: ten years in prison. I don't think he's in prison.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. He hasn't been sentenced yet.

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Speaker 5: To my knowledge, it was except for except for August sixteenth,

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Speaker 5: but I don't know if that's actually happened. But the

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Speaker 5: point remain that this has actually this software. Here's the

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Speaker 5: New York Times headline. A dad took photos of his

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Speaker 5: naked toddler for the doctor. Google flagged him as a criminal.

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Speaker 5: This is we have real life examples of the abuse

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Speaker 5: of these systems happening already.

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Speaker 6: And so on the one hand, this.

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Speaker 3: Is an insane story when you're talking about people can

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Speaker 3: find this. But yeah, like especially during COVID, people were,

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Speaker 3: you know, doing telemedicine, and if you're doing tell a

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Speaker 3: medicine with a child, like, how else are you going

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Speaker 3: to say, like, hey, doc, can you take a look

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Speaker 3: at this right and tell us like is this does

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Speaker 3: this infection need to be treated immediately? Right? Is this

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Speaker 3: an infection? Can can it wait? Like what should we do?

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Speaker 3: And the robot just flagged that and like ruined this

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Speaker 3: guy's life.

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Speaker 5: Well, of course it did. Like there's no way for

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Speaker 5: a robot to differentiate right between child, doctor, parent, and

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Speaker 5: whatever else. And so it's like this huge you are

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 5: transferring this responsibility again to a robot into massive tech conglomerate.

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Speaker 5: So it's really fascinating that there's billionaire support for this to.

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Speaker 6: Be brought back.

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Speaker 5: I imagine you're right, that there's some sort of like cronyism,

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Speaker 5: and watch what happens legally on this because if there's

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Speaker 5: cronyism involved in that, where you have billionaires lobbying to

1345
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 5: force companies to do things like this, that's going to

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Speaker 5: be really interesting too. I mean, that's a and this

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 5: is a huge problem. Like we've talked on the show

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Speaker 5: many times about pornography laws and about pornography Internet, pornography

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Speaker 5: in general and the proliferation of it. I'm one of

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Speaker 5: the people that thinks you can walk in chew gum

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Speaker 5: at the same time and you can have tighter controls

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Speaker 5: or pornography with like creative laws for that target children.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, the concerns about those laws

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01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 5: are extremely valid. The privacy concerns about those laws are

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Speaker 5: extremely valid. It has to be done in a way

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Speaker 5: that doesn't invade people's privacy to the agree. And this

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Speaker 5: is a really similar I mean it's they're different issues,

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Speaker 5: but it's a really similar thing. Like can we use

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Speaker 5: digital tools to monitor potential child pornographers while also allowing

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Speaker 5: for people's privacy. Obviously yes, But at the same time,

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Speaker 5: when you give the government these tools, when you put

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Speaker 5: your life in the hands of a company the cloud,

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Speaker 5: whether it's Apple or Google. You're giving so much up,

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Speaker 5: and you're giving the government something that it's almost impossible

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Speaker 5: for them to resist using that tool once it exists.

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Speaker 3: And to wrap this up, let's tied into one other

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Speaker 3: viral story recently, Biddle Wrights. The Heat Initiative is held

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Speaker 3: by Sarah Gardner, who joined from Thorn, an anti child

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Speaker 3: trafficking organization funded by actor Ashton Kutcher. Earlier this month,

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Speaker 3: Kutcher stepped down from Thorn following reports that he'd asked

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Speaker 3: to California court for leniency in the sentencing of convicted

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Speaker 3: rapist Danny Masterson. Thorn has drawn scrutiny for its partnership

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Speaker 3: with Palenteer and efforts to provide police with advanced facial

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Speaker 3: recognition software and other sophisticated surveillance tools. Critics say these

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Speaker 3: technologies aren't just uncovering traffic children, but in staring adults

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Speaker 3: engaged in consensual sex work, and more than that, there's

1377
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Speaker 3: a lot more going on here than just concern for

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Speaker 3: the children.

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Speaker 6: All right, Ryan, what are you looking at today?

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Speaker 3: Well, so, the North Carolina legislature recently passed a new

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Speaker 3: law that would exempt from the public public information. Basically,

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Speaker 3: they rewrote their transparency laws to allow the government to

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Speaker 3: sell public information to private entities and even potentially to

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Speaker 3: foreign governments, but to also destroy that information and keep

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Speaker 3: it from the public. Rather scandalous new law that kind

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Speaker 3: of slipped through in the dark of the Dark of Knight.

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Speaker 3: Journalists d L. Anderson and Sarah Sloan of DLA Anderson

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Speaker 3: Productions produced this report for us.

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Speaker 1: I mean the provision, Lad, When I saw the words sell,

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Speaker 1: I just could not believe it. The custodian of any

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Speaker 1: General Assembly record shall determine in the custodian's discretion. So

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Speaker 1: that's saying, if I'm the person, I have it in

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Speaker 1: my record, it's my discretion whether a record is a

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Speaker 1: public record and whether to turn over to the Department

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Speaker 1: of Natural and Cultural Resources. So it's my choice, is

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Speaker 1: it public or not? Do I turn it over to

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Speaker 1: the State Archives? Is essentially what that's saying. Or to retain, destroy, sell, loan,

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Speaker 1: or otherwise dispose of such records. We are being given

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Speaker 1: explicit permission to destroy or sell public records in law.

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Speaker 1: So it came from the Corner Offices, came from Senator

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Speaker 1: Burger and Representative More and they are giving themselves permission

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Speaker 1: to cover their tracks on the heels of the failure

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Speaker 1: of a major piece of legislation that they both actively

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: pushed to legalize casinos in the state, about which there

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01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: have been rampant rumors of public corruption. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if those rumors are true, but if they can cover

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Speaker 1: up their tracks by destroying or selling their previously public

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Speaker 1: records about what happened there, then the public will never know.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it needs guard rails? I mean, at

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Speaker 4: this point there is no checking balance for this.

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Speaker 16: So I think the checking balance basically is that we

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Speaker 16: work within the General Assembly by majorities, and if there

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Speaker 16: are suggested changes that folks would like to see or

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Speaker 16: think are appropriate, I'd like to hear what they are.

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Speaker 3: We'll look at them.

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Speaker 1: I should not be able to sell the public records

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Speaker 1: for personal profit from my public service. And then who

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Speaker 1: do you sell them to? To people who want to

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01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: cover up wrongdoing, to economic interests who want to be

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Speaker 1: able to have a competitive advantage, to foreign governments that

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Speaker 1: want to be able to know what's happening for their

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Speaker 1: own advantage, whatever that is. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: other state in the country that has had this level

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Speaker 1: of power.

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Speaker 3: Graph So this is a pretty incredible response to a

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Speaker 3: scandal bubbling around a casino around you know, casino and

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Speaker 3: gambling that how about we just destroy all the public

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Speaker 3: records they're involved here. And if you caught the reasoning

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Speaker 3: from the assembly member there for why there actually are

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Speaker 3: checks and balances here, he basically said, we operate here

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Speaker 3: by majorities in the General Assembly, and his point to

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Speaker 3: the public is, hey, you don't like it, then you win.

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Speaker 3: You win a majority here in the Assembly and you

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Speaker 3: rewrite the laws. Of course, they're using their majorities there

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Speaker 3: to redraw districts so that it's almost impossible Republicans have

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Speaker 3: a luck despite North Carolina being a swing state, like,

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01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: they really have a lot of these legislative districts locked in.

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Speaker 3: So the check and balance, according to them is the public.

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Speaker 3: But the public is then also systematically drawn out of

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Speaker 3: an ability to kind of elect a new majority. So

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Speaker 3: wild story.

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Speaker 6: It is a wild story, and I always think it's wild. Win.

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Speaker 3: What's your point today.

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Speaker 5: Well, I want to read from a Federalist report this

1445
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 5: week that actually sheds light on something that went largely

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Speaker 5: unnoticed by the legacy media, which is that Mitch McConnell,

1447
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 5: so the Republican leader in the Senate for a very

1448
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 5: very long time, years and years and years, who's obviously

1449
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 5: faced some health problems, has faced mounting skepticism actually of

1450
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 5: his sort of a ability to do the job, both

1451
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 5: on a level of competence, of sort of ideological commitment

1452
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 5: to the Conservative project in general, and then also in

1453
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 5: terms of like this, this health conversation kind of got

1454
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 5: rolled over the weekend when Senate Republicans forced him to

1455
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 5: take a different look at Ukraine aid in the deal

1456
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 5: that averted a government shutdown. So we can put this

1457
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 5: element up on the screen. My colleague Jordan Boyd has

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01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 5: this reporting, she writes. One source familiar with the situation

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 5: told The Federalist that even McConnell quietly acknowledged to his

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01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 5: colleagues that any spending bill, including the Ukraine funding was

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01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 5: not a winning issue for the party. Jordan Wrights, Senate

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 5: minority leader Mitch McConnell suffered a stunning blow this weekend

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01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 5: when Republicans in the upper Chamber disregarded his repeated calls

1464
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 5: for prioritizing Ukraine funding by passing the House GOP short

1465
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 5: term spending bill, which included no provisions for Zelenski. Publicly,

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 5: McConnell pretended his move to find out the war in

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Speaker 5: Ukraine was temporarily tabled for the convenience of avoiding an

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Speaker 5: imminent government shutdown. Behind closed doors, he had a different story. Now,

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Speaker 5: another source told Jordan, when I came in on Saturday morning,

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Speaker 5: I was convinced we were not going to win. The

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Speaker 5: headwinds were totally opposed to us, and then by one

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Speaker 5: o'clock we had decisively defeated McConnell. You didn't hear this

1473
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Speaker 5: story in the legacy press because the legacy press's sources

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Speaker 5: in the Republican among Republican senators are friendly to McConnell.

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Speaker 6: That's why you didn't hear this story.

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Speaker 5: But when you are able to sort of broaden and

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Speaker 5: talk to different people and you don't rely on the same.

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01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 6: Sources over and over again, you get a different story.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's really important because we saw, for instance,

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Speaker 5: Rick Scott unsuccessfully try to challenge Mitch McConnell just last year,

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Speaker 5: and you know, he had more than ten conservative Republican

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 5: senators voting for him. Now, maybe they would have voted differently.

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 5: They thought, actually, Mitch McConnell was in jeopardy. Nobody thought

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell was in jeopardy. That was an anonymous vote.

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 5: We actually don't fully know all of the people who

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,839
Speaker 5: voted against McConnell and voted for Rick Scott. Rick Scott

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 5: is not seen as like a serious contender to take

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Speaker 5: to take the leadership position if something happens to McConnell.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, it seems like the only way

1490
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Speaker 5: McConnell steps down from his leadership post is if something

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Speaker 5: happens to him at this point, because despite all of

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 5: these different health challenges, despite freezing up and glitching in

1493
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 5: front of reporters in the public, however many times now

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 5: in ways that are so obvious that he is no

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01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 5: longer able to function in the way that you Republicans

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 5: should want their leader of their group in the Senate

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Speaker 5: to function. He's obviously not able to do that anymore.

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Speaker 5: He still hasn't stepped down, So the only thing that

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 5: would cause him to step down, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: He might be trying to wait it out.

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Speaker 5: So that there's an easy Republican If Kentucky has a

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 5: Republican gouver, then you're more easily able to appoint a

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01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 5: Republican et cetera, et cetera to replace McConnell. Maybe he

1504
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 5: wants to make sure that he has a good backup

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01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 5: in place, that you know, either one of his his

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01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 5: kind of deputies, either John Thune or John Cordon, all

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01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 5: of the Johns Barasso, are able to step in, and

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Speaker 5: that the vacuum doesn't get filled by what did this is?

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01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 5: John McCain called Ted Cruiz and Rand Paul the Looney Birds,

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01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 5: something like that all the way back in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Mitch McConnell wants to make sure that Rick Scott

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01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 5: doesn't step into the power vacuum, or you know, someone

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 5: like Ted Cruz doesn't step into the power vacuum. Right now,

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Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like there's any way for one of

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01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 5: those people. There's no real path for one of those

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Speaker 5: people to become a leader if something were to happen

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Speaker 5: to Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 6: But the guy got rolled. Nothing is more.

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 5: Important to him than Ukraine funding. He's basically said as

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01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 5: much in public. He's not really trying to hide that,

1521
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 5: but even in private, let me read this quote one

1522
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 5: more time. A source familiar with the situation said that

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01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 5: he quietly acknowledged to his colleagues that any spending bill,

1524
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 5: including the Ukraine funding, was not a winning issue for

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 5: the party.

1526
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 6: So he knows that.

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01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 5: He's still publicly saying it's one of the most if

1528
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 5: not the most important things for Republicans to be dedicating

1529
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 5: their spending to right now. And what this highlights is

1530
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 5: the war between McConnell and voters. We talked about this

1531
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,959
Speaker 5: earlier in the show when it comes to Kevin McCarthy,

1532
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 5: My boss, Sean Davis tweeted when Jake Sherman of punch

1533
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 5: Bowl said, it's remarkable to think about how Republicans in

1534
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 5: the House have been at war with their leadership for

1535
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 5: the last fifteen years. Well, actually, it's Republican leadership that

1536
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 5: has been at war with its voters for the last

1537
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:41,520
Speaker 5: fifteen years, because voters don't want these massive continuing resolutions.

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 5: They're against the expansion of spending, They're largely against this

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01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 5: kind of unchecked money going to Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: You can go on down the line.

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 5: There are the Republican leadership in the House is at

1542
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 5: odds with sort of the Republican voter base, and that

1543
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 5: goes back, you know, fifteen years, you go back to

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01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 5: the t Party.

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01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 6: Of course, there's.

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01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 5: Only so much that Republican leaders in the House can do,

1547
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 5: but there's also only so much that they're willing to do.

1548
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 5: And the same is absolutely true of Mitch McConnell, who

1549
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 5: was able to survive the Obama era and the Trump

1550
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 5: era because of well, one word, judges.

1551
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 6: We all know that.

1552
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 5: But now that Donald Trump is out of office, the

1553
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 5: judges have all been confirmed. Mitch McConnell's record on other

1554
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 5: things downstream are all coming to the surface, bubbling to

1555
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 5: the surface. His war with Trump, they're sort of ongoing feud.

1556
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 5: Doesn't help him, that's obviously true, although it does endear

1557
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 5: him further to the establishment into elites.

1558
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 6: In Washington, d C.

1559
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 5: The bottom line, though, is that Mitch McConnell is in

1560
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 5: real trouble.

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01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 6: Because this is a great example and you're not hearing

1562
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 6: it in the.

1563
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 5: Legacy press of how the guy in back room negotiations.

1564
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 6: Is just getting rolled.

1565
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 5: And if you've talked to people that have been involved

1566
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 5: in those negotiations, one of the more interesting things that

1567
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 5: you hear is that when McConnell has had his medical

1568
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 5: leaves of absence, people feel like the Senate has been

1569
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 5: working better. Conservatives feel like they've been able to negotiate

1570
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,480
Speaker 5: even with McConnell's deputies better in his absence.

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01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 6: That's a really big problem for Mitch McConnell.

1572
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 5: It's a really big problem for his ability to hold

1573
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 5: on when he has health problems.

1574
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 6: It becomes an untenable arrangement.

1575
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 5: Now he is doggedly clinging to power, and so it

1576
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 5: does seem like nothing is actually going to unseat him.

1577
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 5: But what you can end up having is sort of

1578
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 5: shadow leadership where Conservatives are not negotiating with McConnell so

1579
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,440
Speaker 5: much as his deputies, and those things start to go sideways.

1580
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 6: We'll see how where it lands.

1581
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 5: But certainly when you have Matt Gates talking about breaking

1582
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 5: the fever, the establishment, the swamp fever by taking Yankee

1583
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 5: and Kevin McCarthy from the chair. You know, whatever you

1584
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 5: think of that this is these leadership positions are consequential,

1585
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 5: and for conservatives, Mitch McConnell has the highest unfavorables of

1586
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 5: basically any politician in the country. In certain polls, he's

1587
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 5: really unliked by republic voters. So it would be a

1588
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 5: big deal if something were to happen to Mitch McConnell

1589
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 5: in terms of actual legislative maneuvers or procedural maneuvers, or

1590
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 5: someone else steps into that void. Ran, have you heard

1591
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 5: any of this from Democrats about McConnell.

1592
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,799
Speaker 3: Former State Senator Nina Turner is launching a new organization

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01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: called We Are Somebody that will be supporting striking workers

1594
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 3: around the world. She joins, is just in a moment

1595
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to play a little clip from her launch video.

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Speaker 12: First, everybody is somebody. Most people want the ability to

1597
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 12: afford housing, healthcare, provide for their family, and be able

1598
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 12: to take a vacation every now and then. While most

1599
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 12: corporations are seeing in record profits, they aren't leading to

1600
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 12: record wages. Imagine that CEO pay has skyrocketed over one

1601
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 12: thousand percent since nineteen seventy eight. CEOs are paid three

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 12: hundred and ninety nine times as much as a typical worker.

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01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 4: Workers deserve better.

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01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 12: From the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Juniors supporting sanitation

1605
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 12: workers in Memphis, to Fanny lou Hamer's work for black

1606
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 12: farmers in the South, to Ace of Philip Randolph's work

1607
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 12: organizing the Brotherhood of Sleeping car Porters and organizing the

1608
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 12: March on Washington. The fight for liberation has always been

1609
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 12: a fight for workers' rights. It is in this robust

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01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,440
Speaker 12: tradition that I am launching We Are Somebody, a capacity

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01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 12: building organization for the working class.

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Speaker 3: Well Center, jur thanks so much for joining us.

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 4: A pleasure to be here.

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 3: So can you tell us a little bit about We

1615
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 3: Are Somebody and what gap you think this new organization fails.

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 12: Well, there's nothing quite like it, Ryan, where you have

1617
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 12: a nonprofit out there to compliment what workers are doing.

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01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 12: It is indeed acity or a capacity building organization for

1619
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 12: all workers, not just unionized workers, because we do understand

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01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 12: that most workers in this country are not unionized.

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01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 4: But to the extent that we can.

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01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 12: Bring unionized and non unionized workers together, we create a

1623
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 12: type of synergy that cannot be stopped.

1624
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 4: There is a need for.

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 12: This organization to both be a bridge for union and

1626
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 12: non union workers, but also to be out there on

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01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 12: the front lines, to amplify, to help the fund and

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01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 12: support these workers, to educate, and to provide technical support

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01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 12: where necessary. And what comes to mind for me is

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01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 12: our first big venture, which is going to be with

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01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 12: the one and only Christian Smalls, the president of the

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01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 12: Amazon Labor Union. As you know, they are a new

1633
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,799
Speaker 12: labor union and so they don't have robust strike funds

1634
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 12: and they could benefit from that kind of help all

1635
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 12: the way to helping organizations like one Fair Wage, which

1636
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 12: is trying to do away with the sub minimum wage.

1637
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 12: So there is a gap there and we are somebody

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 12: aims to fill it.

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 5: So interesting, and can you tell us a little bit

1640
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 5: more about the funding. Obviously you have a non profit structure,

1641
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 5: so are you mostly looking for a small donor small

1642
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 5: dollar donors that kind of crowdfunding thing, or looking to

1643
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 5: just get funds from people who want to support workers.

1644
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks Srett, Emily. It will be a multitude of

1645
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,919
Speaker 12: those options. It will be grassroots donations, which I certainly

1646
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 12: have become a pro at doing in my two runs

1647
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 12: for Congress.

1648
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 4: It will be foundational support.

1649
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 12: We will see grants from foundations that care very much

1650
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 12: about economic and social equality, and.

1651
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 4: Institutional donors are well.

1652
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 12: There are some wealthy people out there who ultra wealthy

1653
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 12: people actually say out there who understand that there is

1654
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 12: an imbalance in the economy and that the pendulum has

1655
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 12: swung too far over that we are really engaged in

1656
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 12: the second version of the Gilded Age, and that must

1657
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 12: be corrected.

1658
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 4: So I'm also going.

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01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 12: To help ultra wealthy people who want to do the

1660
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 12: right thing do the right thing and make investments in

1661
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 12: trying to help workers level the playing field.

1662
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 3: So later today you were telling us before we started taping,

1663
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 3: that you're going to be heading to a parts plant

1664
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 3: where UAW workers are striking. As you also know, seventy

1665
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 3: five thousand Kaiser workers walked off the job this morning.

1666
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 3: So walk us through if the organization were up and

1667
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 3: running and fully funded at this point, and I guess

1668
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 3: there is no such thing as fully funded because of

1669
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 3: the depth of the need here. But let's say funded

1670
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 3: in a greater capacity, what would we are somebody be doing,

1671
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 3: either for say the Kaiser workers or for the UAW.

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Speaker 12: Well, first of all reaching out to those workers and

1673
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 12: the leaders of that work or those workers to find

1674
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 12: out exactly what they need. But on the foundational point,

1675
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,440
Speaker 12: it would be to organize, to fund and to amplify

1676
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 12: their messages to get that message out deep and wide.

1677
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 12: One of the concerns that I have Ryan and Emily

1678
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 12: as I talked to workers all across the country.

1679
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 4: And let me be more pointed. I went to.

1680
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 12: Streetsboro here in Ohio where they were the part plant

1681
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 12: that has about one hundred and twenty two workers there

1682
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 12: when they walked off the job about two weeks ago.

1683
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 12: And one of the things that the president of Local

1684
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 12: five seventy three, when I asked them, what do you

1685
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 12: want the American people to know? He said, we want

1686
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 12: them to know that we're doing this for them. And

1687
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 12: talking to other workers, they were explaining that some people

1688
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 12: think that the uaw FO example, workers may be asking

1689
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 12: for too much, and they're not asking for too much.

1690
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 12: So this is as much about organizing the workers who

1691
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 12: are on the front lines and also educating the people

1692
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 12: who may be out there and have some misnomers about

1693
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 12: why workers are asking for a living wage.

1694
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 4: It's not too much to ask. And I think that

1695
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 4: we are navigating.

1696
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 12: A society in American culture in particular, where folks think

1697
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 12: it's okay for corporations to dominate and that working class

1698
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 12: people don't deserve to live a good life. They do

1699
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 12: deserve to live a good life. And so we are

1700
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 12: somebody is going to be a bridge. We're going to

1701
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 12: amplify we are going to lift We're going to help

1702
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 12: workers get their message out and hopefully all workers will

1703
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 12: unite based on what they have in common. And the

1704
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 12: fact of the matter is that this is immoral and

1705
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 12: it is not working for everyday people in this nation.

1706
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 5: It's always odd to kind of be living through history

1707
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 5: because it's a hard time to you have a hard

1708
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 5: time seeing the forest for the trees. So I wanted

1709
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 5: to ask the clip that we just rolled is so

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 5: full of history. You talk about the robust tradition of organizing.

1711
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,560
Speaker 5: Where do you see this current moment where you know,

1712
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 5: just today you have the largest healthcare strike in American history.

1713
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 5: Where do you see this current moment fitting into that

1714
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:29,919
Speaker 5: robust tradition.

1715
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for that question.

1716
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 12: I mean, there is a synergy that is palpable, and

1717
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 12: the more things change, the more that they stayed the same.

1718
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 12: If we saw those historic images that you made reference to,

1719
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 12: that was really about moments when people are being treated

1720
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 12: unfairly in their places the work, and we find ourselves

1721
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 12: repeating that same sad song again in the twenty first century.

1722
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 4: And what we can do is.

1723
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 12: Draw on the past to animate us right now in

1724
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 12: the present and to help to build a better future.

1725
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 12: Workers are crying out, and that's why you have what's

1726
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 12: happening at kaiser UAW, the teamsters, Amazon, Starbucks, nurses, teachers.

1727
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 4: You name it. There are multitudes of workers all over

1728
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 4: this country from.

1729
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 12: Different backgrounds who are stepping up and stepping out and

1730
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 12: saying we're not going to take it anymore. It is

1731
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 12: absolutely untenable to have three hundred that have CEOs make

1732
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 12: three hundred and ninety nine times.

1733
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 4: The average worker.

1734
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 12: The scales are in balance, they are not balanced, and

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Speaker 12: we aim to try to bring some more balance.

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Speaker 4: So I am very much touched and was very much motivated.

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Speaker 12: From that past, from that history, and then also the

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Speaker 12: coal miners for present day reference, who went on strike

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Speaker 12: for almost two hundred excuse me, two years, about six

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Speaker 12: hundred days, and they went back to work without a contract.

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Speaker 4: Over a thousand of.

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Speaker 12: Them went out and they went back because the corporate

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Speaker 12: interests of black Rock was able to wake them out.

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Speaker 12: They lost the motivation for workers, and they spent almost

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Speaker 12: thirty five million dollars. They had a strike fund. They

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Speaker 12: spend almost thirty five million dollars in trying to supplement

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Speaker 12: salary wages and also healthcare, and that shouldn't be A

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Speaker 12: corporation should not be able to wait workers out when

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Speaker 12: all they are asking for is for better wages, better

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Speaker 12: work conditions, and better benefits.

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Speaker 4: That is not too much to ask.

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Speaker 3: Just so people understand how these fights unfold. A union

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Speaker 3: uses some of its dues to build up a strike fund.

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Speaker 3: They hope that they'll build a big enough strike fund

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Speaker 3: so that they can, you know, inflict enough damage on

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Speaker 3: the corporation before the corporation inflicts more damage on them.

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Speaker 3: You know, it becomes a game a chicken. It becomes

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Speaker 3: a waiting game. As you said, with those with those miners,

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Speaker 3: Blackrock was able to wait them out and eventually, you know,

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Speaker 3: was able to break the strike. That's one of the

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Speaker 3: kind of the extreme versions for how long those striking

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Speaker 3: workers fought and so the strike fund becomes the flash point.

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Speaker 3: And so companies are always trying to figure out what

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Speaker 3: is the size this strike fund, how long will it last?

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Speaker 3: Unions are trying to make it last longer. The UAW

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Speaker 3: is doing these kind of strategic, timed and targeted strikes.

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Speaker 3: It's only hitting particular plants so that other workers can

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Speaker 3: stay on the job and continue to get paid by

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Speaker 3: the company, which then stretches out their strike fund because

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Speaker 3: they say, if they all struck at once, their strike

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Speaker 3: fund would be done in like three months, and the

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Speaker 3: big like, oh three months, okay, fine, we'll wake that

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Speaker 3: out and then you'll starve and then you'll come back

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Speaker 3: to work. And so I'm curious, are you going to

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Speaker 3: be trying to supplement in a targeted way some of

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Speaker 3: these strike funds? In other words, if people are like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I really support these kays are workers,

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Speaker 3: and I want to give twenty seven dollars that I

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Speaker 3: want to go directly to a nurse to try to

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Speaker 3: keep him or her on the picket line against the

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Speaker 3: company that's trying to wait them out. Or are you

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Speaker 3: going to be doing more kind of political work to

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Speaker 3: support them in a political fashion rather than the direct aid.

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Speaker 12: No, it's both, Ryan, because really what I want people

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Speaker 12: to know is that the question you asked me earlier,

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Speaker 12: if we are somebody was fully you know, fully up,

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Speaker 12: we're at the genesis, what what would we be doing?

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Speaker 12: That is one of the things that we would be doing,

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Speaker 12: providing direct money to these workers in real time to

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Speaker 12: help supplement any strike funds that they may have and

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Speaker 12: for some like Amazon Labor Union, they have nothing. But yes,

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Speaker 12: that money needs to go straight to them so that

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Speaker 12: they can stay one day longer, another day stronger, as

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Speaker 12: they say in the House of Labor, to be able

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Speaker 12: to push back. And the point that you gave about

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Speaker 12: the UAW, they have a strike fund that is over

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Speaker 12: seven hundred million dollars and that is a lot of money.

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Speaker 12: You know, when you say it, it sounds like a

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Speaker 12: lot of money. But as you laid out, Ryan, if

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Speaker 12: they had the one hundred they have one hundred and

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Speaker 12: forty five thousand workers too, it would not last. And

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Speaker 12: so we the people need to come out and help

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Speaker 12: to supplement those workers so that if they're paying for

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Speaker 12: medical benefits for example, and not exactly what they're doing

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Speaker 12: with that money, and then paying five hundred dollars a

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Speaker 12: week to the workers who are already striking, we can

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Speaker 12: help to supplement so that maybe that money could last longer,

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Speaker 12: they can aim it somewhere else to do something else.

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Speaker 12: It is vitally important that all workers see themselves in

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Speaker 12: these strikes, and that's why another important point that I

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Speaker 12: want to make Ryan and Emily is that we are

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Speaker 12: somebody is here for all workers, whether they're unionized or not,

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Speaker 12: because I believe, I firmly believe that all workers deserve

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Speaker 12: that support. But we do know that workers who are

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Speaker 12: in unions help to amplify and lift workers who are not.

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Speaker 12: Look at what is happening with Tesler, for example, they

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Speaker 12: got a raise.

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons why.

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Speaker 12: They probably got to raise is the fear that they

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Speaker 12: would try to unionize. That is compliments to their sisters

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Speaker 12: and brothers and family and friends at the UAW. So

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Speaker 12: there's an indelible linkage between all workers unionized or not,

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Speaker 12: and we are Somebody is going to be is in

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Speaker 12: place to help those workers, no matter who they are

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Speaker 12: and no matter where they hail from. So both political

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Speaker 12: and direct support from we are Somebody.

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Speaker 3: I could see it driving press coverage too, And so

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Speaker 3: in some ways the direct aid would also then be

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Speaker 3: political support in the sense that let's say you're up

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Speaker 3: and grassroots donors kick in five million dollars too, we

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01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 3: are Somebody for kaiser workers, like that's something that makes

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Speaker 3: the news, and then the CEOs on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the negotiating table will see, oh, like they have

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Speaker 3: the entire country kicking in money to them, So that's

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Speaker 3: going to be a harder for us to wait out.

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Speaker 3: B makes us look bad, and so much of these

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Speaker 3: strikes is about perception.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, that's right.

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Speaker 12: It's leverage, that's what we're talking about. The miners in

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Speaker 12: Alabama had more leverage for the gallant fight, and they

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Speaker 12: fought gallantly. If they had more leverage, they would have

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Speaker 12: been able to go back to that table with a

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Speaker 12: sign contract. So this is that definitely, trying to balance

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Speaker 12: the scale and give the workers the leverage that they

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Speaker 12: need to keep on fighting.

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Speaker 3: And people are looking for ways that they can fight.

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Speaker 3: I know that, Like that's that's one of the things

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Speaker 3: I think that has people so kind of torn up

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Speaker 3: in this in this time that you know, for several

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Speaker 3: years there was a sense of like, Okay, this this

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Speaker 3: is the direction that we're going, and these are the

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Speaker 3: things that we're fighting for, and you know, in the

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Speaker 3: Biden are that's kind of been cast to the wind,

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Speaker 3: and so this does I think, kind of reorient people

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Speaker 3: around the north star of a pro worker agenda. So

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Speaker 3: really looking forward to seeing how you know, we are

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Speaker 3: somebody takes off as I think we are somebody dot org.

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Speaker 3: Anything else people should know.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. We are somebody dot org. And certainly

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Speaker 12: they can follow my social media Nina Turner on Twitter,

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Speaker 12: Nina Turner Ohio on on the gramd, so just follow

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Speaker 12: in on Facebook too, So just follow my social media

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Speaker 12: platforms and also yes, they can go directly to we

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Speaker 12: are Somebody dot org.

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Speaker 3: We'll send her Turner. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: That'll do it for us today. Really appreciate it. Best

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Speaker 3: of luck out there. Any closing thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Just make sure to subscribe to the premium version, so

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Speaker 5: if you can give.

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Speaker 3: To we Are Somebody then.

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Speaker 5: But it's there is synergy so that we can do

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Speaker 5: interview exactly that bring.

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Speaker 3: You the news that we're we're leveraging so that she

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Speaker 3: can leverage.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and so that workers can leverage.

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Speaker 3: There you go, that right, see you soon