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Speaker 1: What's up? Everyone? Welcome into another episode of the Two

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Speaker 1: Minute Drill podcast, presented by Nerd Wallet Play Smart Finance

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Speaker 1: harder JJ Stankovitz, joined this week by Casey Valier.

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Speaker 2: Casey welcome, great to see you, JJ, Thanks for finally

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Speaker 2: letting me slip into this.

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Speaker 1: You're tagging in from my colleague Amanda Foster, who is

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Speaker 1: talking to a player right now. So we're gonna We're

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Speaker 1: gonna let Amanda do her writing job and get a

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Speaker 1: nice story out next week while we talk about some

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Speaker 1: updates on the Colts ahead of the week eleven matchup

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Speaker 1: against the New York Jets. It's a big game play,

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Speaker 1: I mean assive, they're all big from here on out,

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Speaker 1: but now with Anthony Richardson coming back, it doesn't get

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Speaker 1: much bigger than this, with the Colts trying to claw

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Speaker 1: their way back into the AFC playoff picture. Let's start.

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Speaker 1: We usually go injury updates to start here. So Bernard

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Speaker 1: Ryman out for Sunday's game. He is a knee injury,

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Speaker 1: Shanestike and did tell us on Friday he thinks it's

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Speaker 1: probably week to week. It's not maybe serious enough that

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Speaker 1: you know he's going to miss an extended period of time,

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Speaker 1: but it does mean that Mackenzalvez will start at left tackle.

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Speaker 1: The Cults will once again have three rookies starting on

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Speaker 1: their offensive line. Case, what have you seen that to Mackinsalvez?

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Speaker 1: What have you heard about Mackenzalvez over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks that gives you some confidence he can step

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Speaker 1: in there and do a good job against a really

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Speaker 1: good New York Jets front. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, I think we've all been pleasantly surprised

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Speaker 2: at how quickly he has been able to acclimate to

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Speaker 2: left tackle because you know, if you look at the

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Speaker 2: offensive line, that's probably the hardest position to play in

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Speaker 2: the entire league, at left tackle outside of the quarterback

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Speaker 2: and maybe a couple other positions. But that's when you're

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Speaker 2: gonna definitely keep an eye on, and I think for

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Speaker 2: the most part, Gonzalvez has really stepped in and played

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Speaker 2: very very well. We did see you know that, you

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Speaker 2: know that you had the is it the game against

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Speaker 2: Houston there towards the end? Was it? I think it

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Speaker 2: was Houston or yeah we're burning went out, Yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: burning out. So there's been some up and downs, but

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Speaker 2: ultimately I mean one of the things that I took

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Speaker 2: a lot was listening to Quentin Nelson this week talk

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Speaker 2: about it and not only has he stepped in really

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Speaker 2: a week to week basis, taking snaps here and there

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Speaker 2: in practice, playing four positions. Yeah, it's been. It's one

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Speaker 2: of those things to kind of you know, this week

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Speaker 2: he got a majority of those snaps all at left tackle,

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Speaker 2: so he knew he was a part of the game plan.

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Speaker 2: He knew where he was going to be. So I

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Speaker 2: think all of that's going to play into it. But ultimately,

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Speaker 2: I think he has really held up really really well.

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Speaker 2: And you can kind of say the same for all

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Speaker 2: of the rookies that have stepped in. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Dalton, Tucker and Tanner BORDERLINI they've

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Speaker 2: all played very well, and typically you don't really get

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Speaker 2: that type of production out of rookies, right, that's one

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Speaker 2: of those offensive linemen at rookie. It's a trying year

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Speaker 2: as a rookie, and I feel like, you know, knock

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Speaker 2: the rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Case I think the you know,

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Speaker 1: you've seen just like stable play out of Gonzalvez and Tucker,

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Speaker 1: Like you know, those guys have other moments like Gonzoalves

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Speaker 1: good player. But you're you're gonna get some some of

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Speaker 1: those moments. But it hasn't been like you haven't noticed

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Speaker 1: it like Mac Consolvez. I think has just been like

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Speaker 1: like good play out at Tanner Bordolini, Yeah, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Just straight up good play there. So that's also really encouraging.

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Speaker 1: But more than anything, I think it just speaks to

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Speaker 1: like Tony Spranno Junior and the culture that he has

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Speaker 1: And it speaks to what Tony Spranno Junior's got there

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Speaker 1: one other thing to talk about, injury wise, Casey Michael

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Speaker 1: Pittman Junior's back. Yes, he was a full participant Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

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Speaker 1: This week, Shane Steichen told us he's good to go.

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Speaker 1: So one week with Pittman being out with that back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's always the hope, especially when

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Speaker 2: you look at the numbers. They're just not pit like

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Speaker 2: it's understandable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was grinding through a b I can'dre I

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Speaker 1: want to play pickleball last week. It's totally different when

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Speaker 1: he got a guy hitting you exactly.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, Michael Pittman, he's one of those guys

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Speaker 2: as as Shane talked about, not only just at the position,

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Speaker 2: he's one of the you know, one of the toughest

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Speaker 2: I'm not at all surprised that it's just a one

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Speaker 2: shocked that he's getting back out there. And maybe it

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Speaker 2: So I think with pitt coming back, it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: finding ways to get him involved because ultimately, when Michael

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Speaker 2: So it's one of those things with him coming back,

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to see kind of earlier they're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Colts absolutely need Michael Pittman Junior

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Speaker 1: While you do have maybe more options to throw the

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Speaker 1: Pierce's care really coming on. You've got obviously Adie Mitchell

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Speaker 1: to get Pittman more involved in the offense. Right. The

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Speaker 1: case he will be Anthony Richardson. And before we kind

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Speaker 1: because the conversations I had with guys in there I

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Speaker 1: like kind of being consistent and to sacrificing a lot.

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Speaker 1: Those are the words he used quite a bit. But

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Speaker 1: around that locker room, I think there there's a renewed

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Speaker 2: It's always one of those things when you hear that,

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Speaker 2: you know, we never lose faith and all that, you

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Speaker 2: You know, their statements that you know from a franchise

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Speaker 2: It's the hardest position in all of sports to play

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Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. So let's find a way to

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Speaker 2: And I think that's all to me, Like you look

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was geared towards any one player.

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Speaker 2: I think it was literally, hey, everybody, let's look at

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look in the mirror, because we all

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Speaker 2: know Anthony needs to do this to continue to improve

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Speaker 2: I've been twenty two and I know that if you

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Speaker 2: I thought Jonathan Taylor mentioned it really well this week

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Speaker 2: do and we do as running backs that nobody knows

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Speaker 2: So there is just so much that goes into being

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Speaker 2: I thought you you talk about, you know, the sacrifice

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Speaker 2: only be a good thing. It's ultimately, you're a little

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Speaker 1: And the New York Jets highest graded run defender this

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