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Speaker 1: Full Circle is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back to Full Circle, the women's sports

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Speaker 2: roundup you didn't know you needed. I'm a Lexi Brown

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Speaker 2: here with my girl Mariah Rose. We're breaking down what's

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Speaker 2: happening on the court and the culture and in our

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Speaker 2: own personal growth. Because women's sports deserves the full conversation.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Mariah, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, I'm great.

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Speaker 3: I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Dealing with a little bit of a winter storm, but

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Speaker 1: things seem pretty normal now.

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Speaker 2: So wait, it's snowed in Atlanta. No, it was just oh.

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Speaker 3: They didn't it just there was just a storm.

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Speaker 1: There was just a storm, but it was below freezing

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Speaker 1: Basically our roads were frozen. It was like so nobody

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, just the way the sun. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: prepared to handle cold or snow. But Nashville, where I

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Speaker 2: am at, guys, we've been snowed in like the last

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Speaker 2: three days. I think, so I'm good. I'm fine. Everybody's safe.

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Speaker 2: We were We've been able to go to the gym

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Speaker 2: It's freezing. I hate it, but we're all good in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: I know that last week I said that this week

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Speaker 2: was going to be an AU episode, But if you

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Speaker 2: guys are just not hip to what's been going on

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Speaker 2: in the country, specifically in Minnesota, I felt like this

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Speaker 2: episode I wanted to talk more about the role of

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Speaker 2: just been going on. It's just been very heavy for

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Speaker 2: for I need y'all too, because she's absolutely correct. But

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Speaker 2: it made me really want to use this platform that

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Speaker 2: how we're feeling, and you know what we can do

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Speaker 2: but just what we can do to be more informed,

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Speaker 1: I as somebody who is very outspoken on political and

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Speaker 1: because during the election process, I'm sure you were very

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very reminiscent of twenty twenty, where a

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Speaker 1: I actually listened to Michelle Obama on Call Her Daddy,

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Speaker 1: She also talked about how these times are a lot

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Speaker 1: more hopeful than we give them credit for, and there

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Speaker 1: But I think it's heartbreaking, and I think that it's

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Speaker 2: so let's start there. It was actually one of Obama's

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Speaker 2: This is not what this show is about. But I

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Speaker 2: Like we have to read, we have to educate, we

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Speaker 2: So how old were you, Mariah, Like seven, maybe eight, eight? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I don't remember much about that election season. I

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Speaker 2: But I don't remember the world feeling like this. And

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Speaker 2: they were handling very similar issues that were handling. Now,

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Speaker 2: this was not what it felt like. This is not

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Speaker 2: how they were talking about immigration. They were not talking

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you said that that it is a

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Speaker 2: human rights issue, absolutely, And I read Obama's statement that

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Speaker 2: wasn't hateful, it wasn't condescending, it wasn't narcissistic. It was

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine having a coach in basketball that's like

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Speaker 3: Bring ease at these times and rest.

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Speaker 1: getting quite the opposite, like more division, more divisive language,

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Speaker 3: And that's why it feels so different at this time.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I like, I want to get into

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Speaker 1: I don't need to know my my pilot's political views.

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Speaker 1: basically how you guys are always at the forefront with

436
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: every issue, which I hear that people talk about this

437
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: all the time, but you guys are. But when it's

438
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: time for an issue that regards you guys, people feel

439
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: it feels like people are a little silent now I

440
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: find it interesting because you were listing the things that people.

441
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: Say about you guys.

442
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Oh they don't don't Oh there's not enough money, so

443
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: they don't deserve to be paid, and they would get

444
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: beat by it's tenth.

445
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: Grade basketball team. All that bull crap that people say

446
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: about y'all. I find it interesting that when I don't else,

447
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: this is messy.

448
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say anyways, Oh gosh, I'm a huge

449
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: Trinity radmin fan.

450
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: And she deserved every dime of that money. That was

451
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: a masterclass on how to treat.

452
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: They made a rule for her, a special player's rule,

453
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: so that they could pay her to stay because she

454
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: is that impactful. And I find it interesting because they

455
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: were like, we don't want you to leave and go overseas,

456
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: and we want to put in the investment to build

457
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: up the NWSL and we need you in order to

458
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: do so. So we are going to make sure you

459
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: are not only well taken care of, but the most

460
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: taken care of on the planet. So when people say

461
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: the money doesn't exist, I find it interesting that the

462
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: Washington Spirit were able to find the money and make

463
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: the money exist.

464
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: Know how much money it is, around one million dollars

465
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: per year one to two million dollars a year.

466
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: For three k.

467
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: I love that she stood ten to's because again she

468
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: was going to be straight regardless, she was quite bigger

469
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: than the program that she was. So the way that

470
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: they I mean, I guess it's it is a little

471
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: apples and oranges because that is just one singular player

472
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: that their hands. Now moving forward, I'm very interested to

473
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: see how the NWSL navigates their stars, or current stars

474
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: or future stars, because now they have set a precedent

475
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: of how you're going to take care of your star

476
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: players because yes that nowadays they put something in place

477
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: to pay I think, what is it? You can pay

478
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: your player over the salary cap from wherever money that

479
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: you can find it from to keep your star players

480
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: playing in the NWSL. Yes, you know obviously, our our system,

481
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: our league is feel very differently than the nws SOL.

482
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: But it's like, if they could do it, why can't

483
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: we do it? You know that it's crazy.

484
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about it is it puts when

485
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: they talk about where to find the money, you're finding

486
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: the money with the owner. So what I find interesting

487
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: is it's kind of putting the owner. It's kind of

488
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: putting the owner in a situation where okay, are you

489
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: batter or not? Because okay, the Washington Spirit are clearly

490
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: about it because they found the money to pay Trinity.

491
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: And so now as you said, as you said.

492
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: We're going to see moving forward, Okay, how are the

493
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: other teams because now this rule exists, so how important

494
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: is it to you to keep your star players? Hat

495
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: how the owners are going to have to rise to

496
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: the occasion because it puts them on blast to where

497
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: now we're seeing, okay, very specifically, the Washington Spirit are

498
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: paying Trinity this because they valued her that much. Now

499
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to see who's standing Tintos.

500
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: Down and who's not.

501
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: And right now with the WBA, it feels very muddy because.

502
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: We know, oh some owners are this and some but

503
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: we don't know who. I mean, we heard the Vegas

504
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: owner and be like, well, I you know, I'll pay them,

505
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, But.

506
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: That puts them in a situation where it's kind of

507
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: up to the owners, if you got the money, spend

508
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: the money. So it's just very interesting. But I basically

509
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: my point of bringing that up is like to act

510
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: like women's sports aren't valuable or don't have the money,

511
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: or the money isn't there. I know it's apples to

512
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: oranges as far as the leagues are concerned, but the

513
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: point is still the same. Trinity Rowdman was valuable enough

514
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: to spend that money on her because she has value

515
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: and they're not dumb, Like just like y'all have a

516
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: lot of value, and y'all are not dumb.

517
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: And you're very aware of it.

518
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: And I hate people try to act like, you know,

519
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: diminish that value, like y'all are just asking for the

520
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: sun and the moon and the stars just cause because

521
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: y'all are not y'all are not stupid, and y'all are

522
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: not invaluable to your league, and the money is there.

523
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: That's my point.

524
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I do think even in the midst

525
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: of negotiations, many many players in our league have no

526
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: problem talking about what is going on right now, and

527
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about us as a league,

528
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: us as sisters. Like the amount of support I saw

529
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: under Stewie's post, the amount of posts that I've just

530
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: seen reposted, retweeted, shared from other players that I follow

531
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: and know, like it makes my heart smile and it

532
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: does make me sad though, because like, why are we

533
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: still dealing with all this kind of stuff, Like it's crazy.

534
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: But also it's like you mentioned it, the NFL being

535
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: like the most televised, Like I know this is like

536
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: we already know what that's about, how they move, But

537
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: we watched the playoffs yesterday, I ain't seen much anything

538
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: regarding anything going on in the country.

539
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh, they're punished for it, as he's all she year

540
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: painting stop genocide on his on his tape, but they

541
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: going to find him tens of thousands of dollars because

542
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: they're silencing them.

543
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: It's so it's crazy.

544
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: It's bizarre. It is absolutely bizarre. And I found myself

545
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: even struggling to be excited that the Patriots made it

546
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl because there's there was zero messaging,

547
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: there was zero anything about what has been going on

548
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: in this country, And it's been like that for years

549
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: and years and years, which is why me personally, I

550
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: struggle supporting and watching the NFL at times because of

551
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: things like that, especially what happened with College. Mind you

552
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 2: not to take away what he did, because what he

553
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: did jump started a movement that we are still doing

554
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: to this day.

555
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: He had made.

556
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Over forty million dollars by the time that happened. You

557
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: look at what maya more did? I think. I don't

558
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: even think her salary. I've been trying to find it

559
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: all day. They didn't even like track our salary caps

560
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: until like five years ago on the internet. She was

561
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: not forty million dollars. No way, like for her to

562
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: step away from the game to advocate and fight for

563
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: something that she was passionate about and something that she

564
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: believed in, for someone that she cared about. Like I

565
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: looked at my salary in the bubble, I think I

566
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: made like forty thousand dollars.

567
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: In the bubble. Y'all have a lot more to lose,

568
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: and I thought Wayne to still do a lot more

569
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I got.

570
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: I got waived the next year. So my first three

571
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: years in the W I made like fifty thousand dollars

572
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: under fifty thousand dollars. And if y'all don't know by now,

573
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: I do not play basketball for the money. Is the

574
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: money nice, yes, of course, But that's not why I play.

575
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: That's not why I build my platform, that's not why

576
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: I go in the gym every day and work my

577
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: ass off like It's not because of the money guys,

578
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: Like I really love basketball, and I love being a

579
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: role model, and I love having people look up to me,

580
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: like I love that I'm the oldest sibling, Like it's

581
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: something that I've always wanted to do, Like I'm living

582
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: my dream life. But for us to go into that

583
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: bubble and do what we did with the money that

584
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: some of us were making, that was very high, high risk.

585
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty, so this is pre go women's sports,

586
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: Go women, go girls. We love invest up. That was

587
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: great before all that, Like it could have went two

588
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: different ways following up. I remember the dream in Kelly Loffler,

589
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 2: like that was crazy. It was insane. I was at

590
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: the gym that day that man was shot in Milwaukee

591
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: and the Bucks decided to not play that night. I

592
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: was in the gym getting ready to play that night

593
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: when we had a mass gathering in the arena that

594
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: we were playing, and we right then and there had

595
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: a meeting. It was only four teams though, so everyone

596
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: was not present, but we had you know, we were

597
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: calling you know, players some other teams, but the four

598
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: teams that were at the arena at the time, we

599
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: made a decision right in that moment what are we

600
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: going to do? You know, we didn't know the Bucks

601
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: were going to do that. We didn't know the NBA

602
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: was going to do that. So now you guys have

603
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: put us in a situation, a position of what are

604
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: we going to do? And I'm not going to lie

605
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: and tell you that all hundred percent of people were like, nah,

606
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: were not playing. That was not the case, and that's valid,

607
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: that's fair because we had a lot to lose in

608
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: that moment. We decided not to play, which I was

609
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: happy about. I was pleased with that decision. Wasn't an

610
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: easy decision to make. No, wasn't an easy decision to

611
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: make to even go to the bubble period and make

612
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: the entire season about police brutality against black women. No,

613
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: that was one of the mentally one of the hardest

614
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: seasons of basketball I've ever played. Like it was just

615
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: so heavy being in there, but so rewarding at the

616
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: end because I really do feel like we made a difference.

617
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: We took a stance together, we were united, but like it

618
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: was hard, like I was, it was my thirty year

619
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: in the league, Like, I don't.

620
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: Know what was going on?

621
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: What do you mean we're not playing? Like what do

622
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: you mean like we're just not gonna play today like okay,

623
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: but we're gonna do it together. And I think that

624
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: that is also what makes sports special as well, is

625
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: the unity, the sisterhood, the camaraderie that we're able to

626
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: do these things with which I feel like also when

627
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: you have like a standalone public figure, that could feel

628
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: a little lonely and it could be harder because you

629
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: put out a statement, you say something, and it's just

630
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: kind of like you like, yep, I said it, like okay,

631
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: Now what.

632
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: I always wondered how those certain athletes, like I remember

633
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: the photos of the athletes that would kneel during the

634
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: national anthem and none of their teammates would kneel with them.

635
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I would like want to leave, like

636
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: I would feel so alone and be looking at all

637
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: these people different for not standing with me on this

638
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: because a lot of these people, you know, you grow

639
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: up playing sports, and sports is a lot of because

640
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: you know a lot of influencers. The reason they don't

641
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: speak up on these issues is their privilege and they

642
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: grew up with people who look just like them, and

643
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: they they have never been around stuff. But a lot

644
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: of people grew up playing sports at least like basketball

645
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: from like when I was growing up, grew up around

646
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: all different types of people, like that white kid that

647
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: played basketball was they.

648
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: Were going to expose to some new stuff. You know

649
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

650
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: They hearing their teammates talk about different issues that they experienced,

651
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: and so.

652
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: You're learning a lot, like you're a sponge to a lot.

653
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: So like to be in an environment like sports with

654
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: so many different walks of life, it's crazy to me

655
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: to be close minded. I have a question for you, though,

656
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: why do you think as an athlete, because I've always

657
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: wondered this that women. But when you talk about the NBA,

658
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of NBA players are really

659
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: inclined to speak on social issues. So maybe it's just

660
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: like a basketball thing. But I don't know, because I

661
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: don't think NBA players speak up for you.

662
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, they don't like but they're always in

663
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: the NBA. It's like the same like five four or

664
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Speaker 2: five of them. Like why I say something, Jalen Brown

665
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: is going to say something, Steph Curry probably will say something,

666
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr will probably always say something, and Pop would

667
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: always say something. But outside of that, I don't really

668
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: ever know who we're gonna hear from.

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Speaker 3: But they love a little tweet and again, a little announcement.

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00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: They do love a little they do live a little

671
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: tweet which they might not even be running their count respectfully. Again,

672
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: it's not I don't look Again, I do not look

673
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: at public figures for to how to make my decisions,

674
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: how to live my life. I just don't.

675
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: But even personal life, though, I feel like women are more.

676
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: Is it because we're oppressed? So like we are more?

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: But like even if my personal life, like among friend groups,

678
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: are like at school, like, I feel like women are

679
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: so much more inclined to like even if they speak,

680
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: they feel the other side to speak on how they

681
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: feel about issues or like want to start activity like

682
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Speaker 1: you know, movements like what s dow we did that.

683
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Speaker 3: I feel like women are so much more inclined.

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Speaker 1: Like you were saying, that was a tough conversation for

685
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: you to have with your with and I could imagine

686
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: that conversation in a WNBA locker room, even with you

687
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: guys having as much to lose, I feel like a

688
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: lot more people are on the side of like, yeah,

689
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: let's do something about this.

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00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: In an NFL locker room.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine that I can't.

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Speaker 3: But why do you think that that's different?

693
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Speaker 1: Why in the w NBA are you all with so

694
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Speaker 1: much to lose so much more inclined to speak on

695
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: issues whereas these people with so much privilege are always

696
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: like hesitant.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you said it, like we don't know

698
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Speaker 2: anything different, like women been. There's so much intersectionality in

699
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: women's sports, like and I think that is why women

700
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: athletes usually are front and center. Because we're women. We

701
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: have the gender issues, we have, the sexuality issues, we have,

702
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: the race issues, we have, the being a mother you

703
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: know you have, it's just everything. We deal with everything,

704
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: and as women, you we've been fighting for rights, we've

705
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: been fighting for our voices, we've been fighting for seats

706
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: at the table since the beginning of time. So I

707
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: think genetically, as women, for the most part, that's what

708
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: we do. And it sucks sometimes, but also it's like

709
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: empowering because like as a woman, you're like, you know

710
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna I'm gonna do this, and then like say,

711
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: it works out, so you do make a difference. You're

712
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: like superwoman at that point because you weren't even supposed

713
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: to be able to make a difference. It's big in

714
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: the first place as a woman. So I think we

715
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: are taking our power back as women, as black women,

716
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: as black athletes, as female athletes. I think we're flipping

717
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: it on its head of being you know, pushed down,

718
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: pushed out, pushed away for so long, being locked out

719
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: of these rooms, Like Okay, we opened the door. Oh shit,

720
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: there is another door. Oh shit, there's another door. But

721
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: we keep opening the doors. It don't matter. We're gonna

722
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: keep trying to get through these doors, and we're gonna

723
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: hold them open for the ones behind us while we're

724
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: doing it. So I don't know if that answered your question,

725
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: but I just feel like we don't know anything else.

726
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Speaker 1: I was trying to look at this stat I'm reading

727
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: this book about women and finances, and I believe it

728
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: said and I don't want to get this wrong, so

729
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I was looking it up. But like women weren't allowed

730
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Speaker 1: to have credit cards until like nineteen eighty or something that,

731
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: like not that long ago, Like it was like something.

732
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Speaker 2: Correct, When did we get When did I get the

733
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Speaker 2: right reason? I think.

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Speaker 1: Like this he's recent, That's what I'm saying, Like our

735
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: grandmothers and mothers were fighting for their like not our

736
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: great great grandma from you know that I don't even

737
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: have never heard of and I don't know her name

738
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: and her photos are only in black and white. Like

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: women that are still alive today had to fight for

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Speaker 1: their rights to have their own money, to have jobs,

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Speaker 1: to have like security on their own. So I think

742
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: that activism kind of is like within us in a

743
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: more recent way because we very we are still fighting

744
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: for like our equal rights, like still to this day.

745
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Speaker 3: So I think it's like very common for women to

746
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: want to speak up.

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Speaker 2: This is what This is kind of like a a

748
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Speaker 2: he he ha question, But I'm serious, Okay, do you

749
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Speaker 2: think like the powers that are currently the powers that

750
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: be are just afraid of what would happen if the

751
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: playing field was leveled out for real?

752
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: For real?

753
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: Like what if we take away they have to all

754
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: of all of the obstacles, all of the ceilings, all

755
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: of the locked door. What if we take it all

756
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: away and everybody just we get paid forty million dollars

757
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: a year as well, the Sea Sweet Ladies make the

758
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: same amount as their's male Sea Suite counterparts. I think

759
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: about this often. What would the world look.

760
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Speaker 3: Like I love that because Okay, here's the thing. Oh

761
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: take my head.

762
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy, Like that's something I dream about at times,

763
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: like what would the world look?

764
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Well, okay, inherently I've never said this a loud before,

765
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: but you just made me think of this.

766
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

767
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: So women inherently have all the power on the in

768
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Speaker 1: the world because we create life, so like men are

769
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: quite literally nothing without us.

770
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: Generations would it be born with that?

771
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Speaker 1: Like, like there is nothing without women, Like everything's start

772
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: with a woman, Like we literally are everything. I also

773
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: was reading about a study about like women, female fandom

774
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Speaker 1: and sports, and it said that seventy five percent of

775
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: women or no, no, eighty percent of women make all

776
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: of the purchasing decisions in their household. They are the

777
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: main person making the decisions about where the money is going.

778
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Yet very recently in history, we weren't allowed to have

779
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Speaker 1: credit cards. I think that the reason that we're in

780
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: this situation in the first place is because we inherently

781
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: are more powerful anyways, and so I feel like they're like,

782
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: in order to like, I don't know, muzzle the power

783
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: of a woman, they had to do things like take

784
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: away our right to vote and take away our right

785
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: to have our own money and take away our right

786
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: to work because like look at it now, even like

787
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Speaker 1: in a corporate setting.

788
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Speaker 3: I know, shade man. I love men.

789
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: There's so many amazing men in my life, but like

790
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot of them need to be guided by women.

791
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: Like great creative ideas come from like a lot of

792
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: men need like women are really like when you give

793
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: us an opportunity, are really good at our work and

794
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: our stuff. And so I think they're afraid of what

795
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: would happen if we had if we equaled out the

796
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: playing field, because if the playing field were equal, we

797
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: would surpass them.

798
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: Sorry, like we would like.

799
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: And so I think that in order to keep us

800
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: down and to kind of like try to level it out,

801
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: they try to take everything away from us.

802
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so strange, and I really am tired of

803
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: like the ongoing gender wars that go on. It's exhausting.

804
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: Like I'm with you. I love men. I have incredible

805
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: men and meant to be my dad. I don't I

806
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: want to marry one. I want to marry one one day.

807
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: I want to start a family with one one day.

808
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: I love my brother, I love my dad, Like there

809
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: have been some great my one of my best friends

810
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: is a guy that I love very much. Like I

811
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: it's just again circling all the way back to the

812
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: beginning of this show of just the extreme divisiveness that

813
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: is going on. Like it's like you feel like you're

814
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: band aids over like like wounds, Like yeah, I think

815
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: this can help right now, but then it's a band aid.

816
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: This man needs surgery, but you're keeping him a band aid, right,

817
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: But you feel like but again, all I have is

818
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: a band aid. I don't have anything else. What do

819
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: you want me to just leave him there? Like That's

820
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: how That is how I feel, especially as a public

821
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: figure athlete, of when we do say something, I'm just

822
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: like I want to do more, I want to learn more,

823
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: I want to help more, and it's just like how

824
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: but I just do know that the first step is

825
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 2: stop fighting hate with hate. We got to start there,

826
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: like that's where it starts. And then then you know,

827
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do after that, but I

828
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: feel like that that definitely will be that definitely will

829
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: have a positive outcome. I feel like if you stop

830
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: fighting hate with hate, like I don't think that there is.

831
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: One hundred and I think.

832
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: I especially women who are listening to this women who

833
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: love sports, women in sports, Like I think you know

834
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: what message I want to give is like us shutting

835
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: up gets us nowhere, Like we don't have those things

836
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: that me and Lexi even talking about in this episode,

837
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: like the right to vote and credit cards.

838
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 3: Because we shut up, Like I.

839
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: Don't think that, like you even like it's as small

840
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: as you like feeling uncomfortable with something going on at

841
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: whether that be at work, if you have a good

842
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: idea that you want to share, like no matter what

843
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: that that case is, like you using your voice like

844
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: or you choosing not to use your voice, is it's

845
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: not going to get you any farther, Like silence isn't

846
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: gonna get you any farther than speaking will. And we

847
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: all have our own unique gifts that you can use

848
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: to like make the world a better place. I know

849
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: what might feel small, and this might sound silly, but

850
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: even if you help one person, like feel better today,

851
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: or understand more about what's going on in the political climate,

852
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: or you know, like share love with one person, like

853
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: you are making a difference, because we all can only

854
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: make a difference with our own immediate circles and platforms.

855
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: And I think it's easy for me and Lexi to

856
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: have this conversation with people with like it feels like

857
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: a larger platforms. But I do want to make sure

858
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: you all know that, like you, as a woman in

859
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: just your normal space, like you have a platform as well,

860
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: Like you have a mother that loves you, You have

861
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: young people who probably look up to you, like you

862
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: have a community as well, and like to be like

863
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: a positive impact and a positive person in that is

864
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: like really important. So yeah, I just want to say,

865
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: don't shut up, Like even if you feel like the

866
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: men around you aren't speaking up with you, like you

867
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: know them about the things that you're experiencing.

868
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: Like, but don't shut up. We are not that's not no.

869
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: And I do think like even you saying that, like

870
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: that even that statement, that shut up in dribble statement,

871
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Like I think that since even she said even though

872
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: she said dribble, I think that sent all athletes into

873
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: like outer space, like what do you mean? Like that

874
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: that comment, even though it was so short, it was

875
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: so simple, like if so hewpful, it like changed everything

876
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: for so many athletes. Like I really do think that

877
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: the few athletes that were already speaking out were even

878
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: more empowered, and then athletes that weren't really sure if

879
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: they were on it to speak up or do anything

880
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: immediately were empowered and felt a way because that small

881
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: statement was so disrespectful in so many ways. And thankfully,

882
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, we turned that phrase into something more positive.

883
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: It actually had the opposite effect completely, Like would we

884
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: be here as athletes and social change and justice if

885
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: she didn't say that. I don't know.

886
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because that is true, Like

887
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: you don't want these negative things to happen, Like I

888
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: believe in God. We talked about God before, Like everything

889
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: happens for a reason, and like even negative stuff. To

890
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: be honest, I have to believe that because it gives

891
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: me some.

892
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: Hope in the world.

893
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: And so like that woman saying shut up and dribble

894
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: while I'll be a negative thing that really pissed me

895
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: off at the time, it did spark a movement that

896
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: sparks something positive, encourage more athletes to speak out about

897
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: how they feel about stuff. And with all these people

898
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: that are dying and all these things that are going on,

899
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: you have to believe that, Like I hope that this

900
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: that that man didn't die in vain. You know what

901
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I hope, like Breonna Taylor, like say

902
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: her name, say her name, say her name.

903
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: I hope she does die in vain.

904
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: Like I hope that those events impact changed to like

905
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: more education for police so that that doesn't happen again,

906
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: more requirements to become a member of ICE rolling around

907
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: the cities, Like I hope that there are there are

908
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: impacts that stop this from happening again, you know that,

909
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: like hear from these negative things and like that won't

910
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: happen if we shut up about it exactly.

911
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: So, I mean, this was a great conversation. I was

912
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: This was not intended to single out anybody, offend anybody,

913
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: or anything like that. Like we were just having a

914
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: very open and honest conversation about everything that's going on

915
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: and just my career in the w dealing with social

916
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: impact and change and justice and how tough it's been,

917
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: but also how amazing it's been. Mariah, Like you grew up,

918
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: you know, the way you grew up, and now all

919
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're like this huge public figure because

920
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: of your little videos that you like to make, as

921
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: you like to say. So it's like we have two

922
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: very different Like I knew that I was. I've been

923
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: a role model since I've been like twelve, Like, this

924
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: is something that I always knew what I wanted to do.

925
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: And then, like even starting in college, when you're on

926
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: TV all the time, you have media days, media training,

927
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: all of these things. So you know, my experience with

928
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: Mariah is a little different because you know, she did

929
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: go to school for this, Like she is a journalism major.

930
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: She did have all of the things in college to

931
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: lead her to this place where she is. But did

932
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: she ever think she was gonna have a million followers

933
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: onto her platforms we're talking about sports.

934
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: Probably not.

935
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: But she has used her influence and her following to

936
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: impact the world in a positive way. So I really

937
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: do appreciate that about you, Mariah as one of the

938
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: creators that do use their power and influence for good,

939
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: even though some people might not agree with that, I

940
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: think for good.

941
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: I could post like I posted a video and I'm sorry,

942
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm like dragging us, but this is important to the

943
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: WNBA point. I used to get so mad that one

944
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: of the things that would set me off on social

945
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: media would be when people would compare all the men

946
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: like diminished Compliment's back of perion of men like this,

947
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: this has won the championship, Oh, but they would lose

948
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: to this high school basketball team. Or but one in

949
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: particular really pissed me off about Caitlin Clark, Like it

950
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: was like they're basically saying like she would lose to

951
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: a mail bastball player basically, which I'm not even sure about.

952
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: But that's a whole other conversation.

953
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: But I just don't think that, like, in order for

954
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: a woman to be a good athlete, she has to

955
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: be better than a man like that then also puts

956
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: men at the forefront of like what a good athlete

957
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: can be. That's not what I'm here to talk about.

958
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: My point is is when I do make those videos,

959
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: I piss a lot of people off, like particularly men.

960
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: They get so upset and they feel very insulted. But

961
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I do what I do because I always get those

962
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: one to like ten comments from men that say, you

963
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: know what, I've never thought about this before, like blah

964
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: blah blah, like that I changed their perspective or I

965
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: made them see something different in some sort of way.

966
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: And I just want to say.

967
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: The haters are a lot more loud than people who

968
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: realized they were wrong, and like you might not hear

969
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: as much from those people from your voice, Lexi and

970
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and like all the things that you

971
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: guys are experiencing with the CBA right now, and people being.

972
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: Like, shut up, you don't deserve this, You don't deserve that.

973
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who are just silent

974
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: realizing that they were wrong about y'all and that y'all

975
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: do deserve more, but they're just not speaking up out loud,

976
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: so like, trust me, keep going.

977
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: Because they Michelle Obama also say I called her daddy.

978
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: That like the world that you guys are building as

979
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: far as WNBA players are concerned, making sure that the

980
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: next generation behind you is gonna get paid, Like are

981
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: the That's the world that these men that hate on

982
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: y'all want their daughters to live in.

983
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: Make no mistake, exactly exactly like that.

984
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: Those those men kill me the most, the men that

985
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: have daughters. What are you doing? What are you actually doing?

986
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: We are trying to make this a better place for

987
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: your daughters to grow up and thrive in. Why are

988
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: you Why are you so upset at that? Why is

989
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: everybody so We want the world to just be a

990
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: better place in general. But you know, I guess the

991
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: world being a better place looks different to different people,

992
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: and I, you know, can't do anything but acknowledge and

993
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: respect that. But I know the type of world that

994
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: I want to live in, I know the type of

995
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: world that I want to hopefully raise kids in, and

996
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: I want to do everything in my power to continue

997
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: to promote positive energy and change in this world as

998
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: much as I can, you know, because we're not. I mean,

999
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: I hope I have a large platform for years to come,

1000
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: but you know, all this shit could go away immediately,

1001
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: So agreed. I want to be able to leave you know,

1002
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 2: a positive impact in any way that I can, whether

1003
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: that's on this pod, it's in interviews, it's you know,

1004
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: inspiring people with the way that we play. You know,

1005
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: there's so many ways that you can impact change guys. So, like,

1006
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: like Mariah said, like no matter how small you think

1007
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: your platform is, you don't think anybody's listening to you,

1008
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: or you don't think that anybody cares. If you care,

1009
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: if you want to promote something that you're passionate about,

1010
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: if you want to advocate for something that is important

1011
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: to you, do it. Just do it, Just do it.

1012
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: Because you never know who's listening, You never know who's

1013
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: watching you. And I hope that this episode, you know,

1014
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: encourage y'all to educate yourselves. Gave y'all a little bit

1015
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: of confidence to speak up about things and advocate for

1016
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: yourself and others because it's important. It's very important. So

1017
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how long this episode it was. My

1018
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: screen is small, but I hope y'all enjoyed this little

1019
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: chit chat we had. We will hopefully get back to

1020
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: hoops next.

1021
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: Week, but we wive y'all promise.

1022
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love y'all. Thank y'all for tuning in on

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00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: another episode of Full Circle. Make sure you like, subscribe,

1024
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: share all of the things. We will see y'all next week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to the Full Circle.

1026
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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with more basketball for the girls,

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Speaker 1: by the girls.

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00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,359
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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: hosted by Lexi Brown and Mariah Rose. Our executive producer

1032
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: is Jesse Katz. Our supervising producer is Grace Fused. Our

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00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: producer is Zoe Danklab. Listen to Full Circle on America's

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