WEBVTT - Episode 3: Eyes of a Killer

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial

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<v Speaker 1>murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela Valentine, heart pounding, waits in the car for her

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<v Speaker 2>husband Zach. She stares at her reflection in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>In her blond wig and heavy makeup, she barely recognizes herself. Inside,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach carries out two fatal attacks on Natasha Berger and

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<v Speaker 2>her neighbor Joy Burnside. The plan was for Michaela to

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<v Speaker 2>help him, but she couldn't bring herself to go through

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<v Speaker 2>with it. When the executions are complete, Zach flees from

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<v Speaker 2>the townhouse and runs toward the waiting car. He jumps

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<v Speaker 2>in next to his wife, his hands, his face, his

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<v Speaker 2>clothes all covered in blood. Zach and Michaela speed away

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<v Speaker 2>from the scene, bolting across the darkened city. Zach calls

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<v Speaker 2>to check in with Mirinda. The job is done, he

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<v Speaker 2>tells her. Marinda hears Michaela crying in the background, and

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<v Speaker 2>orders them to get rid of the murder weapons and

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<v Speaker 2>report back immediately to the flat where Cecilia is waiting.

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<v Speaker 2>When they arrive, Zach explains to Cecilia what happened and

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<v Speaker 2>how Michaela couldn't bring herself to kill joy Cecilia was

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<v Speaker 2>not pleased. LaRue and Marcel are ordered to scrub the

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<v Speaker 2>car clean of blood. Ria Grunivald rushes to Natasha's place

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as she hears the tragic news. She has

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<v Speaker 2>to see for herself if things had actually gone this far.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhea watches the slack jawed as the bodies of Natasha

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<v Speaker 2>and Joy are carried out, both covered in white sheets

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark of night. No one recognizes Rihea, but

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<v Speaker 2>the following day a witness comes forward. I heard screams

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<v Speaker 2>coming from Joy's home, she said. When I looked outside,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a blond woman running from the house to

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<v Speaker 2>her car. That woman was Mikaela in a blonde wig.

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<v Speaker 2>But strangely, the witness tells the police with some certainty

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<v Speaker 2>that who she saw fleeing the murder scene was Rhea.

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<v Speaker 2>As if things weren't bad enough, Rhea's life was about

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<v Speaker 2>to take yet another turn for the worse. She was

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<v Speaker 2>about to become the primary suspect from School of Humans

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<v Speaker 2>and iHeart Podcasts. This is Queen Havoc and her murder cult.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host, Kurt Kupchek episode three, Eyes of a Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>In untangling the web of this case, we discover a

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<v Speaker 2>long list of bad actors, but we also encounter people

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<v Speaker 2>like Rhea, vilified for their good intentions. Among these well

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<v Speaker 2>intentioned individuals is the man we've been calling Luke. His

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<v Speaker 2>involvement with Cecilia Stein would come at a steep cost.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke is something of a vigilante. He met Cecilia and

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<v Speaker 2>Electus Perdaz in twenty twelve as the murders were picking

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<v Speaker 2>up steam. His friend Aria introduced him to the Know

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<v Speaker 2>Your Enemy pamphlet, which piqued his interest.

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<v Speaker 3>The book's name was now your Enemy. So I convinced

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, how do you PreTect yourself if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know are your enemy operates? Makes actually aren't

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<v Speaker 3>the same scenes? So I started reading this boon. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't agree with anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He shared his skepticism with Aria, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I told him, I've got all this questions. She told

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<v Speaker 3>me she'll take me to the person who read this book.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's when I met cecil Lasting for the first

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<v Speaker 3>time and Zach Valentine and Makai La.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke challenged Cecilia's ideas in person and strangely enough, she

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to enjoy it, bantering back and forth with him

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<v Speaker 2>but not providing any real answers. Luke remained unconvinced that

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<v Speaker 2>she was as cunning as she said she was, but

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<v Speaker 2>was intrigued by the group's reverence for her. But then,

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<v Speaker 2>only a couple of weeks after he came into Cecilia's orbit,

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<v Speaker 2>people started dying.

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<v Speaker 3>This One friend found me about a week later and

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<v Speaker 3>she told me and Natasha Burger and friend's been murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>In his gut, he knew they were to blame.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe it. Something that don't make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he decided to act, going.

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<v Speaker 3>To my knees and I prayed and I told her

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<v Speaker 3>Lord he can use me. I will go into Cruge

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<v Speaker 3>if you can just partect me and I'll open up

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<v Speaker 3>this whole hole. And it's next.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke planned to conduct his own investigation. He would infiltrate

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<v Speaker 2>electus perdeis, posing as a devotee. He could get close

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<v Speaker 2>to them and confirm his suspicions. Then, once he had

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<v Speaker 2>hard evidence, he would go to the police. Luke tread

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<v Speaker 2>lightly at first, so that no one would suspect anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He needed to earn Secilia's trust, the rest would follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Not aware of the malicious inner workings of EPD, Luke

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<v Speaker 2>began to spend time with some of the members socially,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Valentine in particular, and up close. He took note

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<v Speaker 2>of how Cecilia played them all.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody was extremely scaped of Cecilia, and that's how she

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<v Speaker 3>got everybody to listen to her and follow the instructions.

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<v Speaker 2>She used fear and of course scripture. The story of

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<v Speaker 2>King David, who was told by God to destroy the Philistines,

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<v Speaker 2>worked especially well on Mirinda.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember she manipulated Miranda out of David. David killed

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<v Speaker 3>all the people, and the women, and the children and

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<v Speaker 3>the dogs. Everything must be killed, and that's how she

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<v Speaker 3>manipulated Miranda to participa the killings.

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia reinterpreted biblical teachings to her likings so that members

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<v Speaker 2>believed that what they were doing was God's will, just

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<v Speaker 2>like so many Zelots throughout history who murdered in the

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<v Speaker 2>name of God. Cecilia would speak on behalf of the Almighty,

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<v Speaker 2>and who were they to argue against such divine authority?

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<v Speaker 2>That made Michaela's unwillingness to kill joy burnside, an affront

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<v Speaker 2>to Cecilia and an act of existential defiance. Zach tried

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<v Speaker 2>to reassure Cecilia that Michaela was loyal and that she

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<v Speaker 2>could still be trusted, but Cecilia was unsparing. She berated

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela for not following through on the kill assigned to her,

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<v Speaker 2>and decided all of them Zach, Mirinda, Marcel, LaRue and

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<v Speaker 2>Michaela should all be better prepared for next time. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>they should practice. Luke wasn't yet deep enough into the

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<v Speaker 2>fold to be included in this macabre exercise. The core members, however,

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<v Speaker 2>arrived at Cecilia's flat one evening to find her in

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<v Speaker 2>the bedroom. Laid out under stackxa newspaper, was a boar's

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<v Speaker 2>head from the local butcher. She handed knives to each

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<v Speaker 2>of her followers and instructed them to have at it,

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<v Speaker 2>a depraved rehearsal for killing a human. She watched for

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<v Speaker 2>a while and then left the room, returning a few

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<v Speaker 2>minutes later with an axe. While their blades were plunged

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<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper into the boar's head, Cecilia fed her

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<v Speaker 2>followers stories of the conniving ways of Rhea and her

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<v Speaker 2>mentor Pastor Reginald Ben Dixon. He was the aggressor, she

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<v Speaker 2>told them. He turned Rhea against them all he let

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<v Speaker 2>OTC to heard praying incorrectly, thereby forcing them to dispose

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<v Speaker 2>of Natasha. And he, according to Cecilia, had plagiarized her

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<v Speaker 2>Know Your Enemy pamphlet and repurposed it for an OTC course. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>Cecilia's devotees, breathless and bloody, surrounded the mangled pig's head,

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<v Speaker 2>ready for their next kill. This time it would be

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<v Speaker 2>Mirinda's turn to prove her loyalty. And this time we'll

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<v Speaker 2>hear about the murder.

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<v Speaker 4>In her own words, no one ever screamed when I

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<v Speaker 4>killed him. They were dated in seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Merenda Stein, guided by her undying loyalty to Cecilia, was

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<v Speaker 2>outraged at Pastor Reginald Ben Dixon's inequities. He had stolen

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<v Speaker 2>both Cecilia's intellectual property and Rhea's admiration. In her book

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<v Speaker 2>The Kruger's Dwarf Cult Killings, journalist Jana Marx details the

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<v Speaker 2>scene where Cecilia called an emergency meeting and informed them, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to take him out. This is war. We

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<v Speaker 2>are living in the end times and redg has turned

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<v Speaker 2>against God. What you're hearing now is a maximum security

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<v Speaker 2>correctional facility south of Johannesburg. It's popularly known as Sun City,

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<v Speaker 2>after a famous holiday resort in South Africa's Northwest province.

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<v Speaker 2>The inmates ironically chose this name, implying that any time

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<v Speaker 2>spent there was the furthest thing from a holiday. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a kin to calling Riker's Island Disney.

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<v Speaker 3>World with you.

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<v Speaker 2>When I entered the prison, I was fristed from head

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<v Speaker 2>to toe. I boarded a rickety old bus that took

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<v Speaker 2>us to the women's prison. Next, we slowed to a

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<v Speaker 2>stop in front of a high razor wire fence that

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded a large brick building. The sun was out, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a bite in the wind. I followed a stream

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<v Speaker 2>of visitors off the bus and through layers of fence.

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<v Speaker 2>We were all frissed again and again. Each time I

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<v Speaker 2>became more nervous. After what felt like an eternity, the

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<v Speaker 2>guards checked me in his curs who would check excitement

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<v Speaker 2>and fear course through me. I was about to come

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<v Speaker 2>face to face with the greatest evil I had ever known,

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<v Speaker 2>Marinda Stein herself. Like with the first murder, the group

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<v Speaker 2>heavily scouted at the location. Pastor Reginald ben Dixon lives

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<v Speaker 2>on a one way street. His house has a long driveway,

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<v Speaker 2>a security gate, and a surrounding cinder block wall. Mikayla

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<v Speaker 2>rents a car, LaRue replaces the license plate with a

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<v Speaker 2>stolen one, and Zach, Merinda, and Marcel pile in and

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<v Speaker 2>had to rege his house. On the drive, fourteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old Marcel becomes suddenly nauseous. She asked them to pull over.

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<v Speaker 2>The murder squad decides that Marcel is too sick and

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<v Speaker 2>they all returned to Kruger's sturt. This was not a

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<v Speaker 2>good look for Marcel or Mikaela, for that matter. When

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel got sick, it was Michaela who tended to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the past few years, Marcella and Michaela had bonded

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<v Speaker 2>while Marinda focused squarely on her duty to Cecilia. Michayla

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<v Speaker 2>became Marcel's sole ally and confidant. Marcel looked up to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Both were relieved that their deadly assignment was aboarded. That night, Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>August ninth, twenty twelve, Reginald ben Dixon receives a call

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<v Speaker 2>from Zach Valentine. Zach uses a fake name and says

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<v Speaker 2>he's seeking a spiritual counselor. He flatters him and says

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<v Speaker 2>Reg comes highly recommended. The two men make an appointment

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<v Speaker 2>to meet the following Monday at a local coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Reg jots it down in his date book. On the

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<v Speaker 2>day of the appointment, the thirteenth of August twenty twelve, Zach, Marian,

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<v Speaker 2>and Marcel make their way to Ben Dixon's home. They

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<v Speaker 2>call and ask for a rain check, assuming he would

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<v Speaker 2>be at home for a while, before making other plans.

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<v Speaker 2>The scouting mission conclude that Ben Dixon's wife would be

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<v Speaker 2>away until later that evening. About that same time, Ria

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<v Speaker 2>Grunivald gets a text on her phone from a number

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't recognize. Have you said your goodbyes to Reg?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you did. Ria immediately forwards the message to

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<v Speaker 2>the police officer she's been in contact with, the same

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<v Speaker 2>cop who was a no show at the coffee shop

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<v Speaker 2>sting operation. Not Surprisingly, he doesn't respond. Ria tries calling,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet again the police aren't there for her when

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<v Speaker 2>she needs them the most. Meanwhile, the novice assassins were

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<v Speaker 2>nearing Regg's house. MICHAELA. Was ordered to stay home for

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<v Speaker 2>this mission. She'd stay by Cecilia's side while the others

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<v Speaker 2>followed orders. Cecilia no longer trusted Mikayla to get the

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<v Speaker 2>job done. Marcel, on the other hand, was not given

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<v Speaker 2>an option. Marinda made sure her daughter was there to

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<v Speaker 2>learn by example. Cecilia ordered Marcel to bring a video

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<v Speaker 2>came to record the killing. She wanted evidence of their devotion,

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<v Speaker 2>and she wanted to see reg Bend Dixon die. Interviewing

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<v Speaker 2>Mirinda for this podcast meant giving her a platform. The

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<v Speaker 2>ethics of that concerned us quite a bit, But after

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<v Speaker 2>months of pouring over the facts of this case, we

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<v Speaker 2>were missing a critical piece. What on earth motivated these

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly normal people to become killers? I believe that talking

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<v Speaker 2>to her might provide more insight into Cecilia's mindset and

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<v Speaker 2>the group dynamics she cultivated. I wanted to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>why Mirinda and the rest of EPD did what they

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<v Speaker 2>did and how they justified it in their own minds.

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<v Speaker 2>In the visiting area, there were about ten other inmates

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<v Speaker 2>facing their loved ones in an echoy and sterile room

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<v Speaker 2>with a folding table that held handmade crafts for sale,

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<v Speaker 2>crocheted holders, and beat a jewelry, all made by inmates.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked past the tables and then heard a voice saying, Curt,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you there. She was the face I had

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<v Speaker 2>seen peering back at me, frozen in mugshots and courtroom photographs.

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<v Speaker 2>She smiled at me and thanked me for coming. We

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<v Speaker 2>sat down on a long, wooden picnic bench in the

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<v Speaker 2>center of the room. I was now a foot away

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<v Speaker 2>face to face with Merinda Steyn. She was as nervous

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<v Speaker 2>as I was, and told me so. Honestly, I felt disarmed,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly by her politeness, her seemingly normal demeanor, but that

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<v Speaker 2>light soon dimmed, clouded by who I knew her to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and that storm only grew as she started telling me

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<v Speaker 2>what happened with Ben Dixon. Now, as you can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>the audio quality of this interview was pretty rough, so

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<v Speaker 2>that an actor to read some of what Marinda shared

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<v Speaker 2>with us so that you can clearly understand her chilling words.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew the interaction would be tense and a bit awkward,

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<v Speaker 2>but what I really didn't expect was how casually Mirinda

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<v Speaker 2>would talk about the act of taking someone's life, and

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<v Speaker 2>so brutally she was proud of what she'd done.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a bad child.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a bad child, did and he looked exactly

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<v Speaker 4>like my father Sam. He was such a trusting idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>The kill team disguised themselves in police uniforms, their weapons

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<v Speaker 2>of choice knives and an axe. Marinda described calling Redge

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<v Speaker 2>from the front security gate using a burner phone. She

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<v Speaker 2>claimed they were detectives from the South African Police Service

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<v Speaker 2>who needed to speak with him about the recent murders

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<v Speaker 2>and a possible connection to his friend Ria Grunewald. Ben Dixon,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, wanted to help with the investigation, so he

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<v Speaker 2>let the killers in.

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<v Speaker 4>He was sort of a bit suspicious, and he was

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a bit suspicious, and then he started talking

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<v Speaker 4>to us, and he opened the gate for us, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're walking out like a long driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>Marinda came up with a ploy to come their way,

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<v Speaker 2>and why.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't we go into speaking?

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<v Speaker 4>Then I said to them, well why don't we go

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<v Speaker 4>and speak inside the house, you know, because now the

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<v Speaker 4>walls are high, but the neighbors would see.

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<v Speaker 2>As the pastor and EPD walked up the front yard

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<v Speaker 2>toward Ben Dixon's home, Marinda and Zach locked eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>So we went just around the bean, and we went

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<v Speaker 4>just around the bend, and he walked in front of us.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Zack didn't even wait for me. He just

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<v Speaker 4>started eating him over the head and he fell there

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<v Speaker 4>in front of us. So we were never even in

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<v Speaker 4>his house.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach got impatient and hit Bendixon over the head with

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the axe. They didn't even make it

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<v Speaker 2>into his home. Then Marinda joined in, stabbing him with

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<v Speaker 2>her fishing knife. Marcel fourteen years old, watches and muted

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<v Speaker 2>horror as this gruesome reality unfolds before her. Sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>in her prison jumpsuit. Marinda twisted this into some distorted

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<v Speaker 2>form of grace. Well, person, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe in killing a person quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe in killing a person quickly. No one ever

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<v Speaker 4>screamed when I killed them. They were dead within seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Christelle Boisen recalling Mirinda's court room testimony.

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<v Speaker 5>She was explaining that between her and Zuk, while they

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<v Speaker 5>were busy with Rex Benedict and stabbing him and slashing him,

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<v Speaker 5>they actually got so excited that Zuck accidentally hit her

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<v Speaker 5>with the ex and she was telling him, hey, just

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<v Speaker 5>you know, stay clear. She was explaining this in.

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<v Speaker 2>Court Even when it was obvious that reg was dead,

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<v Speaker 2>Marinda continued to stab him. Her depravity was not only

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<v Speaker 2>proof of her loyalty to God and to Secilia, but

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<v Speaker 2>the result of some research.

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<v Speaker 5>She says, she one time remember watching a documentary or something,

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<v Speaker 5>and they say that if you want to know if

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<v Speaker 5>someone is dead, you must look at this space on

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<v Speaker 5>the throat, and if the space stops throbbing, then you

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<v Speaker 5>know that the heart stopped pumping. And she was stabbing

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<v Speaker 5>rex Bena Dixon and waiting for this not to throb anymore,

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<v Speaker 5>and then she would know that he's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>With their work done, they leave Regg's lifeless body on

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<v Speaker 2>the grass in the front yard, locking the security gate

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<v Speaker 2>on their way out. When they pull up at Casana Flats,

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<v Speaker 2>Mikaela is outside sitting in her car. Zach, still hyped

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<v Speaker 2>on adrenaline from his second murder, boast to his wife

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<v Speaker 2>about what they'd done. Marenda and Marcel follow behind, corroborating

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<v Speaker 2>Zack's account of their kill like a hunting party celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>their conquest. Mikayla, numb with shock and careful not to

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<v Speaker 2>show any indication of fear or disapproval, forced a crooked

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<v Speaker 2>smile inside, though she trembled terrified at what her husband

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<v Speaker 2>had become a monster of his own making. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'll be helpful to sort out all the

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<v Speaker 2>police and detectives involved in the investigation of these murders.

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<v Speaker 2>It can get confusing since the police treated the first

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<v Speaker 2>couple of crimes as unrelated the car and church bombings,

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<v Speaker 2>Reggi's murder and the killing of Natasha and Joy, so

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<v Speaker 2>what became known as the Kruger's Dorf killings were investigated

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<v Speaker 2>in stages. It's hard to pinpoint the exact chain of

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<v Speaker 2>events and police involvement at each stage. Many statements from

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<v Speaker 2>the cops make it sound as if they were there

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time, even if they were not. Everyone we

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to seems to have an opinion about how it

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<v Speaker 2>all went down. So here we go. From what we

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<v Speaker 2>can gather. Captain Venvick was aware of the cases surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>the car and church bombings, and may have even been

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<v Speaker 2>briefed on them, But when we spoke to him, Benvick

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<v Speaker 2>told us that he wasn't officially assigned as a lead

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<v Speaker 2>investigator until after Pastor Reginald ben Dixon turned up dead.

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<v Speaker 6>So it happened Onion of August that I was called

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<v Speaker 6>to ic a person was deceased, and that is actually

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<v Speaker 6>I became involved in this guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's his associate, Colonel Henny Diager, a career cop

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<v Speaker 2>with a brooding, tony soprano type presence. Colonel Diyager had

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<v Speaker 2>been part of the investigation team since the car bombing incidents, assisting.

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<v Speaker 2>We think it's not totally clear when exactly Diyager became

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<v Speaker 2>part of this investigation, but he's a major player and

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<v Speaker 2>would soon become a pebble in the shoe of the

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<v Speaker 2>detectives seeking truth and justice. Many of the facts surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>both the Yager and Vinvick's involvement in the Cecilia Stein

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<v Speaker 2>case remain opaque. Then there's Detective Susette Knotse, graceful and bold,

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<v Speaker 2>she is called in a bit later, followed by the

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<v Speaker 2>brazen Detective Ben Boisen and a team of seasoned investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Detective Susette Knotse and Ben Boysen each had to

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<v Speaker 2>re examine a string of suspicious events and reconsider the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence from every angle, essentially rebuild the case and track

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<v Speaker 2>where and how it all began. The other two law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement officials are Colonel Kobas Yonker, Suzette's mentor, who started

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<v Speaker 2>the Occult Related Crimes unit, and Colonel Christelle Boisen, a

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<v Speaker 2>well respected officer in the South South African Police Service.

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<v Speaker 2>She remains the acting Operational overhead Commander for the West

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<v Speaker 2>Rand District. She's also married to Ben and they often

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<v Speaker 2>help each other out with cases. So here we are

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<v Speaker 2>August thirteenth, twenty twelve. Pastor Reginald ben Dixon's body lies

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<v Speaker 2>on the grass. It's a horrifying scene. Detective Sussette Canotze

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<v Speaker 2>recalls the crime scene photos.

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<v Speaker 1>He was hacked from behind. When he turned around, he

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<v Speaker 1>was hacked from the front.

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<v Speaker 2>The pastor had axe wounds to the back of his

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<v Speaker 2>head and had been stabbed more than ten times on

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<v Speaker 2>his chest and Torso here's Captain Johann Benvick.

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<v Speaker 6>On the scene. It was one of the most gruesome

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<v Speaker 6>motives which I've seen in the even thirty four years

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<v Speaker 6>in this Athrican Police Service.

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<v Speaker 2>Standing there in Ben Dixon's front yard, Captain van Vick

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<v Speaker 2>suppose met Colonel Di Yager for the first time.

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<v Speaker 6>There was another policeman that arrived on the scene of

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<v Speaker 6>Colonel Dia. He said that he was from the occult

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<v Speaker 6>unit of the reservice. I've never met him before. He

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<v Speaker 6>then informed me that the murder had some sort of

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<v Speaker 6>occult connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is where the window of truth begins to blur.

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<v Speaker 2>Though according to Yana Marx, who was present at all

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<v Speaker 2>of the court proceedings, both the Yager and Van Vick

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<v Speaker 2>had been at least adjacent to the carbomb investigations. Colonel

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<v Speaker 2>di Yager may have even been assisting on them, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's very likely they would have met before. The other

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<v Speaker 2>strange thing is that Colonel di Yager was brought on

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<v Speaker 2>as a consultant to assess the potential for ritual murder

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of Natasha Berger and Joy Burnside, even

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<v Speaker 2>though their murders were technically outside of his jurisdiction. He

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<v Speaker 2>was reportedly an expert on the occult. The Yager has

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<v Speaker 2>bravado a man's any room he finds himself in any

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene too. His arrival on the scene of Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Dixon's murder was kind of like what we've seen in

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<v Speaker 2>movies when the FBI shows up and takes over, but

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa, the case remains in the hands of

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<v Speaker 2>the lead investigating officer, which is now then Vick. The

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<v Speaker 2>Yager was confident that Ben Dixon's murder was a ritualistic slaying,

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<v Speaker 2>the work of a Satanic cult, and likely related to

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<v Speaker 2>the previous killing of Joy and Natasha detectives, who said

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<v Speaker 2>Canotse and Ben Boyson, on the other hand, both believe

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<v Speaker 2>that an under resourced police department coupled with the nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>fear of the occult often resulted in a rush to judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>and that dynamic resulted in poor police work, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>a crime aligned so neatly with the biases born of

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<v Speaker 2>their imagined fears.

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<v Speaker 1>The two invesiguiding officers working on the chist concentrated more

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<v Speaker 1>on the Syitanism side, and they totally lost focus on

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<v Speaker 1>the actual murders that needs to be investigated, which actually, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was part of the story, but that wasn't why

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<v Speaker 1>the murders took place.

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<v Speaker 2>The yager argued that there should have been more blood

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<v Speaker 2>on the scene, given the brutality of Ben Dixon's wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>He was saying, no, there was a lot of blood,

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<v Speaker 1>and the blood just went Missy, where's all the blood?

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<v Speaker 2>The Yager told his team that whoever committed this murder

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<v Speaker 2>must have consumed the blood, a clear mark of ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>So then he said, no, no, no, no, somebody must

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<v Speaker 1>have drank it.

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<v Speaker 2>The police worked earnestly with the yager's theory that this

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<v Speaker 2>was the grizzly act of satan worshiping blood drinkers. However,

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Susette thought it was obvious where the blood had gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that person is laying on the grass. So it

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<v Speaker 1>went into the grass and sorted by the gross us

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<v Speaker 1>that is where it went. Nobody drank it.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, all the satanism stuff was nothing more

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<v Speaker 2>than a powerful distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to follow facts.

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<v Speaker 7>The facts was right in front of them, but their

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<v Speaker 7>attention was drawn to sensation, dragging their attention in the

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<v Speaker 7>sensational route, and you can't investigate like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Poison, also looking at this retroactively, agrees that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's why the twenty twelve meters were never solved.

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<v Speaker 5>They were investigating satanism.

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<v Speaker 2>Satanism is not a crime. You investigate the crime. So

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<v Speaker 2>clearly the police started off on the wrong track. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>they began to suspect that it was actually Ria who

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<v Speaker 2>is behind it all.

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<v Speaker 6>I regarded Riochronvode is also a person that just was

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<v Speaker 6>legitimate and just wanted to help the people and assist

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<v Speaker 6>the people. But because all of the these things that

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<v Speaker 6>escalated at the latest stage, I also became suspicious of According.

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<v Speaker 2>To Reginald Ben Dixon's phone records, Rhea had an appointment

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<v Speaker 2>with him on the day he was murdered. When the

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<v Speaker 2>police confronted her about this, she said it must be

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<v Speaker 2>the Satanists impersonating her, and that's when she decided to

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<v Speaker 2>find a lawyer. Because of this scheduled meeting and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she was connected to both Reginald Ben Dixon

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<v Speaker 2>and Natasha Berger, Rhea now officially became the primary suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>They reached out to Ria's old mentor fhavinga for comment

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<v Speaker 2>havinga mentions a Colonel X here he means colonel the yager.

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<v Speaker 8>I got a colonel from the SIPs contacting me who said, listen,

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<v Speaker 8>I need to speak to you. There's been murders. It's

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<v Speaker 8>occult related. It's in Krugerdosdorp area, connected to overcomers in

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<v Speaker 8>christ And I say, whoao overcomers in Christ? Yes, Krnival

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<v Speaker 8>And you know it was that moment. It was that shock,

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<v Speaker 8>it was that disbelief.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this gon't be when we spoke to him, there

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<v Speaker 2>was still an open investigation into police misconduct, thus our

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<v Speaker 2>use of Colonel X. More on that post mortem investigation

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<v Speaker 2>in a later episode. At this moment in time, havinga

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<v Speaker 2>knew right away that the police must be barking up

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong tree. They were ignoring the facts that were

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<v Speaker 2>staring them in the face, preferring to focus on the

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<v Speaker 2>illusions from a now antiquated satanic panic. I say to.

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<v Speaker 8>Colonel x'sit, Colonel X, your suspect is Cecilia Stein. Please

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<v Speaker 8>follow her, kick her. That's your man suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>But the yager wasn't convinced of Rhea's innocence until it

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<v Speaker 2>became clear as day. Rhea's new lawyer told her to

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<v Speaker 2>document her whereabouts every day so that moving forward, she

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<v Speaker 2>could always prove her innocence. But right after Ben Dixon's murder,

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<v Speaker 2>the police confiscated Rhea's cell phones, hard drives, and laptop,

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<v Speaker 2>disconnecting Riha from the world.

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<v Speaker 6>A big breakthrough came when on the morning of fest

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<v Speaker 6>at Ben Dixon's funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>Ria woke up on the morning at pastor Reginald Ben

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<v Speaker 2>Dixon's funeral. She stepped out onto her porch and felt

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<v Speaker 2>the sun on her face. She looked down and found

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<v Speaker 2>a parcel waiting at her feet.

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<v Speaker 6>Ria found me and she said that she found a

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<v Speaker 6>beckage in front of a door. Beckage was repped. It

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<v Speaker 6>was some sort of meat.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhonnfolded the damn newspaper. Inside was a large chunk of

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<v Speaker 2>bloody meat.

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<v Speaker 6>Pinned to it was another note leta written in blockwoods,

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<v Speaker 6>look what the doggies lift you've of Richel something to

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<v Speaker 6>that effect.

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<v Speaker 2>The note read, look what the dogs have left you

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<v Speaker 2>of your precious past her. The detectives now had to

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<v Speaker 2>let go of their pet theories that either Satanists or

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<v Speaker 2>Rhea were to blame for the murders. Now they were

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<v Speaker 2>forced to consider the case with fresh eyes. On top

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<v Speaker 2>of that, the haphazard criminals from EPD had fumbled again.

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<v Speaker 6>Fingerprints was found on the letta that repped this piece

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<v Speaker 6>of meats.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, police found fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 6>I took the fingerprints, and the fingerprints indeed belonged to

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<v Speaker 6>Moderndas think.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Vic took the opportunity to bring in everyone he

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<v Speaker 2>could from EPD. The police had all of them in custody,

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<v Speaker 2>even Secilia. But despite all the evidence and the possible

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<v Speaker 2>motives pointing to Mirinda and Cecilia as the culprits, both

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<v Speaker 2>were released from police custody. In fact, all the members

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<v Speaker 2>of EPD were let off the hook. Before we go,

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<v Speaker 2>there is one other police officer you should know about.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't work on this case, at least not in

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<v Speaker 2>the way the others did. But he is the reason

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Dixon's attackers wore police uniforms, the reason Cecilia was

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<v Speaker 2>never worried about them getting caught.

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<v Speaker 5>She was extremely confident that nothing will happen to them.

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<v Speaker 1>She was constantly telling them, don't worry. We know the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>They will do nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>This other officer, his name was drees Stein and he

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<v Speaker 2>was Cecilia's husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Even just see us responsor to the police, So do

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<v Speaker 3>you trust?

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of Queen Havoc.

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<v Speaker 1>She came to realize God will never ask you to

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<v Speaker 1>murder anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>So that there was styles where they used to study.

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<v Speaker 3>She likes to provoke. Then again said when.

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<v Speaker 1>She said she's going to the police thing the publix,

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<v Speaker 1>she ended.

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<v Speaker 6>Up date the batting, the read board, the wall and

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<v Speaker 6>the roof was full of blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Havoc in Her Murder Cult is a production of

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<v Speaker 2>Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and

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<v Speaker 2>created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takini,

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Chriscau and Kurt Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau.

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<v Speaker 2>Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock.

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<v Speaker 2>Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, editing,

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<v Speaker 2>sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are

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<v Speaker 2>DaShan Moodley and Jermaine Kriher. Additional producing by Ben Melman,

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<v Speaker 2>fact checking by Dennis Webster. Recording engineers are Graham Gibson,

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<v Speaker 2>Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. Brind Stein was read by

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<v Speaker 2>Angelique Pretorius. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, L. C. Crowley,

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Barr, Jennifer t Keeney and Kurt Kubachak. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank all of those who so generously welcomed us

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly grateful

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<v Speaker 2>to you all We also want to acknowledge how traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>these events are for the victims and their families. Please

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<v Speaker 2>respect their privacy. If you or someone you know has

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<v Speaker 2>been affected by cult behaviors, there are resources available, including

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<v Speaker 2>Voices for Dignity at Christine Murray dot com.